@ MsOndine and pastorekaren---- do you know why danny's facebook mentions 2 friends - christine and john mcvie? is there another page? yesterday i posted , and suggested that likely danny had encountered a married woman(on the road?), , but maybe his own wife was who he referred to. or a band member . anyway, we know he was a young innocent , treated as a dishrag, and he was a soul that would rather suffer than hurt anyone else. while bloodied he tried to be helpful. he couldn't leave.
don't forget that his solo songs are gorgeous. 32 songs plus alternate takes, on 4 disks. his legacy is secure. but he is so much more than a beautiful songwriter, singer , and guitarist. i simply cannot imagine having a more loyal ,devoted, caring, loving friend than danny kirwan. that is how i hear him. and how i see him. it isn't just me. everyone here cherishes him.
@ pastorekaren and MsOndine i have a suspicion that there is a sexual angle to the story. i remember reading that danny didn't care for married women . why would he say that? he likely had such an experience. but what if it was within the band? danny is beautiful, and approachable. he would have done anything for those band mates. his last night he hurts himself,stays, thinking he is helpful, not to hurt them. he wouldn't hurt anything but himself. he just can't hurt them
You bring up yet another great point: I often talk about how the rest of them [aside from Green] did not do their work, & that Danny of course was saddled with doing ALL their work combined as they partied 24/7, but you bring up perhaps a more devistating point: it seems they COULD NOT do much of anything, most of all McVie & bless him Fleetwood too! & after Green left this band LIVED off of Danny's winning formula, still to this day: with more of a sellout twist to the sound:it's Dannys
I also honor Danny's hard work and his genius in the INFO section in his BIO...stop by & tell me what you think!! I'm one of 5 other administrators. YOU would be a great one to add if you would like!! Just let me know....I'm the Karen Pastore on fb with all the pictures of Danny in my profile album. Love to hear from you!!
@msOndine I LOVE what you have said here! I strive to reveal what Danny did in his career on DANNY KIRWAN the FB COMMUNITY PAGE. Had a troll come on but I took him on & he fled. Sadly if people with mass media PR attention as HUGE CELEBRITIES repeat lies enough times everyone starts to believe it. And for these celebs people love to keep calling Danny names for drinking & for having suffered mental illness, it's bloodsoaked hypocricy & bigotry. I posted 4 posts proving Danny worked the hardest.
We need to remember that Danny saved the band when Green left BUT he also saved the first version of the band: Green was going to leave music : unless Danny did the work of all the others combined, while GReen did half the songs & Danny the whole other half: plus take over lead half the time, then most of the time on guitar: Danny was 5 yrs younger at 17, but did this perfectly freeing Green up to write brilliant songs: they outsold the Beatles/Stones combined. if not for Danny it was over.
They stressed danny to no end, so he was alone most of the time: HE WAS WORKING while they took drugs/partied: so they could not relax around him : THEY WERE partied like jerks while HE WAS DOING MOST OF THEIR WORK & trying to get them to do THEIR jobs, without complaining: So he was like one with autism, his illness worked on him that way, BUT HE WAS ALONE DOING 75% OF THEIR WORK: they went on to spend millions on rehab for themselves but you say look where the dumped mentally ill one ended up
FUZZYGREENDUCK you say look where he ended up !! What a blow !! Danny had real mental illness YET he did 75% of that bands work & never complained about them!! as they partied their asses off, he drank to self medicate! as most people suffering such illness do: he did everything to help them 24/7 but when they stressed his illness to the max THEY grand stand that HE was the problem !! He's a friend doing most of your work: give something back ! Be there for him F your sell out careers!! Be there
@pastorekaren9 I fully agree about the rest of the band leaving Danny to his own troubles. I have read Peter Greens life story. And also about Fleetwood Mac. John Mcvie and Mick Fleetwood never put anything into the group musically. Some of the best tunes came from Danny and Peter`s songwriting They were so much in harmony with each other. God bless you Danny
FUZZYGREENDUCK There is more to the story alright: Danny was doing ALL their work! He should have been pissed at THEM: He wrote half thev songs, helped them on their solo projects, taught them to harmanize, created their new sound & showed up 2 hrs early & they 2 hrs late: he worked his ass off as THEY got drunk, partied, took drugs: they had the winning formula from him & dumped him because helping him ment losing some fame/cash: after all he did for them: all that pressure on him !!!!
when danny smiles , he is an angel. he is a bit older now, yet there is a light inside him , and he will smile and laugh again. danny is a gentle giant of popular music, as sweet and wonderful as anyone could wish. it is true , some photos did not capture his smile. why fm abandoned danny-- my guess is that j mcvie may have had homosexual issues concerning danny, and danny did not .
@MsOdine McVie can be jelious of brilliance but he can't steal that either: all he can do is trash & belittle Danny to try & feel better about himself like al bullies: as for women & Danny: Danny alone made their fan base swell: but unlike other women I have never taken notice of his looks back then...Ok I can't write that & keep a straight face, but I tried:))) & notice nothing takes away from Danny's beauty because it really came from inside, from his heart, so losing his looks or aging is OK
Yes, I know what you mean:) Physical beauty is only interesting, when it's combined with talent. That he now looks differently than 40 years ago, doesn't make his talent shine any less brighter or make his personality any different. I hope he gets the recognition he deserves in time. He deserves a book, website or documentary of his own, in which is told what he meant for FM as a guitar player/composer/arranger/singer.
@MsOdine And you brought up McVie & his domestic abuse: which doesn't make him any more attractive. Truth is it's only the beauty on the inside that matters: he has shown little of that. It seemed to bother him that females began to like the band most when Danny joined: to watch Danny. Then Green started to lokk 'cuter' as a 'brother' on stage of Danny, Danny even gave them sex appeal: although Danny was too humble to take pictures & swagger about it. McVie clearly wanted the attention Danny got
@MsOdine You bring up a strong point I've been hearing repeated by many, inluding some who knew McVie: after all dispite his talent where would he truly be if not for Green and Danny Kirwan?? as for looks I joked on fb that Mcvie is pissed because of the 2 blonds in the band, he WASN'T married to the beautiful one! & Christine is pissed because, that being true, she's still better looking than McVie that she 'had' to sleep with everynight! Jokes aside these 2 are unattractive on the inside too.
