i want apple to make a blue ray dvr. i think they could make it work were alienware did not. but also i would love to see them go into the game console and make it Sony vs Apple vs Microsoft.
The computer industry, phone industry, game industry, music industry, and MP3 industry. And he's just getting warmed up. It seems as though no matter what Apple gets involved in, they revolutionize. They could come up with the world's best toaster if they wanted to.
It doesn't have to. I was referring to the app store. Games can be bought and received quickly, made quickly with their development kit, and sold at prices far cheaper than those of their competitors (Sony, Nintendo).
OS X was a royal fucking over to Mac's loyal user base. Jobs went from admirable ass hole to just a greedy corporate ass hole. Yet Mac still smokes Windose.
Most of you are fucking NOOBS! When are you going to pull your head out of your fucking ass and realize Macs now have the same fucking parts in them as any other Intel PC out on the whole fucking market? Yes, Apple still makes and manufactures all of the hardware and software with Intel, nvidia, and ati, collaboration, but it's still the same parts as in a PC! Therefore, running Windows on boot camp is just partitioning your hard drive, that's all boot camp is you fucking noobs. Runs native!
Rethorcal question : can you run Windows 95 on ANY Core 2 Duo, Core i5, i7 PC?
No!!
Those more than 14Years *old* Windows Versions run Perfectly in virtual Machines (VMWare, Parallels, Virtual Box) and Wine based solutions have absolutely no problem running those last millenium apps.
Why the Fuck would You in 2009 want to run Windows 1995?
Do you have some sort of Windows Museum at Home?
That was to be expected as Living in the past seems to be some sort of rule for you :
Yes if it has the drivers to do so, probably best on a single core machine.
Dos does not work fine in a virtual machine, you most be on acid when you came up with that. Either way its impossible for a mac to run all Windows applications.
I don't give a shit about you hated older software, you made a claim and I proved you wrong.
You prove nothing you just stated the Obvious : You can't seriously consider installing a 14years old OS on an Actual computer.
as of This DOS masturbation I really don't see any *real world* situation where such ancient piece of software would need to access peripheral not avalaible to *Any* Virtual Machine , unless you start to pick up Museum piece of hardware and I/O such as Parallel and serial ports
You say museum pieces of hardware like serial ports and parallel ports. But a lot of electronics hobbyists have to have serial and parallel ports for their projects. Certainly in the ham-radio community this is very true.
Often they'll be using an old Pentium or Pentium II PC running DOS or Windows 3.1 or Windows 95. Because virtualisation doesn't offer the low-level access or the accurate timing need for some projects. USB to serial/parallel converters are often a no-go as well.
'Why the Fuck would You in 2009 want to run Windows 1995?' Why indeed?
Because may will have a specialised application which doesn't run on XP, Vista or 7. Where there is no modern equivalent. Or it's just not economically viable to make a modern equivalent. An example I came across recently was a company making fairground organ music. They have an old Windows 3.1 machine controlling the punch machine via the parallel-port. The software for that does not work on modern Windows versions.
Very rarely do I agree with AppleSoldier. He's usually so full of shit and flame bait it's embarrassing. However, this time he is right. Steve Jobs has made it his mission to control where the industry goes. Everyone else is just a "me too."
Even if your a PC guy and cant stand Apple, you cannot deny just how great a leader and busi ness man Steve Jobs is. its seems whatever he turns his hands to does well. his business models may not be to everyones taste but that has never stopped apple from dominating there chosen markets
Bill Gates left before Vista therefore, vista was not his fault. (Just thought I would share that, just to make the point that Bill Gates was way better than Steve Ballmer), But Steve Jobs has revolutionized the industry, so I wouldnt say Gates is greater the Jobs, but they definitely are great leaders in tech world, But since Gates left M$, M$ is going down hill. : ( Oh well. Guess thats makes room for linux and ubuntu lol.
Means that Vista was not Bill's fault. Steve Ballmer did rebound on Windows 7. Apple uses lock-in tactics today, how do you like that?
Eric Schmidit joined Google's Board of Directors in 2001 and became the CEO in the same year. He only got in Apple's BOD in 2006 and in August 2009, he resigned from his responsibilities at Apple. Google only kicked Microsoft's ass in the online search market. If OpenText realized how big search was going to be back in the mid-1990's, Google would be a big joke.
> Apple uses lock-in tactics today, how do you like that?
Hahahaha, you are a comedian. Which company has been convicted of using "lock in tactics" illegally? I'll give you a hint: the company found guilty of being criminal monopolist is located near Seattle Washington and has an ape for a CEO.
Apple keeps their OS to themselves, forcing people to buy their computers to get the OS on consumer grounds. Of course, MS may also have some lock-in tactics as well.
Hiring Sculley was bad, VERY bad. But Steve had to grow up as a businessman, so he needed something like that to happen.
Yeah, Apple would probably be years ahead of where it is. But, I think Apple's board of directors needed a little humility. They were the ones that sided with Sculley, remember?
Nobody wanted to listen to Steve Jobs at Apple.
So, they needed a near-bankruptcy to wake them up. That's why they brought Steve Back.
Yes, Steve did need that. But he also seemed to learn more with more experience. And NextStep and Pixar did give him more experience.
Apple's BOD at that time sided with Sculley because Jobs proposed into hiring 5 low-level Apple employees to build a new company that will build PCs better than Apple's at a higher price, eliminating competition. However, the employees were not low-level, they were employees that knew the secrets of Apple Computer.
1 & 2 were established in the 80's and 90's. Xbox 360 became a hit because it dominated online game play. But it's still struggling against Nintendo & Sony in international markets, espescially in Asia and Western Europe.
