Criteria for Messiah - Moshiach, Chabad Rebbe Moshiach

[Jacob2Israel]

what?  i wanted to hear the problem! ay ya yai! nu shto eto za shootki? nadayeli!

[BetGimel]

@Jacob2Israel The video ended at that point because the one shooting the film thought that she had to constantly hold her finger on the button of the digital camera (rather than pressing it once and it just keeps recording). And her finger got tired over and over again. So what the man said that there was a problem about was that on the back of the card that I passed to everyone it listed the 7 Laws of Noah and at the bottom it said "We can do it!" - a take from US Pres. Obama. That confused him

[Jacob2Israel]

@BetGimel Too bad, I was hoping for a juicy debate on this topic. ;-)

[BetGimel]

@Jacob2Israel go ahead

[Jacob2Israel]

@BetGimel where is ephraim?

[andrinjo]

why did rambam wrote this whole concept down after christ ? why was the talmud after christ created ? who created the christian and the hebrew calender and when were they created ? how were they created ?

[BetGimel]

@andrinjo Because the Rambam lived in the years 1135-1204. The Talmud is a collection of what sages taught and said. These lessons were learned by word of mouth from teacher to student over thousands of years. When the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were exiled from our land to all parts of the world, the leaders of the Jewish people realized a big problem: that the sayings and lessons could be forgotten. So, they started to write them down to keep them.

[BetGimel]

@andrinjo The Christian calendar was introduced as I find here in wikipedia. Also, please type "Rambam" into your search engine and click the Chabad.org website. The Hebrew calendar also has a history. The Sages have instituted how to calculate the Hebrew dates, depending on the lunar cycle, as well as the solar cycle. I suggest that you use wikipedia to continue to seek your knowledge. Also askmoses.com and asknoah.com.

[spamllpitdept]

Is there the rest of this video where the guy says he thinks there is a problem and the answer to his question?

[BetGimel]

@spamllpitdept unfortunately, the one who was operating the camera didn't know how to use the camera properly, and thought that they needed to keeping holding the button down while recording. Therefore, the video got all cut up into small bits. The man's words were along the lines of what he read on the card that I gave him. There appears the words: "We can do it!" He questioned what that had to do with anything.

[spamllpitdept]

Are these the guys who worship "Schneerson"?

[BetGimel]

@spamllpitdept do you know of anyone who worships the Rebbe? I would like to know if you know of anyone like that?

[nurhijrah1]

alla people must know that messiach will bring peace and the word that represent thats all is love...just it!

[50crol]

Morally, yes, but the evidence is only in TANACH, out of TANACH is cheap philosophy. Or believe in ELOHIM or not. Men could be speaking around but Proverbs 14:12 said:There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

[iorixs]

king david never read the talmud. is the talmud the "oral" law?

[BetGimel]

@iorixs That's right, the Talmud came many centuries after King David. The Talmud is the Rabbis' discussions on various happenings in history and the results on how the mitzvot are properly observed in certain situations. For example, we have to keep the Sabbath holy and not profane it. Well, the question comes about: what if a woman is pregnant and giving birth? are we allowed bend or break the rules for her and her baby's sake?? The answer will be yes in certain situations.

[nykmf2]

@iorixs The Oral Law includes the Mishna/Gemara, that stuff, in the Torah it says that Moses passed down the oral law, orally, to Joshua as well as the elders (wise leaders in the tribes), and so it was passed down from generation to generation (hence David, as a leader, would have likely be learned in it), until the rabbi's started compiling the oral law in the Mishna.

[50crol]

This evidence must be in TANACH, if not, all is false.

[BetGimel]

@50crol It is unclear what you mean.

[BetGimel]

@50crol Not everything that ever happened or ever was/is true was written in the TANAK, nor could everything be written there. When we have a son hearing from a father who heard from his father ...... this is called the oral Torah, and is equally as valuable.

[50crol]

When rebbe will go to resuscitate? and where?

[BetGimel]

@YesImOneOFMany A Jew is one who is born of a Jewish mother, or one who has converted according to Jewish law that existed throughout Jewish history. No one else is a Jew.

