Silver Update 12/15/11 Trolls, Shills, and Shysters

[macdonaldc]

Thanks Brother.  I Like your channel. Keep up the good work. My thoughts that those are bots. you would think that someone would just automated it. Saying that im very confident that what ever mechanism posts those comments are completly self serving. I think that is the point your trying to make and people on who have posted negative comments are just very narrow minded. Keep the faith. Silver at 64$ is when my eyes will open. See you in the near future!

[TheDonovan68]

Very informative, thanks brotherjohnf

[TheDonovan68]

i THINK silver will bottom at 23.00 , buy buy buy

[moerpphaayy]

So you dont think that aapl is a huge bubble?

[maxvalery]

At 9:20, you announce that "it's a paid shill" and you don't know who pays him, and your evidence is a series of timestamps that are very close together. The credibility of your channel depends on avoiding these type of proclamations unless you have at least a circumstantial proof of payments by a party interested in promoting US Securities and the dollar. Of course, it's nearly impossible to prove something like that.

[BrotherJohnF]

@maxvalery So it is your theory that some guy sits around 24 hours a day typing hundreds of comments on the SLV board bashing silver because of what?

[maxvalery]

@BrotherJohnF You're asking this question as a reasonable person. However, expecting reasonable behavior out of forum bottom feeders is like trying to understand why Paris Hilton or the Kardashians are celebrities. There are plenty of unreasonable people out there with nothing else to do but to troll forums or follow useless celebrity gossip. We need to be above it; let's start by making only evidence-based claims.

[626718]

@BrotherJohnF to be fair, this doesn't just happen to SLV. It happens on lots of "active" stocks. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, i think some people are paid to do it in the hope to influence price. But that's not at all limited to SLV. Just go to any other stock, you will see the same thing.

[nathansensation5]

@maxvalery civil court of the mind only requires preponderance of the evidence.

[maxvalery]

@nathansensation5 Right, and there is no evidence of anyone being paid. There is only evidence of frequent posts. You have to make a conspiratorial leap of faith to make a claim that someone is being paid off.

[BugsMr123]

@maxvalery There is also the nature of the advice they give, as well. Who could deny, for instance, that present central bank policies will lead to inflation, and price increases will emerge on imported products like oil? What financial pro would ignore such a thing if he had the interests of his clients at heart?

[workingraveyard]

You should be charting gold. Gold is the driver of silver.

[bullshit3118]

Brother John, maybe you can tell us why you choose these different coin/bullion dealers. Is there a strategy? Some coins better priced than others? Tell us how you do it.

[TonyBeanify]

@bullshit3118 BJF never reply tough questions.

[BrotherJohnF]

@bullshit3118 I've already explained that in a video. I choose the ones whose prices are actively set against the paper market. Some of my best purchases have been from 3 to 5AM in the morning

[bullshit3118]

Basically, this was an opportunity for central banks to buy more gold. It's gonna go up again for silver back to the 32-34 range.

[davincij15]

@assilvertried7x

Yeah, Something to cheer about.

[ShillBasher]

Beware the upset rampaging pensioners eh? Do you really think that an entire nation are going to retire at the same point in time, John?

Although you made some interesting points, as usual, I'm sorry to say that some of what you stated is highly doubtful and deffinately alarmist. Do you honestly believe that people set companies up solely for the purpose of (magicaly?) running up the price of the shares so that those shares can then be sold and that it's all a fruad upon you and I? P-lease!

[nathansensation5]

@ShillBasher actually its called shorting and naked shorting of assests. On the stock and derivative side there are cataloged legal cases documenting these examples. I also personally know individuals who work on a 3 year cycle starting a company and selling it off later for a profit. That is not technically illegal but when its repeated it creates manipulation.

[davincij15]

@assilvertried7x

"I don't think you are being dishonest, but all of your points are false."

This is why I stopped arguing with people they make false statements and call them true in their intense hatred to bitcoins.

There is no point in having a discussion with a mad man and a socialist as they will avoid the points showing them what they are doing is wrong and will fail to agree on facts.