Outside of these three markets, Microsoft has struggled in everything else.
Let's not forget MS completely abandoned the Live platform (Search Engine, Internet Security, Cloud Computing & Advertising) and scrapped the concept and went with Bing (Search Engine & small scale advertising).
Cloud computing is now on their back burn (arguably the fastest growing market in tech) and Google, Amazon, Cisco & Apple are taking major chunks of market share.
Cloud computing? What happens if the web services gets hijacked by hackers? The economy will fall, because so many businesses will depend on cloud computing if it dominates everything else.
MS use to dominate cloud computing... they still do in the Business sector. MS NT/Xp/03/08 Server is used in alot of businesses (not sure the %) and the business model is alive and well.
MS abandoned Cloud Computing for consumers when they overhauled MS Live. I think they plan to get back in it again with Bing, but I'm not sure.
MS search engine and the Zune entered a market that was already dominated.
Comparing the Zune marketplace to iTunes is dumb. You get all songs by subscribing to the ZM for $15 a month while you pay 1 dollar for a song. Rhapsody is a much better comparison to the ZM.
If the EU can force MS to give people a choice about browsers, then they can also force Apple to give a choice between Safari and Firefox.
Look up iPhone Market share and you'll find that they account for 17% of all new mobile phone sales world wide. The US market share is not exact yet, but researchers believe it to be between 30%-40% (according to IDC).
Nokia dominates phone sales worldwide, but they encorporate many different OS platforms from other companies.
I think Microsoft would have been first. What I don't understand though is why MS don't release Zune worldwide, I'm sure it would be a great success. Here in Europe AFAICT iPod is less dominant, one sees a good range of different makes of DAP. Walkman is very popular here.
Oh and remember Napster? That was a huge hit in the 90's & early 2000's, but the Government shut that down. Now a wierd Napster business model exists.
Apple wasn't first. Sony (through Columbia) and Universal were trying to create their own online music download store, but it failed miserably and was discontinued before Apple iTunes existed.
I think you'll find that Symbian is still the dominant mobile OS world wide, with over 50%. I know it's a good deal less in the USA, mainly because Symbian phones don't tend to be offered by the carriers there. I think Google Android is the upcoming one to watch though.
I agree, Google Android looks amazing. My friend just bought the Motorola Droid and it's just as good as the iPhone's OS. Well, minus the iTunes/App Store interface.
Hardware business? You mean the server farms they're creating all over the world? Sure I agree with that.
Xbox Live is largely successful in the states but language barriers are part of the problem in Asia & Western European markets. Sony online is mostly free with some titles requiring service fees.
DirectX is part of the OS now and is not sold as it's own program. Hotmail is free and Gmail has a larger market share.
Yeah, their accessories sell pretty well, but they don't dominate that market. It's pretty even between MS, Belkin, Targus, Kensington & Logitech.
Not Skype, I mean their language platform on Xbox Live. I use to live in Korea for a couple years and Xbox Live in Korean is terrible! It's even worse in Japanese. You think they'd have this figured out since Windows is great in these languages.
Free email services isn't really a market. MS Exchange dominates business markets though.
Yes, the PS2 had large sales because it dominated the GCN and Xbox in the last generation. Hey, today the PS2 is still not dying, which is impressive. But it should die with the release of the PS3 Slim.
I can easily say that HP and Dell both have more market share than Apple and that they both are in several other markets. Apple's main revenue, however, is from the iPod, iTunes and iPhone.
Michael Dell is richer than Steve Jobs. Hewlett-Packard is the largest tech company today.
Apple's Q4 09 (in Billions) Computers (Desktop+notebook) 3.96B iPod+Music 2.58B iPhone 2.3B Peripheral, softwares and services 1.04B I'd say the core business of Apple is still Computer Hardware+software (3.96+1.04=5) even if IPhone+iPod is gaining (2.58+2.3=4.88) As for Michael Dell being richer than Jobs, a simple reminder of their respective companies values (Mkt Capital in Billions) : Dell : 29.06B HP : 116.56B HP+Dell : 145.62 Apple 175.B
doesn't mean HP has no value as a real Tech company (HP-UX, workstations, server, etc)
I just said that Dell and HP make their money selling cheap and cheaper Hardware with less and lesser value and both pay their Microsoft taxes (EOM Windows licence on each PC sold regardless of the fact that It's actually sold with Linux, Windows or something else)
And both need to sell a lot more Units to actually earn the same benefits Apple earns
No, the corporate world suck and you brought up this stuff.
Apple Tax is not a Microsoft invention, Apple's laptops are all overpriced. The tax is in the overpriced hardware.
MS believes that other companies can do the rest, unlike Apple that thinks that they can seize the computer and OS market. Since when did OEM companies paid for a Windows license even though it shipped with Linux?
Please match every specs (I/O ; Wheight ; LCD quality/resolution ; CPU/GPU, Size/weight; overall quality) Then watch the price of the REAL comparable PC avalaible
Apple's solutions are not overpriced, Apple just don't offer under equipped overweighted/oversized machines (miniaturisation/quality build I/O DO cost money).
MS has been doing that for ages,and reflected clearly at Dell, HP sotres untill recently when Configuring a PC with Linux didn't lowered price.
Sure you can get cheaper computers but they are most of the time of lesser value anyway (less performance, larger casing, heavier).
Apple chose not to compete on cheap hardware, Apple's focus is on on consumer and prosummer : They're selling their stuff to people, wheras HP, Dell, MS target business, companies : Not people.