Yeah, he was the typical man in the backtground, you didn't notice. Talented bass player, but no songwriter or singer, who parasited on other people's writing talents. I think that's the big problem with this band. The rhythm section owns the name, while the so-called side people are the songwriters who earn the money for them.
Brr, high time they put an edit button on YouTube. Also their text size limit is far too small. This way you never can write what you want to write in one single message:(
Fleetwood claims he was Danny's friend. But when he didn't need him anymore, he dumped him flat. But I have a strong suspicion that the real reason he always feels the need to ignore him (in documentaries, his autobiography etc) is probably because McVie forces him to. No idea what really went on there, but I have a strong suspicion their story is very coloured. And there is also Bob Welch. He wanted Danny fired more than a half year before it actually happened...
ps And when they partied he, underage, stayed alone in a hotel room , suffering depression & desperately lonely for a relationship: he was sort of homeless then: he & his mom had lived alone in a basement boiler room abandoned: Green even says when they were partying, he often was out trying to find his father in sweden etc : He never found him. that's why my friend Peter's son, relates to Danny. Peter did similar to him. That's how we became friends. The tragedies in this tale are senseless/sad
Everyone talks about how Danny should not have drank: when UNLIKE THEM he drank to self medicate as those suffering mental illness in youth , confused/afriad often do: OK he had a temper with Green: Green was 5 yrs older, putting mega pressure on a kid for his advantage: HE took massive amounts of drugs infront of a kid who saw them as older brother/male/father figures, as a kid who was abandoned by his dad: What about THEM! This bashing of Danny by the music press is inhuman & woefully biased.
And it's great you bring up about that guitar incident being so...fuzzy...the way it's told: all you read in those 'expert' articles is how Danny then criticized their performance, when EVEN McVie in that notorious documentary allows it to be said that Danny COMPLIMENTED them afterwards: & they go on attacking him when he was almost helpless to defend himself given he was homeless & interviewers use to just set him up then make fun of his mental issue as "a drunk" to sell papers/mags: more users
I think it's for a big part jealousy from McVie's side. Peter Green hired Danny, not only because of his very striking guitar skills, but also because McVie and Fleetwood were no songwriters at all and Jeremy Spencer only was able to come up with one after the other Elmore James imitation. Also Spencer didn't want or couldn't play duets with Peter. Apart from this, McVie was a rather plain looking guy compared to Danny, a stunning blond hunk, noticed by gals like Janice Joplin:)
Danny even put himself into a facility for extrem anxiety & other mental illnesses but his problem was not well understood back then: this is JUST when compassion from 'friends' who care could have made the difference: Instead everyone kept yelling at Danny & mocking his fears & what we know to be schizophrenia: More & more pressure to help their behinds, to fix their problems, to make them susscessful: & he did all of that for them: what did they do for a friend? Success is all they cared about
Yes, every time any of them speak of Danny it's that damn incident they go happily on & on about WHY? Danny bashed his guitar so he, terrified of going on stage could not go AND he smashed his own head against the wall creating alot of blood: this was a guy drinking [unlike THEIR drinking & drugs] to self medicate for his illness: he bashed his HEAD interestingly enough: Why would you kick him away when he was in that state THEY helped put him in? They had HIS winning formula: didn't NEED him!!!
I would not even want McVie himself treated, as he has treated Danny: NO one should be treated in such an inhuman way: and in my opinion at least, McVie deserves it...but inhumanity is barbaric & no one should be attacked, snuffed, summed up and hated as Danny has was/is. A little human respect is not too much to ask nor give.
All some genuine hearts are asking is that Danny, a brilliant guitar player, be given equal respect along side Green: this is not too much to ask & has been earned the hard way: Danny will never have the billions the others have, at least, please allow him the respect that Green has: Without Danny almost none of the great Green songs would be: Danny had lived homeless for around 40 yrs: a true soul who lived the Blues: allow him the respect he deserves. No one should be treated like Danny.
This is almost exactly what I am saying for some time. The Rumours line-up has the money, Green has the critical acclaim, but Danny has neither of them. And that is very unfair. In many books, FM websites, fan documentaires, like Videobiography or the Unbroken Chain he is almost completely ignored, or treated like some hired hand. They only think it's interesting to mention why he was fired.
Someone flagged your comment as spam, when it clearly is not, there was nothing wrong with what you said, if anything you were too kind to McVie ...there was no reason to attempt to hide your comment with this form of undesereved cencorship. i hope whoever did this would please rethink the action & allow Danny Kirwan to simply have his side told against the PR media control of billionairs: All anyone is asking is for the lies to end & facts allowed: all us little people matter too.
