Also, I'm not trying to manipulate the argument. Hell I'm not even trying to argue. I'm trying to inform you. You are making this an arguement with your petty litte insults. And why do people bring up the fact that everyone in the world can't succeed with Amway. No fuckin shit, that goes for any business in the world. We already discussed that. And who disfavors retail sales? Yet again you lie, the cds are optional, retail isn't...
"I'm not even trying to argue. I'm trying to inform you."
Nope. Saying a thing doesn't make it so, but if it were, why would you spend hours trying to inform one person who is dead-set against Amway? You'd stand to profit much more by convincing some gullible sap to join up.
"You are making this an arguement with your petty litte insults."
No, I've made my argument with facts about Amway, and there are more--notwithstanding the fact you got incidentally insulted in the process.
Lawsuits and investigations have revealed that less than 10% of Amway sales are from retailing. Even those that do come from retailing are actually "at cost" transactions with friends (which you've admitted to).
"Yet again you lie, the cds are optional, retail isn't..."
I never said CD's weren't optional. In fact, it's the second time you've accused me of saying that. You have built your argument on insisting that I'm an ill-informed liar.
Remind me: "Marketing group merely selling a dream" relating to the closure of the Amway business in the U.K by the Secretary of State for Regulatory Reform due to Amway being a "pernicious scheme" preying on the "vulnerable and deluded"
So, do you consider (him) to be a Dreamstealer, a Loser or a Quitter.
I guess what I'm basically asking is what part of this damning indictment of your chosen "business" do you struggle with?
If you didn't already have doubts, you wouldn't be here reading. Listen to that quiet voice. It's so easy for it to be drowned out by the trite slogans shouted through megaphones and repeated ad nauseum through your CD player on your morning commute. You are feeding the monster that is Amway Motivational Organizations, and even if you beat all odds and make a slim profit at this, it will only be at the expense of a hundred others. You are a victim now, but soon you'll be an accomplice
@JohnWDB1 Oh please man, people can say the same thing about you can they not? I can only assume you are here because you have doubts about the validity of the information you've read and heard. Don't be a condescending ass. Also, don't ignore comments. I responded to your misinformation with actual facts and you have not responded. And again, "amway requires 99% failure rate"? Be honest now, stop being deceptive. If Amway was so evil you wouldn't have to lie like this.
Amway is only evil in that they are complicit with the motivational organizations. Amway doesn't "require" a failure rate. The business model and emphasis on motivational tools combine to produce a 99% failure rate. If you want to talk about deception, stop putting quotes around things I didn't say and pretending I said them.
Why would I be here if I doubted the "validity of the information" on Amway criticism? If that were the case, I wouldn't have a dog in the fight. You certainly would, by virtue of being an IBO, but I'd just be an outsider who had heard some good things, some bad, and couldn't discern which was which. Why would I fervently oppose something that I didn't think I had a good basis for opposing? You don't think about whether you're making sense before you speak.
@JohnWDB1 Of course you would, nobody just "hears some good, hears some bad, keeps an open mind and listens to both sides of story"... people are too ignorant for that, they always have to pick a side have an opinion even when they don't have any information relating from their own experience. I mean just look at the other comments, how many of them are "i'm just not sure". But i'm sure all of those people know all the facts, i'm sure they have been in the business and know everyting.
"people are too ignorant for that, they always have to pick a side have an opinion"
If you've paid attention to the way that I write and the information that I know about the inner-workings of Amway, yet you still conclude that I'm an ignorant, I can only conclude you have no capacity for discernment.
@JohnWDB1 Look, I know you are smarter than alot of the morons who come on to here and leave such insightful comments such as "FUCK AMWAY SCAMM!!!". But I still believe the information your taking in is notall factual. You've said alot of things that simply are not true. Amway doesn't require a 99% failure rate, it doesn't require you to be on standing order or attend functions. It doesn't require investment. It doesn't require you to decieve people either.
@JohnWDB1 "The business model (endless geometrical expansion) is predicated on over-saturation of markets and requires constant failure of 99%+ with massive attrition/turnover rates (aka churn)." that wasn't you then? You didn't say that? I think the other things i mentioned were from the other guy. Made a mistake sorry. But you made a spot on point with your previous comment. You dont care about Amway, so what makes you think you know more than people in the business?
What an insipid and clueless person you must be. Constantly misquoting to manipulate the argument in a favorable way. I corrected you the first time, but you make an identical error. I never said I don't care about Amway. In fact, all the evidence should show you I care deeply about Amway. Why else would I post here? I'm betting you got reamed on every standardized reading comprehension test in school.
I said the business model requires constant failure. To say Amway requires it is to suggest Amway corporate has some written policy on the matter. They don't. They'd prefer everyone succeed...that's impossible, though because of 1) faulty business model, 2) oversaturation of markets, 3) symbiosis with the AMO's which discourage retail sales in favor of self-consumption (since retailing is less profitable for upline than selling tapes)
"You dont care about Amway, so what makes you think you know more than people in the business?"
I'll refer you to the comment I just left about cults. In most cases, someone within an organization understands it better than outsiders. In the case of cults, this isn't true because of information control. AMO's function as corporate cults, and shaping your beliefs about the business is their chief objective.
But while we're on the topic, what makes you think you can have an objective view of an organization you are so deeply invested in--one that is constantly bombarding you with messages that paint itself in a favorable light?
@JohnWDB1 This is ridiculous. You think i'm involved in a cult, but once again, you are only speaking from what others have written. This is the difference between knowledge and experience. You have only what you think you know. But it seems no matter what I say I lose this debate or whatever you want to call it. You have an excuse for everything, no matter what it seems i say. You always find some reason, the fact that i'm involved makes me more ignorant than you? Thats not even fair
"You think i'm involved in a cult, but once again, you are only speaking from what others have written."
This sounds exactly like the retort a cult member might make.
"the fact that i'm involved makes me more ignorant than you? Thats not even fair"
Perhaps not ignorant--just unable to objectively see the truth. Notice that you won't engage in discussion. You'll just continually misquote and call your opponent a liar. It's "us versus them", isn't it?
@JohnWDB1 Here is all that I ask. If you think it's a cult or whatever that's fine. But if you are going to criticize a company than you should have all the facts. And since you were neither involved in the company or don't even care about it (from what you said) I highly doubt you have as much information about this business as I do. If you are going to speak, speak from experience.
"Here is all that I ask...If you are going to speak, speak from experience."
So, misquoting me and calling me a liar hasn't worked and now you've settled on what you think is a humble request: for me to just give up.
I've asked you several times what things I said you thought were erroneous. You couldn't come up with any. Those you challenged you admitted weren't even things I've said in the first place. Now, finding your own position hopeless, you'd rather I give up.
Even if people do "pick a side" at times, they do so about things that matter to them (politics, religion, gas prices, science). If I have never been an Amway member, what would compel me to "pick a side" and rail against it on here? Wouldn't I be better served blogging about something that actually made a difference in my life? What do you imagine, I just randomly came across an Amway video, immediately took a stance against it, and then started trying to convince others of it?
@JohnWDB1 So this is my point exactly. If this business doesn't matter to you, if you've never been involved with the company, isn't it fair to say you probably don't know all that much about the compnay? Isn't it fair to say you probably don't have enough information to start convincing others?
Never said that. Said it doesn't make a difference in my life. It does matter to me, though, because it hurts people. I became a physician not to treat diseases that I myself have but those that other people have...complete strangers, usually.
"isn't it fair to say you probably don't know all that much about the compnay?"
Cults are best understood by outsiders who can study them objectively, not brainwashed insiders.
@JohnWDB1 No, though. The truth is they read some blogger or watched a youtube video and now they are CONVINCED 100% they know this is a scam. I have no reason not to put you in the same catagory as all of them. You are saying things that aren't true left and right based off what, a youtube video? If that's where your "FACTS" come from then no wonder you are not intelligent enough to decipher through all the rubbish spout by ignorant and under educated people.
The business model (endless geometrical expansion) is predicated on over-saturation of markets and requires constant failure of 99%+ with massive attrition/turnover rates (aka churn).
They've told you that to succeed you must be fully plugged in and "replicate yourself", buying CD after CD and attending rally after rally. They tell you that they can only succeed if you do, but that's not true. They succeed because you, and thousands like you, fail. Your losses are their gains.
@JohnWDB1 The "your losses is their gain" makes no sense. If I join the business, and sponsor someone in... I make no money. Not one penny. That other person has to move volume in order for anything to happen. And it's not their money that I make, it comes from the corporation.
"If I join the business, and sponsor someone in... I make no money. Not one penny."
Of course YOU don't make money, but your upline does. Far upline from you there is someone making millions per year, not from the movement of Amway corporate product, but from the sale of motivational materials. You're not high enough yet to get a "tools break". Besides, there are lots of other losses besides money spent on tools (travel fare, gas money, overconsumption of overpriced product, etc)
(yawn...) and by product I mean motivational tools and generally IBO-consumed product (a few million IBO's maintaining Amway product loyalty brings in a LOT of revenue for Amway, but a relative pittance for the individual IBO) In short, a captive audience of dedicated, unpaid "salespeople" who sell the business far and above the "product" and invest heavily to remain "on message"
...You have to admire the concept. It's a Marketing Dream (the only "Dream" you need to get your head around)
Amway Corporation is legally and reputationally severable from the IBO Motivational Groups and have NO INVOLVEMENT in flogging recycled, repetitive CD's. Rally Tickets etc. And YES they have business associations with high street names and reputable retailers as well as sponsorship affiliations etc, etc. This has NOTHING to do with the people you associate with. A profitable synergy exists between Amway and the AMO's that moves gazillions of product...
i just laugh at all this negative things that's going on about amway, i'm 8 months into the business of amway, at first it look and smell like a scam but i was stuck at a dead end job, last month i quit my job told my boss c ya later lol because now i make more then when i had a actual job :) for all the amway haters trust me it WORKS!!!! i replace my actual income in 7 months give it a try, if you don't like you could get your money back, gotta love those 90 back guarantee!!!!
@saleenboi94 There are some seriously awful jobs out there, no question. There is no perceived shortage of organisations willing to suck up your life energy and renumerate you with a pittance....it's called Capitalism. In raw terms, you are either the Exploiter, or the Exploitee. It's not a difficult concept.
Amway have an interesting take on this: But it isn't in your best interests... Trust Me.
