if not for the Spaniards, there would not even be a Filipino nation to speak of... modern day Filipinos are product of the Spanish acculturation...i myself totally embrace the Spanish aspects of our Filipino identity including the names, values, language, food etc...to my Filipino brothers, just love who we are as a people...no need to adopt new cultures...we are unique that way
@TrueHonestHistory Y aunque en 1863 se instaurara la educación publica, tienes que tener en cuenta que la alfabetización de un país es un proceso lento y difícil (más si tenemos en cuanta que Filipinas es un archipielago de más de 7000 islas). En España la educación pública también se instauró por esas fechas y aún así en 1900 el analfabetismo neto era todavía del 56% de la población.
@TrueHonestHistory Sencillo, por la población, aunque haya varios millones de hispanohablantes, filipinas es un país superpoblado. había muchísimos más millones que no hablaban español. Fíjate que actualmente aproximadamente 3 millones de filipinos hispanohabalantes, filipinas actualmente es un país de 94 millones de habitantes. es decir, el porcentaje de hispanohablantes es muy bajo.
Otra contradicción: "El idioma de los antiguos colonizadores (el español) hoy vuelve a ganar hablantes, quizá porque hoy nadie lo está imponiendo".. Pero vamos a ver, no acaba usted de decir unos minutos antes (por medio del señor entrevistado) que "los españoles no enseñaron el español a los filipinos? En qué quedamos, ¿se negaron a enseñarlo, o lo impusieron? Aclárense.
@TrueHonestHistory La colonización española empezó en 1565 y lo de la educación fue en 1863, ahí tienes casi 300 años donde no se impuso el idioma, quedando relegada mayoritariamente en el área de Manila que era donde se concentraba los Españoles, en el resto de territorios el español era casi testimonial (estamos hablando de un archipielago de más de 7000 islas).
Otro mito: "Lo que no consiguió la dominación española en casi 400 años lo lograron los invasores norteamericanos en menos de 50". Afirmación errónea. Ni la educación pública ni la enseñanza de un idioma común existían en ningún país del mundo hasta el siglo XIX. Eso es un concepto moderno. Hay que entender el contexto histórico señor. El objetivo del gobierno español no fue "enseñar el español", pero ni en la península ni fuera de ella, hasta 1863 cuando se creó un sistema de educación pública.
Véase otra contradicción: si "el español era el idioma de las élites" y "nunca se extendió entre la población", como es que había "varios millones de hablantes de español en aquella época" (finales del siglo XIX) o más de "cuarenta publicaciones periódicas en castellano"? Si no se extendió el español, quien leía todos estos periódicos? Estas afirmaciones se caen por su propio peso. Cuestionémonos un poco estos mitos sobre la historia de Filipinas.
Algunas imprecisiones en este video, fruto sobre todo de los mitos sobre la historia de Filipinas. Por ejemplo esta contradicción: "Aunque el español nunca se extendió entre la población [...] los primeros nacionalistas como Jose Rizal escribieron sus obras en español". Si es verdad que el español no se extendió ¿porque Rizal y los demás nacionalistas usaron el español en sus obras? ¿No querían que las leyera nadie?
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I hate the government, they're trying to be like americans, speaking english in government, media and schools, they use to speak spanish and taught them in schools but now its all english. The schools teach that the spanish were oppressors? i dont think they are, without them we would all be killing each other because we were warring tribes and the religion brought us all together into one nation
Too bad for you, Spanish is along with English two of the most spoken languages around the world. Spanish language open up your mind to new oportunities
@UmbraGeist "Now, you either answer my question or keep your mouth shut and don't beg for my attention, you piece of garbage."
Such talk from someone who is only producing garbage :D I'm not begging for attention, I thought you already left... You're the one begging for attention here, with your constant returns.
@UmbraGeist I didn't recall you using "hypocrite" first lol, perhaps you did, but let's be more mature here... Does it honestly matter who's first with terms like "hypocrite"? I could understand if it's a comeback, but not just one single word...
@UmbraGeist Funny you use replies that are obviously more appropriate when used against you, so it took you this long to make that comeback? Lol, umadbro?
Here's the thing, you were the only one who said you were leaving, not I. So honor what you said, and leave, and stop being a hypocrite, because you are the one who is whining, not I ;)
And stop using terms that you obviously don't know the meaning of, like naysayer, dumbasses who use terms like such are still looked upon as dumbasses.
@UmbraGeist "Accusing me of being someone else? That is a cowardly tactic... shame on you. You're utterly desperate." It's just a suspicion, you could always be just some random idiot. Nontheless, I have no idea how that's "cowardly" at all... You shouldn't even be worried about that unless you are actually said person.
@UmbraGeist "How will you show Filipinos of these cultures and treasures? You are ignorant yourself... haha."
I think your comments speak for themselves... I was open to at least some of what you say, whilst you only accept one of what I said, which was actually just a direct repeat of what you said :P
"I'll just end this discussion here... you look so pitiful trying to justify yourself with your insipid replies." Good, no one's going to miss you, lol.
@UmbraGeist "And yes, I will say this again, Filipino inferiority complex - YOU and many others have it. XD"
Accepting the bad reality, is not inferiority complex at all, but trying to be like a foreigner, instead of acknowledging your own culture, IS inferiority complex. Distinguish the difference.
Btw, you sound and act very similar to FilipinoUnggoy ;) You create an account only a few days old, you come here specifically to attack me, like you always do, hehe.
@UmbraGeist "Didn't you just say you Filipinos try to be like the West? There is no mention of "should". You lack reading comprehension - a trait common in you dumb Filipinos. LOL!"
Someone obviously fails at reading... Jeeze, let me explain it again for you, and I promise to go slow for you... You agreed that many Filipinos want to be like the west, and then tried to say that I was one of those Filipinos, and then I disputed that because clearly, I do not... Understand now?
@UmbraGeist "The Philippines serves as an example of what happens when you let foreign influence take over." And this is why I aim to show Filipinos the hidden culture and treasures they have, we've always had our own cultures, but yet many Filipinos unfairly and ignorantly use something foreign, Just now is baybayin seeing a revival, that enough tells how bad this situation is.
