@elwingy everyday because this guy is profiting off of young Asian women making his shoes and he made billions off of those young women. If the Lakers of 1987 and the Celtics of 1984 were all 25 yrs old again Jordan would get his ass kicked.
@babykevinxoxo ooohh, you mean the same Celtics and Lakers that they themselves call MJ the GOAT? Riight, but hey... you know better than them! In fact you know better than Bill Russel,Pat Riley, Chuck Daily, Paul Westphall, Jeremy Sloan, Bird, Magic,pretty much everyone before and after MJ's time and everyone today.
Also everything is made in China so Iguess all of the world profits of young asian women, even you and your mighty products you probably using and wearing right now. OH THE IRONY!
@babykevinxoxo Those young Asian women were lucky to have a job because of MJ's popularity, to earn a living. It's either that or plowing the rice fields all day long.
Its impossible to say someone is "the best ever" in a sport like this, you can really only say the best in their position. Jordan was the best Shooting Guard/Small Forward ever, Magic was the best point guard ever, Chamberlain was the best Center ever, etc. You can't say Jordan>Magic, Jordans passing skills are no were near that of Magic. Jordans shooting was nothing in comparison to Bird. Jordan was great, but you can't call him the greatest ever.
@TheArchangles982 It's more absurd to say that someone is the best in their position, than it is to say they're the best ever. In this sport, positions are there for..I really don't know. Everyone is allowed to do the same thing, and the great one play multiple roles on a team. I understand why there's a QB, why there is a third baseman. But really, Dirk and Karl Malone play PF?
@TheNeeks6 If its all about being able to play multiple roles then Magic Johnson was by far the greatest player to ever live. Positions are assigned to different types of players, a SG is supposed to be the teams great shooter from the three, or a jumper but average in the paint, a PG is suppose to pass the ball to your all-star players for the bucket (not score like they do today). Small forwards are the drivers and all around guys Centers rebound and attack from post PFs are just small centers
@TheArchangles982 Magic can fill multiple needs as well as anyone in history, on offense..When best "all around" is talked about, people seem to neglect the defensive aspect, which is a good portion of the game. I've seen Rodman D-up everyone from Jordan to Shaq, seen Pippen play absolute lock up from Mark Jackson to Barkley. Magic has never been known as a great defensive player, in fact he was a liability at times. Yet, Magic is the unquestioned best "all around"?
@TheArchangles982 I know what the stereotypes are for positions. I understand the point is the handler/distributor and the C plays the pivot, but all others are just for labeling convenience and archaic. Bird, Webber, Pip, bron, etc..ran the offense, they're not guards. Isn't it more apt to call Peja, Durant, Granger, Dirk a shooting forward then calling Wade, Tyreke, Iggy, Thabo a shooting G? Why is Duncan a PF when he's obviously the pivot? It's not reflective of the roles.
@TheNeeks6 No, i'm clearly saying, that as a fan, and a person that follows the game, that there are players that did more than jordan, i named a few based on these kids that came on the scene when Nike blew up the 90's and pumped Jordan. Best era of basketball in my eyes was by far the 80's. And in a fan perspective, i say magic would be the GOAT, just because of his size, and skill alone, we'll never see a 6'9 pg again ever. And this was a man that put up 20 with 7 boards and 11 dimes a game.
@DaWoOdPrInCe What about Lebron? He's 6'8, plays pg at times, and gets ridiculous numbers. The onyl difference is that he is not as clutch as Bird, Magic or MJ. If you talk about a palyer that is more all around, then you are talking about Magic. If you are talking about a player that defends, scores, can pass, rebound, steal, block and win, then you're talking about MJ as the GOAT. Magic & Isiah even state that they had better teams but MJ was what made the Bulls a contending team.
To end all GOAT arguments. Uhm simply saying, there were far too many players that did more than Jordan. I mean wilt did more, bill did more, and those were just the big names. Elgin Baylor did more. Now let me stop taking things from jordan because in 2 eras the game changed. I say Dr. J ..wait no i dont even know but magic definitely did. Oscar Robertson was as athletic as jordan and did more STAT wise. jordan got the rings. kareem has just as many and all time points. So jordan isnt goat.