Use some common sense people, if this corporation was a pyramid scheme or illegal overall why on gods green earth would large corporations like Dell, barnes and noble, best buy, modells, etc, be associated with them. Why would the Orlando Magic basketball team let them sponsor them, let alone name their arena the AMWAY ARENA. You really have to be stupid to think this is not a legitimate company.
The answer to each of your questions is money. Dell, BB, B&N allow Amway to link to their sites because it increases traffic, thereby increasing revenue for the respective companies. The Orlando Magic were sold to the DeVos family because they were the highest bidders. The arena was named Amway arena because Amway bought naming rights. Money buys a lot, including a powerful political lobby, preventing enforcement of existing FTC regulations, and powerful legal teams, quashing litigation
the 66% of people that "earned $115 month" didn't do shit. They joined thinking its a get rich overnight plan. Truth is this, if you don't put any effort like in any other business, you will get nothing. You start seeing the real money when you start your 2nd and 3rd legs. The person who created this video failed in his business and failed in life period.
BTW, "the 66%" of people that earned $115 per month in Amway were all active IBO's (including all platinums, emeralds, and diamonds) The other 33% were those who were inactive, so they "didn't do shit", as you say. I hope you don't mean to say that that nobody in Amway did anything. You should learn the statistics that apply to this pseudo-business which you so blindly and fervently support.
@JohnWDB1 I support it because I am actually making money out of it. The ones who give it a bad rep are the ones that didn't put any effort to their businesses. Its really sad that there are millions of people who have your mindset. I don't blame you, I am very skeptical, i did not register until a month after the plan was showed to me. It was when one of my friends who had been in it longer than me that got a bonus check for $15,000 and that was when I realized this business plan was legit
"The ones who give it a bad rep are the ones that didn't put any effort to their businesses."
You couldn't be more wrong...but I guess a person like you is used to being wrong. Read Eric Scheibeler's "Merchants of Deception" to hear from someone who put far more effort into the business than you and "gives it a bad rep", as you say. It is a common "stock phrase" retort taught to cult assimilees to discount all criticism as coming from "broke losers" who were "lazy"
"It was when one of my friends who had been in it longer than me that got a bonus check for $15,000 and that was when I realized this business plan was legit"
It's as if you dullards think that the one and only test that should be applied to Amway is this: "does anybody make money in this?" In your case, the fact that one person indeed made some money made it all check out to you. Listen hard: ALL SCAMS ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE MONEY. If nobody profits, it's not a scam.
@JohnWDB1 All scams are designed to make money? Umm then this is the best scam I've ever been a part of if you ask me. Call it what you want, scam or not, I'm making money and you are not. So you keep wasting your time arguing why amway is a scam, and I'll continue to make money in the process. End of story
"Umm then this is the best scam I've ever been a part of if you ask me."
Exactly...Eric Scheibeler said, and I agree, that Amway (or more precisely the Amway motivational organizations) is the largest scale corporate fraud in the history of the world. It dwarfs Enron.
"I'm making money and you are not."
You have no idea how much money I make. I do have an idea how much money you make through Amway, though. Given the time you put it, it is statistically likely to be less than $2/hr.
amway people are brainwashed some people may get some more money but they lose alot in the process like the critical thinking and thinking for themself.The thing is when your brainwased most people dont know they are being brainwashed.Like the people from landmark,they are like robots, so phoney
I'm sure you will enjoy some of my videos, especially my video called "This is Russian swing" where I do five flips. It's legit and so is Amway. Open your mind to opportunities.
That's how i sell potatoes.I order them from the market than i call my friends and tell them about my GREAT potatoes and sell them at a price 10 times higher then i buy them.I made millions with that.In the end i only have to convince them that if they also sell potatoes at this price to THEIR friends,they will get serious money,wich is true.They only have to think positive and if they can't sell them the foult is theirs because they are not good sales-personalities.
I love how you call Google.... research. Research is done with official sources, not Google freedom of expression. By the way perrrob, how would you answer my five questions to you?
Only pure idiocy makes a distinction between "Google" and "official sources". A google search is a mix of "unofficial" and "official" sources. A discerning mind knows the difference between credible hits and non-credible hits. You, however, fail to see the difference between credible information and glib, fallacious, upline drivel which you eagerly lap up with zero consideration for alternative perspective.
'Only pure idiocy makes a distinction between "Google" and "official sources"' - JohnWDB1
According to your logic, it would also be true about pure idiocy making a distinction between "milk" and "sperm". After all, they both look the same... so they must interchange just because of that alone. Curious; which one of the two were you drinking as a kid?!
@perrrob How can you seriously tell people to google "Amway scam" and decide for themselves? You apprently decided for them. Why not google "why microsoft sucks" and decide if you like microsoft. or perhaps "Why sex sucks" and decide if it's for you. How bout we look into reliable sources such as the BBB which gives Amway an A+ rating or the Federal Trade Comission.
@PokerorDie I have not decided anything for anyone ... what I suggested is that people do some research before joining this organization. Are you affraid of what they might find?
@perrrob No but you are telling them to google amway "scam". As if they are not going to find a completely biased view point and opinion of the company. Why not tell them to google "Amway is amazing!"?, Your biased viewpoint has no merit. Here's what I say, if you really want to get an idea about this company than go do it. I'm not going to tell you to read some blog thats positive about Amway, just go try it yourself. You can get your money refunded anyway so there is no risk.
'I have not decided anything for anyone ...' - perrrob
Oh yes, you are by virtue of what you've decided for yourself. You've decided to not believe and hence, it's that same message you decided to preach to others. You can't fool anyone with common sense; a wolf can't preach to be a dove and somehow become a dove.
@steveh777ify I have a question for you. What about all the people who got in within the last couple of years who are new doing very well in the business? They aren't "sitting at the top" or whatever, they started out just like everyone else and are still growing there business. What do you say to them? You seriously want to go tell those people they made a poor decision that they should have stuck with their job? Those people will help many more people than you ever will.
So, you ask about people who are "doing very well" in the business but only 2 years in. We're talking about platinums and such? Platinums who make roughly $35K US per year on average despite putting in full-time hours? OK, so good for them for making a modest wage. In fact, it's remarkable that anyone rises to those heights in Amway. Here's where you falter, though: those people aren't helping anyone except their uplines and to a lesser extent, themselves.
(cont) There will be a few hundred under them (most of which have already churned and burned) who will be losing money for their efforts. Perhaps the greatest lie that Amway feeds you is that those people, throwing money at tapes in a hopeless effort to achieve their dreams, are somehow being HELPED. It's almost laughable as a concept and incredibly apparent to your rationally minded critics. This fallacy that you now axiomatically regurgitate is the greatest load of tripe they've fed you yet.
@JohnWDB1 You say the platinum is helping his upline... yet, how do you think he does that? By building his downline, helping those in his business under him. And who said they are putting in full time hours? I think my platinum probably puts in 20 or so hours a week. But he's been earning his Q-12 for over 2 years now, he makes alot more than 35k despite the 15k bonus check and the free trip every year. And his income with increase by about 50% next year most likely.
"You say the platinum is helping his upline... yet, how do you think he does that?"
You think the above is a clever question, right? Like, oh I really got him here. All you've done is restate my point. Upline is always helped at the expense of downline.
"By building his downline, helping those in his business under him."
And all you've done here is recycle the same mistake you made earlier. Enrolling new "IBO" is in no sense "helping" them (except helping them lose money)
"I think my platinum probably puts in 20 or so hours a week."
Great! But wait, who cares what you "think" your platinum "probably" does? How many uncertain terms does it take for you to finally reach a conclusion?
Even if you're right with all your guestimation, it amounts to little more than a "Man Who argument" (look it up and learn some logic). The problem with Amway isn't the few who succeed, it's the millions who MUST, by necessity, FAIL to make their success possible
@JohnWDB1 How is that different from any business exactly? If 300 ice cream shops open up in a town of 10000 people, do you think they would all do really well? Of course not, over 99% of them would fail as they should... that's how business works. The best business survives while the rest crumble. How is this a difficult concept to grasp? Just like netflix putting many people out of business. They CANNOT all succeed, it's impossible. Nothing new here.
"How is that different from any business exactly? If 300 ice cream shops open up in a town of 10000 people, do you think they would all do really well?"
Here's where you miss the point (as usual): Any other "franchise" researches the market before jumping in. You simply wouldn't see 300 baskin robbins open up in one town, nor would you see a marble slab open up in a town with 20 baskin robbins. Amway intentionally seeks to over-saturate any prospective market.
You see, the entire business model, as it currently operates, is predicated on failure. As long as retail sales are almost zero, that will be the case. As long as potential profits from motivational material sales far exceed those from retail sales, that will be the case. The only way that will change is for a similar thing to happen in the US that has already happened in the UK. Google the link Steve has recommended to get a clue.
@JohnWDB1 Why don't you go to costco or walmart, tell them "you guys do realize that your business is predicated on failure dont you?". It's the same thing. Not all box store businesses can exist together, as with ANY other business. You single Amway out and ignore something that's plain as day.
@JohnWDB1 1 ohter thing. You said as long as retail sales are almost 0?... Nutrilte has passed 3 billion in annual sales. What exactly are you referring to i'm a little confused.
"You said as long as retail sales are almost 0?... Nutrilte has passed 3 billion in annual sales. What exactly are you referring to i'm a little confused."
I wish you were only *a little* confused. Retail sales is different from personal consumption. This is extremely important, as the portion of total sales that come from personal consumption (people "buying from themselves") is restricted by FTC regulations that Amway ignores. The fact you are ignorant of this is not surprising
@steveh777ify So you judge everything on what other people have done. Maybe everyone should do that. Maybe Steve Jobs and Einstein and Edison should have done that. Statistically what they did was stupid no? 10000 times to invent a light bulb, this guy made history with a .0001 sucess rate. So really what is your point? I'm not trying to scam anybody, it's not like I'm going to register someone i met off youtube, i wouldn't even want to. I have no reason to lie to you.
@PokerorDie Interesting Analogy. Wrong on just about every level if you compare Einstein/Jobs/Edison with" Amway". In each case, these people had a singular vision, and the resolve to see it through to the general benefit of Humanity.
Amway (via it's Motivational Groups) targets vulnerable sectors of society, who fall in love with "The Dream" as promoted by Kingpin Upline vested interests who want to flog you recycled motivational tools.
...You are being manipulated. Einstein wasn't. End Of.
@PokerorDie I could be more vehement in my response, but I have no doubt you are a decent guy with best of intentions.You really should consider the history of this "opportunity" in some detail, if you choose to associate with it.
