Senator Sanders Unfiltered: Healthcare Reform 101

[Wilone328]

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[Dashkatt]

What this socialist bastard from the great state of child molesters fails to tell you is that his 40,000,000 uninsured includes illegal aliens and citizens that CHOOSE not to buy health coverage. After you take out the bullshit, that leaves roughly 10 million people without coverage. He is an avowed socialist, firmly against the American way of life. He needs to honor this country with a contribution such as Ted Kennedy offered a few weeks ago... And the sooner the better.

[northmeister]

Dashdouche...So let me get this right...You think its good that we pay 6,000 per capita for healthcare compared to 3,000 in Canada - that 40,000,000 uninsured going to ER's costing even more money is grand, oh thats rights, its 10,000,000 my mistake - that its heavenly that we allow any Citizen, our fellow Americans and countryman pay higher and higher premiums to support 30% admin costs with less and less payouts oh and if they failed to report to be denied - Yes man!, treat others as yourself!

[JonDavidson]

Single Payer was killed. The Public Option has just been killed. The insurance companies plan worked: they scared Americans with a smear campaign and paid thugs at Town Hall meetings to scream down the speakers, and they poured millions of dollars into Democrat Congressmen's pockets, to bribe them into switching sides.

The American voter is too apathetic to make a phone call to their Senator regarding this con job: And so, we deserve what we get; to be enslaved to our insurance company.

[PetersenSpuk]

I disagree. The Insurance companies may have scared a few citizens, but most of them still favor a public option. The objective was never to build a true public consensus against the public option. That would be impossible. The point was as you said, "to bribe [the Democrats] into switching sides."

You see, in America, it really isn't important to win vast public support as most realize that the system is already not working for them. That is why voters are apathetic. But we can change things.

[pokeinsider]

Pass the PUBLIC OPTION now call your Congressman and tell them to PASS the PUBLIC OPTION.

[dookiexxful]

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[irival]

To the power that is involved rigging this thread...

Your bias is too blatant to be believable. You will need to allow cogent, sensible arguements against your point of view at least some of the time. There are many posts with strongly crafted arguments, that have too many thumbs down to be believable. Your are in effect, hurting your won agenda by overdoing it.

You need to allow some posts or your objective will fail.

[old138]

I wont guberment run help-care cuz them run our skools real good.

[thisoldhate]

There are always people stupid enough to believe a lie, and they may be very loud in conjunction with stupid, but we must not let them sway us (the thinking public). SINGLE PAYER OR BUST!

[Orlor]

While I agree with your sentiment, there is no way that this country would go Single - Payer. Look at all the ruckus that Public Option created. It would be a hundred times worse if SP was seriously considered.

And believe me, my dream would be SP.

[ReliableInsider]

Insurance companies HATE Single Payer because all of the money that goes to their profits would go to doctors and hospitals instead.

That's why patients LOVE Single Payer.

Our precious health care dollars should be spent on medicine, not on advertising.

Hey, insurance companies, enough with the expensive ads already. Let's start putting our energy into healing people.

[Tuvokami]

Wrong

Just try asking some doctors how they feel about dealing with medicare and medicaid now.

There are other ways to increase competion. The most important is to stop structuring the tax system to encourage employer provided HC and put it back in the hands of real people who will shop and force competition.

A public option isn't competition, its a road to a government monopoly on your healthcare choices.... and it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and that matters!

[jimkiely1960]

Tuvokami -

Yours is the single most dull-witted post I've ever read on the subject of health-insurance reform.

Do the senators and reps espousing your point of view complain about the government insurance they have? No. And let me assure you, their coverage is much, much better than yours and most likely cheaper. Stop being a sucker and think.

[weaseldragon]

I guess that makes the US Postal Service and the VA unconstitutional as well.

[es347]

Single payer program cheaper? Total BS. Don't forget to ask our British and Canadian friends about death rates and rationing. It's common knowledge that they both suffer from it yet network news avoids the topic like the plague. If this govt. run healthcare bill passes it will be the fuel that destroys our economy and in turn our country which it exactly what Obama intends.

