US got money and world needs it. but also free thinkers. and republicans are hindrance to it. other countries have democratic govt. but the agenda should be science. and not overpopulation of the earth. i mean capitalism is good for humanity . but imperialism and killing people for money is not. and derailing other countries for exploitation. and yes republicans sucks big time. agree with you . imperialism is not a myth.
@demarch77 I am just wondering if you are serious or joking. The ignorance of history and reality in which we live that you have is so fantastically huge that it would be pointless to even debate you. The lack the basics.
What about brettwoods? what about central america and dirty CIA wars that killed millions? What over throwing democratic governments to install dictators that will give us keep oil and goods?
Your an idiot, you don't even know what I am talking about do you?
people like you who offer little to no real research about the topics you discuss are the reason we are all getting dumber and more disconnected from reality. You should get down on your knees and thank God for the internet, where meat puppets like you can have an open forum to bullshit people with word vomit. Funny stuff. Choke yourself.
Textbook troll comment from a textbook troll account.
''the internet, where meat puppets like you have an open forum to bullshit"
Everything I discuss on here, I've also discussed with people I've had over at the house, or elsewhere in public. I've been arguing before the net boom, but only on the net do anonymous little shits like you feel comfortable enough to spew their baseless attacks. Defend specific issues you have with this video in a real-time debate with me. Prove you're not a troll.
Here's the thing. How many people do you know that can tell you what the national debt is within a trillion dollars, or even know it is measured in trillions to begin with? That means you can throw debt versus deficit, imports versus exports, military spending, balance of power strategies, foreign policy, and a lot of other things out the window. Many won't care about the finer points until they are standing in bread lines. American dollars MUST be acquiring resources/applied to debt like China.
because the powers that be have long made it clear it's not going to happen. That's half the reason the tension with Iran is what it has always been, and Iraq has basically told American companies to get lost on the issue as well. That's why America was buying new interests on the west coast of Africa two years ago when they had been popping Americans full of bullshit that a new flow of Mid East oil would be forthcoming. People that think we do the Mid East for oil need only look to Nigeria.
America's balance of power strategy in the Middle East has always been about religion and oil. It was always about killing two birds with one stone; serving Israel with fantasies of endless drilling rights across the region as well, long before the USSR was even a twinkle in the military and social engineers eyes. Russia hasn't been in the region fro two decades and we're currently propping up the sectarian who lost the last Iraqi election. It's not really even about oil there anymore,
the need to interfere after ww2 well supposedly it was to stop communism and soviet union the horrific opressive system of those days.but that was pretty much bull propaganda and unfortunately usa americans arent that bright especially the republican supporters.i mean alot of them deny the fact this country has done crimes to humanity and still is.
SO well said! Bravo. Don't forget there are website infiltrators who are paid to write such condescending BS in defence of the 'USA status quo'.
Other idiots sadly believe it. But many, like yourself, are not fooled. Slavery isnt preferable to the minimum wage and if America is a 'father', it's only in the way that Hans Fritzl is.a father. i.e. a violent, crooked, suffocating, lying bully who loves to trap people underground and feed them bullshit.
I never said it was the job of capitalism to be ennobling. If you read my statement correctly, you'd see that I defer to the Frankenstein theory. So I do understand capitalism very well. I'm uncertain that you do, though. As for 11/2, it was the US that got shellacked. The Bolsheviks have taken Congress - fine. Now in bringing down Barak Kerensky, you'll wreck the place to finish the job. For an evil 9/11 perp wanting US destruction, 11/2 is a second holiday. Enjoy. :)
@citizentime Stalin would love your morality. :) Like yourself, he saw nothing wrong with liberating countries from evil dictators and imposing puppet satellite regi - uh, democratic nation building. "A nation must impose its own social system as far as its armies can reach."
And you've articulated the greatest fallacy of the past decade: that "the 9/11 terrorists" had anything to do with the governments or people of Iraq and Afghanistan who continue to pay the price of imperial policies masked as blood revenge. This is the mentality of those Nazi counter-insurgent units that burned down villages for sheltering one Communist partisan, and not welcoming Hitler like good occupied subjects.
Alright, time to chuck a couple bombs into this swamp just to shake the gas. Is Israel an extension of American imperialism, or a mini-empire of its own? And how can any one state insist on its "right to exist" above any other?
Regarding my TV count, I can add one dialysis clinic, a car dealership, a tobacco shop, a nursing home, and one country grocery store/gas station. Why I was at these places is beside the point, which is: four had their TVs on, 2 were on Fox. At one I actually flipped the channel. The management said nothing, but - that call to the FBI might well have been placed even before I left the parking lot. . . . :O
@TheAzov Fox is the most highly rated cable news network. Is it a surprise to you that these shops would be catering to the viewing wishes of their clientiele? Capitalism is all about keeping the customer satisfied (cue Simon and Garfunkel). You don't object to capitalism, do you?
@citizenintime That supposes their clientele is unanimous in wanting to see Fox News every time they go out to do business. Is any poll ever taken to see otherwise? Why not alternate between channels? There are 65 cable channels in this area, w/ 4 news channels. The 50% rate for Fox I've seen so far can reflect either more noisy insistence by Fox fans, or a preference on the part of the propietor; and if the latter I strongly suspect a more direct inducement, based on some comments.
@TheAzov Unanimous? A majority is enough. As Nielson demonstrates, Fox has that. You just don't like Fox, I see. That's separately evident by your misunderstanding of capitalism.
@citizenintime So if I "understood" capitalism, I'd like Fox? And it's mendacious lying (as if there's any other kind) to sucker the public along into two - count them, 2 - illegal, immoral, and unnecessary wars? Hmmmm. . . .
@TheAzov No, if you understood capitalism, you'd understand why the establishments you surveyed show Fox on their TVs. The fact that you are bothered when Fox is shown voluntarily in a bar, while the CNN Airport Channel is forced on all fliers is evidence that you don't like Fox.
@citizenintime Since when do I "have to like Fox" forced upon me as CNN on you. The "fact" that CNN may be confined to airports is small consolation to Fox's ubiquitous tentacles reaching out as far and as strangling as any state agitprop machine. "Understanding capitalism" in no way "proves" that a customer base endorses what's on a TV screen when they walk into a business. Since the TV is the owners', he can do with it as he pleases. Customers concede his right, not his choice.
@TheAzov CNN's tentacles are just as ubiquitous on cable, perhaps more so. I can't get away from CNN International when I travel abroad, but there's no Fox International. Really, you just don't like balance, do you?
@TheAzov Ah, illegal, immoral wars. Is that you, Dennis Kucinich? Really, get off the i/i war thing. They were quite legal, and only immoral to those who support the 9/11 terrorists.
@citizenintime There was no legality to it. The UN resolution on which Bush justified his war action did not automatically call for military action. He was determined to do so anyway, unilaterally, with or without the UN's legal consent, and said so openly. I know of no one legally resident in the US, or Europe, who "supports the 9/11 terrorists." It would be interesting if you could name one. Just one. That loneliest number that you'll ever do. . . . The power of 1 . . . .
@citizenintime Capitalism is about making money off the customer, satisfied or not. The more reputable seek to ensure their client base, but experience shows its far from a universal norm and even the "respectable" companies deserve the quotation marks. Interesting that you equate Fox News with capitalism, as promoting said view is its chief mission.
@TheAzov A capitalist who doesn't satisfy the customer is a poor capitalist, indeed. As you're probably aware, a key facet of capitalism is competition. That's why DMV operates with such efficiency and kindness! No, wait...
Are you REALLY a Noam Chomsky devotee? That would explain a lot.
@citizenintime Yes, it does - for instance, that I'm not so easily suckered by some P. T. Barnum imitator and whatever snake oil he's peddling. If competition is a key factor to capitalism, then the US hasn't been capitalist for some time. It's a corporate economy where competition is bought out or crushed.
@citizenintime Any evidence that they are ennobling insistutions staffed by idealists for the uplift and beneficence of humanity? Or rather that they're dollar-driven Frankensteins that destroy all in their path and finally their creators. I don't see the US Government having to bail out the Catholic Church. Maybe if the Pope forgot all that "give unto the poor" shit he can bankrupt the Vatican and then qualify for taxpayer investment as "too big to fail." :D
It's sad that your government controls what the citizens are allowed to know. You're proud of a prominent socialist in your government? Our socialist teleprompter is a source of national shame.
As to my FOX News survey, so far this week I've been to seven of the types of businesses that usually offer TVs for shoppers and customers. This excludes grocery supermarkets and big-box retailers in general, but includes a barber shop, a video poker casino, a strip club, a bar, an auto repair waiting room, among others.
<---- Of these seven, four had televisions; and three were on FOX. I asked the casino manager why: because "it's policy" to keep the TV on news or sports. But why FOX? Because "it's what the customers want." I suspect "the customers" were never properly asked, and my suspicion is being reconfirmed that some of these places are paid to keep their public TVs on certain channels, one in particular.....
@citizenintime I'm not for any network monopoly, but I have to say it: in the local regional airport, last time I was there in July, FOX News was on two of the four TVs scattered around the lobby and food areas.
Ah another great video, I was aware of some of these, (not all, but then I am not American). It does seem very imperialistic in some respects... I don't doubt this is similar to the tactics that Great Britain used when justifying taking over a huge chuck of the world which only itself destabilized after world war II, generally as a matter of change in public and political opinion of empires. Winston Churchill did a lot in advancing the UK and he himself was influenced by Roosevelt. (cont)
but it's a shame that after this that Capitalistic vs. Communistic mentality held US back while Europe in the middle went for a more acceptable middle ground... even today US does not have Socialized Health Care and it leaves most of Europe going "huh?" because of how well it works over here.
But that aside, USA interferes now like UK use to hundred years ago, or the Romans did two thousand years ago, as the Greeks before that, and perhaps as the Egyptians before that...
"US does not have Socialized Health Care and it leaves most of Europe going "huh?" because of how well it works over here."
And Americans will argue tooth & nail in an effort to convince you that the propaganda they're fed about how horrible your system is, is the truth & that they have more insight about your own system than you do. There's a comment on here confidently espousing that the US has the best health care system in the world. This video sure brought out the loonies in the comments.
@AntiBullshitMan I personally don't buy into anything even the Media over here says, when you consider that here in the UK, the same guy who manipulates Fox News in US appears to have the same ability to manipulate Sky News here.