"Marketing Group merely selling a Dream" is a starting point. "Merchants of Deception" is another. The information is all there. You just have to listen to your own voice rather than the hollow platitudes mouthed by your "Upline"
@steveh777ify Ok i'm way ahead of all, i've already read all that stuff. I've read probably more negative things about Amway than you have. I know all about the history of the company, as well as the deceitful nature of various other MLM business/scams. You don't think I looked into these things before getting involved? lol. Really? You see, with all respect, here's the problem with you dude, you only look at one side of the coin, all the negative, and so that's all you know.
@steveh777ify I on the other hand saw both sides of the story. After reading all the things from negative Amway haters I decided to get a second opinion, so i looked at some of the positive things. I've heard the countless stories of people who love and had success in the business, watched tons of youtube videos with people getting their checks... So I was confused... I heard two sides of the story. Here were people telling me it sucked and didn't work, and here were people tell...
@steveh777ify telling me how awesome it was and proudly flashing their checks around. So I decided to get involved... after all it's completely risk free. Why not experience it instead of go off of some hate forum or blog? And stop pretending like everybody is Amway is "out to getcha", that they are just spouting "hollow platitudes"... the success principals that these people talk about are identical to all those found in history from Andrew Carnegie up.
@steveh777ify How can you seriously act like everyone in your upline is evil and deceptive. You don't even know any of these people and you judge them because of what JOECOOL says. You honestly believe all of these people are bad people? Get fuckin real will ya? You can talk bad about this company all you want, but I only can speak from experience. Stop reading all this crap on the web, be it positive or negative, and experience it for yourself. Risk free so why not.
@PokerorDie There's little more I can say, you are clearly fully assimilated and plugged-in. FYI I was involved in the 1990's and saw a good friend lose his shirt, his job and his marriage because he committed totally to this decades-long Scam. I dunno how much smoke you have to ingest before you get the impression something must be on fire, but can only refer you to the lucid counter-arguments made here and elsewhere
@steveh777ify How the bloody hell do you lose your job? That makes absolutely no sense... Please elaborate. And what about people who have made money in this business? What do you say to them?
@PokerorDie (He) lost his job because the Hell-or-Bust Amway Myth consumed his life, and his forced involvement/attendance to Seminars/Rallies/meetings shifted his focus from where he should have been. You see, you can be gently sucked into this "opportunity" but you are gradually assimilated and distanced from wider society, having been sold into a false dream of wealth. You know this already. Amway is Us and Them. Right?
@steveh777ify and "FORCED" involvement. SERIOUSLY? This is what amazes me, I thought amway was supposed to be lying to people, but it turns out you are. Which your amazing exaggerations. NOBODY is forced to do anything, it's recommended. You will fall out most likely if you don't stay around the people in the business. You will get discouraged from all the skeptics and Amway know-it-alls if you don't, but you dont HAVE to, that's just dishonest
@PokerorDie We can argue this all day long, but the fact remains that the OVERWHELMING majority of IBO's lose money because they are being actively misled by the Motivational Groups they align with. Decades of controversy, litigation, in-fights between millionaire tool-scammers, name-changes, Dateline investigations, Regulatory banning in the U.K.....
I mean, what does it take to smell a Scam. You HAVE to be brainwashed to ignore these compelling FACTS, surely???
@steveh777ify I've done my history on the company long before becoming involved. Alot of what you say is based off of disingenuous IBO's. Has absolutely nothing to do with the Amway corporation. I've watched the little Chris Hansen investigation, i've seen it all, alot of which misrepresents the company. Nobody banks on an individuals failure, I dont understand where you get these lies.
@PokerorDie Of course there are good, aspirational people in Amway. No argument. Where you are misinformed is in wholly selling out to "The Dream" on the basis of following a number of specific steps to "certain success",ie "the system" It's a Lie
It's possible that with stupendous diligence, charismatic leadership, innate charm and selfless dedication you can build this crumbling edifice of improbability before the tide sweeps it away. But I doubt the odds are in your favour.
@steveh777ify I attend the fuctions as well, in fact thousands of people do. Doubt many of them lost their jobs... sounds like a load of crap of to me. Sounds like you are trying to blame your friends failure on Amway.
@steveh777ify Honestly, you do understand that you doing well is good for Amway. By you succeeding in this business you make the comany more money... do you not get that at all. The education they lay out if from decades of experience and knowing what works best. The amazing thing about this business is nobody wants you to fail. You make the company, your downline, your upline more money when you succeed.
lol Im sorry you think that about some one you dont know, you seem very quick to judge, but thats ok 9 months is cake my friend. I hope you find something that works for you. Take care man.
But...but...but...but what about the old saying that the divorce rate in Amway is less than 1%?!? Could it be that your best friend's case is the rule rather than the exception? How many marriages, friendships, childhoods, and retirement plans has Amway ruined with false promises? Anyone who enters this business without reading Eric Scheibeler's "Merchants of Deception" does so without the benefit of due diligence, and they do so at their peril.
@YourFriendHerbie really? have u been on this bussiness before? do you know we have the leading brand of vitamins and supplements in the world? did you know this bussiness has 52 years in the world? amway a joke? really? get a life man, before you start talking garbage atleast give this bussiness a chance. i bet you havent beeon on it, and if you have, well you havent done shit at all. so dont talk shit about my company. go to a meetting and ul see it aint fake. dumbass
@planetvegeta96 Buddy, "your" company could be marketing The Philosphers Stone, The Eiixer of Life and The Holy Grail....they would still be the Scum Lords of the f*****g Universe."Leading Brand of Vitamins"???...Crap !
The Moonies and the Scientologists can boast longevity....as can many Cults. That does NOT impart nobility, it merely emphasises how many gullible Idiots and desperate people are ripe for exploitation.
@steveh777ify you make no sense at all, have e you even tried the vitamins?btw yea leading brand of vitamins! cuz atleast we sell vitamins that are organic and natural, we have products that are biodegradable, we are all around the globe these vitamins helped me when i had mygraines. . we have 52 years in the world, yeah you might say AMWAY brainwashes you, which it does! but it brainwashes you in a good way in order to be a better person and not like others like you.
@steveh777ify were being mind fucked? no. were being prepared to be better human beings. cuz society is being controled by the media. all you people think that the government is gonna fix all your problems. in school they teach us to believe that going to college is the best option. its not. there aint no jobs. amway is a great opportunity and its sad to see people like you not taking advantage of this great opportunity. what are you gonna do when you cant get a job?
What do you mean "all you people think"??? What you are doing is akin to "strawman" argumentation. You've sought to characterize steve, attributing weak positions to him that you can more easily rail against. How do you know steve thinks the government is "gonna fix all [his] problems"? You have zero evidence for that assertion, but then we all know you aren't interested in weighing the evidence, don't we?
@steveh777ify all those ideas of amway that you have are all wrong. amway isnt a multilevel that just started its been around for 52 years. helping people have a better life. all you people who dont believe amway works is cuz youve heard of alll those companies that ended up being scams. well i tell you: do you think that a company that has been around for so long is gonna be a scam? ofcourse not! but you still dont believ my friend, you have to see it to believe it.
@planetvegeta96 ...And what part of the article did you struggle with, precisely???
I think you're the one in denial here Buddy....But no worries, your Upline will make sure you stay that way. Hell, you may last a year before bailing out !
The stupidity of Ambots never ceases to amaze. Please concentrate very, very hard on this: NOBODY said that NO ONE makes ANY money in Amway. The POINT is that 99.6% OR MORE lose money for their time/money investment. The fact that SOME make a paltry wage for their efforts doesn't change this fact! Concentrate harder than you ever have managed to before, and perhaps you'll comprehend what is elementary for most!
with all due resspect man, why do you continue to give this great company a bad reputation.? i cant believe you actually believe what people have told you saying that " amway doesnt work" and what not. well look i tell you, the people who say it doesnt work are the ones who do enter this bussiness and dont do anything at all. they expect money to just magically appear on their hands. those people arent willing to sacrifice themselves in order to have a better life.
"why do you continue to give this great company a bad reputation?"
Amway's reputation had already begun to putrify circa 1980, and by the mid 90's it was thought so irreparable that the company changed its name to Quixtar in a effort to escape it. Whatever Steve has to say does nothing to alter that reputation. What he is doing, and what I suggest you do, is carefully considering the evidence for said reputation and drawing his own conclusion, aka due diligence.
@planetvegeta96 Respect back to you Buddy. I believe we have a similar outlook in terms of aspiration. Where we disagree is in choice of vehicle to drive said aspiration.
If you were a serious enterpreneur, you would do appropriate research. Your Upline will spoon-feed you with pro-Amway indoctrination and "positive" messages. You need to look a little deeper into your chosen involvement. What aspect of the FACT that Amway is TOTALLY DISCREDITED in the UK do you struggle with?... I'm all ears!
ps. If you are in the 0.4% who make a net profit then you would be focussing your efforts on building the business....not questioning your involvement on the internet.
Looking for serious and hard working people who want to earn good money working on my team. Email me at: foster_236@hotmail.com and I will send you an Eligibility Form to fill out. If all is well then you can start working on my team ASAP!
And nobody is forced to sign onto a ponzi scheme, join a fanatical cult, or give his money to a con-man. They're called confidence-men because they're skilled at winning your confidence. All is done voluntarily...confidently...trustingly. Fortunately, none of that makes it legal. Fortunately, there are some people among our lawmakers who can think more critically and discerningly than you.
Writing PSS is like saying "Post script script". It has no meaning. You mean to say PPS, which would be "Post, post script". Notice how you don't know even the little bit that you thought you did. You don't think about what things mean. You just vomit words and hope it means something smart or hope that nobody will be able to tell the difference. I'm sure you're used to having that fly with the uneducated, glib, mass-mindset mob in Amway, but it won't fly with me.
What gives you the right to admonish people against using the term "cult", even to go so far as to command them "NEVER" to relate it to Amway? Are you a cult expert? I have gathered from your writings that you don't much of anything (cruzified??? c'mon), much less what defines a cult and how to critically evaluate what is and what is not. You'd *like* for me not to call Amway a cult, but you have no factual basis for arguing that I shouldn't.
Looking for serious and hard working people who want to earn good money working on my team. Email me at: foster_236@hotmail.com and I will send you an Eligibility Form to fill out. If all is well then you can start working on my team ASAP!
