funny how in the end hitler was completely humiliated and defeated, his nation crushed while Stalin was triumphant and took berlin and was victoriously standing at the victory parade on 9 May 1945.
And between now and then I've done a lot of reading (both articles, and comments by those who are well informed in every respect) and as a result the post like yours stand out with a "loud" why-question mark to it. Relatives were reds; a die-hard once upon time communist; perhaps a rubles-based career....What...?This is for you:
A nation of 3.5 million was attacked by a nation of 184 million zombies - and the smaller one kept its independence. Explain that.
russian isn't mean "communist". there is no ussr for decades of years. my grand-grandfather was killed under Viborg, and he wasn't "mindless-zombie-communist-faggot-etc", just a soldier who got his orders. that's why I think about this commentaries as offencive ones.
@araprivet Sorry to hear that. With the "zombie" I referred to people under communism. Their lives were much controlled. Neighbours and friends were spying on one another, children were asked at school of what their parents were talking at home, etc.; hence, thinking & true opinions & personality was suppressed. Add to that relentless propaganda at compulsory work-place indoctrination sessions, and you get followers; not individuals and leaders & self-starters.
Australissa pesivä, koti-ikävän runtelema, obuBBubo jaksaa jauhaa tolkutonta harhaansa suomalaisten 'urheasta menneisyydestä' ja nykyisyydestäkin. Eikö olisi jo syytä lopettaa huonon ja halvan paikallisen kaljan juonti ja herätä todellisuuteen. Onko todellisuus liian kovaa kestää?
@KikkelstromPhD PhD..; so there's no excuse - that ranting is by choice then; and because "Man always must do, and CANNOT but do except that which is topmost in his heart".
Now, I got "involved" in these debate by a chance; i.e. Three years ago, I was a member of a Texas-based forum. Someone posted a link to a Finnish song, commenting how "rough" it sounded. I listened to it, and couldn't understand a word! That one song led to others; and now three years later I understand almost everything.
Kuulkaapa nyt kaikki 'historian dosentit'! Lopettakaa paskan jauhaminen vieraalla kielellä ja kuunnelkaa laulua dokumenttina lapsellisesta suomalaisesta propagandatuotannosta kyseiseltä aikakaudelta. Yhtä lapsellisia propagandalauluja oli kaikilla muillakin sotaan osallistuneilla mailla. Ihan kiva laulu ensimmäisellä kuulemalla, mutta jo toisen kerran jälkeen alkaa lapsellinen typeryys yököttää.
@CatholicSpaceNazi Nope, translation was ready in one website.. And it is true that this translation is weak as in others in my videos (taken from that same site) Sadly I have no time to make better version.
There was always a "Finnish" land between these two monarchies. Since the 1200s it was called Ostmark and since 1809 Grand Duchy, under the Swedish crown and the Russian czars, respectively. Not true? Please argue. It is not a simple history. The writer of this owes much to both sides. Independence, however, cannot be sold for any price. I will enter (preferably into the Finnish Luftwaffe as a mechanician or guardian of the dogs) any time necessar though I am an elderly sucker.
@kirkenes You might want to study history before coming here to argue. Finland DID exist before 1918, just not as a sovereign nation. Which is a good example of how long we had to fight for our independence and how quickly the Russians wanted to take it away from us again.
@tuore The Russians stopped caring about you circa 1917 when the Empire ceased to exist. Not that they cared much before that either. And should we say that Saamiland has been in existence since time immemorial, just not as a sovereign nation? And so horrible was the Russian yoke in 1809-1917 that the Finnish population almost quadrupled :)
@kirkenes The saamis haven't sought political recognition before very lately. They have been a minority tribe, just like the Sorbs in Germany or Rhaetoromans in Switzerland.
Of course population continues to multiply when a century passes. People don't stop making children because they are under Russian control.
Finland had official status as a Grand Duchy from 1809 to 1917. Depending on the current Russian emperor, we fared well or we fared bad.
@CTYLXHY At 60s or 70s China wasn't same as its nowadays. If you haven't noticed, China has nuclear weapons as well.
Yes Germany and USSR started WW2 when they started to fill goals of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Waiting few weeks before entering to Poland after Germany was only hoax from Stalin. Hitler was furious when he heard that. Stalin played with two cards.
Finnish people are not strangers to you. 300 years? What you mean by that? Russia should return Finnish land. Why won't you?
@tsorna Itse asiassa ei. Jatkosodan lopussa Suomen armeija seisoi vahvempana kuin koskaan aiemmin. Saksan surkea menestys oli lopun alkua myös Suomelle. Rauha tuli tehtyä ja rauhassa tuli oikein kunnolla takkiin. Siitä iso kiitos menee Paasikivelle, joka toki yritti sodan jälkeen saada Suomen alueita takaisin. Vähintään vuokrata Viipuri takaisin Suomelle.
@CTYLXHY Yeah but you seem to forget that USSR were union with Hitler and starter WW2 by attacking to Poland. That never came to your mind?
In future, Russia will have a little problem in Asia. You should check what Chinese school books say about those areas which are now under Russia (big part of Manchuria). So I would be worried about that when your population is getting lower and lower.
@Tonzai2002 You mean that Finland lost 200 k in KIA? If you did, then your numbers are more than two times too high. Check your sources. Finland didn't loose the war. Finland and USSR made a peace with very high demands from Soviet Union. Germany lost the war and you can notice what happen for lost country. It got occupied, army needed to be surrend. One more thing is that goals of USSR didn't came true which would have happened if Finland would have really lost the war.
@CTYLXHY was led by assholes. And russians think even that day that it was Finland who started that war. The biggest loser in our wars was Soviet, so there is no need to spam the name of that idiotic country here.
What was the name of that Russian Field Marshal, who remained faithful to the tzar Nicholas III when the latter was killed by Stalin, and then became the Finnish dictator?
@Louqueetsch What are you talking about? What finnish dictator? You mean Mannerheim? Bobrikov (Nikolai Ivanovitš Bobrikov) was a body of generals in Finland. There hasn't been such thing as dictator of Finland, if you didn't know.
@tupakki I have heard that some chap was sentenced to 10 yrs of prison after the war by the Finns, so I presumed he was sort of a tyrant.
What do you mean by "a body of generals"? Was it a commission? I mean, "Iavnovist" sounds like a perfect Finnish abbreviation, but "Nikolai" and "Bobrikov" look like a Christian name and a surname. That must have been a German, yes? Like, von Bobrikow?
@Louqueetsch Actually,, tzar's name was Nicolas II, and marshal was Mannerheim. Well, he's a grand part of Russia's history, because he really served to Emperor with honest.
Есть пословица - никогда не делай людям добра, и тогда не увидишь зла.
Россия сделала финнам больше добра, чем зла - и во времена русской империи им хорошо жилось, и советской республикой им быть не пришлось, и завоевывать их до конца не стали. Хотя могли бы.
Только самые высшие души способны оценить добро и воздать сторицей за него. А низшие воспримут добро как слабость.
@kiekkopojka8 It was a chance for you maybe, lands worth more than money. From the other side, how can you take the offer which was made in political madness.
Cooperation of these areas is the best choice if they want of course.
@Varezhkavil the economy there is not too good, road conditions, apartment conditions, alot of stuff that ruskies cant/are too lazy to take care of, you've been in Svetogorsk?
@MikeRFIN No I haven't. Lack of money and that it's argue lands that's the reason. It's all solved problems just some labor! There's nothing irreversibly ruined.
@Varezhkavil Sorry to put my nose to this discuss. What land you are talking about? You are talking those areas that Finland hand to hand over to USSR after the war?
@tupakki About Eastern Karelia, and about other territories over Leningrad, which you were asked many times just of arenda for 30 years and then Winter War was possible to avoid. It all I read in Mannerheim's memories.
@Varezhkavil Actually Winter War could have been avoided if Finland would have given up for demands. That would have ment more demands. The case was identical with Baltic countries. First came ultimatum which those countries accepted, then came more demands wich ment the occupation of those countries. That would have lead to the occupation of Finland.I am familiar with Mannerheim's memories.He said that finnish army isn't ready for war so "Winter War" need to be avoided.Army need time to prepare
@tupakki Mannerheim said those territories had small meaning for Finland and huge for Russia, which absolutely needed it to protect Leningrad with the big war at the door, and he considered your gov was should collaborate. They've hidden this discuss even from parlament and people.
