@Dozzer The only folding was at the bottom to make the two halves. It is not layered.
Mainly this was a challenge to figure out how I could make a sword with a material that I couldn't weld or use the ususal fasteners like I would in steel. Thanks!
@11kyzak11 Your arguments are true I've seen steel getting blown to bits by a bomb but Titanium didn't so yeah Titanium could cut Steel in half with minimum trouble.
@laharl69cirno It's not metal. It's modeling clay. Hot metal works the same way as modeling clay except I don't need heat or heavy hammer blows to work the clay. It's a good demonstration material.
@DynaDuctINC my comment?...yes it is, titanium looses its edge very quickly its a cool project he made and could do some damage but it wouldn't be that clean either.
@xxTeutonicKnightxx well titanium dosent hold and edge thats why its bad for swords im sure armor would be fine but it would take a hell of a long time to make
@xxTeutonicKnightxx It would be great for armor as it has elasticity and springs back to shape and would take blows well without denting but I would guess would be too flexible for swords and edged weapons and as stated above, wouldn't hold an edge.
@bronzonia42 Yes you proably can, but it would not hold an edge long. Pure titanium is very strong but it does not hold an edge very well because ist a bit softer then iron
umm... you made the handle too small in proportion to the blade.
I made the same mistake when I tried a steel sword.
I cheated and used a grinder and welded it together once i had the basic shape, and used that twisted handle method with a goats head on the pommel. BUT it was too thin and wouldnt support the blade right when you fought with it.
@KiloSierraAlpha No titanium just doesn't have the hardness that carbon steel has in order for a blade to retain an edge you need the HRC (Rockwell's "C" Hardness Scale) to be at least in the 50s. With titanium alloy you'll be lucky if you can treat it to mid 40s. That's why titanium blades are only for decoration but you can get titanium coated blades that have titanium carbide, titanium nitride, or titanium-carbo-nitride micro-welded on the blade to prevent rust to the steel blade.
@KiloSierraAlpha The titanium I was referring to was titanium alloy (Ti 6Al-4V). Most of the time when someone talks about titanium they're talking about an alloy because pure titanium is a very soft metal.
Guys titanium is only stronger than steel in weight to strength ratio. Steel is always stronger than titanium in a size to strength ratio. For example if you had two identical swords right next to each other but the only difference was that one sword was made of steel and the other made of titanium then the steel one would be much stronger but much heavier.
@badpanda84 Well if you want to get technical then that is right because pure titanium is an extremely soft metal compared to any grade steel, but it was pretty obvious that I was talking about high carbon sword steel compared to titanium alloy since I was talking about swords.
@badpanda84 An average high carbon steel sword when hardened to HRC 60 has tensile yield strength of 1,500 units/cross-sectional area, it also weighs 7,800 units per volume. A sword made of alpha-titanium alloy can only be hardened to HRC 40 so it has a yield strength of 850 units/cross-sectional-area and it weighs 4,500 units per volume. So the titanium sword is about half as strong but almost twice as light as the steel sword.
@CARDxTRICKxSTER Titanium is only stronger on a weight to strength ratio-otherwise, steel is superior. The only use titanium has in any fixed blade is for artistic appeal due to it being able to be anodized rather by heat or chemically. Its corrosion resistance is also a plus for art pieces. (or possibly for fittings, although for fittings I'd prefer something more durable like a austenitic grade of stainless)
okay that makes sense. also its better for me, because a friend of mine is the manager at a D.H. Griffeth (or Griffith? Griffen? im not sure) scrap metal plant, and its a whole lot easier for me to get steel than titanium. he lets me get some small pieces from in the scrapyard for forging
@jmabee Not so. There are hundreds of forging shops that forge titanium in the air. See my other video of "Forged Titanium Knife" and you'll see me doing it. It's the welding of it that requires the special atmostphere, not forging.
@drgnfly4g You can heat and hammer it in air. but it's melting point is also past it's oxidation point. You can even weld it at normal pressure, but you must use an inert gas, like nitrogen to keep it from oxidizing.
Awesome... I have a titanium alloy curved blade katana(G-1000 from global gear direct), a titanium coated straight blade katana(T-1000 from a Chinese manufacturer) and a T10 tungsten alloy blade coated in tungsten(also from a Chinese manufacturer). Also quite a few "regular" carbon steel blades, all purchased from ebay. I would love to acquire more more "exotic" metal blades for my collection, if you or anyone else can make any extra titanium blades for sale please put them up for sale somewhere
that is a really good practice medium.... i thought of using clay to practice with or a putty but didnt know if it would work. Good idea man and awsome sword!
The melting point for Titanium is 3000 F!!!!! There is no person on earth who could withstand that heat!!! The Melting point for Steel is half that of Titanium
@kraigthorne Not totally correct. Titanium melts at 3040 F, steel melts at 2600 - 2800 F. We do burn both of them in the forge, but the point is not to burn it. If I was standing in the forge surounded by that heat I couldn't stand it, but on the end of a bar, that's a different matter. See my youtube video on forging a titanium knife and you'll see how it works. BTW, as it states in the video, this is a piece of clay I'm forging to show how it was made.
@grimslider Where did you ever hear that??? Please watch my other video of "forged titianium knife" and see if you still think the same way. I use pure ti and alloys and none of them will break. I don't know of any way to add anything to titanium in the forge.
@drgnfly4g i know that though things are fragile on impact like steel the harden steel breaks if u hit it but i dont know much about Ti so guessed that it worked the same way i though u used alloy btw preety nice job
@grimslider This video was done as a promotion for an auction and to show how this ti sword was constructed so a lot wasn't able to be shown. That's why I did the second video on the titanium knife so you could see the ti being forge, to see how tough it is and the test I performed afterwards to show it's strength. Actually the steel shouldn't break either, it should bend, if heat treated right.
@drgnfly4g yeah i saw it pretty tough stuff btw does it cut like iron or no i have some some steel knifes and after some time they are useless and my grandpa has a handmade iron knife that its easy to sharpen it and it cuts pretty good
@grimslider your welcome and i have a knife sharpening kit for about 20 bucks but the old school stone set and ceramic blocks in my oppinnion are much better and you can add to it wtvr you like plus stones are good for axes, swords and all that too, check out katana sharpening techniques on here thers a lotta good info and shop around a bit probly ask some farmers were they get ther stuff 2 a buddy of mine just uses rocks he pics up for his sieves, and knives
@drgnfly4g I was just referring to the fools who were so harmed by just the sheer sight of this beautiful titanium sword that they had to hit the dislike button.
