the wsj-foxnews-rushie ECONOMIC FREEFALL neocons is the obstruction politico of NO ... the manson i mean murdoch family (bod & largest shareholder) are led by foreigners mostly from australia & rupert's wife's born in chicom Xuzhou .. meocons CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH so they lie & lie ... take health care ... the gop says lawsuits must be $ limited ... but take the 48,000 die each year from hospital germ infections in this country ... not a problem say the gop ... join the fox news sponsor boycott
"The doctor shortage is so bad in Canada that physicians are forced to find creative ways to manage the demand. One doctor in Northern Ontario uses a lottery to determine ..."
Nice try. that comes form a right wing blogs and is total fiction. there are no lotteries in Canada for anything medical. Remote areas of the US have just as much of a physician shortage as that. There are plenty of physicians in Canada, but remote, out of the way places are underserved as they are equally underserved in the US.
"A Canadian crisis is growing as the number of family doctors is shrinking. The problem is rural and urban, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Currently, more than 4 million Canadians do not have access to a family doctor and the situation is expected to get worse over the next decade"
that is a lie. When I didnt have insurance I still had a doctor. Funny thing is you act like if you get a bill it is bad and your dumb ass doesn't even count taxes as a bill.
How much less than 21% of your gross pay do you pay for income tax (federal and state/provincial totalled) plus heath costs? The average Canadian (federal+provincial) tax rate is 21% INCLUDING health care.
The average Canadian has 82% of gross pay in their pocket after deductions. The average American has 81.7 fof gross pay in their pocket after deductions.
Less than 81% after deduations? A Canadian has 82% of their gross pay in their pockets after deductions (which include health care) You pay A LOT more than we do then.
Deductions are taxes, Canada Pension/Social security, Unemploymet insurance etc. Deductions from gross pay does not include RENT or MORTGAGE. Are you totally dense?
If you have an income tax rate 10% lower than the average Canadian it must be 11% then, because the income tax rate for the average Canadian salary ($65,000) is 21%.
Result: A two-earner family with two children making $50,000 a year in Canada would pay 15.2 per cent in taxes and deductions. An American family of four making a comparable $40,000 in U.S. dollars would pay 15.9 per cent.
LOL If you're moving to Canada from the UK, Europe or USA, you're likely to find Canadian wages are a bit lower than you are used to. This is often compensated for by lower house prices in Canada
At the $75,000 Canadian level, an American advantage is starting to emerge, but hardly big enough to make a move to New York for economic reasons alone.
So 15% on the first $40,726 + 22% of the next $24,274=+ 11449,18/65000=17.6% is the 2009 rate. used to be 21% but is down to 17.6% this taxation year.
Linda and Wayne Timson have learned life in the U.S. isn't necessarily cheaper. The couple moved to California with their two children in 1995. Wayne is a customer service engineer for the Canadian company Nortel, which transferred him to its American operations at a salary higher than he and his wife had earned together in Canada. She estimates it at just under $60,000 (U.S.)
So far, she's not permitted to work in the U.S. and says life in Manteca, a hi-tech community 110 kilometres from San Francisco, "is very expensive.'' Even with a higher family income, and somewhat lower taxes, the pair are hit with paying 12 per cent of their health care plan, or about $70 a month (Nortel picks up the rest), and with hidden fees they hadn't been warned about (such as the $10,000 in fees before purchasing a home).
"The grass is not greener on the other side,'' says Muriel Hurst, a registered nurse from Toronto who is paid about $27,500 (U.S.) at the hospital in Bob Dole's hometown of Russell, Kansas. She's making less than she did in Toronto, and while taxes and rents are lower in her rural community, she finds herself having to pay half of her medical insurance plan costs, and must pay malpractice insurance.
The average Canadian has 82% of gross pay in their pocket after deductions. The average American has 81.7 fof gross pay in their pocket after deductions. Deductiions are what's directly taken from your cheque- taxes, social security, health insurance, unemployment insurance etc
Families . . . living in the United States are not necessarily better off in terms of disposable income, than their Canadian counterparts,'' they concluded. "Indeed, roughly half of Canadian families had disposable incomes in 1995 that gave them higher purchasing power than otherwise comparable U.S. families.''
Canada does not have socialized medicine. That is a give away right there that they have no idea what they're talking about. Canada has a single payer system, not socialized medicine, and the two are mutually exclusive.
"One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick -- those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory"
"Even if participation is compulsory in the sense that everyone has to pay a health insurance premium (through general or specific taxes), some individuals will be willing to pay a second time to purchase private insurance and obtain private care. If you want to avoid this double system, you do as in Canada: you legislate a monopoly for the public health insurance system. "
"This means that although complementary insurance (providing private or semi-private hospital rooms, ambulance services, etc.) is available on the market, sale of private insurance covering the basic insured services is forbidden by law. Even if a Canadian wants to purchase basic private insurance besides the public coverage, he cannot find a private company legally allowed to satisfy his demand"
In this respect, the Canadian system is more socialized than in many other countries. In the United Kingdom, for instance, one can buy private health insurance even if government insurance is compulsory
In socialized medicine, hospitals are owned and run by the government. Canadian hospitals are non profit, independently owned and run and have non government boards. In socialized medicine, physicians are civil servants. In Canada, physicians are in private practice. Canada has a single payer system, not socialized medicine.