Hmm how come i never see vedios about how the job system works and how you being a consumer to other retail outlets affect your money? If anyone wacthes this ask those two questions. Isnt a job a big scam? why are you paid 8hr or even lets say 25 hr for time you will never get back? Is your life relly that invaluble to you? Also FYI every day you live you ARE MAKING SOMEONE RICH :) {unless you live in a cave and eat form the forest then you aren't]
1) explain why being paid and agreed-upon wage plus benefits in exchange for your time, by your own free choice, is a scam?
2) invaluable doesn't mean "not valuable". Learn English.
3) In Amway, the 90th percentile IBO is paid far less than minimum wage for his time (that he will never get back)
4) Selling someone your labor does not make him rich. Giving someone 25% in bonuses of your purchases each month and buying his tapes does make him rich.
@LORDNAG1 I think you will find that..........No, I can't actually be bothered responding to this. I'm going away to have a meaningful conversation with my pet Hamster.
@steveh777ify you just did respond to it but couldn't come up with a good comeback LMAO. GO hide in the bushes and wacth and take your hamster with you too!
Hmm how come i never see vedios about how the job system works and how you being a consumer to other retail outlets affect your money? If anyone wacthes this ask those two questions. Isnt a job a big scam? why are you paid 8hr or even lets say 25 hr for time you will never get back? Is your life relly that invaluble to you? Also FYI every day you live you ARE MAKING SOME RICH :) {unless you live in a cave and eat form the forest then you aren't]
Is this because the person concerned does not buy into the "Dream" as promoted by the Amway Motivational Organisations and as sanctioned by Amway Corporation?
Is it possible that you have been mislead to some extent?
i will say this to all those who look at this video.
think about one thing. why will bank of america, bestbuy, and some other company are with amway? they have better ways to investigate to find out if this is a scan. if this was a scan they wouldnt be with amway.
...and do u think that athletes like Ronaldinho and others would be sponsor for nutrilite. Do u think that nutrilite would've last for over 75 years? I know that there is this guy. Who was in Amway. Bt had no ethic I think he was a diamond already. Something happen. He got Kicked out of the business and can never join Amway again. So. He is trying to. Give Amway a bad reputation.
To quixtarscam, steveh777, and those others that don't like Amway. Do u think. Know more than the business men of over 80 countries. Do u think a country. Would let a scam business get in? And dun
"Slavery was extant for several thousand years, and made many people fabulously wealthy at the expense of the misery and deprivation of millions."
Very succinct and powerful example that will undoubtedly be glossed over and missed by the glib dimwits who peruse these comment boards. I have frequently fielded arguments of "how can a scam make x billion dollars" and I've frequently replied "scams are designed to make money". My point has universally been missed.
@planetvegeta96 that s what happen when u r in a pyramid scam business like this, you call idiot to some one who do not agreed with ur rules, couse u get upset he doesn`t go under u, buying expensive stuffs to make u earn some bucks.my friends are mad at me cause I don want to join Amway. they get the money recruiting instead of sales, but the FTC can`t not prove it, that`s why it s a pyramid scheme. go and be happy loosing money, it s an invest for the future.
@jorginio153 and btw when you join amway you dont buy expensive stuff. amway has vitamins that are 100% natural and organic and that are grown without any chemicals. amway is associatedwit hstores like best buy and miscrosoft. amway isnt a scam, its just that people who say it sucks maybe joined it but wanted the money right away from the start. i tell you it takes time. this company has 52 years and it has never failed. it is over 80 countries in the world and iys growing.
@planetvegeta96 actually Amway is not a scam ,it s a kind of pyramid business where people get rich when others lose money. it will be alive for more than 52 years like the communism in Cuba and it was in more than 80 countries before it collapse, because it consists in brainwash method and motivate the multitude. I know it works but just for a few . if u r one of those few with the charism to convince people of a better future go ahead, but do it with open mind and be patience(fundamental key)
Amway has been around for more than 52 years man. it has helped people get rich in 6 to 7 years. what do you know about amway? do you know what a diamond is? do you know what pv/ bv are? have you ever even been on this bussiness? did u know that this company doesnt invest money in wall street, amway is a private company. if you dont want to belive and want to still live the life you have with that boring job, well thats you. Im gonna get rich.
"I'm gonna ger rich" Meaning that you aren't at the moment and are in the process of being churned as a fully bought-and-paid-for Cult Member....one of hundreds of thousands worldwide.
What gives you the right to an opinion here? The entire basis of the argument is that 99.6% of Ambots fail comprehensively, having been bent over and ritually b**t f****d by a greedy inhumane Corporate withan agenda. You are simply not qualified to comment.
@Quixtarisascam : well watever man, i dont care. amway is a great bussiness oportunity, millions of families have achieved great economic relief thanks to this great bussiness. If you want to be like the rest of the world's population(poor) well theres nothing i can do to change your mind. The only reason you think amway is a scam is cause you have never been in it. And if u have been in it you have done absolutely nothing
"amway is a great bussiness oportunity, millions of families have achieved great economic relief thanks to this great bussiness."
False. There are only about 3-4 million current IBO, and less than 1% (read: less than 40,000) of those are currently turning a profit. Only a fraction of that profitable 1% is earning greater than minimum wage for their time. Some tens of millions have joined and quit, and nearly all of those after losses ranging from nominal to significant.
@matthewr91 I'm very teachable Matthew. Maybe you can "edify" or "educate" me as to why Amway was closed down here in the UK in keeping with the govermental instigated findings as noted in my Google reference below.
...I would LOVE to be proved wrong. I guess it must be my masochistic leanings?
All these bullshit MLMs use their supposefly amazing products as the vehicle for the money to change hands. If these products were really that good, they could stand on their own merits in the market. Quixtar and all the other ones do nothing more than take advantage of people by exploiting hopes and dreams. You're pouring money into inventory and the rest of the time is spent suckering other people in under the same false visions of financial and personal freedom.
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dreamcorezen 1 month ago
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"Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have..." Heb 13:5
MACGARCIAcom 1 month ago
Also, I'm not trying to manipulate the argument. Hell I'm not even trying to argue. I'm trying to inform you. You are making this an arguement with your petty litte insults. And why do people bring up the fact that everyone in the world can't succeed with Amway. No fuckin shit, that goes for any business in the world. We already discussed that. And who disfavors retail sales? Yet again you lie, the cds are optional, retail isn't...
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"I'm not even trying to argue. I'm trying to inform you."
Nope. Saying a thing doesn't make it so, but if it were, why would you spend hours trying to inform one person who is dead-set against Amway? You'd stand to profit much more by convincing some gullible sap to join up.
"You are making this an arguement with your petty litte insults."
No, I've made my argument with facts about Amway, and there are more--notwithstanding the fact you got incidentally insulted in the process.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"And who disfavors retail sales?"
Lawsuits and investigations have revealed that less than 10% of Amway sales are from retailing. Even those that do come from retailing are actually "at cost" transactions with friends (which you've admitted to).
"Yet again you lie, the cds are optional, retail isn't..."
I never said CD's weren't optional. In fact, it's the second time you've accused me of saying that. You have built your argument on insisting that I'm an ill-informed liar.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
Remind me: "Marketing group merely selling a dream" relating to the closure of the Amway business in the U.K by the Secretary of State for Regulatory Reform due to Amway being a "pernicious scheme" preying on the "vulnerable and deluded"
So, do you consider (him) to be a Dreamstealer, a Loser or a Quitter.
I guess what I'm basically asking is what part of this damning indictment of your chosen "business" do you struggle with?
steveh777ify 1 month ago
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If you didn't already have doubts, you wouldn't be here reading. Listen to that quiet voice. It's so easy for it to be drowned out by the trite slogans shouted through megaphones and repeated ad nauseum through your CD player on your morning commute. You are feeding the monster that is Amway Motivational Organizations, and even if you beat all odds and make a slim profit at this, it will only be at the expense of a hundred others. You are a victim now, but soon you'll be an accomplice
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 Oh please man, people can say the same thing about you can they not? I can only assume you are here because you have doubts about the validity of the information you've read and heard. Don't be a condescending ass. Also, don't ignore comments. I responded to your misinformation with actual facts and you have not responded. And again, "amway requires 99% failure rate"? Be honest now, stop being deceptive. If Amway was so evil you wouldn't have to lie like this.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
Amway is only evil in that they are complicit with the motivational organizations. Amway doesn't "require" a failure rate. The business model and emphasis on motivational tools combine to produce a 99% failure rate. If you want to talk about deception, stop putting quotes around things I didn't say and pretending I said them.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
Why would I be here if I doubted the "validity of the information" on Amway criticism? If that were the case, I wouldn't have a dog in the fight. You certainly would, by virtue of being an IBO, but I'd just be an outsider who had heard some good things, some bad, and couldn't discern which was which. Why would I fervently oppose something that I didn't think I had a good basis for opposing? You don't think about whether you're making sense before you speak.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 Of course you would, nobody just "hears some good, hears some bad, keeps an open mind and listens to both sides of story"... people are too ignorant for that, they always have to pick a side have an opinion even when they don't have any information relating from their own experience. I mean just look at the other comments, how many of them are "i'm just not sure". But i'm sure all of those people know all the facts, i'm sure they have been in the business and know everyting.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"people are too ignorant for that, they always have to pick a side have an opinion"
If you've paid attention to the way that I write and the information that I know about the inner-workings of Amway, yet you still conclude that I'm an ignorant, I can only conclude you have no capacity for discernment.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 Look, I know you are smarter than alot of the morons who come on to here and leave such insightful comments such as "FUCK AMWAY SCAMM!!!". But I still believe the information your taking in is notall factual. You've said alot of things that simply are not true. Amway doesn't require a 99% failure rate, it doesn't require you to be on standing order or attend functions. It doesn't require investment. It doesn't require you to decieve people either.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
1) I never said "amway requires a 99% failure rate". I addressed the fact that you accused me of saying this in a prior post. Read.
2) I never said Amway requires you to be on standing order or attend functions
3) I never said Amway requires investment
4) I never said Amway requires you to deceive people
What else? Look up "strawman argument" on wikipedia and learn something about yourself. Learn something useful for a change.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 "The business model (endless geometrical expansion) is predicated on over-saturation of markets and requires constant failure of 99%+ with massive attrition/turnover rates (aka churn)." that wasn't you then? You didn't say that? I think the other things i mentioned were from the other guy. Made a mistake sorry. But you made a spot on point with your previous comment. You dont care about Amway, so what makes you think you know more than people in the business?
