Mixing Samba Drums Bhangra & Bagpipes from Samba Agogo

[happygino]

Hi Neilandfi

Thanks for your comments, and it has never been our intention to steal or not give credit where credit is due. Can you send me the link where this is mentioned and I will email someone from the band to change it for you. I haven't been back to mid wales for over two years now.

Are you still involve with the samba scene back in the UK?

Many thanks sambagino

[happygino]

Hello everyone

It's Gino here from Samba Agogo who posted the original video even though I now reside in Sydney and play with other bands.

First of all no-one from the band has or ever stated it's our original piece how can we when Zoe first played it when she played with Repercussion Street Band?

I would love to see this website you are talking about as it has never existed and we would never pass it off as a 'Samba Agogo Original' as clearly it's not!

Happy Drumming from sambagino :-)

[neilandfi]

@happygino Long dead argument I know, but as I came across it again, the Samba Agogo web page has now been updated. The old one... can't remember exactly what it said, but IIR it was something along the lines of the videos being of Samba Agogo original arrangements.. I did not want to stop anyone playing it.. just a little pissed off about that comment at the time. I taught the arrangement to Repercussions back in about 2000. Originally arranged for Baixa (Malvern samba) about 2 years earlier.

[ograndeviado]

there is nothing original in this, it is generic samba reggae, if someone hasnt played something exactly the same somewhere long ago I would be very surprised. It is just a basic rhythm, no melody, no tune and no vocals. The bloke who first started tapping on a log ,millions of year ago would turn in his grave at your claims.

By the way I have no connection to any of this arguement I just cant see what the problem is.

[angelicbabykiss]

This particular (fairly simple) arrangement may be something you put in 'order' - but it's not YOURS. If it was you'd have some right/control over it - but you don't! Get it? I am merely reacting to your claims of ownership - Thus far you've said...

'...exactly as I taught it'

'...I taught this arrangement...which is my own work'

'...and yes, the arrangement is mine'

'..the arrangement is mine.The breaks are my own devising'

It's all me, me me... You need to get over yourself.

[neilandfi]

Again, you seem incapable of simple comprehension, so let's backtrack a little.

On the band's website there is a claim that this is their original piece, so as a matter of fact (to paraphrase you) it's all them, them ,them...and THAT was the point. If I wanted to claim creative rights over it, I am in a position to do so, but I don't. I suggest you go back to playing with your neopets or something like that which might be more on your intellectual level.

[angelicbabykiss]

Point is - it's NOT yours in any way or form. You are not in a position to claim any creative rights (or grant permission for others to use it). You just think you have this right - which is why you get upset when you hear others play or claim it. I'd like to see you actually try to claim copyright for any of this. You wouldn't get very far at all AND you know it.

[neilandfi]

You haven't got a clue what you're on about and you're boring me now, so you're on the "Ignore" setting. You haven't managed to wind me up at all, because you have singularly missed the entire point, and the quality of reasoning you used was pretty much summed up in your first 2 words to me..."F.off"

[angelicbabykiss]

I have every clue. You just don't like it . My message is C.L.E.A.R:

THIS RHYTHM IS NOT 'YOURS' TO CLAIM LICENCE, COPYRIGHT OR ANY OTHER 'RIGHTS' OVER. IF IT IS - THEN PLEASE GO AHEAD AND TRY TO ENFORCE THESE IMAGINARY RIGHTS! Who cares if you ignore me? I've been able to restate my point - over and over. And yes, my first message to you, down to the last, stands.

[angelicbabykiss]

neilandfi, it's not 'yours', 'your version' or having come 'directly from you'. Where did you get it from -born with 'it' were you? Point is, you don't own any of it - you just think you do. You cannot create for the sake of communal togetherness and celebration alone can you? That's what this music is about - yes - shock, horror.

I won't be crediting you/lady in video with anything when I recreate it and pass it onto hundreds thereafter...Please free to sue us.

[neilandfi]

You don't HAVE to credit me with it...or haven't you been reading. As for where I got it from..again, you seem a little hard of understanding..the arrangement is mine.The breaks are my own devising, but the rhythm is clearly bhangra inspired.

And I've been doing this since the 1980's..I doubt you have much to offer me concerning "shock, horror",what this music is about.

Because I think you're an obnoxious and dishonest person, when did you see my band? What was it called?

[samostig]

wow, if that's an angelic baby kiss i'd hate to be slapped!!

...and while neil is certainly opinionated and often abrasive he is right both that this arrangement came directly from him, and that it is normal good manners, if nothing else, to acknowledge other peoples material, or at very least not claim it as your own...

ps are you really 100s of years old, or just the 80?

[angelicbabykiss]

Touched a nerve eh? Still believe YOU created 'versions' of samba or bhangra and can permit others to use it or not? Well, it's street music - created, played and belonging to the street. Not to control freaks like you. It's not hard to create these rhythms - we've been doing it for centuries. Ask yourself why samba over here attracts megalomaniacs like you? Who are you to judge what is low or high 'quality'? Post a video response if you're a genius......and we'll be the judge.

[neilandfi]

Maybe you need to sit in a darkened room for a while and calm down. If you read my original comment you will notice that I said I was pissed off about the claim on the band's website that this is their original piece. I certainly don't mind people playing it, nor do I mind at all if they don't say where it came from, but Malvern were playing this arrangement many years ago...and yes, the arrangement is mine.

[neilandfi]

Don't be stupid. I taught this arrangement...which is my own work. I taught this version of Bhangra to Zoe and other members of repercussions at workshops in Brecon a number of years ago. I have no objection to anyone using it, but to claim it as her own is a bit cheap. Which band did you hear? When? Nothing competetive about any of them.And if I wanted be "cool", I wouldn't be playing samba.

Now run along and find some nice, quiet, low quality shite to listen to.

[neilandfi]

Must admit, I'm not particularly impressed by your website implying that this is YOUR ORIGINAL piece. The only original thing on there is the bagpipes and the gutless manner of the performance. The rest of it, Zoe, is exactly as I taught it to members of Repercussions. I'm flattered that you thought it worth playing, but decidedly pissed off at the arrogance of claiming it as "Original".

[angelicbabykiss]

F.off you idiot. You think you invented samba - fool! This lady is doing great - they're all playing together & allowing playing/listening space for the bagpipes too. Your band is too effing loud & competitive to be cool. And just in case you're peab brain is wondering - NO, I am not a member of this band, NO they have not put me up to this, And NO you do not know me personally. I have heard you play and competitive bigheaded halfwits like you make me sick.