Sir: What you speak of is not a necessary part of control and endurance. Flexor/Extensors of the forearm develop with increased reputations daily over YEARS, not with lactic acid which is what produces fatigue. If you choose to do this "BURN". Suggestion, do as many reps as you can until you experience that slight burning, and then give your muscle(s) a break and listen to your body. Burning sensations are a warning, and if you ignore it, you could be risking an injury to muscles or tendons.
first time i've seen the valsalva maneuver used for a single stroke roll. You know the two girls one cup video reactions? I'd like to do that with weckl, colaita and steve smith watching this.
Looks like open to closed to open with dynamics to me. Nice 5th grade lesson. Way to inflate your own ego with out really teaching shit. If anyone is wondering how to get chops it is very simple. You start out with remedial or painstaking slow tempos, and increase the tempo gradually. Way past whatever you "think" is unattainable. There are no limits.
you people are idiots. he tells everyone to stretch and warmup therefore the muscles will not be destroyed and lives will be ruined. so everyone stop complaining
and did you even listen?!?!? BODYBUILDERS WILL TEAR MUSCLES TO BUILD MORE, this is the exact same thing this guy is doing. it makes sense and its what youve been doing your whole drumming career, you practice tear muscles, and rebuild them. this just FOCUSES on doing that instead of slowly doing this by practicing a song.
@howycwap No you are generally wrong. Practice over years tones muscle, not tears muscle. Body Builders tears muscle and then their own bodies repairs the torn cells and they replenish proteins and use muscle enhancement formulas, normally. Attempting this same approach in a career in drumming, Carpal Tunnel and Tendonitis may very easily cut a career short...this is a very dangerous technique and never endorsed by one single author such as Chapin, Moore, or N.A.R.D. etc. that I know of.
That cant' feel good. If I may suggest...practice with brushes. If I may suggest again...practice on a pillow. Once you have done one, or both...put the sticks back in your hands and work on allowing the sticks to rebound. I worry you will be damaging your wrists. Drumming should never hurt, dude...please be careful!
This exercise is useless and can be potentially dangerous to your arm muscles. Tip to build speed. Sit down and play a single stroke roll at a slightly faster speed that you would actually roll. Then just practice according to the metronome. Once you're getting quite comfortable with the tempo. Increase and repeat the exercise. Not only would this practice technique increase your speed, it would also allow u to play at diff speeds.:)
@Drumzmer555 what you just said is almost identical to what he said only takes alot longer. this man has just worked on this technique so long that he has gotten used to such a fast speed. everyone is getting caught at the speed and are freaking out that to gain muscles you have to go that speed. no obviously you go higher than your capabilities until you fatigue. same principle as proffessional bodybuilding
this is an awesome video.. i always wondered why my singles sounded like shit and doubted my practicing techniques.. thanks to this video i now kno wt am doing is right..
you should almost never hold your breath while drumming, no oxygen no muscle movement! At the end of this video he lets out a big sigh of air and that is because he is holding his breath. The burn is from an oxygen dificiency to the muscle. He is still good but if he learned how to breathe properly he would be awesome! Drumcorps videos are where its at as far as rudimental and fundamental hand technique is concerned. peace!
Bad advice. Practice singles with a metronome or drum machine and play relaxed and even everyday and you will get faster. It takes many years of playing to achieve even pro sounding singles. Just a lot of hours. ALWAYS PRACTICE RELAXED. HOW YOU PRACTICE IS HOW YOU WILL PLAY. NO SHORTCUTS. I WISH THERE WAS.
this is fun looool its seems stupid but i will try because its simple than pratice every day half hour more loool so lets try this stupid shit xDDDDDDDDDD
You all are idiots, I've been playing for a decade in all sorts of percussion. Ask any instructor, how you're supposed to increase your speed on anything, they'll say "start slow, then go as fast as you can while maintaining evenness." Y'all need to shut up haha this is some actual good advice. Just because it's slightly out of context and y'all are too stupid to figure out the correct context doesn't mean this is crap.
Wow that was fucking stupid. You just gave every beginner drummer who watched this the first stage of carpal. Don't tell kids to go faster they will fucking do it and be "burnt" by the time they realize what a fucking stupid exercise it was.