It doesn't matter, people buy these Pentium PCs, does Apple offer budget computers? No
Apple's focus is to make MS look bad with their slanders campaign and keep their OS for themselves, forcing people to buy their overpriced computers in order to use Mac OS X. HP, Dell and MS are there for competition, and we win under competition, they also sell their low to high-end stuff to us.
Budget Computer only last for a short time I had a HP for 6 months Lagged like crazy and I friends who had the first macbook pro its still pretty fast
LOL there is no man on earth who wouldn't want to get good stuff for free or for less money that It's sold, does that mean they all are moneyless or otherwise?
-no
Do you work for cheap?
Even the cheapest computer is still a lot of money...
HP, Dell do also sell higher priced Computers does that mean those are only for the rich
That question is sensless, I don't know how to turn it around
all Linux distributions use the ELF binary format. Mac OS X uses Mach-O.
You're right in saying that binaries compiled for one Linux distribution may or may not run on another. But this has more to do with dependencies than "binary structure."
even if OS X's userland is laid out exactly the same as Debian's, binaries won't be compatible as OS X does not use a Linux kernel.
If only Stupidity was avalaible on Stock Market You'd be a major share holder and rich...
And from your comment I suddenly doubt you even kow VMWare wich is avalaible on WIndows
FYI VMWare, Parallels are able to run WIndows 1 to Windos 7 and all inbetween with all the bells and whisles (Aero) and desktopless, The only limitation adressable with Bootcamp is accessing DirectX 10 and 11.
Even a Professionnal gamer wou'd sound less stupid than you Sir
You can't run all Windows apps in vmware because running dos in a virtual machine is epic fail, plus Virtualization still does not have perfect emulation of hardware. plus you can run direct x11 so you owned yourself without my help. thanks for owning yourself and Thanks for all the Fish =D
No you can't run all Windows apps, no matter how hard you try, you will never be able to run them all on a single mac, because it lacks peripherals, and has no drivers to run old versions of Windows natively to run specific apps.
PC>Mac for running the most Windows Apps. Vmware can't run every app, especially dos applications. I never claimed Windows 7 could run everything dumb ass, I said macs can't run every single Windows app. they can't so I win.
An actual mac can not do as much as an actual Pc, can you run Windows 95 with full support like many Pc's can? nope you can't.
You can't run all dos apps on Windows Xp, and its not native either on Xp anyway. You have to Have Dos on your Machine, you can't run DOS well on a Mac because there is no support for it.
Some businesses still run very old applications, some still run Dos systems, so much you know.
Good luck on convincing a business to switch to macs, in a windows environment, idiot
If it uses windows, it's cheap. It's self-evident.
Funny how you windorks complain that Macs are costly, but when it comes to enterprise using the cheapest junk they can get away with, suddenly windows oem pcs aren't cheap anymore. You're at once hilarious and incoherent.
Most enterprise users use windows oem pcs. Ergo, cheap shit.
RIP :(
JellyTheDonut12 4 months ago
Steve job getting older than before, he work too hard
tatatamaya54000 2 years ago
i want apple to make a blue ray dvr. i think they could make it work were alienware did not. but also i would love to see them go into the game console and make it Sony vs Apple vs Microsoft.
njmersch 2 years ago
steve jobs is the is the best CEO in the world
WARZONEfilms 2 years ago
I'll leave game to my console.
RetributionCore 2 years ago
The computer industry, phone industry, game industry, music industry, and MP3 industry. And he's just getting warmed up. It seems as though no matter what Apple gets involved in, they revolutionize. They could come up with the world's best toaster if they wanted to.
SunriseInTheMidwest 2 years ago 4
Game industry? Apple hasn't sold a console since the 90s (and it wasn't that impressive)
thebsdguy 2 years ago
It doesn't have to. I was referring to the app store. Games can be bought and received quickly, made quickly with their development kit, and sold at prices far cheaper than those of their competitors (Sony, Nintendo).
SunriseInTheMidwest 2 years ago
@thebsdguy iPod Touch
drummerkid1993 2 years ago
That isn't a console.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
@thebsdguy He didn't say consoles though did he. He said gaming.
drummerkid1993 2 years ago
so if apple revolutionized gaming, why aren't we seeing this industry-wide?
thebsdguy 2 years ago
steve jobs is the shiz
dumbpeoplefighting 2 years ago
And "elitist scumbag" -- I LOLed at that. The windork's nerd-rage infused attempt at an original riposte.
Hilarious.
sklanger 2 years ago
Apple should open more stores in Germany...
SvenBoy1994 2 years ago
OS X was a royal fucking over to Mac's loyal user base. Jobs went from admirable ass hole to just a greedy corporate ass hole. Yet Mac still smokes Windose.
byblosadvocate 2 years ago
there's only 275? does this count the stores in malls?
KnackForMac 2 years ago
good video steve jobs good man :)
b00nsmoviesss 2 years ago
EPIC!
donodare 2 years ago
Most of you are fucking NOOBS! When are you going to pull your head out of your fucking ass and realize Macs now have the same fucking parts in them as any other Intel PC out on the whole fucking market? Yes, Apple still makes and manufactures all of the hardware and software with Intel, nvidia, and ati, collaboration, but it's still the same parts as in a PC! Therefore, running Windows on boot camp is just partitioning your hard drive, that's all boot camp is you fucking noobs. Runs native!
ViciousDave4Life 2 years ago
You do know wheres a thing called Boot camp which make a partition and runs full operating system and not a virtual one. . .
BennysDesign 2 years ago
Can you run Windows 95 with full support in bootcamp...
Nope, See my point?
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
Rethorcal question : can you run Windows 95 on ANY Core 2 Duo, Core i5, i7 PC?
