@Ullbritt Think of it in context; A chronicler with enough bravado and merit to travel so far as Ibn did (he is a great source to compare with others), would look for ways to put this culture in context and even to look down on it. Ethnocentricity is the term anthropologists use to say that all cultures think their's is the best and all other cultures are strange and thus, lesser.
@brucedouglaswilson Not to say any culture wouldn't do such things but the quote denotes a systematic policy of doing such, which is roundly false of the Scandinavians.
Even in America or 'highly civilized', modern Europe, we can see evidence of such actions. Many potential parents may make the choice to have an abortion based on genetic evidence of Downs, Autism, etc. Germans had a thing about weak babies for a bit. Americans and plenty of other cultures have sterilized those seen as inferior
@brucedouglaswilson (America sterilized Guatemalans in the 50s. Check Republic sterilized the Roma. The list goes on...). Anyway, I'll shut up now but the point I wanted to make was that the Spartans were maybe the only culture that almost always threw weak babies away throughout their time as a cohesive culture. The Scandinavians didn't.
Take care. If you like learning about Vikings, read some of the Sagas. Historical fiction but really fun and a good way to learn about kings and such...
@brucedouglaswilson Whereas theologians and clerics preached sparing their lives, newborn abandonment continued as registered in both the literature record and in legal documents.[4] According to William L. Langer, exposure in the Middle Ages "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference".[43]
@brucedouglaswilson At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight.[44]
Unlike other European regions, in the Middle Ages the German mother had the right to expose the newborn.[45] In Gotland, Sweden, children were also sacrificed.[46]
@Ullbritt All right, so...A foreigner said so, so it makes it true? I first thought the quote came from a Christian but a Muslim who is ignorant of the culture of the Scandinavians is also not a good source of History. History comes from as many first person sources as possible, and from as many angles as possible. I have not read as much as some on the Norse but I have read a bit and nowhere else have I heard of such things.
@brucedouglaswilson we cant know if its true ofc. however, here are a couple more sources: The Íslendingabók, a main source for the early history of Iceland, recounts that on the Conversion of Iceland to Christianity in 1000 it was provided - in order to make the transition more palatable to Pagans - that "(...)the old laws allowing exposure of newborn children will remain in force". However, this provision - like other concessions made at the time to the Pagans - was abolished some years later.
@brucedouglaswilson this is not exactly vikings but ancestors of vikings: John Boswell believed that in ancient Germanic tribes unwanted children were exposed, usually in the forest.[37] "It was the custom of the [Teutonic] pagans, that if they wanted to kill a son or daughter, they would be killed before they had been given any food."[37] Usually children born out of wedlock were disposed that way.
@brucedouglaswilson btw to me it makes total sense. life was really tough back in those days, and vikings had a warriorculture. why waste enormous amounts of energy on a retarded or in other ways handicapped child?
Egill sure was a bad loser. Killing another boy that beat him in a competition by driving an ax through the skull of the unfortunate though victorious 6-year-old boy competitor.
HEY THIS VIDEO DOESNT HAVE ANTI-CAPITALIST AND GENERIC COMMONPLACE LEFTIST PROPAGANDA, WHATS THE DEAL? MUSTA BEEN MADE BEFORE 2004. ITS NOT INTERESTING UNLESS ITS TELLING ME WHY SUCH AND SUCH WAR IS WRONG OR WHY FOX NEWS IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
@OswaldvonWolkenstein Better, yes but Egill is still closer to "ey-idl" The double-L sound is particularly hard to convey. It's like a "dl" click against one's cheek. Look up one of the numerous "How to pronounce Eyjafjallajökull" videos and you'll see what I mean. =)
Throw weak babies into the sea? Think they got Scandinavians mixed up with the Spartans.
brucedouglaswilson 1 week ago
@brucedouglaswilson they did actually, at least in Hedeby, the largest vikingtown, check it on wikipedia
Ullbritt 1 week ago
@Ullbritt Think of it in context; A chronicler with enough bravado and merit to travel so far as Ibn did (he is a great source to compare with others), would look for ways to put this culture in context and even to look down on it. Ethnocentricity is the term anthropologists use to say that all cultures think their's is the best and all other cultures are strange and thus, lesser.
brucedouglaswilson 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson Not to say any culture wouldn't do such things but the quote denotes a systematic policy of doing such, which is roundly false of the Scandinavians.