My thanks for you sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. Cheers!
Terminology is very important here. The same way a 2X4 in lumber is not a full 2" thick and certainly not a full 4" wide, is the same reason there is so much confusion flying around. Vague terminology. When referring to metals, unless you are a scientist, geologist, or you own the mine, remember this: Pure metals are not commonly used in constructing ANYTHING you or I will come into contact with. They simply are not. So it isnt Titanium, it is Titanium ALLOY. It isnt Aluminum, ALUMINUM ALLOY. !
By weak I refer to the tensile strength of the pure metal, far inferior to tempered steel. There are titanium alloys with similar tensile strength to steel, but cannot hold a sharp enough edge, making them unfit for actual use(i meant this toward some random poster who thought titanium swords would be the shiznit for cutting stuff up)
@drgnfly4g, Thanks for that, you've really inspred me to get back to it. I'd be very interested in the Anvil but I'm in Adelaide and would be very afraid of the postage!! :))
@1BustedMyth Go to a metal scrap yard and pick ur self up a solid square or round stock of steel. I payed $70.00 for a 142 pound of square stock steel and i use that thing every day and the good thing about this piece is that its not like most anvils today made out of that crap cast iron that cracks. A good anvil thats actually not made from cast iron and hardened forged steel weighing 140 pounds will cost more then 2,500 today and thats used. $70.00 v.s. 2,500 i could use that extra cash
That blade looks like mostly pure titanium. Pretty and good for show, but structurally weak and unfit for a sword meant to be practiced, used, or sparred with. It can't really hold a good edge, and a quality tempered steel blade would cut it in half.
@halfassedfart It's really interesting to read you armchair "warriors" talk down to an experienced, and highly skilled bladesmith. If you had ANY real world experience, you would know how ignorant and ridiculous you sound. Higher end metals and alloys are very dificult to work with. Even if you don't like his style, you should at least respect his skill as a tradesman.
@davepen16 Learn to read, mate, I *was* addressing his style. I can't see what else 'pinched from a sword and sorcery' novel could mean. There's just no comparison between this and an actual sword.
Swords fit for actual use continue to be made out of steel because it's the best material available. Titanium might work very well for shorter blades, but there's a lot more to swords than that.
@halfassedfart If it cuts, has a long blade, and was forged....it IS an actual sword. I can read
And tell me, since you're an expert...what is the best material? Have you ever actually forged a blade? Any real experience? I don't want to offend, I just think one should have real world experience before talking like an expert. Escpecially when you're refering to a master's work.
@davepen16 Errr, mate, this doesn't require expert knowledge. Steel has the mechanical properties necessary for sword blades. With a good heat treat, it can be sharpened with a fairly hard edge while maintaining flexibility and resilience. It's also fairly dense, so a sword made with it will have the mass required to cut. Titanium doesn't hold a candle to steel in this respect.
@halfassedfart Agreed, that's why titanium alloys are used for blades, not pure titanium. There are many different types of steel, and many steel alloys, all with slightly different properties. One of my teachers in college, Jeff Helmes, (check his blades out, they are amazing!) , sometimes even mixes combines wrought iron and tool steel to get some amazing results.
@davepen16 Welding a harder steel edge to a softer iron body is one of the most common ways katana were constructed. Either you're horribly misinformed or I've read something that you haven't. Considering that you study metallurgy...
@halfassedfart yes that's what they do in Katanas, good job sunshine! As I said it's a similar technique, but my teacher does it differently than the Japanese do.
@halfassedfart And by the way, I was mostly refering to the comment you commented on, I guess I should have commented on his. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
@WitheringintheDark I don't know where this info comes from as far as ti being "weak", etc. Watch my other youtube vid on "blacksmith forged titanium knife". I think it will change your mind.
@drgnfly4g Terms used properly- Titanium and Titanium ALLOYS though lighter than steel, do not match the ability for hardening required to keep a durable cutting edge. It is that simple. There is a Titanium ALLOY that has reached similiar Rockwell 'C' hardness ratings, but it's price is simply too high for practical or home production of cutting blades. Some Titanium ALLOY coatings increase corrosion resistance and add some strength, but it still does not best steel. Science is Science.
Why thank you for resurrecting a month old comment that had already been addressed and was directed more at previous posters thinking that titanium swords would be the best weapon ever. Really, do you even look or think before you post?
...... you do realize that I was talking to someone else? In regards to another thing entirely unrelated to you? People on this video have a rather annoying tendency to take things out of context.
awesome vid. my great great grandpa was a blacksmith who made horseshoes. I am a gunsmith for the Marines. Ive always wanted to forge blades. How hot does the TI have to be to be malleable?
@megaohmz Actually if he was a horse shoer he was a farrier not a blacksmith. If you watch my other video on forging a ti knife you'll see the heat. It's a bright yelllow. It;s tough stuff.
i see a lot of comments saying there's no reason to fold steel because we can cast it with high purity using modern methods. to that I say, pull out your 440 soldier-of-fortune-magazine blade and trust it to block my hand made katana. I have personally shattered such blades with not much effort. i think this might be true 99% but buyer be ware, that 1% could cost you your life.
@n3gat1v A 440C blade might crack- then again, no stainless makes decent sword material. Now, if you're talking about a Howard Clark L6 steel katana, I'd match that one against any traditional tamahagane blade any day of the week and twice on sundays.
@drgnfly4g in fact forging with clay is just genious, i would have never come with it myself, now i can train skill without all the heat and dificulties of the real forging, i guess this is perfect for some1 who considers it nothing more than a hobby
@MrNightshade69 Send me your email and I'll email you a photo of some small ti knives that I have. Also see my other youtube vid on "blacksmith forged titanium knife".
loved the instruct of clay--was very cool--it showed us non-blacksmith types how it would be done---cool! I have considered making knives but haven't thought of swords--yours was really a piece of art ,man
@madjimms the piece he is using to demonstrate his technique is a brick of clay. if it were a metal brick it would have taken far longer and required safety equipment. he does say it is clay, and notes the clay sticking to the anvil a tad ;)
nifty little piece there, why the use of Ti instead of steel? it seems like it would be a little more easily controlled with the difference in materials but ive never forged any Ti pieces so i have nothing to base that on
I notice that a lot of people on the internet state that titanium swords are not good for a functional practice or combat sword. They say a steel sword would slice through it, unless the titanium sword was much larger? (Weight to strength?). I noticed that this is an 'art' sword, but I also noticed your titanium knife took a sledge hammer blow.... so is it they are tough, but not to slicing actions?