@DaWoOdPrInCe lol..jordans records and accomplishments speak for themselves kid. elgin baylor did "more"...hes not a champion, hes a hall of fame allstar, magic and bird already credit jordan as the best, dr j and jordan have similar talents in their game but jordan is dominant in every aspect possible, oscars "STATS" are below jordans so idk wtf u talkin about, jabbar may have as many rings and finals mvp but remember jrodan played only 15 seasons while jabbar played 20 and still more records
@DaWoOdPrInCe if you dont agree with my statement, who do you think is the best player of all time if not jrodan and ill challenge you on your answer. (and dont even say theyre all great players and there is no best because in every sport there is someone considered the best)....and dont forget...PLAYERS who have actually played the game (still playing and retired) credit jordan as the best so opinions of the public are really of no relevance....but w/e
The Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons were incredible, and I think they may could have beaten these Bulls, and the Pistons did for two or three years in a row. However, with MJ, the rest of the Bull s team is so strong, but without him they are not as good. The Championship Bulls teams could have beaten any other team from any time in any given series. Impressive that NBA stars call MJ the best that has ever played. Wow. I knew he was great because I watched so many of his games, but damn!
Another dumb comment people make in regards to Wilt Chamberlain..."They changed the rules for Wilt".The league was still young in Wilts day rules are gonna change regardless.And since they changed the rules of intergration sooner or later they would have to change some rules to accomadate the black athlete.
Wilt Chamberlain made them change the rules. What rule did they change for Michael?
MJ isn't even in the same conversation with Shaq, forget Wilt. Look at what happened when MJ left the Bulls. They were still a very good, playoff team. Look at what happened when Shaq left Orlando. Then left LA, even with Kobe. Then Heat, even when old. They went from either playing for the title, or winning it, to lousy teams that could not get into the playoffs.
@TA152H01 They changed the hand checking rules and implemented the 3 second rule into the league to help promote scoring because the suits behind the scenes running the NBA feared that they would lose viewers and tickets sales not having an athlete being able to score at such a high rate as MJ.
Now look at today's scoring. High scorers are a dime a dozen.
By the way - on in depth statistical breakdown, Jordan has better numbers than Wilt.
@daveberg69 You're kidding, right? The 3-second rule was in effect way before Jordan. There's no proof whatsoever (I assume you're talking about defensive 3-second) that Jordan was in any way responsible for this.
High scoring was common even in Jordan's day. Since he left, they allowed zones. If he were so dominant, why didn't he then.
Jordan's stats are VASTLY inferior. Chamberlain scored more, got more rebounds, got more blocks, had more assists, etc...
@TA152H01 -Jordan was a higher scorer in the playoffs than wilt. Has a higher career average than Wilt. Scored more 30/40 point games than wilt in the playoffs. Jordan has more rings than wilt. Jordan averaged more steals than Wilt........oh and Chamberlain had more assists? Are you on crack?
High scoring was common? I don't recall many players other than Bird and a select few others putting up big numbers. on the 40/40/50 basis.
@daveberg69 Career averages for Chamberlain went way down when he was asked not to shoot as much later in his career. In his prime, he scored WAY more than Jordan and shot a much higher percentage.
I guess you didn't know Chamberlain led the league in assists the first year he was asked to pass more. Now you know.
Notice how you have to qualify your remarks? There are more playoff games now. Duh. It's a meaningless stat.
They didn't record steals when Chamberlain was playing, so you're using another bogus stat.
So, we have Chamberlain scoring more until he was asked not to, shooting at a higher percentage (over 4% higher), dominating Jordan on rebounding (23 per game, career). Jordan was a better free throw shooter.
If you want to talk playoffs, did you know Chamberlain AVERAGED 24.5 rebounds per game. Jordan scored more points in playoffs because he shot more. He had a lower percentage.