Example: He will never agree there will only be 21 million bitcoins ever.

[davincij15]

@assilvertried7x

I did not make that Ron Paul money bomb video I found it long ago.

[silverkingukable]

Bitcoin no good software does'nt work

[philandjoelle]

You sure had an impact on the SLV Yahoo message board. Everyone is happy that the trolls extreme and rhythminrhymn were exposed. I have to tell you however, that I doubt their non stop postings bashing silver have any impact at all.

[carlhopkinson]

Yes, following closely the incredible downward spiral of morality in our so-called "leaders" over the

last decade or two, there is no doubt in my mind that they are trying to steal all the money in the world and enslave everybody. No doubt whatsoever.

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x That's correct, your bank card can be hacked and have been hacked and in almost all cases the client got ZERO from the Banks and the Bank continue doing business. But Bitcoins are stored on "Individual" computers and once again are not very liquid as I've asked you to mention stores in your area that take them,or coin shops that will give you Fiat for them? NONE

Bitcoin is NO DIFFERENT than Facebook Farmville credits!..in fact Farmville may be safer than ur PC!

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x lol...I'm just laughing my ass off reading your talk about A "fictitious/ imaginary computer generated coin".. that is now being traded on the "free market" lol

I guess you never did look into intrinsic value,too bad,I guess you never looked into a sound currency,too bad.

sorry Bro but you're seriously helpless and evidently a Bitcoin pusher troll,so i'll stop the lesson on REAL ASSETS!!, and let U continue on thinking you got us all fooled.

NOT ME!

bullion thx!

[davincij15]

@connectingdots1

No one is trying to fool you.

Personally, I do not think you have a rational argument other than it's new, and untested.

Just don't use bitcoins.

BTW I would not have gotten in the first air plane that was invented because I know nothing about aerodynamics. But because I am a software developer and I understand money, currency and credit I am confident about bitcoins.

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x Who gives bitcoins their value & just because they are being traded does not mean it's a good idea to get suckered into buying Bitcoins, Sports cards are also being traded but again we know that the value of the cards isn't long lasting like Gold & Silver have been for 6500 years of USE

Bitcoins are NOT easily used tho traded,your PC can be hacked bye bye coins,very very volatile value,NO intrinsic value!,VERY LIMITED Day2Day use.

Farmville now sells credit too!

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x HOORAY!,you know what fiat money is,now do a little research into "sound currency" & "intrinsic value, & research on how easy it is for educated hacking folks to get into any PC,server,Microsoft,ect,then you'll have half this lesson figured out, the next one will be "ease of use" that one will be a snap,just start now looking around your city for where Bitcoins are accepted or traded for Fiat

youtube.com/watch?v=rG9OLL_iRP­­c&feature=player_detailpage#t­=­754s

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x HOORAY!,you know what fiat money is,now do a little more research into "sound currency" & then several days worth of research on how easy it is for educated hacking folks to get into any PC,server,ect,then you'll have half this lesson figured out, the next one will be "ease of use",,,that one will be a snap, just start now looking around your city for where Bitcoins are accepted or traded for Fiat

youtube.com/watch?v=rG9OLL_iRP­c&feature=player_detailpage#t=­754s

[esolorzano100]

Use NTAP as an example stock.

[mechanicalengineer3]

Thanks for the laughs, one of the better videos after a while. Whenever I hear 'trolls' the picture in my head is of a spiky haired, big nose creature.

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x NO,.NO..I ee exactly what you're saying here and now I think it's time to do some silver culling, the Gong show as gone on long enough,,either these guys understand Fiat or they don't!

You can't have it both ways,,you either believe in sound currency and know the markets are rigged or you're simply clueless to what's going on. and it seems some here are becomiong clueless about sound so I think a good refresher video with a mention of some facts some R missing!

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x Correct, no one is forced to use them ..and a good thing also since they aren't ACCEPTED in very many places and EXTREMELY volatile in value so merchants are very skeptical to engage with a computer generated credits/bitcoins.