[weaseldragon]

Both the UK and Canada have HIGHER life expectancy and LOWER infant mortality (death rates), and LOWER cost as a percentage of GDP and LOWER cost per capita. (The US spends more than double per capita as either the UK or Canada.) But I expect that you'll continue to lie, because there might be some people stupid enough to believe you.

[irival]

You have failed to acknowledge or address the our English brethrens concerns and dislikes of their healthcare, such as the waiting lists and rationing and poor quality of care.

To give control over your health to others is

not sensible. Please think of the consequences of your intentions more deeply,

I am sure you will agree that in the interest of your own health, only you should be in control.

Not others...

[scotchfaster]

"To give control over your health to others is not sensible"

It's sadly inevitable, though. Most of us will have expensive hospitalization at some point. I'm looking at a heart valve replacement in the nearer future, which would probably bankrupt me if I had to finance it.

Do I trust my health to a corporation, with its duty to maximize profits and minimize costs? It's not in their best interests, which is why I had such a hard time getting insured. In this case, I trust the gov't more.

[irival]

I am saddened that I cannot persuade you. For now your are free, and you have the ability to choose. But if you continue in this fashion, to choose conveience over self-reliance--over freedom, the day will come when your ability to choose will have been eroded away, and your children will be born into servitude. My assertion may be hard to understand, but history repeats, and those who do not learn from it are destined to repeat it.

[scotchfaster]

BTW, we're not going to have universal single care in the US any time soon, but about waiting lists and complaints in countries that have it: no system is perfect. But I do have a cousin who moved from NYC to New Zealand many years ago, and although the wait may be longer, their healthcare is good and not a financial burden to them. When she talks to Americans, she's struck by how afraid we are of losing our health insurance...even staying in jobs we hate for it. Not in NZ.

Imagine the freedom.

[irival]

My friend,

Freedom is the ability to choose for yourself, to think for yourself, to be responsible for yourself. While you, or I, may willingly choose to give our freedoms away, you must understand the you are not only choosing for yourself, you are placing mortgage against

your children's freedom to choose, and the interest on the note is their precious freedom.

Please search your soul for the correct choice

Freedom, and the willingness to maintain it is costly....

[weaseldragon]

"Others" (private, profit-incentivized insurers) already control my health, with the power to deny treatments or kick me off my health plan when I need it most.

[irival]

They have no control over you except that which you willingly cede. They only control your money because you allow it.

Right now you are free to choose, if you opt for government run health care you will lose this freedom of choice.

[weaseldragon]

Well, then let's be thankful that Congress is not proposing government-run health care, except as one option for low-income earners. I'm glad that I'll be able to select from a variety of private insurers. And I'm especially glad that I will not be denied due to preexisting conditions.

[irival]

i agree

[lestliness]

Dept. of Energy was created During the Carter Admin. to LESSON our dependance on foreign oil.

32 years later, The Dept. of Energys budget is 24 Billion/year. It has 16,000 employees + 100,000 contract employees with more armed agents than any other Federal Dept. including the FBI!

Have we lessoned our dependance on foreign oil? No.

Do you really want this government to run health care?

[beatsbytheory]

That's a ridiculously flawed statement. The Govt can't control the CONSUMPTION of petroleum all they can do is monitor it and react. We live in a very progressive industrial society and on top of that we thrive on vain self image insisting on driving gas guzzling SUV's and invest in high petroleum consumption machinery to counter labor costs let alone the populist situation is becoming unmanageable. That was a futile attack on the Dems as if they're the only ones hiring and firing in that dept.

[lestliness]

WHat? Seriously this is an example of extreme government waste.. this is what the government is good at.. Waste.. I wasn't attacking the dems.. I'm attacking politics and greed. I don't trust this government.. call me cynical for pointing out one example out of a hundred.

[70road]

Big Government may be scary, but big business is truly terrifying.

[lestliness]

You are right about that.. that's why jefferson wrote this...

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. "

[pistol135bfmv]

dont worry we all agree wit u its true wat there doiig

[marco114]

Why would the government be "more efficient" ? It never is. It always costs 2-3 times what they think it will cost. Also, if insurance companies have to cover everyone, the cost will go up. I want these things addresses. And, I want TORT addressed.