No!!
Those more than 14Years *old* Windows Versions run Perfectly in virtual Machines (VMWare, Parallels, Virtual Box) and Wine based solutions have absolutely no problem running those last millenium apps.
Why the Fuck would You in 2009 want to run Windows 1995?
Do you have some sort of Windows Museum at Home?
That was to be expected as Living in the past seems to be some sort of rule for you :
DOS, now Win95
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Yes if it has the drivers to do so, probably best on a single core machine.
Dos does not work fine in a virtual machine, you most be on acid when you came up with that. Either way its impossible for a mac to run all Windows applications.
I don't give a shit about you hated older software, you made a claim and I proved you wrong.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
You prove nothing you just stated the Obvious : You can't seriously consider installing a 14years old OS on an Actual computer.
as of This DOS masturbation I really don't see any *real world* situation where such ancient piece of software would need to access peripheral not avalaible to *Any* Virtual Machine , unless you start to pick up Museum piece of hardware and I/O such as Parallel and serial ports
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You say museum pieces of hardware like serial ports and parallel ports. But a lot of electronics hobbyists have to have serial and parallel ports for their projects. Certainly in the ham-radio community this is very true.
Often they'll be using an old Pentium or Pentium II PC running DOS or Windows 3.1 or Windows 95. Because virtualisation doesn't offer the low-level access or the accurate timing need for some projects. USB to serial/parallel converters are often a no-go as well.
mukatuna 2 years ago
'Why the Fuck would You in 2009 want to run Windows 1995?' Why indeed?
Because may will have a specialised application which doesn't run on XP, Vista or 7. Where there is no modern equivalent. Or it's just not economically viable to make a modern equivalent. An example I came across recently was a company making fairground organ music. They have an old Windows 3.1 machine controlling the punch machine via the parallel-port. The software for that does not work on modern Windows versions.
mukatuna 2 years ago
THanks for that reasoned answer (and sorry for the WTF) :P
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Erm why would you want to do such a thing as run Windows 95 in Bootcamp? Except maybe for some hardcore nerd geek retro-computing project.
mukatuna 2 years ago
You're right to define that, I assumed he knew, but apparently for Him BootCamp is another virtualisation solution
In detail Bootcamp is a set of tools that :
- Partition primary drive
- Install low level tools allowing the EFi Mac to run BIOS OS (Vista 64 SP1 can run on EFi platform, same goes for Seven 64bit)
-Provide a set of Windows driver for Mac components (also avalaible on the Install Disc [ISO9600 partion] that comes with the Mac)
Hypothesard 2 years ago
R.I.P. ... =(
OriginallyMasked 2 years ago
RIP who?
Steve Jobs is not dead yet, far from It.
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Take your dick out of steve jobs mouth.
tommywomble 2 years ago
What is it with you guys and the homoerotic fantasies?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
i have to admit
steve jobs
is the shit
in the good way
luis61961944 2 years ago
Haha... Steve Blowjobs... isnt he 6 feet under yet?
FrankRizzo6662 2 years ago
He changed the world he's a genius!
sirleebzxx25 2 years ago
apple+cellphone industry=awesome
apple+computer industry=awesome
apple+music industry=awesome
steve jobs+film industry=pixar=awesome
apple+gaming industry=awesome??
footfary 2 years ago
Very rarely do I agree with AppleSoldier. He's usually so full of shit and flame bait it's embarrassing. However, this time he is right. Steve Jobs has made it his mission to control where the industry goes. Everyone else is just a "me too."
arthursucks 2 years ago
Even if your a PC guy and cant stand Apple, you cannot deny just how great a leader and busi ness man Steve Jobs is. its seems whatever he turns his hands to does well. his business models may not be to everyones taste but that has never stopped apple from dominating there chosen markets
InnovationJunkie 2 years ago
Bill Gates left before Vista therefore, vista was not his fault. (Just thought I would share that, just to make the point that Bill Gates was way better than Steve Ballmer), But Steve Jobs has revolutionized the industry, so I wouldnt say Gates is greater the Jobs, but they definitely are great leaders in tech world, But since Gates left M$, M$ is going down hill. : ( Oh well. Guess thats makes room for linux and ubuntu lol.
macjsus 2 years ago
Bill Gates would be chose if he didn't retired.
How many markets is Microsoft in?
Steve Jobs was an idiot when he hired John Sculley, Bill Gates had his friends: Paul Allen and Steve Ballmer.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
> Bill Gateswould be chose if he didn't retired..
Erm, no. Gates left MS in 2006 just before Vista was launched. How well did that work for you guys?
If it were to go to anyone else other than Steve Jobs, the title might go to Eric Schmidt because Google has kicked MS's ass this past decade.
corkbender 2 years ago
Means that Vista was not Bill's fault. Steve Ballmer did rebound on Windows 7. Apple uses lock-in tactics today, how do you like that?
Eric Schmidit joined Google's Board of Directors in 2001 and became the CEO in the same year. He only got in Apple's BOD in 2006 and in August 2009, he resigned from his responsibilities at Apple. Google only kicked Microsoft's ass in the online search market. If OpenText realized how big search was going to be back in the mid-1990's, Google would be a big joke.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
> Apple uses lock-in tactics today, how do you like that?
Hahahaha, you are a comedian. Which company has been convicted of using "lock in tactics" illegally? I'll give you a hint: the company found guilty of being criminal monopolist is located near Seattle Washington and has an ape for a CEO.
corkbender 2 years ago
Never said that it was illegal.