People who've run their own business know what money is and it's NOT an internet Bitcoin..in FACT I'm very surprised BJohn would promote something as Fiat as Bitcoins.He knows sound currency and Bitcoins is NOT one.

PC generated crapcoins!

[connectingdots1]

@assilvertried7x are you out to lunch? or simply totally confused about fiat versus sound currency cause I swear you must be one of the most uninformed silver bugs I've ever meet.

bitcoins are 100% Fiat and although it may equipment and electricity, get fucking real dumbass, how many bitcoins can a PC generate in an hour?

and then where you spend it?> LIMITED USE!

G&S coins are welcomed i any coin shop good luck w/ bitcoins..I could go on but it's TOO easy for informed people.

[Unsharpened]

Disinformation / Counter culture

[superhawkn]

John have a look at BPAX stock afterhours yesterday what is your take on this stock.

[superhawkn]

Brother John is one best on Youtube! Are U in UT? guessing from Brother front of your name

[wafdawg]

Shills are paid by the hedge funds. Check out the wamuq board. A solvent bank stolen by the FDIC and gifted to Chase.

[tesskansas]

Deep topic regarding retirment money being exploited by the professional traders. Thanks. Great explanation.

[SloterMFmeyer]

Maybe you should do your homework first before trying to find example stocks.

[tyonker]

Sorry to contradict, I think jamie Dimon knows when the next silver rally will be.

[SloterMFmeyer]

7:21 ROFLOL! Jack-in-the-box crudeness!

[puapake]

You need an alternate channel. Some of my channels have been disappearing due to "violations." Some of the violations include: 1. Disparaging comments about the federal reserve and exposing the fraudulent behavior of its' member banks. 2. Showing any kind of support for Ron Paul. 3. Presenting factual information regarding the 911 fraud or Bin Laden fairytale.

[cmobley69]

I know my public employee retirement is screwed. I'll be lucky to not have to pay the shysters when I retire.. hehehe.. :)

[FREEsilverGiveaway]

Everything said is so true! I HATE the yahoo finance boards and don't ever visit them for the same reasons exposed in this video. Thank you BJF for once again exposing the truth, the sheeple ought to wake up soon ... this is getting out of hand

[Clarissa2424]

In a way, back in 2008, people were told/found out that a lot of their retirement money was gone due to wall street shystering(to say the least.)

Many I know have not gone back into the stock market since then, but, probably hold BONDS, thinking bonds are safe...or CD's.

Very few (one) is starting to invest in silver.

[MrEdwinauer]

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[elucidative]

Zionist Internet shills for JPM work for the federal reserve. Just like the Harper government in Canada has paid shills working around the clock commenting on news stories giving pro Zionist Harper Bilderberger shill spin..

[HornetUK1]

hi brother if you where in the uk would you buy silver with somone like gold money? because if you stack phisical here you have to pay 20% vat

[myusernameisluc]

@HornetUK1 Then there's still counter-party risk.

In the UK you can try to find a shop that sells second-hand silver coins; VAT is only paid on the profit margin of the dealer. Another option is junk silver; in the UK you are most likely to find UK coins from the 1920 to 1946 period. They contain an alloy with 50% silver. Some shops sell them in bags. No VAT is paid at all.

Not having the silver in your (literal) grasp is too big of a risk IMO. Think confiscation for example.

[davincij15]

Thanks for shout out. :) 

[davincij15]

Jan 2009 is when I said load he boat and people questioned my statement.

[syyenergy7]

So those shysters will all the fiat money are the ones to sell silver to at over $1,000 an ounce.

[hrustygmail]

Netflix at $500 a share, Green Mountain Coffee? $100 a share, PriceLine com at $250. All the insiders bail and sell to US pension Funds. Organized crime has infiltrated the DTCC. Khazarian russian jews run the trillion dollar clearing corporation in the US. They can naked short with counterfoeit shares until any start up is overewhelmed. The US is too naive and has allowed monsters to immigrate here. This won't get fixed with voting alone, See deepcaturethe movie.com

[brown55061]

They would likely consider these shills and trolls as protecting national security, because it's been said the dollar's ability to function falls into national security. So my guess is NSA and CIA is paying them under the table.