Thanks for the great vids- and hoping those folks are wrong
@QuestonGuy No, Titanium work the way that its an excellent Hit-taker/Reinforcer. Its not however good for edges, they are hard to make and gets dull after just a couple of hits. I guess Titanium is best used as the Centre of Double Edged swords, and as the Back of a Single-edged,where it should work better than any metal Im aware of ( might be that theres a Steel-alloy that can match it) . So if you have steel with higher carbon rate, use it to the edges instead.
@09csr@drgnfly4g So would it be possible to make a large lightweight sword mostly from titanium, but melt/attach some other metal all along the edge or surface for cutting? I don't really know much about metals, but I bet if that was possible a lot of sword enthusiasts would be all over the product.
@QuestonGuy I'd think so. Its probarly the best way to make a durable lightweight sword, which still can hold edges. About the best way to add it on, I'd suggest you to ask drgnfly4, as he's been doing this for a long time.
@09csr that would be good but so pricey comparatively to what you can do with the large varieties of steels out there it might not be worth it, but if you want to go for extremes, try a tungsten blade with a cobalt backing, tungsten is a harder steel then Ti, steel, or any other combination i can think of and will have a rc of around 84 (the higher the rc the stronger but more brittle the edge, most steel knives range from 56-64) cobalt on the other hand is incredably soft and will absorb much
@gamlingcs That sounds great, but theres one question then; Doesnt that combo mean that the blade will become very heavy ? and of what I've heard, cobalt is soft, yes, but too soft, making it easy to shape. A sword must have a good Kinetic energy absorbing support, without being misshaped after a couple of hits. Of course, titanium is extremely expensive ( take a peek and the prices for just medical equipments out of it), but what metal isnt in those ammounts ?
@gamlingcs And it struck me ( unless its just my countries name for the same metal ) Molybdenum is the hardest Pure metal, though its almost as expensive as Gold,.
@09csr well the idea is that while the shock is absorbed by cobalt and then moves to the tungsten which will be the shell that holds the frame together, check out quietbearr's video on his trips to the master swordsmiths and there is one where it show cases a tungsten cobalt kiridashi which is where i got the idea from. as to the molybdenum that could be a different name for it but im pretty sure thats just an additive for knife steels which allows for a more consistent grain size and adds some
@09csr more hardness but not like tungsten other wise Tig welders would be using a molybdenum electrode instead of tungsten, but i can see that price being so high, metals are just getting so ridiculous right now price wise i might just have to switch over to INFI or another ceramic
@gamlingcs Weiil, I looked it up on wikipedia, and Molybdenum is a pure metal thats a little yellowish like gold, classed as one of the hardest metals, and is often found in stainless steel's for its hardness and ability to hold an edge( being about as hard as Ruby, its just two places below Diamonds), and expensive as hell, unless its in a steel alloy. of course, cobalt is soft, so it would work, but I think you'd need more than just the ordinary two-alloy sword then for best result with-
@gamlingcs Cobalt in the center, and a more balanced alloy/ base metal after it, and an edge of any hard metal, or it might bend in such a way that the sword would be destroyed thanks to the big differences between the hard tungsten and the soft cobalt.
@09csr i googled hardest pure metal and tungsten is first on the list, molybdenum could be an alloy or composite also just checked wikipedia and it says "Of all metals in pure form, tungsten has the highest melting point (3,422 °C, 6,192 °F), lowest vapor pressure and (at temperatures above 1,650 °C, 3,000 °F) the highest tensile strength.[13]" so idk about that matter, as to the sword, it just needs a good differential heat treat and there will be a balance scoring from the hard tungsten edge
@gamlingcs Okay, that makes sense. Its no wonder Molybdenum isnt on the list! I discovered that its indeed a pure metal, but its so rare that it hardly exist on any list at all ( though wikipedia has a page), resulting in that its in principe never used raw; its hard to find and hard to refine, making it too expensive to use in pure form
If that blade really is TI, then how did you forge it without the use of a shielding gas? If that blade is really TI then it should shatter the minuted you drop it on concrete. From what I know from working with TI myself, that blade should have cracked or broke before you got done with it. and yes it can be welded, you need the correct shielding gas and you need to TIG it.
@wolfofautumnnight Sure don't know where you get your info. There are hundreds of companies that forge titanium and they don't use a shielding gas. That is for welding only. Watch my other youtube video on actual forging of a ti knife and the final test. You'll see it is far from brittle.
@drgnfly4g My info, personal experience. Ok, watched the other vid.....Seeing what you did to make the knife goes against what I have seen myself. Maybe the ash works to shield TI, I have no idea, I just know when I make the pieces to a pair of TI finger gauntlets, it cracks if I heat it too long and I can then snap or crush the piece with my hands. How is it that you can forge TI and it not become brittle but if I heat a piece too long it breaks?
@wolfofautumnnight I don't know what the difference is. I've worked with pure ti and with different alloys and have never had any problem as you describe. And I've been doing this for over 25 years. I've also forged ti sheet without any problem. Some comes from machine shops and others from water-jet companies. Is it possible it's just the alloy you're using? I've even burned it on purpose and it glows like a welding rod welding, but still it is not brittle.
@wolfofautumnnight Not that I know of. Most of what I use is pure, like from the medical fiels, but some is from machine shops. As you see I'm working from drops and scrap when I can find it. It would be interesting to try it.
@drgnfly4g Wikipedia: "Ti-6Al-4V is most commonly used alloy..has a chemical comp. of 6% aluminium, 4% vanadium, 0.25% iron, 0.2% oxygen, and the remainder titanium...used extensively in Aerospace, Medical, Marine, and Chemical Processing. It is significantly stronger than commercially pure titanium ..having the same stiffness and thermal properties...excellent combination of strength, corrosion resistance, weld and fabricability..also used in surgical implants..used in applications up to 752f.
@drgnfly4g From experience as a hockey player and not a metal worker all I can say is that back in the day(early mid 90's) you used to be able to get skates that had titanium coated blades. It looked cool and prevented rusting but ultimetly they did not keep as sharp an edge as plane steel. Ummhh....do you have any thoughts on this matter?
i like the sound when gets with the anvil flap flap flap
The1990norbert 1 day ago
are titanium swords sharper than steel ones?
linka711 2 days ago
Gotta love how people don't listen to what you say in the video, and also assume that they're smarter then you are.
On another note though, thats a wicked sword! Is it folded prior to forming it?