In further Stalin probably would test you, how good are your soldiers. But he didn’t need in the rest of Finland so much, otherwise he would send another 10 mln of Russian lifes but got it.
@Varezhkavil Smaller meaning? I don't really think he has never said things like that. Is it possible that you tell me the page number on his memorias? I can check this. The protection of Leningrad was only a game for Stalin's regime. Neutral country like Finland wasn't threat. If Finland would have become a threat, then case would have been different, but that never happened.
Yes Stalin wanted to annex Finland to be a part of Soviet Union. Get back the might of "Russian Empire" and even more.
@tupakki Page 109 of 249 in Russian. Here citation:
"I considered that we in one way or another should agree with Russians. I talked to the minister of foreign affairs Erkko about the offer of Shtejn but couldn't persuade him. I also have visited president and prime minister Kajandera personally to state my point of view. Has noticed that Aland islands have for Finland no value, and as they are neutralised, we haven't possibility of their protection. ----
@Varezhkavil ----The authority of Finland, in my opinion, also will not suffer, if we will agree on an exchange. For Russians these islands closing access to their naval base, have huge value and consequently we should try to benefit by those rare trumps which are available in our disposal. My point of view has not met understanding. I was answered, that the government, which would dare to offer something similar, would be compelled to retire and that any politician would not be ready to retire-
@Varezhkavil ---and that any politician would not be ready to oppose public opinion thus. On it I have answered that if really there will be no person, which for the sake of such vital for the state has risked the popularity in the people I offer myself in the order of the governments for I'm sure that people will understand my fair intentions. I have gone still further, having noticed that Finland would be favourable for proposing remove from Leningrad lines of border ---
@Varezhkavil ---and to obtain for it good compensation. Already when Vyborg in 1811 has again joined Finland, many held the opinion that border passes too close to Petersburg. So the minister state thought, in particular, Secretary Rebinder, and as I often heard at home, father of my grandfather the state adviser C. Е. Mannerheim stood on the same point of view. I have seriously warned, that ambassador Shtejn did not leave with empty-hands to Moscow.
@Varezhkavil ----However it has occurred. On April, 6th he has left Helsinki, without having solved the problem charged to him. Parliament was not informed of the purpose of visit of Shtejn. About short-sighted concealment of this fact it is possible only to regret."
@Varezhkavil Yes that's exactly what I ment (I'll check it). Mannerheim himself would have been ready to accept demands of USSR as you wrote. According yo him, finnish army wasn't ready for war against USSR. If you think that Mannerheim thought that it would have prevent the war, you are wrong. He started silent mobilization at October 1939 when negotiations weren't even finished. When his plans to buy time didn't work, he threatened to leave his post.
@Varezhkavil "Other" finns would have also been ready to give those demands up to Soviets but renting Hanko was too much. It was too big risk for Finland. Occupation of Finland would have been much easier in case of war. You should read what Yuri Kilin from Petrozavodsk University have said about the subject. From his studies you can find out real intentions of Stalin and Red Army. It's not true that Stalin wanted to protect the city of Leningrad. It's really interesting for people who think so.
@Varezhkavil You know that the meaning of those areas that Soviet Union took from Finland was huge. Imagine that Russia would loose the second biggest city and much and much technology as mills. Stalin also wanted to have those mills from Karelia that he can start to make gun powder etc.. Finnish plants were much better than in USSR. He did that when he got those mills after the Winter War. Soviet Union wasn't defending itself. I also want to know why Russia still have those finnish land?
@Varezhkavil About the East Karelia. It was lead by the finnish communist whos goal was to have Finland and East Karelia under communism. This was supported by Stalin. Stalin made conclusion in his head that if Finnish influence grow too high on East Karelia, it might lead that East Karelia join to Finland. That's why He ended it by killing almost all finns on East Karelia. Soviet Union didn't follow the Tarto treaty, which would have given right for Eastern Karelian, Finland didn't like it.
@tupakki I mean that the secure of Leningrad is long gone. Russia doesn't need to scare the invasion through Finland anymore, not made by germans, brits, french or some other nationalities. Even if that was Stalins motive (which really wasn't), the reason doesn't exist anymore. Russia should hand those land back to Finland. Do you agree or why Russia still need those land? Finland would be more than happy to get back those lost lands.
@tupakki I only don't get, seems you and Japan were offered in 90th the lost lands and both countries didn't agree. I can't understand it. Looks like you prefer condition of war better than lands?
@Varezhkavil I don't know how much you have been studying those negotiations between Finland and USSR. If you think that Finland was always saying no for demands of USSR. That's not true. Finland was ready to give up for those demands which wouldn't have collabsed the defence of Finnish army. As Hanko issue was one of them. Finland was ready to give Koivisto, which would have given direct access behind line of Mannerheim. Also it was USSR who stopped negotiations and started the war.
Well, kirkenes, we have contraicting inf. It is all well by me if we stick to truth. Stalin threw his primary attack armies onto the Karelian Isth. and a part of it into Sortavala. One of my uncles was lost and never found (Ruben). Today is to be seen a long border with barbed wire. The Soviet campaign to conquer Finland ender in a costly failure. Numbers? Finnish army: appr. 86000 killed, more than 200000 wounded. The Soviets lost, according to studies, a million men, killed of gone otherwise
Tärkeinta oli se, että Molotovin suunnitelmat onnistuttiin estämään. Molotov katkeroitui tappiosta Karjalan kannaksella niin, että kehtasi esiintyä Nurnbergissä (sorry no German letter available) cuni joku joka syyttää muita siksi että on itse tehnyt saman. The Finnish Carelian Army together with allies stopped the Russians.
Finland should apologise and pay compensation to Russia for the occupation of Russian Vyborg region in 1918-1945. And also for aggression against Russia in 1918-1922 when finns were trying to build so called "Great Finland" and even occupy Petrograd. Finns killed more than 50 000 Russian civilians. Suomi must apologise for these war crimes agains civil population.
Finland should apologise and pay compensation to Russia for the occupation of Vyborg region in 1918-1945. And also for aggression against Russia in 1918-1922 when finns were trying to build so called "Great Finland" and even occupy Petrograd. Finns killed more than 50 000 russian civilians. Suomi must apologise for these war crimes agains civil population.
origin of "Russians" who live in the territory between Baltic sea, White sea, Moscow and Urals is Finnish, they just formally Russian, by documents. But etnically and genetically they are Finnish, not Slavic
Господи, какие жы вы все, русские, крутая сволочь – либералы, фашисты, комунисты, демокарты – без разницы! Пороть вас до крови, сжечь вас в печах – и то мало будет – вы миру не даете ПРОСТО ЖИТЬ: кашины ваши, крыловы, мальгины! Поэтам – писАть, женщинам - вертеть жопой. Вы все – одна большая РУССКАЯ сволочь! Чтобы вам сдохнуть .
@nurmiar "As usual" You have some other similar case? :D
And we cant really call fight in finnish front victory for Soviets... In winter war they did really badly as they did in 1944 when all their attacks were stopped.
Finland and Germany lost the war, as usual..in the beginning(1941) the finns and the germans was very certain of victory..but Russia won the war..Germany , Finland ALWAYS looses every war
well, not becaming 16th republic of soviet union is defenetly epic win... but betrayal of german allies when russians came back "from urals" - shame on U, traitors... :\
Sorry min Herren. Kinda reckoned that the highlighted "NO" added nothing to what had already been translated - except that it showed the original to have been opposite in meaning to what our friend's translation said; i.e. not everywhere vs. everywhere.
- pero NO se por que en todas parter, los fascistas tienen muy buena musica tambien - LOL
This piece was NOT meant to be a demonstration of grandest of marching songs. It is purely poking fun at the enemy (Bolsheviks), who without a warning and provocation attacked a rather defenseless INDEPENDENT and NEUTRAL nation in 1939.
