Rob Bell's book "Love Wins" is a book all Christians and non christians alike should read. It's very similar to what this man is saying. It's life changing stuff, especially to open minded people who want to escape religion and become a part of something bigger.
I never got the whole non believers go to hell. If Jesus dead for all mans sins. Why would he only pick a few people to go to heaven. Why would he burn 4 billion people non-believer for getting it wrong even if they where good people. I believe that there is God. But i just don't believe God is a Asshole. You know christian always talk about saving people. According to them most of everybody how ever lived is in Hell now. A true loving god should not act like the one that some believe in..
all the h8ters of this need to wake up hes a saint. HELL DOES NOT EXIST the reason for hell was always control and always will be control its pathetic the fact that you want to believe in place like that is sickening. Being human is all we can be life is wonderful thing and we should embrace being human and love one another for it. This guy knows what hes talking about
THIS PRIEST IS A MORON HE IS A DISGRACE AND HE IS MISLEADING PEOPLE THE OLD FART... HELL IS A REAL PLACE THE EVILONE DOES EXIST AND THE MAJORITY OF MANKIND IS GOING TO HELL... HE WILL COME AGAIN TO DESTROY THIS WICKED WORLD AND THE WICKED PEOPLE IN IT..ASK YOUR SELF IS MY NAME WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE YOU HAVE TO BE 100% SURE...ONE SECOND AFTER DEATH ITS TOO LATE HELL WAS NOT MADE FOR MAN IT WAS MADE FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS...... JESUS CAN SAVE YOUR SOLE REPENT AND LIVE JESUS IS LORD
@Gelnprato do aliens on other planets know about jesus? and if not.. do they go to hell too? =)
lol.. i do believe in a afterlife just like the man in the video,i do believe in forces we cannot see with our eyes but we know for a FACT God did NOT write the bible.. it was many texts put into 1 making it a book.. they even found a new text a few years back and they are currently discussing adding it to the bible because it dates back to similar time periods and talks a tale about judas.. man made
@Gelnprato however i do not doubt the purpose of jesus.. but i do doubt in humanity.. christians HATE,judge and turn their back on people who dont share their religious view.. yet they have the nerv to say they are living the way of jesus.. i mean wtf.. jesus wasent even a christian because christianty was invented over 1000 years AD
It is really fair to punish a sinner for eternity?Average person lives around 70+ years more or less!If the earth were just pure sand and every 1 thousand years a dove came to pick up just 1 grain of sand til all the sand was gone,Is it really God's justice?This doctrine of hell is a misguided,errornous concept of what god is!2 peter says God does not take pleasure inthe destruction of man.the wage of sin is death(eternal death)only the good are to be with christ (2nd coming) 2 tesalon.
Amen! Brother or sister...this GUY is acting as a mouth piece for SATAN in this video! This is some of the deception that the bible speaks of in the last days..PEOPLE SHOULD FLEE FROM THIS MANS CHURCH!
Proof that SATAN has his minions even in the midst of humanity, that man speaking is a direct voice for the DEVIL and I would tell him that to his face, he demeans Messiah Jesus and speaks of us needing to attain to full humanity, is that man mad. To think these people have congregations, Oh Lord protect the flock which they scatter
@MusingsOfAMoron Amen! Brother or sister...this GUY is acting as a mouth piece for SATAN in this video! This is some of the deception that the bible speaks of in the last days..PEOPLE SHOULD FLEE FROM THIS MANS CHURCH!
1) John Shelby Spong is a "new age" guru, not a Christian theologian; and certainly NOT a biblical Christian.
2) The doctrine of "hell" is NOT the issue; the issue is the "unconditional immortality", vs. the "conditional immortality" of the soul. The Scriptures are clear that the soul (man; life) is NOT immortal. Only the saints will receive immortality, and only at the 2nd Advent (1Cor.15:51-53).
@henryforshaw Spong @1:11: "...people need to grow up and accept responsibility for themselves..". Spong, in his "new age" philosophy seems to think that the biblical doctrine of divine election and reprobation negates man's responsibility. Apparently, Mr. Spong doesn't comprehend the meaning of the word "responsibility". Responsibility means "to give a response". In the created order, the created must "give a response" to the Creator (the highest authority).
@rkg62976 You dont know what a reference is, a reference is a source to your claims. Evidence to back up your claims, which there appears to be none... Why would I need to counter your point, when you have none.
It's not Chrisianity that must change or die...it's Sponge that must change or die. He says people don't need to be born again, but Jesus says we must. This man is not only a heretic, but is demon possessed. This is where Carlton Pearson got most of his madness.
@bella50008 he says you dont need to be born again, but its not what he believes. He believes in being born again, but he is saying all will be born again. He is calling you childish and your comments justify his claims.
@henryforshaw .."He believes in being born again, but he is saying all will be born again. He is calling you childish and your comments justify his claims.
He specifically says people do not need to be born again, which is in direct contradiction to what the Bible says. He is calling God a liar, and your agreement with him seals your fate.
Of course there isn't a hell. Noone is born evil. Evil is simply created!
If a child is born into an abusive family, and he grows up in poverty, being bullied, beaten, sexually abused and knows nothing except hate, then is it really fair that he should go to hell? Of course not, he didn't choose it!
Also, of course christians are going to say that muslims/hindus/jews etc are going to hell and vice versa, thats how religion works! Its mean't to scare people into beliving!
I've heard to be a pastor or catholic priest you first have to be trained in the magic of dark arts. This vid tells the truth, hell is actually here on earth. The devil doesn't commit genocide, cause wars, rape women & children, or create financial debt. Man causes all these events to take place. When adults begin to take responsibility for their own actions, only then will this matrix crumble.
"the function of the Christ is not to rescue the sinners, but to empower you and to call you to be more deeply and fully Human than you have ever realized there was the potential within you to be...maybe salvation needs to be conveyed in terms of enhancing your humanity - rather than rescuing you from it" ---quote from the guy in the vid.