Apple keeps their OS to themselves, forcing people to buy their computers to get the OS on consumer grounds. Of course, MS may also have some lock-in tactics as well.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Monopolist my ass, I can go out there and buy a zune, or a pc or a black berry, i'm not forced to buy apples products, there just better.
alexwilsonvids 2 years ago
ah, yeah. want to sync your iTunes music with a Zen or Zune? you're shit outta luck there, buddy :)
thebsdguy 2 years ago
>Bill Gates would be chose if he didn't retired.
Um, NO.
The guy made his biggest success in the 80's and 90's. From then on, it was smooth sailing.
That is not even close to taking a company that is dying, breathing life back into it, and making it highly profitable.
Yeah, John Skulley was a very bad decision. But look at what happened. If it wasn't for that, OSX probably wouldn't exist.
Tho Apple would be waaaaaay more popular. The 80's was the time to take control of the market,
sc0pl355 2 years ago
And hiring somebody stupid was good?
The 80's? IBM PC smashed Apple's popularity. Apple never recovered even that the Macintosh was a big hit.
If Steve Jobs was never fired and Sculley never got the CEO title, Apple's would be years ahead than what it is today.
Sorry, I misread the title of the video.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Hiring Sculley was bad, VERY bad. But Steve had to grow up as a businessman, so he needed something like that to happen.
Yeah, Apple would probably be years ahead of where it is. But, I think Apple's board of directors needed a little humility. They were the ones that sided with Sculley, remember?
Nobody wanted to listen to Steve Jobs at Apple.
So, they needed a near-bankruptcy to wake them up. That's why they brought Steve Back.
sc0pl355 2 years ago 2
Yes, Steve did need that. But he also seemed to learn more with more experience. And NextStep and Pixar did give him more experience.
Apple's BOD at that time sided with Sculley because Jobs proposed into hiring 5 low-level Apple employees to build a new company that will build PCs better than Apple's at a higher price, eliminating competition. However, the employees were not low-level, they were employees that knew the secrets of Apple Computer.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Both companies use lock-in tactics.
Beating Microsoft in the online search department isn't a feat. They keep microftizing everything they get involved in.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Microsoft dominates 3 markets:
1) Operating System (Business & Consumer)
2) Productivity Software (MS Office Suite)
3) Xbox 360/Live
1 & 2 were established in the 80's and 90's. Xbox 360 became a hit because it dominated online game play. But it's still struggling against Nintendo & Sony in international markets, espescially in Asia and Western Europe.
Outside of these three markets, Microsoft has struggled in everything else.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Part 2:
Internet Explorer doesn't count because it's a free browser (mainly due to the anti-trust lawsuit that divided Windows & IE)
MS Search Engine has less than 20% market share vs Google
MS Zune has less than a 20% market share vs iPod's 73%
Zune/Media Player Services have less than a 10% market share vs iTunes 79%.
MS Mobile OS has less than 10% market share world wide (less than 20% US) vs RIM's 45% (53% US), Apple's 17% (33% US) and Google's 10% (15% US).
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Part3:
Let's not forget MS completely abandoned the Live platform (Search Engine, Internet Security, Cloud Computing & Advertising) and scrapped the concept and went with Bing (Search Engine & small scale advertising).
Cloud computing is now on their back burn (arguably the fastest growing market in tech) and Google, Amazon, Cisco & Apple are taking major chunks of market share.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Live platform? WMM, WLM, etc. Hello?
Cloud computing? What happens if the web services gets hijacked by hackers? The economy will fall, because so many businesses will depend on cloud computing if it dominates everything else.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
MS use to dominate cloud computing... they still do in the Business sector. MS NT/Xp/03/08 Server is used in alot of businesses (not sure the %) and the business model is alive and well.
MS abandoned Cloud Computing for consumers when they overhauled MS Live. I think they plan to get back in it again with Bing, but I'm not sure.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Getting back at it should get something for Microsoft, but in my opinion, nobody should push it too far.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
With social networking growing fast, I think it's inevitable for Cloud Computing to follow.
Facebook already allows you to save photo albums and movies.
Flickr is a mad house of photo storage
And everyone already uses YouTube.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
It is. But I don't think it should be pushed very far into the enterprise.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
MS search engine and the Zune entered a market that was already dominated.
Comparing the Zune marketplace to iTunes is dumb. You get all songs by subscribing to the ZM for $15 a month while you pay 1 dollar for a song. Rhapsody is a much better comparison to the ZM.
If the EU can force MS to give people a choice about browsers, then they can also force Apple to give a choice between Safari and Firefox.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
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TheWMhater 2 years ago
Look up iPhone Market share and you'll find that they account for 17% of all new mobile phone sales world wide. The US market share is not exact yet, but researchers believe it to be between 30%-40% (according to IDC).
Nokia dominates phone sales worldwide, but they encorporate many different OS platforms from other companies.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Yup Zune's market share is less than 20% in the USA, and it's ZERO everywhere else.
mukatuna 2 years ago
Because Apple was first. If Microsoft was first, wouldn't they dominate the market?
TheWMhater 2 years ago
I think Microsoft would have been first. What I don't understand though is why MS don't release Zune worldwide, I'm sure it would be a great success. Here in Europe AFAICT iPod is less dominant, one sees a good range of different makes of DAP. Walkman is very popular here.
mukatuna 2 years ago
Oh and remember Napster? That was a huge hit in the 90's & early 2000's, but the Government shut that down. Now a wierd Napster business model exists.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Well, there are legal concerns about file sharing, even today.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Yeah, MS should do it ASAP.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Apple wasn't first. Sony (through Columbia) and Universal were trying to create their own online music download store, but it failed miserably and was discontinued before Apple iTunes existed.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
I think you'll find that Symbian is still the dominant mobile OS world wide, with over 50%. I know it's a good deal less in the USA, mainly because Symbian phones don't tend to be offered by the carriers there. I think Google Android is the upcoming one to watch though.
mukatuna 2 years ago
I agree, Google Android looks amazing. My friend just bought the Motorola Droid and it's just as good as the iPhone's OS. Well, minus the iTunes/App Store interface.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Internet Explorer has always been free.
