to really make change we must cut the funding to government , employers, landlords, and merchants Theses four things corral us in.
They take homes our jobs our safety and poision our food. we must create new ways of independant living based on homes that are paid for without a bank, not rigged by trades and guilds to ex And produce their own food and energy. Modern technology of hydroponics and photovoltaics make this posable. Only in this way can we stop war poverty death and conquest on earth
And free speech didn't really rock because Oprah didn't mention not eating hamburgers again. They shut her up. She didn't have to pay any money, but they silenced her. Her lawyers told her not to take the chance the second time.
I'm glad Oprah and Lyman were successful in their case, but I would have liked her not to have said that free speech lives. HER free speech lived, because of her celebrity and her money. It's a whole different story for us ordinary folks.
@kimberlily1983 I hear you and yes, free speech is much more difficult for us "ordinary" people. I get in trouble for voicing my opinion in my own home these days......
@jayofwaterloo Often we don't... I'm all for more involvement on this issue. :) I think we need to defend the right to free speech, as well as simply make the point of exercising it. One thing people can do is learn about the AETA in the US, and how it violates free speech: essentially it makes people who break the law get harsher sentences if they are motivated by animal rights in their breaking of the law. It criminalized the political component, the thoughts and beliefs of the lawbreaker.
@jayofwaterloo ... This is just one example that I happen to know of... I think the attempt to erode away at our rights are happening across the board, in the US, in Canada, and elsewhere.
@kimberlily1983 I do not know much about AETA. I will read up on that stuff . But i know in Canada there are some movement . To more organic food that is good news.
other beings . he says some body not something . they have no power . no voice . are you talking about the people that are homeless and starving ? what about people , that don't live the life theses people do that are making the video . you know the ones that eat what ever they can to stay alive , live a day in there shoes and we see how sa you are when you eat a burger or some chicken . the problem is you people that judge don't know what it means to go hungry
@wthjrtx1 shut up and eat? I will pay more for food so farmers can have a good life, and still put food on my plate that wont give me disease. There is a reason people come from other countries healthy and then live in the US and get diabetes, heart disease, and cancers. Food will have to become more expensive that is a fact, but you have no compassion for the people trying to prevent an epidemic proportion of disease? or come to a solution that can fix a broken agricultural system?
@orgamikrikit I would bet, even if you were blindfolded and lead gently down a plank, your instincts would kick in and you would know what's going on. The smell of blood, the screams, in their case is communication, although terror. You need to watch some slaughter videos and look into those animals eyes before they even reach their final destination. They know ! Research has proven pigs are smarter than dogs BTW.
Unfortunately, people can usually get away with violence towards animals way more than they can vrs. violence towards people.
And if you havn't seen it, Mercy for Animals has posted a video that quickly became viral and has stirred a lot of things up concerning some grousome practices in the egg industry, such as grinding up male chicks alive, male chicks are considered as waste.
Youtube this: "Undercover Investigation at Hy-Line Hatchery"
So true and thank you I did see that investigative report at Hy-Line Hatchery. No doubt one of the most well presented to date. We live in a very sick society where people can consider this a livelihood.
When I see trucks full of animals with fear in their eyes, these places where machines are made to handle the struggling bodies of animals as they're being slaughtered, the behaviour of the workers in these places, I see Nazis, Jews, Gypsies and gays in Auschwitz. I see slave boats full of Africans.
When I see the "cruelty section" in the supermarket and adults buying that "food", I see Nazis and their children: the "Hitler youth". They all know what they're doing.
Well put ! I see it the same way. If this world doesn't stop raising animals for food, there won't be much left to eat, vegan or otherwise, not to mention the grossly under rated environmental disaster just waiting to happen.
Thank you for your honest comment. You are no doubt the first person I have met that openly admits this. Not to say all human beings with farms are abusive, but there is a level of violence that most people don't hear or see.
Yeah, my parent was a dairy farmer, and his dad was too, and I've worked on a small farm, and I saw a crap load of violence, and I can't even imagine what it would be like on factory farms. It's completely ridiculous.
to really make change we must cut the funding to government , employers, landlords, and merchants Theses four things corral us in.
They take homes our jobs our safety and poision our food. we must create new ways of independant living based on homes that are paid for without a bank, not rigged by trades and guilds to ex And produce their own food and energy. Modern technology of hydroponics and photovoltaics make this posable. Only in this way can we stop war poverty death and conquest on earth
bryncomeaux 3 months ago
And free speech didn't really rock because Oprah didn't mention not eating hamburgers again. They shut her up. She didn't have to pay any money, but they silenced her. Her lawyers told her not to take the chance the second time.
guitarcountry1 11 months ago
I'm glad Oprah and Lyman were successful in their case, but I would have liked her not to have said that free speech lives. HER free speech lived, because of her celebrity and her money. It's a whole different story for us ordinary folks.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 I hear you and yes, free speech is much more difficult for us "ordinary" people. I get in trouble for voicing my opinion in my own home these days......