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"You dont care about Amway"
What an insipid and clueless person you must be. Constantly misquoting to manipulate the argument in a favorable way. I corrected you the first time, but you make an identical error. I never said I don't care about Amway. In fact, all the evidence should show you I care deeply about Amway. Why else would I post here? I'm betting you got reamed on every standardized reading comprehension test in school.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
I said the business model requires constant failure. To say Amway requires it is to suggest Amway corporate has some written policy on the matter. They don't. They'd prefer everyone succeed...that's impossible, though because of 1) faulty business model, 2) oversaturation of markets, 3) symbiosis with the AMO's which discourage retail sales in favor of self-consumption (since retailing is less profitable for upline than selling tapes)
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"You dont care about Amway, so what makes you think you know more than people in the business?"
I'll refer you to the comment I just left about cults. In most cases, someone within an organization understands it better than outsiders. In the case of cults, this isn't true because of information control. AMO's function as corporate cults, and shaping your beliefs about the business is their chief objective.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
But while we're on the topic, what makes you think you can have an objective view of an organization you are so deeply invested in--one that is constantly bombarding you with messages that paint itself in a favorable light?
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 This is ridiculous. You think i'm involved in a cult, but once again, you are only speaking from what others have written. This is the difference between knowledge and experience. You have only what you think you know. But it seems no matter what I say I lose this debate or whatever you want to call it. You have an excuse for everything, no matter what it seems i say. You always find some reason, the fact that i'm involved makes me more ignorant than you? Thats not even fair
PokerorDie 1 month ago
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@PokerorDie
"You think i'm involved in a cult, but once again, you are only speaking from what others have written."
This sounds exactly like the retort a cult member might make.
"the fact that i'm involved makes me more ignorant than you? Thats not even fair"
Perhaps not ignorant--just unable to objectively see the truth. Notice that you won't engage in discussion. You'll just continually misquote and call your opponent a liar. It's "us versus them", isn't it?
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 Here is all that I ask. If you think it's a cult or whatever that's fine. But if you are going to criticize a company than you should have all the facts. And since you were neither involved in the company or don't even care about it (from what you said) I highly doubt you have as much information about this business as I do. If you are going to speak, speak from experience.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"Here is all that I ask...If you are going to speak, speak from experience."
So, misquoting me and calling me a liar hasn't worked and now you've settled on what you think is a humble request: for me to just give up.
I've asked you several times what things I said you thought were erroneous. You couldn't come up with any. Those you challenged you admitted weren't even things I've said in the first place. Now, finding your own position hopeless, you'd rather I give up.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
Even if people do "pick a side" at times, they do so about things that matter to them (politics, religion, gas prices, science). If I have never been an Amway member, what would compel me to "pick a side" and rail against it on here? Wouldn't I be better served blogging about something that actually made a difference in my life? What do you imagine, I just randomly came across an Amway video, immediately took a stance against it, and then started trying to convince others of it?
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 So this is my point exactly. If this business doesn't matter to you, if you've never been involved with the company, isn't it fair to say you probably don't know all that much about the compnay? Isn't it fair to say you probably don't have enough information to start convincing others?
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"If this business doesn't matter to you"
Never said that. Said it doesn't make a difference in my life. It does matter to me, though, because it hurts people. I became a physician not to treat diseases that I myself have but those that other people have...complete strangers, usually.
"isn't it fair to say you probably don't know all that much about the compnay?"
Cults are best understood by outsiders who can study them objectively, not brainwashed insiders.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
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steveh777ify 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 No, though. The truth is they read some blogger or watched a youtube video and now they are CONVINCED 100% they know this is a scam. I have no reason not to put you in the same catagory as all of them. You are saying things that aren't true left and right based off what, a youtube video? If that's where your "FACTS" come from then no wonder you are not intelligent enough to decipher through all the rubbish spout by ignorant and under educated people.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
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@PokerorDie
"The truth is they read some blogger or watched a youtube video and now they are CONVINCED 100% they know this is a scam."
And how do you know this is "the truth"? On whose authority? Your own?
"I have no reason not to put you in the same catagory as all of them."
This category that you just invented based on something you imagined and then deemed to be "the truth"?
"You are saying things that aren't true left and right"
Like what? Those things you mis-quoted me on?
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
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The business model (endless geometrical expansion) is predicated on over-saturation of markets and requires constant failure of 99%+ with massive attrition/turnover rates (aka churn).
They've told you that to succeed you must be fully plugged in and "replicate yourself", buying CD after CD and attending rally after rally. They tell you that they can only succeed if you do, but that's not true. They succeed because you, and thousands like you, fail. Your losses are their gains.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 The "your losses is their gain" makes no sense. If I join the business, and sponsor someone in... I make no money. Not one penny. That other person has to move volume in order for anything to happen. And it's not their money that I make, it comes from the corporation.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"If I join the business, and sponsor someone in... I make no money. Not one penny."
Of course YOU don't make money, but your upline does. Far upline from you there is someone making millions per year, not from the movement of Amway corporate product, but from the sale of motivational materials. You're not high enough yet to get a "tools break". Besides, there are lots of other losses besides money spent on tools (travel fare, gas money, overconsumption of overpriced product, etc)
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
(yawn...) and by product I mean motivational tools and generally IBO-consumed product (a few million IBO's maintaining Amway product loyalty brings in a LOT of revenue for Amway, but a relative pittance for the individual IBO) In short, a captive audience of dedicated, unpaid "salespeople" who sell the business far and above the "product" and invest heavily to remain "on message"
...You have to admire the concept. It's a Marketing Dream (the only "Dream" you need to get your head around)
steveh777ify 1 month ago
Oh,...and to pre-empt your response:
Amway Corporation is legally and reputationally severable from the IBO Motivational Groups and have NO INVOLVEMENT in flogging recycled, repetitive CD's. Rally Tickets etc. And YES they have business associations with high street names and reputable retailers as well as sponsorship affiliations etc, etc. This has NOTHING to do with the people you associate with. A profitable synergy exists between Amway and the AMO's that moves gazillions of product...
steveh777ify 1 month ago
i just laugh at all this negative things that's going on about amway, i'm 8 months into the business of amway, at first it look and smell like a scam but i was stuck at a dead end job, last month i quit my job told my boss c ya later lol because now i make more then when i had a actual job :) for all the amway haters trust me it WORKS!!!! i replace my actual income in 7 months give it a try, if you don't like you could get your money back, gotta love those 90 back guarantee!!!!
saleenboi94 2 months ago
@saleenboi94 There are some seriously awful jobs out there, no question. There is no perceived shortage of organisations willing to suck up your life energy and renumerate you with a pittance....it's called Capitalism. In raw terms, you are either the Exploiter, or the Exploitee. It's not a difficult concept.
Amway have an interesting take on this: But it isn't in your best interests... Trust Me.
steveh777ify 2 months ago
Use some common sense people, if this corporation was a pyramid scheme or illegal overall why on gods green earth would large corporations like Dell, barnes and noble, best buy, modells, etc, be associated with them. Why would the Orlando Magic basketball team let them sponsor them, let alone name their arena the AMWAY ARENA. You really have to be stupid to think this is not a legitimate company.
rdcd 2 months ago
@rdcd
The answer to each of your questions is money. Dell, BB, B&N allow Amway to link to their sites because it increases traffic, thereby increasing revenue for the respective companies. The Orlando Magic were sold to the DeVos family because they were the highest bidders. The arena was named Amway arena because Amway bought naming rights. Money buys a lot, including a powerful political lobby, preventing enforcement of existing FTC regulations, and powerful legal teams, quashing litigation
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
the 66% of people that "earned $115 month" didn't do shit. They joined thinking its a get rich overnight plan. Truth is this, if you don't put any effort like in any other business, you will get nothing. You start seeing the real money when you start your 2nd and 3rd legs. The person who created this video failed in his business and failed in life period.
rdcd 2 months ago
@rdcd
BTW, "the 66%" of people that earned $115 per month in Amway were all active IBO's (including all platinums, emeralds, and diamonds) The other 33% were those who were inactive, so they "didn't do shit", as you say. I hope you don't mean to say that that nobody in Amway did anything. You should learn the statistics that apply to this pseudo-business which you so blindly and fervently support.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@JohnWDB1 I support it because I am actually making money out of it. The ones who give it a bad rep are the ones that didn't put any effort to their businesses. Its really sad that there are millions of people who have your mindset. I don't blame you, I am very skeptical, i did not register until a month after the plan was showed to me. It was when one of my friends who had been in it longer than me that got a bonus check for $15,000 and that was when I realized this business plan was legit
rdcd 2 months ago
@rdcd
"The ones who give it a bad rep are the ones that didn't put any effort to their businesses."
You couldn't be more wrong...but I guess a person like you is used to being wrong. Read Eric Scheibeler's "Merchants of Deception" to hear from someone who put far more effort into the business than you and "gives it a bad rep", as you say. It is a common "stock phrase" retort taught to cult assimilees to discount all criticism as coming from "broke losers" who were "lazy"
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@rdcd
"It was when one of my friends who had been in it longer than me that got a bonus check for $15,000 and that was when I realized this business plan was legit"
It's as if you dullards think that the one and only test that should be applied to Amway is this: "does anybody make money in this?" In your case, the fact that one person indeed made some money made it all check out to you. Listen hard: ALL SCAMS ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE MONEY. If nobody profits, it's not a scam.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@JohnWDB1 All scams are designed to make money? Umm then this is the best scam I've ever been a part of if you ask me. Call it what you want, scam or not, I'm making money and you are not. So you keep wasting your time arguing why amway is a scam, and I'll continue to make money in the process. End of story
rdcd 2 months ago
@rdcd
"Umm then this is the best scam I've ever been a part of if you ask me."
Exactly...Eric Scheibeler said, and I agree, that Amway (or more precisely the Amway motivational organizations) is the largest scale corporate fraud in the history of the world. It dwarfs Enron.
"I'm making money and you are not."
You have no idea how much money I make. I do have an idea how much money you make through Amway, though. Given the time you put it, it is statistically likely to be less than $2/hr.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
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@JohnWDB1
If your idea about how much money rdcd makes from Amway, let's check if you speak the truth through faith and works.
Q1) Is your Amway business account open and active?
Q2) Is your Amway business generating consistent volume monthly?
Q3) Is your Amway business team growing monthly?
Q4) Are you actively mentoring your Amway business team?