Dozzer 6 days ago
@Dozzer The only folding was at the bottom to make the two halves. It is not layered.
Mainly this was a challenge to figure out how I could make a sword with a material that I couldn't weld or use the ususal fasteners like I would in steel. Thanks!
drgnfly4g 6 days ago
So...? Is Titanium Lighter than Steel and Stronger than Steel? If not can you tell me what its like as in. Titanium vs Steel ?
11kyzak11 1 week ago
@11kyzak11 Your arguments are true I've seen steel getting blown to bits by a bomb but Titanium didn't so yeah Titanium could cut Steel in half with minimum trouble.
Tarikace15 6 days ago
Looks cool, though titanium is good if you want something better than aluminium and still want small weight.
Steel is still much better and stronger...
HergotH01 3 weeks ago
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arnuskin1 3 weeks ago
bit of John Coltrane
TurboLulz 1 month ago
what is that metal you're hitting in the video?? I want some.
laharl69cirno 1 month ago 5
@laharl69cirno It's not metal. It's modeling clay. Hot metal works the same way as modeling clay except I don't need heat or heavy hammer blows to work the clay. It's a good demonstration material.
drgnfly4g 1 month ago 4
@drgnfly4g Oh thanks. I was confused by its luster.
laharl69cirno 1 month ago
although titanium is stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum its very poor for swords because it will not hold an edge
snickers763 2 months ago
@snickers763 This is true
DynaDuctINC 1 month ago
@DynaDuctINC my comment?...yes it is, titanium looses its edge very quickly its a cool project he made and could do some damage but it wouldn't be that clean either.
snickers763 1 month ago
@snickers763 Can it make great armor?
xxTeutonicKnightxx 2 weeks ago
@xxTeutonicKnightxx well titanium dosent hold and edge thats why its bad for swords im sure armor would be fine but it would take a hell of a long time to make
snickers763 2 weeks ago
@xxTeutonicKnightxx It would be great for armor as it has elasticity and springs back to shape and would take blows well without denting but I would guess would be too flexible for swords and edged weapons and as stated above, wouldn't hold an edge.
synapse131 1 week ago
guilded sword anyone?
gaurdian3012 2 months ago
i heard for quality work on something like this it take quite some time. swords especially but that's only what Ive heard
brian12102 3 months ago
oh, and can you actually fight with that thing?
bronzonia42 3 months ago
@bronzonia42 Yes you proably can, but it would not hold an edge long. Pure titanium is very strong but it does not hold an edge very well because ist a bit softer then iron
ScandinaviansAreCool 3 months ago
umm... you made the handle too small in proportion to the blade.
I made the same mistake when I tried a steel sword.
I cheated and used a grinder and welded it together once i had the basic shape, and used that twisted handle method with a goats head on the pommel. BUT it was too thin and wouldnt support the blade right when you fought with it.
bronzonia42 3 months ago
Randy, that sword is beautiful and the clay smithing idea is amazing! THANK YOU!
I have 2 questions:
1) Can Ti be sharpened so its edge stays sharp like steel's? Why aren't Ti knives more popular?
2) Will you make more videos please?
Thanks again!
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@KiloSierraAlpha '1) Can Ti be sharpened so its edge stays sharp like steel's? Why aren't Ti knives more popular?"
I assume its because Titaium isnt cheap to make
badpanda84 4 months ago
@KiloSierraAlpha No titanium just doesn't have the hardness that carbon steel has in order for a blade to retain an edge you need the HRC (Rockwell's "C" Hardness Scale) to be at least in the 50s. With titanium alloy you'll be lucky if you can treat it to mid 40s. That's why titanium blades are only for decoration but you can get titanium coated blades that have titanium carbide, titanium nitride, or titanium-carbo-nitride micro-welded on the blade to prevent rust to the steel blade.
squidvis 4 months ago
@squidvis Thanks for the info! QUICK question... have you heard of Titanium alloys? Are they any better?
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@KiloSierraAlpha The titanium I was referring to was titanium alloy (Ti 6Al-4V). Most of the time when someone talks about titanium they're talking about an alloy because pure titanium is a very soft metal.
squidvis 4 months ago
@squidvis While Ti 6Al-4V is generally stronger then pure titanium, pure titanium still has the hardness of most steels, so it is not a soft metal.
Loathomar 2 months ago
for some reason his hitting that clay with the hammer makes me angry
SkInHoUnD 5 months ago
Guys titanium is only stronger than steel in weight to strength ratio. Steel is always stronger than titanium in a size to strength ratio. For example if you had two identical swords right next to each other but the only difference was that one sword was made of steel and the other made of titanium then the steel one would be much stronger but much heavier.
squidvis 5 months ago
@squidvis ' Steel is always stronger than titanium in a size to strength ratio."
that depends on what grade steel you are taking about
badpanda84 4 months ago
@badpanda84 Well if you want to get technical then that is right because pure titanium is an extremely soft metal compared to any grade steel, but it was pretty obvious that I was talking about high carbon sword steel compared to titanium alloy since I was talking about swords.
squidvis 4 months ago
@badpanda84 An average high carbon steel sword when hardened to HRC 60 has tensile yield strength of 1,500 units/cross-sectional area, it also weighs 7,800 units per volume. A sword made of alpha-titanium alloy can only be hardened to HRC 40 so it has a yield strength of 850 units/cross-sectional-area and it weighs 4,500 units per volume. So the titanium sword is about half as strong but almost twice as light as the steel sword.
squidvis 4 months ago
is just my point of view, it looks great, I mean the form, BUT THOSE COLORS does that was necessary?
JulesCGS 5 months ago
Very interesting how you was using clay to make a lil demonstration. Never taught of that before-seems like it'll be a fairly good way to practice.
Good blade as well-but any particular reason you used Ti? Was it for the cosmetic appeal from the anodization?
BladefulArt 5 months ago
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ceranko 5 months ago
@ceranko Uh, titanium is LIGHTER than steel!
drgnfly4g 5 months ago 21
@drgnfly4g and stronger
CARDxTRICKxSTER 5 months ago
@CARDxTRICKxSTER Titanium is only stronger on a weight to strength ratio-otherwise, steel is superior. The only use titanium has in any fixed blade is for artistic appeal due to it being able to be anodized rather by heat or chemically. Its corrosion resistance is also a plus for art pieces. (or possibly for fittings, although for fittings I'd prefer something more durable like a austenitic grade of stainless)
BladefulArt 5 months ago
@BladefulArt
okay that makes sense. also its better for me, because a friend of mine is the manager at a D.H. Griffeth (or Griffith? Griffen? im not sure) scrap metal plant, and its a whole lot easier for me to get steel than titanium. he lets me get some small pieces from in the scrapyard for forging
CARDxTRICKxSTER 4 months ago
@ceranko yeah right, he would heat up the clay and then it would magically become titanium...dude, try to kid someone else please!
mrgaltasar 5 months ago
@ceranko you sir are retarded
StaringAtShlt 5 months ago
@ceranko And it is also stronger then steel
bozzza69 5 months ago
Never bring a gun to a swordfight!