It was seen as a lock-in application.
The original company that made explorer, I feel sorry for them. they got screwed, royally.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
That's why we have Firefox, Chrome, etc. IE is just too slow.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
About Xbox Live, would you pay 50 bucks for a 1 year subscription if Sony offered online gaming for free? I would not.
Microsoft's hardware business, DirectX and Hotmail are not struggling.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Hardware business? You mean the server farms they're creating all over the world? Sure I agree with that.
Xbox Live is largely successful in the states but language barriers are part of the problem in Asia & Western European markets. Sony online is mostly free with some titles requiring service fees.
DirectX is part of the OS now and is not sold as it's own program. Hotmail is free and Gmail has a larger market share.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
No, the mouses and keyboards.
You mean like Skype? Who cares about thing like Skype? Xbox Live still sucks.
So what? Hotmail is not by any means struggling.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
I love Skype.
I used to use Hotmail, but it pissed me off after a while.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Yeah, their accessories sell pretty well, but they don't dominate that market. It's pretty even between MS, Belkin, Targus, Kensington & Logitech.
Not Skype, I mean their language platform on Xbox Live. I use to live in Korea for a couple years and Xbox Live in Korean is terrible! It's even worse in Japanese. You think they'd have this figured out since Windows is great in these languages.
Free email services isn't really a market. MS Exchange dominates business markets though.
DCuerpoJr 2 years ago
Never said they did dominate that market, just saying they're not struggling.
I never liked Xbox Live anyway.
Free email services is the consumer version version of the market. No consumer uses MS Exchange or Google Apps.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
hey, XBL is ok. I don't play online nearly enough tho.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
What I hate about it is that MS charges 50 bucks for that.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Yeah, XBL should be free. I think it would bring the community together better. But, it ain't so bad.
Especially if you buy as many games as I used to.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Um, PS2 still has the largest Marketshare methinks.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
No, it's the Wii, believe it or not. MS had a year advantage but still failed. The reason why Nintendo is winning is because most people are casual.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
The Wii?
Are you sure?
PS2 had 200 million unit sales.
Oh well, at least the PS2 has the most kickass library of titles out of any console.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Yes, the PS2 had large sales because it dominated the GCN and Xbox in the last generation. Hey, today the PS2 is still not dying, which is impressive. But it should die with the release of the PS3 Slim.
The Wii dominates the market today.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Not by unit sales though.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
I sure Dell and HP would agree, but what good does It makes to them?
Apple is wealthier than those 2 combined
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Dell and HP would agree on what?
I can easily say that HP and Dell both have more market share than Apple and that they both are in several other markets. Apple's main revenue, however, is from the iPod, iTunes and iPhone.
Michael Dell is richer than Steve Jobs. Hewlett-Packard is the largest tech company today.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Hypothesard 2 years ago
doesn't mean HP has no value as a real Tech company (HP-UX, workstations, server, etc)
I just said that Dell and HP make their money selling cheap and cheaper Hardware with less and lesser value and both pay their Microsoft taxes (EOM Windows licence on each PC sold regardless of the fact that It's actually sold with Linux, Windows or something else)
And both need to sell a lot more Units to actually earn the same benefits Apple earns
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Micheal Dell is richer than Steve Jobs, check the Forbes 400 list. And I mean by net worth.
I won't dispute the economic situation of the three companies.
Cheaper hardware? Consumers buy what they need and want. HP and Dell still offers high to mid-end hardware.
Microsoft tax? There is the Apple tax on most Macs. Exceptions: iMac, Mac Pro 8-core
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Steve Jobs is probably not the major shareholder of Apple.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Does It matter?
Jobs is not the major Shareholder in Disney either, but still has he been successfull at driving Apple?
Has he been able to Drive successfully Pixar?
Has he been able to put his Pixar team at the head of Disney studios?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Not 'a' major shareholder at disney but is 'The major PERSONNAL sharholder' at disney
Hypothesard 2 years ago
A bad mouth would say that's how we know where Dell value has gone
I'd ask : does It it Matter who has more Billions? At that stage, only personal achievement matters
reminder : Apple Tax is a Microsoft invention.
And that is applied by Apple on Apple's stuff, where is the tax here?
In real world that's called added value (which is no free)
wheras MS business model consist in partnership with OEM who pays Win Licence on every BUILT PC even if when sold that PC ship with Linux
Hypothesard 2 years ago
No, the corporate world suck and you brought up this stuff.
Apple Tax is not a Microsoft invention, Apple's laptops are all overpriced. The tax is in the overpriced hardware.
MS believes that other companies can do the rest, unlike Apple that thinks that they can seize the computer and OS market. Since when did OEM companies paid for a Windows license even though it shipped with Linux?
TheWMhater 2 years ago
"the corporate world suck" O_o
Please match every specs (I/O ; Wheight ; LCD quality/resolution ; CPU/GPU, Size/weight; overall quality) Then watch the price of the REAL comparable PC avalaible
Apple's solutions are not overpriced, Apple just don't offer under equipped overweighted/oversized machines (miniaturisation/quality build I/O DO cost money).
MS has been doing that for ages,and reflected clearly at Dell, HP sotres untill recently when Configuring a PC with Linux didn't lowered price.