RIM stays in business because all US federal agents carry blackberrys. They aren't allowed to use iPhones or Androids. I have one of the nicer RIM phones and it's a total piece of garbage. Horrible programming and the slowest processor I've seen on a device.

[R0nPaulFan]

@MoneyBags73 Shouldn't a video response be post-dated the video it's responding to? Yours is almost 2 months old. Are you just trying to swipe subscribers?

[Printertrouble]

I know of at least 3 coin shops in my area of Madison WI that are not parting with there physical silver for less than 36.00+tax per ounce. The other shops simply don't have inventory.

[Ra6b1t]

If you own stocks, are you saying your stocks will just disappear? If so, I disagree.

[kcrone1]

Opps all the money is gone!! Gotta love that 40-50:1 leverage!!! Boo Yeah!

[trick29420]

I wish i could have bought in 08/09. I was in college and broke as shit. Also, I had no idea what was going on.

[kcrone1]

SLV, just like every other garbage yahoo message board, nothing new.

[TroySmithforD]

yep..last point is dead on..people are going to lose their minds when their retirement savings/investments are gone. It's so soooo sad..the first hit was 2008, and the next hit is about to hit em harder.

[073edwin]

dude you are very intelligent, and i apreciate the info, i cant afford to buy much physical but i did buy 15 more oz. thhis week thanks oh! and if it goes down to the teens i have 5000 dollars to go all in with:) take that trolls

[senses2000]

No QE3 no inflation.  They will find some other way to print more fiat.

[acjitsu]

@senses2000 : Didn't the Republicans just introduce a nearly $ 1 trillion spending bill yesterday?

[myusernameisluc]

@acjitsu

They have discovered that "Quantitative Easing" doesn't fool people anymore. They just stopped calling it that, but they didn't actually stop printing money after QE2.

[acjitsu]

@myusernameisluc : I know. I believe that was my point. 

[maracanazo50]

Please Throw all Your Charts and Waves out the window.. You cant use these in a Government manipulated market..Just Buy Gold and Silver Buy,Buy ,Buy because this real money should be in the THOUSANDS of Dollars...Get out of Paper Now B4 its 2Late...

[paulbraz2]

So I kind of agree with you about money in your 401K being "gone". That said, if you really believed that why wouldn't you withdraw it all, take the tax hit and put in physical silver.

[BrotherJohnF]

@paulbraz2 because I can't. I still work there.

[brown55061]

@BrotherJohnF

Then quit your job! =) Do what you have to Brother, we understand. Thanks for the continued videos.

[artdeco101010]

@BrotherJohnF - you can borrow it though, put it in silver, and pay the account back at the slowest rate they allow.

[cmobley69]

@BrotherJohnF right that is the scam... you work somewhere and they lock u into your 401k. You can't pull it out until you quit or get fired. Sure I can take a loan on it. But, i have to pay it back. That money is gone as far as i'm concerned.

[paulbraz2]

@BrotherJohnF My bad. That was actually pretty stupid of me to not think of that. I just have this picture of you as someone that's fully independent and makes a living off of investing. I am in the same situation. I actually borrow against my 401K and buy silver with the money. Apologies.

[joe9083]

Thank you for mentioning Davinci,I really liked his many silver vids,and that big laugh he has.

[penguinistas]

13:35 You above all people, I would have assumed that you would not have any money still in a 401K or IRA.

[bicylindrico]

Ah! How refreshing, someone else that hates these damn "smart" phones! Thanks again for another great post

[chico280]

Glad to watch your videos!

[greenknightist]

.another great video .could you please explain the gold leasing business ,i can not get my head round it at all.

[Aengrod]

@greenknightist

Party A - a Central Bank leases gold to paty B then party B leases gold to party C, yet party A that doesnt have gold any more is still keeping it on its balance sheet. Smoke and mirrors mate, smoke and mirrors.