Thanks for reminding me. But it's actually daniel213141's response to my reaction (which was far less kind to Mr McVie;)) which was flagged as spam. I am afraid only the YouTube machine is to blame for this. daniel213141 posted the same message several times (clearly by mistake) and this is not allowed by YouTube:)
And McVie has the classless billionair arrogance to sum up the hard working Danny: who worked his ass of for them all those yrs while he mainly just got high, using a FU gesture over one incident, when their stressed out meal-ticket could not handle his severe mental illness anymore all alone, by summing him up as not doing his job : Italian-without-words...Lets just say I think I'm a little better at I talian without words than McVie: I've created a few news ones too...just for him noless:)
Danny could not complain that Fleetwood and McVie were hard to work with...BECAUSE Danny was doing ALL their work!! What work were they doing? Green would not let Danny join UNLESS he agreed to write half the songs for the new album & Green wrote the other half....the others just partied like jerks 24/7 at that time: They used Danny & even though they, as older male figures were a terrible example to a fatherless kid 5 yrs younger, the 17 yr old did what they asked 100%: yet Mcmeeee hates Danny
It was like nirvana & Kurt Cobain, he used to get 75% of the earnings, & Khrist & Dave had to share 25%, sick or what, why did Kurt think he should get double what the other 2 got put together I do not know, singers think they R the band, it takes all members to make it, & if they don't get their own way, they get new drummers ect & leave the 1 they have in the shit, it is not fair man, mark knofler never sold his band mates out, they all got the same, fairs fare like
Danny was the man on guitar like, shame he lost it, because he had that sparkle only a select few have, U think the band would let him have his rants, it's only words, why bands split I do not know, Curt Cobain use to get 75% of the bands earnings, and the other 2 got to share 25%, now why curt thought he was better than Krist & Dave I do not know, why he thought he should get double over them I do not know, a band should be equal end of like, singers always expect more, they think they R better
Danny you deserved so much better than you got~~ If you got what you gave...you'd be the billionaire today...but let them have the praise that Green gets & the money the others have: not all of us are weak enough to listen only to the shameless whinings of billionaires & the worshipped with their millions poured into PR & constant media coverage to smear you & belittle you: & not gve you the vast credit you deserve: On many of Peter's own songs YOU'RE on lead. & on songs they praise Peter for.
it's time people talked about what Danny did for that band FOR A CHANGE, he deserves to hear this before one dy he dies without ever hearing it: He calls himself a jerk of a kid with small talent who should have been glad to ever have been allowed to be in a band with such great talents....Danny is too humble to defend himself. it's time those who admire his brilliance and his beautiful heart took a stand for the guy. He needs take a backseat to NO one. He earned his guitar wings, the hard way!
Danny went into the studio, unasked, and helped Christine as she was doing a cover of one of his songs, later he taught her to harmonize, the whole band, THIS is when she was going to quite music to be a housewife...when the documemtary came on FM they agreed with McVie to snub Danny: saying they hired a 3rd guitarist but he drank too much & refused to go onstage 1 night so F him ! THAT is how they summed up all he did for them & his briliance! Danny's not the crazy one!
But she laughs at his mental illness, calls him WEIRD for not being able to look her in the eyes due to being too afraid....AFTER he went into the studio when she was going to quit music, and as she did a covr of one of his songs, he helped her without being asked. Danny had been homeless 20 yrs!!! When they all listenee to McVie & LEFT DANNY OUT of the ducumentary on Fleetwood Mac, saying he was a 3rd guitarist who drank too much & refused to go onstage 1 day!! WOW! After all he did for them!!
When the band got the winning formula, of the new sound, great songs from Danny they kicked him to the curb: They went on to powerder their noses with Billions & with millions to get great treatment in 8 million dollar planes EACH: while they looked down on danny as they stood on his homeless shoulders , their burned out noses in the air: THEY ALL left him out of the documentary & McVie used a FU gesture to sum up Danny: Christine calls him weird.She owes her career to Danny, helping her yrs ago
Danny did all this suffering severe mental illness no less AND he did it flawlessly at 17: That band was done BEFORE GREEN could produce his BEST stuff...that DANNY made possible by freeing Green up as Green says & we all know: BECAUSE of this that next album was their greatet & they went on to outsell BOTH the Beatles & Stones combined! Later when Green left Danny saved the band again giving them their winning formula UNDER intense pressure as always & drinking due to mental illness.
Danny did all this suffering severe mental illness no less AND he did it flawlessly at 17: That band was done BEFORE GREEN could produce his BEST stuff...that DANNY made possible by freeing Green up as Green says & we all know: BECAUSE of this that next album was their greatet & they went on to outsell BOTH the Beatles & Stones combined! Later when Green left Danny saved the band again giving them their winning formula UNDER intense pressure as always & drinking due to mental illness.
Green hired Danny to play INTERCHANGEABLE GUITAR and to TAKE OVER LEAD MOST of the time in the studio & onstage, & to write HALF the songs on the new album. Danny did that at 17! He was not mentored by a greater guitarist: Green even says Danny was better given he was 5 yrs younger than Green no less. He & the others partied WAY too much as Danny did most of the work: Green says Albatros could not be if not for Danny changing it & green was going to quit music if Danny didn't do all this...
For those who love Fleetwood Mac , especially their incredible early works...we can only hope Danny feel's better someday and we hear his music again. The sun 'really' will shine in joyous warmth & harmony!
Great tribute to Kirwan.Why the fuck did a band who achieved Mega Commercial success dump Kirwan to live on the streets, while they powdered there nose's with millions in Coke.?I Know the story of Danny throwing a wobbly before a concert but would you ditch your brother for being an ASS for one night & make him homeless.?Would YOU ever forgive them for doing that to YOU.? Thats why Kirwan will never forgive them.He has PG integrity. They became "sellouts". Sick of hearing this mega band moan sad
@Kristopful Perhaps the wreaking of the quitar was the excuse that some of the band members needed? The band was having problems with Danny long before he walked off stage. Bob Welch was the only band member who talked to Danny . The rest of the band had just wEARY OF HIM. Ignoring the problem is not the way out. The Stones had the same probelm the Brian Jones. He became a mental burdon on the band with his behavior.
@Kristopful Apparently he just wasn’t getting along with members of the band (according to a couple of biographies) and his drinking was a problem as well (wasn’t McVie having problems?). So it was a number of things that culminated in the incident where he (I think) smashed his guitar then sat out a gig. Fleetwood was pressured to let him go at that point. But I agree on his musical contribution to the group. Just listen to “Kiln House” and Bare trees.