[WindHarps]

Senator Sanders is one of the brave few in Congress.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

(cont) and if you don't think obama will steal your tax money for healthcare and spend it on Kenya, you are totally nuts.

[pcc68]

I was thinking of the phrase"totally nuts" also.

Right after I read your post.

[Demaestr0]

Way to go Mr.Stand...... Good old fear mongering. Now this is the American way.

Forget facts, just spew what sounds like it will get a reaction, no need to back up your claims, just call people crazy or nuts for not agreeing with you and surely some sheep will follow.

Keep fighting the good fight against truth and facts. Maybe Fox news will notice your "good work" and offer you a job.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

i have a copy of the facts, and have had to read them more then once.

but what you won't find me doing is as you. Bow down to Obama's feet. I refuse to worship obama.

You can all you want but it's to easy to find what Obama has don't with tax payers dollars.

[hypnofan35]

i'm one of those people who will be eternally left out. i must have Jesus Karma. I got hurt on the job and it way my bad fortune to have been ensured by [liberty mutual] who just hired some lawyers and f***ed me over. It doesn't matter what you pass; i will not benefit. i'll live until croaking day, and i will never had had insurance. Probably i'll die of hypothermia under a bridge somewhere, some cold winter. May insurance companies suffer in the pits of hell for eternity. Yay.

[Sheeple102]

When I hear we would be share holders of the health care I have to laugh. You are the same ones that still think the Fed is still our gold and is part of the people. Who gets the shares are the private share holders of the Fed. Think about it, they yell over the CEO's making 3 mil a year but they will profit in the billions. Lasafair

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

Pretty much like all tax payers are shareholders in GM,AIG,ACORN,all the major banks in the USA,now a small shareholder in a oil company in Brazil. Two days after Obama got the extra $2 billion for cash for clunkers, he gave(not loaned) State-run Petrobras' $2billion in cash to help them drill offshore.

but yet says they ran out of money for the CARS program two days later.

People Obama is a liar and a thief to the American tax payer.

[1947classic]

secretly amongst the big and midium sized employers groups that cover 60% or more of all Americans...they want single payer, or at least the public option health plan passed in Congress, so as to free up the Billlions of dollars that are tied up in employer provided health care plans now...so they can be more competitive in the free markets around the world with those private employers that have their own nationalized public health care plans that are already provided for their citizens.

[beachbum7706]

The second thing that pisses me off is that they are trying to exclude themselves from being covered by this new health care plan. Why is that? Because they know it will suck. And do they deserve to have all these special benefits for the rest of their lives after only 4 years in office with continued non debateable raises. I don't think so.

[quern]

Choice of doctor, choice of treatment, that is what single payer means. And it costs the tax payer less a year then the current system. They've framed the debate eschew. Ever wonder why most low income families all seem to want any kind of healthcare and the wealthy, who already afford healthcare and as much could afford to be denied, say the systems fine and we don't need reform? Probably not. The free market is not a place for our health it is a place for shoes and cars.

[quern]

Plus soldiers should receive food and healthcare subsidized or reimbursed by the government no matter where they go.

[beachbum7706]

This stupid fuck talks about the Single Payer system. I've got a problem with this for two reasons. First of all, it would do away with Tricare which is the current Health Care Plan that covers retired military, something that we paid for and earned with over 20 years of service to the country.

[human3485bil]

What makes you think that you wouldn't be covered just as well under the Single Payer system, or that there couldn't be a place for Tricare in the Single Payer system.

And Sanders isn't a "stupid fuck", he is the smartest Senator and the one with the most integrity in the whole Senate.

[kaduisaui]

The answer makes good sense to me. I like Sanders. It makes me angry when Sanders says the people in Congress don't have the political will to take on the private industry. What is wrong with the politicians? Don't they work for us?

[quizerry]

Medicare/Medicaid waste $1 to every $3 it spends on fraud overpayments and administrative cost. Is that a plan worth expanding? No one has talked of fixing the system just throwing more money at a system that has failed. How about before we spend 1.6 trillion we repeal the regulations that have decreased competition. Put the health dollars in the hand of consumers. Just allowing purchasing accross state lines would give 17 million access to affordable care.

