GOD IS BEOND YOUR MINE AND EVERY BODYS COMPRHEN THERE IS MORE PROOF OF A CREATOR THAN THERE IS OF YOUR BANG. I DONT HATE YOU LIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DO. WHICH I DO THINK YOU PEOPLE CALL YOUR OWEN SHOW AND TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE LOOK STUPID FOR THERE BELIVES THERE ARE TO MANY PERFECT THINGS ON THIS EARTH FOR IT TO BE AN ACDENT,LOOK AT THE EYE TO OF THM PERFCTLY PERPORSIONED OR HOW BOUT OUR DIEGESTIVE SYSTEM OR HOW THE SUN IS JUST THE RIGHT DISTENCE TO ME IT IS A NO BRAINER IF YOU HAVE ONE THAT IS
@jwhamilton79 ABLE TO THINK FOR YOUR SELF INSTED OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU CUZ THAT IS WHY YOU FEEL THIS WAY IS IT NOT I MEAN YOU WASNT BORN THAT WAY SOME ONE TOLD YOU THIS CRAP,LOOK AT YOUR HANDS THAT IS A NOTHER GOOD ONE THERE THE SAME AND YOU HAVE TO OF THEM ALL THIS BY RANDOME CHANCE,COME ON MAN THINK ABOUT IT
Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
I suspect UR problem is because our Creator God must be revealed & cannot be "proven" to someone who seeks a narrow, modernist, skeptical, materialist proof (because this Creator is, by definition, Transcendent to His creation(not a finite entity in His own creation). According to what we believe about the LORD, He will NEVER make Himself known to anyone who is arrogant, proud & full of their own self-centered conceit. Have you read "Mere Christianity" ? God respects the free will
Guys like that make me cringe at the thought that my birth certificate still shows I'm a christian. A few more callers like that and I'm gonna correct that.
Christians are the ones who will go to hell because of the collective atrocities done by Christians to mankind throughout history. There is real hell, not he Biblical one, waiting for Christians. Moses who wrote those barbaric laws are now burning in hell.
If you have free will then maybe those that do good will go to heaven regardless of if they lick gods arsehole(theists )through worship.Meaning atheist views are completely right in everyway..since god didnt put anything in place to force us to follow his plan becuase he believes in freee fucking will... that holy books are lie since they stop this freedom of choice GOD himself put in us supposedly and try to blame another(devil) for the bad deeds they commit running away from responsability.
@AlexStavrinides Yes, all three of them are examples of threats, according to the dictionary "An expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage." Yes, an empty threat, comical even, but still a threat.
This guy isn't just stupid, his working vocabulary is so small that there's no possible way to communicate with him because he doesn't know the meaning of enough of the words to form an idea of what they are saying to him.
I often get into circular discussions with people. Make a point of saying that simple because we don't yet understand what happened before the universe began; does not necessarily mean that a deity did it. And then they say "yes but you don't know how it got there, so god did it." or something like that. How are you to get the discussion moving forward? I hate that...
I love how Jeff gets pissed off at this guy. He was seriously pissing me off too! D:< Quite frankly I dont think I couldve remained as composed as the first guy was.
@PuertoRicanTakeOva Science does not even rely completely on the observations of science. Case in point, recently the scientists at CERN believed they made a neutrino break the speed of light and nullify a long standing theory, then another lab proved them wrong a couple days later. Science is pretty much about learning and telling about it while others try to prove it wrong until all that remains is what is probably right (theory) or what cannot in any way be untrue (laws and postulates).
I believe our finite minds are NOT able to comprehend that a high power can always have been in existence logically, which limits our logic. The thing w/ atheism is that they are trapped believing SOMETHING MUST come from SOMETHING without taking into consideration that perhaps our finite human minds aren't made to comprehend beyond that. If we understand that our FINITE minds are limited than we accept that it is possible for something to always have existed without coming from something else.
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...I can *completely* understand their frustration dealing with a caller like that, but wowwww the second host was obnoxious. In dealing with the irrational it's hardly to the point to get in a yelling/interrupting/"HOW DARE YOU" match. This was posted 3 years ago, so I can only hope his style has toned down a bit. sighs, etc
Atheism is flat out wrong, how in the world did a little ball of matter create the perfect spheroid of life called earth? How come the outer view of our galaxy is shaped as a cross? How is the main protein that holds our whole body together shaped as a cross? And you tell me how in the world apes just decided to evolve into humans when there are still apes living in our world.
So atheism is wrong because you don't have answers to a bunch of questions? Why are there apes still living when humans exist? Humans are apes by definition of being human. That's like asking why there are still Europeans when the world has Americans. You're either a troll or extremely uneducated. ^_^
eternal burning in Hell is not biblical. more and more Christians understand this is biblical error that came from mid evil days ,catholic church have used to scare people into Christianity. this error is seen now by many Christians.good because now the Atheist cant use it anymore as a argument that God is evil...one day this evil doctrine is eradicated from Christianity.any want proof of my claim watch this video.Lecture - Edward Fudge - The Fire That Consumes, 3rd edition
The scientific illiteracy of creationists can be so PAINFUL at times. "Atom or nucleus or somethin' up in the outer-space region that exploded"? Geez, did this caller even complete middle school?
@GundamLeviathan Not every single Christian is like the one in the video. You're just making a generalization since you can't accept that there is a possility that God, or a Creator, exists. Even if His existence cannot be proven, it cannot be disproved also. Also, I can answer the question that the Christian wouldn't/couldn't answer. Everything had and has a cause except for the source of all causes, whether it is God or something else. Christians simply believe it was/is God.
@nar3sas There is no "source of all causes." That is the point. Those who believe in a supernatural creator believe that there is a higher being that has no origin or creator itself. Science and the natural world don't operate like that. Everything has causes and is affected by its environment. So, what you choose to believe as being the invisible, unprovable cause of causes is something that ONLY exists as a belief- one that is contradictory to what we know actually know about the natural world
@bleeah Yes, there IS a source of all causes. That's the only possible way of thinking about tthe beginning of anything. Christians believe it was a supernatural creator they call God. Science and the natural world operate on the basis of what the source started. The source itself of course had no cause as it is the source. Everything after the source had causes and have been affected by their environment. It is not a belief, but a fact. What we know about the natural world is limted.
@nar3sas I don't know what you're talking about here. "Science and the natural world operate on the basis of what the source started. The source itself of course had no cause as it is the source." What are you talking about?
@IcarusTouma It doesn't seem like you've met enough Christians to say something like that. You can't possibly know what set of beliefs each person you meet or have met has or had, so even atheists can sound retarded, and I have met A LOT of retarded atheists on the Internet. The Christian in this video just happened to be among those you consider retarded. There are retarded as well as intelligent people in each religon that exists, so it's best to just leave it at that.
@nar3sas How can you say a religious person is intelligent if they believe in something fictional? And not only do they believe that, they assert it without any scientific evidence...
@IcarusTouma When I say that someone's intelligent, I don't base it on their religion. You could be among the most intelligent people on the planet and still be part of a certain religion. Also, it cannot be proven that Christians believe in something fictional. Would it be ridiculous to say that there was a Creator, one who Christians call God? Would it be ridiculous to say that there is life after death and that you go to a certain place in that afterlife based on how good you were on Earth?
@IcarusTouma You could still believe in those and be a very intelligent person. I happen to be a Christian, and I am an intelligent person. I believe that God exists and that there is an afterlife with a place for good people and another for bad people. Also, it's possible that there are different levels in each of these places based on HOW good you were or HOW bad you were. Anyways, I believe there is support for Christianity. You have NDE's, astral projection, and proof for Biblical events.
@nar3sas Proof of biblical events? like the universe being created in 6 days? How can you prove that those astral projections and NDE's are reliable and accurate? The human brain can easily deceive us. How do you know or what makes you believe this "god" is real? and how do you know he's the Christan god -if he exists? All of you religious people rely solely on your beliefs and not on concrete evidence...
@IcarusTouma Yes, there has been proof for mane of the events in the Bible, which you can look up. The universe was not created in 6 days obviously. That was symbolism in which each day respresented a certain number of years. Unfortunately, astral projection can't be proven to someone unless that person knows an astral projector.