@daniel213141, I honestly think he was too sensitive a person for this band and they drove him mad. It can't be a coincident that 3 members went insane and one almost (Lindsey Buckingham). Also Bob Welch got very stressed from the behaviour of what he called the King Pins: The McVies and Fleetwood. However, still think it's rather a mystery why John McVie seems to hate Danny Kirwan that much after all these years. There must be something else....
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
I think he really knows to hide his hate. But if you carefully watch, you see he makes this very disrespectfully gesture with his hand, when he is talking about Danny, the few times he mentioned him. People who worked with McVie, even Fleetwood say, he is a master in mindgames. And it's hard to win from him. Also his drunken moods are written about in detail in Fleetwood autobiography. He once tried to kill Christine while they were married.
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
@Kristopful - dude , I have been a hard core Fleetwood mac fan since 1969 - one of the 1st albums i iver owned was thn play on - othhter two were white album and quicksilver messenger service - happy trails - also went to the same HS as Lindsey Buckingham and stevie nicks - no shit - tho they were 6 years ahead - I love danny Kirwin and I think FM was definately the greatest blues band of all times except for Howlin Wolfs band - I DO NOT think you know what the fuck you're talking about
@bigbuzman I think there is more to Danny leaving the band than some people know about. I have read Peter Greens life story and It mentions that Danny was drifting appart from the others before Mick Fleetwood fired him. From what I have read he was becoming unworkable with the rest of the band. A very talented guitarist in his own right though. As for Danny`s mental state just look where he ended up.
I am not judging Danny though. Just my thoughts on the whole part of what happend back then.
I think it seems really weird no other, even or at least "then" mates, wouldnt have found him, and helped him ALOT, 'specially when you fiqure he had a HUGE part in where they went w/FM
We're talking'bout two different guitarists-with a different approach to music....Danny's approach is far more lyrical....don't get me wrong-I grew up worshipping Peter Green'n trying to steal his licks...see I'm a guitarist and Green's poster decorates my bedroom wall...but then one day I discovered that ALL the melodic lines I loved in Mac bore Danny's distinctive signature....and I'm not into the blues anymore...I loved their folk-psych tunes more-so...
somwere in england but is a homeles dude sinds the 80tis begous he got drink problems its very sad i wish there was sombody that would get him of the street and bring him back on stage with the old fleetwood mac that would be awesome but i dont think its going to happen:-(
Danny suffered the same mental issues as Peter when some german 'fans' tabbed them with 'bad acid'. He is in an institution in england and recently he has picked up the guitar but onlys plays in solitude. Very sad for two great blues guitarists.
@MorroccoM13 - Do you ever see Danny? Does he have any family or have a job? How mentally ill has he become? I'm just curious to hear whatever happened to such a great musician.
luv old fleetwood mac wish i could get the tabs for their earlier albums any suggestions? anyway danny kirwan was always my fav mac guitarist stay cool thx
Sadly I heard he has died hope I'm wrong he lived about 1 minute away from me in the 80's was always drunk quite a scary guy ,such a shame , what is it with members of Fleetwood Mac ?.
its a sad offence that abeautiful and sensitive and so talented person should end up living a life as a homeless alcoholic,after giving so much music,peace n love danny x
i really like this cover. This is one of my favourite mac songs. When i play it, i usually either put a 7th in the B chord, or I add on an E (4th fret B string) and B (open B string) while playing a B power chord.
Thanks for the comment man. haha it was just a ten minute thing i did and i never learnt the rest of the song cause at the time i only had a sample of it hahah.
@ MsOndine and pastorekaren---- do you know why danny's facebook mentions 2 friends - christine and john mcvie? is there another page? yesterday i posted , and suggested that likely danny had encountered a married woman(on the road?), , but maybe his own wife was who he referred to. or a band member . anyway, we know he was a young innocent , treated as a dishrag, and he was a soul that would rather suffer than hurt anyone else. while bloodied he tried to be helpful. he couldn't leave.
texas4christ 5 days ago
don't forget that his solo songs are gorgeous. 32 songs plus alternate takes, on 4 disks. his legacy is secure. but he is so much more than a beautiful songwriter, singer , and guitarist. i simply cannot imagine having a more loyal ,devoted, caring, loving friend than danny kirwan. that is how i hear him. and how i see him. it isn't just me. everyone here cherishes him.
texas4christ 5 days ago
@ pastorekaren and MsOndine i have a suspicion that there is a sexual angle to the story. i remember reading that danny didn't care for married women . why would he say that? he likely had such an experience. but what if it was within the band? danny is beautiful, and approachable. he would have done anything for those band mates. his last night he hurts himself,stays, thinking he is helpful, not to hurt them. he wouldn't hurt anything but himself. he just can't hurt them
texas4christ 6 days ago
thanks
heutsz73 3 months ago
MsOdine
You bring up yet another great point: I often talk about how the rest of them [aside from Green] did not do their work, & that Danny of course was saddled with doing ALL their work combined as they partied 24/7, but you bring up perhaps a more devistating point: it seems they COULD NOT do much of anything, most of all McVie & bless him Fleetwood too! & after Green left this band LIVED off of Danny's winning formula, still to this day: with more of a sellout twist to the sound:it's Dannys
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
@msOndine
I also honor Danny's hard work and his genius in the INFO section in his BIO...stop by & tell me what you think!! I'm one of 5 other administrators. YOU would be a great one to add if you would like!! Just let me know....I'm the Karen Pastore on fb with all the pictures of Danny in my profile album. Love to hear from you!!
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
@msOndine I LOVE what you have said here! I strive to reveal what Danny did in his career on DANNY KIRWAN the FB COMMUNITY PAGE. Had a troll come on but I took him on & he fled. Sadly if people with mass media PR attention as HUGE CELEBRITIES repeat lies enough times everyone starts to believe it. And for these celebs people love to keep calling Danny names for drinking & for having suffered mental illness, it's bloodsoaked hypocricy & bigotry. I posted 4 posts proving Danny worked the hardest.