[greenknightist]

@Aengrod thanks for the reply ,so party B can be classed as owning the gold and use that to be used as collateral to borrow money ? also how long is the gold generally leased ,and what happens at the end of the contract ? (sorry but as you can guess i am a newby at all this )

[puapake]

@Aengrod How many bullion banks are being paid by the US central bank for leasing the same small pile of gold?

[Aengrod]

@puapake

That is good question, and noone but the FED and other CB's themselves know the answer to it, more importantly, they will be the ones that when the time is due, will push gold to its original value. We are slowly seeing it today, as they add up to their Gold reserves all around the world.

[FREEsilverGiveaway]

Great video as usual BrotherJohnF

[sapiensproeliator]

Excellent video BrotherJohn

[sciflyer67]

Here is another interesting take that would be a drop to $25 and then a run to $100.

Minyanville /businessmarkets/articles/silv­er-gold-p255Brecious-metals-si­lver-price/8/1/2011/id/36043.

A post from the Y! GLD board from GotGoldies, who was banned from the kitco boards, showing the chart similarities of 1979-80 to today:

messages finance yahoo com /Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_S/­threadview?m=tm&bn=72878&tid=3­93889&mid=393889&tof=2&rt=2&fr­t=2&off=1

[sciflyer67]

The Silver chart from late 1979 to early 1980 looks like a compressed version of the chart from early 2008 to late 2011. The next step was a fall through $20. There are different forces in play today from the Hunt Bros. in 1979. Granted, the price today is not in inflation adjusted dollars for 1980, but the trend looks pretty ominous. If there another market crash and deflation with the USD strengthening as in late 2008 - early 2009, I can see that scenario.

[DavidDavid1111111]

This guy has way too much time on his hands.

[obben99]

@DavidDavid1111111 Who has??

[sapiensproeliator]

@DavidDavid1111111 its called passion!

[nlucctw2]

@DavidDavid1111111 Funny, looks like you have enough time to determine that. LOL

[RockyMountainPrepper]

What do you mean we'd want martial law? Would you entrust yourself to a govt camp like that?

[BrotherJohnF]

@RockyMountainPrepper I mean the people rioting and looting will need to be rounded up. I don't plan on being one of them, never have :-)

[LP101A]

Try Apollo Group John

[troybr79]

"I won't go into detail about bitcoin" yeah because there is no detail, they are a horrible "investment". Do you really think after the next banking and currency collapse (and we can agree it will happen) people will be willing to trust/trade something with 1's and 0's? That's a serious question, I"m not trying to be a troll or a dick. And don't talk down to me like Divinici does with the "you don't understand.." I get the opensource, 21mil cap, peer-peer etc. and I still don't want any.

[BrotherJohnF]

@troybr79 You really don't understand. I'd love to answer you but unfortunately I cannot for safety reasons

[TonyBeanify]

@BrotherJohnF You convince me bro john, where can I buy bitcoin??

[R0nPaulFan]

As for why BitCoins can't be gone into detail, I can only guess, but I found a link that says the following which might explain a bit. Anyone can search the text it if they want the source.

Bitcoin is unstoppable without end-user prosecution.

Bitcoins will change the world unless governments ban them with harsh penalties.

[hrustygmail]

@R0nPaulFan Government's should be banned at least in their current form. Who needs to invade a country these days. Just emigrate and apply for a student loan and in time you can take over all meaningful posts inside the host country. Ron Paul in 2012 or else it's 1776 all over again.

[DeutschesLeid]

When the retirement accounts are all empty it will be a little late to protest.

Why? Because all these Shysters will no longer be in the country. Most of them will probably be in Israel.

[TheSilverguy79]

Great dissertations BJF about stocks and the scams that go along with them, one person who I used to listen to and knows his stuff on Wall Street is Gary Kaltbaum, years ago he would interview famous people on Wall Street like Stan Winestein he is one of the better talk shows covering the markets, I can only imagine the crap he has to put up with these days with all the new frauds happening again on Wall Street, its like Enron and World-com deja vu all over again.