If no attack, guns would've pointed west.
Those who KNOW their history, don't throw tags around too loosely. Si?
jo¡ seré comunista y todo lo que quieras, pero no se por que en todas partes, los fascistas tienen muy buena musica tambien, hay que joderse, fijate en los fachas de la división 350
@lorentxe estas diciendo fascistas a los fineses? te has leido la letra de la cancion? si no es asi no comentes el video ;) Yo no niego que hubieran fineses fascistas, pero la mayoria eran anti-comunistas porque estos eran sus enemigos desde 1918. adios y corre como si no hubiera mañana ;)
Ei ehkä paras käännös englanniksi, mutta pelkästä yrityksestä kääntää näitä lauluja kaikkien ymmärrettäväksi ansaitse kiitosta. =) Pientä hiontaa vain, nii vot!
You just demonstrated your ugly Russian arrogance by writing in Russian.
Well, I tell you a secret fella. Feature video on my channel says:
(had not the veterans fought) the land would be the westmost province, and we would speak a foreign tongue, and the 6th of December would be only a weekday.
Well, the Country is called Finland, they speak Finnish there, and the 6th of December is their INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! So there (did I see a red face...?)
@78fin Really!? You learn something new every day, eh.
Why not? Firstly, because the boss of this joint says so (read what he says about it a few lines down, please).
Secondly, because the song is in Finnish, and translation in English. So, onus is on visitors to communicate in the given setting clearly and in a manner they can be understood.
Now, if I ignore the setting and PERSONS in it; I do so out of spite and arrogance.
Я лично счастлив, что правительство Финляндии вело себя благоразумно при драке больших псов. Франция и Германия учили нас. Что же не вы, Финляндия и Швеция?
Ah, it's you again. Well, I thought yous got it, but guess not.
See, with his handshake Stalin SANCTIONED the Munchen agreement, AND gave Hitler a permission to get even more; providing that Stalin himself could have his dirty snout in the broth as well.
And Hitler, Stalin's pal, happily obliged. Then a few days later the two bosom buddies (two nazis) made their move, and the west declared war on Germany.
And sneaky bastard Stalin began planning "Mainilan laukauksia"
I think with your imagination you could write good fantasy novels. Stalin was pro nazi ? Finland was an integral part of Axis but not USSR. Stalin shook hands with Hitler? Every European leader did the same. As to Finland they prefer to lick Hitler's ass more
The Munich Pact signed 30 September 1938 On October 1, 1938 the area of Zaolzie was annexed by Poland following the Munich Agreement. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania couldn't be considered as independent states.
As to Finland in 1919 they attacked the ships of the Baltic fleet without any reasons. Who could trust them after that?
actually germany trained in russia before the outbreak of the war along side of soviet red army. When germans went to Stalingrad many factories had german built machinery, so its safe to say stalin and hitler shook hands alot. You need to study factual history, not victors history, theres a big difference.
Holes were in the chests covering fearless and brave hearts, and NOT in between the shoulder blades.
Moreover, ratio was 1 to 10 or something. That is, for every one hole in the brave and fearless chest, there were ten (10) holes found in between eyes of ten russians. Not bad, eh.
You were supposed to be in Helsinki in no time; couldn't get there even in five (5) years.
So much for your "great and mighty CCCP". So much for your toothless bear mouth.
Butcher attacked INDEPENDENT NATION WITHOUT PROVOCATION 30.11.1939; the song was written in 1942; therefore, your "becouse we can see" is baseless and invalid argument.
Apology and returning of the chicken you rustled is what's need here, NOT justification.
There was none, and there never will be any justification for your unprovoked killing of sleeping women and children along the border in 1939.
You Russians have really good sense of humor! Propaganda is always propaganda.
But really, what defeat? Yes, we lost some land and we needed to pay you some money/products but Soviet's main goal - invading whole Finland - didn't ever happen.
what defeat? Finns had to return stolen Vyborg region. This is not finnish land. It was disputed land between Sweden and Russia from 12th century until it became Vyborg region within Russian Empire in 1721. And Finland was included in RE only in 1809. Defeated finns had to accept border of 1808 and refuse from aggressive dreams about "Great Finland".
Finns have always lived in the Vyborg region, so that makes it Finnish, doesn't it? Vyborg was a part of the Grand Duchy of Finland which means that the Russians agreed on that aswell.
@MembThePenguinII, Finland was a part of the Great Imperia of Russia which means that... means what? That Finland must be repubic of Russia Federation? Ok, I am agree.
@JanJanych Pigs can fly. Looks like some have forgotten that Finland IS a sovereign and independent nation - BY CHOICE; the FACT recognized by international community and the law.
Finland should join NATO so that lawless and rogue nation(s) couldn't do a quick one on her.
@kirkenes wrong, his plan was the occupation of the entire country. the attack plans were cutting finland in half in the north as well as quickly advancing through southern karelia and occupy helsinki. supposedly it would be over within 2 weeks.
Ten days is not true. Recorded FACTS tell otherwise.
And even if it were so (which it isn't); you sound an absolute jerk with your comment; i.e. a hairy monster bragging: "I'm 200 kg, it took me only ten days to knock down next door neighbor's ten year old son."
You should be rather hush hush about the fact that on the 13th of July, in 1944, the monster was bogged down and couldn't get further - ten year old was still holding his ground.
@Iwillra Idiot,Is it cowardice to defend land against cruel dictatorship?You have been read too much propaganda?We didn't like nazis,but we couldn't win Soviet Union without help of German
In the beginning of the war 1939, Molotov promised that Russians would be in Helsinki in a fortnight.
Now, it was Molotov who signed non-aggression pact (with its secret protocol) with Germany's Tribbentrop. In it Russia was to get a half of Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland.
Finland was no different to first four countries. ALL of Finland was to be occupied as the former four were.
that "Molotov promising" is just a myth. I see that you have read Mannerheim's memoirs coz you frequently quoting them in you comments. You don't want to understand that Mannerheim has bias point view coz he was a participaint of those events.
@Iwillra Molotov's boasting of getting to Helsinki in a fortnight was undoubtedly based partly on easiness with with Poland, Baltics, and Romania were invaded and occupied. Tiny Finland was going to be no different. A piece of cake.
Wrong!!
After FIVE YEARS Russian's never got to Helsinki.
It was Molotov himself who said, "we were stopped (by the Finns)"
It only now that Russians have come up with this expedient lip about a "buffer zone" and alike crap. Hogwash! Invasion FAILED! That's all.
Turhaan tuosta ButcherWingistä välitätte. Hän on suomettunut ryssännuolija joka vihaa Ruotsia ja ruotsin kieltä yli kaiken ja haukkuu jokaisen vähänkin Venäjään epäluuloisesti suhtautuvan "natsiksi". Kyseisellä henkilöllä on pasmat täysin sekaisin.
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Nice melody. But you have lost war. And Kareliya now in Russia. And you dream and further of Ural Mountains. In Russia speak - "to dream not harmfully".
LOST!?? How come we feel like winners...Ah, it must be because we stopped that big monster in its tracks. Hahahah...
Tell me something, what CAN you do? Set up cock fights...
Dream? Didn't you know we once owned all the lands from Lapland to Urals to Ukraine. We only claim back what's ours.
Once integrated "Russians" see their REAL origins, they wake up to themselves, cast out the brown-eyed-skinned curlies, and declare themselves as a part of the Old Finnish Kingdom again.
@obuBBubo Well, before russia owned finland, it belonged to sweden. So the people hwo finland whould have really belonged to, is sweden. Russia really failed against Finland. 300 000 finnish soldiers against 1 000 000 soviets? Still, soviets couldnt defeat Finland.
The topic here is that little Finnish propaganda song from 1940s. Would vovaapeli and Alexey6759 kindly take their personal little war to somewhere else, please. You both should go to Ossetia, Georgia or Hell - or jump into an ocean. Thank you!
No niin, nämä keskutelut usein alkavat jostakin ja päättyvät jonnekin. Tämä laulu on minusta lähinnä huvittava, naapurit suhtautuvat asiaan vähän totisemmin.