Q5) Where do you see your Amway business five years from today?
Terratonific 2 months ago
amway people are brainwashed some people may get some more money but they lose alot in the process like the critical thinking and thinking for themself.The thing is when your brainwased most people dont know they are being brainwashed.Like the people from landmark,they are like robots, so phoney
pjacob2010 2 months ago
I'm sure you will enjoy some of my videos, especially my video called "This is Russian swing" where I do five flips. It's legit and so is Amway. Open your mind to opportunities.
maXstrength300 3 months ago
evry job is a piramid scheme if you didnt notice
whats the chance that your ever going to be C.E.O??
whats the stats on that??
virgovictor 3 months ago
@virgovictor
You can't even spell pyramid scheme (quite literally), let alone comprehend the difference between a pyramid scheme and a legitimate corporation.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
you were born a sucker dip shit, keep working for ur boss thats milking you for everything your worth =)
drewnessxd 3 months ago
amway dont need you..........or you thing they going to go out of business because you don't buy any products.......that is .so stupid..
artfuentes62 4 months ago
@artfuentes62 Hmmmm... You're practically illiterate, yet call people stupid, interesting.
ntrospect 4 months ago
amway dont need you..........or you thing they going to go out of business becuase you don't buy any products........so stupid..
artfuentes62 4 months ago
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That's how i sell potatoes.I order them from the market than i call my friends and tell them about my GREAT potatoes and sell them at a price 10 times higher then i buy them.I made millions with that.In the end i only have to convince them that if they also sell potatoes at this price to THEIR friends,they will get serious money,wich is true.They only have to think positive and if they can't sell them the foult is theirs because they are not good sales-personalities.
freedomofthinking 4 months ago
Why Amway is awesome opportunity for you
h t t p://moneywatch.bnet.com/career-advice/blog/other-8-hours/why-you-should-join-amway/919/
Terratonific 4 months ago
@Terratonific Amway is a scam with cult-like tactics ... read Merchants of Deception (free PDF book available on the internet).
Don't join this crooked organization before doing any research ... just google Amway Scam and then decide for yourselves.
perrrob 3 months ago
@perrrob
I love how you call Google.... research. Research is done with official sources, not Google freedom of expression. By the way perrrob, how would you answer my five questions to you?
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
Only pure idiocy makes a distinction between "Google" and "official sources". A google search is a mix of "unofficial" and "official" sources. A discerning mind knows the difference between credible hits and non-credible hits. You, however, fail to see the difference between credible information and glib, fallacious, upline drivel which you eagerly lap up with zero consideration for alternative perspective.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
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Terratonific 3 months ago
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@JohnWDB1
'Only pure idiocy makes a distinction between "Google" and "official sources"' - JohnWDB1
According to your logic, it would also be true about pure idiocy making a distinction between "milk" and "sperm". After all, they both look the same... so they must interchange just because of that alone. Curious; which one of the two were you drinking as a kid?!
Terratonific 3 months ago
@perrrob How can you seriously tell people to google "Amway scam" and decide for themselves? You apprently decided for them. Why not google "why microsoft sucks" and decide if you like microsoft. or perhaps "Why sex sucks" and decide if it's for you. How bout we look into reliable sources such as the BBB which gives Amway an A+ rating or the Federal Trade Comission.
PokerorDie 2 months ago
@PokerorDie I have not decided anything for anyone ... what I suggested is that people do some research before joining this organization. Are you affraid of what they might find?
perrrob 2 months ago
@perrrob No but you are telling them to google amway "scam". As if they are not going to find a completely biased view point and opinion of the company. Why not tell them to google "Amway is amazing!"?, Your biased viewpoint has no merit. Here's what I say, if you really want to get an idea about this company than go do it. I'm not going to tell you to read some blog thats positive about Amway, just go try it yourself. You can get your money refunded anyway so there is no risk.
PokerorDie 2 months ago
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@perrrob
'I have not decided anything for anyone ...' - perrrob
Oh yes, you are by virtue of what you've decided for yourself. You've decided to not believe and hence, it's that same message you decided to preach to others. You can't fool anyone with common sense; a wolf can't preach to be a dove and somehow become a dove.
Terratonific 2 months ago
@PokerorDie Interesting point, if a little disingenuous.
I will defer to my default position:
1) You are less than 1 year in
2) You are earning zilch.
3) You are fully "on message"
4) You have an Amway shelf-life of 6 months maximum
5) I am 99.6% certain of being correct regarding all of the above.
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify I have a question for you. What about all the people who got in within the last couple of years who are new doing very well in the business? They aren't "sitting at the top" or whatever, they started out just like everyone else and are still growing there business. What do you say to them? You seriously want to go tell those people they made a poor decision that they should have stuck with their job? Those people will help many more people than you ever will.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
So, you ask about people who are "doing very well" in the business but only 2 years in. We're talking about platinums and such? Platinums who make roughly $35K US per year on average despite putting in full-time hours? OK, so good for them for making a modest wage. In fact, it's remarkable that anyone rises to those heights in Amway. Here's where you falter, though: those people aren't helping anyone except their uplines and to a lesser extent, themselves.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
(cont) There will be a few hundred under them (most of which have already churned and burned) who will be losing money for their efforts. Perhaps the greatest lie that Amway feeds you is that those people, throwing money at tapes in a hopeless effort to achieve their dreams, are somehow being HELPED. It's almost laughable as a concept and incredibly apparent to your rationally minded critics. This fallacy that you now axiomatically regurgitate is the greatest load of tripe they've fed you yet.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 You say the platinum is helping his upline... yet, how do you think he does that? By building his downline, helping those in his business under him. And who said they are putting in full time hours? I think my platinum probably puts in 20 or so hours a week. But he's been earning his Q-12 for over 2 years now, he makes alot more than 35k despite the 15k bonus check and the free trip every year. And his income with increase by about 50% next year most likely.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"You say the platinum is helping his upline... yet, how do you think he does that?"
You think the above is a clever question, right? Like, oh I really got him here. All you've done is restate my point. Upline is always helped at the expense of downline.
"By building his downline, helping those in his business under him."
And all you've done here is recycle the same mistake you made earlier. Enrolling new "IBO" is in no sense "helping" them (except helping them lose money)
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"I think my platinum probably puts in 20 or so hours a week."
Great! But wait, who cares what you "think" your platinum "probably" does? How many uncertain terms does it take for you to finally reach a conclusion?
Even if you're right with all your guestimation, it amounts to little more than a "Man Who argument" (look it up and learn some logic). The problem with Amway isn't the few who succeed, it's the millions who MUST, by necessity, FAIL to make their success possible
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 How is that different from any business exactly? If 300 ice cream shops open up in a town of 10000 people, do you think they would all do really well? Of course not, over 99% of them would fail as they should... that's how business works. The best business survives while the rest crumble. How is this a difficult concept to grasp? Just like netflix putting many people out of business. They CANNOT all succeed, it's impossible. Nothing new here.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"How is that different from any business exactly? If 300 ice cream shops open up in a town of 10000 people, do you think they would all do really well?"
Here's where you miss the point (as usual): Any other "franchise" researches the market before jumping in. You simply wouldn't see 300 baskin robbins open up in one town, nor would you see a marble slab open up in a town with 20 baskin robbins. Amway intentionally seeks to over-saturate any prospective market.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
You see, the entire business model, as it currently operates, is predicated on failure. As long as retail sales are almost zero, that will be the case. As long as potential profits from motivational material sales far exceed those from retail sales, that will be the case. The only way that will change is for a similar thing to happen in the US that has already happened in the UK. Google the link Steve has recommended to get a clue.
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 Why don't you go to costco or walmart, tell them "you guys do realize that your business is predicated on failure dont you?". It's the same thing. Not all box store businesses can exist together, as with ANY other business. You single Amway out and ignore something that's plain as day.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@JohnWDB1 1 ohter thing. You said as long as retail sales are almost 0?... Nutrilte has passed 3 billion in annual sales. What exactly are you referring to i'm a little confused.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie
"You said as long as retail sales are almost 0?... Nutrilte has passed 3 billion in annual sales. What exactly are you referring to i'm a little confused."
I wish you were only *a little* confused. Retail sales is different from personal consumption. This is extremely important, as the portion of total sales that come from personal consumption (people "buying from themselves") is restricted by FTC regulations that Amway ignores. The fact you are ignorant of this is not surprising
JohnWDB1 1 month ago
@steveh777ify So you judge everything on what other people have done. Maybe everyone should do that. Maybe Steve Jobs and Einstein and Edison should have done that. Statistically what they did was stupid no? 10000 times to invent a light bulb, this guy made history with a .0001 sucess rate. So really what is your point? I'm not trying to scam anybody, it's not like I'm going to register someone i met off youtube, i wouldn't even want to. I have no reason to lie to you.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie Interesting Analogy. Wrong on just about every level if you compare Einstein/Jobs/Edison with" Amway". In each case, these people had a singular vision, and the resolve to see it through to the general benefit of Humanity.
Amway (via it's Motivational Groups) targets vulnerable sectors of society, who fall in love with "The Dream" as promoted by Kingpin Upline vested interests who want to flog you recycled motivational tools.
...You are being manipulated. Einstein wasn't. End Of.
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@PokerorDie I could be more vehement in my response, but I have no doubt you are a decent guy with best of intentions.You really should consider the history of this "opportunity" in some detail, if you choose to associate with it.
"Marketing Group merely selling a Dream" is a starting point. "Merchants of Deception" is another. The information is all there. You just have to listen to your own voice rather than the hollow platitudes mouthed by your "Upline"
Best Wishes.
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify Ok i'm way ahead of all, i've already read all that stuff. I've read probably more negative things about Amway than you have. I know all about the history of the company, as well as the deceitful nature of various other MLM business/scams. You don't think I looked into these things before getting involved? lol. Really? You see, with all respect, here's the problem with you dude, you only look at one side of the coin, all the negative, and so that's all you know.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@steveh777ify I on the other hand saw both sides of the story. After reading all the things from negative Amway haters I decided to get a second opinion, so i looked at some of the positive things. I've heard the countless stories of people who love and had success in the business, watched tons of youtube videos with people getting their checks... So I was confused... I heard two sides of the story. Here were people telling me it sucked and didn't work, and here were people tell...