@UmbraGeist "No, I haven't. Why don't you share a source or reference you know of and post it here."
Just google "Luções", you will find what I am referring to... If you understand Philippine history, you shouldn't have no problem of this whatsoever, if you don't know this part of our history, you shouldn't be here, arguing with me, lol. You clearly have no ground to argue on now... -_- All along, arguing with a clueless moron...
@UmbraGeist "You were the one yapping about Christians in Nagasaki, Japan, hmm? So, I responded by educating you. Filipino naysayer is a naysayer. LOL!"
Only a naysayer if it isn't true, and it is true, and is relevant to the part of history I was giving, which you clearly failed to understand, let me type it again.
@UmbraGeist "especially with the surge of East Asian pop culture within your country (K-Pop, J-Pop, etc.). And again, perhaps you're an example of that. LOL!"
Can't change whatever popular demand wants, I really don't understand what you're not getting at here, we're neighbors, it's not surprising really... Although we really should work on our own, we are quite capable of doing so.
"And do you not understand the word "prominent"?"
I am not sure if you do yourself, go read my reply again :P
@UmbraGeist "perhaps, YOU are a good example of that"
I never said we should be like the west, did I? Please maintain consistency here... Stop trying to twist my words when it's been obvious you've been caught.
"(Filipino inferiority complex, I must say)" You mean the very same complex you've been trying to cleverly place upon me? Lol, you argue against it, yet you love seeing it happen, fail logic is fail.
@UmbraGeist (continued)"You're just going to have to accept it." There are obviously people with differing opinions, the south east and east asians you've met, and I've met, are obviously ones with conflicting opinion, and besides, most of the ones I ask are ones who have studied and visited the Philippines a lot, whether personally or professionally, you are just going to have to accept that :P
@UmbraGeist Naysayer? Have you never heard of the portuguese explorers who found the kingdom of Luzon? LOL, did you honestly think the Spanish were the only ones who explored the Philippines? xD
"Christianity in Japan is a minority religion" No one is disputing this, and it's not relevant to our discussion, now is it? I'm giving you a history lesson, not trying to argue for the Japanese christians...
@UmbraGeist (continued, 2nd time) and try so hard to compare ourselves to East Asia? No, actually, it's more like we try so hard to BE LIKE THE WEST, which makes no sense at all. Why? Let's see, just take a look at the media and the entertainment industry, they try so hard to copy America, yet they get absolutely no benefit whatsoever from doing so,infact morally they are hindering themselves even more.
And prominent architecture? Ever seen Coconut Palace? :P Odd name, but epic nontheless
@UmbraGeist (continued) Hmm, if east asians, or any other from Asia for that matter see us as such, then why do they try so hard to show us our deep cultures that sadly, they are even aware of, that Filipinos themselves don't know? Let's let them speak for themselves, not you, not I. See how I did not unfairly generalize my own opinion over other people, thinking they see this as well, I'm only claiming what I've witnessed.
@UmbraGeist You seem to not be able to comprehend anything :P I wasn't making any "excuses", nice try at twisting my words... And like I said, you don't know much about the Philippines at all, if Spain wasn't here, the Portuguese would've been the "christianizers", they were already actively doing such, as they were doing to Japanese in Nagasaki.
@UmbraGeist (continued, read my last 2 replies) And yeah, Filipinos do belong in Asia, we may have dragged ourselves further and further downwards, but that just means our rise will show an even bigger achievment, rising from such a mundane state. The various peoples of the Philippines are quite capable of bringing themselves up, I know not why they don't understand their own potential.
@UmbraGeist (continued) but then it was abused for colonization purposes. And it seems you don't know anything about our culture really, our cuisine is from many of our neighbors, China being probably the biggest contributor. And correction, our identity is not from Spain, but from our ethnic groups. And funny you mention architecture, the commonly known "bahay na bato" was not from Spain either, it did see some influence, but as I said, it's origins are elsewhere.
@UmbraGeist That's assuming we didn't have any of our own in the first place. And nowadays, christianity is a world religion, even if the Spanish didn't come, it's very possible it would've came from the Americans, just look at South Korea's christian population. Even Nagasaki in Japan is known for having many Japanese catholics, and who said we ever needed to be colonized to be christians in the first place? That's actually not how it started :P
If Spanish is a symbol of oppression today among Filipinos, then why do we still carry the name Filipino and still practice all that are hispanic (in religion, culinary, language etc).
@beatbstrdz simple, because our ancestors were so opressed, they did'nt had the time and the right to develop their own identity, because if they did, spaniards would likely just kill them..
@halashet "aint" lol...are you a wanna be african american southerner? stop contradicting yourself dude. pick up a text book and maybe you'll actually learn something more concrete.
@halashet In The Philippine- American War (1898-1910), died little more than 1000000 of civilians, in the villages that supported the rebels, all men over 14 were shot by the invaders and the paradox is that the language of the oppressor U.S., was imposed in the Philippines by force.
@luisdiego29 you forget the pacification program (1902–1913) following the declaration of victory in the war. One estimate of total Filipino deaths is as high as 1.5 million. In 15 years, Americans killed more Filipinos that spanish in 3 centuries. But the Spanish are "bad guys". It's obvious that the American propaganda did a good job in the Philippines.
Of course, does not include deaths caused by the puppet governments imposed by the Americans the next few years (such as Ferdinand Marcos)
@InvictusSolDeus It is very true friend, unfortunately the Philippines and Latin America, they were a victim of the ambition and violence of Americans, it was simply a change of master, the Spanish master was tyrannical and abusive, but the American occupation was bloody and criminal. But all that must be left behind, we must now deal with them (U.S. and European Union) and not as master and servant, but as equals.
@halashet Get it out of your head that the Spanish completely blanketed the Philippines with troops and their writ of law extended to every single inch of Philippine terrain. In fact, the Spanish were confined to mainly a handful of towns and cities– probably 80% of them lived in Manila. After the Conquest, most Spanish in the Philippines were missionaries, and their idea of “conquest” was religious conversion. Except the religious, they weren't very interested in changing cultural aspects.