It is run on tax dollars. No matter how you cut it it is socialistic. Just like an ass hat who says fascism, communism and socialism are on totally different ends of the spectrum. All you have to do from that standpoint is ask where they feel the private sector ends and the public sector starts and you usually find out they are a statist hack. Anarchy is on the other end of the spectrum fascism and socialism can fit in many different levels on up to communism on up to purist form.
National Socialist German Workers Party were the Nazi's and they implimented more socialism than independant freedoms by a wide margin. When you are stuck in a regulatory mindset you are a statist
Naziism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. Maybe you're both right wing and left wing at the same time, but most people are not schizophrenic as you are.
nope you would fail a reality course..Nazi's group think was born out of socialism. Leftists use it to demonize when the facts are based on structure and independant freedoms the nazi's and Stalin's Russia used force against "enemies from within" and both tried to expand its empires. Both counties controlled manufacturing
No Canadian would buy private insurance, so why would there ever be any. We do not want an American style insurance-run system with medical decisions made by insurance company clerks, not physicians, likje you have in the US. We want physicians to help us with our medical decisions, not insurance company clerks who do it with American style insurance run health care.
Easy to hide costs within the governmental bureaucracy...I know the American government dips into SS to get things done. It has in the past and I am sure its not the only government that doesnt miss spend money!
between biden , barney frank, nancy pelosi, obama none of them could run a kool aide stand much less an economy...none of them ran a businesss and it shows everyday
Your belief is that a health care system is only any good if an insurance company bureaucrat is standing between you and your physician and overrulling the decisions your physician makes. That's what US insurance-run health care is, and one reason it's inferior to our physician run health caree system.
bureaucrat is usually one who works within government so you misuse the word quite often. Judging fon how the demoncrooks took the health care bill with mandates it is easy to see who is in their back pocket...forcing everyone to buy insurance
Since your healthcare is free why does your perscription drug program look as bad as it does? Seems a large percentage get denide or have to pay alot out pocket since everything else is free.
Pictured above is the actual note received by Larry Smith stating that Labcorp would not perform a blood test on him until he made good on his $7 debt. Smiths wife notes that this was not a pointless or optional blood test, but rather was being sought because Smith had suffered an intense heart attack that made him sweat profusely and changed the color of his skin.
I have bever been denied reembursement for prescription drugs and I know of no one who had been. This is not like the US. People in Canada are never denied anything medical
A particularly disheartening example is Robin Steinwand, a 53 year old victim of multiple sclerosis. Steinwand had been taking the prescription drug Copaxone, which cost $1,900 per month but which she had received for only a $20 co-pay since being diagnosed in 2000. But one day, her insurance company raised the price, leading to an unexpected (and now ongoing) bill of $325 or $3,900 per year
You tell me that people on US Medicare are denied care on a reglar basis. Which is it, Mediacer is good, or Medicare is bad. Based on what YOU said about US Medicare, he would have died sooner in the US..
??? so you are saying being put on a waiting list of well over a year is real coverage? Just saying my grandmother had tripple bypass surgery when she was 82 she wasnt put on a waiting list!
There was no previous indication except inherited hypertension at age 45, which is the age mine started too as it did with all my cousins on the Acadian side of the family.
Most every canadian hospital I have seen looks like a secondrate hospital from the 50's...hell the band aid shop in town can perform all major heart surgeries except transplants LOL and its not very big at all.
You haven't seen many hospitals in Canada. Toronato, Montreal and Halifax (and probably other cities) have world class cardiac surgeons and cutting edge electronic equipment.
John Sullivan, who did Mom's bypass is one of the best in Canada. Talat Chugtai, in Toronto is one of the best thoracic surgeons in the world. Tim Brown, my otolarygologist is one of the best in Canada, just to name 3.
You have this waiting list obsession, while waiting lists do not exist for anything remortely serious. How many time must you be told. No Canadian knows of anyone on a waiting list.
There is no waiting list for people with serious conditions. Only for people with elective surgery, and that's no longer, and often sooner, than many Americans wait.
No that is based on your lie on 40% denied when infact medicare denies more than the insurance you hate..nice try old timer but you are a little slow and or a little trying to have it both ways
The numbers of medical claims denied comes from compiling monthly reports filed with the state. And those state reports show PacifiCare denies 39.6 percent of its claims, CIGNA 32.7 percent, Health Net 30 percent, Kaiser Permanente 28.3 percent, Blue Cross 27.9 percent, and Aetna 6.4 percent. A co-president of the California Nurses Association told ABC7 it still comes to more than 20 percent of medical claims being denied.