A Big thank you to Rupert for ruining the world.
That said, I have researched into the matter, naturally the WHO listing comes up first, but some US politicians seem to ignore that... then there is the White Houses own surveys that found similar things... ignored
I really would wish a law was passed that declared that news could not be political propaganda and must be based on actual events with any relevant scientific data on the subject mentioned.... it'd sure kill down the BS agents that are allowed to work under the name of "News Anchorman/Reporter/Etc".
But that aside, it'd be ignorant to say that the socialized model doesn't have bad things about it, it does, but far less then the alternatives and has more advantages then the alternatives...
The age of American imperialism had already passed during the cold war, as Memonk states? With US bases all over Europe and Asia, and providing the major funding for war in Korea and Vietnam? Don't forget the mini-invasion of Santo Domingo, the testing ground for Vietnam. The anti-communist foreign policy actions were far from blind, but quite calculated, with the communist factor often just blatant propaganda to rationalize the decided action.
It has always amazed me that Americans deny their imperialism. There are many examples that were not mentioned in this video, Nicaragua being one. I often wonder if they feel that the occupation of Hawaii came about after the covered wagons of the early settlers just fell off a cliff and floated across the Pacific. When bad things happen to the U.S. I am reminded of Malcolm X's comment after JFK was assasinated, " Just a case of chickens coming home to roost."
@citizenintime I believe you tried in 1812. We burned Washington to the ground. Besides, had you won, all that you would have gained is a virtually unlimited supply of fresh water and more oil than Saudi Arabia. Free health care? Longer life span? Lower rate of infant mortality? Less crime?...................................etc.
@SMMHonda1 We? Hey, we already have the best health care in the world--why would we want a system where we have to wait a year for an evaluation, only to learn that we're rationed out? We already have all the oil we need; we just have to drill it. You have the same problem. We'll take Alberta, though. Less crime? Sure, we'll take that, but we have to deal with our southern border first--you guys are off the hook on that one.
@citizenintime I was down in Florida recently and my mother-in-law had to wait 16 hours lying on a cot in the emergency ward before she could be treated. This women and her husband are millionaires and they still had to wait. I've never waited more than an hour up here. We don't import oil, we export it. To you. Good luck on that southern border thing. It should all work out when your economy is weaker than Mexico's and the people flee south rather than north.
@citizenintime Danny Williams is an excellent example. He is a multi-millionaire, who, on the advice of a school mate, who, was a doctor in the U.S., went to another U.S. doctor for his treatment. He later conceded that he could have had the treatment here in Canada. The moral of the story:, if you're filthy rich, the U.S. can offer quicker treatment. If you fit into that category, good for you. To the 30-50 million Americans who have no coverage at all, tough break.
@SMMHonda1 30-50 million? Let's break that down: 15 million are illegal aliens, and at least that number are young, healthy folks who choose not to buy coverage through their employer--a bad call on their part, if you ask me, but it's a free country (unlike Canada). The number of truly uninsured is very small, and NO ONE is denied service in the US for inability to pay.
@citizenintime We should really get back to my earlier post. If your system of health care is superior, why do Canadians have longer life expectancies than you. Why is your infant mortality rate so high? Our two demographics are similar so there should not be a significant difference, but there is. Also, I have never heard of a Canadian declaring bankruptcy due to medical costs. Oh, and none of our banks failed. Damn socialism.
@SMMHonda1 Our demographics are not similar! And your banks didn't fail because you don't have the pleasure of electing Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to office. But back to Claude Castonguay--You don't know who he is? Yet you claim that I am uninformed? Mr. Castonguay is the father of Quebec's system of socialist, er, socialized medicine. He has recently admitted that it was a mistake. Please, discuss. And learn some of your own history. Just don't hurt anyone's feelings up there.
@citizenintime I can guarantee you that not 1 in 50 people have heard of Castonguay. This sounds like tea party misinformation. There was no "father" of Quebec socialized medicine since it was nationally, not provincially mandated. Castonguay was the head of the commission which set up Quebec's version of the Health Canada Act. He has suggested a year end user fee may be appropriate. So far, that suggestion has been rejected, and likely remain that way. He is one bureaucrat among many.
@SMMHonda1 It seems I know more about Canadian current events than you do. I understand why your government doesn't want you to know about him, though. Yore really do need a First Amendment up there.
@citizenintime You are aware of one insignificant 80 year old bureaucrat from Quebec who has doubts about our health system and to you that constitutes a knowledge of current event? I'll let you in on a little secret here in Canada. No one cares what the people of Quebec think. Don't tell anyone though. If I could find a similar little man in Delaware who believes the U.S is a war mongering country, would I be safe in assuming this is the majority opinion or that it's a fact?
@SMMHonda1 Comments like that can hurt Mr. Castonguay's feelings and get you fined by the Canadian hurt feelings police. Insignificant? He devised Canada's socialist health delivery! Hey, everybody ages, even in Canada. You're in denial.
@citizenintime He didn't devise anything. He was part of a process that introduced health care to Quebec. One province out of 10. As I said earlier, most Canadians have never heard of him. Also, check most polls. Canadians are happy with their health care system. Problems, yes, but less than 10% would want a U.S. style system. I could simplify this for you. How many Canadians would chose to live in the U.S. versus how many Americans would chose to live in Canada? No denial.
@SMMHonda1 He is the father of the Canadian socialist health care system. I have 3 Canadian families who live on my street alone--you're right, no denial.
Your system causes delays and rations care. It stifles medical research. Let the market work. Like we will again when we vote the teleprompter out of office in '12.
@citizenintime Ask your Canadian neighbours if they have heard of Castonguay. I guarantee they won't know who the hell you're talking about. Now ask them who Tommy Douglas was and their answer will be. "Oh, he's the father of Canada's Health Care". Also, the first elected head of any government in North America who was an avowed socialist was Tommy Douglas. He was also, last year, voted our favourite Canadian. He's Keefer Sutherland's grandfather also.
@citizenintime There are no hurt feelings up here. We're not trying to "sell" you our system. I just find it odd that your country values the right to bear arms more than the health of your people. No hurt feelings here. Just amusement.
@SMMHonda1 Ah, by "hurt feelings" I was warning you against an action on your part that might bring about a lawsuit against you by Canada's guardians of civil rights. You do know about Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn, do you not?
And sorry, we won't lower the quality of the best health care system in the world simply to ensure that everyone has equally bad care. We're not socialists.
@SMMHonda1 We don't have the same demographics, despite your belief that we do. Besides, with all the readily available health care that you receive down here, I would expect you to be rather fit!
@SMMHonda1 Conceded? Hardly. He came to the US because he couldn't get the service he needed in Canada. Tell us about Claude Castonguay's change of heart, please. Socialist countries have to realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you run out of other people's money. When the teleprompter-in-chief is voted out of office in 2012, we, too, will put this sad experiment in socialism behind us. But back to Claude Castonguay--the floor is yours.
@citizenintime You are ill informed on Williams. He admitted it and several well known Canadian specialists said the same procedure could have been done here. I haven't a clue who "Castonguay" is, although I suspect another tea party fiction behind it. No one says there is a free lunch. We pay for our health care with taxes and our level of government debt is one of the lowest in the world. If we can do it (and virtually every other Western nation as well) why can't the U.S.?
No, the point is you said you were done talking to me, so that's it. BTW, Lithuania is one of 4 Baltic states (I count Finland - unless that must be a lie, too, even if it's on the Baltic Sea.) And I plan to stop by a number of local businesses as I need to, not just one guy's, and I'll see how many of their TVs are set on FOX. Unstructured investigation is often the best method. And since you don't talk to liars I reckons you're a.) very lonely or b.) don't know WTF you're talking about.
@TheAzov Oh, impecable experiment. You're going to run around and because some TV's will be on Fox, (which also shows the Simpson, Family Guy, etc...) it proves...? What? Great (graduate?) research.
You can add Australia to that list. In 1975, the CIA interfered in order to bring down the Whitlam government. We are supposed to be such strong allies.
On the minimum wage thing there are too many variables to say MW = unemployment. We have a minimum wage of $15 per hour and our unemployment levels are quite low
I currently reside in Canada, and have for the past 15+ years. I hope you were joking, even if the joke makes absolutely no sense and fails at the ha-ha.
Cont... And when I worked in sales. I never met anyone who gave a shit if I made $.00 and hour or $30.00. They just wanted, like just about every person on the planet, the product as cheap as possible. They didn't give a shit how they got it. These were everyday people I'm talking about. AND Anyone out there who thinks the're different, you're full of shit. If you buy a $10.00 tee-shirt, you really believe someone out there is earning a living wage making it?
And the cheep overseas foreign labor movement of production has almost NOTHING to due with the US government. That is capitalism at work. When I worked in the garment district in NYC, I was shocked for example, how clothing manufacturers would just change production from say India to Bangla Desh, beecause the workers in India were geting 30 cents an hour at that time, and in Bangla Desh, they could pay 10 cents. cont...
What AntiBullshitMan is intentionally ignoring that most of the actions of the US in the last 60 years were done in the context of the cold war. The world was divided into two camps. I'm not justifying the over throwing of these goverments, but there was no monetary gain for the US. It was In many cases, just the "anything but communist" philosophy of American foreign policy. Cont...
@memonk11 I can't think of any one of the interventions were there wasn't either gain or the protection of a vested interest. Nor does the cold war offer anything but a convenient cover. The US was intervening in the Caribbean in the 1910s before the Bolshevik Revolution.
@TheAzov Really. Serbia in the 1990's doesn't reing a bell? Anyway, You're certainly correct about US intervension in the Carribean. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, the US just like any rising power wanted to be an empire. But post WWII there was real worry about the "Red Menace". Stalin was a brutal as Hitler, and he controlled half of Europe, followed by Kruschev who bragged about nuclear missles "rolling off the production lines like sausages" cont...
@TheAzov cont... Oh yeah, the Marshal plan to rebuil western Europe? Never heard of that. I will agree that in some cases, the Cold war was a cover for agression. But the whole point of Empire is financial gain. America again and again sacrificed financial gain to keep large military forces due to the cold war. America is a net IMPORTER. The whole point of having an empire is for the colonies too buy your goods, you buy their raw material. The US does neither, cont...