I think this is the first video I have disliked on youtube. It's just a bad lesson. Don't make it a habit it clinch up when you play fast. If you are playing any kind of fast or heavy music and clinch up like that you are going to wear yourself out and put on a bad show. JorahDumond was 100% correct when he said speed comes with control. Just keep practicing and pay attention to your form.
I think the Jojo Mayer exercise of putting your forearms together and clapping your hands is a good burner and help develop the muscles needed to build endurance. I think he needs to follow his own and advice and breathe, to be out of breath after that just shows how much he was tensing up. I don't see this lesson to be a good route to go.
.. it is really what the body builders call the principe of burn out.. ( of a muscle )
You go as far as you can. At one point as you say the muscle will give up.. But that is point, that gets every ( periodical ) practicing a bit further = you move your speed limit everytime somewhere further. ( will of course be an individual thing..) But great, true, when some methods get boring.. really great to make the palette of exercises bigger. THANX FOR POSTING!!!!
You people are dumbasses. This guy is an expert on rudiments. This excercise is a shortcut to building the muscles in your arms. It's okay for you losers to deliberately disobey the drumming legends by trying to figure out a quick way to gain speed using your fingers, but when someone shows a method that slightly strays from traditional practice, everyone shoots it down. Yeah, Buddy Rich used his fingers, but only to take advantage of rebound like anybody else.
@TheDustyspears He didn't use nothing but fingers, or any push pull BS. If you don't believe me, look up Dick Cully. He's a kickass drummer and a close friend and student of Buddy Rich. What I'm trying to say is fuck finger technique - develop your arm muscles properly and stop whining about not being lightning fast. And quit dissing professionals. I use this technique to build my endurance, and I promise, my technique is not perfect, but it's not hidious either.
@nonodog1 If I'm dumb, you're on the edge of mental retardation. Finger technique is NOT neccesary, and anyone who says it is, is no drummer. You can reach any speed you want with just wrist motion. Most drummers today just don't have the will power to do that, so they work their wrists for a bit, and then shortcut it with their fingers. I don't have a problem with guys who do this, but I will never do it myself. If that makes me dumb, then yeah, I guess I'm stupid.
It's called APPLIED SCIENCE. Natural, simple physics comes into play with drums and percussion, more than any other instrument. Most people just don't take the time to sit and figure out how to make their muscles, and the drum, work for them correctly. The slower you play, the more you should use your larger muscle groupings, and the faster, vise versa. Arms to wrists to fingers. Same goes for the legs and feet in my opinion...
@Marz1ns4n1ty When I marched I watched a blue devils snare player in the lot playing his solo. He looked like he was going to explode!!! To be honest I almost threw up...
For anybody watching this video. Please do not take any of what this man has said as truth, this is a horrible lesson that will only cause you pain and damage your muscles in the long run.
@FunkmasterF18 Your wrong, actually. This exercise doesn't help you get faster, as he stated in this video, but it does in fact help you with your endurance. If you do feel pain and damage in your muscles, you are not doing the exercise correctly.
Ha, ha, haa! This was delightful. I showed it to my cat and he became world renown on the drums. I showed it to my wife and now she can do single chop back rubs with burning intensity. This should be shown around the world 24.7.365. You will see drummers jamming and snares blazing with smoke coming out of them. Burn, baby burn! Disco inferno! Come on now, everyone do the burn! OUCH! AHH... OOH! AHH... YAHH...WAHH... Patta Fla Fla... Ska... Jazz... Funk...
People, just sit down and practice. Do some rudiment work with both your hands and feet, especially flams and paraddidles with the variants of those rudiments. Do it for about a half hour a day with marching sticks or swords or something heavier than the sticks you use. Throw on some boots or leg weights as well for the feet.
This exercise doesn't do anything but teach you how to hit like a monkey, just work on control with your hands and speed will come naturally (with dynamics!).
There is some truth in this.... i used a similar technique for pedal speed. He left out some key stuff though. First breathing is important to ensure that the fatigue is due to you muscles being over work not because there is not enough oxygen in your blood stream. do a 23o bp single stroke roll than check you breathing. Is it speratic and shallow in some point and less often and deeper in other. the key is to take slow even breaths no matter what you playing. The bennefits are instant.
@emaculate_ forgive the speeling typo's my kid was cryin so i was rushing.