Even in America or 'highly civilized', modern Europe, we can see evidence of such actions. Many potential parents may make the choice to have an abortion based on genetic evidence of Downs, Autism, etc. Germans had a thing about weak babies for a bit. Americans and plenty of other cultures have sterilized those seen as inferior
brucedouglaswilson 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson (America sterilized Guatemalans in the 50s. Check Republic sterilized the Roma. The list goes on...). Anyway, I'll shut up now but the point I wanted to make was that the Spartans were maybe the only culture that almost always threw weak babies away throughout their time as a cohesive culture. The Scandinavians didn't.
Take care. If you like learning about Vikings, read some of the Sagas. Historical fiction but really fun and a good way to learn about kings and such...
brucedouglaswilson 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson Whereas theologians and clerics preached sparing their lives, newborn abandonment continued as registered in both the literature record and in legal documents.[4] According to William L. Langer, exposure in the Middle Ages "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference".[43]
Ullbritt 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight.[44]
Unlike other European regions, in the Middle Ages the German mother had the right to expose the newborn.[45] In Gotland, Sweden, children were also sacrificed.[46]
Ullbritt 5 days ago
@Ullbritt All right, so...A foreigner said so, so it makes it true? I first thought the quote came from a Christian but a Muslim who is ignorant of the culture of the Scandinavians is also not a good source of History. History comes from as many first person sources as possible, and from as many angles as possible. I have not read as much as some on the Norse but I have read a bit and nowhere else have I heard of such things.
brucedouglaswilson 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson we cant know if its true ofc. however, here are a couple more sources: The Íslendingabók, a main source for the early history of Iceland, recounts that on the Conversion of Iceland to Christianity in 1000 it was provided - in order to make the transition more palatable to Pagans - that "(...)the old laws allowing exposure of newborn children will remain in force". However, this provision - like other concessions made at the time to the Pagans - was abolished some years later.
Ullbritt 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson this is not exactly vikings but ancestors of vikings: John Boswell believed that in ancient Germanic tribes unwanted children were exposed, usually in the forest.[37] "It was the custom of the [Teutonic] pagans, that if they wanted to kill a son or daughter, they would be killed before they had been given any food."[37] Usually children born out of wedlock were disposed that way.
Ullbritt 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson the source was infanticide on wikipedia
Ullbritt 5 days ago
@brucedouglaswilson btw to me it makes total sense. life was really tough back in those days, and vikings had a warriorculture. why waste enormous amounts of energy on a retarded or in other ways handicapped child?
Ullbritt 5 days ago
Washed EVERY Saturday? Prissy fags..
Veldtian1 3 weeks ago
olaf the berseker!!!!
TheSep30 3 weeks ago
this was back in the days when norse men still had balls. good times!
Ullbritt 4 weeks ago
This was damn fine show. It was back from when TLC was worth a damn. You no before it became infested wih reality shows
Thor13332 1 month ago
cool
CrazyNative4 1 month ago
Egill sure was a bad loser. Killing another boy that beat him in a competition by driving an ax through the skull of the unfortunate though victorious 6-year-old boy competitor.
talbot5445 1 month ago
vikings were fuckin cool badasses much better than punks or skins.
JiggaNiggaFigga 2 months ago 9
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TheBurnProductions 1 week ago
HEY THIS VIDEO DOESNT HAVE ANTI-CAPITALIST AND GENERIC COMMONPLACE LEFTIST PROPAGANDA, WHATS THE DEAL? MUSTA BEEN MADE BEFORE 2004. ITS NOT INTERESTING UNLESS ITS TELLING ME WHY SUCH AND SUCH WAR IS WRONG OR WHY FOX NEWS IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
Tripo1iSamson 2 months ago
fus roh dah...
funkysc100 3 months ago 3
@funkysc100 lol
calderwis 2 months ago
FUS RO DAH!
wack0zacko94 3 months ago
ae - yilth - not egg-gill
OswaldvonWolkenstein 4 months ago
@OswaldvonWolkenstein Better, yes but Egill is still closer to "ey-idl" The double-L sound is particularly hard to convey. It's like a "dl" click against one's cheek. Look up one of the numerous "How to pronounce Eyjafjallajökull" videos and you'll see what I mean. =)
Drekafluga 3 months ago
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago