I dare you to go in to your king james bible and look for the word trinity or rapture its NOT there! ALL through the Bible its speaks of the god head 3 individual people. I believe that Jesus and God the Father act as one but are not one. Because it says that in the bible. I don't believe that Mormons worship a different Christ, because there is only one. not 3 like the trinity. thats just dumb. May God bless you and soften your heart to help you to really search your scriptures and your heart.
@chadro85 whoa dude :) I just read further and see that you believe that you can be "good" enough to be with God in the end..... We can NEVER be good enough!! Jesus said I Am the Way the Truth and the Life! No one can come to the Father but by Me!!!! Please I pray get that revelation from God's Word! Not from the BOM either, Please! I want to see you in Heaven one day! Blessings to you!
@chadro85 actually I'm a dudette , Hizwilbdun is speaking of God's will be done through His Holy Spirt living in me. Mormons don't believe in the TRUE Jesus. What I mean by that is they lessen His deity! They don't believe that He IS God and or in the trinity. That is unfortunate because then they are considered by God's Word to be false prophets bringing another gospel and preaching another Jesus! May God bless and direct them into the Truth!! Amen!!
Mitt Romney believes he will become a literal God and be given his own planet! This is true! If you want the truth about the Mormon Religion, you have to read this book!
CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? THE MORMON CHURCH VERSUS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
LDS NOT true Christians and Jesus's TRUE followers ( well the followers of the TRUE Jesus) will be persecuted as it states in His Word. LDS do not compare yourselves as such. LDS is attacked because it is of a false doctrine!! May God open your spiritual eyes, in Jesus name, Amen!!
@DanDenali well i don't know if you read the wrong reply or somthing but my comment "mormons beileve in jesus dude" was going towards "hizwilbdun" not you. i was saying that to him because hes commenting like mormons don't beileve / follow jesus (when they actually do beileve in jesus )
from conference this weekend: the bible is like a point in math. if your drawing a line through the point there are a lot of diff. ways to look at it. but then if you draw a line through two point then there is only one way to look at it. the book of mormon is that 2nd point. p.s. god didnt make a mistake for some reason that we dont know for sure he told us to have multiple wives just for a certain period im assuming for lack of righteous men. and yes GOD talked to our prophet to stop it later
@IIxXafromanXxII Did he talk to your prophet about being an adulterer, and a liar, and a plagiarist thief, and a fourtune teller-(you would say seer, but not a Biblical seer) too? If God wanted a second point He would have handled that way before the early 1800's!!
So sad to see so many good and ignorant people having to go to hell. Mormonism is NOT a monotheistic "religion". If Jesus is not the same being as GOD and all good Mormons become Gods, how can they claim to be Christian when the Bible says there is only ONE GOD? Think about it stupidheads!! Mormonism is NOT Christianity. It is a cult! May Jesus have mercy on your souls!
@DanDenali well its far from a cult for sure but i think your missing some things. like we beileve we and all people are children of god. and if we are good and try our best we can go back and live with him some day. or "live LIKE a god"
@chadro85 I have terrible news for you. Satan believes in Jesus too. That doesn't mean squat. Muslims believe in Jesus too. That doesn't mean squat. What does that tell you: believing in Jesus alone does not make one Christian. YOU FAIL.
try reading the bible and Find the Biblical definition of Jesus Christ... you'll find it's not the tale of an exalted man... as Mormons don't tell until you're already sunk!
I relized how insensitive that sounded. I honestly didn't mean to come off like that. I just don't believe in a lot of the Mormon teachings. Mostly because some of it goes directly against what Jesus has said. I believe in Jesus, and i believe it is my job on this earth to save who i can. It just frusterates me though when you guys say you're orthodox christians. You're not. Please someone comment back, I want a conversation with someone! God bless!
Great talk by Elder Hales. Anyone can discover the truths found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints if they are sincere and want to ask God through prayer and study.
I did and have discovered and re-discovered precious truths over and and over again. What a wonderful faith to belong to!
@DrTerminus If your faith is true, why does it keep changing fundamental tenets of it's belief? For example: polygamy and blacks? If TRUTH has to changed, was it NOT TRUE to begin with? I know GOD gave you a brain...do not insult him by not using it. And don't give me the likely excuse of "we received revelations from God"...because that is admission that GOD made a mistake. The God of the Bible is perfect and does NOT make mistake. Mormonism is a mistake.
@DanDenali Why are you so threatened by Mormon belief? What are you so afraid of? Since you pride yourself in using your brain, tell me about how much homework you've done on the LDS religion. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Are you familiar with the 13 Articles of Faith? I would venture that you scarcely know a thing about Mormon beliefs in their correct context. You cannot form any intelligent arguments so you resort to name-calling like "stupidheads." Truly brilliant.
@DrTerminus 1. I'm not threatened by a false prophet. 2. I'm afraid for you because you're obviously an idiot for not being able to answer MY questions and instead dodge them with other questions. 3. I've done more than you have to know how false the Book of Mormon is. What pomposity to assume you're the only one who has read it and understood it. 4. I've made my argument and you skirted it so conveniently like the stupidhead that you are. You just proved it.
How can anyone who never met this man called Jesus tell me or anyone else what he said--like they were there and wrote it down and had it witnessed for all time. Dude, you are a BS Artist, you have no idea if Jesus as a man ever actually lived, let alone what he might have said ver batum.
Mormonism begins with an outright attack on every religious belief except itself, by declaring that every religion except Mormonism is an abomination in the sight of God, Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith History 1:17,18. Then plays the poor picked on us card, when the lies that they teach are exposed to the light of truth.
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 misquoted and misunderstood. Although the texts in the Book of Mormon may be quite extreme, it does not mean that people outside of the church will burn in hell because they never got the chance to learn the truth. We actually believe that people get second chances. We do this by baptizing people, and even the dead; which is clearly misunderstood all the time, because no one can comprehend why. And once people are baptized, Jesus Christ will be the one to judge individuals.