Second-find a speed that is comfortable to you. If you are just starting i recomend 180 bpm. No start playing a a single stroke roll up to speed and continue to due so. just before it starts to burn stop... relaxe. Now start again. Once the burn comes this time try to play through it until the burn has reached its max.... When it feels like the pain has peaked and cant hurt any worse. Now stop and relax
@emaculate Now that you have relaxed begin again. This time when the burn comes continue to play as long as you can. eventualy you will fell like stoping this is fine. just keep repeating the process. Relax then go for it again. try to get a little further every time. THE RESULSTS!!!!! ONce you have done this exercise many times in you regement The burn will dissapear. Some times you can actualy fell it happen. Your playing its burning then BOOM the pain fades instantly.
His rolls sound like a woodpecker on a date. 2:15
tofuComputer 16 hours ago
just get Tommy Igoe hands for a lifetime dvd. Its all you need.
dereklindzon 1 day ago
Sir: What you speak of is not a necessary part of control and endurance. Flexor/Extensors of the forearm develop with increased reputations daily over YEARS, not with lactic acid which is what produces fatigue. If you choose to do this "BURN". Suggestion, do as many reps as you can until you experience that slight burning, and then give your muscle(s) a break and listen to your body. Burning sensations are a warning, and if you ignore it, you could be risking an injury to muscles or tendons.
hardhitter0421 6 days ago
God! What a fat pussy! I can go faster and longer and I've only been playing for a little over a year! And I can keep time!
TheGDrummer95 1 week ago
first time i've seen the valsalva maneuver used for a single stroke roll. You know the two girls one cup video reactions? I'd like to do that with weckl, colaita and steve smith watching this.
deadboy600 1 week ago
lol the most workout the dude's got ever
rancidfx999 1 week ago
I'd like to see Mike Mangini bitch slap this guy with a metronome.
Freethoughttheatre 2 weeks ago
I can't believe Evans actually put their logo on this! I'm glad I don't use their products; I'd hate to be associated with this nonsense.
lonnieljones 2 weeks ago
Looks like open to closed to open with dynamics to me. Nice 5th grade lesson. Way to inflate your own ego with out really teaching shit. If anyone is wondering how to get chops it is very simple. You start out with remedial or painstaking slow tempos, and increase the tempo gradually. Way past whatever you "think" is unattainable. There are no limits.
astawick 2 weeks ago
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astawick 2 weeks ago
How is this any different then any other way to practice singles? I guess I was doing my singles practice incorrect
jsbattlenet 2 weeks ago
you people are idiots. he tells everyone to stretch and warmup therefore the muscles will not be destroyed and lives will be ruined. so everyone stop complaining
and did you even listen?!?!? BODYBUILDERS WILL TEAR MUSCLES TO BUILD MORE, this is the exact same thing this guy is doing. it makes sense and its what youve been doing your whole drumming career, you practice tear muscles, and rebuild them. this just FOCUSES on doing that instead of slowly doing this by practicing a song.
howycwap 3 weeks ago 3
@howycwap I AGREE :-)
walkover1 1 week ago
@howycwap No you are generally wrong. Practice over years tones muscle, not tears muscle. Body Builders tears muscle and then their own bodies repairs the torn cells and they replenish proteins and use muscle enhancement formulas, normally. Attempting this same approach in a career in drumming, Carpal Tunnel and Tendonitis may very easily cut a career short...this is a very dangerous technique and never endorsed by one single author such as Chapin, Moore, or N.A.R.D. etc. that I know of.
hardhitter0421 6 days ago
That cant' feel good. If I may suggest...practice with brushes. If I may suggest again...practice on a pillow. Once you have done one, or both...put the sticks back in your hands and work on allowing the sticks to rebound. I worry you will be damaging your wrists. Drumming should never hurt, dude...please be careful!
DrummaMan75 3 weeks ago
"And try to remember to keep breathing?" wtf, this guy is nuts!
metamopho 4 weeks ago
Tendinitis on the waaay...
CANIMALEDETTI 1 month ago
"aways has to be nice and relaxed... " and the exercise is called Burn
what a great teacher
"remember to keep on breathing too" ... brilliant
arturspecial 1 month ago
Not liking the look of this at all
jonescrusher1 1 month ago
This exercise is useless and can be potentially dangerous to your arm muscles. Tip to build speed. Sit down and play a single stroke roll at a slightly faster speed that you would actually roll. Then just practice according to the metronome. Once you're getting quite comfortable with the tempo. Increase and repeat the exercise. Not only would this practice technique increase your speed, it would also allow u to play at diff speeds.:)
Drumzmer555 1 month ago
@Drumzmer555
could not agree more..