@nar3sas Certain cities might be mentioned in the bible and a guy named Jesus might have existed but you don't know if he was the son of a creator. Please what events have been proven in the bible? and what scientific experiments have been done to confirm those claims?
@IcarusTouma You're right about us not knowing if there really was the son of a Creator who was sent to Earth, but I'm sure there is at least a Creator/God. Here is one video which talks about the Bible /watch?v=aCeSJw3Qzls, and it's 58 minutes long. Here is another one /watch?v=O6A11fqBFrU, which is 1 hour and 20 minutes long. Not every event has been proven, but that's the same with a lot of other events in history. We just have to try our best to make connections using what we find.
@IcarusTouma Well, disregard that if it makes you feel better about watching the video. I believe the comments were disabled because there are always going to be disrespectful and ridiculous people as long as we have as many people as there are on our planet. It's likely that a lot of people didn't watch the video completely before judging it. Also, that wasn't the only video I gave you.
@nar3sas How do I know the video you sent me wasn't made by a biased religious person? How do I know the "scientific" evidence in certain video is reliable? The description itself says that evolution has been proven wrong LOL Really? I bet the person who made the video doesn't even know how evolution works...
@IcarusTouma I doubt that he was biased, and you can't tell completely before watching the whole video. Unfortunately, it's a long video, but that's the only way to tell. How do you know the scientific evidence talked about in certain books is real? It's the same thing. The events discussed must have been proven. I don't know about evolution being proved wrong, but it would be best to watch the video to see if that was a ridiculous claim or not.
@IcarusTouma That's not the same thing. We know for a fact that the Sun is not made of fire and that the Earth orbits it. The video talks about something which is debatable.
@IcarusTouma Maybe he doesn't know what evolution is. It's obvious that atheism is not a religion since it is a lack of that. Please watch the second video I gave you (the 1 hour and 20 minute-long one).
@IcarusTouma Just go the second video. If you see a ridiculous description, then tell me you can't watch it. The like/dislike ratio should be satisfying, so try watching it.
@nar3sas Then how do you know that is Noah's Ark? Do you know there is no GEOLOGICAL evidence that a great flood occurred right? You also believe in talking snakes?
@IcarusTouma Are you talking about the second video? What I know is that there is support that a worldwide flood occurred all that time ago and that the location of where Noah's Ark would have been after the flood was found. I don't know about talking snakes. It's possible that it may have happened back during the first days of the existence of humans, but we can't tell now. For now, we can't tell, but it could have been symbolism.
@nar3sas Really? How do you know that is Noah's Ark? How do you know that Noah was able to gather every single land animal and put them on a boat? How was he able to travel the world to get those animals? How was their diets preserved? What did Noah do so the muscles of thousands of animals were kept from withering away due to the lack of exercise during several days?
@IcarusTouma It's possible that it is Noah's Ark, and maybe not. Also, he gathered pairs of animals of different species. I don't think he gathered every single land animal and put them on the boat. That would mean that he only traveled within the area of land he was living on in order to get those animals. He must have gathered enough food to feed them for those number of days. I'm sure the animals got to move at least a little bit, but are you saying they couldn't have survived without that?
@nar3sas You do know food rots or spoils if it isn't frozen right? How were they able to preserve the food? And if it did rain for 40 days and night the freshwater must have mixed with the salfwater and that would be dangerous for all marine life. If he didn't gather every single land animal then how come said animals exist today? Did god magically brought them to existence?
@IcarusTouma You have a point with your first statement about the food. I'm not sure how the food would have been preserved, but it may have been possible. I'm not sure about the saltwater and freshwater mixing being dangerous for all of the marine organisms. It's possible that certain species went extinct, that most of the members of certain species died, and that certain species remained in good health. Also, it's possible that there were land animals living on high-enough elevations.
@IcarusTouma No, I do NOT keep on making myself believe everything in the Bible is true. There is a lot of symbolism, so it's not as simple as taking everything literally, which should be obvious to a logical person. It seems we're not going to agree on that, so let's leave it at that.
@IcarusTouma In that case, they could do a simple experiment in which the first person writes something on a piece of paper and leaves it on his bed, the astral projector astral projects to that location to read what was written on that piece of paper, and the astral projector tells him what it said once he or she is back in his or her body. Astral projection allows you to see what people are doing in real time, so I doubt that it's false.
@IcarusTouma NDE's cannot be proven since they are only experienced by the person in that state. For that, you would have to trust the sincerity of the people who talk about what they went through, and I'm sure most are sincere. Also, they all said that everything felt more real when they were having an NDE, making our current reality dream-like in comparison. Check out this NDE testimony /watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg. All I know for sure is that a Creator exists.
@IcarusTouma Do you really think that our universe started from nothing? Physics even supports the idea of an infinite number of universes, so it would be even more amazing if all of that was to start from nothing. I believe that there exist dimensions beyond our current one because of astral projection. I believe there is a dimension where a Creator, who of course created everything that now exists, resides.
@nar3sas Fact is we DON'T KNOW what caused (if there was any cause) the Big Bang, we know the Big Bang as the exponential inflation of the universe in a very short period of time. You say "all I know is that a creator exists" and "I believe there is a creator". Prove it. Don't trust people with their personal experiences because a lunatic can assure you that he rode and partied with a dinosaur. You need proof and you have none, this is why I don't take religious people seriously...
@IcarusTouma Do you really think the Big Bang happened all on its own? That's highly unlikely, considering there is an afterlife. Do you think the afterlife would have no one controlling it? Plus, I believe I already have provided proof for God's existence. All of the people who had NDE's reported either going to Heaven or Hell. It wasn't completely random. Even atheists have reported going to Hell. I have at least provided proof for the existence of the soul and the afterlife.
@nar3sas How do you know there is an afterlife? Do you have any proof? I said we DON'T KNOW what caused (if there was any cause) the Big Bang. You haven't provided any proof, all you do is take people's words as facts without any scientific experiments and observations. It's funny how we atheists humbly say we don't know what caused the Big Bang but you religious people assert it was a creator who did it because the answer isn't yet known...
@IcarusTouma I know there is an afterlife because of astral projection and NDE's. Astral projection can be proven. I know that you said we don't know what caused the Big Bang, but I know the afterlife exists according to what I've told you. I also believe there is an all-powerful being in that afterlife. I know what you mean by wanting scientific experiments and observations, but not everything can be proven that way. Some things have to be experienced first-hand in order to be known as real.
@nar3sas Then how do I know what you're asserting is a fact? People's testimonies are not facts. No amount of belief makes something a fact. Tell me, has man proven anything to be a fact with just belief? No, but several things have been proven through science.
@IcarusTouma Astral projection can be proven, so I know what I've said about it is a fact. About NDE's, the people who talk about these say that they experienced something that felt more real than our reality, making our current reality dream-like in comparison. Even a former atheist professor talked about going to Hell. I know what you mean about beliefs not necessarily making something a fact. I know that man has not proven anything to be fact with just belief. Those are obvious facts.
@nar3sas Where's the scientific proof? Like I said before the human brain can easily deceive us, if you are asserting something as a fact you need scientific unbiased proof, not experiences from people who can be easily deceived....
@IcarusTouma I told you before that there is no scientific proof. I'm asserting that what these people have gone through is true. I know that the brain can deceive us, but I'm sure that's not the case with NDE's. They did not just go to some random place and see random things. It was either Heaven or Hell for each one of them.
@nar3sas How do you know they weren't hallucinating? How can you believe something without having any proof or evidence? If I told you that I dreamt that I was walking on the Moon and it was made of cheese and I said that I know what I had gone through was a fact would you believe me? How do you know hell or heaven are real? How do you know a creator exists?
@IcarusTouma They ALL reported either going to Heaven or Hell. How could they have been merely hallicinating? I believe them because they couldn't have made up everything they did and becuase they're all sincere. A dream about walking on the Moon and saying it was made of cheese is totally different. I told you all of those people who went through NDE's either went to Heaven or Hell. People have seen Jesus in their NDE's. I could give you some more NDE videos if you want.