@halashet "The Spaniards would kill them?" You've read too much propaganda and seen too many movies. And what do you mean "they didnt have time to develop their own identity"? You don't need "time" to develop an identity. It comes naturally with customs, language, beliefs. Filipinos DID develop their own identity: a beautiful, unique blend of Southeast Asian, Spanish, and Chinese and even American culture, which today defines FILIPINO. Be proud about it. And stop cursing the past.
@beatbstrdz Unfortunately, in Philippines it is customary to relate to Spain and the 300 years of settling , with backwardness and oppression (legend encouraged by the United States policy ), but everyone is forgetting the 50 years of oppression of Americans in the islands, and the death of the majority of Spanish speakers.
@TheLuminAir I totally understand, it is often best forgotten, is a way of looking at the future without trauma, although it is somewhat dangerous, because the story that one forgets can happen again.
@beatbstrdz Old colonial pangs, but still you guys are considerably better off, well culturally than most of the Americas heck you guys still speak your native tongues, still decolonization takes a long time
People like ENGR is a brainwashed Hispanic wannabe, ok so you're saying we were nothing without Spanish, so what? They didn't colonize anyone? You're splitting hairs, WE DIDNT NEED THE SPANISH FOR ANYTHING IDIOT.
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Our TRUE HOME is the Hispanic world. Spanish is the language of our culture, of our national heroes, of our national anthem, of our surnames, etc. of our soul. It's such a shame that we Filipinos cannot speak the language that defines our identity as Filipinos, as a nation. Couldn't you guys get that? Well I can't blame you. Although many are already realizing the importance of rekindling our Hispanic roots, many are still BRAINWASHED. It's 2011, GROW UP. This country is nothing without Spanish.
@ENGRdeus spanish people instilled in the minds of the filipinos that they are inferior, that maybe the reason why philippines can't progress, filipinos are doomed to kiss white men's asses, why cant filipinos be proud of their asian roots..filipinos will never be caucasians, thats a fact..philippines belongs to asia,..filipinos should embrace their asian roots not their oprressors..the west is crumbling, asia is rising..it shouldn't be hard to choose..
@halashet And the United States? How did they help your country? Hell most of the soldiers who went there were veterans of the Indian Wars, so innocent blood was already on their hands
@Sasuke7760878 americans were like the spanish, only they were more vicious and more racist.. as much as 3 million filipinos died defenseless in their hands,.. i merely speak english because a lot of the comments are in english and our school curriculum requires us to speak this language, regardless,.im not an advocate of the american way and i hated the way they massacred our people..
@halashet why do you such great animosity against Spain and Americans. It's 2011 not 1800's lol. Besides you are making your self look like a fool by having such hate on Americans yet you're typing in English and on youtube...LOL typical Filipino hypocrate
@beatbstrdz that two countries never apologized for their atrocities, which means they might do the same things they had done in the past since they are not sorry..anyway i wont expect regrets from evil people since they have no souls to begin with, they think that oppressing people is just ok...fuck white supremacy...and regarding my english,.. as i said in my previous post we are taught to speak this language..
@beatbstrdz their ancestors came from asia,. do i need to site their origins one by one..? anyways if you like to kiss white men's ass as mainstream filipinos do.. pls dont drag those who dont along with you..intiendes?
@halashet If we trace our ancestor we would find that we all came from Africa. And that is backed up by DNA studies. But even so, would you still claim you are African? Ofcourse not. You can be proud of your roots, with out sounding like youre just talking out of your ass and uneducated.
@beatbstrdz ofcourse i am not african, because philippines is in the continent of asia, so therefore i am asian..and i am not talking from my ass, i am plainly posting my coments in response with the video.. call it uneducated if you will, but i have the right to opinions..however, i think it was sentimental of me to post such comment because i was motivated by emotions..if you like to be white, then go ahead im not stoping you,..besides you will be the only one who will be laughed at.
@halashet But since asians came from africa, then you must be african, that is you're logic--thats what your saying on your post...lol. and when you say you are asian, what are you identifying yourself as..hmmm a chinese, thai, vietnamese, pakistan, Indian, uzbek? Asia has a very diverse culture and ethnicities. asian can even be white or caucasian? hahaha! dude geography and culture is 2 different thing. yes you do have right of your opinion, nobody saying you dont you just love democracy.
my post was meant to encourage filipinos to uphold the culture & values of our ancestors not the self degrading attitude spanish colonizers instilled upon us.,our bayanihan spirit, love of nature and hospitality is becoming extinct because we openly welcome the culture of the west, which in my opinion is severely immoral..our ancestors fought against the tyrants for the sake of their descendants, but it is saddening that filipinos now would rather choose the white culture,.this is what i mean.
@beatbstrdz my post was meant to encourage filipinos to uphold the culture & values of our ancestors not the self degrading attitude spanish colonizers instilled upon us.,our bayanihan spirit, love of nature and hospitality is becoming extinct because we openly welcome the culture of the west, which in my opinion is severely immoral..our ancestors fought against the tyrants for the sake of their descendants, but it is saddening that filipinos now would rather choose the white culture,.
@halashet Well, I hate to burst your bubble but, Filipinos will never ever be a Filipino without its hispanic culture, we had accepted it and made it our own for a very very long time now. Do you think Filipinos will give up leche flan, adobo, lechon, fiestas, sabong, etc etc etc...just so we can live like our ancestors lol. I dont hink so.
@halashet Well at present, by recognizing their Spanish roots, Filipinos can be very proud. Their Spanishness makes them unique. We sure do have our Asian roots, no one is denying that. BUT to deny Hispanicity would mean to deny one's self. Philippines can't progress because of IGNORANCE of their HISPANIC IDENTITY. To call Filipinos Asians just because our country lies in Asia is like calling Mexicans, Venezuelans, etc. Americans because their countries are in a continent called South America :)
@halashet no...they made our land a Nation...in other words...Spain made our country...Filipinas... and its natives as filipinos...and opened our country to the eyes of the world..
KNOW YOUR HISTORY my dear...the americans proposed the "black legend" thats why you think bad for your spanish roots!! OK? know your history!