@TA152H01 Wilt was asked to not shoot because it didnt help teams win titles.Jordan was asked to share the ball and his numbers were still incredible and his numbers impacted his teams championships.
@RohoicRamz94 Yet, one of Wilt's teams beat the legendary Celtic's dynasty.
Here's the reality. Jordan doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Shaq. When he left the Bulls, they were still a very, very good team the next year. When Shaq left teams, they became horrible, even with guys like Penny, Kobe, and Wade on them.
Chamberlain made them change rules. He averaged 24.5 rebounds, and 22.5 points in the playoffs, and 23/30 over his career. Amazing.
@TA152H01 But Orlando made the playoffs when Shaq left.Dont you remember?Penny only played 59 games that year it was the beggining of his knee injuries.And lets not forget the season before Shaq had Penny the Magic were 41-41.The year after Shaq left Penny led the Magic to a 45-37 record.
@RohoicRamz94 That's a good point, but let's look a little deeper. The year before O'Neal arrived, the Magic were 21-61. When O'Neal arrived, and mind you, this is as a rookie and not in his prime, they improved to 41-41. That's HUGE. When Penny came, and with O'Neal being a year better, they improved to 50-32, only nine games even with O'Neal improving.
O'Neal's last season, they were 60-22. After he left, 45-37. That's remarkable, really. Don't you think?
My point? MJ was far superior to Bird when you compare their rookie seasons. Yet Bird's celtics were more successful and improved by more wins. There are other factors at play other than just one players individual performance.
@TA152H01 The reason I bought up the Magic making the playoffs the year after Shaq left is to remind you that yes the Bulls were good without MJ because of the triangle offense and the addition of deadly three point shooters.know this..Both Orlando without Shaq and the Bulls without MJ did the same thing...they made the playoffs neither team won anything.
@RohoicRamz94 Well, it's not exactly the same thing. Before Jordan joined the Bulls, they were 27-55. After 38-44, an 11 game improvement. The next year, 30-52. Even worse. Shaq's impact was much greater. Before Jordan left, the Bulls were 57-25. The year after 55-27. No difference, really. Orlando changed 15 games.
You cant judge whos greater based on TEAM improvements.There are too many elements involved in those wins and losses.Lets say Jordan doesnt break his foot.Lets say Corzine grabs 13 rebs instead of 6.This is why its a team sport in regards to accolades such as championships and regular season accomplishments like 72 wins or 55 losses.
@RohoicRamz94 It's not foolproof, but it's a pretty good indicator. Every team Shaq left (in his prime) had huge drops in games won. This despite, in some cases, getting some good players in return for him. Is it always a coincidence? I think not. On the other hand, the Bulls got no one for Jordan when he left,and they barely moved. It's not definitive proof, but it's a good indicator. Even Phil Jackson said if he had to start a team with one guy, he'd have picked Shaq.
@TA152H01 Why do you keep talking about team improvement? It's an indicator yes, but I guess it doesn't explain why Jordan has 6 championships while Shaq has 4. Why Jordan has more MVP's. Why Jordan has 2 dunk contest wins. Why he has a defensive player of the year. Why Magic says Michael Jordan is better. Why Kobe says Jordan is better. Why Shaq HIMSELF says that Michael Jordan is better...Phil Jackson saying he'd rather have Shaq doesn't mean he is better than Jordan. He needs a big man.
@freak4pans Jordan got all his championships because he played on the same team. Shaq got them on two teams.
Dunk contests matter? LOL!!!!!
We all know Shaq was better than Jordan. He got more rebounds, got more blocked shots, and shot at a much higher percentage. Shaq changed a game more.
What I think you're saying, and I'd agree with, is that centers are just more important. It's true. It's why Jackson said he'd rather start a team with Shaq.
@EagleLC21 I mostly agree, but if you had to create a team around a guy, you'd pick Shaq. He had more impact, and he won more games. Centers are more important positions, is really what it comes down to. That's why Phil Jackson also picked Shaq ahead of Jordan.