@TheAzov Most of the cold war intervensions were done in the context of maintaining a sphere of influence. The whole Domino effect thing. Again, I'm not justifying or excusing. It's that things happen in context of the times. America allied with Stalin in WWII. Did we do it because we loved Russia? No, the context was Hitler was a bigger threat, And after WWII, for the next 40 years, America's primary foreign policy goal was containment of Soviet influence.
@TheAzov Also, the US gained something in Korea? Many of the historical examples are very complex, like...Vietnam. During WWII Roosevelt had insisted with Russia and th UK that there would be no teriitorial gains (I think it was at Yalta). Churchil, an old scholl imperialist was disappointed. The French after the war wanted to keep playing Empire and in the name of Anti-communism, the US picked up where they left off, The whole point is that there are many variables to history, more than Bad us
@TheAzov Oh? How about the Suez crisis in 1956, where England and France used Israel to try to steal the canal from the Egyptians. Eisenhower sent the sixth fleet to the Eastern Mediteranean to block Soviet intervension, then immediately intervened in wolrd markets to devaluate the pound to impel the British to withdraw. Not sure what pressure was apllied to the french. Anyway, cause a rift with the British and they withdrew from many parts of the world as a result. What did America gain there?
There are so many errors and philosophical bankruptcy with the 3 comments you've left here, I don't even know where to begin. I would like to have a live debate with you about these comments. Pick your medium. Also:
"What AntiBullshitMan is intentionally ignoring"
You basically just called me a liar here, nonchalantly and with zero evidence, without having to use the word. I'm hoping to see you retract this if you wish for me to remain civil to you. This warrants utmost contempt on my part.
@AntiBullshitMan Wow, props for taking the time to respond. But did I miss something, meaning the part where you mention that insignificant little thing that was going on, you know, THE COLD WAR? For you to ignore it is intellectually dishonest. I did say I wasn't justifying it and you called me "morally bankrupt". You consider that honest? Deliberately ighoring what someone just wrote to insult them? Please, I have no tolerance or patients to debate a LIAR and idiot. cont...
@memonk11 "Deliberately ighoring what someone just wrote to insult them"
No, it's actually you who deliberately ignores the actual words I wrote, & interprets them as something else. Like so:
"you called me "morally bankrupt" "
No, I called you philosophically bankrupt, not because I am "dishonest", but because what you wrote fits the bill. Justifying exploitation because lots of people are oblivious/careless regarding how some of their clothing products are made, is wholly a-philosophical.
@AntiBullshitMan Last reply, I'm incorrect and you are correct that this has turned into a defacto debate. But your deliberate misrepresentating if what I said makes you a LIAR "what you wrote fits the bill. Justifying exploitation because lots of people are oblivious/careless regarding how some of their clothing products are made" The point WAS it does NOT justify exploitation. The production of goods in third world coutries for wages that are in cents is immoral. AND cont...
@AntiBullshitMan cont..Stating outright that I said exploitation is justified is an outright lie. AND as to prove your intellectual dishonesty you favored a video that list some outright American imperialism but also inserted .. the Berlin Airlift? The Suez crisis? Worl war II? That was intentional idiocy. During the cold war, the over whelming driving force was Anti-communism. This is not to say America was never Imperialist, or even is imperialist, It's CONTEXT!!! That was my point.
"I never met anyone who gave a shit if I made $.00 and hour or $30.00. They just wanted, like just about every person on the planet, the product as cheap as possible. They didn't give a shit how they got it. These were everyday people I'm talking about. AND Anyone out there who thinks the're different, you're full of shit"
This was not a post aimed to denounce exploitation. Quite the contrary, you glorify it using...(1/2)
@AntiBullshitMan "This was not a post aimed to denounce exploitation. Quite the contrary, you glorify it using..." (WTF? "This glorifies it? What I'm saying is that people are exploitative, many [retending they are not . Again and again you intentionally misrepresent What I said.
"This glorifies it? What I'm saying is that people are exploitative"
You yourself brought up people wanting cheap prices. You brought it up PRECISELY IN RELATION to my talk of exploitation of labor/resources in the 3rd world by the US. To backtrack now & cry foul only demonstrates YOUR intellectual dishonesty. The idea that people's natural exploitative nature would lead one to conclude that all nations would be as imperialistic as the US, had they the means to do so, is falsified by history.
(2/2)You glorify it using people's inclination to seek the cheapest prices possible. I can explain to you in a live call why this is a logical fallacy.
"intellectual dishonesty"
For the last time, your disagreement with me as to when imperialism applies to whom does not make your "intellectual dishonesty" accusations legit. You can speculate, & I'll gladly explain to you why your speculation is horseshit & why your anti -communism excuse no way wipes the blood of imperialism off the US' hands.
@AntiBullshitMan " why your anti-communism excuse no way wipes the blood of imperialism" I never said it did. Again your misrepresenting what I said. I am saying many actions that you claim are imperialism (during the cold war) were really the blind actions of anti-communist foreign policy. The age of America the imperialist had mostly passed when the cold war was occuring. I realy have to stop, It's like talking to a brick.
"many actions that you claim are imperialism (during the cold war) were really the blind actions of anti-communist foreign policy"
As already explained to you, if going around overthrowing countless gov'ts in order to drain the resources of said nations for as cheap as possible amounts to a mere furthering of an ant-communist F.P., the last 2 decades would've resulted in something entirely different, rather than an extension of the exact same practices.
@memonk11 "For you to ignore it is intellectually dishonest"
As Azov already explained to you, the cold war in no way justifies what I spoke of.
But let's say I even placate your premise: The cold war ended 2 decades ago, & we've since seen many imperialistic actions at the hands of the US.
But even if we ignored THAT as well, you'd STILL be merely speculating about my "intellectual dishonesty" & NOT proving it. Your accusation amounts to trolling, basically. I still expect your retraction.
"I have no tolerance or patients to debate a LIAR and idiot"
But you are debating me, genius. You realize that, right? And you'll no doubt continue debating me by replying to these comments. You just won't debate me live, and your cop-out reasoning has caused you to contradict yourself by saying that you won't debate me, while directly debating me. Hilarious.
Anyone can play the tired old "LIAR" game. I can just as easily pretend that you don't merely disagree with me, but that you're LYING.
@AntiBullshitMan cont...You spue out some facts, some speculations, almost always with no historical context and spin them to match your philosophy on how the world works. The only thing worse are you replies to people that you don't agree with. You usually ignore their point, just pointing out what you percieve to be flaws in their logic. I will give you kudos for being willing to put you views in video and online. That's something some of us just are not able to do. cont...
@memonk11 "You spue out some facts, some speculations, almost always with no historical context and spin them to match your philosophy on how the world works"
More empty accusations. Don't pretend that you have even the slightest idea as to my philosophy on how the world works, or that you have the ability to derive such ideas from some 15 minute YT videos.
"You usually ignore their point"
No, I refute the "point", because it is abject nonsense.
@AntiBullshitMan AND even though I disagree with you on a GREAT many things, I applaud thhe open expression of your viewpoints. As for a debate, inteprete it as you will. But some of us have jobs, responsibilities, LIVES. And we just don't have the time or ability to put ourselves up on the net. Anyway, there's already too many ugly stupid people making videos. You don't need me adding to the mix.
Some of us? Why would you imply I'm jobless? I work 45 to 50 hrs/week. My commute to work takes 50 minutes one-way.
You clearly have more time on your hands then me, with your ongoing replies to both me & Azov. I don't see how you have more "responsibilities, LIVES" when I see your name crop up all over the place here.
"to put ourselves up on the net"
You wouldn't be putting yourself on cam, just your voice. And I certainly wouldn't record the call & upload it here.
@AntiBullshitMan No. it means some of us have jobs that would not take kindly to us posting political opinions on youtube. Our employers may feel in our positions of responsibility we should not be doing so.Just the facts of life. I should have stated that better. As for my replies, They come in spurts. Usually when I see something dishonest, ignorant or hypocritical, I feel compeled to reply.
"it means some of us have jobs that would not take kindly to us posting political opinions on youtube"
Same here. That's why I don't provide even my first name anywhere on the net, let alone my full name. And again, you'd only be using your voice in a call, you wouldn't be recording yourself with a cam.
If I were to pull the typical type of stunt you pull, I'd accuse you right now of dishonesty by saying that you backtracked as to what your "some of us have jobs" comment originally implied.
@AntiBullshitMan I've though may be right about a debate and .anonymity, but I have to say no. Debating you would be like having a conversation in two rooms. You consistently misrepresent what I say, saying I'm making points that I am not. It would be a total waste of time. Your narrow understanding of history is inexcusable, and you own self dellusion of the extent of your intellect is intollerable.
@memonk11 "You consistently misrepresent what I say"
No, you constantly backtrack so that you can cry straw & in the process contrive a rationale to accuse me of dishonesty & a bunch of other crap aimed not at debate, but aimed at assassinating my character.
You're the brick wall. You're the ignoramus. You're the narrow-minded history revisionist, false-accusation making, pathological last-word craving, intellectually dishonest cumstain of this otherwise mostly rational comment section.
"you own self dellusion of the extent of your intellect is intollerable"
Another baseless attack. I've at no point behaved as though I'm in some intellectual elite category. That's your distortion.
Your FIRST post here was an attack on my integrity. You did this because you know that your counterargument alone was not enough, that you had to make wild accusations about my lack of honesty, which you yourself know full well that you cannot prove, in order to give your posts more sting power.
Having a non-video Skype call isn't technically not "putting yourself on the net".
But hey, I'm not gonna push it. I'll leave you be. Continue calling me a liar if it makes you feel better about your own positions. I won't respond to you in text from here on out.
It's just so funny that you gripe about my generic, non-specific insults to other instigators here, while calling me one of the worst things in the book.
lol Did America so you could talk? No. Your a Canadian, that means your our hat. You don't get to speak without being spoken to. Hats don't talk, they sit on top of our head and they keep snow and rain out of our face. So be a good hat and when your colonial overlord says or does something, you keep quiet buddy, comprende? lol I'm just fahkin with you I'm a Russian American but seriously, Americas hat would do well to listen and obey XD, cuz sorry but without the US you guys are fucked.