ScandinaviansAreCool 6 months ago
Love the Sim City music lol.
quidnick 6 months ago
titanium needs to be forged in a vaccume due to it combusting on exposure to air. as such i dont think this is pure titanium.
jmabee 6 months ago 9
@jmabee Not so. There are hundreds of forging shops that forge titanium in the air. See my other video of "Forged Titanium Knife" and you'll see me doing it. It's the welding of it that requires the special atmostphere, not forging.
drgnfly4g 6 months ago 4
@drgnfly4g You can heat and hammer it in air. but it's melting point is also past it's oxidation point. You can even weld it at normal pressure, but you must use an inert gas, like nitrogen to keep it from oxidizing.
kenshinbattousai374 1 month ago
@drgnfly4g I weld titanium, and I find this project bloody fascinating. Beautiful work. Can titanium hold an edge?
geminyo 4 days ago
@jmabee i bet your thinking of tungsten
xLURCKx 3 months ago
look at all the "geniuses" pathetic, nice sword btw
MrLawlkatz 6 months ago
Wow that sword is both beautiful and ugly.
DarkAssassin101100 6 months ago
Awesome... I have a titanium alloy curved blade katana(G-1000 from global gear direct), a titanium coated straight blade katana(T-1000 from a Chinese manufacturer) and a T10 tungsten alloy blade coated in tungsten(also from a Chinese manufacturer). Also quite a few "regular" carbon steel blades, all purchased from ebay. I would love to acquire more more "exotic" metal blades for my collection, if you or anyone else can make any extra titanium blades for sale please put them up for sale somewhere
d4740 7 months ago
@d4740 hey ive always wanted to make a titanium sword can you tell me how good it is, how it performs, and if you think its better than steel?
ScandinaviansAreCool 6 months ago
that is a really good practice medium.... i thought of using clay to practice with or a putty but didnt know if it would work. Good idea man and awsome sword!
huckleberry803 7 months ago
The melting point for Titanium is 3000 F!!!!! There is no person on earth who could withstand that heat!!! The Melting point for Steel is half that of Titanium
kraigthorne 7 months ago
@kraigthorne Not totally correct. Titanium melts at 3040 F, steel melts at 2600 - 2800 F. We do burn both of them in the forge, but the point is not to burn it. If I was standing in the forge surounded by that heat I couldn't stand it, but on the end of a bar, that's a different matter. See my youtube video on forging a titanium knife and you'll see how it works. BTW, as it states in the video, this is a piece of clay I'm forging to show how it was made.
drgnfly4g 7 months ago 5
@drgnfly4g ok. Thanks for the info
kraigthorne 7 months ago
@kraigthorne hes not melting the metal hes heating the metal up to a bright color dumbass
killerthetruth 7 months ago
@kraigthorne If you forge a metal you don't melt it, you just heat it to transition point.
mcraregreat234543 6 months ago
@kraigthorne Usually we don't throw lava at out opponets, we need steel for its ability to stay intact after a .45 or .44 shot on our tanks.
Rusckin 3 months ago
is it clean Ti or u mixwd other stuff too ? cause Ti alone it can break if u hit it
grimslider 7 months ago
@grimslider Where did you ever hear that??? Please watch my other video of "forged titianium knife" and see if you still think the same way. I use pure ti and alloys and none of them will break. I don't know of any way to add anything to titanium in the forge.
drgnfly4g 7 months ago
@drgnfly4g i know that though things are fragile on impact like steel the harden steel breaks if u hit it but i dont know much about Ti so guessed that it worked the same way i though u used alloy btw preety nice job
and il check the vid right now
grimslider 7 months ago
@grimslider This video was done as a promotion for an auction and to show how this ti sword was constructed so a lot wasn't able to be shown. That's why I did the second video on the titanium knife so you could see the ti being forge, to see how tough it is and the test I performed afterwards to show it's strength. Actually the steel shouldn't break either, it should bend, if heat treated right.
drgnfly4g 7 months ago
@drgnfly4g yeah i saw it pretty tough stuff btw does it cut like iron or no i have some some steel knifes and after some time they are useless and my grandpa has a handmade iron knife that its easy to sharpen it and it cuts pretty good
grimslider 7 months ago
@grimslider get a good sharpening kit and care for all your blades and they should all be razor sharp until they break
wepntech 7 months ago
@wepntech thank you il buy one
grimslider 7 months ago
@grimslider your welcome and i have a knife sharpening kit for about 20 bucks but the old school stone set and ceramic blocks in my oppinnion are much better and you can add to it wtvr you like plus stones are good for axes, swords and all that too, check out katana sharpening techniques on here thers a lotta good info and shop around a bit probly ask some farmers were they get ther stuff 2 a buddy of mine just uses rocks he pics up for his sieves, and knives
wepntech 7 months ago
a truely amazing piece of crafting,good job sir
dracosword5 7 months ago
173 people have been impaled with this sword.
crazy8sdrums 7 months ago
@crazy8sdrums Really? Who gets arrested for that?
drgnfly4g 7 months ago
@drgnfly4g I was just referring to the fools who were so harmed by just the sheer sight of this beautiful titanium sword that they had to hit the dislike button.