A compelling criticism of private insurers is how they sometimes deny coverage even to people in good health without chronic or pre-existing problems. Juliann Delozier, a 32 year old mother of two, someone who in every obvious respect, is in perfect health, nevertheless reports being repeatedly denied coverage for, of all things, history of infertility.
He was slapped with a $10,000 hospital bill during the 60 day probationary period before benefits kick in. Clinton had suffered a burst blood vessel in his abdomen requiring emergency vascular surgery, but nevertheless reports leaving the hospital 45 minutes after waking up even though he was barely able to walk and in intense pain, because [he] couldnt afford to miss a single day of work
In Canada, someone making $65,000 a year has a 21% tax rate. Candian taxes are exactly the same as in the US except over $125,000 Americans pay 35%, while Canadians only pay 29%. Americans pay 6% more tax over $125,000. Under that the tax rate is exactly the same.
Arlingtons Robert W. Banning, a chronic myelogenous leukemia victim who was prescribed Sprycel by his doctor. The twice-daily tablet inhibits the spread of cancer cells without the grueling ordeal of chemotherapy, but a 90 day supply costs a staggering $13,500, of which Bannings AARP insurance required him personally to pay over $4,000.
Unfortunately, she had previously sought care at the same clinic while uninsured and had a large unpaid balance. The clinic wouldnt see her again unless she paid $100 per visit — which she didnt have.
Eventually, she sought care at a hospital 30 miles away. By then, however, it was too late. Both she and the baby died
Orlandos Julie Bass, a victim of metastatic breast cancer. She says that her HMO has designated the drug Tykerb under Tier 4, putting Bass on the hook for a third of the cost which runs to $3,480 for a 21 day supply 150 tablets.
A disturbing case in point is Monique White, a Tennessee woman who had to quit her job after being diagnosed with lupus and consequently lost her health insurance coverage. and heatth care.
Ok. Insurance company clerks run the US health care system and make your medical decisions, overruling your physician while rationing your health care. Better?
Nope, but Soros funds all things left world wide. Multi multi multi billionaire who used to rat out his fellow Jews to the Nazi's in WWII. He did a pretty shameless interview on 60 minutes where he compared it to business and he was unappolagetic.
"Scheduling physicians into the workflow of multiple health care sites is an administrative nightmare because a large percentage of the institutions use outdated or even paper-based systems."
LOL Kucinich is a little pile of greasey crap. I really would hope you would do better I found a whole bunch more! So far your best argument is an anti capitalism stance while totally bastardizing what the system will weed out on its own. Truely amazing that a man with a masters degree can not do anything but mouth piece left wing propaganda.
This is another drop in a sea of evidence that the uninsured fare much worse in their health in the United States," said senior author Dr. Atul Gawande, a Harvard surgeon and medical journalist.
The single biggest cause of hospital death was septicemia, an overwhelming infection of the blood, which killed 15 percent of patients, the team at the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality found.
Well if you want to get rid of problems in the US health care system, get rid of insurance companies. US insurance companies and lack of insurance kill more people than murder and auto accidents combined.
LOL you blame insurance companies blindly without a hint of the governmental regulation behind the costs. You also have a piss poor account of the depression Clinton signed us into between the expanding of the Community Reinvestment Act, signing in Deregulation and for some reason didn't want and corrective oversite to it and Commodity Futures Modernization Act.
Insurance companies gouge you all by themselves totally without government help. Single payer systems have 7% to 8% overhead (you get 92 or 93 cents of health care/$), while US insurance companies have 41% overhead (you get 59 cents of health care/$)
No, I realize that Canadian health care is far better than insurance-run health care is for an equivalent American, that's all, and insurance companies in the US add nothing and only take from Americans and the US health care system. A real Democrat like Anthony Weiner says that.
Yes, insurance companies ration care by denial and recission with kills thousands each year in addition to the 45,000 Americans who die from not having access to health care.
I haven't set foot in the US since 1992 and would never go to the US for inferior health care to what I have here. You like your inferior health care system with insurance company bureaucrats making your medical decisions, but we Canadians would never stand for the interference between us and our physicians that Americans want,.
Bureaucrats are clerks and exewcutives who work in offices and are out of touch wih the real world. "Bureau" is french for "office". Iln'ya pas de difference entre un bureaucrat du governement et un bureacrat d'affaires.
In a universal single payer system, like we have, everyone has equal access to health care, as opposed to your system where the rich get care and the middle class and the lower class get little to no health care.
Your system is shit. UYou bitch like a little girl about polls show our country likes its system as well as you like yours. Funny thing is you wont catch me on or in a Canadian political / healthcare discussion which leaves you little excuse to troll ours.