As a child I was told the difference between the US (the good guys) and the USSR (the bad guys ) was that 1. Their people got propaganda which was untruth designed to manipulate the citizens. and 2. Their government desired to dominate the world. The US, in contrast, wanted others to enjoy the same freedoms it enjoyed. I see now this has never been the case. We are programmed in the US by our propaganda to believe our government has the best intentions but this has rarely been the case.
Exploitation - it's blatant in third world countries, but any worker, anywhere, who has to sell his labour power for wages, gets exploited, because the businessmen turn the surplus value, produced by the worker, into more capital, in order to secure more surplus value, which they expropriate themselves.
As for labor/exploitation, I must insist that it goes both ways, and that my beef with Capitalism lies in the excessive extraction of surplus value. I'm sure you've heard it a trillion times, but I do agree that if the employer sacrifices time/effort in order to provide the worker with the tools, job license, and other means which enable the worker to be productive, then the surplus should be divided fairly, despite one party sitting on their ass during work time.
Please keep posting. Rants such as yours are entertaining to the productive class, and will ensure further conservative victories in '12. Here's an idea: why not team up with Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen? Presenting three equally plausible opinions on matters of conspiratorial interest would be a great public service, n'cest pas?
Sheen is a truther, and I don't follow Rosie's commentary so I'm not sure if I should be equally as baffled with your comparison of me to her, as I am with your comparison of me to Sheen.
"three equally plausible opinions on matters of conspiratorial"
Just lazy comparisons. Why do you deny history, & so arrogantly at that? There's a trend here, it's only Yanks denying it. Most of the educated world accepts it. What keeps Yanks in denial? Pride? Fox news?
@AntiBullshitMan "Lazy comparisons"? Hardly. Conspiracy theories are the lazy man's alternative to factual rebuttal. And sorry--believing that your views comprise the worldview of the "educated world" is a conspiracy theory itself. Yes, misery does love company, but the educated US refuses to join you. Except Charlie and Rosie, of course.
You can scream "conspiracy theory" until you're blue in the face, it will do nothing but expose you as being incapable of making a specific argument. I see you have Reagan faved, so it's safe to say that one of the facts you have a hard time coming to terms with is his administration feeding Iran with weapons. So let's start with that. Step 1: Admitting what is obvious not only to most of the educated world, but to most Yanks as well:
@AntiBullshitMan Thank God for Reagan. Specific argument? As if you have one? Please keep the entertainment coming. We Yanks will continue to educate the world. Including Canada.
15 minutes worth, in fact. So much so that you resorted to snark, & nothing but snark, in order to rationalize your denial of history which this video clearly slapped you in the face with.
"We Yanks will continue to educate the world"
Funniest thing you've written yet.
"Thank God for Reagan"
Way to respond to the information you were linked to, which you likely didn't even bother reading up on. I've got much more on your beloved voodoo man, just ask
@citizenintime I think the word conspiracy has been devalued by politicians, and I can't really think of any other kind of person who would go of their way to dismiss a word that denotes "2 or more people cooperating against one ore more individuals". By definition a conspiracy goes on all the time in many businesses, if you want to generalize the word "conspiracy" as something funny that does not happen, then what credibility you have? none it seems to me.
@Ramiromasters Wow, a lecture. Thanks. Allow me to respond--
You begin by typing "I think", which clearly means that what follows is your opinion. You conclude by stating that the definition that you introduced as opinion is inviolable, specifically that those who disagree are devoid of credibility.
You must have really good opinions. Hesitate to share them, any time.
@citizenintime Thanks for the counter grammar, but the only one who got hurt here was the quest for a better understanding. I never go into an argument expecting not to learn nothing from it, because I would be just waisting my time. If you want to keep your definition of Conspiracy = Something that does not happen in the USA system and never has and never will, they only one hurting him or her self its you.
@Ramiromasters I wasn't correcting your grammar, just your logic. You see, one cannot draw a true conclusion from a false premise. You tried, and I called you on it.
I certainly hope you've learned from the experience. Next time, don't jump into the intellectual deep end without a valid degree from an accredited university.
@citizenintime Do you even imagine how you sound to me? someone who think of him self as very smart by vomiting critical thinking literature for dummies, when I know by fact you don't have the brain capacity... it sounds sad man very sad.
@assym2006 Wow! What a coherent and devastating argument! I'm totally blown away by such incisive analysis and lucid logic. Only . . . in 1945 there was a little thing going on called WW II. Who was there around to liberate Poland from German occupation? (Which had already killed six million Polish citizens, half of them "good" - ie, Christians.) I guess the Third Reich should have just stayed on to finish the job, eh? USians and the cold war - gotta love em! :D
@TheAzov You really should read a history book some time in your life, The Historically recognised start of world war II was Germany's invasion of poland in September 1939. Which was followed two weeks later by the Soviets invading from the east. The Soviets even had some masacres that were expossed by the nazis (of all people) when they turned on the them. Have you ever really read anything anywhere in which the Poles considered the Soviets liberators?
I needed to stop at 2:30 in, I couldnt be assed to watch the rest. You know, not everything needs to be explained by a conspiracy theory, there are simpler explanations. There could be many reasons that the US could use its military might, it could be because the uneducated public are supporting it on mass, it could be because they were fighting the soviets, it could be that they posed an actual threat. Out of all those,the most likely to you(for all of them)was that rich people were conspiring.
No bud, it's a matter of public record. The occupations, the opening of the markets, and the general exploitation of the workers which followed, is common knowledge to most of the educated world.
Next time you stop the vid 2 mins in, feel free to leave for good. I can't imagine being arrogant enough to comment on a video I haven't watched, so to point out that I'm not watching it because it rubbed my knee-jerkism the wrong way. Very trolly.
The minimum wage in the U.S. Isn't even enough for a single person to support him or herself. For example, the rent of a one room apt. in most states usually exceeds the monthly income of a minimum wage job.It is the elite that make sure things stay the same. All presidents that are elected are done so to keep things the same, dem or rep.
@TheUnconvertible Sorry didn't mean to stray off the main topic. The main point I wanted to make is, that I think most Americans are for peace. We just have less control of our government, and the greedy, money grubbing war mongers that run it.
One American who agrees with you. It is the elite that are running all the wars, the job market. Reagan and Bush, major elitist. I'm just another underpaid American. However, I am guilty of shopping at Walmart,because it's afordbable. It's a vicious circle. I do not by brands that I know for sure, are the most guilty of crimes agains t humaniy' For example Nike, Coke, Levis.
you have come a long way, AnityBullshitman, I just don't get your malicious anger against Zeitgeist... I mean maybe what they propose is not doable withing our life spam but if you think about it it could very well be inevitable to have to leave money behind.
How is it that free market minimum wage can't come about in a mature economy? If people (who would otherwise vote) really care that the workers make a large share of the revenues, then I would think it a pretty good business plan for a company to increase their worker's pay and lap up market share given the demand among the people for better worker wages. This is sort of what the "Fair Trade" seal is. Managers/investors choose to take a lesser cut because they know it will increase market share.
"How is it that free market minimum wage can't come about in a mature economy?"
If you dont like the wage of your current job, get another one. This can be done by finding a job you are talented at and working up the ladder, getting an education in a career, or making your own job.
Oh, and I lol at how you say that its good buisness to increase the wage of their employees. If you were running a buisness, it would not last.
"I would think it a pretty good business plan for a company to increase their worker's pay"
I'd think so too if it weren't for actual history showing us that the fair requests of workers were hardly catered to. It got so bad to the point where workers had to organize and form unions, using the state to practically hold their employer at gunpoint in order to obtain fair wages. It didn't "just work out" in the past, and there's no reason to believe it will in the future. Invisible hands & all.
@adjohnson916 Don't worry: that problem is being fixed. As soon as Fox News can convince more people to cut their own throats on the next Congrssional go-round.
US got money and world needs it. but also free thinkers. and republicans are hindrance to it. other countries have democratic govt. but the agenda should be science. and not overpopulation of the earth. i mean capitalism is good for humanity . but imperialism and killing people for money is not. and derailing other countries for exploitation. and yes republicans sucks big time. agree with you . imperialism is not a myth.
nicklaue 7 months ago
@demarch77 I am just wondering if you are serious or joking. The ignorance of history and reality in which we live that you have is so fantastically huge that it would be pointless to even debate you. The lack the basics.
What about brettwoods? what about central america and dirty CIA wars that killed millions? What over throwing democratic governments to install dictators that will give us keep oil and goods?
Your an idiot, you don't even know what I am talking about do you?
thesparitan 8 months ago
"thank god for the internet" IL thank Tim Bernes Lee for staring the world wide web and influencing the internet.
Hammerofthegods86 10 months ago
people like you who offer little to no real research about the topics you discuss are the reason we are all getting dumber and more disconnected from reality. You should get down on your knees and thank God for the internet, where meat puppets like you can have an open forum to bullshit people with word vomit. Funny stuff. Choke yourself.
mygotsam 11 months ago
Textbook troll comment from a textbook troll account.
''the internet, where meat puppets like you have an open forum to bullshit"
Everything I discuss on here, I've also discussed with people I've had over at the house, or elsewhere in public. I've been arguing before the net boom, but only on the net do anonymous little shits like you feel comfortable enough to spew their baseless attacks. Defend specific issues you have with this video in a real-time debate with me. Prove you're not a troll.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago 13
realised i dont have this one faved on the new channel.
fixed it now.
SkidRowRadio 1 year ago
Here's the thing. How many people do you know that can tell you what the national debt is within a trillion dollars, or even know it is measured in trillions to begin with? That means you can throw debt versus deficit, imports versus exports, military spending, balance of power strategies, foreign policy, and a lot of other things out the window. Many won't care about the finer points until they are standing in bread lines. American dollars MUST be acquiring resources/applied to debt like China.
PawnBACM 1 year ago
because the powers that be have long made it clear it's not going to happen. That's half the reason the tension with Iran is what it has always been, and Iraq has basically told American companies to get lost on the issue as well. That's why America was buying new interests on the west coast of Africa two years ago when they had been popping Americans full of bullshit that a new flow of Mid East oil would be forthcoming. People that think we do the Mid East for oil need only look to Nigeria.