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
We need to remember that Danny saved the band when Green left BUT he also saved the first version of the band: Green was going to leave music : unless Danny did the work of all the others combined, while GReen did half the songs & Danny the whole other half: plus take over lead half the time, then most of the time on guitar: Danny was 5 yrs younger at 17, but did this perfectly freeing Green up to write brilliant songs: they outsold the Beatles/Stones combined. if not for Danny it was over.
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
They stressed danny to no end, so he was alone most of the time: HE WAS WORKING while they took drugs/partied: so they could not relax around him : THEY WERE partied like jerks while HE WAS DOING MOST OF THEIR WORK & trying to get them to do THEIR jobs, without complaining: So he was like one with autism, his illness worked on him that way, BUT HE WAS ALONE DOING 75% OF THEIR WORK: they went on to spend millions on rehab for themselves but you say look where the dumped mentally ill one ended up
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
FUZZYGREENDUCK you say look where he ended up !! What a blow !! Danny had real mental illness YET he did 75% of that bands work & never complained about them!! as they partied their asses off, he drank to self medicate! as most people suffering such illness do: he did everything to help them 24/7 but when they stressed his illness to the max THEY grand stand that HE was the problem !! He's a friend doing most of your work: give something back ! Be there for him F your sell out careers!! Be there
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
@pastorekaren9 I fully agree about the rest of the band leaving Danny to his own troubles. I have read Peter Greens life story. And also about Fleetwood Mac. John Mcvie and Mick Fleetwood never put anything into the group musically. Some of the best tunes came from Danny and Peter`s songwriting They were so much in harmony with each other. God bless you Danny
fuzzygreenduck 5 days ago
@fuzzygreenduck Ps------Like Crying is both those, Peter and Danny at there peak. They had a gift together.... wonderfull
fuzzygreenduck 5 days ago
FUZZYGREENDUCK There is more to the story alright: Danny was doing ALL their work! He should have been pissed at THEM: He wrote half thev songs, helped them on their solo projects, taught them to harmanize, created their new sound & showed up 2 hrs early & they 2 hrs late: he worked his ass off as THEY got drunk, partied, took drugs: they had the winning formula from him & dumped him because helping him ment losing some fame/cash: after all he did for them: all that pressure on him !!!!
pastorekaren9 4 months ago
hey FGD - I read Mick Fleetwoods book years ago but is there a book on Peter Green ?
bigbuzman 4 months ago
when danny smiles , he is an angel. he is a bit older now, yet there is a light inside him , and he will smile and laugh again. danny is a gentle giant of popular music, as sweet and wonderful as anyone could wish. it is true , some photos did not capture his smile. why fm abandoned danny-- my guess is that j mcvie may have had homosexual issues concerning danny, and danny did not .
texas4christ 4 months ago
Danny is like a beautiful poem, it never loses it's true beauty no matter how long ago it was written & no matter the condition of the page.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@MsOdine McVie can be jelious of brilliance but he can't steal that either: all he can do is trash & belittle Danny to try & feel better about himself like al bullies: as for women & Danny: Danny alone made their fan base swell: but unlike other women I have never taken notice of his looks back then...Ok I can't write that & keep a straight face, but I tried:))) & notice nothing takes away from Danny's beauty because it really came from inside, from his heart, so losing his looks or aging is OK
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
Yes, I know what you mean:) Physical beauty is only interesting, when it's combined with talent. That he now looks differently than 40 years ago, doesn't make his talent shine any less brighter or make his personality any different. I hope he gets the recognition he deserves in time. He deserves a book, website or documentary of his own, in which is told what he meant for FM as a guitar player/composer/arranger/singer.
MsOndine 5 months ago
@MsOndine I would love to write his biography!
hugebigframe 5 months ago
@hugebigframe,
Excellent idea, especially since you have contact with him:)!
MsOndine 5 months ago
@MsOdine And you brought up McVie & his domestic abuse: which doesn't make him any more attractive. Truth is it's only the beauty on the inside that matters: he has shown little of that. It seemed to bother him that females began to like the band most when Danny joined: to watch Danny. Then Green started to lokk 'cuter' as a 'brother' on stage of Danny, Danny even gave them sex appeal: although Danny was too humble to take pictures & swagger about it. McVie clearly wanted the attention Danny got
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@MsOdine You bring up a strong point I've been hearing repeated by many, inluding some who knew McVie: after all dispite his talent where would he truly be if not for Green and Danny Kirwan?? as for looks I joked on fb that Mcvie is pissed because of the 2 blonds in the band, he WASN'T married to the beautiful one! & Christine is pissed because, that being true, she's still better looking than McVie that she 'had' to sleep with everynight! Jokes aside these 2 are unattractive on the inside too.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
Yeah, he was the typical man in the backtground, you didn't notice. Talented bass player, but no songwriter or singer, who parasited on other people's writing talents. I think that's the big problem with this band. The rhythm section owns the name, while the so-called side people are the songwriters who earn the money for them.
MsOndine 5 months ago
@MsOndine (myself),
'parasited' should be 'parasitized'
Brr, high time they put an edit button on YouTube. Also their text size limit is far too small. This way you never can write what you want to write in one single message:(
MsOndine 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
Fleetwood claims he was Danny's friend. But when he didn't need him anymore, he dumped him flat. But I have a strong suspicion that the real reason he always feels the need to ignore him (in documentaries, his autobiography etc) is probably because McVie forces him to. No idea what really went on there, but I have a strong suspicion their story is very coloured. And there is also Bob Welch. He wanted Danny fired more than a half year before it actually happened...