My thanks for you sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. Cheers!
crazy8sdrums 7 months ago
does it even cut?
xTakuyax 7 months ago
Just wondering how good this actually is, does it hold an edge can it stand its own against a broadsword how well is it balanced wtc
volarion 8 months ago
@volarion at 47rc it wont impact against anything without considerable damage...edge retention on titanium though is surprisingly good.
wolfie83 8 months ago
Terminology is very important here. The same way a 2X4 in lumber is not a full 2" thick and certainly not a full 4" wide, is the same reason there is so much confusion flying around. Vague terminology. When referring to metals, unless you are a scientist, geologist, or you own the mine, remember this: Pure metals are not commonly used in constructing ANYTHING you or I will come into contact with. They simply are not. So it isnt Titanium, it is Titanium ALLOY. It isnt Aluminum, ALUMINUM ALLOY. !
cptnwilliamread 8 months ago
acualy its not a black smith its a sword smith
lonrodo 8 months ago
@lonrodo Actually I am a professional blacksmith, or an artist in forged metals who happened to make a sword.
drgnfly4g 8 months ago 11
@drgnfly4g oh...
lonrodo 8 months ago
@drgnfly4g sweet
lonrodo 8 months ago
@drgnfly4g ur a db magee, the man who made this video is a true blacksmith, so go f with someone els db magee
johnfrey3333 4 months ago
@drgnfly4g ur a db magee, the man who made this video is a true blacksmith, so go f with someone els db magee
johnfrey3333 4 months ago
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johnfrey3333 4 months ago
@lonrodo actually its neither... its not black smith or sword smith he is a Blacksmith... not black smith
TheBlastermaster10 8 months ago
HOLY omg that is so cool =D it would be great if u make a vid of you making the sword, not with clay lol. nice vid tho =3
PiercingIceTiger 8 months ago
@drgnfly4g
By weak I refer to the tensile strength of the pure metal, far inferior to tempered steel. There are titanium alloys with similar tensile strength to steel, but cannot hold a sharp enough edge, making them unfit for actual use(i meant this toward some random poster who thought titanium swords would be the shiznit for cutting stuff up)
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
@JjBroster12 $85 +s&h
drgnfly4g 9 months ago
Fantastic video sir! I'm new to Blacksmithing and I really love how you used that clay, can I ask what type of clay it is?
I have serious Anvil envy, I'm still looking for one like that!
1BustedMyth 9 months ago
@1BustedMyth Yes, it's modeling clay. The local craft stores sell it. Get the cheap stuff.
I do have an anvil for sale on my website. DRGNFLY4G
drgnfly4g 9 months ago
@drgnfly4g, Thanks for that, you've really inspred me to get back to it. I'd be very interested in the Anvil but I'm in Adelaide and would be very afraid of the postage!! :))
Again thanks for the wonderfull vid!
1BustedMyth 9 months ago
@1BustedMyth Go to a metal scrap yard and pick ur self up a solid square or round stock of steel. I payed $70.00 for a 142 pound of square stock steel and i use that thing every day and the good thing about this piece is that its not like most anvils today made out of that crap cast iron that cracks. A good anvil thats actually not made from cast iron and hardened forged steel weighing 140 pounds will cost more then 2,500 today and thats used. $70.00 v.s. 2,500 i could use that extra cash
honeybunchickens 8 months ago
That blade looks like mostly pure titanium. Pretty and good for show, but structurally weak and unfit for a sword meant to be practiced, used, or sparred with. It can't really hold a good edge, and a quality tempered steel blade would cut it in half.
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
@WitheringintheDark Not to mention that the design looks like it was pinched from a sword and sorcery novel.
halfassedfart 9 months ago
@halfassedfart It's really interesting to read you armchair "warriors" talk down to an experienced, and highly skilled bladesmith. If you had ANY real world experience, you would know how ignorant and ridiculous you sound. Higher end metals and alloys are very dificult to work with. Even if you don't like his style, you should at least respect his skill as a tradesman.
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Learn to read, mate, I *was* addressing his style. I can't see what else 'pinched from a sword and sorcery' novel could mean. There's just no comparison between this and an actual sword.
Swords fit for actual use continue to be made out of steel because it's the best material available. Titanium might work very well for shorter blades, but there's a lot more to swords than that.
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@halfassedfart If it cuts, has a long blade, and was forged....it IS an actual sword. I can read
And tell me, since you're an expert...what is the best material? Have you ever actually forged a blade? Any real experience? I don't want to offend, I just think one should have real world experience before talking like an expert. Escpecially when you're refering to a master's work.
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Errr, mate, this doesn't require expert knowledge. Steel has the mechanical properties necessary for sword blades. With a good heat treat, it can be sharpened with a fairly hard edge while maintaining flexibility and resilience. It's also fairly dense, so a sword made with it will have the mass required to cut. Titanium doesn't hold a candle to steel in this respect.
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@halfassedfart Agreed, that's why titanium alloys are used for blades, not pure titanium. There are many different types of steel, and many steel alloys, all with slightly different properties. One of my teachers in college, Jeff Helmes, (check his blades out, they are amazing!) , sometimes even mixes combines wrought iron and tool steel to get some amazing results.
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Yeah, but it doesn't scale up so well to swords. That's how you end up with the monstrosities that Cold Steel makes. :P
Wouldn't that be rather similar to pattern-welding?
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@halfassedfart It's similar, basically the wrought iron provides a softer core to absorb vibration, and the tool steel holds the edge.
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Oh, right. I'd assumed it was pattern welding, what you're describing sounds similar to the process commonly attributed to the katana.
On the original argument, to be fair, the poster did state that it was an art sword.
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@halfassedfart No, not really the same as a katana. This is going nowhere
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Welding a harder steel edge to a softer iron body is one of the most common ways katana were constructed. Either you're horribly misinformed or I've read something that you haven't. Considering that you study metallurgy...
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@halfassedfart yes that's what they do in Katanas, good job sunshine! As I said it's a similar technique, but my teacher does it differently than the Japanese do.
davepen16 8 months ago
@davepen16 Finally! I was beginning to give up hope, champ. :)
halfassedfart 8 months ago
@davepen16 I've just checked out Jeff Helmes, and I'm really glad I did, it's really beautiful work. Thanks for sharing.
TheWayToBabylon 4 months ago
@halfassedfart And by the way, I was mostly refering to the comment you commented on, I guess I should have commented on his. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
davepen16 8 months ago
@WitheringintheDark I don't know where this info comes from as far as ti being "weak", etc. Watch my other youtube vid on "blacksmith forged titanium knife". I think it will change your mind.
drgnfly4g 9 months ago
@drgnfly4g Terms used properly- Titanium and Titanium ALLOYS though lighter than steel, do not match the ability for hardening required to keep a durable cutting edge. It is that simple. There is a Titanium ALLOY that has reached similiar Rockwell 'C' hardness ratings, but it's price is simply too high for practical or home production of cutting blades. Some Titanium ALLOY coatings increase corrosion resistance and add some strength, but it still does not best steel. Science is Science.
cptnwilliamread 8 months ago
@WitheringintheDark what part of "ART sword" In the description did you miss?