Now Wilt, he was simply better than Jordan. I don't know if we'll ever see anyone that good again, but we'll see new incarnations of Jordan, and comparisons. Wilt was just not human.
@TA152H01 WHAT ON EARTH ARE U FKING SAYING????? SHAQ WAS NO WHERE NEAR AS GOOD A PLAYER AS MJ DUMMASS!!!!!!! AND THE ONLY REASON HE HAD A HIGHER SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IS COS HE NEVER WENT FOR MUCH JUMPSHOTS....DUM FUCK
Shaq got more rebounds, shot at a much higher percentage and had more blocked shots. According to Phil Jackson, who knows more than you do (you being a retard), he would rather start a team with Shaq.
All indications are he had more impact. A guy who coached both picked him, the records of teams they joined and left make it clear Shaq had a lot more impact. Centers are just more important.
Haha, you're ability to analyze stats is horrible. PER and Win Shares both take into account all positive and negative contributions an individual makes to a game and applies them on a per minute basis. MJ scores better in both metrics.
And Wilt was a statpadder who routinely checked his points at halftime. His era had ZERO competition and an incredibly fast pace. Adjust Jordan's stats to the pace of that era and he'd average like 50/15/10, and I'm not even accounting for competition.
@boredfun91 Actually, you're typical of someone who has nothing to say, and spouts horseshit.
In fact, the season after Jordan left, Chicago only won two games less.
Saying Wilt was a stat padder is just made up crap. All players care about their stats, but Wilt gave up scoring one year to lead the league in assists.
Both won in scoring. Did Jordan ever win at rebounding? Did he ever lead the league in assists? Easy for a guard than a center.
@TA152H01 Stop overrating the Bulls55 win season without Jordan.Bulls were the same team with the additions of Longley,Kerr,Kukoc,Wennington.Pippen quit on his team hes overrated as well.
@RohoicRamz94 Yet, Jordan could never win without him. Yup, that's overrated.
Even Phil Jackson said he'd have rather built a team around Shaq. Mainly because the position is more important, but that's what it is. He was a more important player. Unless you think you know more than Phil Jackson.
@RohoicRamz94 I'm not suggesting Pippen was better than Jordan. I'm just saying the obvious, that he was an excellent player. He did everything well, and complemented Jordan perfectly. There wasn't a single weakness to his game (nor to Jordan's, for that matter).
One great player, however great he is, doesn't win championships. It's never been done. It's no insult to Jordan to say he needed Pippen. It's how the game is.
@daveberg69 People kill me when they say "They didnt keep this or they didnt keep that stat"No matter what stats were kept its obvious Wilts numbers werent good enough to help his team win titles as opposed to Jordan.
Michael Jordan will always be the best ever. Thank you MJ for the memories. I'm fortunate to have watched the prime of his life playing the greatest basketball game for all eternity.
Magic is one of the Greatest, Top-5 easily. However Magic is not the best because as an overall player, Michael Jordan had the least amount of weaknesses out of any NBA player of all time, of All Time.
Magic was not a particularly great defender, while MJ was one of the greatest 1v1 defenders of all time. His DPY is testament to that, that along with his inside game puts him above Magic. Only one that could be debated is Kareem, but even Jordan edges him.
The Bulls would have beat both the Pistons and the Lakers. Magic says if you take him and MIke out the game but Mike is going to play and Mike is 100 times better than Magic. The Bulls team defense was better than the Lakers. The Bulls were more athletic, faster, and more talented than the Lakers. The Bulls had Scottie Pippen, and Horace Grant and Bill Cartwright on the boards and with John Paxon and B.J. Armstrong there outside shooting is superior as well. Bulls 4 Lakers 2.
the great players in today's nba are authentically great. the second and third tier players, however are were the league suffers. they need to find their niche. guys like horry, and ricky pierce, sam perkins were never all stars but respected. second tier guys today are wanna be #1 options who get overpaid and don't deliver when they get their own team.
if kareem and jordan played together, kareem wouldn't have guarded any damn body. he'd have gotten sick of never getting the first look. mike would always have thrown it to him in some bad position. he wouldn't have utilized really talented guys well. mj needed a team of guys that didn't oppose him but had enough talent to help the team compete. mjs infectious ferocity made his weaker teammates better, thus eventually putting them over the top.