^ HES KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT, THIS MAN IS VERY WISE~!!!!!!.
This man is the most sensible guy that I have heard to speak on this. I too feel that organized religions teach dependency on an external authority, so that we can be void of real self-responsibility and cosmic adulthood. I do feel that we do reap what we sow but in some eternal hell with demons brutalizing us? No, I am not buying it!
If you don't believe the Bible, why would you subject yourself to being a Christian? Life would be much easier if I could discount "love your enemies" and "take up your cross". If Jesus was just an ancient Tony Robins or Oprah, WHY O WHY would you SPEND YOUR LIFE following him?!
@1Masterofwar: Really? He talked to you? What'd he sound like? I always pictured a kinda Rex Harrison-y or Orson Wells-y voice, with a bit of Charlton Heston thrown in. I'd love to hear you do an impression of him - or perhaps his voice sounds a bit like your own? If you hear voices, there's medicine for that. It's called Clorazil.
The bible is a wicked evil book written by evil men being guided by evil wicked spirits... I asked God why the bible portrayed him so mean and vengeful? His exact words were this, "You cannot truly love that which you fear." I asked why would you demand sacrifice and blood payments? He replied, "I have NEVER once demanded sacrifice!!! I am GOD is there anything you have that I cannot have without you? NO That is the work of the beast that has enslaved my children." God is love, mercy, compassion
The Hellfire originates in and engulfs the hearts.” In that Light, ‘people carry their fire to Hell’. God does not punish anyone. Reward & Punishment are logical consequences of our deeds.
This is good. Thanx for the post. Im not a man of religion but the truth shows that we are living in a higher concious. We mimic the higher law. There no need for pastors emams, priest cause right and wrong has already been determind. Its the law. Hell is a state of mind, cause if a man can exsplain it(Donte) it means its only a state of miind thats living, cause a dead man does not right.. The fealing of error and constant cufusion behind the error bring on bad fealing and erratic emotions.
This is good. Thanx for the post. Im not a man of religion but the truth shows that we are living in a higher concious. We mimic the higher law. There no need for pastors emams, priest cause right and wrong has already been determind. Its the law. Hell is a state of mind, cause if a man can exsplain it(Donte) it means its only a state of miind thats living, cause a dead man does not right.. The fealing of error and constant cufusion behind the error bring on bad fealing and erratic emotions.
Why do people claim to have gone to hell if it doesn't exist? I am not saying it does or doesn't, but I wouldn't say it doesn't unless you truly know it. I don't know what is real but I am open to Jesus.
In the Gospel of Thomas some dude asks Christ, he says, "So, people who do not follow you die and they retire to Gehenna?"
(Gehenna was this burning garbage pit outside of Babylon where people sacrificed babies and shit, in Judaism "Gehenna" is the closest thing they discuss to Hell)
And Christ says to the dude, "Yes." And then with this odd whimsy that Christ is rarely described as having, he smiled and whispered to the guy, "But I have a secret... They get out."
I know this is old but I wanted to respond to this. By now, I'm sure you know tis but there was no hell in the OT. The concept showed up after the Hebrews were freed from Babylonian captivity. Many scholars believe that Hell, Duality, etc, all came from Mithric religion, which was (this one) was a Persian belief and that's who freed them from Bab. captivity.
We don't really hear about hell until the NT, which I'm convinced the church had much to do with implementing it for control.
@aZeroGodist reilgon is power hunger, conforming people to society, and confusing. I believe in a higher being and many things, and also that hell dosent exist. Without religion their would be no more wars and divison. The only problem would be humanity and its morals.
@aZeroGodist As a very informed and well-read Christian, I can tell you that Hell is in neither the old or new testaments. It is a doctrine taken from other religions.
@PatrickTheSaxPlayer There probably would be a LOT less Christians because they wouldn't have to fear Hell, so they wouldn't have to submit to religion.
this preacher is one of the first I have heard that is telling it right. His teachings align with Michael Newton's findings and they are coming from two different directions ...hmmmmm interesting!
Only 1 minute and 13 seconds into this video and the "Retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, NJ" has already called Jesus a liar twice. He is claiming there is no hell. Jesus taught there is a hell (Luke 16:23), he is claiming that you do not need to be born again, Jesus taught that you must be born again (John 3:7). He must know more than Jesus. Sad that people in the church listen to fools like this. THIS MAN IS A LIAR and the truth is NOT in him; Last day deceivers - Matt. 22:29
Maybe u should do your own research and research the hebrew and greek txt in which the Bible you read ha sbeen translated from, u probabley find hell is not mentioned but the in the hebrew langauge u get the word sheol which means grave and the greek wor dis none other than Hades, U say Man is liar, well Man write ur Bible thats right MAN did, Hell is a lie just to control our minds
try to exsplain exorcism father the existence of evil spirits where do they come umm is it hell evil is everywhere now i believe when the world returns to the same level of evil as sodom and gomarah the lord will return we are so close to that father so see ya in hell lol
Hell doesnt exist, it was added by the church in the dark ages.
Hell simply meant 'the grave'.
The fire in the bible is symbolic for Gods wrath and his 'cleansing', SURE he will burn up sin, but its not forever, the world 'everlasting' was also changed by the church, in the original language it means basically 'a limited age/time'. 90% of the believers for 500 years after Christ believed in universal salvation. Google all i have said and find the truth.
Who wants to worship a ''god'' that burns, floods, murderers the first born of his own children, and call you ''born sinner'', ''heathen'' and ''pornography'' ?
Religions are lies written by murderous barbarians to control their population of slaves.
Hell doesn't exist. Heaven doesn't exist. They are all man-made inventions to keep people subservient, dumbed-down and content in their miserable lives with the misguided notion that happiness will come in an afterlife. Yeah right .
So if Heaven and Hell doesn't exist, we can then go one step further and say "GOD doesn't exist".