@nar3sas Again, lots of people have hallucinated that they were abducted by aliens, so now it has to be a fact cause more than one person had the same dream/hallucination right?
@IcarusTouma That's completely different. These people were not near death. They clearly DID have hallucinations when they said they were abducted by aliens. You could logically conclude that since we've seen nothing supporting an alien abduction.
@IcarusTouma Did I ever say there was evidence for God's existence within the Bible? The Bible has proven to be correct on certain things, but I'm not sure if that makes it more likely to people that God exists. There really is no way to prove that God exists. There are only different forms of support like NDE's, astral projection, miracles, and laminin.
@nar3sas The bible may have mentioned existing cities and people but that doesn't prove it is correct. Comic books mention Peter Parker living in New York, does that mean Spider-man is real? A guy named peter Parker might be. Support? You call visions that no one can confirm a support for god's existence?
@IcarusTouma You're right about the Bible mentioning cities and peoiple not proving it to be correct. Your example makes sense. Yes, I do believe there is support for God's existence. Whether you believe in the visions or not is up to you. Support is relative in this case. If you don't believe in the visions, there is no support. If you do believe in them, there is support.
@nar3sas Again, people having similar hallucinations/visions is not proof at all. There are tons of people who say they've been kidnapped by aliens, does it make it a fact? No...You see, unlike you I won't believe anything people say unless they have scientific evidence, this is how arguments work. I won't believe a guy telling me a thunderstorm is caused by Zeus' wrath because not only does he have no proof for that statement but the answer to said phenomena is already known...
@IcarusTouma I never said it was proof in general. Do you know how to look at previous comments and read? I said that them having similar "visions" is proof to many people. It's completely subjective whether you take their experiences as proof or not. Aliens are within the realm of what can be seen, so we should have seen evidence for them if alien abuctions actually happened. I don't believe in everything people say. I'm careful about choosing what to believe in. Your last statement is true.
@IcarusTouma There is no solid evidence. There are only experiences, nothing more. Since we've come to agree on that, let's end our conversation here since we both know none of us are going to change our opinions. Anyways, I wish you luck in finding the truth about everything, no matter what it is.
@IcarusTouma Evidence can be fabricated. Experience can NOT. However perception to experience can be altered, causing us to associate it w/ falseness due to what appears to be inconsistency. But what does your perception come from? Perhaps spirit? The meaning of things come from the mind and the mind is shaped by how we perceive. I believe our perception is from our spirit. If your spirit can be altered, then how your mind perceives something will provide a different meaning to experience. No?
@PuertoRicanTakeOva "Atheism..something must come from something"? What? Atheism is simply the disbelief that a supreme being exists due to the lack of scientific evidence..experiences are not evidence...
@nar3sas04:36 "Evolution is nothing more than a Pagan religion, there's no scientific proof for it whatsoever" Dude, I knew the video you sent me was full of shit
@IcarusTouma Did you listen to more of it? Did you hear the explanation for that statement? If you don't want to watch that video, watch the other one I gave you. Simple as that.
@nar3sas And do some research on Quantum Mechanics, it has been proven through experiments and observations that particles -called virtual particles- do pop in and out of existence for brief periods of time without breaking the conservation of energy...Now, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE BIG BANG WAS ORIGINATED THIS WAY, because we DON'T KNOW what caused it, all I'm saying is that in the quantum world particles literally come from "nothing".
@IcarusTouma Maybe quantum mechanics does apply to the beginning of the universe, but we can't be sure of course. Even if it does, I don't think that would disprove the existence of God. Anyways, what you told me is something new to me and quite interesting. Maybe I'll look into that some more.
@nar3sas Thing is we barely understand QM and if QM fails to explain what created the Big Bang why would you jump to conclusions and say a god did it?
@IcarusTouma I know we barely understand QM. It's not I'm going to jump to the conclusion that God set off the Big Bang if it's wrong. I've already made my decision anyways.
@nar3sas WOW...That guy knows NOTHING about evolution. Evolution states that humans and apes SHARE a common ancestor, we DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES. That guy is so incredibly ignorant he's making me rage....
@IcarusTouma Like I said before, watch the second video. It seems like I found the wrong video to give you, but I thought it would be good considering the like/dislike ratio. Just forget his ignorance about evolution and move on.
@NateXzX That's not true you ignoramous. No one can say that most of the people in a group sound retared. There are intelligent as well as retarded people in any group. That is the case with atheism, and I have dealt with a lot of retarded atheists, so I could say the same about them. Would you atheists like that? Of course not.
@NateXzX I'm sorry if you really were being sarcastic. There are times when I'm not sure whether someone's being serious or not. That can obviously be difficult at times on the internet since you're not actually hearing the person.
@nar3sas Too true mate, it's happened to me before, to me the finest line lies between conservative christians being serious, or atheist's being sarcastic. . .
Wow, 1412 likes and only 41 dislikes — and this for a show where one of the hosts gets a bit snippy. Public atheism has come a long way in the past 10 years, hasn't it?
@NeosimianSapiens Yes, it was written, and it was also written it will be a majority of the population pretty soon, and they will be so pissed by religion that will identify all atheists with a tattoo in their hand, 666, ring a bell?
@dejesusluisx Ah, yes, the mark of the beast. Well, good luck attempting to make Bible prophecy fit with the current state of the world. By my estimation it has been possible to make the world situation "fit" for every year since at least the time of Napoleon. The religion I was raised in found it easy to apply it to 1914, 1918 and 1975. You know why? Because the Bible is vague! "Mark of the beast", indeed. What does it ACTUALLY mean, please?
@NeosimianSapiens Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level?, who kills or who respects life?, who enslaves or who frees?, who envy or who love?, who is selfish or who is selfless?, who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late
@dejesusluisx Wrong, I'm afraid. I'm atheist and I have rejected both materialism and selfishness. My eyes are open in a way you cannot understand because they are blinkered by belief. See my profile to see the link to my blog if you want to know more. I doubt that you will even check the links, or understand what you see if you do, because it's too big a leap. You have too much to give up. Too much pride, too much investment in your personal narrative. But there's there it is. Peace.
@NeosimianSapiens When we were kids we followed God by blindly believing religion superficial arguments. As we become young adults, some people may acquire knowledge that renders religion arguments to a mere superstition; then they stop looking. An even smaller group keeps looking and finds the real deep theological truths from where these “myths” originate. When that happens, the road to enlightenment is found. I was a non-believer for 30 yrs. You're almost there, just need to trust intuition
@dejesusluisx Your words sounds fine except for one small problem: you are assuming that you need the concept of God for enlightenment. If you can show that you are able to move past that model then perhaps I'll take you seriously. I have nothing against God per se, except that I find it an unnecessarily complication when depicting the way the universe truly operates. Maybe you know what I'm talking about. If you do, you can probably convey that to me in a single message. We'll see. Peace.
@NeosimianSapiens Enlightenment without God is like a beautiful puzzle missing a center piece. You can make out the picture, but doesn't seem right. I looked at you site, and you seem like a smart person, but you're missing one piece. Maybe the problem is you concept of God. God is energy, conscious energy. The origin of the universe can't be explained without conscious energy. I've studied every theory out there, they all start with energy. Try to think as God would think and you'll understand.
@dejesusluisx "I've studied every theory out there, they all start with energy." I sincerely doubt you've studied every theory. What's your take on loop quantum gravity? Anyway, it doesn't matter because that's not the issue of the moment. "Try to think as God would think and you'll understand." I cannot think as an being in whom I do not believe. Even if I did believe it would be literally insane to imagine I could wrap my puny brain around multiverse-spanning thoughts.
@NeosimianSapiens "What's your take on loop quantum gravity?" it is a great theory to explain gravity, since general relativity didn't and quantum physics explanation is based on non-existent particles (gravitons). But it has no explanation for the origin of the universe. Quantum gravity in itself is a form of energy, so if the theory is proven to be right, it will further support my view that energy created the universe. If you know anyone working in this field, I could give them a few hints.