PawnBACM 1 year ago
America's balance of power strategy in the Middle East has always been about religion and oil. It was always about killing two birds with one stone; serving Israel with fantasies of endless drilling rights across the region as well, long before the USSR was even a twinkle in the military and social engineers eyes. Russia hasn't been in the region fro two decades and we're currently propping up the sectarian who lost the last Iraqi election. It's not really even about oil there anymore,
PawnBACM 1 year ago
It is not some grand plot, it is just symptom of systematic greed and fear. The hallmarks of the neoconservatives.
masluxx 1 year ago
the need to interfere after ww2 well supposedly it was to stop communism and soviet union the horrific opressive system of those days.but that was pretty much bull propaganda and unfortunately usa americans arent that bright especially the republican supporters.i mean alot of them deny the fact this country has done crimes to humanity and still is.
cooks1234 1 year ago 2
The word is explicit.
DOWNwithDICTATORS2 1 year ago
SO well said! Bravo. Don't forget there are website infiltrators who are paid to write such condescending BS in defence of the 'USA status quo'.
Other idiots sadly believe it. But many, like yourself, are not fooled. Slavery isnt preferable to the minimum wage and if America is a 'father', it's only in the way that Hans Fritzl is.a father. i.e. a violent, crooked, suffocating, lying bully who loves to trap people underground and feed them bullshit.
Good video, thanks.
CanaryYellllin 1 year ago
I never said it was the job of capitalism to be ennobling. If you read my statement correctly, you'd see that I defer to the Frankenstein theory. So I do understand capitalism very well. I'm uncertain that you do, though. As for 11/2, it was the US that got shellacked. The Bolsheviks have taken Congress - fine. Now in bringing down Barak Kerensky, you'll wreck the place to finish the job. For an evil 9/11 perp wanting US destruction, 11/2 is a second holiday. Enjoy. :)
TheAzov 1 year ago
@citizentime Stalin would love your morality. :) Like yourself, he saw nothing wrong with liberating countries from evil dictators and imposing puppet satellite regi - uh, democratic nation building. "A nation must impose its own social system as far as its armies can reach."
TheAzov 1 year ago
And you've articulated the greatest fallacy of the past decade: that "the 9/11 terrorists" had anything to do with the governments or people of Iraq and Afghanistan who continue to pay the price of imperial policies masked as blood revenge. This is the mentality of those Nazi counter-insurgent units that burned down villages for sheltering one Communist partisan, and not welcoming Hitler like good occupied subjects.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Ah, the "I'm losing so I'll scream NAZI!" defense.
citizenintime 1 year ago
Alright, time to chuck a couple bombs into this swamp just to shake the gas. Is Israel an extension of American imperialism, or a mini-empire of its own? And how can any one state insist on its "right to exist" above any other?
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov The "right to exist" does not equate to the "right to wipe out". You do understand the difference, don't you?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I didn't say anything about that. But Israel's insistence on making this a sticking point is a non-sequitur.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov The self-preservation interest of a sovereign, democratic, non-expansive state is hardly a non-sequitur.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I think we were talking about Israel.
TheAzov 1 year ago
Regarding my TV count, I can add one dialysis clinic, a car dealership, a tobacco shop, a nursing home, and one country grocery store/gas station. Why I was at these places is beside the point, which is: four had their TVs on, 2 were on Fox. At one I actually flipped the channel. The management said nothing, but - that call to the FBI might well have been placed even before I left the parking lot. . . . :O
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Fox is the most highly rated cable news network. Is it a surprise to you that these shops would be catering to the viewing wishes of their clientiele? Capitalism is all about keeping the customer satisfied (cue Simon and Garfunkel). You don't object to capitalism, do you?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime That supposes their clientele is unanimous in wanting to see Fox News every time they go out to do business. Is any poll ever taken to see otherwise? Why not alternate between channels? There are 65 cable channels in this area, w/ 4 news channels. The 50% rate for Fox I've seen so far can reflect either more noisy insistence by Fox fans, or a preference on the part of the propietor; and if the latter I strongly suspect a more direct inducement, based on some comments.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Unanimous? A majority is enough. As Nielson demonstrates, Fox has that. You just don't like Fox, I see. That's separately evident by your misunderstanding of capitalism.
citizenintime 1 year ago
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TheAzov 1 year ago
@citizenintime So if I "understood" capitalism, I'd like Fox? And it's mendacious lying (as if there's any other kind) to sucker the public along into two - count them, 2 - illegal, immoral, and unnecessary wars? Hmmmm. . . .
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov No, if you understood capitalism, you'd understand why the establishments you surveyed show Fox on their TVs. The fact that you are bothered when Fox is shown voluntarily in a bar, while the CNN Airport Channel is forced on all fliers is evidence that you don't like Fox.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Since when do I "have to like Fox" forced upon me as CNN on you. The "fact" that CNN may be confined to airports is small consolation to Fox's ubiquitous tentacles reaching out as far and as strangling as any state agitprop machine. "Understanding capitalism" in no way "proves" that a customer base endorses what's on a TV screen when they walk into a business. Since the TV is the owners', he can do with it as he pleases. Customers concede his right, not his choice.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov CNN's tentacles are just as ubiquitous on cable, perhaps more so. I can't get away from CNN International when I travel abroad, but there's no Fox International. Really, you just don't like balance, do you?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@TheAzov Ah, illegal, immoral wars. Is that you, Dennis Kucinich? Really, get off the i/i war thing. They were quite legal, and only immoral to those who support the 9/11 terrorists.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime There was no legality to it. The UN resolution on which Bush justified his war action did not automatically call for military action. He was determined to do so anyway, unilaterally, with or without the UN's legal consent, and said so openly. I know of no one legally resident in the US, or Europe, who "supports the 9/11 terrorists." It would be interesting if you could name one. Just one. That loneliest number that you'll ever do. . . . The power of 1 . . . .
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov BUSH! BUSH! BUSH! Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. You got "shellacked" on 11/2, remember?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Capitalism is about making money off the customer, satisfied or not. The more reputable seek to ensure their client base, but experience shows its far from a universal norm and even the "respectable" companies deserve the quotation marks. Interesting that you equate Fox News with capitalism, as promoting said view is its chief mission.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov A capitalist who doesn't satisfy the customer is a poor capitalist, indeed. As you're probably aware, a key facet of capitalism is competition. That's why DMV operates with such efficiency and kindness! No, wait...
Are you REALLY a Noam Chomsky devotee? That would explain a lot.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Yes, it does - for instance, that I'm not so easily suckered by some P. T. Barnum imitator and whatever snake oil he's peddling. If competition is a key factor to capitalism, then the US hasn't been capitalist for some time. It's a corporate economy where competition is bought out or crushed.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Ah, so you believe that "corporations" are bad?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Any evidence that they are ennobling insistutions staffed by idealists for the uplift and beneficence of humanity? Or rather that they're dollar-driven Frankensteins that destroy all in their path and finally their creators. I don't see the US Government having to bail out the Catholic Church. Maybe if the Pope forgot all that "give unto the poor" shit he can bankrupt the Vatican and then qualify for taxpayer investment as "too big to fail." :D
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov It's not the job of a corporation to be ennobling. You really don't understand capitalism, do you?
citizenintime 1 year ago
No, because few are really watching at busy locations. Whereas at a restaurant you're sitting there for an hour or more.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov So you simply object to Fox being shown anywhere, and have no quibble with network monopolies in general. Does that about sum it up?
citizenintime 1 year ago
"Socialist teleprompter?" WTF? 0_o
TheAzov 1 year ago
It's sad that your government controls what the citizens are allowed to know. You're proud of a prominent socialist in your government? Our socialist teleprompter is a source of national shame.
citizenintime 1 year ago
watch?v=zCdGOFOia5U
TheAzov 1 year ago
As to my FOX News survey, so far this week I've been to seven of the types of businesses that usually offer TVs for shoppers and customers. This excludes grocery supermarkets and big-box retailers in general, but includes a barber shop, a video poker casino, a strip club, a bar, an auto repair waiting room, among others.
TheAzov 1 year ago
<---- Of these seven, four had televisions; and three were on FOX. I asked the casino manager why: because "it's policy" to keep the TV on news or sports. But why FOX? Because "it's what the customers want." I suspect "the customers" were never properly asked, and my suspicion is being reconfirmed that some of these places are paid to keep their public TVs on certain channels, one in particular.....
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov How do you feel about the CNN monopoly in US airports?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I'm not for any network monopoly, but I have to say it: in the local regional airport, last time I was there in July, FOX News was on two of the four TVs scattered around the lobby and food areas.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov CNN has a monopoly at the gates, which is far more controlling that what a few restaurants might show. Do you not agree?
citizenintime 1 year ago
This is going to require about four more videos just in reply to the comments. :D
TheAzov 1 year ago
Ah another great video, I was aware of some of these, (not all, but then I am not American). It does seem very imperialistic in some respects... I don't doubt this is similar to the tactics that Great Britain used when justifying taking over a huge chuck of the world which only itself destabilized after world war II, generally as a matter of change in public and political opinion of empires. Winston Churchill did a lot in advancing the UK and he himself was influenced by Roosevelt. (cont)
DoomsdayR3sistance 1 year ago
but it's a shame that after this that Capitalistic vs. Communistic mentality held US back while Europe in the middle went for a more acceptable middle ground... even today US does not have Socialized Health Care and it leaves most of Europe going "huh?" because of how well it works over here.
But that aside, USA interferes now like UK use to hundred years ago, or the Romans did two thousand years ago, as the Greeks before that, and perhaps as the Egyptians before that...
DoomsdayR3sistance 1 year ago
"US does not have Socialized Health Care and it leaves most of Europe going "huh?" because of how well it works over here."
And Americans will argue tooth & nail in an effort to convince you that the propaganda they're fed about how horrible your system is, is the truth & that they have more insight about your own system than you do. There's a comment on here confidently espousing that the US has the best health care system in the world. This video sure brought out the loonies in the comments.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan I personally don't buy into anything even the Media over here says, when you consider that here in the UK, the same guy who manipulates Fox News in US appears to have the same ability to manipulate Sky News here.
A Big thank you to Rupert for ruining the world.
That said, I have researched into the matter, naturally the WHO listing comes up first, but some US politicians seem to ignore that... then there is the White Houses own surveys that found similar things... ignored
DoomsdayR3sistance 1 year ago
I really would wish a law was passed that declared that news could not be political propaganda and must be based on actual events with any relevant scientific data on the subject mentioned.... it'd sure kill down the BS agents that are allowed to work under the name of "News Anchorman/Reporter/Etc".
But that aside, it'd be ignorant to say that the socialized model doesn't have bad things about it, it does, but far less then the alternatives and has more advantages then the alternatives...
DoomsdayR3sistance 1 year ago
The age of American imperialism had already passed during the cold war, as Memonk states? With US bases all over Europe and Asia, and providing the major funding for war in Korea and Vietnam? Don't forget the mini-invasion of Santo Domingo, the testing ground for Vietnam. The anti-communist foreign policy actions were far from blind, but quite calculated, with the communist factor often just blatant propaganda to rationalize the decided action.
TheAzov 1 year ago
8 : 35 Sounds bit too easy..When has workers sayings done anything anywhere?
koponenii 1 year ago
It has always amazed me that Americans deny their imperialism. There are many examples that were not mentioned in this video, Nicaragua being one. I often wonder if they feel that the occupation of Hawaii came about after the covered wagons of the early settlers just fell off a cliff and floated across the Pacific. When bad things happen to the U.S. I am reminded of Malcolm X's comment after JFK was assasinated, " Just a case of chickens coming home to roost."
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 You know, we could have had Canada, too, but we passed. Thank God.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I believe you tried in 1812. We burned Washington to the ground. Besides, had you won, all that you would have gained is a virtually unlimited supply of fresh water and more oil than Saudi Arabia. Free health care? Longer life span? Lower rate of infant mortality? Less crime?...................................etc.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 We? Hey, we already have the best health care in the world--why would we want a system where we have to wait a year for an evaluation, only to learn that we're rationed out? We already have all the oil we need; we just have to drill it. You have the same problem. We'll take Alberta, though. Less crime? Sure, we'll take that, but we have to deal with our southern border first--you guys are off the hook on that one.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I was down in Florida recently and my mother-in-law had to wait 16 hours lying on a cot in the emergency ward before she could be treated. This women and her husband are millionaires and they still had to wait. I've never waited more than an hour up here. We don't import oil, we export it. To you. Good luck on that southern border thing. It should all work out when your economy is weaker than Mexico's and the people flee south rather than north.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 16 hours--wow. I've had flights that long. I'm sure she's well. Tell us about Danny Williams, please.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Danny Williams is an excellent example. He is a multi-millionaire, who, on the advice of a school mate, who, was a doctor in the U.S., went to another U.S. doctor for his treatment. He later conceded that he could have had the treatment here in Canada. The moral of the story:, if you're filthy rich, the U.S. can offer quicker treatment. If you fit into that category, good for you. To the 30-50 million Americans who have no coverage at all, tough break.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 30-50 million? Let's break that down: 15 million are illegal aliens, and at least that number are young, healthy folks who choose not to buy coverage through their employer--a bad call on their part, if you ask me, but it's a free country (unlike Canada). The number of truly uninsured is very small, and NO ONE is denied service in the US for inability to pay.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime We should really get back to my earlier post. If your system of health care is superior, why do Canadians have longer life expectancies than you. Why is your infant mortality rate so high? Our two demographics are similar so there should not be a significant difference, but there is. Also, I have never heard of a Canadian declaring bankruptcy due to medical costs. Oh, and none of our banks failed. Damn socialism.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 Our demographics are not similar! And your banks didn't fail because you don't have the pleasure of electing Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to office. But back to Claude Castonguay--You don't know who he is? Yet you claim that I am uninformed? Mr. Castonguay is the father of Quebec's system of socialist, er, socialized medicine. He has recently admitted that it was a mistake. Please, discuss. And learn some of your own history. Just don't hurt anyone's feelings up there.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime I can guarantee you that not 1 in 50 people have heard of Castonguay. This sounds like tea party misinformation. There was no "father" of Quebec socialized medicine since it was nationally, not provincially mandated. Castonguay was the head of the commission which set up Quebec's version of the Health Canada Act. He has suggested a year end user fee may be appropriate. So far, that suggestion has been rejected, and likely remain that way. He is one bureaucrat among many.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 It seems I know more about Canadian current events than you do. I understand why your government doesn't want you to know about him, though. Yore really do need a First Amendment up there.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime You are aware of one insignificant 80 year old bureaucrat from Quebec who has doubts about our health system and to you that constitutes a knowledge of current event? I'll let you in on a little secret here in Canada. No one cares what the people of Quebec think. Don't tell anyone though. If I could find a similar little man in Delaware who believes the U.S is a war mongering country, would I be safe in assuming this is the majority opinion or that it's a fact?
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 Comments like that can hurt Mr. Castonguay's feelings and get you fined by the Canadian hurt feelings police. Insignificant? He devised Canada's socialist health delivery! Hey, everybody ages, even in Canada. You're in denial.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime He didn't devise anything. He was part of a process that introduced health care to Quebec. One province out of 10. As I said earlier, most Canadians have never heard of him. Also, check most polls. Canadians are happy with their health care system. Problems, yes, but less than 10% would want a U.S. style system. I could simplify this for you. How many Canadians would chose to live in the U.S. versus how many Americans would chose to live in Canada? No denial.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 He is the father of the Canadian socialist health care system. I have 3 Canadian families who live on my street alone--you're right, no denial.
Your system causes delays and rations care. It stifles medical research. Let the market work. Like we will again when we vote the teleprompter out of office in '12.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Ask your Canadian neighbours if they have heard of Castonguay. I guarantee they won't know who the hell you're talking about. Now ask them who Tommy Douglas was and their answer will be. "Oh, he's the father of Canada's Health Care". Also, the first elected head of any government in North America who was an avowed socialist was Tommy Douglas. He was also, last year, voted our favourite Canadian. He's Keefer Sutherland's grandfather also.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@citizenintime There are no hurt feelings up here. We're not trying to "sell" you our system. I just find it odd that your country values the right to bear arms more than the health of your people. No hurt feelings here. Just amusement.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 Ah, by "hurt feelings" I was warning you against an action on your part that might bring about a lawsuit against you by Canada's guardians of civil rights. You do know about Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn, do you not?
And sorry, we won't lower the quality of the best health care system in the world simply to ensure that everyone has equally bad care. We're not socialists.
You need a First AND Second Amendment up there!
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Bad health care and yet we live longer. Strange. Like most right-wing ideologues you are unswayed by empirical evidence.
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 We don't have the same demographics, despite your belief that we do. Besides, with all the readily available health care that you receive down here, I would expect you to be rather fit!
citizenintime 1 year ago
@SMMHonda1 Conceded? Hardly. He came to the US because he couldn't get the service he needed in Canada. Tell us about Claude Castonguay's change of heart, please. Socialist countries have to realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you run out of other people's money. When the teleprompter-in-chief is voted out of office in 2012, we, too, will put this sad experiment in socialism behind us. But back to Claude Castonguay--the floor is yours.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime You are ill informed on Williams. He admitted it and several well known Canadian specialists said the same procedure could have been done here. I haven't a clue who "Castonguay" is, although I suspect another tea party fiction behind it. No one says there is a free lunch. We pay for our health care with taxes and our level of government debt is one of the lowest in the world. If we can do it (and virtually every other Western nation as well) why can't the U.S.?
SMMHonda1 1 year ago
No, the point is you said you were done talking to me, so that's it. BTW, Lithuania is one of 4 Baltic states (I count Finland - unless that must be a lie, too, even if it's on the Baltic Sea.) And I plan to stop by a number of local businesses as I need to, not just one guy's, and I'll see how many of their TVs are set on FOX. Unstructured investigation is often the best method. And since you don't talk to liars I reckons you're a.) very lonely or b.) don't know WTF you're talking about.
TheAzov 1 year ago
Just for shits and grins I'm going to take another count on public TVs left on Fox News this holiday week.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Oh, impecable experiment. You're going to run around and because some TV's will be on Fox, (which also shows the Simpson, Family Guy, etc...) it proves...? What? Great (graduate?) research.
memonk11 1 year ago
kill da marines restore aristide death to bush
damierrumble 1 year ago
You can add Australia to that list. In 1975, the CIA interfered in order to bring down the Whitlam government. We are supposed to be such strong allies.
On the minimum wage thing there are too many variables to say MW = unemployment. We have a minimum wage of $15 per hour and our unemployment levels are quite low
DingoBabyEat 1 year ago
just move to canada dude.... lol do you know anything about the war of 1812??? i would like to hear your opinion on that :)
zanecody 1 year ago
just move to canada dude.... lol
zanecody 1 year ago
@zanecody
I currently reside in Canada, and have for the past 15+ years. I hope you were joking, even if the joke makes absolutely no sense and fails at the ha-ha.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
It's a damn shame you got cut at the 15 minute mark. I wish you continued with this video further... :-)
thanks, thumb'd up and faved.
bubbamickmac 1 year ago
And Korea!
AintNoVenus 1 year ago
You are completely right. The US is destroying the world.
doutonight 1 year ago
Cont... And when I worked in sales. I never met anyone who gave a shit if I made $.00 and hour or $30.00. They just wanted, like just about every person on the planet, the product as cheap as possible. They didn't give a shit how they got it. These were everyday people I'm talking about. AND Anyone out there who thinks the're different, you're full of shit. If you buy a $10.00 tee-shirt, you really believe someone out there is earning a living wage making it?
memonk11 1 year ago
And the cheep overseas foreign labor movement of production has almost NOTHING to due with the US government. That is capitalism at work. When I worked in the garment district in NYC, I was shocked for example, how clothing manufacturers would just change production from say India to Bangla Desh, beecause the workers in India were geting 30 cents an hour at that time, and in Bangla Desh, they could pay 10 cents. cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
What AntiBullshitMan is intentionally ignoring that most of the actions of the US in the last 60 years were done in the context of the cold war. The world was divided into two camps. I'm not justifying the over throwing of these goverments, but there was no monetary gain for the US. It was In many cases, just the "anything but communist" philosophy of American foreign policy. Cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@memonk11 I should have said: "in many cases, there was no monetary gain for the US".
memonk11 1 year ago
@memonk11 I can't think of any one of the interventions were there wasn't either gain or the protection of a vested interest. Nor does the cold war offer anything but a convenient cover. The US was intervening in the Caribbean in the 1910s before the Bolshevik Revolution.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Really. Serbia in the 1990's doesn't reing a bell? Anyway, You're certainly correct about US intervension in the Carribean. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, the US just like any rising power wanted to be an empire. But post WWII there was real worry about the "Red Menace". Stalin was a brutal as Hitler, and he controlled half of Europe, followed by Kruschev who bragged about nuclear missles "rolling off the production lines like sausages" cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@TheAzov cont... Oh yeah, the Marshal plan to rebuil western Europe? Never heard of that. I will agree that in some cases, the Cold war was a cover for agression. But the whole point of Empire is financial gain. America again and again sacrificed financial gain to keep large military forces due to the cold war. America is a net IMPORTER. The whole point of having an empire is for the colonies too buy your goods, you buy their raw material. The US does neither, cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@TheAzov Most of the cold war intervensions were done in the context of maintaining a sphere of influence. The whole Domino effect thing. Again, I'm not justifying or excusing. It's that things happen in context of the times. America allied with Stalin in WWII. Did we do it because we loved Russia? No, the context was Hitler was a bigger threat, And after WWII, for the next 40 years, America's primary foreign policy goal was containment of Soviet influence.
memonk11 1 year ago
@TheAzov Also, the US gained something in Korea? Many of the historical examples are very complex, like...Vietnam. During WWII Roosevelt had insisted with Russia and th UK that there would be no teriitorial gains (I think it was at Yalta). Churchil, an old scholl imperialist was disappointed. The French after the war wanted to keep playing Empire and in the name of Anti-communism, the US picked up where they left off, The whole point is that there are many variables to history, more than Bad us
memonk11 1 year ago
@TheAzov Oh? How about the Suez crisis in 1956, where England and France used Israel to try to steal the canal from the Egyptians. Eisenhower sent the sixth fleet to the Eastern Mediteranean to block Soviet intervension, then immediately intervened in wolrd markets to devaluate the pound to impel the British to withdraw. Not sure what pressure was apllied to the french. Anyway, cause a rift with the British and they withdrew from many parts of the world as a result. What did America gain there?
memonk11 1 year ago
There are so many errors and philosophical bankruptcy with the 3 comments you've left here, I don't even know where to begin. I would like to have a live debate with you about these comments. Pick your medium. Also:
"What AntiBullshitMan is intentionally ignoring"
You basically just called me a liar here, nonchalantly and with zero evidence, without having to use the word. I'm hoping to see you retract this if you wish for me to remain civil to you. This warrants utmost contempt on my part.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan Wow, props for taking the time to respond. But did I miss something, meaning the part where you mention that insignificant little thing that was going on, you know, THE COLD WAR? For you to ignore it is intellectually dishonest. I did say I wasn't justifying it and you called me "morally bankrupt". You consider that honest? Deliberately ighoring what someone just wrote to insult them? Please, I have no tolerance or patients to debate a LIAR and idiot. cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@memonk11 "Deliberately ighoring what someone just wrote to insult them"
No, it's actually you who deliberately ignores the actual words I wrote, & interprets them as something else. Like so:
"you called me "morally bankrupt" "
No, I called you philosophically bankrupt, not because I am "dishonest", but because what you wrote fits the bill. Justifying exploitation because lots of people are oblivious/careless regarding how some of their clothing products are made, is wholly a-philosophical.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan Last reply, I'm incorrect and you are correct that this has turned into a defacto debate. But your deliberate misrepresentating if what I said makes you a LIAR "what you wrote fits the bill. Justifying exploitation because lots of people are oblivious/careless regarding how some of their clothing products are made" The point WAS it does NOT justify exploitation. The production of goods in third world coutries for wages that are in cents is immoral. AND cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan cont..Stating outright that I said exploitation is justified is an outright lie. AND as to prove your intellectual dishonesty you favored a video that list some outright American imperialism but also inserted .. the Berlin Airlift? The Suez crisis? Worl war II? That was intentional idiocy. During the cold war, the over whelming driving force was Anti-communism. This is not to say America was never Imperialist, or even is imperialist, It's CONTEXT!!! That was my point.
memonk11 1 year ago
"point WAS it does not NOT justify exploitation"
Earlier post from you:
"I never met anyone who gave a shit if I made $.00 and hour or $30.00. They just wanted, like just about every person on the planet, the product as cheap as possible. They didn't give a shit how they got it. These were everyday people I'm talking about. AND Anyone out there who thinks the're different, you're full of shit"
This was not a post aimed to denounce exploitation. Quite the contrary, you glorify it using...(1/2)
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan "This was not a post aimed to denounce exploitation. Quite the contrary, you glorify it using..." (WTF? "This glorifies it? What I'm saying is that people are exploitative, many [retending they are not . Again and again you intentionally misrepresent What I said.
memonk11 1 year ago
"This glorifies it? What I'm saying is that people are exploitative"
You yourself brought up people wanting cheap prices. You brought it up PRECISELY IN RELATION to my talk of exploitation of labor/resources in the 3rd world by the US. To backtrack now & cry foul only demonstrates YOUR intellectual dishonesty. The idea that people's natural exploitative nature would lead one to conclude that all nations would be as imperialistic as the US, had they the means to do so, is falsified by history.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
(2/2)You glorify it using people's inclination to seek the cheapest prices possible. I can explain to you in a live call why this is a logical fallacy.
"intellectual dishonesty"
For the last time, your disagreement with me as to when imperialism applies to whom does not make your "intellectual dishonesty" accusations legit. You can speculate, & I'll gladly explain to you why your speculation is horseshit & why your anti -communism excuse no way wipes the blood of imperialism off the US' hands.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan " why your anti-communism excuse no way wipes the blood of imperialism" I never said it did. Again your misrepresenting what I said. I am saying many actions that you claim are imperialism (during the cold war) were really the blind actions of anti-communist foreign policy. The age of America the imperialist had mostly passed when the cold war was occuring. I realy have to stop, It's like talking to a brick.
memonk11 1 year ago
"many actions that you claim are imperialism (during the cold war) were really the blind actions of anti-communist foreign policy"
As already explained to you, if going around overthrowing countless gov'ts in order to drain the resources of said nations for as cheap as possible amounts to a mere furthering of an ant-communist F.P., the last 2 decades would've resulted in something entirely different, rather than an extension of the exact same practices.
"I realy have to stop"
I'll help you.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@memonk11 "For you to ignore it is intellectually dishonest"
As Azov already explained to you, the cold war in no way justifies what I spoke of.
But let's say I even placate your premise: The cold war ended 2 decades ago, & we've since seen many imperialistic actions at the hands of the US.
But even if we ignored THAT as well, you'd STILL be merely speculating about my "intellectual dishonesty" & NOT proving it. Your accusation amounts to trolling, basically. I still expect your retraction.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
"I have no tolerance or patients to debate a LIAR and idiot"
But you are debating me, genius. You realize that, right? And you'll no doubt continue debating me by replying to these comments. You just won't debate me live, and your cop-out reasoning has caused you to contradict yourself by saying that you won't debate me, while directly debating me. Hilarious.
Anyone can play the tired old "LIAR" game. I can just as easily pretend that you don't merely disagree with me, but that you're LYING.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan cont...You spue out some facts, some speculations, almost always with no historical context and spin them to match your philosophy on how the world works. The only thing worse are you replies to people that you don't agree with. You usually ignore their point, just pointing out what you percieve to be flaws in their logic. I will give you kudos for being willing to put you views in video and online. That's something some of us just are not able to do. cont...
memonk11 1 year ago
@memonk11 "You spue out some facts, some speculations, almost always with no historical context and spin them to match your philosophy on how the world works"
More empty accusations. Don't pretend that you have even the slightest idea as to my philosophy on how the world works, or that you have the ability to derive such ideas from some 15 minute YT videos.
"You usually ignore their point"
No, I refute the "point", because it is abject nonsense.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan AND even though I disagree with you on a GREAT many things, I applaud thhe open expression of your viewpoints. As for a debate, inteprete it as you will. But some of us have jobs, responsibilities, LIVES. And we just don't have the time or ability to put ourselves up on the net. Anyway, there's already too many ugly stupid people making videos. You don't need me adding to the mix.
memonk11 1 year ago
"some of us have jobs"
Some of us? Why would you imply I'm jobless? I work 45 to 50 hrs/week. My commute to work takes 50 minutes one-way.
You clearly have more time on your hands then me, with your ongoing replies to both me & Azov. I don't see how you have more "responsibilities, LIVES" when I see your name crop up all over the place here.
"to put ourselves up on the net"
You wouldn't be putting yourself on cam, just your voice. And I certainly wouldn't record the call & upload it here.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan No. it means some of us have jobs that would not take kindly to us posting political opinions on youtube. Our employers may feel in our positions of responsibility we should not be doing so.Just the facts of life. I should have stated that better. As for my replies, They come in spurts. Usually when I see something dishonest, ignorant or hypocritical, I feel compeled to reply.
memonk11 1 year ago
"it means some of us have jobs that would not take kindly to us posting political opinions on youtube"
Same here. That's why I don't provide even my first name anywhere on the net, let alone my full name. And again, you'd only be using your voice in a call, you wouldn't be recording yourself with a cam.
If I were to pull the typical type of stunt you pull, I'd accuse you right now of dishonesty by saying that you backtracked as to what your "some of us have jobs" comment originally implied.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan I've though may be right about a debate and .anonymity, but I have to say no. Debating you would be like having a conversation in two rooms. You consistently misrepresent what I say, saying I'm making points that I am not. It would be a total waste of time. Your narrow understanding of history is inexcusable, and you own self dellusion of the extent of your intellect is intollerable.
memonk11 1 year ago
@memonk11 "You consistently misrepresent what I say"
No, you constantly backtrack so that you can cry straw & in the process contrive a rationale to accuse me of dishonesty & a bunch of other crap aimed not at debate, but aimed at assassinating my character.
You're the brick wall. You're the ignoramus. You're the narrow-minded history revisionist, false-accusation making, pathological last-word craving, intellectually dishonest cumstain of this otherwise mostly rational comment section.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
"you own self dellusion of the extent of your intellect is intollerable"
Another baseless attack. I've at no point behaved as though I'm in some intellectual elite category. That's your distortion.
Your FIRST post here was an attack on my integrity. You did this because you know that your counterargument alone was not enough, that you had to make wild accusations about my lack of honesty, which you yourself know full well that you cannot prove, in order to give your posts more sting power.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@memonk11
Having a non-video Skype call isn't technically not "putting yourself on the net".