@HeyJicay I believe if you asked Joseph, he would have said the quote said what it meant, and meant what it said. Mormonism cannot possibly be true, if every other religion is not an abomination in the sight of God. If every other religion is not an abomination in the sight of God, Mormonism most assuredly is. Baptism is only a symbolic testimony to the world of what God has done in a persons life. If God has not entered a persons life, they are only getting wet if they get baptized. Read John 3
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 Oh, wow. Do you know Joseph Smith personally? WOW, that's amazing! You must've lived for a hundred years and more. Oh, my. How was he? Oh if every other religion is not an abomination? One definition of the word Abomination is; "a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination. ". During the time when the book of Mormon was written (written not translated) (part 1)
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 the word may describe people's actions back then! meaning, God disliked people from other churches' actions! NOT THE CHURCH ITSELF. Just like how a mother would hate a child's tantrums, but she would still love her child. Aren't you just being a hypocrite? You're saying that we are saying that other churches are an abomination, but you, sire, stand here saying that our church is an abomination (part 2)
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 HYPOCRITE. Baptism isn't only a testimony, it's a way in which we are cleansed of our sins! Jesus Christ himself, being the perfect role model he is, agreed to be baptized, even though he was perfect, in order to show people that WE NEED to be baptized. It is the shedding of our sins, and a way in order in which Jesus Christ could judge us! God entering a person's life may mean several things! (part 3)
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 It could mean that following god's commandments and obeying him is a way in which we could let him INTO OUR LIVES. Meaning, if we live the life our heavenly father would, that means we are letting him into a person's life. And as people do those things, and let him into our lives, we won't ONLY GET WET, we will be baptized. thank you. godbless.
@HeyJicay The wages of sin (any sin, lying, coveting, stealing, etc. ever in our lives) is death Romans 3:23. Eternal life is a gift of God Romans 6:23. We are saved by grace, not works Romans 11:6 Ephesians 2:8-10. Christ did not die, so we could possibly earn and deserve heaven. He died because we all have earned and deserve death and Hell. Jesus is the One and only God, in human flesh. Isaiah 43:10,11 John 1:1-3,14 John 4:24. God expects us to be perfect. Only Christ can make us that way.
ummumm im pretty sure he didnt address accusations about weird stuff they believe he just said that we reject them because they are not of the world real helpful not rejejecting or aggreeing with accusations
@sarahtothluvskevin Do you know anything about the church? Do you understand it with all your heart? I bet you're just scrolling around the internet looking for Anti-mormon sites and making your assumptions based on that! Atleast talk to a missionary and ask him the things you doubt. And then once you've gotten to read the Book of Mormon, and learned a little, PRAY. Pray to the heavenly father and ask him all your questions.
@pdgpb1 Wake up foolish ,lest the wrath of GOD come upon you as a theif in the night.You are being lied to.
Galatians 1-8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
Deuteronomy 4:2
“You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you”
@roxfoot Actually, Jesus Christ, the lord, and every other prophet and angel gave Joseph Smith the authority to preach. The Book of Mormon does not add to the bible or take away from it, it is only another testament about Jesus Christ and his teachings.
@HeyJicay if you like i could show you 27 verse's from the bible that teach one ,1,GOD,not many ,or i could show you the verse's that say we are saved by faith ,period ,or the verse's that declare that all the prophets are done away with after CHRIST ,that the cross not the garden ,the father the son and the spirit are all one ,or would you like me to show you the verse where GOD said he is the beginning and the end of all things ,as is CHRIST ,and not created as smith said ,thats adding
@roxfoot Faith, faith in HIM! Faith in him, to follow his commandments! To do what he tells us to do! That is to be baptized! Isn't that what he has said?! Isn't that what Jesus Christ has showed us so that we can FOLLOW his LEAD? FAITH is so universal! It means so much more than just the word! Faith in god, to trust in him, and in his love, faith to follow his commandments. THAT IS THE FAITH IN WHICH IT SPEAKS ABOUT. (part 1)
@HeyJicay but the book of mormon in mornoi 10-32 .tells you to rid yourself of all ungodliness ,
the Bible says
ROMANS 10-3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God. 2nephi says "grace after all you can do"
ephesians declares grace is a gift not of works less any man should boast
clearly someone is telling you lies ,
as joe was a 33rd degre mason ,my guess would be him
@roxfoot The priesthood was restored by Heavenly father and Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith! The father, the son, and the spirit, are all ONE. They are one. They work in collaboration with each other to go through the plan of salvation, and for the success of mankind. God is the beginning, he began everything, and he will end things. You make these assumptions without even learning yourself. Not just the surface...not just the surface.
@HeyJicay having done a long study on the area of the Melchizedek priesthood ,there is no way in joe or anyone holds this position ,another lie ,
please do not assume ignorance on my part as to do so only displays false superiority ,indicitive of people who have fallin for the lie of self above CHRIST
"God is the beginning, he began everything"
joe did say i will tell you how GOD became GOD ,
so either your lying or unaware of your own church history
Just because Mormons accept Jesus as their savior, does not exponge the fact that they believe that they are above all other Cristians. That their higher knowledge of the Celestial Kindom will grant them powers. #wack!!
@j100035554 I'm a convert to the LDS church and nobody I know in the church thinks we are "above all other Christians." That's not what the church teaches at all.
@j100035554 Wow, you are so prejudiced. Have you actually heard a member of the church SAY that we are above all other christian churches? WOW, non right? Because you have never met one, talked to one, or actually became friends with one. Yeah, that's right. Nada. All you do is scroll around the internet and make assumptions based on Anti-Mormon websites.