@edscottable "Mike would always have thrown it to him in some bad position"
What does this even mean? It sounds inaccurate. Scottie Pippen had immense talent (look at his production even the years MJ was playing baseball). How do you know MJ wouldn't have just averaged fewer rebounds but more assists? MJ was a very effective passer especially in his prime.
mike was not self effacing as how magic was. magic was a dream to play with. no less competitive, just ten times more charismatic. mike was a bail out passer, not a creater. he'd throw it to guys after he put the shot clock into single digits. you can give the ball to a spot up shooter in that fashion, but not a first option type scorer. they need to catch ball in rythym. pippen had superstar ability yet didn't mind deferring. mj had a very unique cast. phil jackson did a masterful job.
@edscottable Well of course, Magic was a better passer. I'm not going to argue that one lol. I'm just saying they could have been equally if not more successful with Jordan. Jordan was a bail out passer out of necessity. None of the players on the Bulls in the late 80s could really create a shot for himself, and most of them were role players other than Pippen. MJ dominated the ball a lot less in the championship years though. I'm sure Kareem would have gotten touches, but its just speculation
I love how Magic stats that his teams along with Birds we're stacked and Jordan won all his champions with Scottie and a bunch of scrubs. I mean really Jordan champion teams never had a truly respectable center altho Cartright had game. And all his point guards we're spot up shooters and no real serious 6th man other than Toni and he didn't really blossom to his own till after the Bulls. You put Kobe or Lebron on his championship teams and i doubt they win 2
@william420adam I knew the Cs were stacked, but I realized how really stacked they were when I read an article with a quote from Gary Schisting who played in that legendary Cs team. He basically said that he thought that that team was the greatest because it had 3 hall of famers and 7 other players that became all stars at least once. It really puts in perspective how stacked Bird's team was. Same with Magic's.
Michael is all that and some, but greatest athlete ever?.... Dominated like no one else ever?... Most famous worldwide?...... Has anyone ever heard of a guy named Muhammad Ali? Anybody? Ali was beating the "all time greats" when those fighters were still in their prime! No disrespect to Michael, but the Magic's, Bird's, Isaiah's, etc. were not all necessarily at the peak of their careers when Michael finally started to win titles. Ali should at least be mentioned with Michael.
Isiah Thomas (top 10 point guards of all time), yet was kept off the first olympic "Dream team", because of Jordan...MJ hated him and the Pistons for all the hard fouls they put on him...aka the "Jordan Rules” besides Jordan already won gold playing in the 84’ Olympics when he was in College.... he wasn’t going to play if they wanted Thomas on the Dream team...rule of thumb dont piss MJ off...
@shanec211 - Wasn't just because of Jordan. Isiah managed to piss a lot of people off back then. The "freeze out" at Jordan's first all-star game is why MJ hated him. He went on to say that Bird was only seen as a superstar because he was white, and suggested Magic contracted AIDS via homosexual activity. None of the three wanted him on that team. Reportedly, Karl Malone hated him as well.
@powerliftingfan1 true, I forgot about the bird comment, ‘’bird is an average “black” player”.. makes sense why he never made the team. I’m not an Isaiah fan or supporter but I think per his resume he should of made that team. Thanks for the clarification, though...
@shanec211, I agree he should have been on the team, no disrespect to Stockton but Isiah was the better all around player. However, if you make enemies of MJ, Bird and Magic it's not like they can't do w/o you. Could have surrounded those guys with mannequins and it wouldn't have mattered.
Think about it... Magic Johnson, the player with one of the most illustrious resumes in NBA history, and arguably the greatest of all time... called Michael Jordan the "best ever" even BEFORE Jordan had 3-peated... THE FIRST TIME. Imagine if the same question had been posed just before Jordan's SECOND 3-peat. This kind of puts the debate to rest.