DrummaMan75 3 weeks ago
@Drumzmer555 what you just said is almost identical to what he said only takes alot longer. this man has just worked on this technique so long that he has gotten used to such a fast speed. everyone is getting caught at the speed and are freaking out that to gain muscles you have to go that speed. no obviously you go higher than your capabilities until you fatigue. same principle as proffessional bodybuilding
howycwap 3 weeks ago
@howycwap okay if thats what you think. Go ahead and try it out. Let me know if it works in a few months
Drumzmer555 3 weeks ago
@Drumzmer555 i will. oh wait its already been working and ive been doing it for about a week now.
howycwap 3 weeks ago
@howycwap sure no prob. peace:)
Drumzmer555 3 weeks ago
Less talking, more action ;)
wordlife4real 1 month ago
This is weird.
renardvert 1 month ago
his singles are so slow.
weyhwang 1 month ago
people are going to hurt themselves doing this
julianisdope 1 month ago
Interesting breathing technique: Holding your breath until you gasp?
I don't think so.
As for playing evenly... That must be on a different vid.
jaschaheifetz 1 month ago
this is an awesome video.. i always wondered why my singles sounded like shit and doubted my practicing techniques.. thanks to this video i now kno wt am doing is right..
nonemmenonnonem 1 month ago
Please take this down, Evans. This really isn't good.
Paullove89 1 month ago
any one else thinks he looks like a t-rex at 0:36?
samcp12 1 month ago
Okay don't do what this guy does at all, he had a nice little introduction and i thought he would atually demonstrate something useful but no.
Waste0paper 1 month ago
WTF this
sampansz 2 months ago
I don't like this
wrthdrumer 2 months ago
Do that execise every day for 30 min.....In one year u will definately suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome
EWQWEQQD 2 months ago
Sorry, but drumming should never, EVER be this tense.
bergerdrum 2 months ago
that man doesn't look like a who know what workng out is
assbagandro 2 months ago
Fuckwit
l6o6z6 2 months ago
you should almost never hold your breath while drumming, no oxygen no muscle movement! At the end of this video he lets out a big sigh of air and that is because he is holding his breath. The burn is from an oxygen dificiency to the muscle. He is still good but if he learned how to breathe properly he would be awesome! Drumcorps videos are where its at as far as rudimental and fundamental hand technique is concerned. peace!
natedogg4702 2 months ago
Bad advice. Practice singles with a metronome or drum machine and play relaxed and even everyday and you will get faster. It takes many years of playing to achieve even pro sounding singles. Just a lot of hours. ALWAYS PRACTICE RELAXED. HOW YOU PRACTICE IS HOW YOU WILL PLAY. NO SHORTCUTS. I WISH THERE WAS.
331paradiddle 2 months ago
I have one word: NOT. finger control is the key.
drrhythm42 2 months ago
fuck off
jjnomjqg 2 months ago
this is fun looool its seems stupid but i will try because its simple than pratice every day half hour more loool so lets try this stupid shit xDDDDDDDDDD
druggged 2 months ago
@druggged ok lol this suks hard... i aint get tired so fast and it doesnt seems to endurace anything loool
druggged 2 months ago
I totally flagged this video! It's the worst exercise video I've seen yet!
drrythm69 2 months ago
wtf????
noiseinrome 2 months ago
is this a joke?
marieto1 2 months ago
horrible technique good god. This is bad karma; to teach one must be a master first...