@NeosimianSapiens "I cannot think as an being in whom I do not believe" you don't have to believe to imagine how would you come about a self -programming program, what to show, what to let it learn, when to intervene and when to leave alone. Our consciousness was made in Divine Consciousness image, so our logic is God's logic, you're just missing key pieces of information to follow the same logic. If you try, you could understand perfectly why the world works the way it does and why God is real
@NeosimianSapiens My definition: God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe was very powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exist.
@dejesusluisx "All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition." This does not follow because it is based on shaky (incomplete) premises. Listen, it's possible for you to find a measure of enlightenment, or even sufficient enlightenment, with your belief in god as such. But before you go preaching to people online you might take a few years to hone your outlook. It sounds to me like you're trying to take shortcuts. Peace.
@NeosimianSapiens "This does not follow because it is based on shaky (incomplete) premises" When you refute an argument, you need to give reasons for your assertions, it just won't cut it to affirm something with "just because you say so" as an explanation. Why are the premises incomplete? This just proves my point you're missing a key component for true enlightenment. Even Jesus provided examples for His assertions.
@dejesusluisx "Even Jesus provided examples for His assertions." Jesus didn't have to squeeze his responses into tiny YouTube text boxes! :) Okay, dude, you've proven to me that you're full of baloney and in no way, shape or form are you enlightened. You do talk a good game, though, and I'm sure you can convince plenty of people including, most significantly, yourself. This conversation is over as far as I'm concerned but you're welcome to have the last word. Peace.
@NeosimianSapiens Where do we go from here? We are in a crucial point in human evolution. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish animal behavior is the next step in consciousness. Only our Free Will is in the way. Atheism rejects Jesus as a role model. This represents a step back in consciousness. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done. You still have hope. GBY
@donfishmaster The fact that you don't have the intellectual acuity to intuitively deduct the implications of the arguments depicted, doesn't mean the arguments are unsound, it just implies your posts belongs to an edwardcurrent childish video.
@dejesusluisx, what? matter is a form of energy, i am made of matter, god is the conscious energy of the universe = i am god? i'm confused by your statement.
@dejesusluisx, yeah sure naturalistic gods made of energy can and probably do exist. that however is not the god of the bible. Nor is the existence of such a creature by no stretch of the imagination "supernatural". For the god of the bible to simply be "the energy of the universe" or what ever you trollishly saying it would have to be infinite. Since as i said before "nothing in this universe is infinite", i highly doubt your claims. please try again
@overlordcacius The definition of God is in the Bible, and I didn't made up the definition of energy either. And is too much of a coincidence that the only thing in the universe capable of making matter was defined scientifically the same way God is defined biblically. I'm just putting 2+2 together. When you consider that the ancient goat herders didn't have a clue of what they were talking about, the coincidence is awesome.
@overlordcacius "For the god of the bible to simply be "the energy of the universe"" that would be the conscious energy of the universe. That is much more than "simply".
@dejesusluisx, if your claiming that god is energy then by definition it is not godor at least the god of the bible. energy is measurable and testable. and nothing in this universe can be infinite. that includes energy. And those other people are right atheism makes no positive claims so there cannot be proof. only disbelief of proof from the opposing end due to lack of evidence and reason.
oh and this is much more entertaining then the featured video. lol
@overlordcacius God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exists.
People, it is impossible to prove whether God exists or not. If you believe in him, fine, if you don't, that's fine too. I personally believe in him, but I don't force my beliefs on other people. Let them live their life, you live yours.
@IMeepify I would have to disagree. If you believe in a god that can in some way interact with the real world (i.e miracles) then that entity is testable. Likewise given our knowledge of the natural world it is also possible to test for the supernatural, for example the existence of souls.
Well, it would be all very nice if God took a vacation down here to earth as proof, but if he doesn't, we have no proof of his existence, only our faith. I was refering to our own inability to prove his existence. And I doubt we can prove or disprove whether we have souls, or anything of the like, as I do not believe souls can be measured or identified.
Well, it would be all very nice if God took a vacation down here to earth as proof, but if he doesn't, we have no proof of his existence, only our faith. I was refering to our own inability to prove his existence. And I doubt we can prove or disprove whether we have souls, or anything of the like, as I do not believe souls can be measured or identified.
God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None, zero, nada. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
@dejesusluisx WOOOOW, NOMINATION FOR STUPIDEST FUCKING PERSON ON THE INTERNET, RIGHT HERE... Are you an idiot? How can we disprove God, when he isn't even real? what evidence are we gonna show you to prove he's not real..? how the fuck would you prove to me, that there is no invisible man standing next to me.. how would you prove that? you can't prove it... that doesn't mean he IS there, it just means you have no way of proving it, because he simply is not there and that would be the real answer
@BARRlSS "How can we disprove God, when he isn't even real?" With a very good argument that can't be intelligently refuted, with a logical contradiction, or with a scientific discovery that makes God existence an impossibility. Until the earlier part of the 20th century, physicists thought the universe was static that, if confirmed, would had disproved God. It was discover that the universe was expanding and mathematical calculations proved that it had an origin. This confirmed the Biblical text
@dejesusluisx your ignorant ass comment is going to make many people want to punch you in the fucking face. you said the stupidest thing you could have possibly said. especially when you said the burden of proof is on US.. how about since you're the one claiming he exists, YOU prove it? HOW ABOUT THAT? IT ONLY MAKES SENSE YOU STUPID FUCK.
@BARRlSS You comment just shows your hate. Is that the best atheism has to offer? Is the whole world turn into a place where rants, hate and violence are the norm and a way of living? Is this the world you want for your descendants? Atheists also make claims like: theists are deluded, the Bible is a fairy tale and God doesn't exists among others. Those claims required evidence, otherwise are faith claims. Why substituting one religion for another? If you think you're smart bring the evidence
GOD IS BEOND YOUR MINE AND EVERY BODYS COMPRHEN THERE IS MORE PROOF OF A CREATOR THAN THERE IS OF YOUR BANG. I DONT HATE YOU LIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DO. WHICH I DO THINK YOU PEOPLE CALL YOUR OWEN SHOW AND TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE LOOK STUPID FOR THERE BELIVES THERE ARE TO MANY PERFECT THINGS ON THIS EARTH FOR IT TO BE AN ACDENT,LOOK AT THE EYE TO OF THM PERFCTLY PERPORSIONED OR HOW BOUT OUR DIEGESTIVE SYSTEM OR HOW THE SUN IS JUST THE RIGHT DISTENCE TO ME IT IS A NO BRAINER IF YOU HAVE ONE THAT IS
jwhamilton79 5 days ago
@jwhamilton79 ABLE TO THINK FOR YOUR SELF INSTED OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU CUZ THAT IS WHY YOU FEEL THIS WAY IS IT NOT I MEAN YOU WASNT BORN THAT WAY SOME ONE TOLD YOU THIS CRAP,LOOK AT YOUR HANDS THAT IS A NOTHER GOOD ONE THERE THE SAME AND YOU HAVE TO OF THEM ALL THIS BY RANDOME CHANCE,COME ON MAN THINK ABOUT IT
jwhamilton79 5 days ago
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Seems that using the spell checker and turning your caps lock off is beyond your comprehension dude.
atheistgeezer 5 days ago
creationists are the dumbest people in the world. this person is merely one of those people
rockys201 6 days ago
I love it when Jeff gets pissed.
chinopisces 1 week ago
The second guy was an explosion of greatness
Dersabom 2 weeks ago
Was that for real?
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Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
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I suspect UR problem is because our Creator God must be revealed & cannot be "proven" to someone who seeks a narrow, modernist, skeptical, materialist proof (because this Creator is, by definition, Transcendent to His creation(not a finite entity in His own creation). According to what we believe about the LORD, He will NEVER make Himself known to anyone who is arrogant, proud & full of their own self-centered conceit. Have you read "Mere Christianity" ? God respects the free will
shieldsff 1 month ago
Guys like that make me cringe at the thought that my birth certificate still shows I'm a christian. A few more callers like that and I'm gonna correct that.
Vigilluminatus 1 month ago
ILLOGICAL INFOWMATION
ChairmanDrek757 1 month ago
Christians are the ones who will go to hell because of the collective atrocities done by Christians to mankind throughout history. There is real hell, not he Biblical one, waiting for Christians. Moses who wrote those barbaric laws are now burning in hell.