[quizerry]

Of the 46 million, 10 mil are not U.S. citizens, 11 mill. choose not to buy insurance but can afford it, 10 mill qualify for a Gov. program but don't sign up. So spending 1.6 trillion for 5% of the population. That is real smart. I guess the Senator doesn't know that the single payer systems around the world are all fighting rising cost by rationing care. And he must not know we have the best performance and outcomes of all major disease of anywhere in th world. You get what you pay for.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

Senator Sanders There is a plan "C". That's to allow insurance companies to cross state lines. There will be no competition if the governmnet is allowed their healthcare plan in all 50 states.

it still won't work if illegals are alowed to be covered in emergency room.

You ding dongs need to work on helping the whole country then work on health care. Guess you don't care you helped to put most of the non-covered out of work making them lose their healthcare.

[Sheeple102]

everything becomes emergency room care at that point. It already is that way in many countries that tried this only to fail.

[danielledgar]

Medicaid up 130 to 150%, its a broke bureaucratic black hole & you want to do what? The public option will be a more efficient government program, now theres an oxymoron. Single payer would provide comprehensive and cost effective HC. My father resided in the UK and the British NHS judged his illness as too expensive for an old man, very efficient. Medicare is working for seniors but it is also bankrupt and it cant be fixed. Your ideas do not stand up to common sense or logic.

[CommonSenseJoe]

If a strong public option is funded by our tax dollars, it will effectively become single payer, government run healthcare.

[marleyinoc]

meh, form follows function

[Joe402]

And that is bad because...?

[martinaoe2]

He never says that no one can compete with the gov

[PressForFreedom]

Medicare is broke. Social security is broke. The system is broke. Government not the answer. Corporate healthcare not the answer. We are the ones who do the work of healthcare, the people. We are the Doctors and the nurses. But the Government ties our hands in helping each other with regulation. Think of how more Freedom could help solve the problem, think as if there were no regulation and large corporate healthcare. We tried to solve the small problem using gov in the 70's look what we got.

[Yankhadenough]

PressForFreedom There are thousands of American doctors and nurses for Single Payer. I do not know where you get your figures, however Single Payer works far better in all free Western Industrialized Nations. USA is the only "free" nation without Single Payer and we are rated 37 in overall healthcare by World Healthcare Organizaton, and France is number one.

[PressForFreedom]

What figures? I quoted no figures. My point is this government is not capable of running anything well. They just want more and more power and money, it's funny how they get you to beg for your own destruction.

[jwfcp]

So I suppose you don't drive and are never driven anywhere (as roads are provided and maintained by government, which is obviously incompetent). You probably also attended private school, not public. I'll also assume that you are also stabbed or shot on a fairly regular basis, since the judicial system sucks so much. I guess you live in a commune where you trade services and hunt/gather for you food, since the government prints money.

(paraphrased slightly from elsewhere)

[CarryANationIII]

"My point is this government is not capable of running anything well."

Why do you hate America? Is it the freedom?

[wretcherwretch]

You're right, just because he's trying to improve the system, he's obviously against everything it stands for. Head-in-ass is not an argument, carryanation.

[limitedgovt999]

His comments clearly show that he cares for America and is doing what a true patriotic American would do. And, he is spot on about the problems with our health care industry.

You on the other hand appear to hate the values America was founded on which made it great. It seems to me you would rather see America be the USSR. What is it your looking for? A collapse due to excessive spending and borrowing? If that happens health insurance will be the least of our problems.

[CarryANationIII]

Are you a Communist?

[limitedgovt999]

I just called you a communist, I'm the furthest thing from a communist you can imagine.

[STEEEVVYZ]

we also elected obama BECAUSE WE WANTED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!!HE IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO,,, THINK ABOUT IT HE RAN ON THIS HEALTHCARE FOR ALL PLATFORM,,AMERICA VOTED HIM IN THE LARGEST MANDATE IN 30 YEARS,,AMERICA WANTS THIS ,,,WE VOTED FOR IT,,THOSE THAT OPPOSE IT REPRESENT A FRINGE MINORITY VIEW,,,,

[Yankhadenough]

STEEEVVYZ Actually Obama is for HR3200 which is Public Option, however a growing number of Americans want Single Payer for all. Even though Single Payer was silenced during the hearings, Congressman Anthony Weiner managed to get HR676 ON THE TABLE on July 31! Single Payer will be allowed for debate and VOTE after the Congressional recess!!!