DanDjembe 2 months ago
Good speech, totally wrong acting= insane or fool
mellilore 2 months ago
dude needs to practice what he preaches....
blastbeatingjerk666 2 months ago
You all are idiots, I've been playing for a decade in all sorts of percussion. Ask any instructor, how you're supposed to increase your speed on anything, they'll say "start slow, then go as fast as you can while maintaining evenness." Y'all need to shut up haha this is some actual good advice. Just because it's slightly out of context and y'all are too stupid to figure out the correct context doesn't mean this is crap.
cstockfo99 2 months ago
GAY
RobbieMcDougall 2 months ago
Learn the Moeller. 'Nuff said.
tofuComputer 3 months ago
Wow that was fucking stupid. You just gave every beginner drummer who watched this the first stage of carpal. Don't tell kids to go faster they will fucking do it and be "burnt" by the time they realize what a fucking stupid exercise it was.
deaddrum100 3 months ago
I think this is the first video I have disliked on youtube. It's just a bad lesson. Don't make it a habit it clinch up when you play fast. If you are playing any kind of fast or heavy music and clinch up like that you are going to wear yourself out and put on a bad show. JorahDumond was 100% correct when he said speed comes with control. Just keep practicing and pay attention to your form.
ThePrancingLioness 3 months ago
so basically, you go as fast as you can then run out of effort and stop? GENIUS
atticus0011 3 months ago
Fast and strong but what is it?
TheShunasd 3 months ago
whatever .... the burn .... more like the turd
sweetfly66 3 months ago
I think I've already commented on this video before, but goddamn this guy is an idiot.
jerkass411 3 months ago
"It could be very detrimental to your forearm."
Then don't do it.
colourfulwithaU 3 months ago 6
that's.. bullshit :D
Tscharoy 3 months ago
Guys, don't do this.
EduardoTucciDrums 3 months ago
or use a metronome
thehardcoremetalist 3 months ago
wow, he's a 2-pump chump. lasted all 20 seconds?
0509killer 3 months ago
I think the Jojo Mayer exercise of putting your forearms together and clapping your hands is a good burner and help develop the muscles needed to build endurance. I think he needs to follow his own and advice and breathe, to be out of breath after that just shows how much he was tensing up. I don't see this lesson to be a good route to go.
InHumanForm555 3 months ago
.. it is really what the body builders call the principe of burn out.. ( of a muscle )
You go as far as you can. At one point as you say the muscle will give up.. But that is point, that gets every ( periodical ) practicing a bit further = you move your speed limit everytime somewhere further. ( will of course be an individual thing..) But great, true, when some methods get boring.. really great to make the palette of exercises bigger. THANX FOR POSTING!!!!
Radekiss 3 months ago
slow singles
0XxLEGENDxX0 3 months ago
been doing this for a while... no damage yet!
autodidactbreather 3 months ago
so basically he's teaching us how to tear our muscles .... and hence this is a good idea on how to build our muscles... lol...right...
this exercise shouldnt be practiced in my opinion..
aag1608 3 months ago
don t try this at home...or anywhere else....Youtube plz.....remove it now!!!!
Orstaman 4 months ago
You people are dumbasses. This guy is an expert on rudiments. This excercise is a shortcut to building the muscles in your arms. It's okay for you losers to deliberately disobey the drumming legends by trying to figure out a quick way to gain speed using your fingers, but when someone shows a method that slightly strays from traditional practice, everyone shoots it down. Yeah, Buddy Rich used his fingers, but only to take advantage of rebound like anybody else.
TheDustyspears 4 months ago
@TheDustyspears He didn't use nothing but fingers, or any push pull BS. If you don't believe me, look up Dick Cully. He's a kickass drummer and a close friend and student of Buddy Rich. What I'm trying to say is fuck finger technique - develop your arm muscles properly and stop whining about not being lightning fast. And quit dissing professionals. I use this technique to build my endurance, and I promise, my technique is not perfect, but it's not hidious either.
TheDustyspears 4 months ago
@TheDustyspears "didn't use nothing but fingers" so he used fingers? "fuck finger technique" ?? haha nice one. you are dumb.Very very dumb.
nonodog1 1 month ago
@nonodog1 If I'm dumb, you're on the edge of mental retardation. Finger technique is NOT neccesary, and anyone who says it is, is no drummer. You can reach any speed you want with just wrist motion. Most drummers today just don't have the will power to do that, so they work their wrists for a bit, and then shortcut it with their fingers. I don't have a problem with guys who do this, but I will never do it myself. If that makes me dumb, then yeah, I guess I'm stupid.
TheDustyspears 1 month ago
i bet that throne smells pretty bad right now.
nlassell 4 months ago
you freakin kill people with this exercise !!!!
pacey9025 5 months ago
It's called APPLIED SCIENCE. Natural, simple physics comes into play with drums and percussion, more than any other instrument. Most people just don't take the time to sit and figure out how to make their muscles, and the drum, work for them correctly. The slower you play, the more you should use your larger muscle groupings, and the faster, vise versa. Arms to wrists to fingers. Same goes for the legs and feet in my opinion...