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This guy is the biggest Douche I have ever seen, Through the yours Hes always been a Douche, but as the years go by this Douche just keep getting more and more.....Doucheier
How do you know what God where thinking? From the Bible? The one wich was written by humans centuries after that Jesus died, and is full of controversies because of it, and was canonised by the Church for it's own power?!
people should go unpunished? Would someone like a god like that? No god created hell for people that rejected him no matter how much it may inconvenience you hell still exist. Look up videos of people who had near death experiences (yes I said this b4) they have seen hell.
No, people have not seen hell, there are scientific explanations for NDEs. Why are they now still alive if there were going to hell?? God wanted them to testify? Wouldn't that ruin [blind] faith? Wouldn't those stories ruin faith, providing evidence? Eternal torture is not punishment for rejecting a god, even if you could see/hear that god!! GROW UP!! LET GO!!
But you must take into account other cultures around the world, only in catholic/cristian cultures people see angels and or hell during NDE's. They see images that apply to thier own cultures and religions. this implies that there experiences only relate to what the have been taught not a worldwide truth.
If hell was just something the church made up why didnt people simply speak out against it if it was not true? Didn't jesus speak of hell in the bible? Did he not say the truth would still be there whether or not it was convenient for anyone? If the bible was a complete lie why did not people speak out against it? The bible was not meant to hold god in a book but just xplain the truth of god and help people to find him and be truly happy? Would it be right for someone who has killed countless
Because you silly prick, if anyone spoke out about the bible were executed!!! Believe in god or die was the general thinking back then. If you have turned a blind eye to all the atrocities that religion has caused over the years then you are standard every day bible controlled sheep.
The man in the video speaks of dults as people who cannot be controlled, people of free will. While I do understand a bit of what he is saying in the eyes of an infinite-omniscient being we are children in his eyes. Hell does exist many people have experienced hell through near death experiences, they have seen heaven. They described a place of fiery death and torment, millions of people burning in flames etc. Jesus preached of hell as well in the bible, the same way as people in ndes.
Hell was a place created for the evil and his fallen angels. God did not intend for anyone to go there but for those who reject god go there. Not exactly sure if the church is somehow controlling me because of fear of hell (hell SHOULD be feared) I chose to serve god out of my own free will. And if the church did want to control people through fear of hell then they have failed miserably just by looking at our current society. Perhaps hell isnt a firy place but it is a seperation from god.
Sir, you are an opportunist. You come across the Good Book, pick and chose what you like, what you know will sell to the ignorant, compliance masses, and come up with your own religion so you can receive a tax exempt organization to make what you call a living. May God have mercy on those fools you deceive, and may you not end up in that place you say does not exist.
"Why Christianity Must Change or Die." "Bishop" Spong doesn't get it. Christ laid out truth. That truth cannot change no matter how inconvenient it may be for the people who hear it. That truth cannot waver no matter how uncomfortable accepting it may be. It is not Christianity that needs to change; it is the world.
load of bollocks live life to the fall and dont be religious its a waist of life plz dnt be in a religion just be normal and if u have to do bad stuff then do it.
Well it had 2618 views in its short life on Cruciefiction's channel and if you don't believe me, I have updated my Vlog on mian page as "proof", so you came on this channel to attack this video, so unchristian (or is that the true face of christianity). God cannot stand on his own feet, I am sure Jesus would be turning in his grave after seeing one of his sons acting so childish.
I just had a thought..with regards to being "born into sin"..look back at your childhood, waayyy back. I can remember glimpses of being like 1 and 2 years old, and not having a negative intention towards anyone or any thing..not blaming anyone for anything..
it's only as we got older that we started sinning and things went wrong. we were taught sins! I think this earth is truly a battlefield between good and evil. We were given a way out, and it's Jesus. Without him we wouldn't stand a chance.
This man will just confirm that which you want to hear. He states that to be fully human we have to completely rely on our sense of self-enhancement. This is a pure humanist approach and is clearly not from God.
If you do not wish to believe in God for whatever reason, you have further to search for a justification than youtube.
God created people that can reason, but how they reason is up to them.
Satan deceives. Would he really want you to know he exists?
Actually the belief in God (theist) has nothing to do with any authoritative religion, if anything religion constantly goes against the meaning of God, for it's own agenda.
Also If the devil or even god for that matter existed, it would want people to know it existed, but as there is no "Aello I'm 'ere" shows that the idea that (Satan deceives) would equally applies to God deceives.
Now the so called devil's meant to be seeking power, you can't run in an election if you don't canvass
Your statement on religious agendas is an over-generalisation.
Your second statement is myopic. God is all that is life and love and Satan is against God. That means the exact opposite. Satan's agenda is not just for us to serve him, but to destroy us and to keep us away from God out of his hatred for God.
You would not serve someone who hates you and wants to destroy you because you are made in God's image.
You are rationalising the spiritual world from a biased perspective.
myopic: I like that. Maybe, and even could just make stuff up as I am free to do so, especially with something I consider made up in the 1st century.
Now as to not serving someone that you might hate like Mr. Brown? but he sure is doing a swell job of destroying your country, I suppose at least the pope -(if your RC) & god will come to save the day.
Considering I feel I am a very spiritual person, and did believe in the jesus-god, but many parts of RC seemed just plain silly.
hell does exist if there was no hell ppl would have the easy way out...if there is no hell most likely there is no heaven that means u only get heaven and punishment is no heaven?
do you really want hell to exist? Can any human really deserve Hell? Now I dont pretend to know what justice is from the standpoint of God, but I have heard that Hell or "Gehenna" was a physical lake of fire near Jerusalem. It was a garbage dump! And the pitt I think was created for higher beings, like fallen angels to go into, not humans.
although i am an athiest/agnostic (still rattleing my brain on which one i am) this man speaks a lot of sense and i respect him for that. he does not have to make treats to get your attention, rather to reason to the thinking man! problem is so many people are too narrow minded and too many evangelicals are making money to listen to this man
in the first 30 seconds it's already wrong. we dont go to heaven because we are "rewarded" for our goodness. the Bible says there is not one who is righteous, not one. this is typical catholic-style false gospel. all other man-made religions teach good works to go to heaven. thats NOT what the Bible teaches. heaven is for people who are forgiven of their sins through Christ. we can not "earn" our way to heaven. i wish ppl would stop mixing catholicism w/ the Bible. they're NOT the same. - peace.