[YesImOneOFMany]

@BetGimel No. A Jew is someone from one of the tribes (Judah) of Israel. You cannot prove you are from Judah. Not even by DNA test. You don´t even speak Hebrew, you speak Yidish. And also known as Jews where those from Judea in the pass. Not because one converts to judaism (religion) becomes a real Jew. Most of you became "jews". Some even became jews in the pass because they where afraid of those from Judah. So you cannot say you are from Judah nor Israel (tribes).

[YesImOneOFMany]

@YesImOneOFMany Jesus was a real Jew because He was from the line of Judah and also from Judea, that is not your case. 

[BetGimel]

@YesImOneOFMany Yoshke had a Hebrew name. It was not J____. You do not even know if I came from Yehudah, or if I came from Judea. You are blocked for being a retard.

[BetGimel]

@YesImOneOFMany Well, I don't know who is feeding you this information. You make declarative statements about who I am, what language I speak, where I come from, where I live, etc, and you don't even know anything at all about me. Nor do you know what you are talking about. Why do you hate Jews so much?

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn If you will go to your local Chabad House and ask there the Rabbi will be able to show you from all the Torah sources

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn No actually the Rebbe made explicit statements to this effect. You can read them yourself in any Chabad House in the books called Dvar Malchut - Words of the King. The sicha is called Beis Rabbeinu Shebebavel.

[BetGimel]

@YesImOneOFMany First of all you don't seem to know much of anything at all. Second, if I were to tell you the truth, you would obviously not receive it.

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn The Temple. The Beit HaMikdash is the 770 - Beit Moshiach.

[BetGimel]

@YesImOneOFMany Well, it has to do with a lot of relish and mustard on your hotdog. Cave men from Australia also have the same phobia. We here in the back know how to enjoy a real party. I have no idea where I put my car. What's more is that there is no end of the line. But if you were me and I were you, I would pull my head out of my ass. But that's a whole other story. When the wind blows and the kids are playing in the park who gets the last laugh? I would not want to be around when that goes

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn Maybe if you clear your mind from the drugs you will be able to think more clearly without the biases. Weed is the biggest temptation to get men NOT TO STUDY AND USE THEIR HEADS PROPERLY.

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn ust because you do not see the Temple does not mean that the Rebbe is not Moshiach. The Rebbe said that when the RAMBAM states that "He [MOSHIACH] must build the Temple in "bimkomo" in its place can also be interpreted in "his" place. Tthe Rebbe is saying that when he built the 770 [he did renovations and add-ons to an existing building], and he laid the cornerstone to the building, he likens the work to building the residence of Shechina that was going out from his mouth by teaching Tora

[BetGimel]

@Bubi25 Hi Bubi. We know that yoshkele is not and cannot be Messiah because instead of fulfilling the directive of the RAMBAM of teaching Torah and Mitzvot and leading all Jews to stronger Torah observance, he did precisely the opposite. L'havdil, the Rebbe MH"M leads people back to the Torah and Mitzvot. and accomplishes this point of the RAMBAM.

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn Who told you that? If you look at what you are quoting, you should realize that the RAMBAM writes not if he DIES, but if he is KILLED. The difference is that even though the Rebbe passed into "the world of EMET" he was not killed and therefore not exempted, or ineligible, to be Moshiach.

[BetGimel]

@Mrgyn So if my rabbis and Mashpiiam believe in it and teach me that it's true and they have met the Rebbe personally, and learned his lessons, do you think that the Rebbe would mislead them? Do you think that the Rebbe would mislead us all? Don't you think that the Rebbe would make his Roshei Yeshiva to be wiser and have actually truth to tell, or would he lead others to be foolish, ignorant and stupid and blind and wrong? The Rebbe is true and his chassidim are true, and we must understand it.

[BetGimel]

The back and forth commentary has been scrambled and it does not flow chronologically.

[BetGimel]

I made a mistake by stating that the Leader our generation was the RAMBAM. The RAMBAM was the leader of HIS generation (1135-1294 CE). The actual leader of our generation is the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

[straygypsy]

I understand your confusion.

But I was once part of those "bunch of goyim".