MsOndine 5 months ago
ps And when they partied he, underage, stayed alone in a hotel room , suffering depression & desperately lonely for a relationship: he was sort of homeless then: he & his mom had lived alone in a basement boiler room abandoned: Green even says when they were partying, he often was out trying to find his father in sweden etc : He never found him. that's why my friend Peter's son, relates to Danny. Peter did similar to him. That's how we became friends. The tragedies in this tale are senseless/sad
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Everyone talks about how Danny should not have drank: when UNLIKE THEM he drank to self medicate as those suffering mental illness in youth , confused/afriad often do: OK he had a temper with Green: Green was 5 yrs older, putting mega pressure on a kid for his advantage: HE took massive amounts of drugs infront of a kid who saw them as older brother/male/father figures, as a kid who was abandoned by his dad: What about THEM! This bashing of Danny by the music press is inhuman & woefully biased.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
And it's great you bring up about that guitar incident being so...fuzzy...the way it's told: all you read in those 'expert' articles is how Danny then criticized their performance, when EVEN McVie in that notorious documentary allows it to be said that Danny COMPLIMENTED them afterwards: & they go on attacking him when he was almost helpless to defend himself given he was homeless & interviewers use to just set him up then make fun of his mental issue as "a drunk" to sell papers/mags: more users
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
I think it's for a big part jealousy from McVie's side. Peter Green hired Danny, not only because of his very striking guitar skills, but also because McVie and Fleetwood were no songwriters at all and Jeremy Spencer only was able to come up with one after the other Elmore James imitation. Also Spencer didn't want or couldn't play duets with Peter. Apart from this, McVie was a rather plain looking guy compared to Danny, a stunning blond hunk, noticed by gals like Janice Joplin:)
MsOndine 5 months ago
Danny even put himself into a facility for extrem anxiety & other mental illnesses but his problem was not well understood back then: this is JUST when compassion from 'friends' who care could have made the difference: Instead everyone kept yelling at Danny & mocking his fears & what we know to be schizophrenia: More & more pressure to help their behinds, to fix their problems, to make them susscessful: & he did all of that for them: what did they do for a friend? Success is all they cared about
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Yes, every time any of them speak of Danny it's that damn incident they go happily on & on about WHY? Danny bashed his guitar so he, terrified of going on stage could not go AND he smashed his own head against the wall creating alot of blood: this was a guy drinking [unlike THEIR drinking & drugs] to self medicate for his illness: he bashed his HEAD interestingly enough: Why would you kick him away when he was in that state THEY helped put him in? They had HIS winning formula: didn't NEED him!!!
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
I would not even want McVie himself treated, as he has treated Danny: NO one should be treated in such an inhuman way: and in my opinion at least, McVie deserves it...but inhumanity is barbaric & no one should be attacked, snuffed, summed up and hated as Danny has was/is. A little human respect is not too much to ask nor give.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
All some genuine hearts are asking is that Danny, a brilliant guitar player, be given equal respect along side Green: this is not too much to ask & has been earned the hard way: Danny will never have the billions the others have, at least, please allow him the respect that Green has: Without Danny almost none of the great Green songs would be: Danny had lived homeless for around 40 yrs: a true soul who lived the Blues: allow him the respect he deserves. No one should be treated like Danny.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
This is almost exactly what I am saying for some time. The Rumours line-up has the money, Green has the critical acclaim, but Danny has neither of them. And that is very unfair. In many books, FM websites, fan documentaires, like Videobiography or the Unbroken Chain he is almost completely ignored, or treated like some hired hand. They only think it's interesting to mention why he was fired.
MsOndine 5 months ago
@MsOndine
Someone flagged your comment as spam, when it clearly is not, there was nothing wrong with what you said, if anything you were too kind to McVie ...there was no reason to attempt to hide your comment with this form of undesereved cencorship. i hope whoever did this would please rethink the action & allow Danny Kirwan to simply have his side told against the PR media control of billionairs: All anyone is asking is for the lies to end & facts allowed: all us little people matter too.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
@pastorekaren9,
Thanks for reminding me. But it's actually daniel213141's response to my reaction (which was far less kind to Mr McVie;)) which was flagged as spam. I am afraid only the YouTube machine is to blame for this. daniel213141 posted the same message several times (clearly by mistake) and this is not allowed by YouTube:)
MsOndine 5 months ago
And McVie has the classless billionair arrogance to sum up the hard working Danny: who worked his ass of for them all those yrs while he mainly just got high, using a FU gesture over one incident, when their stressed out meal-ticket could not handle his severe mental illness anymore all alone, by summing him up as not doing his job : Italian-without-words...Lets just say I think I'm a little better at I talian without words than McVie: I've created a few news ones too...just for him noless:)
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Danny could not complain that Fleetwood and McVie were hard to work with...BECAUSE Danny was doing ALL their work!! What work were they doing? Green would not let Danny join UNLESS he agreed to write half the songs for the new album & Green wrote the other half....the others just partied like jerks 24/7 at that time: They used Danny & even though they, as older male figures were a terrible example to a fatherless kid 5 yrs younger, the 17 yr old did what they asked 100%: yet Mcmeeee hates Danny
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
It was like nirvana & Kurt Cobain, he used to get 75% of the earnings, & Khrist & Dave had to share 25%, sick or what, why did Kurt think he should get double what the other 2 got put together I do not know, singers think they R the band, it takes all members to make it, & if they don't get their own way, they get new drummers ect & leave the 1 they have in the shit, it is not fair man, mark knofler never sold his band mates out, they all got the same, fairs fare like
UKToneKing 5 months ago
Danny was the man on guitar like, shame he lost it, because he had that sparkle only a select few have, U think the band would let him have his rants, it's only words, why bands split I do not know, Curt Cobain use to get 75% of the bands earnings, and the other 2 got to share 25%, now why curt thought he was better than Krist & Dave I do not know, why he thought he should get double over them I do not know, a band should be equal end of like, singers always expect more, they think they R better
UKToneKing 5 months ago
I have uploaded the chords for this song on ultimate guitar:
Just search in google: Although the sun is shining chords.