[Sheeple102]

We cannot allow for mommy and daddy to take care of us forever but you want the fed to do this. I hear so many say to be responsible and vote healthcare. They are totally the opposite. You meant to say, stop trying to take responsibility for yourself and vote healthcare for someone else to be responsible for you. So stop teaching your kids to be responsible but rather ignorant and easy.

[Sheeple102]

It was the Fed that killed the dollar not healthcare. This issue is taking you away for the real issues of the breach in our contract with the feds. The contract I am talking about is called the Constitution of the United States of America.

[Sheeple102]

living outside the states for some time I have learned something by experience. What you pay for one aspirin there I get a whole days room if I had to. What you are paying for is the drug companies and insurance companies to profit.

[Sheeple102]

Take it to the depth and you will see if the hospital took the responsibility to police itself better and not protect the doctors there would be higher standards which would lower malpractice and hence the cost of insurance.

[Sheeple102]

The drug companies support the malpractice by drug before treatment or honest care. Make the hospital responsible and you will quickly see them rat on all the bad doctors. If they had to pay for their payoffs would find too costly.

[1253mv]

So midwestcharm is a Paulista. No surprise.

Enjoy your public roads and schools and your fire department and police. And water and on and on.

Why don't you just go galt and leave the rest of us alone dickhead.

[Sheeple102]

whatever, there are some things we need to use local and state for yes, but only an idiot feels that if you need one you have to take all. All government business is not freedoms. You need your mommy and daddy to suck your thumb for you too?

[midwestcharm]

Medicare is working? They're broke. Go over to your nearest Indian Reservation and see how that government health care option is working.

[scotchfaster]

Medicaid and the VA do work, and deliver medical care for less money and with much less bureaucratic overhead compared to the private system. Just imagine the disaster that privatizing Medicaid would be. Care to shop for grandpa's insurance in the for-profit system?

Here's what I don't get: why are so many other countries able to provide universal health care, but we can't? Taiwan modeled its universal health care after the US Medicare program. Why do I have to move there to qualify for it?

[midwestcharm]

Good question. The answer is: they don't go on military adventures. I'm not for public health care, but would be more welcome to spend our money on health care than wars. We can't afford the warfare healthcare insanity. Think about it. In 10 years we will be spending 65% of our taxes on war and health. Insane.

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm You are not for public health care, but would welcome more money spent on healthcare than wars? Then think of this as a domestic war! For- profit "wealthfare" insurance corporations take lots of our money and won't cover us 100% when we are sick! Clearly for-profit insurance corporations are a domestic enemy against WE THE PEOPLE. Let's end this war against the people, end for-profit insurance and have Single Payer for all instead. Peace and health will be for all then!

[midwestcharm]

If "for profit" is the problem. Convince evryone with health insurance to cancel their policies, so we are all uninsured. this would be more effective then thinking government is the answer. Let's not forget, there is alot of corruption in government too.

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm Yours is not a solution to the systemic problems with for-profit insurance. Many people are uninsured now because for-profits refuse to insure them or their prices are out of reach. Even the under-insured and insured cannot afford the out of pocket expenses because for-profits refuse to cover 100%, yet somehow for-profits manage humongous bonuses and dividends for their CEOS and stockholders. Single Payer would eliminate all that profit and put it all towards healthcare instead.

[midwestcharm]

This is nonsense. Why even work? Drug dealers will get the same insurance as you? I got an idea, let's make paychecks a right because businesses shouldn't be the only ones to make alot of money

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm I see , Single Payer makes so much common sense you don't get it. Did it ever occur to you that you pay for drug dealer's children to go to school, etc? If everyone had healthcare , far less people would use illicit drugs and far less would be sold. You would rather spend your taxes on more prisons so that ONLY drug dealers can get guaranteed healthcare!