How can you worship a god that hates blacks, gays and women? Oh, old testament you say? How can you worship an imperfect god? How can the words of a god be twisted and mended, by man, to fit in with this changing world? Hypocrisy all over your face. Fuck your god, and all gods for that matter. I am the only God.
smackbunny, quantum,kluge. I am not Mormon, but know many. The things you comment are ignorant, childish and simpletonistic. (sorry, I will choose easy words from this point on). they are great and loving people. Polygamy was all through-out the old testament, read it all next time. I am black and they readily accept me, and not condoning gays, so that makes them not christians. tell me then, are catholics not christians? If they accepted gays, would they then be "Christians"?
@sureman1964 revelation 17 ,clearly defines the catholic chuch as the mother of all harlots ,one of which is mormonism ,
Romans 1
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Black people are the curse of Cain? Can't receive Priesthood? Can be admitted into heaven, but only as a slave? I draw the line there and you should too. Stop wasting your life on this racist religion.
@QuantumKhaos Actually, the church is the first church to accept slaves into the church. On 1930 an African American man named Elijah was accepted into the priesthood. Now tell me, what churches did that? hm?
What!! Mormons believe they are hated because they are gods disciples? So it has nothing to do with racial profiling and gay hating and polygamy and a bunch of guys sharing the same woman? oh yeah it has to be because you love Jesus.
If he wishes to be taken seriously in this regard, he should instruct his missionaries to stop telling people the early Church was all apostate. I was so irretated when the very young elders came to me in my hospital bed & told me that the whole of Christ's Church had gone apostate by 50 A.D. This is when many of the Apostles were still alive! Certainly the great St. John the Revelator was still alive. This doctrine is an insult to all Christ's Apostles as they chose their sucessors.
This guy ever so suttley says christ was rejected by the world...ummm by the world??? by the world he says...what a bold faced lie. They lie so much it comes out so natural and smooth as if it were true! Jesus was despised by the jewish leaders at that time..."NOT" the world!.
If you play it back a few times this guy ever so suddley says christ was rejected by the world...they lie so much it comes out so natural and smooth as if it were true!
@BlackEyeBeatings We cannot change human nature, we understand that humans cannot be perfect, lest they be baptized by the fire of the spirit. Yet we will keep trying to be as perfect as God is, though it is an almost endless fight.
@BlackEyeBeatings Boom, headshot!! Fully agree with everything you just said. There are tons of things about Mormonism that just do not make sense to me. I go by the bible and what it says, not what some nut job guy with 30-40 wives says. He was only in it for the fame, money and women.
@BlackEyeBeatings Oh we don't believe in the same Christ? The one that loved us and died for us, so that we can live with our heavenly father again? Is that not the same christ? The one who died in a cross, and sweat blood? The one crowned with thorns, who was spit at, despised, betrayed, mercilessly whipped? Oh, that's not the same christ? Oh then which christ is yours? hm? The definition of Christianity is literally followers of Christ, and is the church not a follower of christ?
A quick shout out to others that would make the mistake of touting "truth" without proof. Faith, is not truth. Please don't confuse the two as MrNinjorman has done. It's fine to espouse your faith.. but please... without proof.. don't dare call it truth.
The issue that I and others have with the book of Mormon is that ALL proof points against it as fact. If you want to say it's allegory and though it never happened it has a lesson..fine. If, however, you call it fact..get ready to prove it.
@PaleHearse Faith is believing that something is true. BELIEVING BELIEVING BELIEVING. Believing without physical evidence, because in our hearts we feel it. It may sound ridiculous, but it's the only thing I can say about your comment. If you don't agree with a person's faith, then just leave them alone and get on with your life. Or maybe ask god. ASK HIM. STOP ASKING GOOGLE OR THE INTERNET.
Why not be honest and tell everyone that you believe in a different Jesus than Christians do? A horse is a horse, it's not a kitchen sink right? The name of the church wasn't their first pick either.
@awolLDSasap The same Jesus that died in a cross so that we can be saved from our sins? The one who loves us and wants us to succeed? Who sweat blood, and was mercilessly whipped? Wait every body else has a different Jesus? Oh really? I didn't know that, I thought the Catholics believed in Jesus CHRIST as well. And I remember checking up on other churches and in what they believe in. Strange, I never knew. Funny thing huh.
This is so true. I honestly don't care what the internets or the people 'of the world' believe we're all about. Because honestly, over 80 % of the stuff on the net is absolute rubbish. I truely feel sorry for those who can't accept the gospel, it has helped me so much in my life.
It's the separation between truth and rubbish that is the hallmark of the "attacks" of the mormon religion today. When Smith fabricated what he wrote, he could not have imagined that a mere 30-40 years later there would be a scientific awakening that would cast doubt on his work of fiction. No evidence what so ever for elephants, horses, steel weapons, coins, metal scrolls or plate writing nor ANY of the cities or peoples mentioned. That's not "the net" it's simple truth and reality.
after all that Joseph Smith did, after enduring so many trials, tribulations, and persecutions brought on by people like you, going through so much hard work to translate the Book of Mormon, and being hated by so many, do you REALLY think that he would suffer all of that to protect a lie?
he died to protect the truth. a truth that you and those like you attack at any opportunity. knock it off.
The short answer to that is no.. but then I'm not the kind of person who would get so wrapped up in a lie that it would become all I am. Remember the time that Joseph Smith was born in. To him, being a charlatan was all he knew. People were easier to fool back then and he was smart enough to fool them. He discovered not everyone could be fooled but enough were that he had a following that kept bread on the table. That.. is what he was fighting for, and it was a lie to die for.
A good man with a criminal record as a charlatan. Look.. you asked.. I gave you my opinion on the matter. I can't really honestly do any more than that for you. The rest is up to you.
@PaleHearse WOULD SOMEONE GO THAT FAR FOR A LIE????? WOULD SOMEONE GO THAT FAR?? TELL ME. HUH??? WHAT KIND OF PERSON WOULD GO FAR FOR A "LIE"????????????????????? CAN YOU TELL ME WHO??? DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF?? " That.. is what he was fighting for, and it was a lie to die for." Smart enough to fool them? Would you die for a lie? Can you? huh? Can you? NO. Even that kind of logic is contradictory.