He's not Catholic, but Episcopalianism is based off of Catholicism. And Pratt2181 you make a good point, but he could have meant that "goodness" means accepting Jesus and giving your life to Him, which is how many Protestant sects look at it these days. Rejection of God is considered the only evil that will damn you. His point was I think that humans can't know exactly what hell is so the church based it on something we know to be terribly painful: fire.
Let me ask you a serious question bornagain001. Do you think pasting bible verses into youtube is going to convert someone? It's a serious question, I'd really like to know.
Seriously...no. Conversion is NOT the reason. The majority of mankind lives in rebellion of God so ultimately, they live in Darkness. God's Word is the ONLY LIGHT (TRUTH) many of you will ever see.
whether you believe in god or not is your own decision but to believe in religion is an issue. i've always said that all religions are is a means for men to control other men. the idea of hell is one of those controls. if you don't do what your told and be a good christian your gonna be tortured for all eternity at the will of a god who "loves" you. religion is a crock of shit and if god exists i'm sure that being would say the same....
existance = existence. onto ? dude. credibility ?
Ozrender 1 month ago
Rob Bell's book "Love Wins" is a book all Christians and non christians alike should read. It's very similar to what this man is saying. It's life changing stuff, especially to open minded people who want to escape religion and become a part of something bigger.
Apocol0id 1 month ago
I never got the whole non believers go to hell. If Jesus dead for all mans sins. Why would he only pick a few people to go to heaven. Why would he burn 4 billion people non-believer for getting it wrong even if they where good people. I believe that there is God. But i just don't believe God is a Asshole. You know christian always talk about saving people. According to them most of everybody how ever lived is in Hell now. A true loving god should not act like the one that some believe in..
Tuber77 3 months ago
all the h8ters of this need to wake up hes a saint. HELL DOES NOT EXIST the reason for hell was always control and always will be control its pathetic the fact that you want to believe in place like that is sickening. Being human is all we can be life is wonderful thing and we should embrace being human and love one another for it. This guy knows what hes talking about
elsmosam 8 months ago
This man is an apostate.
mrtadreamer 9 months ago
@mrtadreamer amen to that, this guy, even by the standards of false teachers, is vile
FuroraCeltica 8 months ago
Gelnprato 9 months ago
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@Gelnprato And you're a moron who doesn't understand how the fucking keyboard works.
Darusdei 7 months ago
@Gelnprato do aliens on other planets know about jesus? and if not.. do they go to hell too? =)
lol.. i do believe in a afterlife just like the man in the video,i do believe in forces we cannot see with our eyes but we know for a FACT God did NOT write the bible.. it was many texts put into 1 making it a book.. they even found a new text a few years back and they are currently discussing adding it to the bible because it dates back to similar time periods and talks a tale about judas.. man made
Xirus5 3 months ago
@Gelnprato however i do not doubt the purpose of jesus.. but i do doubt in humanity.. christians HATE,judge and turn their back on people who dont share their religious view.. yet they have the nerv to say they are living the way of jesus.. i mean wtf.. jesus wasent even a christian because christianty was invented over 1000 years AD
Xirus5 3 months ago
It is really fair to punish a sinner for eternity?Average person lives around 70+ years more or less!If the earth were just pure sand and every 1 thousand years a dove came to pick up just 1 grain of sand til all the sand was gone,Is it really God's justice?This doctrine of hell is a misguided,errornous concept of what god is!2 peter says God does not take pleasure inthe destruction of man.the wage of sin is death(eternal death)only the good are to be with christ (2nd coming) 2 tesalon.
thrityyearsold 10 months ago
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Amen! Brother or sister...this GUY is acting as a mouth piece for SATAN in this video! This is some of the deception that the bible speaks of in the last days..PEOPLE SHOULD FLEE FROM THIS MANS CHURCH!
tkirtsey 10 months ago
Proof that SATAN has his minions even in the midst of humanity, that man speaking is a direct voice for the DEVIL and I would tell him that to his face, he demeans Messiah Jesus and speaks of us needing to attain to full humanity, is that man mad. To think these people have congregations, Oh Lord protect the flock which they scatter
MusingsOfAMoron 10 months ago
@MusingsOfAMoron Amen! Brother or sister...this GUY is acting as a mouth piece for SATAN in this video! This is some of the deception that the bible speaks of in the last days..PEOPLE SHOULD FLEE FROM THIS MANS CHURCH!
tkirtsey 10 months ago
@MusingsOfAMoron dude u are delusional
elsmosam 7 months ago
@elsmosam yeah obviously you are not, good destiny to you
MusingsOfAMoron 6 months ago
This guy's words are exactly how I feel about religions - they point us and give us and example.
BeAsTm0aD 11 months ago
Heresy.
bella50008 11 months ago
1) John Shelby Spong is a "new age" guru, not a Christian theologian; and certainly NOT a biblical Christian.
2) The doctrine of "hell" is NOT the issue; the issue is the "unconditional immortality", vs. the "conditional immortality" of the soul. The Scriptures are clear that the soul (man; life) is NOT immortal. Only the saints will receive immortality, and only at the 2nd Advent (1Cor.15:51-53).
rkg62976 11 months ago
@rkg62976 new age Guru lol - please give a reference to your bs..
henryforshaw 11 months ago
@henryforshaw Spong @1:11: "...people need to grow up and accept responsibility for themselves..". Spong, in his "new age" philosophy seems to think that the biblical doctrine of divine election and reprobation negates man's responsibility. Apparently, Mr. Spong doesn't comprehend the meaning of the word "responsibility". Responsibility means "to give a response". In the created order, the created must "give a response" to the Creator (the highest authority).