Shona Holmes is a fraud. She made a commercial where she said she had a brain tumour and was told she would have to wait 6 months for surgery in Canada. On the stand,. under oath, she had to admit it was only 6 week, not six months and what she actually had was a non life threatening benign cyst, not a brain tumour ta all. She also paid 97,000 to have surgery at the Mayo Clinic and had to wait 6 weks for that.
the wsj-foxnews-rushie ECONOMIC FREEFALL neocons is the obstruction politico of NO ... the manson i mean murdoch family (bod & largest shareholder) are led by foreigners mostly from australia & rupert's wife's born in chicom Xuzhou .. meocons CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH so they lie & lie ... take health care ... the gop says lawsuits must be $ limited ... but take the 48,000 die each year from hospital germ infections in this country ... not a problem say the gop ... join the fox news sponsor boycott
AgnesBojaxhiu2000 1 year ago
Canada's Healthcare System is Bad Medicine
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"The doctor shortage is so bad in Canada that physicians are forced to find creative ways to manage the demand. One doctor in Northern Ontario uses a lottery to determine ..."
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Nice try. that comes form a right wing blogs and is total fiction. there are no lotteries in Canada for anything medical. Remote areas of the US have just as much of a physician shortage as that. There are plenty of physicians in Canada, but remote, out of the way places are underserved as they are equally underserved in the US.
murphyj87 2 years ago
To get a family doctor? LOL sureeeeeeee
"A Canadian crisis is growing as the number of family doctors is shrinking. The problem is rural and urban, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Currently, more than 4 million Canadians do not have access to a family doctor and the situation is expected to get worse over the next decade"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
More Canadians have family physicians than there are Americans who have family physicians.
murphyj87 2 years ago
How about the 125,000,000 Americans who can't even see any physician ever, let alone have a regular family physician?
murphyj87 2 years ago
that is a lie. When I didnt have insurance I still had a doctor. Funny thing is you act like if you get a bill it is bad and your dumb ass doesn't even count taxes as a bill.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
How much less than 21% of your gross pay do you pay for income tax (federal and state/provincial totalled) plus heath costs? The average Canadian (federal+provincial) tax rate is 21% INCLUDING health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Sureeeeeeee
tubaboy71 2 years ago
For someone making $65,000 a year the federal/provincial tax rate averages 21%.
murphyj87 2 years ago
The average Canadian has 82% of gross pay in their pocket after deductions. The average American has 81.7 fof gross pay in their pocket after deductions.
murphyj87 2 years ago
I have far less than 81% so do you live in a shoe box?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Less than 81% after deduations? A Canadian has 82% of their gross pay in their pockets after deductions (which include health care) You pay A LOT more than we do then.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Deductions are taxes, Canada Pension/Social security, Unemploymet insurance etc. Deductions from gross pay does not include RENT or MORTGAGE. Are you totally dense?
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOLproperty tax? are you dense? Oh wait you live in your mom's basement right?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I live in an apartment, so I have no property tax.
murphyj87 2 years ago
My mother died at age 82, in 1997, but when I owned my own house, before I retired, I paid about $130 a month for property taxes.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Property tax is not a deduction from your paycheque.
murphyj87 2 years ago
no you still pay it dip shit! you go around not paying your taxes? heerrrdurr
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Not before you cash the cheque you don't...withheld by the government.....dip shit.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Using your idiot rationale the you shouldnt complain about our healthcare system
tubaboy71 2 years ago
If you have an income tax rate 10% lower than the average Canadian it must be 11% then, because the income tax rate for the average Canadian salary ($65,000) is 21%.
murphyj87 2 years ago
not on any chart I am looking at LOL YOU MAKE 6,500? lol
tubaboy71 2 years ago
$65,000 is 21%
murphyj87 2 years ago
Canada single 31.6% family of 4 21.5
United States single 29.1% fam of 4 11.9%
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Based on average salery
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Result: A two-earner family with two children making $50,000 a year in Canada would pay 15.2 per cent in taxes and deductions. An American family of four making a comparable $40,000 in U.S. dollars would pay 15.9 per cent.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL If you're moving to Canada from the UK, Europe or USA, you're likely to find Canadian wages are a bit lower than you are used to. This is often compensated for by lower house prices in Canada
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Lower because $1 CDN= 0.9324 USD.
murphyj87 2 years ago
I pay way over 15.9 time it is said and done I pay near 50% thing is I am looking at the CRA documentation as we speak.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
The last year that I worked, before I retired (2006), on $65,000 (after the tax refund), I ended up having paid 21% in federal+provincial taxes.
murphyj87 2 years ago
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murphyj87 2 years ago
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CRA rates (on CRA website) says:
* 15% on the first $40,726 of taxable income, +
* 22% on the next $40,726 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $40,726 and $81,452),
+ * 26% on the next $44,812 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $81,452 and $126,264),
+ * 29% of taxable income over $126,264.
murphyj87 2 years ago
At the $75,000 Canadian level, an American advantage is starting to emerge, but hardly big enough to make a move to New York for economic reasons alone.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL NY Cali and NJ are the 3 worst states as far as taxes go you are talking 11-8% more taxes at least vs other states
tubaboy71 2 years ago
So 15% on the first $40,726 + 22% of the next $24,274=+ 11449,18/65000=17.6% is the 2009 rate. used to be 21% but is down to 17.6% this taxation year.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Do you pay less than 17.6% in income tax? That's the 2009 tax rate on $65,000.That includes heath care too, of course.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Linda and Wayne Timson have learned life in the U.S. isn't necessarily cheaper. The couple moved to California with their two children in 1995. Wayne is a customer service engineer for the Canadian company Nortel, which transferred him to its American operations at a salary higher than he and his wife had earned together in Canada. She estimates it at just under $60,000 (U.S.)
murphyj87 2 years ago
Cali is the second or third worst state to live in
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Do you pay less than 17.6% in income tax? That's the 2009 tax rate on $65,000.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Canada=* 29% of taxable income over $126,264.