Mitä tarkoitat tarkemmin ottaen tuolla helvettiin painumisella? Onko kyseessä suoranainen uhkaus?
...When the political opposition turns out to be suppressed in Georgia - it's OK, the Georgia is the most democratic country in the region; when it takes place in Iran - it's government is bloody despotic! W-h-y? ))
Russia is occupying Georgian territory; East Ossetia and Abkhazia. According to the international law, these areas are legit parts of Georgia, even if some of the etnicity is Russian. The reason for that is the transfer of Russian people to the Grusian area during the time of Soviet Union, and now it is a problem.
wovaapeli, I like to discuss with you. ))) The main ethnities in South Osetia and Abkhazia are Osetians ans Abkhazians respectively (strange, yes? =)). These hot Caucasian people just don't like an idea to live under the Georgian rule. That's why they are actually (not officially) inependent since 1992 and 1993 respectively (well, after not a bad war in each case), and their border lines are crowded with peacemakers since that time(otherwise there will be a bloody bath again - 8.8.08 confirms).
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funny how in the end hitler was completely humiliated and defeated, his nation crushed while Stalin was triumphant and took berlin and was victoriously standing at the victory parade on 9 May 1945.
MaoistLeninistMarx 3 days ago
And between now and then I've done a lot of reading (both articles, and comments by those who are well informed in every respect) and as a result the post like yours stand out with a "loud" why-question mark to it. Relatives were reds; a die-hard once upon time communist; perhaps a rubles-based career....What...?This is for you:
A nation of 3.5 million was attacked by a nation of 184 million zombies - and the smaller one kept its independence. Explain that.
HEROIC FINNS! HURRAH!!
obuBBubo 2 weeks ago
@obuBBubo
fat troll
araprivet 1 week ago
@araprivet
Ain't you a bit far from your home turf, dude? Btw, "American communist" is mutually exclusive. So, first plane out...Be in it!!
obuBBubo 1 week ago
@obuBBubo Why "communist", I can't understand.
araprivet 1 week ago
@araprivet Your obvious knowledge of Russian lingo & the long list under the "more" in your profile.
obuBBubo 1 week ago
@obuBBubo
sigh
russian isn't mean "communist". there is no ussr for decades of years. my grand-grandfather was killed under Viborg, and he wasn't "mindless-zombie-communist-faggot-etc", just a soldier who got his orders. that's why I think about this commentaries as offencive ones.
araprivet 1 week ago
@araprivet Sorry to hear that. With the "zombie" I referred to people under communism. Their lives were much controlled. Neighbours and friends were spying on one another, children were asked at school of what their parents were talking at home, etc.; hence, thinking & true opinions & personality was suppressed. Add to that relentless propaganda at compulsory work-place indoctrination sessions, and you get followers; not individuals and leaders & self-starters.
Apologies, no offence intended.
obuBBubo 1 week ago
@obuBBubo
Well, got your point. Sorry for troll thing btw.
araprivet 1 week ago
Australissa pesivä, koti-ikävän runtelema, obuBBubo jaksaa jauhaa tolkutonta harhaansa suomalaisten 'urheasta menneisyydestä' ja nykyisyydestäkin. Eikö olisi jo syytä lopettaa huonon ja halvan paikallisen kaljan juonti ja herätä todellisuuteen. Onko todellisuus liian kovaa kestää?
KikkelstromPhD 4 weeks ago
@KikkelstromPhD PhD..; so there's no excuse - that ranting is by choice then; and because "Man always must do, and CANNOT but do except that which is topmost in his heart".
Now, I got "involved" in these debate by a chance; i.e. Three years ago, I was a member of a Texas-based forum. Someone posted a link to a Finnish song, commenting how "rough" it sounded. I listened to it, and couldn't understand a word! That one song led to others; and now three years later I understand almost everything.
obuBBubo 2 weeks ago
Kuulkaapa nyt kaikki 'historian dosentit'! Lopettakaa paskan jauhaminen vieraalla kielellä ja kuunnelkaa laulua dokumenttina lapsellisesta suomalaisesta propagandatuotannosta kyseiseltä aikakaudelta. Yhtä lapsellisia propagandalauluja oli kaikilla muillakin sotaan osallistuneilla mailla. Ihan kiva laulu ensimmäisellä kuulemalla, mutta jo toisen kerran jälkeen alkaa lapsellinen typeryys yököttää.
KikkelstromPhD 1 month ago
@KikkelstromPhD Aamen.
antisankari15 1 month ago
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sinullapa kiinnostavia kappaleita!
anneli4343 3 months ago
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anneli4343 3 months ago
Google Translator, much?
CatholicSpaceNazi 6 months ago
@CatholicSpaceNazi Nope, translation was ready in one website.. And it is true that this translation is weak as in others in my videos (taken from that same site) Sadly I have no time to make better version.
MythicSJK 5 months ago
There was always a "Finnish" land between these two monarchies. Since the 1200s it was called Ostmark and since 1809 Grand Duchy, under the Swedish crown and the Russian czars, respectively. Not true? Please argue. It is not a simple history. The writer of this owes much to both sides. Independence, however, cannot be sold for any price. I will enter (preferably into the Finnish Luftwaffe as a mechanician or guardian of the dogs) any time necessar though I am an elderly sucker.
Kissinpoika 8 months ago
вот твари неблагодарные
iprovizor 8 months ago
@iprovizor Uraliin !
Uraliin !
:)
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@CTYLXHY Go fuck yourself sideways. Finland didn't exist before 1918. There're no "Finnish" lands. Only Swedish and Russian ones. :P
kirkenes 8 months ago
@kirkenes You might want to study history before coming here to argue. Finland DID exist before 1918, just not as a sovereign nation. Which is a good example of how long we had to fight for our independence and how quickly the Russians wanted to take it away from us again.
tuore 8 months ago
@tuore The Russians stopped caring about you circa 1917 when the Empire ceased to exist. Not that they cared much before that either. And should we say that Saamiland has been in existence since time immemorial, just not as a sovereign nation? And so horrible was the Russian yoke in 1809-1917 that the Finnish population almost quadrupled :)
kirkenes 8 months ago
@kirkenes The saamis haven't sought political recognition before very lately. They have been a minority tribe, just like the Sorbs in Germany or Rhaetoromans in Switzerland.
Of course population continues to multiply when a century passes. People don't stop making children because they are under Russian control.
Finland had official status as a Grand Duchy from 1809 to 1917. Depending on the current Russian emperor, we fared well or we fared bad.
tuore 8 months ago
@CTYLXHY lands are never return, it's only taken back
yakudza1988 9 months ago
"Reply to this video ... There is a saying - you never do good for people, and then you will not see evil." (CTYLXHY) Saying is absurd.
Had Russians stayed behind their own border - NO evil would've been present.
Now, in attacking Finland unprovoked (i.e. they didn't do good) MUCH evil was present.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@CTYLXHY At 60s or 70s China wasn't same as its nowadays. If you haven't noticed, China has nuclear weapons as well.
Yes Germany and USSR started WW2 when they started to fill goals of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Waiting few weeks before entering to Poland after Germany was only hoax from Stalin. Hitler was furious when he heard that. Stalin played with two cards.
Finnish people are not strangers to you. 300 years? What you mean by that? Russia should return Finnish land. Why won't you?
tupakki 10 months ago
@CTYLXHY sucks heh heh
antisankari15 11 months ago
kuinkas sitten lopulta kävikään? eikös suomi saanut aika lujasti loimeensa.
tsorna 1 year ago
@tsorna Itse asiassa ei. Jatkosodan lopussa Suomen armeija seisoi vahvempana kuin koskaan aiemmin. Saksan surkea menestys oli lopun alkua myös Suomelle. Rauha tuli tehtyä ja rauhassa tuli oikein kunnolla takkiin. Siitä iso kiitos menee Paasikivelle, joka toki yritti sodan jälkeen saada Suomen alueita takaisin. Vähintään vuokrata Viipuri takaisin Suomelle.
tupakki 1 year ago
@CTYLXHY Yeah but you seem to forget that USSR were union with Hitler and starter WW2 by attacking to Poland. That never came to your mind?