Hypothesard 2 years ago
MacBook
$1049
2.26 Intel C2D
2GB DDR3-1066 SDRAM
320GB 5400RPM HDD
1280x800 LED backlit
Nvidia Geforce 9400m G
13.3 inch
TheWMhater 2 years ago
HP dv7t
$949.99
Same CPU
3GB DDR3-1066 SDRAM
320GB HDD 7200RPM
1600x900 LED backlit
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4530
17.3 inch
TheWMhater 2 years ago
I/O, size/weight?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
The 17 inch is obviously more heavy since it's bigger.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Lol no kidding
And that's not comparing oranges to apples?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Sure you can get cheaper computers but they are most of the time of lesser value anyway (less performance, larger casing, heavier).
Apple chose not to compete on cheap hardware, Apple's focus is on on consumer and prosummer : They're selling their stuff to people, wheras HP, Dell, MS target business, companies : Not people.
Hypothesard 2 years ago
It doesn't matter, people buy these Pentium PCs, does Apple offer budget computers? No
Apple's focus is to make MS look bad with their slanders campaign and keep their OS for themselves, forcing people to buy their overpriced computers in order to use Mac OS X. HP, Dell and MS are there for competition, and we win under competition, they also sell their low to high-end stuff to us.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Apple Does Not offer Budget Computers Because they are more likely to fail and Apple does not want to do that
Quote from Steve Jobs 'We Don't know how to make a cheap computer it's not in our blood'
AppleTecFan 2 years ago
But people want budget computers.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Budget Computer only last for a short time I had a HP for 6 months Lagged like crazy and I friends who had the first macbook pro its still pretty fast
*Spec of the Hp Laptop 2.00 GHz 2GB RAM AMD
AppleTecFan 2 years ago
I have a cheap PC that's up and running for a year.
Yeah, it's fast because of its OS, speed doesn't mean everything.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
That's Cool. Its Different for everyone
AppleTecFan 2 years ago
I'm glad for you
So you can understand that different people have different needs and want different things for different reasons?
My Computers are my tools for the work I do, I need them to be reliable, to do what I need, when I need and as fast as possible.
I'm not you, I'm different, I need different things
Hypothesard 2 years ago
And I am different too.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
do you understand that you're comparing apples to oranges? (no pun intended)
Hypothesard 2 years ago
How come?
TheWMhater 2 years ago
No pwn intended either.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
I didn't stated otherwise to the contrary
I implyied Everyone have Different Needs (you included if that was Your ocncern)
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Some people want Budget computer
some people want Gaming rigs
some people want Custom build
some people want high end computers
etc.
Apple doesn't want Budget clients
Hypothesard 2 years ago
But there's are a lot of people who wants budget PCs. So does that mean that Macs are a tool of the rich?
TheWMhater 2 years ago
LOL there is no man on earth who wouldn't want to get good stuff for free or for less money that It's sold, does that mean they all are moneyless or otherwise?
-no
Do you work for cheap?
Even the cheapest computer is still a lot of money...
HP, Dell do also sell higher priced Computers does that mean those are only for the rich
That question is sensless, I don't know how to turn it around
Hypothesard 2 years ago
No, I work for what I need.
No, they don't overprice their high-end laptops like Apple does.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
are you shure about what you're stating?
Do they have an exact match of Apple's high-end laptop for you to assume they don't charge the same money for the same product?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You have to compare high-end to high-end not crap to high-end. That MacBook vs HP dv7t example just proves that MacBooks are overpriced.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
Yeah and comparing a 17" to a entry level 13" achieve just to do that according to you?
Sure why not
Be happy
Hypothesard 2 years ago
The cheapest computer is not a lot of money.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
how many days can you eat with the money that the cheapest computer costs?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You work for what you need
Interesting phrasing
I do work to pay the flat and other bills, feed my family and get some good time with my family
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Good for you, no sarcasm here.
You do work for what you need, but I don't need the high end computers.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
you don't need high end computer but yet still complain about high end computer pricing.... or ultra portable pricing... or workstation pricing...
interesting
Hypothesard 2 years ago
I was talking about Apple's pricing not HP, Dell, etc.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
then a lower imac model is perfect...
aegnt09 2 years ago
Unless if you don't have any intense apps.
TheWMhater 2 years ago
?
final cut studio
adobe master suite
all windows apps...
aegnt09 2 years ago
- all windows apps
thanks to VMWare, Parallels (Virtual Box) CadeWeaver (all of with need to thanks the linux community for the WINE project)
+
Let's not forget :
Most of the linux apps through X11 (Thanks to FreeBSD/NeXT legacy and the UNIX certification)
Cheers :P
Hypothesard 2 years ago
regardless... it still does it.
aegnt09 2 years ago
long time no see Hypo.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
yeah busy :P
Hypothesard 2 years ago
yeah, I hear that.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
OS X doesn't run native Linux binaries.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
I think he was talking about the apps that have been recompiled to run in OSX.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Recompiled apps that run on OS X? Yes, lets totally port our apps to the GAY Unix.
UbuntuLee 2 years ago
I care so little for what you have to say lee
sc0pl355 2 years ago
No one cares what a macfag has to say so stfu nigger.
UbuntuLee 2 years ago
Oh look. Lee said something homosexual and racist.
Hey Lee, if you want me to STFU, why don't you MAKE me STFU.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Darwin Port or getting sources from rep then recompiling them
If not "native* linux app" the result is the same
*Even among Linux distros there are various types of binaries, OSX being closer to debian structure.
Cheers
Hypothesard 2 years ago
all Linux distributions use the ELF binary format. Mac OS X uses Mach-O.