The E7 is played like a normal E, only add 7
Raskvidh 5 months ago
Danny you deserved so much better than you got~~ If you got what you gave...you'd be the billionaire today...but let them have the praise that Green gets & the money the others have: not all of us are weak enough to listen only to the shameless whinings of billionaires & the worshipped with their millions poured into PR & constant media coverage to smear you & belittle you: & not gve you the vast credit you deserve: On many of Peter's own songs YOU'RE on lead. & on songs they praise Peter for.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
it's time people talked about what Danny did for that band FOR A CHANGE, he deserves to hear this before one dy he dies without ever hearing it: He calls himself a jerk of a kid with small talent who should have been glad to ever have been allowed to be in a band with such great talents....Danny is too humble to defend himself. it's time those who admire his brilliance and his beautiful heart took a stand for the guy. He needs take a backseat to NO one. He earned his guitar wings, the hard way!
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Danny went into the studio, unasked, and helped Christine as she was doing a cover of one of his songs, later he taught her to harmonize, the whole band, THIS is when she was going to quite music to be a housewife...when the documemtary came on FM they agreed with McVie to snub Danny: saying they hired a 3rd guitarist but he drank too much & refused to go onstage 1 night so F him ! THAT is how they summed up all he did for them & his briliance! Danny's not the crazy one!
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
But she laughs at his mental illness, calls him WEIRD for not being able to look her in the eyes due to being too afraid....AFTER he went into the studio when she was going to quit music, and as she did a covr of one of his songs, he helped her without being asked. Danny had been homeless 20 yrs!!! When they all listenee to McVie & LEFT DANNY OUT of the ducumentary on Fleetwood Mac, saying he was a 3rd guitarist who drank too much & refused to go onstage 1 day!! WOW! After all he did for them!!
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
When the band got the winning formula, of the new sound, great songs from Danny they kicked him to the curb: They went on to powerder their noses with Billions & with millions to get great treatment in 8 million dollar planes EACH: while they looked down on danny as they stood on his homeless shoulders , their burned out noses in the air: THEY ALL left him out of the documentary & McVie used a FU gesture to sum up Danny: Christine calls him weird.She owes her career to Danny, helping her yrs ago
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Danny did all this suffering severe mental illness no less AND he did it flawlessly at 17: That band was done BEFORE GREEN could produce his BEST stuff...that DANNY made possible by freeing Green up as Green says & we all know: BECAUSE of this that next album was their greatet & they went on to outsell BOTH the Beatles & Stones combined! Later when Green left Danny saved the band again giving them their winning formula UNDER intense pressure as always & drinking due to mental illness.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Danny did all this suffering severe mental illness no less AND he did it flawlessly at 17: That band was done BEFORE GREEN could produce his BEST stuff...that DANNY made possible by freeing Green up as Green says & we all know: BECAUSE of this that next album was their greatet & they went on to outsell BOTH the Beatles & Stones combined! Later when Green left Danny saved the band again giving them their winning formula UNDER intense pressure as always & drinking due to mental illness.
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Green hired Danny to play INTERCHANGEABLE GUITAR and to TAKE OVER LEAD MOST of the time in the studio & onstage, & to write HALF the songs on the new album. Danny did that at 17! He was not mentored by a greater guitarist: Green even says Danny was better given he was 5 yrs younger than Green no less. He & the others partied WAY too much as Danny did most of the work: Green says Albatros could not be if not for Danny changing it & green was going to quit music if Danny didn't do all this...
pastorekaren9 5 months ago
Nice tribute! He was such a talented and good looking guy!
MsOndine 6 months ago
For those who love Fleetwood Mac , especially their incredible early works...we can only hope Danny feel's better someday and we hear his music again. The sun 'really' will shine in joyous warmth & harmony!
fieldday42 1 year ago 2
We miss you Danny
MorroccoM13 1 year ago
Great tribute to Kirwan.Why the fuck did a band who achieved Mega Commercial success dump Kirwan to live on the streets, while they powdered there nose's with millions in Coke.?I Know the story of Danny throwing a wobbly before a concert but would you ditch your brother for being an ASS for one night & make him homeless.?Would YOU ever forgive them for doing that to YOU.? Thats why Kirwan will never forgive them.He has PG integrity. They became "sellouts". Sick of hearing this mega band moan sad
Kristopful 1 year ago 14
@Kristopful Perhaps the wreaking of the quitar was the excuse that some of the band members needed? The band was having problems with Danny long before he walked off stage. Bob Welch was the only band member who talked to Danny . The rest of the band had just wEARY OF HIM. Ignoring the problem is not the way out. The Stones had the same probelm the Brian Jones. He became a mental burdon on the band with his behavior.
aaronmonkeylover 1 year ago
@Kristopful Apparently he just wasn’t getting along with members of the band (according to a couple of biographies) and his drinking was a problem as well (wasn’t McVie having problems?). So it was a number of things that culminated in the incident where he (I think) smashed his guitar then sat out a gig. Fleetwood was pressured to let him go at that point. But I agree on his musical contribution to the group. Just listen to “Kiln House” and Bare trees.
daniel213141 6 months ago
@daniel213141, I honestly think he was too sensitive a person for this band and they drove him mad. It can't be a coincident that 3 members went insane and one almost (Lindsey Buckingham). Also Bob Welch got very stressed from the behaviour of what he called the King Pins: The McVies and Fleetwood. However, still think it's rather a mystery why John McVie seems to hate Danny Kirwan that much after all these years. There must be something else....
MsOndine 6 months ago
@MsOndine (myself),
I meant: 'coincidence', instead of 'coincident';)
MsOndine 6 months ago
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
daniel213141 6 months ago
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
daniel213141 6 months ago
@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
daniel213141 6 months ago
@daniel213141,
I think he really knows to hide his hate. But if you carefully watch, you see he makes this very disrespectfully gesture with his hand, when he is talking about Danny, the few times he mentioned him. People who worked with McVie, even Fleetwood say, he is a master in mindgames. And it's hard to win from him. Also his drunken moods are written about in detail in Fleetwood autobiography. He once tried to kill Christine while they were married.