He was fighting to maintain the only way of life he knew, that of a charlatan. His concocted religion and his followers put bread on his table and made him feel important.
Many have suffered and died when the lies they create become all they are, just as it was for Smith..so yes..that's what I'm saying happened. Nothing contradictory in what we see happening all around us every day.
Smith eventually pissed off so many people he had a shootout with a mob that came to wring his neck.
@PaleHearse THE LIES THEY CREATE. Do you hear yourself? Put bread on his table...oh dear lord. Do you even know what everyone went through? How could you say that they created a lie when a lot of people endured to the end.., how could you say it's a lie? How could you say these things??? Seriously, have you even met a person who would go that far of dying just to protect their lie? Not a lot of people could do that. No one's that desperate. They endured because they knew it was the truth.
Jim Jones followers endured to the end as well. When faced with a charismatic charlatan promising the path to an eternal afterlife.. many folks will follow to the end. That's not a sign that they were right..only that someone was good at fooling them or forcing them to obey.
ahaha anyone can make shit up if i told a hundred people that jews suck dick to move up in there church and they told people and so fourth dous that make it true all those blogs or reports could be fake but no you have to believe it show me proff as in the thomas s monson saying anything the blogs or reports say
i aint mormon either ive gone to almost every church even sienceology were they cmbine both its fucken wierd you got to go
@ro121291 First, learn to spell. Second, you think Joseph Smith made things up? Wow, that's amazing. Do you think he would go through the long hours of translating because he wanted to make something up? Do you think he would've suffered the physical injuries and death just so he could make something up? My, my. that's amazing. Thank you for your wisdom, it is a pleasure to see such fine logic. You should go to Harvard, I bet you'd be the smartest kid EVER.
Let's get this straight.. he wasn't "translating" anything. He was doing what he knew best..scrying. He tossed a "seeer stone" into a hat to give some semblance of mystical credibility to the whole charade and then see what he could make of it.
This kind of thing is pretty common actually, and it's quite easy to see how hucksters and con artists get caught up in things that eventually get them tossed in jail for decades. In the 1800's it usually ended with a pistol ball...and it did.
@PaleHearse OH WOW. WOULD HE GO THAT FAR JUST TO BE A CON ARTIST?? WOULD HE ENDURE HARRASMENTS AND ALL THOSE KILLINGS JUST SO HE COULD BE A CON ARTIST??? WOULD HE GO AS FAR TO DIE JUST SO HE COULD BE A CON ARTIST????? HE ONLY DID THOSE THINGS BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE!
@DefendingMormonism No that was a terrible stupid meandering point, based on a book that is largely forged and plagiarized...congratulations you failed critical thinking
@DefendingMormonism ,Wake up foolish ,lest the wrath of GOD come upon you as a theif in the night.You are being lied to.
Galatians 1-8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
Deuteronomy 4:2
“You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you”
Romney is the anti god
deoriginalish87 1 week ago
I dare you to go in to your king james bible and look for the word trinity or rapture its NOT there! ALL through the Bible its speaks of the god head 3 individual people. I believe that Jesus and God the Father act as one but are not one. Because it says that in the bible. I don't believe that Mormons worship a different Christ, because there is only one. not 3 like the trinity. thats just dumb. May God bless you and soften your heart to help you to really search your scriptures and your heart.
candymandi08 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@chadro85 whoa dude :) I just read further and see that you believe that you can be "good" enough to be with God in the end..... We can NEVER be good enough!! Jesus said I Am the Way the Truth and the Life! No one can come to the Father but by Me!!!! Please I pray get that revelation from God's Word! Not from the BOM either, Please! I want to see you in Heaven one day! Blessings to you!
Hizwilbdun 2 months ago
@chadro85 actually I'm a dudette , Hizwilbdun is speaking of God's will be done through His Holy Spirt living in me. Mormons don't believe in the TRUE Jesus. What I mean by that is they lessen His deity! They don't believe that He IS God and or in the trinity. That is unfortunate because then they are considered by God's Word to be false prophets bringing another gospel and preaching another Jesus! May God bless and direct them into the Truth!! Amen!!
Hizwilbdun 2 months ago
Mitt Romney believes he will become a literal God and be given his own planet! This is true! If you want the truth about the Mormon Religion, you have to read this book!
CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? THE MORMON CHURCH VERSUS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
certainlytruthful 2 months ago
The last refuge of a man with no answers or logical arguments:
-Jesus
-Say " I know it in my heart"
- Say " I know it is true, I can feel it"
-Revelations thru dreams and delusions
-Saying " pray for answers"
guayacan07 3 months ago
I have a question. This is a video response but I would really like to know answers to those questions. Can you answer any please?
SOCALxBLONDE 3 months ago
LDS NOT true Christians and Jesus's TRUE followers ( well the followers of the TRUE Jesus) will be persecuted as it states in His Word. LDS do not compare yourselves as such. LDS is attacked because it is of a false doctrine!! May God open your spiritual eyes, in Jesus name, Amen!!
Hizwilbdun 3 months ago
@Hizwilbdun mormoms beileve in jesus dude
chadro85 2 months ago
@chadro85 So do Muslims and so does Satan, so what exactly is your point?
DanDenali 2 months ago
@DanDenali well i don't know if you read the wrong reply or somthing but my comment "mormons beileve in jesus dude" was going towards "hizwilbdun" not you. i was saying that to him because hes commenting like mormons don't beileve / follow jesus (when they actually do beileve in jesus )
chadro85 2 months ago
from conference this weekend: the bible is like a point in math. if your drawing a line through the point there are a lot of diff. ways to look at it. but then if you draw a line through two point then there is only one way to look at it. the book of mormon is that 2nd point. p.s. god didnt make a mistake for some reason that we dont know for sure he told us to have multiple wives just for a certain period im assuming for lack of righteous men. and yes GOD talked to our prophet to stop it later
IIxXafromanXxII 3 months ago
@IIxXafromanXxII Did he talk to your prophet about being an adulterer, and a liar, and a plagiarist thief, and a fourtune teller-(you would say seer, but not a Biblical seer) too? If God wanted a second point He would have handled that way before the early 1800's!!