US=* 35% of taxable income over $126,264.
murphyj87 2 years ago
So far, she's not permitted to work in the U.S. and says life in Manteca, a hi-tech community 110 kilometres from San Francisco, "is very expensive.'' Even with a higher family income, and somewhat lower taxes, the pair are hit with paying 12 per cent of their health care plan, or about $70 a month (Nortel picks up the rest), and with hidden fees they hadn't been warned about (such as the $10,000 in fees before purchasing a home).
murphyj87 2 years ago
"The grass is not greener on the other side,'' says Muriel Hurst, a registered nurse from Toronto who is paid about $27,500 (U.S.) at the hospital in Bob Dole's hometown of Russell, Kansas. She's making less than she did in Toronto, and while taxes and rents are lower in her rural community, she finds herself having to pay half of her medical insurance plan costs, and must pay malpractice insurance.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Canada's CPP and EI premiums are lower than U.S. social security deductions.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Acording to what I see Canaduh has a 10% higher tax rate on a family of 4 and your sales taxes are literially double of mine
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Your income tax rate is 11% then?
murphyj87 2 years ago
your average tax is nowhere near 21% LOL It is actually higher than USA
tubaboy71 2 years ago
It is exactly 21%, That's what I've been telling you. You Americans pay way more in taxes than we do and ours includes health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
The income tax rate (federal+provincial) for a Canadian making $65,000 a year is 21%.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Of course health insurance for you is included in deductions. Mine is included in taxes.
murphyj87 2 years ago
The average Canadian has 82% of gross pay in their pocket after deductions. The average American has 81.7 fof gross pay in their pocket after deductions. Deductiions are what's directly taken from your cheque- taxes, social security, health insurance, unemployment insurance etc
murphyj87 2 years ago
Families . . . living in the United States are not necessarily better off in terms of disposable income, than their Canadian counterparts,'' they concluded. "Indeed, roughly half of Canadian families had disposable incomes in 1995 that gave them higher purchasing power than otherwise comparable U.S. families.''
murphyj87 2 years ago
"Socialized Medicine: The Canadian Experience"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Canada does not have socialized medicine. That is a give away right there that they have no idea what they're talking about. Canada has a single payer system, not socialized medicine, and the two are mutually exclusive.
murphyj87 2 years ago
"One immediate problem with public health care is with the funding. Those usually attracted to such a "free" system are the poor and the sick -- those least able to pay. A political solution is to force everybody to enroll in the system, which amounts to redistributing income towards participants with higher health risks or lower income. This is why the Canadian system is universal and compulsory"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"Even if participation is compulsory in the sense that everyone has to pay a health insurance premium (through general or specific taxes), some individuals will be willing to pay a second time to purchase private insurance and obtain private care. If you want to avoid this double system, you do as in Canada: you legislate a monopoly for the public health insurance system. "
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"This means that although complementary insurance (providing private or semi-private hospital rooms, ambulance services, etc.) is available on the market, sale of private insurance covering the basic insured services is forbidden by law. Even if a Canadian wants to purchase basic private insurance besides the public coverage, he cannot find a private company legally allowed to satisfy his demand"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
In this respect, the Canadian system is more socialized than in many other countries. In the United Kingdom, for instance, one can buy private health insurance even if government insurance is compulsory
tubaboy71 2 years ago
In socialized medicine, hospitals are owned and run by the government. Canadian hospitals are non profit, independently owned and run and have non government boards. In socialized medicine, physicians are civil servants. In Canada, physicians are in private practice. Canada has a single payer system, not socialized medicine.
murphyj87 2 years ago
It is run on tax dollars. No matter how you cut it it is socialistic. Just like an ass hat who says fascism, communism and socialism are on totally different ends of the spectrum. All you have to do from that standpoint is ask where they feel the private sector ends and the public sector starts and you usually find out they are a statist hack. Anarchy is on the other end of the spectrum fascism and socialism can fit in many different levels on up to communism on up to purist form.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Fascism, communism and socialism ARE totally different concepts only the uninformed think they're the same thing.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Not really they are all group think..all cause pain and suffering.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Boy are you way off base. the only pain Socialism causes is to the profits of companies that gouge the public.
murphyj87 2 years ago
National Socialist German Workers Party were the Nazi's and they implimented more socialism than independant freedoms by a wide margin. When you are stuck in a regulatory mindset you are a statist
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Naziism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. Maybe you're both right wing and left wing at the same time, but most people are not schizophrenic as you are.