Today I am a full fledged Noahide that keeps and prays the 7 laws every day (I was Biet Din'd in May) and have fully rejected the NT and understand the Torah was NEVER supposed to be added on to.

Please don't stop telling the world about the 7 laws and the truth concerning the real Messiah!!

[BetGimel]

Spread and strengthen the true religion and follow the directives of Chabad. As to your 2nd. q. this is not some new gospel (Ch V'Sh.). Messiah is a Jewish concept, and 1 of RAMBAM's 13 principles of faith. The awareness of Messiah has been around since before Ya'acov Avinu tried to speak about him to his 12 sons, but the Shechinah prevented him from telling about it. Ask your rabbi, if you have one.

[zafirjoez18]

but what does that have to do with a shiur in rambam hilchos melachim to a bunch of goyim,thats not the derech habesht

[BetGimel]

I was asked directly about Moshiach after I had presented the 7 Laws of Noah. So I told them these criteria of RaMBAM to show them that Yoshke could not be the one.

[zafirjoez18]

so why post it on you tube there is no mitzvah to teach about moshiach to the goyim. Even the 7 laws of noach is not so simple.Many meforshim disagree with yuor rebbe on that.

I think there is a different agenda here which gotta do with gospel

[zafirjoez18]

I gather you are what they call a meshichist with that carnival yellow banner with the crown?

ignoring the problems with your twisted beliefs in the iker of moshiach.I ask you to please answer me honostly, Who was greater the rebbe or Moshe Rabbeinu?

(and dont give me the ispashtusa demoshe thing)

[BetGimel]

@zafirjoez18 I don't know what is ispasht.....

But the Rebb himself said that each generation has a Moshe Rabbeinu- the head of the Jewish people. In our generation it is the Rebbe.

[zafirjoez18]

you dont know what is ispastusa you probably dont even know what bracha you make on a radish.and your out there teaching 7 mitzvot to the goyim

[zafirjoez18]

you still didnt answer my question.I"m not asking if he was the leader of our generation(which I disagree).If tommorow would be tchiyas hameisim,

Moshe rabbeinu and the rebbe are with us who is considered greater

[BetGimel]

@zafirjoez18 Do I have to care if anyone disagrees with the Rebbe?

[zafirjoez18]

The ba"ch isnt just anyone

[BetGimel]

Your questions are better directed to a Rosh Yeshiva, say Ramat Aviv, or Tsfat. I suggest Rabbi Yossi Ginsburgh, or Rabbi Notik in Torat Emet Jerusalem. Just because I don't have all the answers doesn't mean that you have the right to embarrass or insult me. You're showing what poor character you have. And I know what brocha to make on radishes. It's hamotzei lechem min haaretz.. Any further insults and you will be blocked.

[gwolf77]

I am not jewish but, seems as though you are just looking for trouble and will always find a problem.

[BetGimel]

@zafirjoez18 In essence the idea of the gospel was to save people from eternal damnation. But that's a Christian idea to burn in hell, etc. Over here, whenever someone does an act contrary to G-d's holy Torah, there is a penalty or lack of reward. The idea of bringing people back to Torah and miztvah performance is a type of redemption. A personal salvation from going astray from G-d and our mitzvot. What would I rather do, sin or a righteous mitzvah? Of course a mitzvah. This is the Rebbe's

[BetGimel]

@zafirjoez18 The derech haBESHT is to spread and strengthen Torah and mitzvot. This is also the Rebbe's purpose.

[tkgweon]

Could you please answer my respectful question?

Maimonides teaches us:

"Mashiach will COMPLETE HIS JOB and then die like everyone else" (Commentary to the Mishnah, Sanhedrin 10:1; cf. Sanhedrin 99a.)

Thus, regarding the possibility of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (ZT"L) being Mashiach, there are two options, either:

1) The Rambam's Teachings are wrong (G-D forbid), OR

2) Those that believe the Lubavitcher Rebbe (ZT"L) is Mashiach, are wrong

So, what is it?

[BetGimel]

The job of Moshiach is not yet finished. And both opinions are true. But I don't know that it says that Moshiach must die like everyone else.

The train from Flatbush is going to Manhattan. The train is somewhere in the middle of its journey.