Hizwilbdun 3 months ago
So sad to see so many good and ignorant people having to go to hell. Mormonism is NOT a monotheistic "religion". If Jesus is not the same being as GOD and all good Mormons become Gods, how can they claim to be Christian when the Bible says there is only ONE GOD? Think about it stupidheads!! Mormonism is NOT Christianity. It is a cult! May Jesus have mercy on your souls!
DanDenali 4 months ago
@DanDenali well its far from a cult for sure but i think your missing some things. like we beileve we and all people are children of god. and if we are good and try our best we can go back and live with him some day. or "live LIKE a god"
chadro85 2 months ago
@chadro85 I have terrible news for you. Satan believes in Jesus too. That doesn't mean squat. Muslims believe in Jesus too. That doesn't mean squat. What does that tell you: believing in Jesus alone does not make one Christian. YOU FAIL.
DanDenali 2 months ago
Thanks for the vid. I loved it :)
saturno3292 4 months ago
try reading the bible and Find the Biblical definition of Jesus Christ... you'll find it's not the tale of an exalted man... as Mormons don't tell until you're already sunk!
54v115 4 months ago
*realized
sarahtothluvskevin 5 months ago
I relized how insensitive that sounded. I honestly didn't mean to come off like that. I just don't believe in a lot of the Mormon teachings. Mostly because some of it goes directly against what Jesus has said. I believe in Jesus, and i believe it is my job on this earth to save who i can. It just frusterates me though when you guys say you're orthodox christians. You're not. Please someone comment back, I want a conversation with someone! God bless!
sarahtothluvskevin 5 months ago
Great talk by Elder Hales. Anyone can discover the truths found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints if they are sincere and want to ask God through prayer and study.
I did and have discovered and re-discovered precious truths over and and over again. What a wonderful faith to belong to!
DrTerminus 5 months ago 2
@DrTerminus If your faith is true, why does it keep changing fundamental tenets of it's belief? For example: polygamy and blacks? If TRUTH has to changed, was it NOT TRUE to begin with? I know GOD gave you a brain...do not insult him by not using it. And don't give me the likely excuse of "we received revelations from God"...because that is admission that GOD made a mistake. The God of the Bible is perfect and does NOT make mistake. Mormonism is a mistake.
DanDenali 4 months ago
@DanDenali Why are you so threatened by Mormon belief? What are you so afraid of? Since you pride yourself in using your brain, tell me about how much homework you've done on the LDS religion. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Are you familiar with the 13 Articles of Faith? I would venture that you scarcely know a thing about Mormon beliefs in their correct context. You cannot form any intelligent arguments so you resort to name-calling like "stupidheads." Truly brilliant.
DrTerminus 4 months ago
@DrTerminus 1. I'm not threatened by a false prophet. 2. I'm afraid for you because you're obviously an idiot for not being able to answer MY questions and instead dodge them with other questions. 3. I've done more than you have to know how false the Book of Mormon is. What pomposity to assume you're the only one who has read it and understood it. 4. I've made my argument and you skirted it so conveniently like the stupidhead that you are. You just proved it.
DanDenali 4 months ago
How can anyone who never met this man called Jesus tell me or anyone else what he said--like they were there and wrote it down and had it witnessed for all time. Dude, you are a BS Artist, you have no idea if Jesus as a man ever actually lived, let alone what he might have said ver batum.
Mitch70832 5 months ago
Mormonism begins with an outright attack on every religious belief except itself, by declaring that every religion except Mormonism is an abomination in the sight of God, Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith History 1:17,18. Then plays the poor picked on us card, when the lies that they teach are exposed to the light of truth.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 5 months ago
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 misquoted and misunderstood. Although the texts in the Book of Mormon may be quite extreme, it does not mean that people outside of the church will burn in hell because they never got the chance to learn the truth. We actually believe that people get second chances. We do this by baptizing people, and even the dead; which is clearly misunderstood all the time, because no one can comprehend why. And once people are baptized, Jesus Christ will be the one to judge individuals.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay I believe if you asked Joseph, he would have said the quote said what it meant, and meant what it said. Mormonism cannot possibly be true, if every other religion is not an abomination in the sight of God. If every other religion is not an abomination in the sight of God, Mormonism most assuredly is. Baptism is only a symbolic testimony to the world of what God has done in a persons life. If God has not entered a persons life, they are only getting wet if they get baptized. Read John 3
1stcorinthians1vrs18 5 months ago
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 Oh, wow. Do you know Joseph Smith personally? WOW, that's amazing! You must've lived for a hundred years and more. Oh, my. How was he? Oh if every other religion is not an abomination? One definition of the word Abomination is; "a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination. ". During the time when the book of Mormon was written (written not translated) (part 1)
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 the word may describe people's actions back then! meaning, God disliked people from other churches' actions! NOT THE CHURCH ITSELF. Just like how a mother would hate a child's tantrums, but she would still love her child. Aren't you just being a hypocrite? You're saying that we are saying that other churches are an abomination, but you, sire, stand here saying that our church is an abomination (part 2)
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 HYPOCRITE. Baptism isn't only a testimony, it's a way in which we are cleansed of our sins! Jesus Christ himself, being the perfect role model he is, agreed to be baptized, even though he was perfect, in order to show people that WE NEED to be baptized. It is the shedding of our sins, and a way in order in which Jesus Christ could judge us! God entering a person's life may mean several things! (part 3)
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 It could mean that following god's commandments and obeying him is a way in which we could let him INTO OUR LIVES. Meaning, if we live the life our heavenly father would, that means we are letting him into a person's life. And as people do those things, and let him into our lives, we won't ONLY GET WET, we will be baptized. thank you. godbless.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay The wages of sin (any sin, lying, coveting, stealing, etc. ever in our lives) is death Romans 3:23. Eternal life is a gift of God Romans 6:23. We are saved by grace, not works Romans 11:6 Ephesians 2:8-10. Christ did not die, so we could possibly earn and deserve heaven. He died because we all have earned and deserve death and Hell. Jesus is the One and only God, in human flesh. Isaiah 43:10,11 John 1:1-3,14 John 4:24. God expects us to be perfect. Only Christ can make us that way.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 5 months ago
ummumm im pretty sure he didnt address accusations about weird stuff they believe he just said that we reject them because they are not of the world real helpful not rejejecting or aggreeing with accusations
Zachtheawesome42 6 months ago
yall are stupid, this is a cult not a religion and no, you are not an orthodox christian, so don't lie and claim you are
sarahtothluvskevin 7 months ago
@sarahtothluvskevin Do you know anything about the church? Do you understand it with all your heart? I bet you're just scrolling around the internet looking for Anti-mormon sites and making your assumptions based on that! Atleast talk to a missionary and ask him the things you doubt. And then once you've gotten to read the Book of Mormon, and learned a little, PRAY. Pray to the heavenly father and ask him all your questions.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
Fantastic talk!