murphyj87 2 years ago
nope you would fail a reality course..Nazi's group think was born out of socialism. Leftists use it to demonize when the facts are based on structure and independant freedoms the nazi's and Stalin's Russia used force against "enemies from within" and both tried to expand its empires. Both counties controlled manufacturing
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Oh, like insurance companies control physicians. Oh ,ok, the US inusrance-run and rationed health care system is Naziism then. Ok, I understand.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL god you are an idifuck
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No Canadian would buy private insurance, so why would there ever be any. We do not want an American style insurance-run system with medical decisions made by insurance company clerks, not physicians, likje you have in the US. We want physicians to help us with our medical decisions, not insurance company clerks who do it with American style insurance run health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Easy to hide costs within the governmental bureaucracy...I know the American government dips into SS to get things done. It has in the past and I am sure its not the only government that doesnt miss spend money!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
That's a false premise. Canadian government is more transparent and more responsible to the people that the US government is.
murphyj87 2 years ago
" Canadian Doctors Go To USA For Better Incomes & Better Training"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"Canada's Doctor Shortage Worsening"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
A national report released yesterday showed that Canada's doctor shortage is improving for the first time in 20 years.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL drastic improvement?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
between biden , barney frank, nancy pelosi, obama none of them could run a kool aide stand much less an economy...none of them ran a businesss and it shows everyday
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Your belief is that a health care system is only any good if an insurance company bureaucrat is standing between you and your physician and overrulling the decisions your physician makes. That's what US insurance-run health care is, and one reason it's inferior to our physician run health caree system.
murphyj87 2 years ago
bureaucrat is usually one who works within government so you misuse the word quite often. Judging fon how the demoncrooks took the health care bill with mandates it is easy to see who is in their back pocket...forcing everyone to buy insurance
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, there are bureaucrats in business too. But I'lll call them insurance company CLERKS who make your medical decisions if you prefer.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Since your healthcare is free why does your perscription drug program look as bad as it does? Seems a large percentage get denide or have to pay alot out pocket since everything else is free.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Our provincial drug program pays 80% of my prescription drugs and we pay 40% of what you pay for exactly the same drugs..
murphyj87 2 years ago
unless the drug is blacklisted LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
All necessary drugs are available in Canada. Drugs of no value are not available here, but I'm sure they sell you placebos for $300 in the US.
murphyj87 2 years ago
That your death panel deems necessary..that was one of the 8 articles you refused to comment on.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
actually was more
tubaboy71 2 years ago
There are no death panels in Canada. we don't have US insurance companies here. Only US insurance companies ae death panels.
murphyj87 2 years ago
That is a lie murph! get with it captain rationing! answer what i posted that you said didnt exist!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
There is no rationing in Canada, however, American insurance companies ration your health care to pad their bottom line.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Pictured above is the actual note received by Larry Smith stating that Labcorp would not perform a blood test on him until he made good on his $7 debt. Smiths wife notes that this was not a pointless or optional blood test, but rather was being sought because Smith had suffered an intense heart attack that made him sweat profusely and changed the color of his skin.
murphyj87 2 years ago
What is funny is you act like that is all great and everything but my country subsidizes you to get our drugs that cheap.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I have bever been denied reembursement for prescription drugs and I know of no one who had been. This is not like the US. People in Canada are never denied anything medical
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL sureeeee even though there are ten thousand things saying otherwise LOL you are a bad liar
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, you have faulty information. No Canadian is denied health care or the necessary drugs for their condition.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL then answer to the articles i posted then please
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You haven't answered the ones I posted either.
murphyj87 2 years ago
I can find 100 American ones for every Canadian one.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Sure murph you are also a liar!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
A particularly disheartening example is Robin Steinwand, a 53 year old victim of multiple sclerosis. Steinwand had been taking the prescription drug Copaxone, which cost $1,900 per month but which she had received for only a $20 co-pay since being diagnosed in 2000. But one day, her insurance company raised the price, leading to an unexpected (and now ongoing) bill of $325 or $3,900 per year
murphyj87 2 years ago
My employees grand father died on a waiting list..he was pushed back 3 times.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
One, as do thousands in the US denied health care because they're uninsured.
murphyj87 2 years ago
No he wouldn't be placed on a waiting list and he would have had medicare.......
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You tell me that people on US Medicare are denied care on a reglar basis. Which is it, Mediacer is good, or Medicare is bad. Based on what YOU said about US Medicare, he would have died sooner in the US..
murphyj87 2 years ago
??? so you are saying being put on a waiting list of well over a year is real coverage? Just saying my grandmother had tripple bypass surgery when she was 82 she wasnt put on a waiting list!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
My mother had bypass surgery at age 72 the next morning after being admitted too here.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Sureeeeee how long was she on the list prior?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
My mother was not on a waiting list. She had massive chest pain at 9:00 one night, was admitted thorough ER and had her bypass next morning.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL ahhh so there was no prior diagnosis to heart trouble?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, none. No diagnosis of heart trouble. A blood clot blocked the artery 98%. At age 72, bypass about 8 hours after admission.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Ahh so they didnt even know she was likely to get a blood clot?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
There was no previous indication except inherited hypertension at age 45, which is the age mine started too as it did with all my cousins on the Acadian side of the family.