McQuads87 5 months ago
@McQuads87 In your opinion? Is that science? No it's your opinion...nice try.
nonodog1 1 month ago
So THAT'S how the blue devils do it....
Marz1ns4n1ty 6 months ago
@Marz1ns4n1ty When I marched I watched a blue devils snare player in the lot playing his solo. He looked like he was going to explode!!! To be honest I almost threw up...
McQuads87 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I think everyone else calls this concept "chopping out!"
Drumrock361 6 months ago
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Drumrock361 6 months ago
wow. that was just a bad exercise
metaldruma911 9 months ago
For anybody watching this video. Please do not take any of what this man has said as truth, this is a horrible lesson that will only cause you pain and damage your muscles in the long run.
FunkmasterF18 1 year ago
@FunkmasterF18 Your wrong, actually. This exercise doesn't help you get faster, as he stated in this video, but it does in fact help you with your endurance. If you do feel pain and damage in your muscles, you are not doing the exercise correctly.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 11 months ago
...Free Drum Lessons... It's obvious. I won't pay for that....
pedrumb 1 year ago
JoeJacari 1 year ago
People, just sit down and practice. Do some rudiment work with both your hands and feet, especially flams and paraddidles with the variants of those rudiments. Do it for about a half hour a day with marching sticks or swords or something heavier than the sticks you use. Throw on some boots or leg weights as well for the feet.
This exercise doesn't do anything but teach you how to hit like a monkey, just work on control with your hands and speed will come naturally (with dynamics!).
JorahDumond 1 year ago 22
2:43 minutes of crap
ddave1234 1 year ago
Oh... my... fucking... god... >.<'
TrunJun420 1 year ago
There is some truth in this.... i used a similar technique for pedal speed. He left out some key stuff though. First breathing is important to ensure that the fatigue is due to you muscles being over work not because there is not enough oxygen in your blood stream. do a 23o bp single stroke roll than check you breathing. Is it speratic and shallow in some point and less often and deeper in other. the key is to take slow even breaths no matter what you playing. The bennefits are instant.
emaculate 1 year ago
@emaculate_ forgive the speeling typo's my kid was cryin so i was rushing.
Second-find a speed that is comfortable to you. If you are just starting i recomend 180 bpm. No start playing a a single stroke roll up to speed and continue to due so. just before it starts to burn stop... relaxe. Now start again. Once the burn comes this time try to play through it until the burn has reached its max.... When it feels like the pain has peaked and cant hurt any worse. Now stop and relax
emaculate 1 year ago
@emaculate Now that you have relaxed begin again. This time when the burn comes continue to play as long as you can. eventualy you will fell like stoping this is fine. just keep repeating the process. Relax then go for it again. try to get a little further every time. THE RESULSTS!!!!! ONce you have done this exercise many times in you regement The burn will dissapear. Some times you can actualy fell it happen. Your playing its burning then BOOM the pain fades instantly.
emaculate 1 year ago
@emaculate ONce you can paly the speed with no burn move to 200bpm and so on and so on. i recomend you only do this exercise twice a week.
READ 1st COMMENT ON BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY UP. I HOPE THIS HELPS. IT IS A BRUTAL WORK OUT BUT YOUR A BRUTAL DRUMMER RIGHT?!
emaculate 1 year ago
but...this make no sense....the arthur ewing of the drums....
vopnafjodur 1 year ago
try to remember to keep breathing......
im curious if he forgot one day and passed out or something.
Squelypissesonyaface 1 year ago 2
hahaha what a fucking idiot
tbwannab 1 year ago 3
he just crapped himself
crazydrummer452 1 year ago 28
@crazydrummer452 hence the burn (in your ass)
biohead66 1 year ago
just learn Moller Technique you will be able to fly with a lot less effort.
Masterg715 1 year ago
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rolandgreco 1 year ago
if it works for him then great, but i dont really agree..also i didnt see any "great" speed that would be a benefit of such a brutal exercise.
billpeart 2 years ago
This is masochism.
Another Evans sponsored idiot.
dizzypeanut 2 years ago