[midwestcharm]

On the contrary, health through an employer encentivizes people to work. Some offer better healthcare than others. It's up to the person to get dressed up and compete for the job that offers better healthcare. Yes, they wait 1 year to treat pre-existing conditions, but that is what we can fix not government control over all of it.

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm No, it's INCOME that is the incentive for people to work. It should not be up to an employer if you live or die or not in a free society! This is insanity, & contrary to the Constitution. People without a job do not have healthcare, so how does that help them "compete"? They grab the first job that will pay them INCOME. With Single Payer, your job "competition" scenario would actually happen, because people would no longer feel stuck in jobs with low income just to keep insurance.

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm So you don't give a damn about the average American, yet you have no problem paying for imprisoned drug dealers' guaranteed healthcare. You are giving people the incentive to COMMIT CRIMES!

[xgunnBlaze]

Because everybody in need of health care can work... right?

No.

[xgunnBlaze]

Drug dealers can already go to the doctor if they make enough money from drugs. Hell, if they don't want to pay, they can just go to ER, and then we all pay for it, and we pay too much. A public option would cost half of what ER costs.

[TheGunpowderTreason]

And you can't get preventative care from an ER either, just wait for catastrophic illness to occur and then you're really in the shit.

The Public option, as sad a compromise as it is, is the best we can hope for for now.

[xgunnBlaze]

I was hoping for single payer.

[Yankhadenough]

midwestcharm We have no power over corporations unless we are stockholders, and all they care about is profits over patients. When we vote in Single Payer, WE THE PEOPLE then have the power of patients over profits.

[Sheeple102]

You would NOT be a share holder, the Federal Reserve would be. You still think that is the same thing!

[scotchfaster]

This is one of the more cogent arguments I've heard against US public health care.

But frankly, if my choice is between paying more taxes for government health care, or paying a corporation for my health care that is mandated to maximize its profits , I'll take the first option. It doesn't matter to me if I pay lower taxes if I'm paying exorbitant rates for my health insurance, and have to fight them to pay my claims.

I do agree with you, though: less warfare, more health care.

[irival]

What your are choosing is to allow the government to control your most private and most sacred right as a human being, the care of your own health.

To transfer this power over yourself to the hands of the state for the sake of your convenience is to transfer the power over your children's lives to the state as well.

Freedom is always the best choice.

Choose wisely my friend...choose wisely

[Loubee47]

They are only broke because of our insane priorities: war and corporate welfare.

[CobWebAntiques]

A public option is what we need. Anything else will mean more of the same. Look we have public universities and private universities. The public ones were started to make college more affordable to more people. The public universities did NOT put the private universities out of business. Public colleges increased the number of educated people in the US. Today they all thrive. It can be the same with health care. Private health care companies will just have to learn to be more efficient.

[pt2091]

So many reasonable people in this forum. Why are there so little at the town hall meetings?

[EdwardHowton]

Five people shouting drown out five thousand quietly nodding their head.

[Boomer1949]

I'm all for single payer but our Congress is owned by big corp. Never going to happen in America, not in my life time. So at the very least, we need a public option.

[highhorse313]

We have to do something to try to contain big insurance and big pharma - let's at least TRY to keep them honest!

[PeaceProfit]

Toss the money changers from the temples of care...

C.H.A.O.S.

[zymurdoo]

How about we have Congress create a plan for everyone including themselves. Give them a deadline and then take away their health plan until they fix the system. Hmm.

[1966roberto]

I like the way you think, zymurdoo.

[seamoremonster]

Brilliant! That's what I call an REAL incentive plan! Also, why in the hell are we even considering the private insurance companies? They've ripped off the system and sick for far too long. They're mercenary vultures feasting off the sick and suffering.

[nohealthcare62]

What about all the People in Tenn who were sprayed with MALATHION @ 7yrs Pd for by Federal Gov. I am not part of any kind of lawsuit ! I never even knew till last yr ! HELP TENNESSEE ! #HR676

[imnothear]

yeah i agree, we do need single payer

[atlant80]

Is it just me, or is Sanders the greatest politician since, arguably, FDR?

[PersonalJesus348]

But we already have this system in California. Medi-Cal and the rest of the worthless lot.

Single Payer! Nothing else. We need to riot over this.