UMakeTheConnection 1 year ago
true but the problem is we do nothing about it?
jayofwaterloo 1 year ago
@jayofwaterloo Often we don't... I'm all for more involvement on this issue. :) I think we need to defend the right to free speech, as well as simply make the point of exercising it. One thing people can do is learn about the AETA in the US, and how it violates free speech: essentially it makes people who break the law get harsher sentences if they are motivated by animal rights in their breaking of the law. It criminalized the political component, the thoughts and beliefs of the lawbreaker.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@jayofwaterloo ... This is just one example that I happen to know of... I think the attempt to erode away at our rights are happening across the board, in the US, in Canada, and elsewhere.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 I do not know much about AETA. I will read up on that stuff . But i know in Canada there are some movement . To more organic food that is good news.
jayofwaterloo 1 year ago
other beings . he says some body not something . they have no power . no voice . are you talking about the people that are homeless and starving ? what about people , that don't live the life theses people do that are making the video . you know the ones that eat what ever they can to stay alive , live a day in there shoes and we see how sa you are when you eat a burger or some chicken . the problem is you people that judge don't know what it means to go hungry
cowboywithspurs36 7 months ago
We ranchers/farmers have been fun of from all the so good smart cool city people for years. Ignoring the fact. You eat what we grow and raise.
the industrial revolution opened the door for us to make a good living. Just not survive and hear comes the tree hugging do gooder's.
What a bunch of donks!!!!
Some of the practices got out of hand. I admit, But shut up and eat.
If we dont grow it or raise it? What will you eat?
wthjrtx1 1 year ago
@wthjrtx1 shut up and eat? I will pay more for food so farmers can have a good life, and still put food on my plate that wont give me disease. There is a reason people come from other countries healthy and then live in the US and get diabetes, heart disease, and cancers. Food will have to become more expensive that is a fact, but you have no compassion for the people trying to prevent an epidemic proportion of disease? or come to a solution that can fix a broken agricultural system?
Jleigh225 1 year ago
@wthjrtx1 NUTS< RICE< FRUITS AND VEGETABLES! You don't HAVE to eat meat to SURVIVE!
singpraise247 4 months ago
@singpraise247
Hey if your a poor hunter or a dinosuar. Thats fine.
I enjoy being at the top of the food chain and getting paid for it some days...lol
wthjrtx1 4 months ago
It is true! The animals know they are going to be slaughtered!
kr45576 1 year ago
i bet that one half of the people that watched this vidoe will still eat beef
bolivianaxs 1 year ago
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orgamikrikit 2 years ago
@orgamikrikit I would bet, even if you were blindfolded and lead gently down a plank, your instincts would kick in and you would know what's going on. The smell of blood, the screams, in their case is communication, although terror. You need to watch some slaughter videos and look into those animals eyes before they even reach their final destination. They know ! Research has proven pigs are smarter than dogs BTW.
UMakeTheConnection 2 years ago 5
Unfortunately, people can usually get away with violence towards animals way more than they can vrs. violence towards people.
And if you havn't seen it, Mercy for Animals has posted a video that quickly became viral and has stirred a lot of things up concerning some grousome practices in the egg industry, such as grinding up male chicks alive, male chicks are considered as waste.
Youtube this: "Undercover Investigation at Hy-Line Hatchery"
patzivota22 2 years ago 4
So true and thank you I did see that investigative report at Hy-Line Hatchery. No doubt one of the most well presented to date. We live in a very sick society where people can consider this a livelihood.
UMakeTheConnection 2 years ago 5
cool a pork!, shot his head instead that I can eat it
fuckyou334 2 years ago
When I see trucks full of animals with fear in their eyes, these places where machines are made to handle the struggling bodies of animals as they're being slaughtered, the behaviour of the workers in these places, I see Nazis, Jews, Gypsies and gays in Auschwitz. I see slave boats full of Africans.
When I see the "cruelty section" in the supermarket and adults buying that "food", I see Nazis and their children: the "Hitler youth". They all know what they're doing.
The future is vegan
thefutureisvegan 2 years ago 5
Well put ! I see it the same way. If this world doesn't stop raising animals for food, there won't be much left to eat, vegan or otherwise, not to mention the grossly under rated environmental disaster just waiting to happen.
UMakeTheConnection 2 years ago
Thank you for your honest comment. You are no doubt the first person I have met that openly admits this. Not to say all human beings with farms are abusive, but there is a level of violence that most people don't hear or see.
UMakeTheConnection 2 years ago
Yeah, my parent was a dairy farmer, and his dad was too, and I've worked on a small farm, and I saw a crap load of violence, and I can't even imagine what it would be like on factory farms. It's completely ridiculous.
Opsomaniac 2 years ago