*Not "bs", just truth ;)
rkg62976 11 months ago
@rkg62976 1) Provide a reference please.
henryforshaw 11 months ago
@henryforshaw I've already given multiple references, and you've provided no substantive arguments to contribute to the discussion in any way.
rkg62976 11 months ago
@rkg62976 You dont know what a reference is, a reference is a source to your claims. Evidence to back up your claims, which there appears to be none... Why would I need to counter your point, when you have none.
henryforshaw 11 months ago
It's not Chrisianity that must change or die...it's Sponge that must change or die. He says people don't need to be born again, but Jesus says we must. This man is not only a heretic, but is demon possessed. This is where Carlton Pearson got most of his madness.
bella50008 1 year ago
@bella50008 you know nothing of the Gospels.
lskandarr 11 months ago
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henryforshaw 11 months ago
@bella50008 he says you dont need to be born again, but its not what he believes. He believes in being born again, but he is saying all will be born again. He is calling you childish and your comments justify his claims.
henryforshaw 11 months ago
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@henryforshaw .."He believes in being born again, but he is saying all will be born again. He is calling you childish and your comments justify his claims.
He specifically says people do not need to be born again, which is in direct contradiction to what the Bible says. He is calling God a liar, and your agreement with him seals your fate.
bella50008 11 months ago
It's not Chrisianity that must change or die...it's Sponge that must change or die.
bella50008 1 year ago
Of course there isn't a hell. Noone is born evil. Evil is simply created!
If a child is born into an abusive family, and he grows up in poverty, being bullied, beaten, sexually abused and knows nothing except hate, then is it really fair that he should go to hell? Of course not, he didn't choose it!
Also, of course christians are going to say that muslims/hindus/jews etc are going to hell and vice versa, thats how religion works! Its mean't to scare people into beliving!
OtakuPraetorius 1 year ago
I've heard to be a pastor or catholic priest you first have to be trained in the magic of dark arts. This vid tells the truth, hell is actually here on earth. The devil doesn't commit genocide, cause wars, rape women & children, or create financial debt. Man causes all these events to take place. When adults begin to take responsibility for their own actions, only then will this matrix crumble.
semnekar 1 year ago
"the function of the Christ is not to rescue the sinners, but to empower you and to call you to be more deeply and fully Human than you have ever realized there was the potential within you to be...maybe salvation needs to be conveyed in terms of enhancing your humanity - rather than rescuing you from it" ---quote from the guy in the vid.
^ HES KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT, THIS MAN IS VERY WISE~!!!!!!.
alter08 1 year ago
This man is the most sensible guy that I have heard to speak on this. I too feel that organized religions teach dependency on an external authority, so that we can be void of real self-responsibility and cosmic adulthood. I do feel that we do reap what we sow but in some eternal hell with demons brutalizing us? No, I am not buying it!
outofthisworldgurl 1 year ago
Oh no! This video has been inputted onto my Brian!
bencamp18 1 year ago
to bad know one does their research and find out the truth that hell was made after the life Jesus. the Bible teaches when we die... we die thats it
ThatOneGuy831 1 year ago
If you don't believe the Bible, why would you subject yourself to being a Christian? Life would be much easier if I could discount "love your enemies" and "take up your cross". If Jesus was just an ancient Tony Robins or Oprah, WHY O WHY would you SPEND YOUR LIFE following him?!
nluzwick1 1 year ago
Why do you let satan speak through your mouth?
mindovermuscle2 1 year ago
@1Masterofwar: Really? He talked to you? What'd he sound like? I always pictured a kinda Rex Harrison-y or Orson Wells-y voice, with a bit of Charlton Heston thrown in. I'd love to hear you do an impression of him - or perhaps his voice sounds a bit like your own? If you hear voices, there's medicine for that. It's called Clorazil.
c225b 1 year ago
I didn't watch this, because I do not want to input this into my brian.
Gmanlikeswaffles 1 year ago
i wish more people thought like this the world would get along so much better
guitarkid6999 1 year ago
Hell? Saving the best for last, you can't miss out. =]
PreppyPoser1 1 year ago
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bluetew37 1 year ago
The bible is a wicked evil book written by evil men being guided by evil wicked spirits... I asked God why the bible portrayed him so mean and vengeful? His exact words were this, "You cannot truly love that which you fear." I asked why would you demand sacrifice and blood payments? He replied, "I have NEVER once demanded sacrifice!!! I am GOD is there anything you have that I cannot have without you? NO That is the work of the beast that has enslaved my children." God is love, mercy, compassion
1Masterofwar 1 year ago
The Hellfire originates in and engulfs the hearts.” In that Light, ‘people carry their fire to Hell’. God does not punish anyone. Reward & Punishment are logical consequences of our deeds.
CREOLETHEFIST 1 year ago
@CREOLETHEFIST The law of KARMA darling, you got it.
hernandez152 1 year ago
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This is good. Thanx for the post. Im not a man of religion but the truth shows that we are living in a higher concious. We mimic the higher law. There no need for pastors emams, priest cause right and wrong has already been determind. Its the law. Hell is a state of mind, cause if a man can exsplain it(Donte) it means its only a state of miind thats living, cause a dead man does not right.. The fealing of error and constant cufusion behind the error bring on bad fealing and erratic emotions.
CREOLETHEFIST 1 year ago
This is good. Thanx for the post. Im not a man of religion but the truth shows that we are living in a higher concious. We mimic the higher law. There no need for pastors emams, priest cause right and wrong has already been determind. Its the law. Hell is a state of mind, cause if a man can exsplain it(Donte) it means its only a state of miind thats living, cause a dead man does not right.. The fealing of error and constant cufusion behind the error bring on bad fealing and erratic emotions.