AngelusDlion 8 months ago
@AngelusDlion
Why thank you for resurrecting a month old comment that had already been addressed and was directed more at previous posters thinking that titanium swords would be the best weapon ever. Really, do you even look or think before you post?
WitheringintheDark 8 months ago
@WitheringintheDark Titanium is among the hardest metals...I doubt a lesser metal such as Steel would cut it.
kikook222 7 months ago
@kikook222
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WitheringintheDark 7 months ago
@WitheringintheDark Where's the deception??? I'm just showing the steps in clay to produce the artistic sword that I made.
drgnfly4g 7 months ago
@drgnfly4g
...... you do realize that I was talking to someone else? In regards to another thing entirely unrelated to you? People on this video have a rather annoying tendency to take things out of context.
WitheringintheDark 7 months ago
useing the clay to show how you made it was just awsome!!! great video
1crazyfocker 9 months ago
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Titanium will fuck you.
leeham991 10 months ago
Cool video. What jazz song is playing in the background. It sounds familiar, like Wayne Shorter or something.
xcstar1753 10 months ago
is the clay hard enough to hold when the sword is in use?
JoeGormanlol 10 months ago
awesome vid. my great great grandpa was a blacksmith who made horseshoes. I am a gunsmith for the Marines. Ive always wanted to forge blades. How hot does the TI have to be to be malleable?
megaohmz 10 months ago
@megaohmz Actually if he was a horse shoer he was a farrier not a blacksmith. If you watch my other video on forging a ti knife you'll see the heat. It's a bright yelllow. It;s tough stuff.
drgnfly4g 10 months ago
@megaohmz should be around 2000 degrees
LUKE5135 9 months ago
i see a lot of comments saying there's no reason to fold steel because we can cast it with high purity using modern methods. to that I say, pull out your 440 soldier-of-fortune-magazine blade and trust it to block my hand made katana. I have personally shattered such blades with not much effort. i think this might be true 99% but buyer be ware, that 1% could cost you your life.
n3gat1v 11 months ago
@n3gat1v A 440C blade might crack- then again, no stainless makes decent sword material. Now, if you're talking about a Howard Clark L6 steel katana, I'd match that one against any traditional tamahagane blade any day of the week and twice on sundays.
althesmith 11 months ago
@drgnfly4g i was just making a joke about how titanium is very flexible is all.
St6y7 11 months ago
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WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE i sure hope you added carbon to the titanium in that sword or you might kill yourself taking it out of it's sheith
St6y7 11 months ago
WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE i sure hope you added carbon to the titanium in that sword or you might kill yourself taking it out of it's sheith
St6y7 11 months ago
@St6y7 Pay attention! That's clay I'm hammering to show how it was done. Ti does not wobble.
drgnfly4g 11 months ago 4
@drgnfly4g in fact forging with clay is just genious, i would have never come with it myself, now i can train skill without all the heat and dificulties of the real forging, i guess this is perfect for some1 who considers it nothing more than a hobby
immortaliserwow 5 months ago
your work is amazing make me a neck knife out of titanium same shape as a izula knife ill pay you im waiting for your reply
MrNightshade69 11 months ago
@MrNightshade69 Send me your email and I'll email you a photo of some small ti knives that I have. Also see my other youtube vid on "blacksmith forged titanium knife".
drgnfly4g 11 months ago
looks like the sword in zelda majoras mask when u give the gold dust won from the goron race to the big ass blacksmith
smowl666 1 year ago
correct me if i am wrong, i though titanium could not be hand forged, meaning, sweating, hammering and quesnching without breaking
caperneus 1 year ago
@caperneus Obviously it can. See my other vid on "Forged Titanium Knife".
drgnfly4g 1 year ago
CAN ANY OF YOU MAKE ME A TI SUIT OF ARMOUR
THEBLACKKNIGHTJOUST 1 year ago
loved the instruct of clay--was very cool--it showed us non-blacksmith types how it would be done---cool! I have considered making knives but haven't thought of swords--yours was really a piece of art ,man
micmoable 1 year ago
really cool but not practical--only for the art of it I assume
micmoable 1 year ago
I thought Ti, does not retain and edge like carbon steel?
cliffcox66 1 year ago
I had no idea this skillset still existed.
TotalRMS 1 year ago
Beautiful blade, i like the basket hilt along with twin dragon head ends. The reverse guard and channel are nice, and the heat coloring on the blade.
Jzzy132 1 year ago
Man that thing is ugly...
Nervjiggy 1 year ago
I'm confused, how are you holding molten titanium? or how is it soft?
madjimms 1 year ago
@madjimms the piece he is using to demonstrate his technique is a brick of clay. if it were a metal brick it would have taken far longer and required safety equipment. he does say it is clay, and notes the clay sticking to the anvil a tad ;)
Archios11 1 year ago
@Archios11 Yeah, i only realized that after I watched again :-P
madjimms 1 year ago
Crud!!! I was born in Westminster MD, and lived 8 years there!! I've been to the farm museum many times also. (I now live in Palm City, FL)
mile0chicken 1 year ago
nifty little piece there, why the use of Ti instead of steel? it seems like it would be a little more easily controlled with the difference in materials but ive never forged any Ti pieces so i have nothing to base that on
gamlingcs 1 year ago
dude you need to make a TI shield. lightweight and durable!
could probably block 30cal rounds
SoldierCyfix 1 year ago
Aloha Drgnfly4g,
I notice that a lot of people on the internet state that titanium swords are not good for a functional practice or combat sword. They say a steel sword would slice through it, unless the titanium sword was much larger? (Weight to strength?). I noticed that this is an 'art' sword, but I also noticed your titanium knife took a sledge hammer blow.... so is it they are tough, but not to slicing actions?
Thanks for the great vids- and hoping those folks are wrong
QuestonGuy 1 year ago
@QuestonGuy No, Titanium work the way that its an excellent Hit-taker/Reinforcer. Its not however good for edges, they are hard to make and gets dull after just a couple of hits. I guess Titanium is best used as the Centre of Double Edged swords, and as the Back of a Single-edged,where it should work better than any metal Im aware of ( might be that theres a Steel-alloy that can match it) . So if you have steel with higher carbon rate, use it to the edges instead.
09csr 1 year ago
@09csr @drgnfly4g So would it be possible to make a large lightweight sword mostly from titanium, but melt/attach some other metal all along the edge or surface for cutting? I don't really know much about metals, but I bet if that was possible a lot of sword enthusiasts would be all over the product.