Spanish was already widely used in the Philippines before the US occupied the country. They halted Spanish by shoving their English and American culture to the Filipinos and now 2011, Spanish has invaded the US with 40 million native speakers and the most preferred foreign language in American schools. Barack Obama even encourages young people to learn it. What's stopping the Filipinos? hatred towards Spain? it's the 21st century. MOVE ON!
spaniards hated us, its their fault why majority of filipinos dont speeak spanish because in their eyes, filipinos are not worthy of the spanish language, the reason why they did not teach the filipinos spanish lingo,. they called us indio remember, if they hated us that much, then maybe we should hate them back..
@halashet no, you are incorrect. Spanish was eventually taught to all FIlipinos of all classes/races in the 1800s. It's common sense too. Why would Rizal and the Ilustrados write in Spanish if only they could understand it? Why did Aguinaldo choose Spanish as the official language at the Malolos convention if no one could speak it? Why did Julian Felipe use Spanish as the language of the National Anthem? A large percentage of the population was already speaking Spanish by 1900. Know your facts.
i dont see the relevance of learning spanish again, its the symbol of oppression for us filipinos, and spanish is no longer a super power, if theres any language filipinos need to learn, thats chinese, because ethnic chinese and filipinos with chinese background far exceeds those who are of spanish descent..and, furthermore, majority of goods in the philippines are made in china..so filipinos need to know what they are buying..
@halashet really? its that why it is the second language widely spoken in the world? and 40 million in the US speaks it? and Oppression? is that why many Filipinos go to Spain for work? Oppression? you ean brainwashed and wiped out Hispanic-Filipino legacy perpeprated by the Americans to impose their American culture and English when in fact The Philippines already has an existing Hispano-Filipino culture. The US made the Filipinos hate the Spaniards by proclaiming themselves as Messiah.
@halashet At least it wasn't the British ... jks. In my opinion I think it would be a great idea for Spanish to be taught :) Many Filipinos are practicing Catholics and many of the traditions r from Spain and the constitution is in Spanish. If the Philippines speak Spanish this will open up relationships Latin America, Europe and possibly. If Spanish was a symbol of Oppression then Mexicans would too but look their still speaking it.
@TheProjectblah Exactly. Filipinos are so brainwashed by the Black Legend. The US re-written the Philippine history by making themselves the good guys and painting the Spaniards the bad guys. The Spaniards have built the country by building bridges, churches and schools. Spanish is widely spoken around the world. It is time that the Philippines takes this opportunity as a tool in enhancing the future.
@TheProjectblah why should we open up relationship with latin america? haler..feeling ko nga eh mas poor pa sila sa atin...what are you trying to imply? that we should establish an association of third world countries..hahaha!joke lang..
@halashet Mexico is bloody rich it has a good economy even with its poverty. In the united states has many spanish speakers the point you could consider it a second language. China wants to open relations with Brazil because of its portuguese speaking macau and Brazil is a developing country. The Philippines is developing but countries still trade. Latin countries may be poor but they have resources and the Philippines would have recognition in Latin America or possibly the EU
@TheProjectblah really? thats cool..brazilian guys are hawt!, especially the mestizos..hahaha..yun lang ang nakikita kong magandang prospect if ever nga maestablish yang relationship ekek na yan..hahaha!!jowk again..ui, you might get offended ha. are you filipino or latin american?
@halashet but the Philippines is a part of the Latin union but the philippines dont speak a latin language so its weird. Plus if the Philippines speak spanish many workers from Latin America will come and work in the Philippines gusto mo ng Latino boyfriend jks jajaja. I'm Australian :)
@TheProjectblah there are a lot of brazillian models here in the philippines,.and they are all hawt..hahaha daniel matsunaga is one of them, though he is half japanese..yeah i like latinos especially the mixed ones coz they have bodies chiseled by the gods,.charut..tapos malaki p ung kanilang...hahaha!
kamusta,im gonna ride my kabayo but it died so ima drive my kotse but it has no fuel so im gonna ride my bisikleta, and what a swerte i found a wallet >:))
if not for the Spaniards, there would not even be a Filipino nation to speak of... modern day Filipinos are product of the Spanish acculturation...i myself totally embrace the Spanish aspects of our Filipino identity including the names, values, language, food etc...to my Filipino brothers, just love who we are as a people...no need to adopt new cultures...we are unique that way
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@TrueHonestHistory Y aunque en 1863 se instaurara la educación publica, tienes que tener en cuenta que la alfabetización de un país es un proceso lento y difícil (más si tenemos en cuanta que Filipinas es un archipielago de más de 7000 islas). En España la educación pública también se instauró por esas fechas y aún así en 1900 el analfabetismo neto era todavía del 56% de la población.
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@TrueHonestHistory Sencillo, por la población, aunque haya varios millones de hispanohablantes, filipinas es un país superpoblado. había muchísimos más millones que no hablaban español. Fíjate que actualmente aproximadamente 3 millones de filipinos hispanohabalantes, filipinas actualmente es un país de 94 millones de habitantes. es decir, el porcentaje de hispanohablantes es muy bajo.
InvictusSolDeus 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
Otra contradicción: "El idioma de los antiguos colonizadores (el español) hoy vuelve a ganar hablantes, quizá porque hoy nadie lo está imponiendo".. Pero vamos a ver, no acaba usted de decir unos minutos antes (por medio del señor entrevistado) que "los españoles no enseñaron el español a los filipinos? En qué quedamos, ¿se negaron a enseñarlo, o lo impusieron? Aclárense.
TrueHonestHistory 1 week ago
@TrueHonestHistory La colonización española empezó en 1565 y lo de la educación fue en 1863, ahí tienes casi 300 años donde no se impuso el idioma, quedando relegada mayoritariamente en el área de Manila que era donde se concentraba los Españoles, en el resto de territorios el español era casi testimonial (estamos hablando de un archipielago de más de 7000 islas).
InvictusSolDeus 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
Otro mito: "Lo que no consiguió la dominación española en casi 400 años lo lograron los invasores norteamericanos en menos de 50". Afirmación errónea. Ni la educación pública ni la enseñanza de un idioma común existían en ningún país del mundo hasta el siglo XIX. Eso es un concepto moderno. Hay que entender el contexto histórico señor. El objetivo del gobierno español no fue "enseñar el español", pero ni en la península ni fuera de ella, hasta 1863 cuando se creó un sistema de educación pública.