pdgpb1 7 months ago
@pdgpb1 Wake up foolish ,lest the wrath of GOD come upon you as a theif in the night.You are being lied to.
Galatians 1-8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
Deuteronomy 4:2
“You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you”
roxfoot 7 months ago
@roxfoot Actually, Jesus Christ, the lord, and every other prophet and angel gave Joseph Smith the authority to preach. The Book of Mormon does not add to the bible or take away from it, it is only another testament about Jesus Christ and his teachings.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay if you like i could show you 27 verse's from the bible that teach one ,1,GOD,not many ,or i could show you the verse's that say we are saved by faith ,period ,or the verse's that declare that all the prophets are done away with after CHRIST ,that the cross not the garden ,the father the son and the spirit are all one ,or would you like me to show you the verse where GOD said he is the beginning and the end of all things ,as is CHRIST ,and not created as smith said ,thats adding
roxfoot 5 months ago
@roxfoot Faith, faith in HIM! Faith in him, to follow his commandments! To do what he tells us to do! That is to be baptized! Isn't that what he has said?! Isn't that what Jesus Christ has showed us so that we can FOLLOW his LEAD? FAITH is so universal! It means so much more than just the word! Faith in god, to trust in him, and in his love, faith to follow his commandments. THAT IS THE FAITH IN WHICH IT SPEAKS ABOUT. (part 1)
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay but the book of mormon in mornoi 10-32 .tells you to rid yourself of all ungodliness ,
the Bible says
ROMANS 10-3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God. 2nephi says "grace after all you can do"
ephesians declares grace is a gift not of works less any man should boast
clearly someone is telling you lies ,
as joe was a 33rd degre mason ,my guess would be him
roxfoot 5 months ago
@roxfoot The priesthood was restored by Heavenly father and Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith! The father, the son, and the spirit, are all ONE. They are one. They work in collaboration with each other to go through the plan of salvation, and for the success of mankind. God is the beginning, he began everything, and he will end things. You make these assumptions without even learning yourself. Not just the surface...not just the surface.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay having done a long study on the area of the Melchizedek priesthood ,there is no way in joe or anyone holds this position ,another lie ,
please do not assume ignorance on my part as to do so only displays false superiority ,indicitive of people who have fallin for the lie of self above CHRIST
"God is the beginning, he began everything"
joe did say i will tell you how GOD became GOD ,
so either your lying or unaware of your own church history
roxfoot 5 months ago
Just because Mormons accept Jesus as their savior, does not exponge the fact that they believe that they are above all other Cristians. That their higher knowledge of the Celestial Kindom will grant them powers. #wack!!
j100035554 7 months ago
@j100035554 I'm a convert to the LDS church and nobody I know in the church thinks we are "above all other Christians." That's not what the church teaches at all.
cindybin2001 7 months ago
@cindybin2001 untrue
ighter4 7 months ago
@j100035554 Wow, you are so prejudiced. Have you actually heard a member of the church SAY that we are above all other christian churches? WOW, non right? Because you have never met one, talked to one, or actually became friends with one. Yeah, that's right. Nada. All you do is scroll around the internet and make assumptions based on Anti-Mormon websites.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
How can you worship a god that hates blacks, gays and women? Oh, old testament you say? How can you worship an imperfect god? How can the words of a god be twisted and mended, by man, to fit in with this changing world? Hypocrisy all over your face. Fuck your god, and all gods for that matter. I am the only God.
schlegelt 7 months ago
@schlegelt God doesn't hate us. He loves all of us and understands us individually.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
smackbunny, quantum,kluge. I am not Mormon, but know many. The things you comment are ignorant, childish and simpletonistic. (sorry, I will choose easy words from this point on). they are great and loving people. Polygamy was all through-out the old testament, read it all next time. I am black and they readily accept me, and not condoning gays, so that makes them not christians. tell me then, are catholics not christians? If they accepted gays, would they then be "Christians"?
sureman1964 8 months ago
@sureman1964 revelation 17 ,clearly defines the catholic chuch as the mother of all harlots ,one of which is mormonism ,
Romans 1
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
roxfoot 7 months ago
Wow, that is powerful and yet without merit.
I am a giant gas cloud and I watch what you do with your genitals.
smackbunny 8 months ago
Black people are the curse of Cain? Can't receive Priesthood? Can be admitted into heaven, but only as a slave? I draw the line there and you should too. Stop wasting your life on this racist religion.
