@lightsoul007 actually they're both wrong, that's the public excuse, income tax is really used to pay interest on national debt, that still go up because they're too in debt to themselves, or i should say in debt to the people that print their money, the income tax you pay is gone instantly, and goes to nothing but interest, and doesn't even pay that off, instead they have to borrow(print) more money from the same people, to pay off the interest, well... you can see the problem here.
That was stupid. First off, there's a difference between social conservatives and financial conservatives, same for liberals. This video pitted the stereotypical financial conservative against a stereotypical social liberal hippie.
It's also obvious that the conservative doesn't understand taxes.
it's not that simple. you could feed every fuckhead on welfare for the next 200 years with the grants our govt has given Exxon alone in the past 30 years. that is a FACT. exxon does most of it's business overseas, so you can't use the excuse they employ anyone over here. they don't. if you own a house and have no kids, you still gotta put the rich guy's 5 kids through public school with outrageous property taxes. the system is skewed to fuck the lower/middle class not the other way around.
Because so many people are working less, don't want raises, and have no ambition because they will be taxed more. "Sorry boss, I don't want a promotion, it means that I'll only get to keep 69.9% of my increased salary. I don't care that I'm still MAKING MORE MONEY."
Ooooh! I get it. The smoke less tax. The drive less tax. How about "WORK LESS" tax. Let me see, my job is 30 miles away so I'll quit and go on welfare. That will save gas. I don't smoke so no problem there. Government, being a growth industry, needs all the money they can get from us. How else are they going to bail out crooked billionaires on wall street? I hope their money printing machine in D.C. isn't broken. well if it is then I guess they'll just have to raise taxes to fix it.
Yeah, it's to keep the government going so that it can better your community and the lives of the poor. Stop being such a stingy nit-wit and let go of some of those hundreds of thousands of dollars you have, will you? It's not going to kill you if a few bucks go to charity instead of towards buying that ferrari.
Why can't anyone look at other countries (especially european ones) which have MUCH higher taxes than america and consequently MUCH higher government spending on health, education and other services, and interestingly much lower spending on defense. (proportionately) These countries have MUCH higher living standards in terms of life expectancy, crime, health, education levels, (the list goes on)
Since when have self-labeled "liberals" supported income taxes that self-labeled "conservatives" oppose? Irwin Schiff and Ron Paul are as far "left" and far "right" as people get but both oppose income taxes.
I don't like either. Republicans USED to try to save money but now it seems that they just spend it on wars. I hate obama ( not trustworthy, flip flopped on FISA )and I hate mccain ( confused, not familiar with running a country ).
In an ideal world you could have a republican that trimmed the budget and trimmed taxes.
There are Republicans who want to reduce the budget and taxes, but it seems like too many people don't vote for them because "they're not going to win" or "they don't have a chance" or "the other candidate has a better chance in the general election".
A less ignorant view of taxes comes down to this: we all have things we expect our government to do (ie, defend the borders, build roads, provide police and fire protection, etc.). To do these things government needs money, and it taxes the citizens to raise this money. People who live in a civilized nation should expect to pay a little as the price of admission for that civilization.
We should argue about how much tax is needed and how it's spent, but not the existence of taxes.
An income tax is used so that the wealthy pay their share of taxes, asshole. An income tax won't discourage people to make money, and you obviously know that. There's a big difference between taxing goods than taxing money you make. How else are you bastards going to pay for your military? Bash liberals all you want for spending too much, but at least liberals spend money they have. Look at the debt Bush has run up because of the military spending. Vote conservative, it's easier than thinking.
I'm not against paying taxes because I know that govt needs money but certain taxes such as the estate taxes and income taxes are designed to create a socialist state as outline by Karl Marx. Lets end those taxes and get revenue from some other source.
people like you are a joke to this country. it goes to show you that brainwashing is effective to the weak minded. do some fucking research and find out why we're taxed so much. our miliyary is a tiny fraction of what our tax dollar goes to. this country is going broke because the government wants it to. remember these dates. 1913, and march 9, 1933. they already have meaning in your life.
stugrenouille9: Stupid uninformed jackass. Liberals invented deficit spending, and it was liberal Congresses that pissed away the social security trust fund (remember the empty lockbox?). Also, high marginal tax rates absolutely discourage people from seeking additional income. Investment is a tradeoff between risk (of losing it) and potential income. If the potential income is reduced by excessive tax rates, you're less likely to take the risk. BTW, the defense budget is only 4% of GDP. Doofus!
This government has to think of ways to cut spending so they don't have to keep raising taxes. There's a lot they can do such as cut useless programs,end pork barrel spending and maybe the congress should take a cut in pay since they only work 110+ days a year.
Conservatives spend more than liberals so that they can keep the military going. Who cares about a few individual welfare cheats in Oakland when you have giant corporate welfare cheats in the military industry?
I am middle of the road and this is not too intelligent.
Yeah, the last thing we want is the government to have the funds to govern. Because all those CEOs of corporations will look out for the public interest.
Conservative are just completely wrong on this point.
Have you made your mind up about who you would like to see in the Whitehouse? If you could hand pick the President, who would you choose? Before you do make that important decision please check out Ron Paul. It is your choice. Make it count!
And yes, I know millionaires arent the only ones who pay taxes, but really, many Americans who aren't millionaires, are well off. Atleast when you compare our situations to the rest of the world. One thing that I find funny, is that people want lower taxes, but it seems nobody is proposing measures to lower spending.