murphyj87 2 years ago
There is no waiting list fir serious conditions.
murphyj87 2 years ago
yuhhhhhh as long as the machines actually work to do the diagnosis LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Most hospitals in Canada have equipment that is at the cutting edge of technology.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Most every canadian hospital I have seen looks like a secondrate hospital from the 50's...hell the band aid shop in town can perform all major heart surgeries except transplants LOL and its not very big at all.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You haven't seen many hospitals in Canada. Toronato, Montreal and Halifax (and probably other cities) have world class cardiac surgeons and cutting edge electronic equipment.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Actually I have been to Toronto and to a hospital there and I still hold to my original statement.
"Good and bad news for rosiglitazone in diabetes study"
OuCH! 4 out of 10 score?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
A lot of Americans with diabetes can't even afford to see a physician to be diagnosed and regulated.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Whatever village or small town you visited is no indicative of most hospitals in Canada.
murphyj87 2 years ago
John Sullivan, who did Mom's bypass is one of the best in Canada. Talat Chugtai, in Toronto is one of the best thoracic surgeons in the world. Tim Brown, my otolarygologist is one of the best in Canada, just to name 3.
murphyj87 2 years ago
You have this waiting list obsession, while waiting lists do not exist for anything remortely serious. How many time must you be told. No Canadian knows of anyone on a waiting list.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL you are all of canada!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
In 58 years I have talked to thousands of Canadians (and lived in 3 provinces) and no one could think of anyone on a waiting list.
murphyj87 2 years ago
you asked them all?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
There is no waiting list for people with serious conditions. Only for people with elective surgery, and that's no longer, and often sooner, than many Americans wait.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOL murf the astro turf
tubaboy71 2 years ago
so murf are you part of a one world health org?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
PacifiCare denies 39.6 percent of its claims...
murphyj87 2 years ago
that is false that was from an nurses union pushing for universal health care
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Based on what you say. On Medicare he would have been denied ANY care in the US. Just believing what you said. :-).
murphyj87 2 years ago
No that is based on your lie on 40% denied when infact medicare denies more than the insurance you hate..nice try old timer but you are a little slow and or a little trying to have it both ways
tubaboy71 2 years ago
The numbers of medical claims denied comes from compiling monthly reports filed with the state. And those state reports show PacifiCare denies 39.6 percent of its claims, CIGNA 32.7 percent, Health Net 30 percent, Kaiser Permanente 28.3 percent, Blue Cross 27.9 percent, and Aetna 6.4 percent. A co-president of the California Nurses Association told ABC7 it still comes to more than 20 percent of medical claims being denied.
murphyj87 2 years ago
A compelling criticism of private insurers is how they sometimes deny coverage even to people in good health without chronic or pre-existing problems. Juliann Delozier, a 32 year old mother of two, someone who in every obvious respect, is in perfect health, nevertheless reports being repeatedly denied coverage for, of all things, history of infertility.
murphyj87 2 years ago
He was slapped with a $10,000 hospital bill during the 60 day probationary period before benefits kick in. Clinton had suffered a burst blood vessel in his abdomen requiring emergency vascular surgery, but nevertheless reports leaving the hospital 45 minutes after waking up even though he was barely able to walk and in intense pain, because [he] couldnt afford to miss a single day of work
murphyj87 2 years ago
as opposed to 15% more a year in taxes?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
In Canada, someone making $65,000 a year has a 21% tax rate. Candian taxes are exactly the same as in the US except over $125,000 Americans pay 35%, while Canadians only pay 29%. Americans pay 6% more tax over $125,000. Under that the tax rate is exactly the same.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Arlingtons Robert W. Banning, a chronic myelogenous leukemia victim who was prescribed Sprycel by his doctor. The twice-daily tablet inhibits the spread of cancer cells without the grueling ordeal of chemotherapy, but a 90 day supply costs a staggering $13,500, of which Bannings AARP insurance required him personally to pay over $4,000.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Unfortunately, she had previously sought care at the same clinic while uninsured and had a large unpaid balance. The clinic wouldnt see her again unless she paid $100 per visit — which she didnt have.
Eventually, she sought care at a hospital 30 miles away. By then, however, it was too late. Both she and the baby died
murphyj87 2 years ago
sounds canadian!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Those are all American ones.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Orlandos Julie Bass, a victim of metastatic breast cancer. She says that her HMO has designated the drug Tykerb under Tier 4, putting Bass on the hook for a third of the cost which runs to $3,480 for a 21 day supply 150 tablets.
murphyj87 2 years ago
A disturbing case in point is Monique White, a Tennessee woman who had to quit her job after being diagnosed with lupus and consequently lost her health insurance coverage. and heatth care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Ok. Insurance company clerks run the US health care system and make your medical decisions, overruling your physician while rationing your health care. Better?
murphyj87 2 years ago
murph do you like George Soros too? LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Don't have much of an idea who Geotge Soros is other than just recognizing the name. Do you know who K.C Irving was?
murphyj87 2 years ago
Nope, but Soros funds all things left world wide. Multi multi multi billionaire who used to rat out his fellow Jews to the Nazi's in WWII. He did a pretty shameless interview on 60 minutes where he compared it to business and he was unappolagetic.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"Scheduling physicians into the workflow of multiple health care sites is an administrative nightmare because a large percentage of the institutions use outdated or even paper-based systems."