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@steveh777ify telling me how awesome it was and proudly flashing their checks around. So I decided to get involved... after all it's completely risk free. Why not experience it instead of go off of some hate forum or blog? And stop pretending like everybody is Amway is "out to getcha", that they are just spouting "hollow platitudes"... the success principals that these people talk about are identical to all those found in history from Andrew Carnegie up.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@steveh777ify How can you seriously act like everyone in your upline is evil and deceptive. You don't even know any of these people and you judge them because of what JOECOOL says. You honestly believe all of these people are bad people? Get fuckin real will ya? You can talk bad about this company all you want, but I only can speak from experience. Stop reading all this crap on the web, be it positive or negative, and experience it for yourself. Risk free so why not.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie There's little more I can say, you are clearly fully assimilated and plugged-in. FYI I was involved in the 1990's and saw a good friend lose his shirt, his job and his marriage because he committed totally to this decades-long Scam. I dunno how much smoke you have to ingest before you get the impression something must be on fire, but can only refer you to the lucid counter-arguments made here and elsewhere
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify How the bloody hell do you lose your job? That makes absolutely no sense... Please elaborate. And what about people who have made money in this business? What do you say to them?
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie (He) lost his job because the Hell-or-Bust Amway Myth consumed his life, and his forced involvement/attendance to Seminars/Rallies/meetings shifted his focus from where he should have been. You see, you can be gently sucked into this "opportunity" but you are gradually assimilated and distanced from wider society, having been sold into a false dream of wealth. You know this already. Amway is Us and Them. Right?
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify and "FORCED" involvement. SERIOUSLY? This is what amazes me, I thought amway was supposed to be lying to people, but it turns out you are. Which your amazing exaggerations. NOBODY is forced to do anything, it's recommended. You will fall out most likely if you don't stay around the people in the business. You will get discouraged from all the skeptics and Amway know-it-alls if you don't, but you dont HAVE to, that's just dishonest
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@PokerorDie We can argue this all day long, but the fact remains that the OVERWHELMING majority of IBO's lose money because they are being actively misled by the Motivational Groups they align with. Decades of controversy, litigation, in-fights between millionaire tool-scammers, name-changes, Dateline investigations, Regulatory banning in the U.K.....
I mean, what does it take to smell a Scam. You HAVE to be brainwashed to ignore these compelling FACTS, surely???
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify I've done my history on the company long before becoming involved. Alot of what you say is based off of disingenuous IBO's. Has absolutely nothing to do with the Amway corporation. I've watched the little Chris Hansen investigation, i've seen it all, alot of which misrepresents the company. Nobody banks on an individuals failure, I dont understand where you get these lies.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
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steveh777ify 1 month ago
@PokerorDie Of course there are good, aspirational people in Amway. No argument. Where you are misinformed is in wholly selling out to "The Dream" on the basis of following a number of specific steps to "certain success",ie "the system" It's a Lie
It's possible that with stupendous diligence, charismatic leadership, innate charm and selfless dedication you can build this crumbling edifice of improbability before the tide sweeps it away. But I doubt the odds are in your favour.
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify I attend the fuctions as well, in fact thousands of people do. Doubt many of them lost their jobs... sounds like a load of crap of to me. Sounds like you are trying to blame your friends failure on Amway.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@steveh777ify Honestly, you do understand that you doing well is good for Amway. By you succeeding in this business you make the comany more money... do you not get that at all. The education they lay out if from decades of experience and knowing what works best. The amazing thing about this business is nobody wants you to fail. You make the company, your downline, your upline more money when you succeed.
PokerorDie 1 month ago
@perrrob
'Amway is a scam with cult-like tactics' - perrrob
Too bad I am a perfect fit for Amway and excited to be 100% on board!
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific Yep, you sound like a perfect brainwashed Ambot ... enjoy those "motivational" tapes. LOL
perrrob 2 months ago
@perrrob
Yes, I certainly will! I'm listening now to a tape by Larry Winters. The guy rocks! Too bad you got rocked out...
Terratonific 2 months ago
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silviaf843 4 months ago
lol... u did it wrong... it didnt work for u... then u failed...where many have succeeded.... now u raging... umadbro?
ACKAX 4 months ago
AMWAY might suck but you come off like an idiot and do the inverse making it look good with no info just pics
85mariapatricia 4 months ago
I may have mentioned this before:
Google "Marketing Group merely selling a Dream"
Then go your own sweet way IBO Assholes !
steveh777ify 4 months ago
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steveh777ify 4 months ago
Quick to Judge or informed of the facts??
My Good Friend, you are the victim of a Corporate Cult with a very clear Agenda.
I KNOW it's glamorous, evocative, inspirational and exciting to be told you can attain Financial Freedom in 2-5 yrs. I GET IT !
Don't take my word...just look to your own here-and-now in this business.
..Then Go Figure.
steveh777ify 5 months ago
lol Im sorry you think that about some one you dont know, you seem very quick to judge, but thats ok 9 months is cake my friend. I hope you find something that works for you. Take care man.
flip1088 5 months ago
@YourFriendHerbie
But...but...but...but what about the old saying that the divorce rate in Amway is less than 1%?!? Could it be that your best friend's case is the rule rather than the exception? How many marriages, friendships, childhoods, and retirement plans has Amway ruined with false promises? Anyone who enters this business without reading Eric Scheibeler's "Merchants of Deception" does so without the benefit of due diligence, and they do so at their peril.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
@YourFriendHerbie really? have u been on this bussiness before? do you know we have the leading brand of vitamins and supplements in the world? did you know this bussiness has 52 years in the world? amway a joke? really? get a life man, before you start talking garbage atleast give this bussiness a chance. i bet you havent beeon on it, and if you have, well you havent done shit at all. so dont talk shit about my company. go to a meetting and ul see it aint fake. dumbass
planetvegeta96 5 months ago
@planetvegeta96 Buddy, "your" company could be marketing The Philosphers Stone, The Eiixer of Life and The Holy Grail....they would still be the Scum Lords of the f*****g Universe."Leading Brand of Vitamins"???...Crap !
The Moonies and the Scientologists can boast longevity....as can many Cults. That does NOT impart nobility, it merely emphasises how many gullible Idiots and desperate people are ripe for exploitation.
...Including you, presumably.
steveh777ify 5 months ago
@steveh777ify you make no sense at all, have e you even tried the vitamins?btw yea leading brand of vitamins! cuz atleast we sell vitamins that are organic and natural, we have products that are biodegradable, we are all around the globe these vitamins helped me when i had mygraines. . we have 52 years in the world, yeah you might say AMWAY brainwashes you, which it does! but it brainwashes you in a good way in order to be a better person and not like others like you.
planetvegeta96 5 months ago
@planetvegeta96 Well at least we can agree that you are being mind-fucked. That's a step in the right direction !
steveh777ify 4 months ago
@steveh777ify were being mind fucked? no. were being prepared to be better human beings. cuz society is being controled by the media. all you people think that the government is gonna fix all your problems. in school they teach us to believe that going to college is the best option. its not. there aint no jobs. amway is a great opportunity and its sad to see people like you not taking advantage of this great opportunity. what are you gonna do when you cant get a job?
planetvegeta96 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96
What do you mean "all you people think"??? What you are doing is akin to "strawman" argumentation. You've sought to characterize steve, attributing weak positions to him that you can more easily rail against. How do you know steve thinks the government is "gonna fix all [his] problems"? You have zero evidence for that assertion, but then we all know you aren't interested in weighing the evidence, don't we?
JohnWDB1 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96 Just a thought.
How do you define "better person"? Is it:
a) exploiting your fellow man, knowing he is 99+% certain to lose money and regret joining?
b) Glorying in false dreams of material wealth, and wallowing in ill-gotten Riches like your Kingpin Upline?
c) Prostituting your individuality (if you have any) to the corporate agenda, and joining in a Cult-collective similar to the Borg in "Star Trek"
...I'm confused. Is this being "better"?
Resistance is Futile !
steveh777ify 4 months ago
@steveh777ify all those ideas of amway that you have are all wrong. amway isnt a multilevel that just started its been around for 52 years. helping people have a better life. all you people who dont believe amway works is cuz youve heard of alll those companies that ended up being scams. well i tell you: do you think that a company that has been around for so long is gonna be a scam? ofcourse not! but you still dont believ my friend, you have to see it to believe it.
planetvegeta96 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96 "helping people have a better life"????
What people are you alluding to, precisely? 996 people lose money for every one (1) Upline Kingpin Tool-Scammer who leeches off his IBO downline.
Don't bother responding, just give it 12 months and form your own value-judgement.
(Your Upline will not promote free-thinking, but ignore him for once...)
steveh777ify 4 months ago
@steveh777ify i already did man. if you dont wanna believe well thats your loss. lates man
planetvegeta96 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96 ...And what part of the article did you struggle with, precisely???
I think you're the one in denial here Buddy....But no worries, your Upline will make sure you stay that way. Hell, you may last a year before bailing out !
steveh777ify 3 months ago
@steveh777ify my dad just got to the silver level and he got a check for $2,000 you call that fake?
planetvegeta96 3 months ago
@planetvegeta96
The stupidity of Ambots never ceases to amaze. Please concentrate very, very hard on this: NOBODY said that NO ONE makes ANY money in Amway. The POINT is that 99.6% OR MORE lose money for their time/money investment. The fact that SOME make a paltry wage for their efforts doesn't change this fact! Concentrate harder than you ever have managed to before, and perhaps you'll comprehend what is elementary for most!
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
with all due resspect man, why do you continue to give this great company a bad reputation.? i cant believe you actually believe what people have told you saying that " amway doesnt work" and what not. well look i tell you, the people who say it doesnt work are the ones who do enter this bussiness and dont do anything at all. they expect money to just magically appear on their hands. those people arent willing to sacrifice themselves in order to have a better life.
planetvegeta96 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96
"why do you continue to give this great company a bad reputation?"
Amway's reputation had already begun to putrify circa 1980, and by the mid 90's it was thought so irreparable that the company changed its name to Quixtar in a effort to escape it. Whatever Steve has to say does nothing to alter that reputation. What he is doing, and what I suggest you do, is carefully considering the evidence for said reputation and drawing his own conclusion, aka due diligence.
JohnWDB1 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96 Respect back to you Buddy. I believe we have a similar outlook in terms of aspiration. Where we disagree is in choice of vehicle to drive said aspiration.