TrueHonestHistory 1 week ago
Véase otra contradicción: si "el español era el idioma de las élites" y "nunca se extendió entre la población", como es que había "varios millones de hablantes de español en aquella época" (finales del siglo XIX) o más de "cuarenta publicaciones periódicas en castellano"? Si no se extendió el español, quien leía todos estos periódicos? Estas afirmaciones se caen por su propio peso. Cuestionémonos un poco estos mitos sobre la historia de Filipinas.
TrueHonestHistory 1 week ago
Algunas imprecisiones en este video, fruto sobre todo de los mitos sobre la historia de Filipinas. Por ejemplo esta contradicción: "Aunque el español nunca se extendió entre la población [...] los primeros nacionalistas como Jose Rizal escribieron sus obras en español". Si es verdad que el español no se extendió ¿porque Rizal y los demás nacionalistas usaron el español en sus obras? ¿No querían que las leyera nadie?
TrueHonestHistory 1 week ago
Filipinos are more Hispanic and Malay than American in spirit.
302acr43 1 month ago
thanks to this language, i am earning higher (triple) than i used to when i was just an agent for an english account.
famoramaify 1 month ago
ang nagpapahirap sa atin ngaun ay mga intsik mga amerikano at mga kurakot na mga pilipinong nasa gobyerno..pagaralan nyo mabuti ang kasaysayan at makikita nyo na ang mga kastila ang humubog sa atin upang maging isang bansa tayo..oo may pangaabuso mula sa iilang kastila pero mas malaking kabutihan at malaking kaunlaran ang naibigay sa atin ng mga kastila...ang maging kristiyano lang ay napakalaking kayamanan na pamana sa atin ng kastila yan..
andrewoisky 1 month ago
@andrewoisky Tama ka na naman!
ltljulian 2 weeks ago
ang tatanga nyo kung hindi tayo humiwalay sa mga kastila dapat mas maunlad tayo ngaun at wala sanang nagbubukirat na pinay sa mga internet..mas naniniwala pa kayo kay jose rizal at andres bonifacio..
andrewoisky 1 month ago
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I hate the government, they're trying to be like americans, speaking english in government, media and schools, they use to speak spanish and taught them in schools but now its all english. The schools teach that the spanish were oppressors? i dont think they are, without them we would all be killing each other because we were warring tribes and the religion brought us all together into one nation
wObbLE0695 1 month ago
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Too bad for you, Spanish is along with English two of the most spoken languages around the world. Spanish language open up your mind to new oportunities
grakus10 1 month ago
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@UmbraGeist "Now, you either answer my question or keep your mouth shut and don't beg for my attention, you piece of garbage."
Such talk from someone who is only producing garbage :D I'm not begging for attention, I thought you already left... You're the one begging for attention here, with your constant returns.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "You don't like being called a "naysayer"? That IS what you ARE - "one who consistently denies, criticizes, or doubts; a detractor."
It's not the fact you are using names, it's the fact you don't know how to use them... Herp derp, do I have to explain everything a second time.
And oh look, everytime you come back, I thought you said you were leaving?... Can't even honor that I see, lol.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist I didn't recall you using "hypocrite" first lol, perhaps you did, but let's be more mature here... Does it honestly matter who's first with terms like "hypocrite"? I could understand if it's a comeback, but not just one single word...
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist Funny you use replies that are obviously more appropriate when used against you, so it took you this long to make that comeback? Lol, umadbro?
Here's the thing, you were the only one who said you were leaving, not I. So honor what you said, and leave, and stop being a hypocrite, because you are the one who is whining, not I ;)
And stop using terms that you obviously don't know the meaning of, like naysayer, dumbasses who use terms like such are still looked upon as dumbasses.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "Accusing me of being someone else? That is a cowardly tactic... shame on you. You're utterly desperate." It's just a suspicion, you could always be just some random idiot. Nontheless, I have no idea how that's "cowardly" at all... You shouldn't even be worried about that unless you are actually said person.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "How will you show Filipinos of these cultures and treasures? You are ignorant yourself... haha."
I think your comments speak for themselves... I was open to at least some of what you say, whilst you only accept one of what I said, which was actually just a direct repeat of what you said :P
"I'll just end this discussion here... you look so pitiful trying to justify yourself with your insipid replies." Good, no one's going to miss you, lol.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "And yes, I will say this again, Filipino inferiority complex - YOU and many others have it. XD"
Accepting the bad reality, is not inferiority complex at all, but trying to be like a foreigner, instead of acknowledging your own culture, IS inferiority complex. Distinguish the difference.
Btw, you sound and act very similar to FilipinoUnggoy ;) You create an account only a few days old, you come here specifically to attack me, like you always do, hehe.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "Didn't you just say you Filipinos try to be like the West? There is no mention of "should". You lack reading comprehension - a trait common in you dumb Filipinos. LOL!"
Someone obviously fails at reading... Jeeze, let me explain it again for you, and I promise to go slow for you... You agreed that many Filipinos want to be like the west, and then tried to say that I was one of those Filipinos, and then I disputed that because clearly, I do not... Understand now?
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "The Philippines serves as an example of what happens when you let foreign influence take over." And this is why I aim to show Filipinos the hidden culture and treasures they have, we've always had our own cultures, but yet many Filipinos unfairly and ignorantly use something foreign, Just now is baybayin seeing a revival, that enough tells how bad this situation is.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago 59
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@UmbraGeist "No, I haven't. Why don't you share a source or reference you know of and post it here."
Just google "Luções", you will find what I am referring to... If you understand Philippine history, you shouldn't have no problem of this whatsoever, if you don't know this part of our history, you shouldn't be here, arguing with me, lol. You clearly have no ground to argue on now... -_- All along, arguing with a clueless moron...
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "You were the one yapping about Christians in Nagasaki, Japan, hmm? So, I responded by educating you. Filipino naysayer is a naysayer. LOL!"
Only a naysayer if it isn't true, and it is true, and is relevant to the part of history I was giving, which you clearly failed to understand, let me type it again.