QuestonGuy 1 year ago
@QuestonGuy I'd think so. Its probarly the best way to make a durable lightweight sword, which still can hold edges. About the best way to add it on, I'd suggest you to ask drgnfly4, as he's been doing this for a long time.
09csr 1 year ago
@09csr that would be good but so pricey comparatively to what you can do with the large varieties of steels out there it might not be worth it, but if you want to go for extremes, try a tungsten blade with a cobalt backing, tungsten is a harder steel then Ti, steel, or any other combination i can think of and will have a rc of around 84 (the higher the rc the stronger but more brittle the edge, most steel knives range from 56-64) cobalt on the other hand is incredably soft and will absorb much
gamlingcs 1 year ago
@gamlingcs That sounds great, but theres one question then; Doesnt that combo mean that the blade will become very heavy ? and of what I've heard, cobalt is soft, yes, but too soft, making it easy to shape. A sword must have a good Kinetic energy absorbing support, without being misshaped after a couple of hits. Of course, titanium is extremely expensive ( take a peek and the prices for just medical equipments out of it), but what metal isnt in those ammounts ?
09csr 1 year ago
@gamlingcs And it struck me ( unless its just my countries name for the same metal ) Molybdenum is the hardest Pure metal, though its almost as expensive as Gold,.
09csr 1 year ago
@09csr well the idea is that while the shock is absorbed by cobalt and then moves to the tungsten which will be the shell that holds the frame together, check out quietbearr's video on his trips to the master swordsmiths and there is one where it show cases a tungsten cobalt kiridashi which is where i got the idea from. as to the molybdenum that could be a different name for it but im pretty sure thats just an additive for knife steels which allows for a more consistent grain size and adds some
gamlingcs 1 year ago
@09csr more hardness but not like tungsten other wise Tig welders would be using a molybdenum electrode instead of tungsten, but i can see that price being so high, metals are just getting so ridiculous right now price wise i might just have to switch over to INFI or another ceramic
gamlingcs 1 year ago
@gamlingcs Weiil, I looked it up on wikipedia, and Molybdenum is a pure metal thats a little yellowish like gold, classed as one of the hardest metals, and is often found in stainless steel's for its hardness and ability to hold an edge( being about as hard as Ruby, its just two places below Diamonds), and expensive as hell, unless its in a steel alloy. of course, cobalt is soft, so it would work, but I think you'd need more than just the ordinary two-alloy sword then for best result with-
09csr 1 year ago
@gamlingcs Cobalt in the center, and a more balanced alloy/ base metal after it, and an edge of any hard metal, or it might bend in such a way that the sword would be destroyed thanks to the big differences between the hard tungsten and the soft cobalt.
09csr 1 year ago
@09csr i googled hardest pure metal and tungsten is first on the list, molybdenum could be an alloy or composite also just checked wikipedia and it says "Of all metals in pure form, tungsten has the highest melting point (3,422 °C, 6,192 °F), lowest vapor pressure and (at temperatures above 1,650 °C, 3,000 °F) the highest tensile strength.[13]" so idk about that matter, as to the sword, it just needs a good differential heat treat and there will be a balance scoring from the hard tungsten edge
gamlingcs 1 year ago
@09csr to the softer tungsten then finally to the cobalt and back again it would hold up fine IMO
gamlingcs 1 year ago
@gamlingcs Okay, that makes sense. Its no wonder Molybdenum isnt on the list! I discovered that its indeed a pure metal, but its so rare that it hardly exist on any list at all ( though wikipedia has a page), resulting in that its in principe never used raw; its hard to find and hard to refine, making it too expensive to use in pure form
09csr 1 year ago
@09csr ah ok yeah that makes sense, sounds like we need to start drilling for molybdenum now lol
gamlingcs 1 year ago
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gamlingcs 1 year ago
I'd likr to see a titanium rapier or halbred
MrOttmandus 1 year ago
If that blade really is TI, then how did you forge it without the use of a shielding gas? If that blade is really TI then it should shatter the minuted you drop it on concrete. From what I know from working with TI myself, that blade should have cracked or broke before you got done with it. and yes it can be welded, you need the correct shielding gas and you need to TIG it.
wolfofautumnnight 1 year ago
@wolfofautumnnight Sure don't know where you get your info. There are hundreds of companies that forge titanium and they don't use a shielding gas. That is for welding only. Watch my other youtube video on actual forging of a ti knife and the final test. You'll see it is far from brittle.
drgnfly4g 1 year ago
@drgnfly4g My info, personal experience. Ok, watched the other vid.....Seeing what you did to make the knife goes against what I have seen myself. Maybe the ash works to shield TI, I have no idea, I just know when I make the pieces to a pair of TI finger gauntlets, it cracks if I heat it too long and I can then snap or crush the piece with my hands. How is it that you can forge TI and it not become brittle but if I heat a piece too long it breaks?
wolfofautumnnight 1 year ago
@wolfofautumnnight I don't know what the difference is. I've worked with pure ti and with different alloys and have never had any problem as you describe. And I've been doing this for over 25 years. I've also forged ti sheet without any problem. Some comes from machine shops and others from water-jet companies. Is it possible it's just the alloy you're using? I've even burned it on purpose and it glows like a welding rod welding, but still it is not brittle.
drgnfly4g 1 year ago
@drgnfly4g the alloy I use is 6AL-4V, have you used that at all?
wolfofautumnnight 1 year ago
@wolfofautumnnight Not that I know of. Most of what I use is pure, like from the medical fiels, but some is from machine shops. As you see I'm working from drops and scrap when I can find it. It would be interesting to try it.
drgnfly4g 1 year ago
@drgnfly4g Wikipedia: "Ti-6Al-4V is most commonly used alloy..has a chemical comp. of 6% aluminium, 4% vanadium, 0.25% iron, 0.2% oxygen, and the remainder titanium...used extensively in Aerospace, Medical, Marine, and Chemical Processing. It is significantly stronger than commercially pure titanium ..having the same stiffness and thermal properties...excellent combination of strength, corrosion resistance, weld and fabricability..also used in surgical implants..used in applications up to 752f.
drgnfly4g 1 year ago
@drgnfly4g From experience as a hockey player and not a metal worker all I can say is that back in the day(early mid 90's) you used to be able to get skates that had titanium coated blades. It looked cool and prevented rusting but ultimetly they did not keep as sharp an edge as plane steel. Ummhh....do you have any thoughts on this matter?
darrylsh 1 year ago
@wolfofautumnnight ti has both alpha and beta crystaline structure. oxide layers protect underlyi g metal
DonMeaker 1 year ago