If you were a serious enterpreneur, you would do appropriate research. Your Upline will spoon-feed you with pro-Amway indoctrination and "positive" messages. You need to look a little deeper into your chosen involvement. What aspect of the FACT that Amway is TOTALLY DISCREDITED in the UK do you struggle with?... I'm all ears!
steveh777ify 4 months ago
@planetvegeta96 I had zero involvement in the UK government interceding to prevent Amways abuses and ongoing misrepresentations here in the UK.
...Ditto in China.
I was not involved in the countless lawsuits relating to the Motivational Tools Scam perpetuated by Kingpin Distributors across two decades.
I was not implicated in the losses incurred by hundreds of thousands of deluded IBO hopefuls across decades who bought into a false Dream of Riches.
...Not Me Buddy !
....
steveh777ify 4 months ago
ps. If you are in the 0.4% who make a net profit then you would be focussing your efforts on building the business....not questioning your involvement on the internet.
steveh777ify 5 months ago
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Looking for serious and hard working people who want to earn good money working on my team. Email me at: foster_236@hotmail.com and I will send you an Eligibility Form to fill out. If all is well then you can start working on my team ASAP!
foster2367 5 months ago
Im sorry you guys quit.
flip1088 5 months ago
@flip1088 I'm even sorrier for you as a mid-churn, plugged-in, assimilated Quitter-In -waiting.
(9 months tops Buddy, then you're Amway History......I'm 99.6% certain of this. That's the documented attrition rate)
steveh777ify 5 months ago
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pandiras 5 months ago
@pandiras
And nobody is forced to sign onto a ponzi scheme, join a fanatical cult, or give his money to a con-man. They're called confidence-men because they're skilled at winning your confidence. All is done voluntarily...confidently...trustingly. Fortunately, none of that makes it legal. Fortunately, there are some people among our lawmakers who can think more critically and discerningly than you.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
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pandiras 5 months ago
@pandiras
Writing PSS is like saying "Post script script". It has no meaning. You mean to say PPS, which would be "Post, post script". Notice how you don't know even the little bit that you thought you did. You don't think about what things mean. You just vomit words and hope it means something smart or hope that nobody will be able to tell the difference. I'm sure you're used to having that fly with the uneducated, glib, mass-mindset mob in Amway, but it won't fly with me.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
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pandiras 5 months ago
@pandiras
What gives you the right to admonish people against using the term "cult", even to go so far as to command them "NEVER" to relate it to Amway? Are you a cult expert? I have gathered from your writings that you don't much of anything (cruzified??? c'mon), much less what defines a cult and how to critically evaluate what is and what is not. You'd *like* for me not to call Amway a cult, but you have no factual basis for arguing that I shouldn't.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
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foster2367 5 months ago
Hmm how come i never see vedios about how the job system works and how you being a consumer to other retail outlets affect your money? If anyone wacthes this ask those two questions. Isnt a job a big scam? why are you paid 8hr or even lets say 25 hr for time you will never get back? Is your life relly that invaluble to you? Also FYI every day you live you ARE MAKING SOMEONE RICH :) {unless you live in a cave and eat form the forest then you aren't]
LORDNAG1 5 months ago
@LORDNAG1
1) explain why being paid and agreed-upon wage plus benefits in exchange for your time, by your own free choice, is a scam?
2) invaluable doesn't mean "not valuable". Learn English.
3) In Amway, the 90th percentile IBO is paid far less than minimum wage for his time (that he will never get back)
4) Selling someone your labor does not make him rich. Giving someone 25% in bonuses of your purchases each month and buying his tapes does make him rich.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
@LORDNAG1 I think you will find that..........No, I can't actually be bothered responding to this. I'm going away to have a meaningful conversation with my pet Hamster.
steveh777ify 5 months ago
@steveh777ify you just did respond to it but couldn't come up with a good comeback LMAO. GO hide in the bushes and wacth and take your hamster with you too!
LORDNAG1 4 months ago
Hmm how come i never see vedios about how the job system works and how you being a consumer to other retail outlets affect your money? If anyone wacthes this ask those two questions. Isnt a job a big scam? why are you paid 8hr or even lets say 25 hr for time you will never get back? Is your life relly that invaluble to you? Also FYI every day you live you ARE MAKING SOME RICH :) {unless you live in a cave and eat form the forest then you aren't]
LORDNAG1 5 months ago
I'm only going to say one thing, I feel sorry for the person who made this video.
otrebor1004 6 months ago
@otrebor1004 Really???
Is this because the person concerned does not buy into the "Dream" as promoted by the Amway Motivational Organisations and as sanctioned by Amway Corporation?
Is it possible that you have been mislead to some extent?
steveh777ify 5 months ago
i will say this to all those who look at this video.
think about one thing. why will bank of america, bestbuy, and some other company are with amway? they have better ways to investigate to find out if this is a scan. if this was a scan they wouldnt be with amway.
goodgreen2008 6 months ago
...and do u think that athletes like Ronaldinho and others would be sponsor for nutrilite. Do u think that nutrilite would've last for over 75 years? I know that there is this guy. Who was in Amway. Bt had no ethic I think he was a diamond already. Something happen. He got Kicked out of the business and can never join Amway again. So. He is trying to. Give Amway a bad reputation.
caifan001 6 months ago 13
@caifan001 You can't get kicked out of Amway, unless you do something illegal. IDIOT!
Masterm1me 6 months ago
@caifan001 yeah! i agree with you!
planetvegeta96 5 months ago
To quixtarscam, steveh777, and those others that don't like Amway. Do u think. Know more than the business men of over 80 countries. Do u think a country. Would let a scam business get in? And dun
caifan001 6 months ago
@caifan001 Yes, of COURSE it would if it shows a healthy profit for manufacturers, suppliers, and all associated.
Slavery was extant for several thousand years, and made many people fabulously wealthy at the expense of the misery and deprivation of millions.
.....Do I need to exand on this general theme?
steveh777ify 6 months ago
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@steveh777ify
"Slavery was extant for several thousand years, and made many people fabulously wealthy at the expense of the misery and deprivation of millions."
Very succinct and powerful example that will undoubtedly be glossed over and missed by the glib dimwits who peruse these comment boards. I have frequently fielded arguments of "how can a scam make x billion dollars" and I've frequently replied "scams are designed to make money". My point has universally been missed.
JohnWDB1 6 months ago
and one last thing, BEFORE YOU START JUDGING AMWAY , GET SOME INFO YOU IDIOT.
planetvegeta96 7 months ago 2
@planetvegeta96 INFO????
I presume you are referring to your revered and esteemed Upline?
.....Oh Dear
steveh777ify 7 months ago
@planetvegeta96 that s what happen when u r in a pyramid scam business like this, you call idiot to some one who do not agreed with ur rules, couse u get upset he doesn`t go under u, buying expensive stuffs to make u earn some bucks.my friends are mad at me cause I don want to join Amway. they get the money recruiting instead of sales, but the FTC can`t not prove it, that`s why it s a pyramid scheme. go and be happy loosing money, it s an invest for the future.
jorginio153 6 months ago
@jorginio153 and btw when you join amway you dont buy expensive stuff. amway has vitamins that are 100% natural and organic and that are grown without any chemicals. amway is associatedwit hstores like best buy and miscrosoft. amway isnt a scam, its just that people who say it sucks maybe joined it but wanted the money right away from the start. i tell you it takes time. this company has 52 years and it has never failed. it is over 80 countries in the world and iys growing.
planetvegeta96 6 months ago
@planetvegeta96 actually Amway is not a scam ,it s a kind of pyramid business where people get rich when others lose money. it will be alive for more than 52 years like the communism in Cuba and it was in more than 80 countries before it collapse, because it consists in brainwash method and motivate the multitude. I know it works but just for a few . if u r one of those few with the charism to convince people of a better future go ahead, but do it with open mind and be patience(fundamental key)
jorginio153 6 months ago
@jorginio153 if you dont wanna believe well thats your life.
planetvegeta96 6 months ago
@planetvegeta96 Yeah, you tell em'! :D
Masterm1me 6 months ago
@Masterm1me just got told some sweet truths.
planetvegeta96 5 months ago
Amway has been around for more than 52 years man. it has helped people get rich in 6 to 7 years. what do you know about amway? do you know what a diamond is? do you know what pv/ bv are? have you ever even been on this bussiness? did u know that this company doesnt invest money in wall street, amway is a private company. if you dont want to belive and want to still live the life you have with that boring job, well thats you. Im gonna get rich.
planetvegeta96 7 months ago 2
@planetvegeta96 Future tense again? What a surprise !
"I'm gonna ger rich" Meaning that you aren't at the moment and are in the process of being churned as a fully bought-and-paid-for Cult Member....one of hundreds of thousands worldwide.
What gives you the right to an opinion here? The entire basis of the argument is that 99.6% of Ambots fail comprehensively, having been bent over and ritually b**t f****d by a greedy inhumane Corporate withan agenda. You are simply not qualified to comment.
steveh777ify 6 months ago
@Quixtarisascam : well watever man, i dont care. amway is a great bussiness oportunity, millions of families have achieved great economic relief thanks to this great bussiness. If you want to be like the rest of the world's population(poor) well theres nothing i can do to change your mind. The only reason you think amway is a scam is cause you have never been in it. And if u have been in it you have done absolutely nothing
planetvegeta96 7 months ago
@planetvegeta96
"amway is a great bussiness oportunity, millions of families have achieved great economic relief thanks to this great bussiness."
False. There are only about 3-4 million current IBO, and less than 1% (read: less than 40,000) of those are currently turning a profit. Only a fraction of that profitable 1% is earning greater than minimum wage for their time. Some tens of millions have joined and quit, and nearly all of those after losses ranging from nominal to significant.
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
As an IBO, im sorry to in form you that your "so-called" facts; at the end of this presentation are 'jaw-droppngly' incorrect, like Kir0880 said.
matthewr91 7 months ago
@matthewr91 I'm very teachable Matthew. Maybe you can "edify" or "educate" me as to why Amway was closed down here in the UK in keeping with the govermental instigated findings as noted in my Google reference below.
...I would LOVE to be proved wrong. I guess it must be my masochistic leanings?
steveh777ify 7 months ago
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matthewr91 7 months ago
All these bullshit MLMs use their supposefly amazing products as the vehicle for the money to change hands. If these products were really that good, they could stand on their own merits in the market. Quixtar and all the other ones do nothing more than take advantage of people by exploiting hopes and dreams. You're pouring money into inventory and the rest of the time is spent suckering other people in under the same false visions of financial and personal freedom.
TheyCallMeTheGambler 7 months ago