MsOndine 5 months ago
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@MsOndine I never knew John McVie felt that way about Danny. I new he (McVie) was pissed that Danny pulled a no show. He mentioned it in a documentary but didn't seem to hold a grudge. Out of all the biographies that I have read, none mentioned McVie or Fleetwood as being difficult to work with. However, I did observe McVie in one documentary lose his temper. I'd have a problem with him if I was a band mate and seen that once to often.
daniel213141 6 months ago
@Kristopful - dude , I have been a hard core Fleetwood mac fan since 1969 - one of the 1st albums i iver owned was thn play on - othhter two were white album and quicksilver messenger service - happy trails - also went to the same HS as Lindsey Buckingham and stevie nicks - no shit - tho they were 6 years ahead - I love danny Kirwin and I think FM was definately the greatest blues band of all times except for Howlin Wolfs band - I DO NOT think you know what the fuck you're talking about
bigbuzman 4 months ago
@bigbuzman I think there is more to Danny leaving the band than some people know about. I have read Peter Greens life story and It mentions that Danny was drifting appart from the others before Mick Fleetwood fired him. From what I have read he was becoming unworkable with the rest of the band. A very talented guitarist in his own right though. As for Danny`s mental state just look where he ended up.
I am not judging Danny though. Just my thoughts on the whole part of what happend back then.
fuzzygreenduck 4 months ago
You sound like him!
Like your soul; you've got it. Thanks..
asthmaticwheeze 1 year ago
g8 cover of a song which suprisingly isn;t covered a lot !!
Whats the chord progression for the verse?
hitts77 1 year ago
Someone can only be helped if he wants to be.....
I think Danny is where he wants to be and best left in peace.....
DirkjeA 1 year ago
I think it seems really weird no other, even or at least "then" mates, wouldnt have found him, and helped him ALOT, 'specially when you fiqure he had a HUGE part in where they went w/FM
zurichstudios 1 year ago 5
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droogless 2 years ago
Danny Kirwan and Peter Green used to spend teir time at a pub in Southend , Essex in the early 70s so did Dr Feelgood
brothersuperace2 2 years ago
@brothersuperace2 ha Dr Feelgood, I just love them, saw them life a couple of times in my hometown, many years ago, boy did they rock......
DirkjeA 1 year ago
Danny Kirwan is the best guitarist The Mac ever had in their ranks...
TheBitterSweetgr 2 years ago 21
@TheBitterSweetgr Yea, Kirwan's good, but what about Peter Green?
TheoGallagher 1 year ago
We're talking'bout two different guitarists-with a different approach to music....Danny's approach is far more lyrical....don't get me wrong-I grew up worshipping Peter Green'n trying to steal his licks...see I'm a guitarist and Green's poster decorates my bedroom wall...but then one day I discovered that ALL the melodic lines I loved in Mac bore Danny's distinctive signature....and I'm not into the blues anymore...I loved their folk-psych tunes more-so...
TheBitterSweetgr 1 year ago
@TheBitterSweetgr totally accurate
vagabondrecon 2 months ago
where is Danny Kirwan?
droogless 2 years ago
hes a recluse.
acidcasual07 2 years ago
Galicia,Spain
buttsyrc8 2 years ago
somwere in england but is a homeles dude sinds the 80tis begous he got drink problems its very sad i wish there was sombody that would get him of the street and bring him back on stage with the old fleetwood mac that would be awesome but i dont think its going to happen:-(
norwayfinland 2 years ago
@droogless:
Danny suffered the same mental issues as Peter when some german 'fans' tabbed them with 'bad acid'. He is in an institution in england and recently he has picked up the guitar but onlys plays in solitude. Very sad for two great blues guitarists.
MorroccoM13 2 years ago 4
@MorroccoM13 - Do you ever see Danny? Does he have any family or have a job? How mentally ill has he become? I'm just curious to hear whatever happened to such a great musician.
shimokita2 1 year ago
luv old fleetwood mac wish i could get the tabs for their earlier albums any suggestions? anyway danny kirwan was always my fav mac guitarist stay cool thx
zeeplanet 2 years ago
He's still alive. Good job on your cover.
reissue 3 years ago
Sadly I heard he has died hope I'm wrong he lived about 1 minute away from me in the 80's was always drunk quite a scary guy ,such a shame , what is it with members of Fleetwood Mac ?.
hobby700 3 years ago
Where the hell did you hear that? Rumours say he had gone to Sweden but ????
Any news, links, pls post up.
Geefor 3 years ago
It's not true. All members of Fleetwood Mac, past and present, are still living.
blueice0170 3 years ago
@hobby700 They had the Blues!
Jenscool 2 years ago 2
its a sad offence that abeautiful and sensitive and so talented person should end up living a life as a homeless alcoholic,after giving so much music,peace n love danny x
seethisthingsanother 3 years ago 4
i really like this cover. This is one of my favourite mac songs. When i play it, i usually either put a 7th in the B chord, or I add on an E (4th fret B string) and B (open B string) while playing a B power chord.
How you play it sounds cool though.
scraperTSB 3 years ago
He was later very similar to Jim Carey !
batalion666 3 years ago
creamed it there
HabanaBoyJDog 3 years ago
you should sing more dk
orny 3 years ago
I agree, and would love to hear you do this song in it's entirety sometime. sweet tribute, thanks for posting
blueice0170 3 years ago
orny is right! Your voice is very similar to Danny's. Really nice cover, but more for the voice, I say.
Too bad you stopped playing just in the part I'm not sure how to do it. =p
EDoors 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment man. haha it was just a ten minute thing i did and i never learnt the rest of the song cause at the time i only had a sample of it hahah.
OTISCHIEF 3 years ago
really good dave
crumpetthis 3 years ago
thanks for posting, gracias
dannykirwan 3 years ago