TheSpeaknoevil 1 month ago
I love the dumb callers.
mzyzer19 1 month ago
I think that caller could possibly be the dumbest individual in all of Texas! Seriously, I think he was that retarded!! : )
winterstellar 1 month ago
the caller is a stuttering freak
tdaddy8581 1 month ago
The stupidity of the christian caller is astonishing.
LogicIrrefutable 2 months ago
If you have free will then maybe those that do good will go to heaven regardless of if they lick gods arsehole(theists )through worship.Meaning atheist views are completely right in everyway..since god didnt put anything in place to force us to follow his plan becuase he believes in freee fucking will... that holy books are lie since they stop this freedom of choice GOD himself put in us supposedly and try to blame another(devil) for the bad deeds they commit running away from responsability.
Thelondonbadger 2 months ago
Is a threat a threat if it can not be carried out or is an empty threat?
"I'll kill you by dropping the Empire State building on you!" - impossible or empty threat, so safe to assume can not harm, so not a threat
"I'll kill you by shooting you!" - possible. Guns exist, available and can be pointed at me.
"I'll threaten you with hell!" - impossible and an empty threat as it doesn't exist, so is it a threat?
AlexStavrinides 2 months ago
@AlexStavrinides Yes, all three of them are examples of threats, according to the dictionary "An expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage." Yes, an empty threat, comical even, but still a threat.
Dragonteuthis 1 month ago
This guy isn't just stupid, his working vocabulary is so small that there's no possible way to communicate with him because he doesn't know the meaning of enough of the words to form an idea of what they are saying to him.
Tunnelfish2 2 months ago
The caller is an idiot and not a typical Christian. He made me chuckle, though.
ProtestantsRUs 2 months ago
1.00. He's trying SO hard not to laugh out loud!
nfgdjl 2 months ago
Calm down Jeff, there was no threat. Since when does saying "reap what you sow" constitute a threat. You made the leap.
tangentcreative1 2 months ago
I often get into circular discussions with people. Make a point of saying that simple because we don't yet understand what happened before the universe began; does not necessarily mean that a deity did it. And then they say "yes but you don't know how it got there, so god did it." or something like that. How are you to get the discussion moving forward? I hate that...
Gurrennakun 2 months ago
I love how Jeff gets pissed off at this guy. He was seriously pissing me off too! D:< Quite frankly I dont think I couldve remained as composed as the first guy was.
arcticfox22 2 months ago
Man oh man, callers like this sure prop up the finding that poor education and religion go hand in hand. The Big Bang came from an atom??? LOL
warren52nz 2 months ago
If you listen really close you can hear his brain cells dying.
macmaasi79 3 months ago
No one said experience is evidence. Just saying to rely completely on the observation of a scientist may not always be the wisest decision.
PuertoRicanTakeOva 3 months ago
@PuertoRicanTakeOva Science does not even rely completely on the observations of science. Case in point, recently the scientists at CERN believed they made a neutrino break the speed of light and nullify a long standing theory, then another lab proved them wrong a couple days later. Science is pretty much about learning and telling about it while others try to prove it wrong until all that remains is what is probably right (theory) or what cannot in any way be untrue (laws and postulates).
BigBananaMan 3 months ago
I believe our finite minds are NOT able to comprehend that a high power can always have been in existence logically, which limits our logic. The thing w/ atheism is that they are trapped believing SOMETHING MUST come from SOMETHING without taking into consideration that perhaps our finite human minds aren't made to comprehend beyond that. If we understand that our FINITE minds are limited than we accept that it is possible for something to always have existed without coming from something else.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
...I can *completely* understand their frustration dealing with a caller like that, but wowwww the second host was obnoxious. In dealing with the irrational it's hardly to the point to get in a yelling/interrupting/"HOW DARE YOU" match. This was posted 3 years ago, so I can only hope his style has toned down a bit. sighs, etc
Albatrosssd 3 months ago
the caller sorta sounds like a dumbed down bill cosby
primeEmu16 3 months ago
Atheism is flat out wrong, how in the world did a little ball of matter create the perfect spheroid of life called earth? How come the outer view of our galaxy is shaped as a cross? How is the main protein that holds our whole body together shaped as a cross? And you tell me how in the world apes just decided to evolve into humans when there are still apes living in our world.
hhester100 3 months ago
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So atheism is wrong because you don't have answers to a bunch of questions? Why are there apes still living when humans exist? Humans are apes by definition of being human. That's like asking why there are still Europeans when the world has Americans. You're either a troll or extremely uneducated. ^_^
HumaneAnon 3 months ago
@hhester100 I thought it was the law in the US for all children to attend school until 16 years of age?
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eternal burning in Hell is not biblical. more and more Christians understand this is biblical error that came from mid evil days ,catholic church have used to scare people into Christianity. this error is seen now by many Christians.good because now the Atheist cant use it anymore as a argument that God is evil...one day this evil doctrine is eradicated from Christianity.any want proof of my claim watch this video.Lecture - Edward Fudge - The Fire That Consumes, 3rd edition
jesusLostChildren777 3 months ago
Such a dumb ass phone caller. Could barely string a sentence together.
ec123456789able 3 months ago
Bahahah hes such an idiot I bet he never passed 5th grade science
TheDantestopher 3 months ago
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The scientific illiteracy of creationists can be so PAINFUL at times. "Atom or nucleus or somethin' up in the outer-space region that exploded"? Geez, did this caller even complete middle school?
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Look at the trees!!! Its always the trees
RedlineMMA 4 months ago
THA HIYAH POWAH
NukedWaffle 4 months ago
This is what every single christian sounds like to me. Seriously.
GundamLeviathan 4 months ago 8
@GundamLeviathan Not every single Christian is like the one in the video. You're just making a generalization since you can't accept that there is a possility that God, or a Creator, exists. Even if His existence cannot be proven, it cannot be disproved also. Also, I can answer the question that the Christian wouldn't/couldn't answer. Everything had and has a cause except for the source of all causes, whether it is God or something else. Christians simply believe it was/is God.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas There is no "source of all causes." That is the point. Those who believe in a supernatural creator believe that there is a higher being that has no origin or creator itself. Science and the natural world don't operate like that. Everything has causes and is affected by its environment. So, what you choose to believe as being the invisible, unprovable cause of causes is something that ONLY exists as a belief- one that is contradictory to what we know actually know about the natural world
bleeah 4 months ago
@bleeah Yes, there IS a source of all causes. That's the only possible way of thinking about tthe beginning of anything. Christians believe it was a supernatural creator they call God. Science and the natural world operate on the basis of what the source started. The source itself of course had no cause as it is the source. Everything after the source had causes and have been affected by their environment. It is not a belief, but a fact. What we know about the natural world is limted.
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@nar3sas I don't know what you're talking about here. "Science and the natural world operate on the basis of what the source started. The source itself of course had no cause as it is the source." What are you talking about?