In future, Russia will have a little problem in Asia. You should check what Chinese school books say about those areas which are now under Russia (big part of Manchuria). So I would be worried about that when your population is getting lower and lower.
tupakki 1 year ago
Finland lost the war it's a cruel fact. We lost over 200k from our people, with only 2-3mil population. Soviets lost only 1mil count to their 200mil.
Tonzai2002 1 year ago
@Tonzai2002 You mean that Finland lost 200 k in KIA? If you did, then your numbers are more than two times too high. Check your sources. Finland didn't loose the war. Finland and USSR made a peace with very high demands from Soviet Union. Germany lost the war and you can notice what happen for lost country. It got occupied, army needed to be surrend. One more thing is that goals of USSR didn't came true which would have happened if Finland would have really lost the war.
tupakki 1 year ago
@CTYLXHY was led by assholes. And russians think even that day that it was Finland who started that war. The biggest loser in our wars was Soviet, so there is no need to spam the name of that idiotic country here.
Zuomigundi 1 year ago
What was the name of that Russian Field Marshal, who remained faithful to the tzar Nicholas III when the latter was killed by Stalin, and then became the Finnish dictator?
Was it Bobrikoff?
Louqueetsch 1 year ago
@Louqueetsch What are you talking about? What finnish dictator? You mean Mannerheim? Bobrikov (Nikolai Ivanovitš Bobrikov) was a body of generals in Finland. There hasn't been such thing as dictator of Finland, if you didn't know.
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki I have heard that some chap was sentenced to 10 yrs of prison after the war by the Finns, so I presumed he was sort of a tyrant.
What do you mean by "a body of generals"? Was it a commission? I mean, "Iavnovist" sounds like a perfect Finnish abbreviation, but "Nikolai" and "Bobrikov" look like a Christian name and a surname. That must have been a German, yes? Like, von Bobrikow?
Louqueetsch 1 year ago
@Louqueetsch Actually,, tzar's name was Nicolas II, and marshal was Mannerheim. Well, he's a grand part of Russia's history, because he really served to Emperor with honest.
TheArtemZ 1 year ago
Есть пословица - никогда не делай людям добра, и тогда не увидишь зла.
Россия сделала финнам больше добра, чем зла - и во времена русской империи им хорошо жилось, и советской республикой им быть не пришлось, и завоевывать их до конца не стали. Хотя могли бы.
Только самые высшие души способны оценить добро и воздать сторицей за него. А низшие воспримут добро как слабость.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago 2
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Любил волк кобылу. Оставил хвост да гриву.
daychik777 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Хорошие слова, действительно так и было.
Но самого Маннергейма винить нельзя, эта война нужна была, иначе Ленинград бы точно взяли. Сама Финляндия не нужна была.
TheArtemZ 1 year ago
@TheArtemZ К Маннергейму нет вопросов, он просто сражался за свою страну, как и все должны в таких случаях.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
I didn't hear anything about Finnish imperia from Ukraine till Ural.
Karelia? come and get if you can.
and what do you mean, whether will we protect our citizens, former and real all over the world? of course we will!
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Ehm, we were offered to get Karelia back 15 years ago if we wanted it.
kiekkopojka8 1 year ago
@kiekkopojka8 It was a chance for you maybe, lands worth more than money. From the other side, how can you take the offer which was made in political madness.
Cooperation of these areas is the best choice if they want of course.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil No one wants Karelia back because you ruskies ruined it.
MikeRFIN 1 year ago
@MikeRFIN I think it's only tricks that no one wants. Only nature is brilliant. And what we ruined? guess nothing.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil the economy there is not too good, road conditions, apartment conditions, alot of stuff that ruskies cant/are too lazy to take care of, you've been in Svetogorsk?
MikeRFIN 1 year ago
@MikeRFIN No I haven't. Lack of money and that it's argue lands that's the reason. It's all solved problems just some labor! There's nothing irreversibly ruined.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Yeah, a labor camp near the border, and some badass guys in there. They could start fixing the place :D
MikeRFIN 1 year ago
@MikeRFIN No, such dreams remain in the old past I hope.
but still, to have lands it's hard work, not honourable privilege.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Sorry to put my nose to this discuss. What land you are talking about? You are talking those areas that Finland hand to hand over to USSR after the war?
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki About Eastern Karelia, and about other territories over Leningrad, which you were asked many times just of arenda for 30 years and then Winter War was possible to avoid. It all I read in Mannerheim's memories.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Actually Winter War could have been avoided if Finland would have given up for demands. That would have ment more demands. The case was identical with Baltic countries. First came ultimatum which those countries accepted, then came more demands wich ment the occupation of those countries. That would have lead to the occupation of Finland.I am familiar with Mannerheim's memories.He said that finnish army isn't ready for war so "Winter War" need to be avoided.Army need time to prepare
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki Mannerheim said those territories had small meaning for Finland and huge for Russia, which absolutely needed it to protect Leningrad with the big war at the door, and he considered your gov was should collaborate. They've hidden this discuss even from parlament and people.
In further Stalin probably would test you, how good are your soldiers. But he didn’t need in the rest of Finland so much, otherwise he would send another 10 mln of Russian lifes but got it.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Smaller meaning? I don't really think he has never said things like that. Is it possible that you tell me the page number on his memorias? I can check this. The protection of Leningrad was only a game for Stalin's regime. Neutral country like Finland wasn't threat. If Finland would have become a threat, then case would have been different, but that never happened.
Yes Stalin wanted to annex Finland to be a part of Soviet Union. Get back the might of "Russian Empire" and even more.
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki Page 109 of 249 in Russian. Here citation:
"I considered that we in one way or another should agree with Russians. I talked to the minister of foreign affairs Erkko about the offer of Shtejn but couldn't persuade him. I also have visited president and prime minister Kajandera personally to state my point of view. Has noticed that Aland islands have for Finland no value, and as they are neutralised, we haven't possibility of their protection. ----
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil ----The authority of Finland, in my opinion, also will not suffer, if we will agree on an exchange. For Russians these islands closing access to their naval base, have huge value and consequently we should try to benefit by those rare trumps which are available in our disposal. My point of view has not met understanding. I was answered, that the government, which would dare to offer something similar, would be compelled to retire and that any politician would not be ready to retire-
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil ---and that any politician would not be ready to oppose public opinion thus. On it I have answered that if really there will be no person, which for the sake of such vital for the state has risked the popularity in the people I offer myself in the order of the governments for I'm sure that people will understand my fair intentions. I have gone still further, having noticed that Finland would be favourable for proposing remove from Leningrad lines of border ---
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil ---and to obtain for it good compensation. Already when Vyborg in 1811 has again joined Finland, many held the opinion that border passes too close to Petersburg. So the minister state thought, in particular, Secretary Rebinder, and as I often heard at home, father of my grandfather the state adviser C. Е. Mannerheim stood on the same point of view. I have seriously warned, that ambassador Shtejn did not leave with empty-hands to Moscow.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil ----However it has occurred. On April, 6th he has left Helsinki, without having solved the problem charged to him. Parliament was not informed of the purpose of visit of Shtejn. About short-sighted concealment of this fact it is possible only to regret."
End of citation.
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil Yes that's exactly what I ment (I'll check it). Mannerheim himself would have been ready to accept demands of USSR as you wrote. According yo him, finnish army wasn't ready for war against USSR. If you think that Mannerheim thought that it would have prevent the war, you are wrong. He started silent mobilization at October 1939 when negotiations weren't even finished. When his plans to buy time didn't work, he threatened to leave his post.
tupakki 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil "Other" finns would have also been ready to give those demands up to Soviets but renting Hanko was too much. It was too big risk for Finland. Occupation of Finland would have been much easier in case of war. You should read what Yuri Kilin from Petrozavodsk University have said about the subject. From his studies you can find out real intentions of Stalin and Red Army. It's not true that Stalin wanted to protect the city of Leningrad. It's really interesting for people who think so.
tupakki 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil You know that the meaning of those areas that Soviet Union took from Finland was huge. Imagine that Russia would loose the second biggest city and much and much technology as mills. Stalin also wanted to have those mills from Karelia that he can start to make gun powder etc.. Finnish plants were much better than in USSR. He did that when he got those mills after the Winter War. Soviet Union wasn't defending itself. I also want to know why Russia still have those finnish land?
tupakki 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil About the East Karelia. It was lead by the finnish communist whos goal was to have Finland and East Karelia under communism. This was supported by Stalin. Stalin made conclusion in his head that if Finnish influence grow too high on East Karelia, it might lead that East Karelia join to Finland. That's why He ended it by killing almost all finns on East Karelia. Soviet Union didn't follow the Tarto treaty, which would have given right for Eastern Karelian, Finland didn't like it.