The... Portuguese... were... the... ones... who... brought... christianity... to... Japan...
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "especially with the surge of East Asian pop culture within your country (K-Pop, J-Pop, etc.). And again, perhaps you're an example of that. LOL!"
Can't change whatever popular demand wants, I really don't understand what you're not getting at here, we're neighbors, it's not surprising really... Although we really should work on our own, we are quite capable of doing so.
"And do you not understand the word "prominent"?"
I am not sure if you do yourself, go read my reply again :P
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist "perhaps, YOU are a good example of that"
I never said we should be like the west, did I? Please maintain consistency here... Stop trying to twist my words when it's been obvious you've been caught.
"(Filipino inferiority complex, I must say)" You mean the very same complex you've been trying to cleverly place upon me? Lol, you argue against it, yet you love seeing it happen, fail logic is fail.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist (continued)"You're just going to have to accept it." There are obviously people with differing opinions, the south east and east asians you've met, and I've met, are obviously ones with conflicting opinion, and besides, most of the ones I ask are ones who have studied and visited the Philippines a lot, whether personally or professionally, you are just going to have to accept that :P
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist Naysayer? Have you never heard of the portuguese explorers who found the kingdom of Luzon? LOL, did you honestly think the Spanish were the only ones who explored the Philippines? xD
"Christianity in Japan is a minority religion" No one is disputing this, and it's not relevant to our discussion, now is it? I'm giving you a history lesson, not trying to argue for the Japanese christians...
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist (continued, 2nd time) and try so hard to compare ourselves to East Asia? No, actually, it's more like we try so hard to BE LIKE THE WEST, which makes no sense at all. Why? Let's see, just take a look at the media and the entertainment industry, they try so hard to copy America, yet they get absolutely no benefit whatsoever from doing so,infact morally they are hindering themselves even more.
And prominent architecture? Ever seen Coconut Palace? :P Odd name, but epic nontheless
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist (continued) Hmm, if east asians, or any other from Asia for that matter see us as such, then why do they try so hard to show us our deep cultures that sadly, they are even aware of, that Filipinos themselves don't know? Let's let them speak for themselves, not you, not I. See how I did not unfairly generalize my own opinion over other people, thinking they see this as well, I'm only claiming what I've witnessed.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist You seem to not be able to comprehend anything :P I wasn't making any "excuses", nice try at twisting my words... And like I said, you don't know much about the Philippines at all, if Spain wasn't here, the Portuguese would've been the "christianizers", they were already actively doing such, as they were doing to Japanese in Nagasaki.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist (continued, read my last 2 replies) And yeah, Filipinos do belong in Asia, we may have dragged ourselves further and further downwards, but that just means our rise will show an even bigger achievment, rising from such a mundane state. The various peoples of the Philippines are quite capable of bringing themselves up, I know not why they don't understand their own potential.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
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@UmbraGeist (continued) but then it was abused for colonization purposes. And it seems you don't know anything about our culture really, our cuisine is from many of our neighbors, China being probably the biggest contributor. And correction, our identity is not from Spain, but from our ethnic groups. And funny you mention architecture, the commonly known "bahay na bato" was not from Spain either, it did see some influence, but as I said, it's origins are elsewhere.
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
@UmbraGeist That's assuming we didn't have any of our own in the first place. And nowadays, christianity is a world religion, even if the Spanish didn't come, it's very possible it would've came from the Americans, just look at South Korea's christian population. Even Nagasaki in Japan is known for having many Japanese catholics, and who said we ever needed to be colonized to be christians in the first place? That's actually not how it started :P
ThtOnePinoy 4 months ago
If Spanish is a symbol of oppression today among Filipinos, then why do we still carry the name Filipino and still practice all that are hispanic (in religion, culinary, language etc).
beatbstrdz 4 months ago 167
@beatbstrdz simple, because our ancestors were so opressed, they did'nt had the time and the right to develop their own identity, because if they did, spaniards would likely just kill them..
halashet 4 months ago 69
@halashet to all spanish/white wannabe filipinos......reality check pls....you aint white!stop this delusions!
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet "aint" lol...are you a wanna be african american southerner? stop contradicting yourself dude. pick up a text book and maybe you'll actually learn something more concrete.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@halashet In The Philippine- American War (1898-1910), died little more than 1000000 of civilians, in the villages that supported the rebels, all men over 14 were shot by the invaders and the paradox is that the language of the oppressor U.S., was imposed in the Philippines by force.
luisdiego29 2 months ago 20
@luisdiego29 you forget the pacification program (1902–1913) following the declaration of victory in the war. One estimate of total Filipino deaths is as high as 1.5 million. In 15 years, Americans killed more Filipinos that spanish in 3 centuries. But the Spanish are "bad guys". It's obvious that the American propaganda did a good job in the Philippines.
Of course, does not include deaths caused by the puppet governments imposed by the Americans the next few years (such as Ferdinand Marcos)
InvictusSolDeus 1 month ago
@InvictusSolDeus It is very true friend, unfortunately the Philippines and Latin America, they were a victim of the ambition and violence of Americans, it was simply a change of master, the Spanish master was tyrannical and abusive, but the American occupation was bloody and criminal. But all that must be left behind, we must now deal with them (U.S. and European Union) and not as master and servant, but as equals.
luisdiego29 1 month ago
@halashet Get it out of your head that the Spanish completely blanketed the Philippines with troops and their writ of law extended to every single inch of Philippine terrain. In fact, the Spanish were confined to mainly a handful of towns and cities– probably 80% of them lived in Manila. After the Conquest, most Spanish in the Philippines were missionaries, and their idea of “conquest” was religious conversion. Except the religious, they weren't very interested in changing cultural aspects.
InvictusSolDeus 1 month ago
@halashet "The Spaniards would kill them?" You've read too much propaganda and seen too many movies. And what do you mean "they didnt have time to develop their own identity"? You don't need "time" to develop an identity. It comes naturally with customs, language, beliefs. Filipinos DID develop their own identity: a beautiful, unique blend of Southeast Asian, Spanish, and Chinese and even American culture, which today defines FILIPINO. Be proud about it. And stop cursing the past.