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whatthehellbook 4 months ago
Why is it that most religious people sound like they're retards?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago 10
@IcarusTouma It doesn't seem like you've met enough Christians to say something like that. You can't possibly know what set of beliefs each person you meet or have met has or had, so even atheists can sound retarded, and I have met A LOT of retarded atheists on the Internet. The Christian in this video just happened to be among those you consider retarded. There are retarded as well as intelligent people in each religon that exists, so it's best to just leave it at that.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas How can you say a religious person is intelligent if they believe in something fictional? And not only do they believe that, they assert it without any scientific evidence...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma When I say that someone's intelligent, I don't base it on their religion. You could be among the most intelligent people on the planet and still be part of a certain religion. Also, it cannot be proven that Christians believe in something fictional. Would it be ridiculous to say that there was a Creator, one who Christians call God? Would it be ridiculous to say that there is life after death and that you go to a certain place in that afterlife based on how good you were on Earth?
nar3sas 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma You could still believe in those and be a very intelligent person. I happen to be a Christian, and I am an intelligent person. I believe that God exists and that there is an afterlife with a place for good people and another for bad people. Also, it's possible that there are different levels in each of these places based on HOW good you were or HOW bad you were. Anyways, I believe there is support for Christianity. You have NDE's, astral projection, and proof for Biblical events.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Proof of biblical events? like the universe being created in 6 days? How can you prove that those astral projections and NDE's are reliable and accurate? The human brain can easily deceive us. How do you know or what makes you believe this "god" is real? and how do you know he's the Christan god -if he exists? All of you religious people rely solely on your beliefs and not on concrete evidence...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Yes, there has been proof for mane of the events in the Bible, which you can look up. The universe was not created in 6 days obviously. That was symbolism in which each day respresented a certain number of years. Unfortunately, astral projection can't be proven to someone unless that person knows an astral projector.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Certain cities might be mentioned in the bible and a guy named Jesus might have existed but you don't know if he was the son of a creator. Please what events have been proven in the bible? and what scientific experiments have been done to confirm those claims?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma You're right about us not knowing if there really was the son of a Creator who was sent to Earth, but I'm sure there is at least a Creator/God. Here is one video which talks about the Bible /watch?v=aCeSJw3Qzls, and it's 58 minutes long. Here is another one /watch?v=O6A11fqBFrU, which is 1 hour and 20 minutes long. Not every event has been proven, but that's the same with a lot of other events in history. We just have to try our best to make connections using what we find.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas "This video disproves evolution" After reading that I cannot take this video seriously. And why were the comments disabled? hm?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Well, disregard that if it makes you feel better about watching the video. I believe the comments were disabled because there are always going to be disrespectful and ridiculous people as long as we have as many people as there are on our planet. It's likely that a lot of people didn't watch the video completely before judging it. Also, that wasn't the only video I gave you.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas How do I know the video you sent me wasn't made by a biased religious person? How do I know the "scientific" evidence in certain video is reliable? The description itself says that evolution has been proven wrong LOL Really? I bet the person who made the video doesn't even know how evolution works...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma I doubt that he was biased, and you can't tell completely before watching the whole video. Unfortunately, it's a long video, but that's the only way to tell. How do you know the scientific evidence talked about in certain books is real? It's the same thing. The events discussed must have been proven. I don't know about evolution being proved wrong, but it would be best to watch the video to see if that was a ridiculous claim or not.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Would you watch a documentary that says the sun orbits the earth and it's made of fire? I thought so....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma That's not the same thing. We know for a fact that the Sun is not made of fire and that the Earth orbits it. The video talks about something which is debatable.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas "Debatable" Dude the description says that evolution will be proven wrong, are you serious?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma What it talks about is debatable. Disregard the part about evolution being proven wrong.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas He clearly doesn't know what evolution is.....Now what? he's going to say that atheism is a religion as well? please....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Maybe he doesn't know what evolution is. It's obvious that atheism is not a religion since it is a lack of that. Please watch the second video I gave you (the 1 hour and 20 minute-long one).
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas No thanks, I feel like my neurons are dying from listening to religious people talk about things they know nothing about, no offense.
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Just go the second video. If you see a ridiculous description, then tell me you can't watch it. The like/dislike ratio should be satisfying, so try watching it.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas LOL Noah's Ark has been debunked a while ago......
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Noah's Ark was NOT debunked at all. I don't know where you got that information from. Possibly some biased atheists.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Then how do you know that is Noah's Ark? Do you know there is no GEOLOGICAL evidence that a great flood occurred right? You also believe in talking snakes?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Are you talking about the second video? What I know is that there is support that a worldwide flood occurred all that time ago and that the location of where Noah's Ark would have been after the flood was found. I don't know about talking snakes. It's possible that it may have happened back during the first days of the existence of humans, but we can't tell now. For now, we can't tell, but it could have been symbolism.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Really? How do you know that is Noah's Ark? How do you know that Noah was able to gather every single land animal and put them on a boat? How was he able to travel the world to get those animals? How was their diets preserved? What did Noah do so the muscles of thousands of animals were kept from withering away due to the lack of exercise during several days?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma It's possible that it is Noah's Ark, and maybe not. Also, he gathered pairs of animals of different species. I don't think he gathered every single land animal and put them on the boat. That would mean that he only traveled within the area of land he was living on in order to get those animals. He must have gathered enough food to feed them for those number of days. I'm sure the animals got to move at least a little bit, but are you saying they couldn't have survived without that?
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas You do know food rots or spoils if it isn't frozen right? How were they able to preserve the food? And if it did rain for 40 days and night the freshwater must have mixed with the salfwater and that would be dangerous for all marine life. If he didn't gather every single land animal then how come said animals exist today? Did god magically brought them to existence?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma You have a point with your first statement about the food. I'm not sure how the food would have been preserved, but it may have been possible. I'm not sure about the saltwater and freshwater mixing being dangerous for all of the marine organisms. It's possible that certain species went extinct, that most of the members of certain species died, and that certain species remained in good health. Also, it's possible that there were land animals living on high-enough elevations.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas What amazes me is that you keep on making yourself believe everything on the bible is true. Wow....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma No, I do NOT keep on making myself believe everything in the Bible is true. There is a lot of symbolism, so it's not as simple as taking everything literally, which should be obvious to a logical person. It seems we're not going to agree on that, so let's leave it at that.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma In that case, they could do a simple experiment in which the first person writes something on a piece of paper and leaves it on his bed, the astral projector astral projects to that location to read what was written on that piece of paper, and the astral projector tells him what it said once he or she is back in his or her body. Astral projection allows you to see what people are doing in real time, so I doubt that it's false.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma NDE's cannot be proven since they are only experienced by the person in that state. For that, you would have to trust the sincerity of the people who talk about what they went through, and I'm sure most are sincere. Also, they all said that everything felt more real when they were having an NDE, making our current reality dream-like in comparison. Check out this NDE testimony /watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg. All I know for sure is that a Creator exists.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Do you really think that our universe started from nothing? Physics even supports the idea of an infinite number of universes, so it would be even more amazing if all of that was to start from nothing. I believe that there exist dimensions beyond our current one because of astral projection. I believe there is a dimension where a Creator, who of course created everything that now exists, resides.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Fact is we DON'T KNOW what caused (if there was any cause) the Big Bang, we know the Big Bang as the exponential inflation of the universe in a very short period of time. You say "all I know is that a creator exists" and "I believe there is a creator". Prove it. Don't trust people with their personal experiences because a lunatic can assure you that he rode and partied with a dinosaur. You need proof and you have none, this is why I don't take religious people seriously...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Do you really think the Big Bang happened all on its own? That's highly unlikely, considering there is an afterlife. Do you think the afterlife would have no one controlling it? Plus, I believe I already have provided proof for God's existence. All of the people who had NDE's reported either going to Heaven or Hell. It wasn't completely random. Even atheists have reported going to Hell. I have at least provided proof for the existence of the soul and the afterlife.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas How do you know there is an afterlife? Do you have any proof? I said we DON'T KNOW what caused (if there was any cause) the Big Bang. You haven't provided any proof, all you do is take people's words as facts without any scientific experiments and observations. It's funny how we atheists humbly say we don't know what caused the Big Bang but you religious people assert it was a creator who did it because the answer isn't yet known...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma I know there is an afterlife because of astral projection and NDE's. Astral projection can be proven. I know that you said we don't know what caused the Big Bang, but I know the afterlife exists according to what I've told you. I also believe there is an all-powerful being in that afterlife. I know what you mean by wanting scientific experiments and observations, but not everything can be proven that way. Some things have to be experienced first-hand in order to be known as real.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Then how do I know what you're asserting is a fact? People's testimonies are not facts. No amount of belief makes something a fact. Tell me, has man proven anything to be a fact with just belief? No, but several things have been proven through science.