CREOLETHEFIST 1 year ago
hell does not exist what the fuck u still belive in this shit in the 21st century u morons grow up
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
Why do people claim to have gone to hell if it doesn't exist? I am not saying it does or doesn't, but I wouldn't say it doesn't unless you truly know it. I don't know what is real but I am open to Jesus.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
Hell does exist, the question is, does it "literally" exist.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
Hell is no more than a myth, no less than a lie.
theNewCovenantGroup 1 year ago
Is Spong saying this supposed to be convincing
Hes a heretic.
Antisyncretism 1 year ago
In the Gospel of Thomas some dude asks Christ, he says, "So, people who do not follow you die and they retire to Gehenna?"
(Gehenna was this burning garbage pit outside of Babylon where people sacrificed babies and shit, in Judaism "Gehenna" is the closest thing they discuss to Hell)
And Christ says to the dude, "Yes." And then with this odd whimsy that Christ is rarely described as having, he smiled and whispered to the guy, "But I have a secret... They get out."
MellowChaos 1 year ago
Check out my "Hell does not exist!" series. (go through my profile and view uploads)
I've got 3 vids so far, and more in the works,
MellowChaos 1 year ago
"We probably in Hell already, our dumb-asses not knowing"- Tupac Shakur aka Makaveli
ajn41 1 year ago
I often wonder what christianity would be like if no one believed in hell....
PatrickTheSaxPlayer 1 year ago 3
Don't Qoute me on this, but I think that Bible Part1 didn't have a Hell.
aZeroGodist 1 year ago
@aZeroGodist
I know this is old but I wanted to respond to this. By now, I'm sure you know tis but there was no hell in the OT. The concept showed up after the Hebrews were freed from Babylonian captivity. Many scholars believe that Hell, Duality, etc, all came from Mithric religion, which was (this one) was a Persian belief and that's who freed them from Bab. captivity.
We don't really hear about hell until the NT, which I'm convinced the church had much to do with implementing it for control.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@aZeroGodist reilgon is power hunger, conforming people to society, and confusing. I believe in a higher being and many things, and also that hell dosent exist. Without religion their would be no more wars and divison. The only problem would be humanity and its morals.
kylee8767 1 year ago
@aZeroGodist As a very informed and well-read Christian, I can tell you that Hell is in neither the old or new testaments. It is a doctrine taken from other religions.
Bigsquid91 6 months ago
@PatrickTheSaxPlayer There probably would be a LOT less Christians because they wouldn't have to fear Hell, so they wouldn't have to submit to religion.
BlackNerd91 1 year ago
@PatrickTheSaxPlayer
Well, there are many different "denominations" of the church for a reason.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
PatrickTheSaxPlayer
It likely would have died out long, long ago!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@PatrickTheSaxPlayer Alot better than it is now.
royroy3 6 months ago
I respect this man! He seems like an intelligent and honest person. There should be more of his kind!
armelix73 2 years ago 3
I hear it's true that the afterlife actually has nothing to do with religion. :)
sonicmario64 2 years ago 9
@sonicmario64 i REAALLYYY hope your right,im not religious and happy :)
pinuttas 2 weeks ago
this preacher is one of the first I have heard that is telling it right. His teachings align with Michael Newton's findings and they are coming from two different directions ...hmmmmm interesting!
clausbohm 2 years ago
what has humanity to do than make up things about the unknown.
Peppepoppldoppl 2 years ago
Only 1 minute and 13 seconds into this video and the "Retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, NJ" has already called Jesus a liar twice. He is claiming there is no hell. Jesus taught there is a hell (Luke 16:23), he is claiming that you do not need to be born again, Jesus taught that you must be born again (John 3:7). He must know more than Jesus. Sad that people in the church listen to fools like this. THIS MAN IS A LIAR and the truth is NOT in him; Last day deceivers - Matt. 22:29
tek1001 2 years ago
Maybe u should do your own research and research the hebrew and greek txt in which the Bible you read ha sbeen translated from, u probabley find hell is not mentioned but the in the hebrew langauge u get the word sheol which means grave and the greek wor dis none other than Hades, U say Man is liar, well Man write ur Bible thats right MAN did, Hell is a lie just to control our minds
virtuallad06 2 years ago
try to exsplain exorcism father the existence of evil spirits where do they come umm is it hell evil is everywhere now i believe when the world returns to the same level of evil as sodom and gomarah the lord will return we are so close to that father so see ya in hell lol
cullinane8888 2 years ago
Exorcism is not real. There are no spirits, evil or otherwise. You are spouting dark age nonsense.
Try getting a modern education.
nashertheatheist 2 years ago 2
Hell doesnt exist, it was added by the church in the dark ages.
Hell simply meant 'the grave'.
The fire in the bible is symbolic for Gods wrath and his 'cleansing', SURE he will burn up sin, but its not forever, the world 'everlasting' was also changed by the church, in the original language it means basically 'a limited age/time'. 90% of the believers for 500 years after Christ believed in universal salvation. Google all i have said and find the truth.
Blessings.
thegrudgegit 2 years ago 2
Who wants to worship a ''god'' that burns, floods, murderers the first born of his own children, and call you ''born sinner'', ''heathen'' and ''pornography'' ?
Religions are lies written by murderous barbarians to control their population of slaves.
BeyondBeliefs 2 years ago 2
this is one of the best videos i have seen
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
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Boxcutter7 2 years ago
Absolutely correct.
Hell doesn't exist. Heaven doesn't exist. They are all man-made inventions to keep people subservient, dumbed-down and content in their miserable lives with the misguided notion that happiness will come in an afterlife. Yeah right .
So if Heaven and Hell doesn't exist, we can then go one step further and say "GOD doesn't exist".
Hallelujah to that.
hipbas 2 years ago
South Pacific - Happy Talk!