I don't really know why people feel the need to protect the overabundance of wealth from millionaires.One thing I don't get about the argument against taxation, is that the money collected from taxes goes right back into the economy in some other form. Even if the government is inefficient in its spending, it is more benefitial to society as a whole than say, more private yachts.
For example, if you want clean streets, Public Education, Social Security, A Postal Service, An Army, Museums, A police force, a Fire Department, A Law System, And an America, put a tax on something everyone pays depending on the amount they are worth!
ok mexican. you need to stop being a piece of shit. i left a b out. ur gonna comment on people for stuff like that? how about on the contenet? i dont know whaats wrong with you, but i know where to start you egocentric conservatives piece of crap.
You seem to have something againts people who have a view of things different than urs. yea i wrote "urs". liberals are nothing like the way they are portrayed in this, or those John edward bashing videos u seem to enjoy. conservatives are nothing like the way they are shown in this either. i think that america dividing itself into two parts is neccessary, but its gotten out of hand. we are all divided amongst ourselves, which cant help this pointless war end.
if you're too thick to see that bush is a failure at everything he does, and most conservatives are too thick, then may god help you. actually i hope god doesnt help you. i hope you wallow in ur stupidity.
Now you're just insulting with your lousy spelling and grammar as usual. Also, since when were we talking about Bush? Or were you just following the "progrssive" strategy of blaming Bush until a better strategy comes along? "When in doubt, blame Bush!"
Spelling and grammar are one of the many ways I tell how educated my opponent is which would also allow me to make conclusions about the "contenet" of the post. If you hate spelling and grammar just as much as you hate conservatives then you REALLY do need help.
ill have you know that i have a genius level IQ, and that i am enrolled in the high school that was ranked #3 of best high school in the country last year by Newsweek. so fuck you.
Genius level? LOL. That's pretty funny. You must be pretty wealthy then (that is, if you're even telling the truth), much like John Edwards. That makes you a hypocrite then. Have a nice life. ;)
"ill have you know that i have a genius level IQ, and that i am enrolled in the high school that was ranked #3 of best high school in the country last year by Newsweek. so fuck you."
HAHAHAHA! Whatever. I bet you don't have a clue what IQ means. And genius IQ? Please. One with a genius IQ would not post as incorrect as you. And High School = Nothing. Wait till you hit college. That's what counts.
So what do you want to do when you grow up? Sit on your fat ass and collect welfare checks? Without proper English and grammar you are doomed to failure and will be an unemployed homeless person for the rest of your life. Congratulations. You must set such high standards for yourself.
ummm grow up? yeah anyway Mr. "Im 21". I'm a bit older than you. I have a degree and a good paying job. I just can't stand anal retentive people. As for standards? These aren't white papers we're writing here. It's just lame ass internet chat that I bang out faster than you can "porno". I coodnt care les ef I make a tipo hare. Az long as you get the mesaj. DAt all dat matrs. get it?? ya anal retentive freak.
Funny commercial. Too bad the conservatives don't have a party in the US anymore... Just the Democrats and the Neocons now. Not a whole lot for them to disagree on anymore except for federal control on issues like gay marriage, abortion, and prayer in government schools... Taxes? Republicans LOVE taxes now. Where ya been?
Yes, that's why we have war to put the debt on a Credit Card and only pay the interest. Cost of the interest is 19 cents on every dollar made in the USA. At that rate we would never be out of debt.
ok lets look at this very simple, a pack of cigarretes costs about 4 dollars. Incomes range from 7,000 dollars a year to 3 million dollars a year. Does it make sense that the federal government should fund itself from items that cost 4 dollars or should they take tax off incomes of 1,2, or 3 million dollars. One of these affects the everday man and the other just the top 3% of our nation.
Yeah, great idea, conservatives, let's get rid of the federal government. No more army, no more FBI, or CIA, or any of those nice pretty bombs you love to drop on Arabs' heads. Fucking idiots.
Hey Grebrook, they love dropping them on Arabs heads as much as Clinton did in Kosovo. Were you protesting Clinton when he attacked a nation that had no WMD and posed no threat to national security? Nice talking points, you have been a faithful servant to the Clintons.
Were you protesting Clinton he bombed Kosovo and Bosnia? What WMD did they possess? What threat were they to the US? How many of our soldiers were killed in that SNAFU? Your ilk keep saying that even one is too many, but under Clinton it was okay. War is always wrong, unless a Dem is waging it.
Tricked? Was it trickery when Al Gore, running for vice president the first time around said that Saddam was a threat, he had WMD's,he was a sponsor of terrorism that Bush Sr. was too weak and that embargo's would do nothing? That Saddam was a threat to the peace in the region etc etc. Bush Jr didn't say anything that Clinton and Gore didn't say in 2001. Look for it on here at You Tube.
the best health care in the world! if you think sociaized healthcare is the way to go then you should isit detroit, seattle, upstate NY, etc... and check out the canadians who would otherwise have to wait in a huge line but can now get quick and effective medical attention.
Yeah, it really stinks our healthcare system, that is why people from countries with socialized healthcare can't get here fast enough. That is why millions leave their homes to become citizens here every year, so they can live in poverty ? I work on an Ambulance and we treat all regardless of the ability to pay. If America is so bad and our healthcare stinks, then please tell all those immigrants to explain why they want to live here in the first place.
Don't joke with me, man. People come to your country because they *think* they can make money there, not because your healthcare system is so good. Because it's not! In your country, even a kid died right outside of the hospital emergency room on the street because the hospital workers inside refused to carry him in!
Well, while it sounds good, its just not true. If a child died outside an ER there would be trial lawyers just itching to sue the hospital. While you are long on rhetoric you are very short on facts. People come to this country for a better life that their home countries cannot afford them.
After all, no one is keeping them here. Why are they not returning home? Don't you think word would get out about how bad it is here? I eman, after all, you know how abd it is and who are you? Again, you socialist, communist talking points have no bearing in reality. And Is say this as a person in the emergency medical profession that you my friend are incorrect, no one is turned away and that is exactly why people from countries with socialized medicine are coming here.
Oh yeah, OrthodoxRobert? So you say I am lying? Then go to google, search for "Christopher Sercye" and then click on the first CNN article you find! That kid bled to death right before the hospital!
First of all, as the article states, he friends "dumped" him at a non - trauma hospital. What that means is they were not equipped to deal with his kind of wound. Secondly, the failure to help him had nothing to do with money and everything to do with a policy that prevented them from going outside. In case you didn't know Chicago isn't a nice town. The boy died from a stupid safety policy that has been changed.
Now, I know that countries that have socialized medicine are able to deal with any and every kind of wound and every single ER. You just simply take the writings of Marx, Lenin or Mao Tse Tung and lay them on them and their magically healed.
If an ambulance had been called, he would have been taken to a proper emergency facility equipped to deal with trauma. Once there he would have been taken directly into surgery, and all of this without regard for his ability to pay.
Again, how do I know this? 1. I work on an ambulance. 2. It happens in this country every day. Its not just trauma, it is with any medical condition. We report to a 9-1-1 call and then we take the patient to the facility that is proper for their condition...all regardless of the patients ability to pay.
I said nothing about the national health system or poverty and neither did this video. Its simply stating the basic difference in tax prespectives of the two US political parties. And the US may not be perfect, but its the best country on this planet. If you have a problem with it try living in another country and see how "awesome" their governments are.
Well you started this whole topic by saying "conservatives definitely have it right when it comes to taxes". But if you want a better health-care system or reduce the rampant poverty in your country, you will have to increase taxes. So indirectly you DID say something about these things.
Some words should only be taken at face value and not scrutinized for a deeper meaning. However, aside from your increasing taxes poverty "solution" there are other options. Perhaps not taking 1/3 in taxes of everything any American makes would leave them enough money to pay for their own health-care. People need to be their own responsibility for most of the time. The government isn't in existence to baby-sit citizens that haven't figured out how to live their lives.
It exists to do the will of the people, most of which are actually not poor. And poverty, by the way, is rarely forced upon someone. If an American Citizen truly wishes to make something of themselves and crawl of poverty our country provides the tools, they only need the motivation.
You're obviously American, I don't even need to look at your profile. Have you ever been to Europe? I suggest you come over and see for yourself how much better our health care system is and how little poverty we have.
Zero poverty in America and we have the best heath care in the world. No one is ever denied; even illegals. You can tell that I'm an American because America is a unique and distinct philosophy rooted in liberty. America is an expirement in freedom but sadly it is under assault by socialistic ideals. All groups are oppressive to the individual no matter what the group and that is the basis for the US Constitution. Try not to sound so jealous; you too can be American!
I suggest you look at your Muslim population and how much taxpayers have to pay for your "terrific health care system". Check on your fertility rate while you're at it.
Just becuase the liberal was an idiot does not mean the conservative didn't make his point. Simply put, if people have more money then they have more to spend which is good for the economy. I prefer less taxes which equals less government (not meaning zero government, just what is necessary for freedom and safety). Income tax is "to keep the government going" and you don't need to do much research to find the government can be fairly ineffecient at spending.... (500 char) :-(
OMG! Do some research people! I work for a government tax department (Similar to IRS in USA but actually legal and set out in legislation) Individual (you and me) income tax makes up such a tiny fraction of a government's total tax revenue. Most comes from business gains and profit...
(Cont.) The USA individual income tax system should never have existed. It actually sets out in your Constitution that only gains and profits are to be taxed and not the individual income generated by a person's labour. A "CONSERVATIVE" administration essentially privatised the U.S federal reserve...
(Cont.2)This meant that the government could no longer print its own money. It now had to go to the federal reserve (essentially a group of the largest privately owned banks in the U.S.A) and 'borrow' the cash to fund govt expenditure and would then be charged an interest expense for the funds...
So at the same time they pushed through a bill to create the Federal Reserve, they also pushed through a bill to create an individual income tax collection system. The new additional revenue from this system would be used to pay the interest on the funds borrowed from the Federal Reserve. The USA has no written law that requires an individual to file their taxes with the IRS...
Dodgy thing was the Govt waited until the Holidays to intro the bill, when most members of congress were home for the holidays. The bill passed and the Federal Reserve and Individual income tax system was created.However, the taxes and the need for a person to file their taxes was never made law, you wont find it written in law. Yet, a person will go to jail if they dont file their taxes.Another fine example of the US public not realy know how their govt works and missing the point
You're right, the bill was never ratified by congress. So therefore there is no law to enforce income tax, yet if you don't pay your taxes you are a law breaker. hum?
Sorry, but the liberal was an idiot. Income tax was originally meant to be a method for making sure those who had much were taxed more than those who had little, because the impact on standard of living for a person making $200000 if you take away 40% is a lot different than taking 40$ of someone's income who earns $40000 each year, even though percentage is the same. It had been perverted over time.
Very true, great video. By the way haloover we are a representative republic not a true democracy. Most of the stuff you listed comes from local and state taxes, not the IRS.
lol... gee, and I thought taxes were to provide beautiful parks, clean streets, public libraries, a proper military, medicine to keep people from dying, police to keep us safe, schools to keep ourselves an intelligent/informed democracy, firemen, half-way homes to help addicts find a better life, roads,etc...
Oh, I get it - you just don't like taxes for things you disagree with!
sometimes taxing can be abused. surely you are intelligent to know that big taxes means big gov't. wait until you graduate college and start paying shitloads of taxes. you will understand.
the only reason they tax the rich is because they lack the votes to protect themselves in most cases. Tax any other income bracket and you have a riot... tax the rich and you have a couple hundred people shaking their fist at you and moving their money into tax shelters.
And that's how you switch from Surplus to Deficit.
hazfumblr 5 days ago
Income tax stop the rich from exploiting the poor and middle class.
seventhmetro 1 month ago
conservatives suck cock
xxMadStefanxx 8 months ago
@xxMadStefanxx, said the user with "Mad" in their name.
Mad: Definition 2. insane or lacking ethical morality.
(I'm an Independent and I don't trust either political party.)
DragoSonicMile 7 months ago
damm it i broke the dislike button im calling yoube to fix it
xxMadStefanxx 8 months ago
Comment removed
xxMadStefanxx 8 months ago
LOL, AMERICA, WHO WANTS ALL ITS COUNTRY'S CITIZENS TO HAVE ACCESS TO DECENT HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION, AMIRITE?
[I'm spending my Socialist handouts on booze and holidaying: WHO WITH ME!?]
PieSeXual 1 year ago
What? I don't get this ad. They're both absolutely right. That's what income tax is for, liberals and conservatives both use taxes for this reason.
lightsoul007 1 year ago 3
@lightsoul007 *facepalm*
BlingBIow 1 year ago
@lightsoul007 actually they're both wrong, that's the public excuse, income tax is really used to pay interest on national debt, that still go up because they're too in debt to themselves, or i should say in debt to the people that print their money, the income tax you pay is gone instantly, and goes to nothing but interest, and doesn't even pay that off, instead they have to borrow(print) more money from the same people, to pay off the interest, well... you can see the problem here.
PattyManatty 1 year ago
uhhhh i dont get it !
karemlovu 2 years ago
Great video. Very true xD
mearna 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Conservatives are the sickest people on the planet, Fucking morons trying to push there religious views on people.
FelisCatusLover 2 years ago
lamest vid ever wtf??
llovdw 2 years ago
That was stupid. First off, there's a difference between social conservatives and financial conservatives, same for liberals. This video pitted the stereotypical financial conservative against a stereotypical social liberal hippie.
It's also obvious that the conservative doesn't understand taxes.
Mienk 2 years ago
mac still sucks balls
llovdw 2 years ago 13
Precisely.
Yownanymous 2 years ago
@llovdw explain...
PickaxeFilms 8 months ago
@PickaxeFilms
GOOGLE: why mac sucks :p
llovdw 8 months ago
it's not that simple. you could feed every fuckhead on welfare for the next 200 years with the grants our govt has given Exxon alone in the past 30 years. that is a FACT. exxon does most of it's business overseas, so you can't use the excuse they employ anyone over here. they don't. if you own a house and have no kids, you still gotta put the rich guy's 5 kids through public school with outrageous property taxes. the system is skewed to fuck the lower/middle class not the other way around.
nickrock23 2 years ago
Because so many people are working less, don't want raises, and have no ambition because they will be taxed more. "Sorry boss, I don't want a promotion, it means that I'll only get to keep 69.9% of my increased salary. I don't care that I'm still MAKING MORE MONEY."
brandtyr 3 years ago
Wow... That was terrible.
DreiHundertftw 3 years ago
Ooooh! I get it. The smoke less tax. The drive less tax. How about "WORK LESS" tax. Let me see, my job is 30 miles away so I'll quit and go on welfare. That will save gas. I don't smoke so no problem there. Government, being a growth industry, needs all the money they can get from us. How else are they going to bail out crooked billionaires on wall street? I hope their money printing machine in D.C. isn't broken. well if it is then I guess they'll just have to raise taxes to fix it.
almartin77 3 years ago 9
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Got Creativity? LOL LOL LOL. no.
o0xst 3 years ago
Yeah, it's to keep the government going so that it can better your community and the lives of the poor. Stop being such a stingy nit-wit and let go of some of those hundreds of thousands of dollars you have, will you? It's not going to kill you if a few bucks go to charity instead of towards buying that ferrari.
1yK3Y4 3 years ago
Why can't anyone look at other countries (especially european ones) which have MUCH higher taxes than america and consequently MUCH higher government spending on health, education and other services, and interestingly much lower spending on defense. (proportionately) These countries have MUCH higher living standards in terms of life expectancy, crime, health, education levels, (the list goes on)
chima987 3 years ago
Since when have self-labeled "liberals" supported income taxes that self-labeled "conservatives" oppose? Irwin Schiff and Ron Paul are as far "left" and far "right" as people get but both oppose income taxes.
TayZonday 3 years ago
so true. r government is so corrupt. u cant even tell a republican from a democrat now
FalloutOfMe 3 years ago
Democrats tax and spend.
Republicans borrow and spend.
I don't like either. Republicans USED to try to save money but now it seems that they just spend it on wars. I hate obama ( not trustworthy, flip flopped on FISA )and I hate mccain ( confused, not familiar with running a country ).
In an ideal world you could have a republican that trimmed the budget and trimmed taxes.
Resiroth 3 years ago
There are Republicans who want to reduce the budget and taxes, but it seems like too many people don't vote for them because "they're not going to win" or "they don't have a chance" or "the other candidate has a better chance in the general election".
defenderofliberty 3 years ago
Get rid of all Federal Income Tax and support the Fair Tax.
85Pats 3 years ago
no law on income tax...lick my balls
closk01 3 years ago
A less ignorant view of taxes comes down to this: we all have things we expect our government to do (ie, defend the borders, build roads, provide police and fire protection, etc.). To do these things government needs money, and it taxes the citizens to raise this money. People who live in a civilized nation should expect to pay a little as the price of admission for that civilization.
We should argue about how much tax is needed and how it's spent, but not the existence of taxes.
professor2442 3 years ago
wat da h**L IS WRONG WIT YA'LL TAXES SUCK
jqet 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
vote ron paul
ikkaruss 3 years ago
screw liberals.
weaponsjohn 3 years ago
An income tax is used so that the wealthy pay their share of taxes, asshole. An income tax won't discourage people to make money, and you obviously know that. There's a big difference between taxing goods than taxing money you make. How else are you bastards going to pay for your military? Bash liberals all you want for spending too much, but at least liberals spend money they have. Look at the debt Bush has run up because of the military spending. Vote conservative, it's easier than thinking.
stugrenouille9 4 years ago
Vote liberal, its easier than getting a job.
Or being a respectable human being.
Sieces 3 years ago 2
I'm not against paying taxes because I know that govt needs money but certain taxes such as the estate taxes and income taxes are designed to create a socialist state as outline by Karl Marx. Lets end those taxes and get revenue from some other source.
timbosforporn 3 years ago
people like you are a joke to this country. it goes to show you that brainwashing is effective to the weak minded. do some fucking research and find out why we're taxed so much. our miliyary is a tiny fraction of what our tax dollar goes to. this country is going broke because the government wants it to. remember these dates. 1913, and march 9, 1933. they already have meaning in your life.
bummedout08 3 years ago
stugrenouille9: Stupid uninformed jackass. Liberals invented deficit spending, and it was liberal Congresses that pissed away the social security trust fund (remember the empty lockbox?). Also, high marginal tax rates absolutely discourage people from seeking additional income. Investment is a tradeoff between risk (of losing it) and potential income. If the potential income is reduced by excessive tax rates, you're less likely to take the risk. BTW, the defense budget is only 4% of GDP. Doofus!
JohnR22926 3 years ago
I believe FDR popularized deficit spending, but he was not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination: he was a fascist.
161803 3 years ago
Raise taxes it's easier than thinking.
This government has to think of ways to cut spending so they don't have to keep raising taxes. There's a lot they can do such as cut useless programs,end pork barrel spending and maybe the congress should take a cut in pay since they only work 110+ days a year.
Just some ideas for starters.
85Pats 3 years ago
Vote Liberal!
Redomar 4 years ago
taxes on cigs = discourages smoking
taxes on gas = discourages driving
taxes on income = less business investing in for fear of not reaping the rewards of their investment.
timbosforporn 4 years ago
Thanks to the offshoring of jobs, fewer will be able to pay taxes... or spend money on much of anything...
And until corporations pay for wars, how else can the government keep going and spend money for the military?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
Thanks to the offshoring of jobs, fewer will be able to pay taxes... or spend money on much of anything...
And until corporations pay for wars, how else can the government keep going and spend money for the military?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
And thanks to offshoring, we won't have to worry about taxes... or spending either!
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
Conservatives spend more than liberals so that they can keep the military going. Who cares about a few individual welfare cheats in Oakland when you have giant corporate welfare cheats in the military industry?
Sims2789 4 years ago 2
The way I see it neither of you understand the true nature of taxes.
Coserevative what?
vomjoe 4 years ago
I am middle of the road and this is not too intelligent.
Yeah, the last thing we want is the government to have the funds to govern. Because all those CEOs of corporations will look out for the public interest.
Conservative are just completely wrong on this point.
gjbassetthotmail 4 years ago
Thanks to the offshoring of jobs, fewer will be able to pay taxes... or spend money on much of anything...
And until corporations pay for wars, how else can the government keep going and spend money for the military?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
Why do corporations have to pay for wars anymore than any other tax paying entitity in this country.
timbosforporn 4 years ago
Thanks HypnoToad good point but, you already texted this 4 times now.
85Pats 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Have you made your mind up about who you would like to see in the Whitehouse? If you could hand pick the President, who would you choose? Before you do make that important decision please check out Ron Paul. It is your choice. Make it count!
ubuchuckp4 4 years ago
This is our shot at abolishing the IRS.
Ron Paul needs Your support! Ron Pauls message is Powerful! Ron Paul for President! GO RON GO!
ubuchuckp4 4 years ago
And yes, I know millionaires arent the only ones who pay taxes, but really, many Americans who aren't millionaires, are well off. Atleast when you compare our situations to the rest of the world. One thing that I find funny, is that people want lower taxes, but it seems nobody is proposing measures to lower spending.
danchize 4 years ago
Other than withdrawing out of Iraq, of course.
danchize 4 years ago 2
I don't really know why people feel the need to protect the overabundance of wealth from millionaires.One thing I don't get about the argument against taxation, is that the money collected from taxes goes right back into the economy in some other form. Even if the government is inefficient in its spending, it is more benefitial to society as a whole than say, more private yachts.
danchize 4 years ago
Back to the subject at hand (the video): I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
69HemiGTX 4 years ago
Ummm...It's the RIGHT way to be? That sounds a little heady to me. And a little incorrect.
liberalatheistbunny 4 years ago
I'm not conservative or liberal, kinda in the middle, but this is friggin' hilarious.
iwebber88 4 years ago
For example, if you want clean streets, Public Education, Social Security, A Postal Service, An Army, Museums, A police force, a Fire Department, A Law System, And an America, put a tax on something everyone pays depending on the amount they are worth!
dubdub01 4 years ago
oh god. ur not trying to convert people to conservatism (probably not right term) are you?
briff88888888 4 years ago
Oh God. "Ur" spelling couldn't be worse, could it?
josethemexican16 4 years ago
i was abreviating it. stop being a dick.
thegrumpysailors 4 years ago
No. Briff was "abreviating" it, but apparently you need spelling lessons as well.
josethemexican16 4 years ago
ok mexican. you need to stop being a piece of shit. i left a b out. ur gonna comment on people for stuff like that? how about on the contenet? i dont know whaats wrong with you, but i know where to start you egocentric conservatives piece of crap.
briff88888888 4 years ago
You seem to have something againts people who have a view of things different than urs. yea i wrote "urs". liberals are nothing like the way they are portrayed in this, or those John edward bashing videos u seem to enjoy. conservatives are nothing like the way they are shown in this either. i think that america dividing itself into two parts is neccessary, but its gotten out of hand. we are all divided amongst ourselves, which cant help this pointless war end.
briff88888888 4 years ago
John Edwards is a hypocrite and a liar. If you're too thick to see that then may God help you.
josethemexican16 4 years ago
if you're too thick to see that bush is a failure at everything he does, and most conservatives are too thick, then may god help you. actually i hope god doesnt help you. i hope you wallow in ur stupidity.
briff88888888 4 years ago
Now you're just insulting with your lousy spelling and grammar as usual. Also, since when were we talking about Bush? Or were you just following the "progrssive" strategy of blaming Bush until a better strategy comes along? "When in doubt, blame Bush!"
josethemexican16 4 years ago
Spelling and grammar are one of the many ways I tell how educated my opponent is which would also allow me to make conclusions about the "contenet" of the post. If you hate spelling and grammar just as much as you hate conservatives then you REALLY do need help.
josethemexican16 4 years ago
ill have you know that i have a genius level IQ, and that i am enrolled in the high school that was ranked #3 of best high school in the country last year by Newsweek. so fuck you.
briff88888888 4 years ago
Genius level? LOL. That's pretty funny. You must be pretty wealthy then (that is, if you're even telling the truth), much like John Edwards. That makes you a hypocrite then. Have a nice life. ;)
josethemexican16 4 years ago
"ill have you know that i have a genius level IQ, and that i am enrolled in the high school that was ranked #3 of best high school in the country last year by Newsweek. so fuck you."
HAHAHAHA! Whatever. I bet you don't have a clue what IQ means. And genius IQ? Please. One with a genius IQ would not post as incorrect as you. And High School = Nothing. Wait till you hit college. That's what counts.
iwebber88 4 years ago
it means intelligence quotient
briff88888888 4 years ago
-Says the little boy who can't type with correct capitalization and grammar.
josethemexican16 4 years ago
phukin speling poleece. stfu. this is the internet not english 101
wahkean 4 years ago
So what do you want to do when you grow up? Sit on your fat ass and collect welfare checks? Without proper English and grammar you are doomed to failure and will be an unemployed homeless person for the rest of your life. Congratulations. You must set such high standards for yourself.
josethemexican16 4 years ago 3
ummm grow up? yeah anyway Mr. "Im 21". I'm a bit older than you. I have a degree and a good paying job. I just can't stand anal retentive people. As for standards? These aren't white papers we're writing here. It's just lame ass internet chat that I bang out faster than you can "porno". I coodnt care les ef I make a tipo hare. Az long as you get the mesaj. DAt all dat matrs. get it?? ya anal retentive freak.
wahkean 4 years ago
Nice spelling. Judging by your insults I can tell you must really want to carry this on.
josethemexican16 3 years ago
made you look
wahkean 3 years ago
made you look twice
dodgydogman 3 years ago
What are you going to be when you grow up? A youtube spell checker?
wahkean 4 years ago 2
Funny commercial. Too bad the conservatives don't have a party in the US anymore... Just the Democrats and the Neocons now. Not a whole lot for them to disagree on anymore except for federal control on issues like gay marriage, abortion, and prayer in government schools... Taxes? Republicans LOVE taxes now. Where ya been?
starpilot1 4 years ago
Yes, that's why we have war to put the debt on a Credit Card and only pay the interest. Cost of the interest is 19 cents on every dollar made in the USA. At that rate we would never be out of debt.
Rep's think Americans are stupid.
pbilger 4 years ago
ok lets look at this very simple, a pack of cigarretes costs about 4 dollars. Incomes range from 7,000 dollars a year to 3 million dollars a year. Does it make sense that the federal government should fund itself from items that cost 4 dollars or should they take tax off incomes of 1,2, or 3 million dollars. One of these affects the everday man and the other just the top 3% of our nation.
alexausamerika47 4 years ago
So I guess the millionaire isn't being taxed on his #200,000-dollar automobiles or $5,000-per-night hotel suites?
zoomwsu 4 years ago
Hehe, very nice.
Yairio 4 years ago
Yeah, great idea, conservatives, let's get rid of the federal government. No more army, no more FBI, or CIA, or any of those nice pretty bombs you love to drop on Arabs' heads. Fucking idiots.
Grebrook 4 years ago
Hey Grebrook, they love dropping them on Arabs heads as much as Clinton did in Kosovo. Were you protesting Clinton when he attacked a nation that had no WMD and posed no threat to national security? Nice talking points, you have been a faithful servant to the Clintons.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
And we have found exactly... HOW MANY wmd's in Iraq? How about Afghanistan?
And I'm talking facts, not "known unknowns"...
Or was it "unknown knowns"? I don't know, I don't speak spin-doctor...
darkitechture 3 years ago
Were you protesting Clinton he bombed Kosovo and Bosnia? What WMD did they possess? What threat were they to the US? How many of our soldiers were killed in that SNAFU? Your ilk keep saying that even one is too many, but under Clinton it was okay. War is always wrong, unless a Dem is waging it.
OrthodoxRobert 3 years ago
Well, I was too young to understand what was going on with Kosovo et al. Now I'm educated enough to see that something's wrong.
Is there anything wrong with me becoming disillusioned when a repulican is in office?
darkitechture 3 years ago
Also, on a second note, we were never tricked into sending military into Kosovo or Bosnia under the false pretense of "weapons of mass deception"
darkitechture 3 years ago
Tricked? Was it trickery when Al Gore, running for vice president the first time around said that Saddam was a threat, he had WMD's,he was a sponsor of terrorism that Bush Sr. was too weak and that embargo's would do nothing? That Saddam was a threat to the peace in the region etc etc. Bush Jr didn't say anything that Clinton and Gore didn't say in 2001. Look for it on here at You Tube.
OrthodoxRobert 3 years ago
Conservatives definitely have it right when it comes to taxes. This vid is so true.
Animorpha2 4 years ago
<sarcasm>
Oh, that's why the USA also has such a brilliant national health system and so few people living in poverty, right?
</sarcasm>
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
the best health care in the world! if you think sociaized healthcare is the way to go then you should isit detroit, seattle, upstate NY, etc... and check out the canadians who would otherwise have to wait in a huge line but can now get quick and effective medical attention.
FerdSnow 4 years ago
Yeah, it really stinks our healthcare system, that is why people from countries with socialized healthcare can't get here fast enough. That is why millions leave their homes to become citizens here every year, so they can live in poverty ? I work on an Ambulance and we treat all regardless of the ability to pay. If America is so bad and our healthcare stinks, then please tell all those immigrants to explain why they want to live here in the first place.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
Don't joke with me, man. People come to your country because they *think* they can make money there, not because your healthcare system is so good. Because it's not! In your country, even a kid died right outside of the hospital emergency room on the street because the hospital workers inside refused to carry him in!
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
Well, while it sounds good, its just not true. If a child died outside an ER there would be trial lawyers just itching to sue the hospital. While you are long on rhetoric you are very short on facts. People come to this country for a better life that their home countries cannot afford them.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
After all, no one is keeping them here. Why are they not returning home? Don't you think word would get out about how bad it is here? I eman, after all, you know how abd it is and who are you? Again, you socialist, communist talking points have no bearing in reality. And Is say this as a person in the emergency medical profession that you my friend are incorrect, no one is turned away and that is exactly why people from countries with socialized medicine are coming here.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
Oh yeah, OrthodoxRobert? So you say I am lying? Then go to google, search for "Christopher Sercye" and then click on the first CNN article you find! That kid bled to death right before the hospital!
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
First of all, as the article states, he friends "dumped" him at a non - trauma hospital. What that means is they were not equipped to deal with his kind of wound. Secondly, the failure to help him had nothing to do with money and everything to do with a policy that prevented them from going outside. In case you didn't know Chicago isn't a nice town. The boy died from a stupid safety policy that has been changed.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
Now, I know that countries that have socialized medicine are able to deal with any and every kind of wound and every single ER. You just simply take the writings of Marx, Lenin or Mao Tse Tung and lay them on them and their magically healed.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
If an ambulance had been called, he would have been taken to a proper emergency facility equipped to deal with trauma. Once there he would have been taken directly into surgery, and all of this without regard for his ability to pay.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
Again, how do I know this? 1. I work on an ambulance. 2. It happens in this country every day. Its not just trauma, it is with any medical condition. We report to a 9-1-1 call and then we take the patient to the facility that is proper for their condition...all regardless of the patients ability to pay.
OrthodoxRobert 4 years ago
I said nothing about the national health system or poverty and neither did this video. Its simply stating the basic difference in tax prespectives of the two US political parties. And the US may not be perfect, but its the best country on this planet. If you have a problem with it try living in another country and see how "awesome" their governments are.
Animorpha2 4 years ago
Well you started this whole topic by saying "conservatives definitely have it right when it comes to taxes". But if you want a better health-care system or reduce the rampant poverty in your country, you will have to increase taxes. So indirectly you DID say something about these things.
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
Some words should only be taken at face value and not scrutinized for a deeper meaning. However, aside from your increasing taxes poverty "solution" there are other options. Perhaps not taking 1/3 in taxes of everything any American makes would leave them enough money to pay for their own health-care. People need to be their own responsibility for most of the time. The government isn't in existence to baby-sit citizens that haven't figured out how to live their lives.