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Astral projection can be proven, so I know what I've said about it is a fact. About NDE's, the people who talk about these say that they experienced something that felt more real than our reality, making our current reality dream-like in comparison. Even a former atheist professor talked about going to Hell. I know what you mean about beliefs not necessarily making something a fact. I know that man has not proven anything to be fact with just belief. Those are obvious facts.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Where's the scientific proof? Like I said before the human brain can easily deceive us, if you are asserting something as a fact you need scientific unbiased proof, not experiences from people who can be easily deceived....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma I told you before that there is no scientific proof. I'm asserting that what these people have gone through is true. I know that the brain can deceive us, but I'm sure that's not the case with NDE's. They did not just go to some random place and see random things. It was either Heaven or Hell for each one of them.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas How do you know they weren't hallucinating? How can you believe something without having any proof or evidence? If I told you that I dreamt that I was walking on the Moon and it was made of cheese and I said that I know what I had gone through was a fact would you believe me? How do you know hell or heaven are real? How do you know a creator exists?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma They ALL reported either going to Heaven or Hell. How could they have been merely hallicinating? I believe them because they couldn't have made up everything they did and becuase they're all sincere. A dream about walking on the Moon and saying it was made of cheese is totally different. I told you all of those people who went through NDE's either went to Heaven or Hell. People have seen Jesus in their NDE's. I could give you some more NDE videos if you want.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Again, lots of people have hallucinated that they were abducted by aliens, so now it has to be a fact cause more than one person had the same dream/hallucination right?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma That's completely different. These people were not near death. They clearly DID have hallucinations when they said they were abducted by aliens. You could logically conclude that since we've seen nothing supporting an alien abduction.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Again, if you're going to assert something you need scientific evidence...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Like I told you before, NDE's can't be proven completely to a person unless one is experienced first-hand.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas You still believe in something which has no evidence whatsoever *sigh*
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma If that's what you believe.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Then show me the scientific evidence for god's existence outside of the bible....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Did I ever say there was evidence for God's existence within the Bible? The Bible has proven to be correct on certain things, but I'm not sure if that makes it more likely to people that God exists. There really is no way to prove that God exists. There are only different forms of support like NDE's, astral projection, miracles, and laminin.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas The bible may have mentioned existing cities and people but that doesn't prove it is correct. Comic books mention Peter Parker living in New York, does that mean Spider-man is real? A guy named peter Parker might be. Support? You call visions that no one can confirm a support for god's existence?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma You're right about the Bible mentioning cities and peoiple not proving it to be correct. Your example makes sense. Yes, I do believe there is support for God's existence. Whether you believe in the visions or not is up to you. Support is relative in this case. If you don't believe in the visions, there is no support. If you do believe in them, there is support.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Again, people having similar hallucinations/visions is not proof at all. There are tons of people who say they've been kidnapped by aliens, does it make it a fact? No...You see, unlike you I won't believe anything people say unless they have scientific evidence, this is how arguments work. I won't believe a guy telling me a thunderstorm is caused by Zeus' wrath because not only does he have no proof for that statement but the answer to said phenomena is already known...
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma I never said it was proof in general. Do you know how to look at previous comments and read? I said that them having similar "visions" is proof to many people. It's completely subjective whether you take their experiences as proof or not. Aliens are within the realm of what can be seen, so we should have seen evidence for them if alien abuctions actually happened. I don't believe in everything people say. I'm careful about choosing what to believe in. Your last statement is true.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Again, when you argue you need solid evidence and not experiences.
IcarusTouma 3 months ago
@IcarusTouma There is no solid evidence. There are only experiences, nothing more. Since we've come to agree on that, let's end our conversation here since we both know none of us are going to change our opinions. Anyways, I wish you luck in finding the truth about everything, no matter what it is.
nar3sas 3 months ago
@nar3sas Fair enough, likewise, thanks for the civilized debate!
IcarusTouma 3 months ago
@IcarusTouma You're welcome, and thank you for also being respectful. :)
nar3sas 3 months ago
@IcarusTouma Evidence can be fabricated. Experience can NOT. However perception to experience can be altered, causing us to associate it w/ falseness due to what appears to be inconsistency. But what does your perception come from? Perhaps spirit? The meaning of things come from the mind and the mind is shaped by how we perceive. I believe our perception is from our spirit. If your spirit can be altered, then how your mind perceives something will provide a different meaning to experience. No?
PuertoRicanTakeOva 3 months ago
@PuertoRicanTakeOva "Atheism..something must come from something"? What? Atheism is simply the disbelief that a supreme being exists due to the lack of scientific evidence..experiences are not evidence...
IcarusTouma 3 months ago
@nar3sas 04:36 "Evolution is nothing more than a Pagan religion, there's no scientific proof for it whatsoever" Dude, I knew the video you sent me was full of shit
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Did you listen to more of it? Did you hear the explanation for that statement? If you don't want to watch that video, watch the other one I gave you. Simple as that.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas And do some research on Quantum Mechanics, it has been proven through experiments and observations that particles -called virtual particles- do pop in and out of existence for brief periods of time without breaking the conservation of energy...Now, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE BIG BANG WAS ORIGINATED THIS WAY, because we DON'T KNOW what caused it, all I'm saying is that in the quantum world particles literally come from "nothing".
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Maybe quantum mechanics does apply to the beginning of the universe, but we can't be sure of course. Even if it does, I don't think that would disprove the existence of God. Anyways, what you told me is something new to me and quite interesting. Maybe I'll look into that some more.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Thing is we barely understand QM and if QM fails to explain what created the Big Bang why would you jump to conclusions and say a god did it?
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma I know we barely understand QM. It's not I'm going to jump to the conclusion that God set off the Big Bang if it's wrong. I've already made my decision anyways.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas WOW...That guy knows NOTHING about evolution. Evolution states that humans and apes SHARE a common ancestor, we DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES. That guy is so incredibly ignorant he's making me rage....
IcarusTouma 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Like I said before, watch the second video. It seems like I found the wrong video to give you, but I thought it would be good considering the like/dislike ratio. Just forget his ignorance about evolution and move on.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@IcarusTouma Isn't is obvious, its because most of them are retards :(
NateXzX 4 months ago
@NateXzX That's not true you ignoramous. No one can say that most of the people in a group sound retared. There are intelligent as well as retarded people in any group. That is the case with atheism, and I have dealt with a lot of retarded atheists, so I could say the same about them. Would you atheists like that? Of course not.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Sarcasm gone undetected . . .
NateXzX 4 months ago
@NateXzX I'm sorry if you really were being sarcastic. There are times when I'm not sure whether someone's being serious or not. That can obviously be difficult at times on the internet since you're not actually hearing the person.
nar3sas 4 months ago
@nar3sas Too true mate, it's happened to me before, to me the finest line lies between conservative christians being serious, or atheist's being sarcastic. . .
NateXzX 4 months ago
omfg this guy is so fucking slow. "......okey blablabla"
antongronberg 4 months ago
Wow, 1412 likes and only 41 dislikes — and this for a show where one of the hosts gets a bit snippy. Public atheism has come a long way in the past 10 years, hasn't it?
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens Yes, it was written, and it was also written it will be a majority of the population pretty soon, and they will be so pissed by religion that will identify all atheists with a tattoo in their hand, 666, ring a bell?
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx Ah, yes, the mark of the beast. Well, good luck attempting to make Bible prophecy fit with the current state of the world. By my estimation it has been possible to make the world situation "fit" for every year since at least the time of Napoleon. The religion I was raised in found it easy to apply it to 1914, 1918 and 1975. You know why? Because the Bible is vague! "Mark of the beast", indeed. What does it ACTUALLY mean, please?
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level?, who kills or who respects life?, who enslaves or who frees?, who envy or who love?, who is selfish or who is selfless?, who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx Wrong, I'm afraid. I'm atheist and I have rejected both materialism and selfishness. My eyes are open in a way you cannot understand because they are blinkered by belief. See my profile to see the link to my blog if you want to know more. I doubt that you will even check the links, or understand what you see if you do, because it's too big a leap. You have too much to give up. Too much pride, too much investment in your personal narrative. But there's there it is. Peace.