TrueHonestHistory 1 week ago
@beatbstrdz Unfortunately, in Philippines it is customary to relate to Spain and the 300 years of settling , with backwardness and oppression (legend encouraged by the United States policy ), but everyone is forgetting the 50 years of oppression of Americans in the islands, and the death of the majority of Spanish speakers.
luisdiego29 2 months ago 21
@luisdiego29
You make an excellent point when you mentioned;
"........but everyone is forgetting the 50 years of oppression of Americans in the islands, and the death of the majority of Spanish speakers."
TheLuminAir 2 months ago 5
@TheLuminAir I totally understand, it is often best forgotten, is a way of looking at the future without trauma, although it is somewhat dangerous, because the story that one forgets can happen again.
luisdiego29 2 months ago
@beatbstrdz Old colonial pangs, but still you guys are considerably better off, well culturally than most of the Americas heck you guys still speak your native tongues, still decolonization takes a long time
RoyalKnightVIII 1 month ago
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My greatgrandmother was a spanish filipino born in 1930's and her english is very good cause of the americans....
MusicManiaBand 4 months ago
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i think they don't need spanish anymore. They need english
shinlord00000 5 months ago
People like ENGR is a brainwashed Hispanic wannabe, ok so you're saying we were nothing without Spanish, so what? They didn't colonize anyone? You're splitting hairs, WE DIDNT NEED THE SPANISH FOR ANYTHING IDIOT.
ThtOnePinoy 5 months ago
because they were illustrados, which were'nt a lot during those times..anyway go ahead. speak spanish for all i care..
halashet 5 months ago
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Our TRUE HOME is the Hispanic world. Spanish is the language of our culture, of our national heroes, of our national anthem, of our surnames, etc. of our soul. It's such a shame that we Filipinos cannot speak the language that defines our identity as Filipinos, as a nation. Couldn't you guys get that? Well I can't blame you. Although many are already realizing the importance of rekindling our Hispanic roots, many are still BRAINWASHED. It's 2011, GROW UP. This country is nothing without Spanish.
ENGRdeus 5 months ago
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@ENGRdeus spanish people instilled in the minds of the filipinos that they are inferior, that maybe the reason why philippines can't progress, filipinos are doomed to kiss white men's asses, why cant filipinos be proud of their asian roots..filipinos will never be caucasians, thats a fact..philippines belongs to asia,..filipinos should embrace their asian roots not their oprressors..the west is crumbling, asia is rising..it shouldn't be hard to choose..
halashet 4 months ago 40
@halashet And the United States? How did they help your country? Hell most of the soldiers who went there were veterans of the Indian Wars, so innocent blood was already on their hands
Sasuke7760878 4 months ago
@Sasuke7760878 americans were like the spanish, only they were more vicious and more racist.. as much as 3 million filipinos died defenseless in their hands,.. i merely speak english because a lot of the comments are in english and our school curriculum requires us to speak this language, regardless,.im not an advocate of the american way and i hated the way they massacred our people..
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet why do you such great animosity against Spain and Americans. It's 2011 not 1800's lol. Besides you are making your self look like a fool by having such hate on Americans yet you're typing in English and on youtube...LOL typical Filipino hypocrate
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz that two countries never apologized for their atrocities, which means they might do the same things they had done in the past since they are not sorry..anyway i wont expect regrets from evil people since they have no souls to begin with, they think that oppressing people is just ok...fuck white supremacy...and regarding my english,.. as i said in my previous post we are taught to speak this language..
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet
What is Asian root please explain?
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz we are geneticaly asians, a lot from malaysia, some from indonesia, and some from china,.
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet Who is we? Well my friend, the term Asian is not a race or ethnicity, but a geographical one, so how are Filipino genetically Asian.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz And what about the Negrito, Aetas, Agta are they genetically Asians? They're Filipinos too.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz their ancestors came from asia,. do i need to site their origins one by one..? anyways if you like to kiss white men's ass as mainstream filipinos do.. pls dont drag those who dont along with you..intiendes?
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet If we trace our ancestor we would find that we all came from Africa. And that is backed up by DNA studies. But even so, would you still claim you are African? Ofcourse not. You can be proud of your roots, with out sounding like youre just talking out of your ass and uneducated.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz ofcourse i am not african, because philippines is in the continent of asia, so therefore i am asian..and i am not talking from my ass, i am plainly posting my coments in response with the video.. call it uneducated if you will, but i have the right to opinions..however, i think it was sentimental of me to post such comment because i was motivated by emotions..if you like to be white, then go ahead im not stoping you,..besides you will be the only one who will be laughed at.
halashet 4 months ago
@halashet But since asians came from africa, then you must be african, that is you're logic--thats what your saying on your post...lol. and when you say you are asian, what are you identifying yourself as..hmmm a chinese, thai, vietnamese, pakistan, Indian, uzbek? Asia has a very diverse culture and ethnicities. asian can even be white or caucasian? hahaha! dude geography and culture is 2 different thing. yes you do have right of your opinion, nobody saying you dont you just love democracy.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
my post was meant to encourage filipinos to uphold the culture & values of our ancestors not the self degrading attitude spanish colonizers instilled upon us.,our bayanihan spirit, love of nature and hospitality is becoming extinct because we openly welcome the culture of the west, which in my opinion is severely immoral..our ancestors fought against the tyrants for the sake of their descendants, but it is saddening that filipinos now would rather choose the white culture,.this is what i mean.
halashet 4 months ago
@beatbstrdz my post was meant to encourage filipinos to uphold the culture & values of our ancestors not the self degrading attitude spanish colonizers instilled upon us.,our bayanihan spirit, love of nature and hospitality is becoming extinct because we openly welcome the culture of the west, which in my opinion is severely immoral..our ancestors fought against the tyrants for the sake of their descendants, but it is saddening that filipinos now would rather choose the white culture,.
halashet 4 months ago 2
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@halashet Well, I hate to burst your bubble but, Filipinos will never ever be a Filipino without its hispanic culture, we had accepted it and made it our own for a very very long time now. Do you think Filipinos will give up leche flan, adobo, lechon, fiestas, sabong, etc etc etc...just so we can live like our ancestors lol. I dont hink so.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
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@halashet Well at present, by recognizing their Spanish roots, Filipinos can be very proud. Their Spanishness makes them unique. We sure do have our Asian roots, no one is denying that. BUT to deny Hispanicity would mean to deny one's self. Philippines can't progress because of IGNORANCE of their HISPANIC IDENTITY. To call Filipinos Asians just because our country lies in Asia is like calling Mexicans, Venezuelans, etc. Americans because their countries are in a continent called South America :)
ENGRdeus 4 months ago
@halashet no...they made our land a Nation...in other words...Spain made our country...Filipinas... and its natives as filipinos...and opened our country to the eyes of the world..