You're right in saying that binaries compiled for one Linux distribution may or may not run on another. But this has more to do with dependencies than "binary structure."
even if OS X's userland is laid out exactly the same as Debian's, binaries won't be compatible as OS X does not use a Linux kernel.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
noted
But my point was about OSX being able to run *nearly* any Linux app not about how (recompiling them from source or downloading the Darwin Ports).
Hypothesard 2 years ago
you can't run all windows apps fail.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
Nitively (BootCamp) or via Virtual Machine (VMWare, Parallels, Virtual Box) or even through WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator)
Sure a Mac Can run ANY Windows apps a simililare PC would run (not talking about runing Flame™, Smoke™ on a Mac mini even if...)
Apple Computers use Intel CPU 2006 remember?
I'm not responsible for your lack of knowledge
Hypothesard 2 years ago
Bootcamp is for fags. Real men use Linux.
UbuntuLee 2 years ago
running Windows 95 in a virtual machine. HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA
I am sure you can run Windows 95 just fine in bootcamp haha haha
you will never be able to run all Windows apps on a mac, because macs are inferior kittens to the superior beige'n black'n boxes.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
Ok, you being so superior (snicker) run Final Cut in windows.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
If only Stupidity was avalaible on Stock Market You'd be a major share holder and rich...
And from your comment I suddenly doubt you even kow VMWare wich is avalaible on WIndows
FYI VMWare, Parallels are able to run WIndows 1 to Windos 7 and all inbetween with all the bells and whisles (Aero) and desktopless, The only limitation adressable with Bootcamp is accessing DirectX 10 and 11.
Even a Professionnal gamer wou'd sound less stupid than you Sir
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You can't run all Windows apps in vmware because running dos in a virtual machine is epic fail, plus Virtualization still does not have perfect emulation of hardware. plus you can run direct x11 so you owned yourself without my help. thanks for owning yourself and Thanks for all the Fish =D
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
can't run direct x11 in a virtual machine, sorry for the typo its dark and its a netbook =D
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
you said "you will never be able to run all Windows apps on a mac"
I described to you How to indeed run them All *ON A MAC*
Bootcamp Is part of that solution for running *ALL Windows Apps on a Mac*
About running *DOS* Apps : I don't do Archeology thanks.
How bad does your finger smell?
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You can't run all Windows apps, Windows was based on DOS, so a DOS app can be considered a Windows app. Since you can't run all the apps you failed,
Where did you go? I saw a manhole, I guess you fell in the untreated part of the sewage treatment plant.
Oh Well...
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
Do yourself a favor and go DL VMWare for windows (free) and run more test before posting your phony *opinions* here
Since VMWare/Parallels + Bootcamp (2006-2007), I never encountered a *REAL WORLD* situation where I couldn't run an App.
What's next you'll gloat about Mac not having 5.25" Floppy?
as of DOS you implicitly stated It yourself : DOS is no More at all since Seven (already baldy stripped down in Vista)
Hypothesard 2 years ago
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XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
No you can't run all Windows apps, no matter how hard you try, you will never be able to run them all on a single mac, because it lacks peripherals, and has no drivers to run old versions of Windows natively to run specific apps.
PC>Mac for running the most Windows Apps. Vmware can't run every app, especially dos applications. I never claimed Windows 7 could run everything dumb ass, I said macs can't run every single Windows app. they can't so I win.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
So you're a winer good for you
Winner mouahah.
Thanks for making me laugh I'm sure It was a hard task
Hypothesard 2 years ago
You lost. I Win, The cake is a lie, I made you laugh because it showed how stupid you are.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
No I laugh because you act like a child arguing with himself.
And because you don't seems to realize that *Actual Mac* can do as much as *Actual PC*
And none of them can rune *natively* Windows apps that can't be run in WinXP same goes about your belove DOS apps.
Running those apps is not an issue working proffesionnaly with people relying on those antiquities is.
Good luck to you if that's how you intend to find a job (attitude and lack of solid arguments)
Hypothesard 2 years ago
An actual mac can not do as much as an actual Pc, can you run Windows 95 with full support like many Pc's can? nope you can't.
You can't run all dos apps on Windows Xp, and its not native either on Xp anyway. You have to Have Dos on your Machine, you can't run DOS well on a Mac because there is no support for it.
Some businesses still run very old applications, some still run Dos systems, so much you know.
Good luck on convincing a business to switch to macs, in a windows environment, idiot
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
"About running *DOS* Apps : I don't do Archeology thanks."
LOL. You rearranged his face right there.
sklanger 2 years ago
Sorry mac fag, learn what computers businesses use. its not very often macs, I am sorry. Some still run Dos apps.
Macs can not run every single Windows App, and never will at its current state.
XXASCII808XX 2 years ago
Sorry douchetard, most businesses use the cheapest junk they can get away with. Just like most cab companies use cheap cars.
The fact that businesses tend not to use luxury cars doesn't mean that the cheap junk you use > luxury cars.
I've rearranged your face again. Keep crying, wintard. Ahahaha.
sklanger 2 years ago
no they don't. maybe your workplace uses cheap shit, but mine doesn't.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
If it uses windows, it's cheap. It's self-evident.
Funny how you windorks complain that Macs are costly, but when it comes to enterprise using the cheapest junk they can get away with, suddenly windows oem pcs aren't cheap anymore. You're at once hilarious and incoherent.
Most enterprise users use windows oem pcs. Ergo, cheap shit.
Don't kid yourself.
sklanger 2 years ago
so are all windows PCs cheap?
thebsdguy 2 years ago