LMAO! That was wonderful, it was fantastic. :oP
Chiyo1967 2 years ago
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This guy is the biggest Douche I have ever seen, Through the yours Hes always been a Douche, but as the years go by this Douche just keep getting more and more.....Doucheier
Douche!!
springheeledjack8181 2 years ago
only 1,200 views..should be more...
k7twenty2 2 years ago 6
God bless this man! No one believes me maybe they'll believe him. Every damn word, whoohoo!!
addadhdnarc 2 years ago 4
How do you know what God where thinking? From the Bible? The one wich was written by humans centuries after that Jesus died, and is full of controversies because of it, and was canonised by the Church for it's own power?!
The bishop is right. Grow up people.
darkwindmill 2 years ago 3
people should go unpunished? Would someone like a god like that? No god created hell for people that rejected him no matter how much it may inconvenience you hell still exist. Look up videos of people who had near death experiences (yes I said this b4) they have seen hell.
blackdigr 2 years ago
are you fuckin serious?? what does it look like?? exactly like the old dirty men say it is??
bowezo 2 years ago 2
No, people have not seen hell, there are scientific explanations for NDEs. Why are they now still alive if there were going to hell?? God wanted them to testify? Wouldn't that ruin [blind] faith? Wouldn't those stories ruin faith, providing evidence? Eternal torture is not punishment for rejecting a god, even if you could see/hear that god!! GROW UP!! LET GO!!
Boxcutter7 2 years ago
But you must take into account other cultures around the world, only in catholic/cristian cultures people see angels and or hell during NDE's. They see images that apply to thier own cultures and religions. this implies that there experiences only relate to what the have been taught not a worldwide truth.
NOPEACE777 2 years ago 2
If hell was just something the church made up why didnt people simply speak out against it if it was not true? Didn't jesus speak of hell in the bible? Did he not say the truth would still be there whether or not it was convenient for anyone? If the bible was a complete lie why did not people speak out against it? The bible was not meant to hold god in a book but just xplain the truth of god and help people to find him and be truly happy? Would it be right for someone who has killed countless
blackdigr 2 years ago
Because you silly prick, if anyone spoke out about the bible were executed!!! Believe in god or die was the general thinking back then. If you have turned a blind eye to all the atrocities that religion has caused over the years then you are standard every day bible controlled sheep.
luvmaika 2 years ago
The man in the video speaks of dults as people who cannot be controlled, people of free will. While I do understand a bit of what he is saying in the eyes of an infinite-omniscient being we are children in his eyes. Hell does exist many people have experienced hell through near death experiences, they have seen heaven. They described a place of fiery death and torment, millions of people burning in flames etc. Jesus preached of hell as well in the bible, the same way as people in ndes.
blackdigr 2 years ago
Hell was a place created for the evil and his fallen angels. God did not intend for anyone to go there but for those who reject god go there. Not exactly sure if the church is somehow controlling me because of fear of hell (hell SHOULD be feared) I chose to serve god out of my own free will. And if the church did want to control people through fear of hell then they have failed miserably just by looking at our current society. Perhaps hell isnt a firy place but it is a seperation from god.
blackdigr 2 years ago
Sir, you are an opportunist. You come across the Good Book, pick and chose what you like, what you know will sell to the ignorant, compliance masses, and come up with your own religion so you can receive a tax exempt organization to make what you call a living. May God have mercy on those fools you deceive, and may you not end up in that place you say does not exist.
cjwood1000 2 years ago
this guy is right on.
KOKID83 2 years ago
I think is guy has got it spot on, although I admit he doesn't sound like a Christian!
Fear and vengence are at the heart of religion. The cruel and twisted morality of the bible is something I find quite abhorent.
laserboy75 2 years ago
"Why Christianity Must Change or Die." "Bishop" Spong doesn't get it. Christ laid out truth. That truth cannot change no matter how inconvenient it may be for the people who hear it. That truth cannot waver no matter how uncomfortable accepting it may be. It is not Christianity that needs to change; it is the world.
2008805 2 years ago
o shit.......that makes since
lilsadiq 2 years ago
and this guy is suppose to be a preist?! wat a nut
shayibtuna 2 years ago
EXACTLY! YES! THANKYOU! Religion is a path to the destination, not the destination itself.
JustinHill47 2 years ago
load of bollocks live life to the fall and dont be religious its a waist of life plz dnt be in a religion just be normal and if u have to do bad stuff then do it.
boscman101 2 years ago
Its about time someone tell the truth about religions and the madness of humanity.
sladeissatan 2 years ago
this guy doesn't get it.
victormania2008 2 years ago
This video has got 777 views
rofl
DEFINEMETAL 2 years ago
Well it had 2618 views in its short life on Cruciefiction's channel and if you don't believe me, I have updated my Vlog on mian page as "proof", so you came on this channel to attack this video, so unchristian (or is that the true face of christianity). God cannot stand on his own feet, I am sure Jesus would be turning in his grave after seeing one of his sons acting so childish.
aZeroGodist 2 years ago
dude,
777 views,
dont you know what that number is?
its the number god, 777...
thats what i was trying to say dude,
i wasnt being childish.
:(
DEFINEMETAL 2 years ago
I apologize, never heard of that, and just Wiki-ed it. Thought you where refering to the vid.
aZeroGodist 2 years ago
ok,
:)
DEFINEMETAL 2 years ago
Do some research on the numbers 6 and 7 in the bible. Pagan beliefs that found it's way into this faith....
robotwookie 2 years ago
I just had a thought..with regards to being "born into sin"..look back at your childhood, waayyy back. I can remember glimpses of being like 1 and 2 years old, and not having a negative intention towards anyone or any thing..not blaming anyone for anything..
it's only as we got older that we started sinning and things went wrong. we were taught sins! I think this earth is truly a battlefield between good and evil. We were given a way out, and it's Jesus. Without him we wouldn't stand a chance.
bluehorse888 3 years ago
I KNEW IT!!!!
xxxIzzieIzStrangexxx 3 years ago
This man will just confirm that which you want to hear. He states that to be fully human we have to completely rely on our sense of self-enhancement. This is a pure humanist approach and is clearly not from God.
If you do not wish to believe in God for whatever reason, you have further to search for a justification than youtube.