Magic succumbed to injuries? No he didn't. Unless you count HIV as an "injury" then fine he succumbed to injuries. But up till the HIV thing Magic stayed very healthy and active unlike Isaiah. Misery loves company.
@magicjohnsonist there is no doubt in my mind that MJ is the greatest basketball player if not the greatest athlete. He was absolutely dominate in the NBA. No one could hold a flame to him. He was also a main reason why the NBA began to be recognized internationally through the 80s and 90s. He also earned himself a three peat, retired from basketball to pursue a career in baseball, came back and won another three peat, those three peats proved he was the best, as well as...
@magicjohnsonist the records he set and the accomplishments. Magic is ONE of the best, but MJ is THE best. Everyone knew he was the greatest basketball player and even though i didnt grow up to see MJ or Magic play, i watched games and learned so much about both Magic and MJ. There is no doubt in my mind that Micheal Jordan is the greatest.
@magicjohnsonist i was expecting some sort of backlash based of ur name alone when u asked me the question. Your doesnt mean anything man because its bias. Ur a Magic fan so ur always gna side with Magic even when u know he isnt the best ull retort with something else. "Bill Russel get 11 champions" was ur response. Its not all about trophies kid and either way, Russell had it easy with Celtics back in those days. Im not taking anything away from him but in modern games he wouldve won like 2.
@magicjohnsonist Russell was a great player, but you have to remember his era had fewer teams, many fewer players and there were no salary restrictions and very few trade restriction which meant the rich Boston Celtics franchise was able to buy itself a team full of all-stars and dominate
@personses There are somethings you can't learn or be coached to have. Speed , Size Quickness. You can learn how to take those God given blessings and use them better and that is what MJ did. Although it is rare that one man holds all the cards MJ did. As Carl Lewis in track & Field did but they also worked hard. Perfect Storm.
jordan is the greatest bball player ever but i cant say he's the greatest athlete of all time. Most people seem to forget bout Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown.
@mj4everbulls he didnt have aids, he had HIV and took medications to prevent his HIV from turning to AIDS. magic johnson is one of the greatest basketball players of all time..dont give him that nickname, dick.
Michael is the best basketball player, athlete..but he can't touch Isiah's or Bird's or especially Magic's personality. Magic personality is the best you can get, he would always give praise to other people, lift them up...true leader and a great person.
Michael is egocentric and that is why he comes in my opinion short as a sportsman.
So speaking of a basketball player as a whole I put my money on Magic Earvin Johnson. Period.
@ballabaybe Isiah and Bird's personalities? The same Isiah Thomas that refused to shake the Bulls hands after they were swept in the playoffs? The same Isaiah Thomas that backed up Rodman saying "Bird only got attention because he was white"? The same Larry Bird that got into a boxing match in a game with Dr. J? The same Larry Bird who would talk trash all game long and told Converse that he would only do the shoe commercial if Magic came to Indiana assuming Magic wouldn't come?? right.....
Actually, Isaiah made a good point. Magic's reasoning is flawed. When did you ever see Jordan fouled out in a decisive game? Why (mentally) substracting him from the team. Apart from that did they have three of the best defenders in their respective positions. Jordan, Pippen and Grant were beasts and I cannot see that defense on the Lakers team.
@omnivorous65 I don't remember him ever fouling out in a big game. The only way to take him out would be an injury. He broke his foot and was out quite awhile. And yea, Pippen and Jordan got something like 10 or more all defensive team awards each (I don't know the exact number), and their defense is often over looked. Grant was a great defender too and so was Rodman later on when they picked him up. The Lakers had Cooper and AC Green for defense, and they were good.
wow its just unreal that they already called him the greatest ever before his career was half over... in what other sport has anyone ever done that? ZERO. To me, the respect that so many great players gave Michael before his career was half over speaks volumes to how good he really was. Incredible.