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"A Canadian Doctor Describes How Socialized Medicine Doesn't Work"
July 26, 2007
By David Gratzer
tubaboy71 2 years ago
David Gratzer is a proven liar. Dennis Kucinich tore him apart at the House health care hearings.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL Kucinich is a little pile of greasey crap. I really would hope you would do better I found a whole bunch more! So far your best argument is an anti capitalism stance while totally bastardizing what the system will weed out on its own. Truely amazing that a man with a masters degree can not do anything but mouth piece left wing propaganda.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
So you're mouth piece for right wing propaganda, and have no real knowledge of Canadian health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Another Alberta Health Care Nightmare
tubaboy71 2 years ago
This is another drop in a sea of evidence that the uninsured fare much worse in their health in the United States," said senior author Dr. Atul Gawande, a Harvard surgeon and medical journalist.
murphyj87 2 years ago
The single biggest cause of hospital death was septicemia, an overwhelming infection of the blood, which killed 15 percent of patients, the team at the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality found.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Septcemia is 2% of the problem it is in American hospitals.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Septicemia is 2% of the problem in Canadian hospitals that it is in American hospitals.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Im a democrat! doesn't that just piss your statist ass off?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You're like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and Mary Landreau, Republicans in Democrats' clothing.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Nope just believe in the free market and sick of government causing the problems. Thats a fact!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Well if you want to get rid of problems in the US health care system, get rid of insurance companies. US insurance companies and lack of insurance kill more people than murder and auto accidents combined.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL you blame insurance companies blindly without a hint of the governmental regulation behind the costs. You also have a piss poor account of the depression Clinton signed us into between the expanding of the Community Reinvestment Act, signing in Deregulation and for some reason didn't want and corrective oversite to it and Commodity Futures Modernization Act.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Insurance companies gouge you all by themselves totally without government help. Single payer systems have 7% to 8% overhead (you get 92 or 93 cents of health care/$), while US insurance companies have 41% overhead (you get 59 cents of health care/$)
murphyj87 2 years ago
Damn you are quite the little commie arent you?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, I realize that Canadian health care is far better than insurance-run health care is for an equivalent American, that's all, and insurance companies in the US add nothing and only take from Americans and the US health care system. A real Democrat like Anthony Weiner says that.
murphyj87 2 years ago
There are nomore real democrats just statists elitists that never held a job in their life.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You're as much of a Democrat as Joe Lieberman, and about as much of a hypocrite.
murphyj87 2 years ago
LOL He is only about 50% democrat and 50% statist POS
tubaboy71 2 years ago
insurance kills? LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Yes, insurance companies ration care by denial and recission with kills thousands each year in addition to the 45,000 Americans who die from not having access to health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Get out of my country and stay out you fat fuck
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I haven't set foot in the US since 1992 and would never go to the US for inferior health care to what I have here. You like your inferior health care system with insurance company bureaucrats making your medical decisions, but we Canadians would never stand for the interference between us and our physicians that Americans want,.
murphyj87 2 years ago
you use the word bureaucrats a lot in the wrong sense for someone who went to college.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Bureaucrats are clerks and exewcutives who work in offices and are out of touch wih the real world. "Bureau" is french for "office". Iln'ya pas de difference entre un bureaucrat du governement et un bureacrat d'affaires.
murphyj87 2 years ago
" the modern bureaucrat may be found "in the field" as well as in an office" LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Being Democrat doesn't stop you from spouting right wing propaganda, obviously.
murphyj87 2 years ago
You have a masters degree and don't know what a subsidy is and what it does to the rest of the market!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
In a single payer system there is no need of subsidies.
murphyj87 2 years ago
In a universal single payer system, like we have, everyone has equal access to health care, as opposed to your system where the rich get care and the middle class and the lower class get little to no health care.
murphyj87 2 years ago
Your system is shit. UYou bitch like a little girl about polls show our country likes its system as well as you like yours. Funny thing is you wont catch me on or in a Canadian political / healthcare discussion which leaves you little excuse to troll ours.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"Shona's Health Care Nightmare"
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Shona Holmes is a fraud. She made a commercial where she said she had a brain tumour and was told she would have to wait 6 months for surgery in Canada. On the stand,. under oath, she had to admit it was only 6 week, not six months and what she actually had was a non life threatening benign cyst, not a brain tumour ta all. She also paid 97,000 to have surgery at the Mayo Clinic and had to wait 6 weks for that.
murphyj87 2 years ago