But hey, I'm not gonna push it. I'll leave you be. Continue calling me a liar if it makes you feel better about your own positions. I won't respond to you in text from here on out.
It's just so funny that you gripe about my generic, non-specific insults to other instigators here, while calling me one of the worst things in the book.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
I wonder if Vietnam today has social protection of the population now. I guess that's possibly why they really fought against the US.
maqsad1 1 year ago
its not america. its capitalism.
censorshipshit 1 year ago
lol Did America so you could talk? No. Your a Canadian, that means your our hat. You don't get to speak without being spoken to. Hats don't talk, they sit on top of our head and they keep snow and rain out of our face. So be a good hat and when your colonial overlord says or does something, you keep quiet buddy, comprende? lol I'm just fahkin with you I'm a Russian American but seriously, Americas hat would do well to listen and obey XD, cuz sorry but without the US you guys are fucked.
SlavicPatriot420 1 year ago
@SlavicPatriot420 Er, he does get to speak without being spoken to, it's called free speech. Listen! You hear it?
jerrygreg2 1 year ago
@jerrygreg2 Wow... it was a joke dude >_>
SlavicPatriot420 1 year ago
As a child I was told the difference between the US (the good guys) and the USSR (the bad guys ) was that 1. Their people got propaganda which was untruth designed to manipulate the citizens. and 2. Their government desired to dominate the world. The US, in contrast, wanted others to enjoy the same freedoms it enjoyed. I see now this has never been the case. We are programmed in the US by our propaganda to believe our government has the best intentions but this has rarely been the case.
scotty 1 year ago
Very educative video.
Exploitation - it's blatant in third world countries, but any worker, anywhere, who has to sell his labour power for wages, gets exploited, because the businessmen turn the surplus value, produced by the worker, into more capital, in order to secure more surplus value, which they expropriate themselves.
This is a wonderful video! Fav'ed
dewinthemorning 1 year ago 5
@dewinthemorning
Thanks :)
As for labor/exploitation, I must insist that it goes both ways, and that my beef with Capitalism lies in the excessive extraction of surplus value. I'm sure you've heard it a trillion times, but I do agree that if the employer sacrifices time/effort in order to provide the worker with the tools, job license, and other means which enable the worker to be productive, then the surplus should be divided fairly, despite one party sitting on their ass during work time.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
Please keep posting. Rants such as yours are entertaining to the productive class, and will ensure further conservative victories in '12. Here's an idea: why not team up with Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen? Presenting three equally plausible opinions on matters of conspiratorial interest would be a great public service, n'cest pas?
citizenintime 1 year ago
"Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen"
Sheen is a truther, and I don't follow Rosie's commentary so I'm not sure if I should be equally as baffled with your comparison of me to her, as I am with your comparison of me to Sheen.
"three equally plausible opinions on matters of conspiratorial"
Just lazy comparisons. Why do you deny history, & so arrogantly at that? There's a trend here, it's only Yanks denying it. Most of the educated world accepts it. What keeps Yanks in denial? Pride? Fox news?
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 9
@AntiBullshitMan "Lazy comparisons"? Hardly. Conspiracy theories are the lazy man's alternative to factual rebuttal. And sorry--believing that your views comprise the worldview of the "educated world" is a conspiracy theory itself. Yes, misery does love company, but the educated US refuses to join you. Except Charlie and Rosie, of course.
citizenintime 1 year ago
You can scream "conspiracy theory" until you're blue in the face, it will do nothing but expose you as being incapable of making a specific argument. I see you have Reagan faved, so it's safe to say that one of the facts you have a hard time coming to terms with is his administration feeding Iran with weapons. So let's start with that. Step 1: Admitting what is obvious not only to most of the educated world, but to most Yanks as well:
historycommons(.)org/context(.)jsp?item=a111386reagandenies
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 3
@AntiBullshitMan Thank God for Reagan. Specific argument? As if you have one? Please keep the entertainment coming. We Yanks will continue to educate the world. Including Canada.
citizenintime 1 year ago
"Specific argument? As if you have one?"
15 minutes worth, in fact. So much so that you resorted to snark, & nothing but snark, in order to rationalize your denial of history which this video clearly slapped you in the face with.
"We Yanks will continue to educate the world"
Funniest thing you've written yet.
"Thank God for Reagan"
Way to respond to the information you were linked to, which you likely didn't even bother reading up on. I've got much more on your beloved voodoo man, just ask
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@citizenintime I think the word conspiracy has been devalued by politicians, and I can't really think of any other kind of person who would go of their way to dismiss a word that denotes "2 or more people cooperating against one ore more individuals". By definition a conspiracy goes on all the time in many businesses, if you want to generalize the word "conspiracy" as something funny that does not happen, then what credibility you have? none it seems to me.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
@Ramiromasters Wow, a lecture. Thanks. Allow me to respond--
You begin by typing "I think", which clearly means that what follows is your opinion. You conclude by stating that the definition that you introduced as opinion is inviolable, specifically that those who disagree are devoid of credibility.
You must have really good opinions. Hesitate to share them, any time.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Thanks for the counter grammar, but the only one who got hurt here was the quest for a better understanding. I never go into an argument expecting not to learn nothing from it, because I would be just waisting my time. If you want to keep your definition of Conspiracy = Something that does not happen in the USA system and never has and never will, they only one hurting him or her self its you.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
@Ramiromasters I wasn't correcting your grammar, just your logic. You see, one cannot draw a true conclusion from a false premise. You tried, and I called you on it.
I certainly hope you've learned from the experience. Next time, don't jump into the intellectual deep end without a valid degree from an accredited university.
citizenintime 1 year ago
@citizenintime Do you even imagine how you sound to me? someone who think of him self as very smart by vomiting critical thinking literature for dummies, when I know by fact you don't have the brain capacity... it sounds sad man very sad.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
@Ramiromasters And you project, too. Is English your first language?
citizenintime 1 year ago
@assym2006 What?
TheAzov 1 year ago
@assym2006 Wow! What a coherent and devastating argument! I'm totally blown away by such incisive analysis and lucid logic. Only . . . in 1945 there was a little thing going on called WW II. Who was there around to liberate Poland from German occupation? (Which had already killed six million Polish citizens, half of them "good" - ie, Christians.) I guess the Third Reich should have just stayed on to finish the job, eh? USians and the cold war - gotta love em! :D
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov You really should read a history book some time in your life, The Historically recognised start of world war II was Germany's invasion of poland in September 1939. Which was followed two weeks later by the Soviets invading from the east. The Soviets even had some masacres that were expossed by the nazis (of all people) when they turned on the them. Have you ever really read anything anywhere in which the Poles considered the Soviets liberators?
memonk11 1 year ago
I needed to stop at 2:30 in, I couldnt be assed to watch the rest. You know, not everything needs to be explained by a conspiracy theory, there are simpler explanations. There could be many reasons that the US could use its military might, it could be because the uneducated public are supporting it on mass, it could be because they were fighting the soviets, it could be that they posed an actual threat. Out of all those,the most likely to you(for all of them)was that rich people were conspiring.
boonw 1 year ago
"conspiracy theory"
No bud, it's a matter of public record. The occupations, the opening of the markets, and the general exploitation of the workers which followed, is common knowledge to most of the educated world.
"I needed to stop at 2:30 in"
Next time you stop the vid 2 mins in, feel free to leave for good. I can't imagine being arrogant enough to comment on a video I haven't watched, so to point out that I'm not watching it because it rubbed my knee-jerkism the wrong way. Very trolly.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
The minimum wage in the U.S. Isn't even enough for a single person to support him or herself. For example, the rent of a one room apt. in most states usually exceeds the monthly income of a minimum wage job.It is the elite that make sure things stay the same. All presidents that are elected are done so to keep things the same, dem or rep.
TheUnconvertible 1 year ago
@TheUnconvertible Sorry didn't mean to stray off the main topic. The main point I wanted to make is, that I think most Americans are for peace. We just have less control of our government, and the greedy, money grubbing war mongers that run it.
TheUnconvertible 1 year ago
One American who agrees with you. It is the elite that are running all the wars, the job market. Reagan and Bush, major elitist. I'm just another underpaid American. However, I am guilty of shopping at Walmart,because it's afordbable. It's a vicious circle. I do not by brands that I know for sure, are the most guilty of crimes agains t humaniy' For example Nike, Coke, Levis.
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TheUnconvertible 1 year ago
great vid man props !!!
idietoskate 1 year ago
you have come a long way, AnityBullshitman, I just don't get your malicious anger against Zeitgeist... I mean maybe what they propose is not doable withing our life spam but if you think about it it could very well be inevitable to have to leave money behind.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
@Ramiromasters "I just don't get your malicious anger against Zeitgeist"
I discussed Zeitgeist on YT? In which video?
I used the actual word "zeitgeist" in this video, but didn't intend for it to have any double meaning, in regards the film.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
How is it that free market minimum wage can't come about in a mature economy? If people (who would otherwise vote) really care that the workers make a large share of the revenues, then I would think it a pretty good business plan for a company to increase their worker's pay and lap up market share given the demand among the people for better worker wages. This is sort of what the "Fair Trade" seal is. Managers/investors choose to take a lesser cut because they know it will increase market share.
adjohnson916 1 year ago
@adjohnson916
"How is it that free market minimum wage can't come about in a mature economy?"
If you dont like the wage of your current job, get another one. This can be done by finding a job you are talented at and working up the ladder, getting an education in a career, or making your own job.
Oh, and I lol at how you say that its good buisness to increase the wage of their employees. If you were running a buisness, it would not last.
boonw 1 year ago
"I would think it a pretty good business plan for a company to increase their worker's pay"
I'd think so too if it weren't for actual history showing us that the fair requests of workers were hardly catered to. It got so bad to the point where workers had to organize and form unions, using the state to practically hold their employer at gunpoint in order to obtain fair wages. It didn't "just work out" in the past, and there's no reason to believe it will in the future. Invisible hands & all.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan Why does anyone get paid more than minimum wage at all?
adjohnson916 1 year ago
@adjohnson916 Don't worry: that problem is being fixed. As soon as Fox News can convince more people to cut their own throats on the next Congrssional go-round.
TheAzov 1 year ago