Animorpha2 4 years ago
It exists to do the will of the people, most of which are actually not poor. And poverty, by the way, is rarely forced upon someone. If an American Citizen truly wishes to make something of themselves and crawl of poverty our country provides the tools, they only need the motivation.
Animorpha2 4 years ago
How does increased taxes make a better health care system or reduce poverty?
bamos40 4 years ago
You're obviously American, I don't even need to look at your profile. Have you ever been to Europe? I suggest you come over and see for yourself how much better our health care system is and how little poverty we have.
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
Zero poverty in America and we have the best heath care in the world. No one is ever denied; even illegals. You can tell that I'm an American because America is a unique and distinct philosophy rooted in liberty. America is an expirement in freedom but sadly it is under assault by socialistic ideals. All groups are oppressive to the individual no matter what the group and that is the basis for the US Constitution. Try not to sound so jealous; you too can be American!
bamos40 4 years ago
You're just fooling with me, aren't you? You can't be serious.
EmperorAtahualpa 4 years ago
I suggest you look at your Muslim population and how much taxpayers have to pay for your "terrific health care system". Check on your fertility rate while you're at it.
josethemexican16 4 years ago
Nice Vid. This could not have been demonstrated any simpler.. fairtax dot org the next step
anbservers 4 years ago
Just becuase the liberal was an idiot does not mean the conservative didn't make his point. Simply put, if people have more money then they have more to spend which is good for the economy. I prefer less taxes which equals less government (not meaning zero government, just what is necessary for freedom and safety). Income tax is "to keep the government going" and you don't need to do much research to find the government can be fairly ineffecient at spending.... (500 char) :-(
wcire 4 years ago
OMG! Do some research people! I work for a government tax department (Similar to IRS in USA but actually legal and set out in legislation) Individual (you and me) income tax makes up such a tiny fraction of a government's total tax revenue. Most comes from business gains and profit...
jamin69 4 years ago
(Cont.) The USA individual income tax system should never have existed. It actually sets out in your Constitution that only gains and profits are to be taxed and not the individual income generated by a person's labour. A "CONSERVATIVE" administration essentially privatised the U.S federal reserve...
jamin69 4 years ago
(Cont.2)This meant that the government could no longer print its own money. It now had to go to the federal reserve (essentially a group of the largest privately owned banks in the U.S.A) and 'borrow' the cash to fund govt expenditure and would then be charged an interest expense for the funds...
jamin69 4 years ago
So at the same time they pushed through a bill to create the Federal Reserve, they also pushed through a bill to create an individual income tax collection system. The new additional revenue from this system would be used to pay the interest on the funds borrowed from the Federal Reserve. The USA has no written law that requires an individual to file their taxes with the IRS...
jamin69 4 years ago
Dodgy thing was the Govt waited until the Holidays to intro the bill, when most members of congress were home for the holidays. The bill passed and the Federal Reserve and Individual income tax system was created.However, the taxes and the need for a person to file their taxes was never made law, you wont find it written in law. Yet, a person will go to jail if they dont file their taxes.Another fine example of the US public not realy know how their govt works and missing the point
jamin69 4 years ago
You're right, the bill was never ratified by congress. So therefore there is no law to enforce income tax, yet if you don't pay your taxes you are a law breaker. hum?
KCtheKat 4 years ago
I guess you could be right but I have a hard time believing that income tax is a small percentage knowing how many people are affected by it...
wcire 4 years ago
Sorry, but the liberal was an idiot. Income tax was originally meant to be a method for making sure those who had much were taxed more than those who had little, because the impact on standard of living for a person making $200000 if you take away 40% is a lot different than taking 40$ of someone's income who earns $40000 each year, even though percentage is the same. It had been perverted over time.
nanite1018 4 years ago 2
Very true, great video. By the way haloover we are a representative republic not a true democracy. Most of the stuff you listed comes from local and state taxes, not the IRS.
tgunner74 4 years ago
lol... gee, and I thought taxes were to provide beautiful parks, clean streets, public libraries, a proper military, medicine to keep people from dying, police to keep us safe, schools to keep ourselves an intelligent/informed democracy, firemen, half-way homes to help addicts find a better life, roads,etc...
Oh, I get it - you just don't like taxes for things you disagree with!
haloover 4 years ago
exactly!
FerdSnow 4 years ago
sometimes taxing can be abused. surely you are intelligent to know that big taxes means big gov't. wait until you graduate college and start paying shitloads of taxes. you will understand.
FerdSnow 4 years ago
are they "a" idiot or "an" idiot?
djbrannon1 4 years ago
wow.....who ever made this is a idiot
haloover 4 years ago
your only 21. what do you know about paying taxes?
FerdSnow 4 years ago
Great vid! Too true.
mnixxon 4 years ago
Great video, very true.
TheAmericanManifesto 4 years ago
the only reason they tax the rich is because they lack the votes to protect themselves in most cases. Tax any other income bracket and you have a riot... tax the rich and you have a couple hundred people shaking their fist at you and moving their money into tax shelters.
Karmashock 4 years ago
Another issue is the taxes received from smoking. If people stop smoking, then there is no tax revenue. No tax revenue, budget short-fall. No logic.
JayAreDubya 4 years ago
this is a great ad,it makes perfect sense.
homelandar15 4 years ago
This ad will not be effective because it is logical.
FerdSnow 4 years ago