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki I mean that the secure of Leningrad is long gone. Russia doesn't need to scare the invasion through Finland anymore, not made by germans, brits, french or some other nationalities. Even if that was Stalins motive (which really wasn't), the reason doesn't exist anymore. Russia should hand those land back to Finland. Do you agree or why Russia still need those land? Finland would be more than happy to get back those lost lands.
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki I only don't get, seems you and Japan were offered in 90th the lost lands and both countries didn't agree. I can't understand it. Looks like you prefer condition of war better than lands?
Varezhkavil 1 year ago
@Varezhkavil I don't know how much you have been studying those negotiations between Finland and USSR. If you think that Finland was always saying no for demands of USSR. That's not true. Finland was ready to give up for those demands which wouldn't have collabsed the defence of Finnish army. As Hanko issue was one of them. Finland was ready to give Koivisto, which would have given direct access behind line of Mannerheim. Also it was USSR who stopped negotiations and started the war.
tupakki 1 year ago
Kiitos ettäoot pitänyt laulun originellana
magemaatikko 1 year ago
Well, kirkenes, we have contraicting inf. It is all well by me if we stick to truth. Stalin threw his primary attack armies onto the Karelian Isth. and a part of it into Sortavala. One of my uncles was lost and never found (Ruben). Today is to be seen a long border with barbed wire. The Soviet campaign to conquer Finland ender in a costly failure. Numbers? Finnish army: appr. 86000 killed, more than 200000 wounded. The Soviets lost, according to studies, a million men, killed of gone otherwise
Kissinpoika 1 year ago
Tärkeinta oli se, että Molotovin suunnitelmat onnistuttiin estämään. Molotov katkeroitui tappiosta Karjalan kannaksella niin, että kehtasi esiintyä Nurnbergissä (sorry no German letter available) cuni joku joka syyttää muita siksi että on itse tehnyt saman. The Finnish Carelian Army together with allies stopped the Russians.
Kissinpoika 1 year ago
The icon upon the flag is still russian so pls check the facts before you start commenting
Die Ikone am Finnischen Flagge ist Russisch. Sorry too bad
Kissinpoika 1 year ago
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Finland should apologise and pay compensation to Russia for the occupation of Russian Vyborg region in 1918-1945. And also for aggression against Russia in 1918-1922 when finns were trying to build so called "Great Finland" and even occupy Petrograd. Finns killed more than 50 000 Russian civilians. Suomi must apologise for these war crimes agains civil population.
dicthash 1 year ago
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Finland should apologise and pay compensation to Russia for the occupation of Vyborg region in 1918-1945. And also for aggression against Russia in 1918-1922 when finns were trying to build so called "Great Finland" and even occupy Petrograd. Finns killed more than 50 000 russian civilians. Suomi must apologise for these war crimes agains civil population.
dicthash 1 year ago
origin of "Russians" who live in the territory between Baltic sea, White sea, Moscow and Urals is Finnish, they just formally Russian, by documents. But etnically and genetically they are Finnish, not Slavic
MeryaMezha 1 year ago
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Господи, какие жы вы все, русские, крутая сволочь – либералы, фашисты, комунисты, демокарты – без разницы! Пороть вас до крови, сжечь вас в печах – и то мало будет – вы миру не даете ПРОСТО ЖИТЬ: кашины ваши, крыловы, мальгины! Поэтам – писАть, женщинам - вертеть жопой. Вы все – одна большая РУССКАЯ сволочь! Чтобы вам сдохнуть .
Такие дела.
P.s. Улицы сперва мести научитесь, унтерменши!
Canis1969Lupus 1 year ago
Suuri Suomi—Uraliin asti.
Ja Suuressa Suomessa Uraliin asti ruotsin kieli on oleva pakollinen oppiaine jokaisessa koulussa. :-)
Å å Å å Å å
Pomor1P 1 year ago
@Pomor1P Itse asiassa Itä-Karjalassa opiskeltiin jo ruotsia silloin kun se oli Suomen hallussa. Eli kertomasi ei ole mikään vitsi.
tupakki 1 year ago
Let's get it back!
hlehtonen 1 year ago
The finns wanted to marsch to the Ural..something came in their way....as usual Germany and Finland lost the war...
nurmiar 1 year ago
@nurmiar "As usual" You have some other similar case? :D
And we cant really call fight in finnish front victory for Soviets... In winter war they did really badly as they did in 1944 when all their attacks were stopped.
LapinPete 1 year ago
@nurmiar
donecert 1 year ago
Finland and Germany lost the war, as usual..in the beginning(1941) the finns and the germans was very certain of victory..but Russia won the war..Germany , Finland ALWAYS looses every war
nurmiar 1 year ago
Lol u trollin :D
pedarikarhu 1 year ago
well, not becaming 16th republic of soviet union is defenetly epic win... but betrayal of german allies when russians came back "from urals" - shame on U, traitors... :\
OgrabliatorKorovanov 1 year ago
Sorry min Herren. Kinda reckoned that the highlighted "NO" added nothing to what had already been translated - except that it showed the original to have been opposite in meaning to what our friend's translation said; i.e. not everywhere vs. everywhere.
obuBBubo 2 years ago
- pero NO se por que en todas parter, los fascistas tienen muy buena musica tambien - LOL
This piece was NOT meant to be a demonstration of grandest of marching songs. It is purely poking fun at the enemy (Bolsheviks), who without a warning and provocation attacked a rather defenseless INDEPENDENT and NEUTRAL nation in 1939.
If no attack, guns would've pointed west.
Those who KNOW their history, don't throw tags around too loosely. Si?
obuBBubo 2 years ago 9
jo¡ i am communist and everything you want, but everywhere the fascists has great music, look at the fascist of the 350 division
lorentxe 2 years ago
jo¡ seré comunista y todo lo que quieras, pero no se por que en todas partes, los fascistas tienen muy buena musica tambien, hay que joderse, fijate en los fachas de la división 350
lorentxe 2 years ago
Could you kindly translate that in english that everyone can understand it?
MythicSJK 2 years ago 8
helvetin hyvä suomennos!!! kiitos
penakiller 1 year ago
@lorentxe estas diciendo fascistas a los fineses? te has leido la letra de la cancion? si no es asi no comentes el video ;) Yo no niego que hubieran fineses fascistas, pero la mayoria eran anti-comunistas porque estos eran sus enemigos desde 1918. adios y corre como si no hubiera mañana ;)
panzerspahwagen 1 year ago
mave.foorumi.eu
marjis3 1 year ago
Yeah, they would've welcomed them as patriots for refusing to live in foreign lands.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 2
My conclusion is drawn from two sound premises.
Argumentum ad Hominen is NEVER valid.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 4
@obuBBubo
kiva kouluampuja-persoonallisuus sulla
78fin 2 years ago
se on äitiä eikä äikiä perkele
kurttu2003 2 years ago
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obuBBubo 2 years ago
Ei ehkä paras käännös englanniksi, mutta pelkästä yrityksestä kääntää näitä lauluja kaikkien ymmärrettäväksi ansaitse kiitosta. =) Pientä hiontaa vain, nii vot!
RedheadScorpio 2 years ago
You just demonstrated your ugly Russian arrogance by writing in Russian.
Well, I tell you a secret fella. Feature video on my channel says:
(had not the veterans fought) the land would be the westmost province, and we would speak a foreign tongue, and the 6th of December would be only a weekday.
Well, the Country is called Finland, they speak Finnish there, and the 6th of December is their INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! So there (did I see a red face...?)
English lesson 1: Njet Molotoff = no
obuBBubo 2 years ago 4
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you are the arrogant one. Mix ei muka saisi venäjäksikin kommentoida?
78fin 2 years ago
@78fin Really!? You learn something new every day, eh.
Why not? Firstly, because the boss of this joint says so (read what he says about it a few lines down, please).
Secondly, because the song is in Finnish, and translation in English. So, onus is on visitors to communicate in the given setting clearly and in a manner they can be understood.
Now, if I ignore the setting and PERSONS in it; I do so out of spite and arrogance.
You stand corrected.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 7
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You must be in elementary school still. Just hope you grow up.
78fin 2 years ago
Я лично счастлив, что правительство Финляндии вело себя благоразумно при драке больших псов. Франция и Германия учили нас. Что же не вы, Финляндия и Швеция?
ivanaseev 2 years ago
English please...
SternMann93 2 years ago
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obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
Good. So we agree that the two hegemonies didn't consider human suffering in their unquenchable thirst for power and influence.
Which one is worse? the one that was decimated, or the one that remained?
Russia should forget her Tsarist & communist past (glories), bring her sons and daughters home from FOREIGN LANDS, and re-build Russia.
That after hundreds of years of occupation nations are able to re-claim their independence is in itself remarkable. "I speak, therefore I exist".
obuBBubo 2 years ago 5
We couldn't care less about all this western crap.
Iwillra 2 years ago
Ah, it's you again. Well, I thought yous got it, but guess not.
See, with his handshake Stalin SANCTIONED the Munchen agreement, AND gave Hitler a permission to get even more; providing that Stalin himself could have his dirty snout in the broth as well.
And Hitler, Stalin's pal, happily obliged. Then a few days later the two bosom buddies (two nazis) made their move, and the west declared war on Germany.
And sneaky bastard Stalin began planning "Mainilan laukauksia"
Goodbye gents.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
I think with your imagination you could write good fantasy novels. Stalin was pro nazi ? Finland was an integral part of Axis but not USSR. Stalin shook hands with Hitler? Every European leader did the same. As to Finland they prefer to lick Hitler's ass more
Iwillra 2 years ago
Fanciful to you reveals your ignorance, Ivan.
Non-fictional facts are:
- Molotov-Ribbentrop pact signed 24.8.39
- Poland invaded and "shared" 1.9.39
- Finland invaded 30.11.39
- Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania annexed 1939
FACT is CCCP and Nazis had their snouts in the same broth.
"Integral part" my foot. A neutral nation AFTER your failed attempt asked for outside help.
So, get your facts right, Pal; or are you being monitored so that you can't access the wealth of information around?
obuBBubo 2 years ago 4
I get you facts right
The Munich Pact signed 30 September 1938 On October 1, 1938 the area of Zaolzie was annexed by Poland following the Munich Agreement. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania couldn't be considered as independent states.
As to Finland in 1919 they attacked the ships of the Baltic fleet without any reasons. Who could trust them after that?
Iwillra 2 years ago
Munich Agreement
Munich Agreement
Munich Agreement
UltiimaGuardian 2 years ago
LalalaLallaa......
Munchen, Munchen, Munchen
How I miss your Meadows green
Your flowing rivers
Oh when, oh when....
obuBBubo 2 years ago
actually germany trained in russia before the outbreak of the war along side of soviet red army. When germans went to Stalingrad many factories had german built machinery, so its safe to say stalin and hitler shook hands alot. You need to study factual history, not victors history, theres a big difference.
isohisso 2 years ago
That's rubbish UG, Stalin and his pal, Hitler the Nazi, sat down together to carve out parts of Europe for themselves.
So, Hitler the Nazi gave Stalin the Butcher a green light to attack Finland.
Now, twisted Russian that he was, he used all kinds of pretexts to hide his real agenda, which was to occupy all of Finland.
Buffer zone is nothing but crap. Give me YOUR HOUSE!! NO! It's MINE!!
MOST pro-nazi was Stalin himself. He shook hands with THE arch-nazi Hitler to invade INDEPENDENT NATION.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 2
What cowards, lol.
Holes were in the chests covering fearless and brave hearts, and NOT in between the shoulder blades.
Moreover, ratio was 1 to 10 or something. That is, for every one hole in the brave and fearless chest, there were ten (10) holes found in between eyes of ten russians. Not bad, eh.
You were supposed to be in Helsinki in no time; couldn't get there even in five (5) years.
So much for your "great and mighty CCCP". So much for your toothless bear mouth.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
Soviet's main goal was move
borderline to far away from Leningrad
becouse we can see in propaganda yor goverment was pro-Nazi
UltiimaGuardian 2 years ago
Butcher attacked INDEPENDENT NATION WITHOUT PROVOCATION 30.11.1939; the song was written in 1942; therefore, your "becouse we can see" is baseless and invalid argument.
Apology and returning of the chicken you rustled is what's need here, NOT justification.
There was none, and there never will be any justification for your unprovoked killing of sleeping women and children along the border in 1939.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
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What is this finish crap about? It took only 10 days to defeat Finland cowards in 1944.
Iwillra 2 years ago
*can't stop laughing*
You Russians have really good sense of humor! Propaganda is always propaganda.
But really, what defeat? Yes, we lost some land and we needed to pay you some money/products but Soviet's main goal - invading whole Finland - didn't ever happen.
MythicSJK 2 years ago 29
Just because it was a deal between Cherchil and Stalin.
Iwillra 2 years ago
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@MythicSJK
what defeat? Finns had to return stolen Vyborg region. This is not finnish land. It was disputed land between Sweden and Russia from 12th century until it became Vyborg region within Russian Empire in 1721. And Finland was included in RE only in 1809. Defeated finns had to accept border of 1808 and refuse from aggressive dreams about "Great Finland".
dicthash 1 year ago
@dicthash "what defeat?"
The one Chrutchev called "after the defeat of our forces in 1944 (Stalin lost his nerve)"
The one in which 300 out of Soviet's 1000 tanks were knocked out at Ilomantsi. Russians attack was ground to halt.
Invasion had FAILED again (second time in five years)
Stalin's plan to force Finns to surrender came to nothing; instead he was himself softened to begin negotiations instead.
Poor buggers, all those men and arms and couldn't bring down nighbours ten year old boy.
obuBBubo 1 year ago 9
@dicthash
Finns have always lived in the Vyborg region, so that makes it Finnish, doesn't it? Vyborg was a part of the Grand Duchy of Finland which means that the Russians agreed on that aswell.
MembThePenguinII 1 year ago 13
@MembThePenguinII, Finland was a part of the Great Imperia of Russia which means that... means what? That Finland must be repubic of Russia Federation? Ok, I am agree.
JanJanych 1 month ago
@JanJanych Pigs can fly. Looks like some have forgotten that Finland IS a sovereign and independent nation - BY CHOICE; the FACT recognized by international community and the law.
Finland should join NATO so that lawless and rogue nation(s) couldn't do a quick one on her.
obuBBubo 4 weeks ago
@MythicSJK Stalin had no plans to annex the whole of Finland. Just that - NO PLANS. He didn't give a hoot.
kirkenes 1 year ago
@kirkenes wrong, his plan was the occupation of the entire country. the attack plans were cutting finland in half in the north as well as quickly advancing through southern karelia and occupy helsinki. supposedly it would be over within 2 weeks.
balticwater 1 year ago
Just had a look at your channel, pal.
It must've been a shock. I mean, russian hordes were dreaming of raping and pillaging, and got a button between their eyes instead, lol.
Lights out+one more hole in the ground, and that much better world.
obuBBubo 2 years ago
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Iwillra 2 years ago
Ten days is not true. Recorded FACTS tell otherwise.
And even if it were so (which it isn't); you sound an absolute jerk with your comment; i.e. a hairy monster bragging: "I'm 200 kg, it took me only ten days to knock down next door neighbor's ten year old son."
You should be rather hush hush about the fact that on the 13th of July, in 1944, the monster was bogged down and couldn't get further - ten year old was still holding his ground.
And the monster said: "Me not know what to do."
obuBBubo 2 years ago 4
@Iwillra Idiot,Is it cowardice to defend land against cruel dictatorship?You have been read too much propaganda?We didn't like nazis,but we couldn't win Soviet Union without help of German
donecert 1 year ago
@Iwillra but in the winterwar you didnt get it even with so much more men/material......
Snihhora 1 year ago
@Snihhora There was no goal to conquer Finland.
Iwillra 1 year ago
@Iwillra Of course there was.
In the beginning of the war 1939, Molotov promised that Russians would be in Helsinki in a fortnight.
Now, it was Molotov who signed non-aggression pact (with its secret protocol) with Germany's Tribbentrop. In it Russia was to get a half of Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland.
Finland was no different to first four countries. ALL of Finland was to be occupied as the former four were.
obuBBubo 1 year ago
@obuBBubo
that "Molotov promising" is just a myth. I see that you have read Mannerheim's memoirs coz you frequently quoting them in you comments. You don't want to understand that Mannerheim has bias point view coz he was a participaint of those events.
dicthash 1 year ago
@dicthash "that "Molotov promising" is just a myth."
Not so.
- It was commonly know at the time (in a public domain)
- Molotov signed the pact; he was there, he knew the "agenda"
- Baltics & half of Poland were promptly and swiftly invaded occupied
- Finland was to be the same; i.e. Red Army would be in Helsinki in a same swift fashion.
- Then, when interviewed after the war, he curses on "us being stopped" and says: "Not I, nor Stalin but that #@!!# Finnish army!"
Very clear fact, NOT myth.
obuBBubo 1 year ago 3
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@obuBBubo
and Russia didn't "get a half of Finland." Russia just returned its own land that was temporary occupied by new born Finland.
dicthash 1 year ago
@dicthash Half of POLAND, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia as per Molotov/Ribbentrop.
Finland was no different to the four, but was to be FULLY occupied by Russians. Well it didn't happen.
Yea, times of colonialism are over. Looks like emperor Putin is the only one who's too thick to understand it.
A woman recently put him in his place: "You did nothing!!" (about the forest fires).
Once at leas the smooth-talking tiger guy was left wordless, lol.
obuBBubo 1 year ago 3
@Iwillra Molotov's boasting of getting to Helsinki in a fortnight was undoubtedly based partly on easiness with with Poland, Baltics, and Romania were invaded and occupied. Tiny Finland was going to be no different. A piece of cake.
Wrong!!
After FIVE YEARS Russian's never got to Helsinki.
It was Molotov himself who said, "we were stopped (by the Finns)"
It only now that Russians have come up with this expedient lip about a "buffer zone" and alike crap. Hogwash! Invasion FAILED! That's all.
obuBBubo 1 year ago
@Iwillra HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA :D:D:D:D retard... Finland nowadays is a welfare country... meanwhile in Russia... children grow on the streets...
Tailgunner757 1 year ago
@Tailgunner757 good joke!
Iwillra 1 year ago
@Iwillra Learn history,we had trench warfare from 1941 to 1944,it wasn't 10 days...
donecert 1 year ago
Turhaan tuosta ButcherWingistä välitätte. Hän on suomettunut ryssännuolija joka vihaa Ruotsia ja ruotsin kieltä yli kaiken ja haukkuu jokaisen vähänkin Venäjään epäluuloisesti suhtautuvan "natsiksi". Kyseisellä henkilöllä on pasmat täysin sekaisin.
FFulmenTheFinnish 2 years ago 2
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Mitäs natsipaskaa tää on?
ButcherWing 2 years ago
Tämä on jokseenkin huumoripitoista propagandaa, josta sinun on turha käyttää sanaa "natsi" ollenkaan.
MythicSJK 2 years ago 7
@MythicSJK Could you kindly translate that in english that everyone can understand it?
Zoleira 1 year ago
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@MythicSJK Could you kindly translate that in english that everyone can understand it?
Zoleira 1 year ago
turpa jumiin
theLEMONcitrus 1 year ago
How come? Hakkapeliitta and a straight sword....
If so, they must've stolen the idea. Hmm...they are good at stealing; always hand in other people's cookie jars.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 7
Hauskaa, mutta vaakuna on Venäjän.
Kissinpoika 2 years ago
Miksi olen saanut käsityksen, että se on:
"Miksi Suomi kuunnellut ei Tiltua ja Äikiää"
Ei siis äitiä...
ellissabbet 2 years ago 2
Kyllä, kyllä Armas Äikiästä oli kyse. Kommunistinen propagandatorvi venäjän käytössä.
Mainilanlaukaisija 2 years ago
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Nice melody. But you have lost war. And Kareliya now in Russia. And you dream and further of Ural Mountains. In Russia speak - "to dream not harmfully".
ropschatank 2 years ago
LOST!?? How come we feel like winners...Ah, it must be because we stopped that big monster in its tracks. Hahahah...
Tell me something, what CAN you do? Set up cock fights...
Dream? Didn't you know we once owned all the lands from Lapland to Urals to Ukraine. We only claim back what's ours.
Once integrated "Russians" see their REAL origins, they wake up to themselves, cast out the brown-eyed-skinned curlies, and declare themselves as a part of the Old Finnish Kingdom again.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 7
@obuBBubo Well, before russia owned finland, it belonged to sweden. So the people hwo finland whould have really belonged to, is sweden. Russia really failed against Finland. 300 000 finnish soldiers against 1 000 000 soviets? Still, soviets couldnt defeat Finland.
Settis1 1 year ago
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Симпатичная мелодия. Но войну вы проиграли. И Карелия сейчас в России.
А вы мечтайте и дальше об Урале.
В России говорят - "мечтать не вредно".
ropschatank 2 years ago
And english please.
MythicSJK 2 years ago
You know better than that. And we are no idiots either.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
We think not. Only jumping we will ever do is jumping for joy on the day when Karelia has been handed back to its rightful owners, the Finnish people.
Wovaapeli is within the topic with his comment; e.g. Russia of today warns Finland not to join NATO.
Also, he correctly identifies and draws parallel between past and present in reference to the song.
Song is a good counterbalance to Teedrill's pre-historic utopia songs. In the light of naked history, they are comic.
obuBBubo 2 years ago 3
The topic here is that little Finnish propaganda song from 1940s. Would vovaapeli and Alexey6759 kindly take their personal little war to somewhere else, please. You both should go to Ossetia, Georgia or Hell - or jump into an ocean. Thank you!
KikkelstromPhD 2 years ago
No niin, nämä keskutelut usein alkavat jostakin ja päättyvät jonnekin. Tämä laulu on minusta lähinnä huvittava, naapurit suhtautuvat asiaan vähän totisemmin.
Mitä tarkoitat tarkemmin ottaen tuolla helvettiin painumisella? Onko kyseessä suoranainen uhkaus?
wovaapeli 2 years ago
well said. they are a wee bit off topic aren't they?
TheMapper 2 years ago
Not at all.
Indeed, what was "their" topic: "going to hell", "jumping in the ocean", "trolls in the fair land", etc.
Your comment is as twisted as his - twins?
obuBBubo 2 years ago
what?
TheMapper 2 years ago
PS.: and yes, sorry for mistakes :)))
Alexey6759 2 years ago
...When the political opposition turns out to be suppressed in Georgia - it's OK, the Georgia is the most democratic country in the region; when it takes place in Iran - it's government is bloody despotic! W-h-y? ))
Alexey6759 2 years ago
Russia is occupying Georgian territory; East Ossetia and Abkhazia. According to the international law, these areas are legit parts of Georgia, even if some of the etnicity is Russian. The reason for that is the transfer of Russian people to the Grusian area during the time of Soviet Union, and now it is a problem.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
wovaapeli, I like to discuss with you. ))) The main ethnities in South Osetia and Abkhazia are Osetians ans Abkhazians respectively (strange, yes? =)). These hot Caucasian people just don't like an idea to live under the Georgian rule. That's why they are actually (not officially) inependent since 1992 and 1993 respectively (well, after not a bad war in each case), and their border lines are crowded with peacemakers since that time(otherwise there will be a bloody bath again - 8.8.08 confirms).
Alexey6759 2 years ago