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens When we were kids we followed God by blindly believing religion superficial arguments. As we become young adults, some people may acquire knowledge that renders religion arguments to a mere superstition; then they stop looking. An even smaller group keeps looking and finds the real deep theological truths from where these “myths” originate. When that happens, the road to enlightenment is found. I was a non-believer for 30 yrs. You're almost there, just need to trust intuition
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx Your words sounds fine except for one small problem: you are assuming that you need the concept of God for enlightenment. If you can show that you are able to move past that model then perhaps I'll take you seriously. I have nothing against God per se, except that I find it an unnecessarily complication when depicting the way the universe truly operates. Maybe you know what I'm talking about. If you do, you can probably convey that to me in a single message. We'll see. Peace.
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens Enlightenment without God is like a beautiful puzzle missing a center piece. You can make out the picture, but doesn't seem right. I looked at you site, and you seem like a smart person, but you're missing one piece. Maybe the problem is you concept of God. God is energy, conscious energy. The origin of the universe can't be explained without conscious energy. I've studied every theory out there, they all start with energy. Try to think as God would think and you'll understand.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
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NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx "I've studied every theory out there, they all start with energy." I sincerely doubt you've studied every theory. What's your take on loop quantum gravity? Anyway, it doesn't matter because that's not the issue of the moment. "Try to think as God would think and you'll understand." I cannot think as an being in whom I do not believe. Even if I did believe it would be literally insane to imagine I could wrap my puny brain around multiverse-spanning thoughts.
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens "What's your take on loop quantum gravity?" it is a great theory to explain gravity, since general relativity didn't and quantum physics explanation is based on non-existent particles (gravitons). But it has no explanation for the origin of the universe. Quantum gravity in itself is a form of energy, so if the theory is proven to be right, it will further support my view that energy created the universe. If you know anyone working in this field, I could give them a few hints.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens "I cannot think as an being in whom I do not believe" you don't have to believe to imagine how would you come about a self -programming program, what to show, what to let it learn, when to intervene and when to leave alone. Our consciousness was made in Divine Consciousness image, so our logic is God's logic, you're just missing key pieces of information to follow the same logic. If you try, you could understand perfectly why the world works the way it does and why God is real
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens My definition: God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe was very powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exist.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx "All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition." This does not follow because it is based on shaky (incomplete) premises. Listen, it's possible for you to find a measure of enlightenment, or even sufficient enlightenment, with your belief in god as such. But before you go preaching to people online you might take a few years to hone your outlook. It sounds to me like you're trying to take shortcuts. Peace.
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens "This does not follow because it is based on shaky (incomplete) premises" When you refute an argument, you need to give reasons for your assertions, it just won't cut it to affirm something with "just because you say so" as an explanation. Why are the premises incomplete? This just proves my point you're missing a key component for true enlightenment. Even Jesus provided examples for His assertions.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx "Even Jesus provided examples for His assertions." Jesus didn't have to squeeze his responses into tiny YouTube text boxes! :) Okay, dude, you've proven to me that you're full of baloney and in no way, shape or form are you enlightened. You do talk a good game, though, and I'm sure you can convince plenty of people including, most significantly, yourself. This conversation is over as far as I'm concerned but you're welcome to have the last word. Peace.
NeosimianSapiens 4 months ago
@NeosimianSapiens Where do we go from here? We are in a crucial point in human evolution. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish animal behavior is the next step in consciousness. Only our Free Will is in the way. Atheism rejects Jesus as a role model. This represents a step back in consciousness. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done. You still have hope. GBY
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx You're....
You're truly...
I mean you're absolutely without question...
You're crazy as a fucking loon.
donfishmaster 4 months ago
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@donfishmaster The fact that you don't have the intellectual acuity to intuitively deduct the implications of the arguments depicted, doesn't mean the arguments are unsound, it just implies your posts belongs to an edwardcurrent childish video.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx, what? matter is a form of energy, i am made of matter, god is the conscious energy of the universe = i am god? i'm confused by your statement.
overlordcacius 4 months ago
Do you not find that you can hear by the first 5 seconds how retarded the caller will be?
I AM A MOLE AND I LIVE IN A HOLE!
yegmeshjwp 4 months ago
1:40 "Anima-nucleus" xD
kokopelli314 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx, yeah sure naturalistic gods made of energy can and probably do exist. that however is not the god of the bible. Nor is the existence of such a creature by no stretch of the imagination "supernatural". For the god of the bible to simply be "the energy of the universe" or what ever you trollishly saying it would have to be infinite. Since as i said before "nothing in this universe is infinite", i highly doubt your claims. please try again
overlordcacius 4 months ago
@overlordcacius The definition of God is in the Bible, and I didn't made up the definition of energy either. And is too much of a coincidence that the only thing in the universe capable of making matter was defined scientifically the same way God is defined biblically. I'm just putting 2+2 together. When you consider that the ancient goat herders didn't have a clue of what they were talking about, the coincidence is awesome.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@overlordcacius "Since as i said before "nothing in this universe is infinite"" energy is, it extends beyond the know universe.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@overlordcacius "For the god of the bible to simply be "the energy of the universe"" that would be the conscious energy of the universe. That is much more than "simply".
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx, if your claiming that god is energy then by definition it is not godor at least the god of the bible. energy is measurable and testable. and nothing in this universe can be infinite. that includes energy. And those other people are right atheism makes no positive claims so there cannot be proof. only disbelief of proof from the opposing end due to lack of evidence and reason.
oh and this is much more entertaining then the featured video. lol
overlordcacius 4 months ago
@overlordcacius God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exists.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
People, it is impossible to prove whether God exists or not. If you believe in him, fine, if you don't, that's fine too. I personally believe in him, but I don't force my beliefs on other people. Let them live their life, you live yours.
IMeepify 5 months ago
@IMeepify I would have to disagree. If you believe in a god that can in some way interact with the real world (i.e miracles) then that entity is testable. Likewise given our knowledge of the natural world it is also possible to test for the supernatural, for example the existence of souls.
2008jazzii 5 months ago
@2008jazzii
Well, it would be all very nice if God took a vacation down here to earth as proof, but if he doesn't, we have no proof of his existence, only our faith. I was refering to our own inability to prove his existence. And I doubt we can prove or disprove whether we have souls, or anything of the like, as I do not believe souls can be measured or identified.
IMeepify 4 months ago
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@2008jazzii
Well, it would be all very nice if God took a vacation down here to earth as proof, but if he doesn't, we have no proof of his existence, only our faith. I was refering to our own inability to prove his existence. And I doubt we can prove or disprove whether we have souls, or anything of the like, as I do not believe souls can be measured or identified.
IMeepify 4 months ago
God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None, zero, nada. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
@dejesusluisx WOOOOW, NOMINATION FOR STUPIDEST FUCKING PERSON ON THE INTERNET, RIGHT HERE... Are you an idiot? How can we disprove God, when he isn't even real? what evidence are we gonna show you to prove he's not real..? how the fuck would you prove to me, that there is no invisible man standing next to me.. how would you prove that? you can't prove it... that doesn't mean he IS there, it just means you have no way of proving it, because he simply is not there and that would be the real answer
BARRlSS 5 months ago in playlist More videos from ConversationWithA
@BARRlSS "How can we disprove God, when he isn't even real?" With a very good argument that can't be intelligently refuted, with a logical contradiction, or with a scientific discovery that makes God existence an impossibility. Until the earlier part of the 20th century, physicists thought the universe was static that, if confirmed, would had disproved God. It was discover that the universe was expanding and mathematical calculations proved that it had an origin. This confirmed the Biblical text
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
@dejesusluisx your ignorant ass comment is going to make many people want to punch you in the fucking face. you said the stupidest thing you could have possibly said. especially when you said the burden of proof is on US.. how about since you're the one claiming he exists, YOU prove it? HOW ABOUT THAT? IT ONLY MAKES SENSE YOU STUPID FUCK.
BARRlSS 5 months ago in playlist More videos from ConversationWithA
@BARRlSS You comment just shows your hate. Is that the best atheism has to offer? Is the whole world turn into a place where rants, hate and violence are the norm and a way of living? Is this the world you want for your descendants? Atheists also make claims like: theists are deluded, the Bible is a fairy tale and God doesn't exists among others. Those claims required evidence, otherwise are faith claims. Why substituting one religion for another? If you think you're smart bring the evidence
dejesusluisx 5 months ago