QuantumKhaos 8 months ago
@QuantumKhaos Actually, the church is the first church to accept slaves into the church. On 1930 an African American man named Elijah was accepted into the priesthood. Now tell me, what churches did that? hm?
HeyJicay 5 months ago
not sure what this was suppose to answer or help disprove the misunderstanding ?
crim82rtn 8 months ago
Youre are NOT Christians!
kluge1261 9 months ago
What!! Mormons believe they are hated because they are gods disciples? So it has nothing to do with racial profiling and gay hating and polygamy and a bunch of guys sharing the same woman? oh yeah it has to be because you love Jesus.
rd1999 9 months ago
Comment removed
rd1999 9 months ago
If he wishes to be taken seriously in this regard, he should instruct his missionaries to stop telling people the early Church was all apostate. I was so irretated when the very young elders came to me in my hospital bed & told me that the whole of Christ's Church had gone apostate by 50 A.D. This is when many of the Apostles were still alive! Certainly the great St. John the Revelator was still alive. This doctrine is an insult to all Christ's Apostles as they chose their sucessors.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
This guy ever so suttley says christ was rejected by the world...ummm by the world??? by the world he says...what a bold faced lie. They lie so much it comes out so natural and smooth as if it were true! Jesus was despised by the jewish leaders at that time..."NOT" the world!.
JSeely218 11 months ago
@JSeely218 The world Jesus CHrist knew. His time, his environment, his surroundings. -_- wow. just wow.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
If you play it back a few times this guy ever so suddley says christ was rejected by the world...they lie so much it comes out so natural and smooth as if it were true!
JSeely218 11 months ago
"taken upon us the name of Jesus christ"
wolves in sheep clothing.
BlackEyeBeatings 11 months ago
@BlackEyeBeatings We cannot change human nature, we understand that humans cannot be perfect, lest they be baptized by the fire of the spirit. Yet we will keep trying to be as perfect as God is, though it is an almost endless fight.
Humblifier 7 months ago
how can anyone believe a book that was literally pulled out of a hat.
no1 has ever even seen the gold plates but smith.
we reject ur religion, you do not believe in the same Christ.
you believe in false prophets.
dont stand there and say your a part of christianity.
youre religion is no better than islam.
BlackEyeBeatings 11 months ago
@BlackEyeBeatings Boom, headshot!! Fully agree with everything you just said. There are tons of things about Mormonism that just do not make sense to me. I go by the bible and what it says, not what some nut job guy with 30-40 wives says. He was only in it for the fame, money and women.
Xmetalearth 10 months ago
@Xmetalearth You're an idiot
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay Whatever bro.
Xmetalearth 5 months ago
@BlackEyeBeatings The "hat" of God, you mean.
masterskyrunner 10 months ago
@BlackEyeBeatings Oh we don't believe in the same Christ? The one that loved us and died for us, so that we can live with our heavenly father again? Is that not the same christ? The one who died in a cross, and sweat blood? The one crowned with thorns, who was spit at, despised, betrayed, mercilessly whipped? Oh, that's not the same christ? Oh then which christ is yours? hm? The definition of Christianity is literally followers of Christ, and is the church not a follower of christ?
HeyJicay 5 months ago
People may have mocked Jesus too but Jesus didn't teach that black people are that colour because they're cursed. Unbeliveable.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo I see you have read the ignorance of the internet. Good job
HeyJicay 5 months ago
I love this Talk!! Amazing!
abiJean21 1 year ago
A quick shout out to others that would make the mistake of touting "truth" without proof. Faith, is not truth. Please don't confuse the two as MrNinjorman has done. It's fine to espouse your faith.. but please... without proof.. don't dare call it truth.
The issue that I and others have with the book of Mormon is that ALL proof points against it as fact. If you want to say it's allegory and though it never happened it has a lesson..fine. If, however, you call it fact..get ready to prove it.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse Faith is believing that something is true. BELIEVING BELIEVING BELIEVING. Believing without physical evidence, because in our hearts we feel it. It may sound ridiculous, but it's the only thing I can say about your comment. If you don't agree with a person's faith, then just leave them alone and get on with your life. Or maybe ask god. ASK HIM. STOP ASKING GOOGLE OR THE INTERNET.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
Why not be honest and tell everyone that you believe in a different Jesus than Christians do? A horse is a horse, it's not a kitchen sink right? The name of the church wasn't their first pick either.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap The same Jesus that died in a cross so that we can be saved from our sins? The one who loves us and wants us to succeed? Who sweat blood, and was mercilessly whipped? Wait every body else has a different Jesus? Oh really? I didn't know that, I thought the Catholics believed in Jesus CHRIST as well. And I remember checking up on other churches and in what they believe in. Strange, I never knew. Funny thing huh.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
This is so true. I honestly don't care what the internets or the people 'of the world' believe we're all about. Because honestly, over 80 % of the stuff on the net is absolute rubbish. I truely feel sorry for those who can't accept the gospel, it has helped me so much in my life.
arethd 1 year ago 2
@arethd
It's the separation between truth and rubbish that is the hallmark of the "attacks" of the mormon religion today. When Smith fabricated what he wrote, he could not have imagined that a mere 30-40 years later there would be a scientific awakening that would cast doubt on his work of fiction. No evidence what so ever for elephants, horses, steel weapons, coins, metal scrolls or plate writing nor ANY of the cities or peoples mentioned. That's not "the net" it's simple truth and reality.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
let me ask you something, PaleHearse.
would you die for something you knew to be a lie?
after all that Joseph Smith did, after enduring so many trials, tribulations, and persecutions brought on by people like you, going through so much hard work to translate the Book of Mormon, and being hated by so many, do you REALLY think that he would suffer all of that to protect a lie?
he died to protect the truth. a truth that you and those like you attack at any opportunity. knock it off.