God created people that can reason, but how they reason is up to them.
Satan deceives. Would he really want you to know he exists?
chmarshall81 3 years ago
Actually the belief in God (theist) has nothing to do with any authoritative religion, if anything religion constantly goes against the meaning of God, for it's own agenda.
Also If the devil or even god for that matter existed, it would want people to know it existed, but as there is no "Aello I'm 'ere" shows that the idea that (Satan deceives) would equally applies to God deceives.
Now the so called devil's meant to be seeking power, you can't run in an election if you don't canvass
aZeroGodist 3 years ago
Your statement on religious agendas is an over-generalisation.
Your second statement is myopic. God is all that is life and love and Satan is against God. That means the exact opposite. Satan's agenda is not just for us to serve him, but to destroy us and to keep us away from God out of his hatred for God.
You would not serve someone who hates you and wants to destroy you because you are made in God's image.
You are rationalising the spiritual world from a biased perspective.
chmarshall81 3 years ago
myopic: I like that. Maybe, and even could just make stuff up as I am free to do so, especially with something I consider made up in the 1st century.
Now as to not serving someone that you might hate like Mr. Brown? but he sure is doing a swell job of destroying your country, I suppose at least the pope -(if your RC) & god will come to save the day.
Considering I feel I am a very spiritual person, and did believe in the jesus-god, but many parts of RC seemed just plain silly.
aZeroGodist 3 years ago
what happened to crucie? Has he come back with a new user name. Fuck I loved his vids.....
dontforgettheballs 3 years ago
this guy makes sense
i think its ridiculous that people can claim that they know what god wants for humanity, or that they are the word of god.
if god is as great as they claim, he would not invest his power in a human system such as catholocism
Sh4rk4ttacks 3 years ago
hell does exist if there was no hell ppl would have the easy way out...if there is no hell most likely there is no heaven that means u only get heaven and punishment is no heaven?
andreplaya 3 years ago
do you really want hell to exist? Can any human really deserve Hell? Now I dont pretend to know what justice is from the standpoint of God, but I have heard that Hell or "Gehenna" was a physical lake of fire near Jerusalem. It was a garbage dump! And the pitt I think was created for higher beings, like fallen angels to go into, not humans.
bluehorse888 3 years ago
Hehe. He's telling people to grow up and at the same time wearing that ridiculous collar costume. What a joke.
JoppaMill 3 years ago
what the heck !? why was Cruciefiction suspended. This is BS.
marco9bear 3 years ago
although i am an athiest/agnostic (still rattleing my brain on which one i am) this man speaks a lot of sense and i respect him for that. he does not have to make treats to get your attention, rather to reason to the thinking man! problem is so many people are too narrow minded and too many evangelicals are making money to listen to this man
tillbot8 3 years ago
I like shelby Spong, I agree with him on a lot of issues.
Starcomet 3 years ago
Free CrucieFiction!!!!!!
ez2524 3 years ago 2
He is right on very much so!
8421128 3 years ago
in the first 30 seconds it's already wrong. we dont go to heaven because we are "rewarded" for our goodness. the Bible says there is not one who is righteous, not one. this is typical catholic-style false gospel. all other man-made religions teach good works to go to heaven. thats NOT what the Bible teaches. heaven is for people who are forgiven of their sins through Christ. we can not "earn" our way to heaven. i wish ppl would stop mixing catholicism w/ the Bible. they're NOT the same. - peace.
pratt2181 3 years ago
He's not Catholic
sojoyful 3 years ago
He's not Catholic, but Episcopalianism is based off of Catholicism. And Pratt2181 you make a good point, but he could have meant that "goodness" means accepting Jesus and giving your life to Him, which is how many Protestant sects look at it these days. Rejection of God is considered the only evil that will damn you. His point was I think that humans can't know exactly what hell is so the church based it on something we know to be terribly painful: fire.
readc2007 3 years ago
He sounds like a sort-of-enlightened Ronald Reagan.
jonsonbrown 3 years ago
This guys would get on well with Lloyd Geering. Check out 'the last western heretic' videos.
artyfarty2 3 years ago
Brilliant Man!
I think he's a little naive to believe in a god and/or afterlife without evidence. But he's got the rest bang on!
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago
Brilliant Man!
I think he's a little naive to believe in a god and/or afterlife without evidence. But he's got the rest bang on!
"And he (Christ) spoke a parable to them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? LUKE 6:39
bornagain001 3 years ago
Let me ask you a serious question bornagain001. Do you think pasting bible verses into youtube is going to convert someone? It's a serious question, I'd really like to know.
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago 2
Seriously...no. Conversion is NOT the reason. The majority of mankind lives in rebellion of God so ultimately, they live in Darkness. God's Word is the ONLY LIGHT (TRUTH) many of you will ever see.
bornagain001 3 years ago
5 Star & Faved!!!!
thruthem 3 years ago
Oh, he's definitely a New Ager.
Linkent 3 years ago
This guy is old.
Linkent 3 years ago
Well still delusional but still quite possibly the BEST PRIEST EVER!
snugsaltynutz 3 years ago
whether you believe in god or not is your own decision but to believe in religion is an issue. i've always said that all religions are is a means for men to control other men. the idea of hell is one of those controls. if you don't do what your told and be a good christian your gonna be tortured for all eternity at the will of a god who "loves" you. religion is a crock of shit and if god exists i'm sure that being would say the same....
hellshade2 3 years ago
WOW! A priest making sense? Now i have seen it all!
ivarbt 3 years ago 2
Amazing rationalizations by this guy, maybe he helps to make moderates from fundies, but I think his angle is just one of many for profit.
freebaker 3 years ago
lol!!!! Oh how the evangelicals will love this one...
flergalwit 3 years ago 2
Apparently they already showed their love by getting CrucieFied suspended.
TETSUno1 3 years ago
CrucieFiction I meant.. brain fell asleep.
TETSUno1 3 years ago