[connectingdots1]

Davincji15 blocked me because I called him out for supporting well-known Yt scammer Don Harrold's Book on when to sell silver. Don is the same guy trying to sell us Copper rounds from him back when silver was still cheap! Now U may block me because I can name about 25 reasons why Bitcoins are a scam

Also those promoting them r also Peer2Peer prgm generating them for free but that's not the worse of it,just the unjust part of it, but does show just how Fiat Bitcoins are when made by promoters!

[davincij15]

@connectingdots1

Do video scum bag, prove your point if you have one. I have no objects to you going off on lies on your own channel.

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

[connectingdots1]

@davincij15 oh excellent, I hadn't seen this...ok I'll make the video showing other silver enthusiast how you're a piece of shit liar...it will be so easy...you may fool a great deal of these young men but old guys like me see through your BS lies. I've followed your BS for a couple of years now and I think it's time to expose your BS for all to see.

yes of course your minions will safeguard you but you know all the rest will know what I already know, and that's where your problem is

[pdxeddie1111]

@assilvertried7x I favored his vid and I still hate the bcoin idea

[davincij15]

@pdxeddie1111

That's fine you can hate it. I don't mind. It's new, it's a human invention that needs to prove it's self and that is a valid argument against bitcoins.

But I get mad when people say it's not secure, it's hacked or any other out right lie.

[pdxeddie1111]

@davincij15 fair enough

[connectingdots1]

@davincij15 again you LIE...it can be HACKED!

EVERYTHING CAN BE HACKED!

Just ask the Pentagon,US Army or Air force...or better yet Davincji15 why not call Microsoft up and ask them if they've ever been hacked!!! Sorry man but when I see you guyss posting BLATANT BS lies FOR ALL TO READ is when I must interject and set you fellows straight,YOU CAN"T block me this time and erase my posts like you did then, so please tell them HOW it CAN BE HACKED or I'll make video calling you out!

[connectingdots1]

@connectingdots1 Then be HONEST and TELL your subscribers how you GET FREE coins by running a Peer to Peer PC program..WHY NOT OFFER all your subscribers to run the Peer2Peer program..ah!..because then they would ALL finding out the scam behind COMPUTER GENERATED Shitcoins!

Make a video telling folks the truth about these hidden facts or I'll make the video and it won't be pretty for you guy to see and listen.

don't push my buttons with more LIES Davincji15 tell them the truth!

[scottj719]

The politicians trying to "solve" the debt crisis worldwide have the fear of total meltdown if they can't straighten it out. Unfortuneatly the experts they consult and the only people who come close to understanding the problem (because they created it) are the bankers and their idea of solving things is not to take loss and deleverage but to merely mitigate the damage and prolong the system. The savings of the majority of the world is inexorably woven into the system at this point

[HoodyWho123G]

Thanks Again!!

[silverjunky999]

the only way to win is not to play

[MrEnglishful]

@silverjunky999 What do you mean, buy for long term dont sell? Or are you working for the banksters?

[silverjunky999]

@MrEnglishful well I believe the stock market is a rigged game, Owning Physical Silver is your best bet , but thats just me

[myusernameisluc]

@MrEnglishful

His username is "silverjunky". What do you think?

[stuzapusa]

Excellent!

[pdxeddie1111]

I don't believe in bit coins I think they suk LOL

[SIERRAHPBT]

thanks John... RON PAUL TEA PARTY MONEY BOMB..,.. ronpaul2012DOTcom



[stuzapusa]

I've got a Hammer! : )

[R0nPaulFan]

Another bedtime story with my favorite silver analyst. It's always a pleasure to see you post a video to end my day with. Cheers

[scottj719]

@R0nPaulFan BrotherJohn's dulcet tones are some great late night listening. It's like some classic Art Bell.

[StringDancerCom]

Ah dude... the video is low-res. Can't see the detail when I blow it up full-screen. You musta forgot to hit the right button. But... sterling analysis, as usual.

[BrotherJohnF]

@StringDancerCom It's 1080, give load time

[stupidusedrnames]

@BrotherJohnF I am unable to post so this is a test. ... tried to say, jobs created by Berry S. Your tax $'s at work