KNOW YOUR HISTORY my dear...the americans proposed the "black legend" thats why you think bad for your spanish roots!! OK? know your history!
ragan2nik 3 months ago 8
Latin America is poorer than us? LOL Mexico and Brazil have better economies than we do.
jbermud2 5 months ago
Spanish was already widely used in the Philippines before the US occupied the country. They halted Spanish by shoving their English and American culture to the Filipinos and now 2011, Spanish has invaded the US with 40 million native speakers and the most preferred foreign language in American schools. Barack Obama even encourages young people to learn it. What's stopping the Filipinos? hatred towards Spain? it's the 21st century. MOVE ON!
carlagaybalingit 5 months ago
spaniards hated us, its their fault why majority of filipinos dont speeak spanish because in their eyes, filipinos are not worthy of the spanish language, the reason why they did not teach the filipinos spanish lingo,. they called us indio remember, if they hated us that much, then maybe we should hate them back..
halashet 6 months ago
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@halashet no, you are incorrect. Spanish was eventually taught to all FIlipinos of all classes/races in the 1800s. It's common sense too. Why would Rizal and the Ilustrados write in Spanish if only they could understand it? Why did Aguinaldo choose Spanish as the official language at the Malolos convention if no one could speak it? Why did Julian Felipe use Spanish as the language of the National Anthem? A large percentage of the population was already speaking Spanish by 1900. Know your facts.
jbermud2 5 months ago
i dont see the relevance of learning spanish again, its the symbol of oppression for us filipinos, and spanish is no longer a super power, if theres any language filipinos need to learn, thats chinese, because ethnic chinese and filipinos with chinese background far exceeds those who are of spanish descent..and, furthermore, majority of goods in the philippines are made in china..so filipinos need to know what they are buying..
halashet 6 months ago
@halashet really? its that why it is the second language widely spoken in the world? and 40 million in the US speaks it? and Oppression? is that why many Filipinos go to Spain for work? Oppression? you ean brainwashed and wiped out Hispanic-Filipino legacy perpeprated by the Americans to impose their American culture and English when in fact The Philippines already has an existing Hispano-Filipino culture. The US made the Filipinos hate the Spaniards by proclaiming themselves as Messiah.
carlagaybalingit 6 months ago
@halashet At least it wasn't the British ... jks. In my opinion I think it would be a great idea for Spanish to be taught :) Many Filipinos are practicing Catholics and many of the traditions r from Spain and the constitution is in Spanish. If the Philippines speak Spanish this will open up relationships Latin America, Europe and possibly. If Spanish was a symbol of Oppression then Mexicans would too but look their still speaking it.
TheProjectblah 5 months ago
@TheProjectblah Exactly. Filipinos are so brainwashed by the Black Legend. The US re-written the Philippine history by making themselves the good guys and painting the Spaniards the bad guys. The Spaniards have built the country by building bridges, churches and schools. Spanish is widely spoken around the world. It is time that the Philippines takes this opportunity as a tool in enhancing the future.
carlagaybalingit 5 months ago
@TheProjectblah why should we open up relationship with latin america? haler..feeling ko nga eh mas poor pa sila sa atin...what are you trying to imply? that we should establish an association of third world countries..hahaha!joke lang..
halashet 5 months ago
@halashet Mexico is bloody rich it has a good economy even with its poverty. In the united states has many spanish speakers the point you could consider it a second language. China wants to open relations with Brazil because of its portuguese speaking macau and Brazil is a developing country. The Philippines is developing but countries still trade. Latin countries may be poor but they have resources and the Philippines would have recognition in Latin America or possibly the EU
TheProjectblah 5 months ago
@TheProjectblah really? thats cool..brazilian guys are hawt!, especially the mestizos..hahaha..yun lang ang nakikita kong magandang prospect if ever nga maestablish yang relationship ekek na yan..hahaha!!jowk again..ui, you might get offended ha. are you filipino or latin american?
halashet 5 months ago
@halashet but the Philippines is a part of the Latin union but the philippines dont speak a latin language so its weird. Plus if the Philippines speak spanish many workers from Latin America will come and work in the Philippines gusto mo ng Latino boyfriend jks jajaja. I'm Australian :)
TheProjectblah 5 months ago
@TheProjectblah there are a lot of brazillian models here in the philippines,.and they are all hawt..hahaha daniel matsunaga is one of them, though he is half japanese..yeah i like latinos especially the mixed ones coz they have bodies chiseled by the gods,.charut..tapos malaki p ung kanilang...hahaha!
halashet 5 months ago
still learning though...
RUBZTER300 8 months ago
kamusta,im gonna ride my kabayo but it died so ima drive my kotse but it has no fuel so im gonna ride my bisikleta, and what a swerte i found a wallet >:))
RUBZTER300 8 months ago
esta muy bien! arriba spania!
sunade143 8 months ago
Holy crap, that's my professor in Instituto Cervantes!
akosigundam 8 months ago
uy!!! nuestro querido sr.budj en una entrevista :)
styricpriestess 8 months ago
uy!!! nuestro querida sr.budj en una entrevista :)
styricpriestess 8 months ago
UNIFICACION HISPANA!
03Terrestre 8 months ago
"but the language of the 'conquistadors' is becoming more and more popular."
LOL!!!
What hypocrisy.
goog2k 8 months ago
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Spain a country of moors, gypsies and arabs....
mofire9999 9 months ago 11
nice one ..
videostapelive 9 months ago