MrNinjormon 1 year ago
@MrNinjormon
The short answer to that is no.. but then I'm not the kind of person who would get so wrapped up in a lie that it would become all I am. Remember the time that Joseph Smith was born in. To him, being a charlatan was all he knew. People were easier to fool back then and he was smart enough to fool them. He discovered not everyone could be fooled but enough were that he had a following that kept bread on the table. That.. is what he was fighting for, and it was a lie to die for.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
I know that Joseph Smith is a good man, and you may ask me how I know, but it would be hard to explain.
I think it's useless to argue about this any further because I can't force you to open your eyes, and neither would I if I could.
you can't blame me for trying to stand up for what I believe in can you?
it only hurts me to know that people can't just leave others alone if they don't believe the same things.
I know this Gospel to be true, and that is all that matters to me.
MrNinjormon 1 year ago
@MrNinjormon
A good man with a criminal record as a charlatan. Look.. you asked.. I gave you my opinion on the matter. I can't really honestly do any more than that for you. The rest is up to you.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse WOULD SOMEONE GO THAT FAR FOR A LIE????? WOULD SOMEONE GO THAT FAR?? TELL ME. HUH??? WHAT KIND OF PERSON WOULD GO FAR FOR A "LIE"????????????????????? CAN YOU TELL ME WHO??? DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF?? " That.. is what he was fighting for, and it was a lie to die for." Smart enough to fool them? Would you die for a lie? Can you? huh? Can you? NO. Even that kind of logic is contradictory.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay
He was fighting to maintain the only way of life he knew, that of a charlatan. His concocted religion and his followers put bread on his table and made him feel important.
Many have suffered and died when the lies they create become all they are, just as it was for Smith..so yes..that's what I'm saying happened. Nothing contradictory in what we see happening all around us every day.
Smith eventually pissed off so many people he had a shootout with a mob that came to wring his neck.
PaleHearse 5 months ago
@PaleHearse THE LIES THEY CREATE. Do you hear yourself? Put bread on his table...oh dear lord. Do you even know what everyone went through? How could you say that they created a lie when a lot of people endured to the end.., how could you say it's a lie? How could you say these things??? Seriously, have you even met a person who would go that far of dying just to protect their lie? Not a lot of people could do that. No one's that desperate. They endured because they knew it was the truth.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay
Jim Jones followers endured to the end as well. When faced with a charismatic charlatan promising the path to an eternal afterlife.. many folks will follow to the end. That's not a sign that they were right..only that someone was good at fooling them or forcing them to obey.
PaleHearse 5 months ago
@arethd
your doctrine speaks for itself.
christians know what you are about................it has nothing to do with the internet
lilbeaveymac 1 year ago
His ad hominem sufficiently refutes the arguments made against Mormonism.
Some please tell me how I can give him my money. He made such an airtight case there that I started crying in love and awe for him.
highwind8124 2 years ago
many people dont think it s wright because nowone speaks of they r s own talent. Every thing coming from the old man that only repet themselves.
vaagen58 2 years ago
LDS want to be viewed as "Christians", but they fail to let anyone know everything that they believe. Why???
jen3761 2 years ago
ahaha anyone can make shit up if i told a hundred people that jews suck dick to move up in there church and they told people and so fourth dous that make it true all those blogs or reports could be fake but no you have to believe it show me proff as in the thomas s monson saying anything the blogs or reports say
i aint mormon either ive gone to almost every church even sienceology were they cmbine both its fucken wierd you got to go
ro121291 2 years ago
You're right! That's how pathetic they are...they'll never know.
I'll back you up, though, any day!
KateW1623 2 years ago
@ro121291 First, learn to spell. Second, you think Joseph Smith made things up? Wow, that's amazing. Do you think he would go through the long hours of translating because he wanted to make something up? Do you think he would've suffered the physical injuries and death just so he could make something up? My, my. that's amazing. Thank you for your wisdom, it is a pleasure to see such fine logic. You should go to Harvard, I bet you'd be the smartest kid EVER.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
@HeyJicay
Let's get this straight.. he wasn't "translating" anything. He was doing what he knew best..scrying. He tossed a "seeer stone" into a hat to give some semblance of mystical credibility to the whole charade and then see what he could make of it.
This kind of thing is pretty common actually, and it's quite easy to see how hucksters and con artists get caught up in things that eventually get them tossed in jail for decades. In the 1800's it usually ended with a pistol ball...and it did.
PaleHearse 5 months ago
@PaleHearse OH WOW. WOULD HE GO THAT FAR JUST TO BE A CON ARTIST?? WOULD HE ENDURE HARRASMENTS AND ALL THOSE KILLINGS JUST SO HE COULD BE A CON ARTIST??? WOULD HE GO AS FAR TO DIE JUST SO HE COULD BE A CON ARTIST????? HE ONLY DID THOSE THINGS BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE!
HeyJicay 5 months ago
no we don't, you're free to learn whatever you want. lol. it seems like you want it delivered to you on a silver platter...
skankiteasy 2 years ago
Really? You really think this? The doctrine is an open book my friend.
ChristopherMillz 2 years ago
@jen3761 Because no one tries their best to actually get to know the church itself.
HeyJicay 5 months ago
Fabulous talk. Thank you.
DefendingMormonism 3 years ago 18
@DefendingMormonism No that was a terrible stupid meandering point, based on a book that is largely forged and plagiarized...congratulations you failed critical thinking
kanto2233 7 months ago
@DefendingMormonism ,Wake up foolish ,lest the wrath of GOD come upon you as a theif in the night.You are being lied to.
Galatians 1-8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
Deuteronomy 4:2
“You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you”
roxfoot 7 months ago
I think Elder Hales comments are now Prophetic. As the mocking continues, I am constantly reminded of this talk.
omiolo1 3 years ago
Sorry I thumb-downed your comment. I intended to thumb-up it. I apologize. I agree with you completely.
theoneandonlygrod 2 years ago
I fixed it ;-)
n300zx93 2 years ago