He's not only the Best NBA player ever, He is the Best Sports Athlete EVER. No one has ever dominated a sport for a decade like Michael did. I don't care what sport you look at, no other athlete has been known through the whole world like MJ was. Especially in a league with that much talent at the time, the 90's were stacked with talent on every team.
@Synicaalescape I have to disagree. During these guys' era the All Star game had better defense than the regular games now. Unfortunately, MJ was so exciting that the league wanted more players like him and the only way they could do that was to make the rules more favorable to the offensive player, especially perimeter players. What wasn't a foul in that era is a foul in this era, and what was a foul in that era is often considered a flagrant today.
That is all true. The NBA has gotten waterd down in the past decade. I think it's all on David Stern, he is trying to make a 'perfect' image of the NBA, where players act like robots with no emotion,and can't question the officiating. But let's not assume that today's players couldn't get physical in the more physical era. For example, LeBron. 6'8 250 pounds, had he grown up in the physical era, he'd probably be a aggressive defender. Until that idiot Stern leaves the NBA's doomed
@Synicaalescape i like the point you make about stern. im curious, where does he rank in tenure among commissioners for the three major sports? i wasn't aware that league commissioner was a lifetime post.lol he got the fighting out of the game. he began a new era for marketing basketball players on par with tennis and baseball in the eighties. he's served his purpose. he's exhausted his vision.
@raulrln77 Being "known" is different than dominating. Bo Jackson, Jim Thorpe, Wilt Chamberlain and Jim Brown were all better athletes than Jordan because they dominated multiple sports. Jordan was only great at basketball. And I would argue that Barry Bonds, Wayne Gretsky, Ted Williams, and Babe Ruth dominated their sports as much as Jordan, even though those sports (especially baseball) are harder to dominate.
@raulrln77 what about brazils pele, argentinas maradona, brazils ronaldo, argentinas messi.... though he hasn't been around ten years although he certainly will be....
michael still a very good candidate for the best of all time in the world in all sports
@quakov He played in a weaker era. He has championship rings but he's nowhere near the best ever. Michael is the best ever. He meant the most to his sport.
@raulrln77 BEST ATHLETE EVER? I want to agree with you there and i respect MJ SO Much but you cant say Best sports athlete, there are so many great athletes, i believe he is the face of Basketball and also can say he IS BasketBall but saying the greatest Athlete is a Basketball players opinion, others would say the same with anyone who has dominated a sport thay have played, Ali for Boxing, Fedor for MMA, Tiger for Golf, Rice For Gridiron, Phelps for Swimming and the list goes on.
@SubzeroWeather Jordan would beat everyone easily if basketball is a one on one game. Instead, his dominance led a team to the success. Not to mention his recognition across the countries. I came from Asia and people in there know Jordan but nobody knows Tiger, Rice or Ali. People in my country started to play basketball because of him. Jordan made basketball famous globally.
@raulrln77 it's true but I don't think he is the only one unless you're talking about basket-ball
There's some legends too which dominated a sport for a decade like MJ did, Michael Schumacher for example (formula 1, 7 times world champion), Tiger Woods (Golf), Roger Federer & Pete Sampras (Tennis), Lance Amstrong, ....
@raulrln77 Babe Ruth? From 1920-1929, he hit .355/467/1331 with a 1.228 OPS. He had Seven 40-HR seasons, 4 of which were 50 HR seasons and 1 was a 60 HR season, and this is not on steroids....I would say Babe Ruth is probably the only other guy in any sport to dominate an entire decade like Jordan did in basketball.
@vaibanez17 Babe Ruth is the biggest athlete ever in history...imagine if he was doing what he did back then today in the media internet age...He would definetly be right there on the same level as Jordan...This guy is like a myth...A legend...Folk Lore or whatever they call that shit...but you get the point...The Babe..The name says it all...Lou was Scottie.
@MrSlik25 No, cant agree with u @all & i think the bambino was amazing but, not 2 make this a racial thing but there werent even any black players back then! Thats a major asterisk in my book. also, calling a man who would down a bottle of bourbon the nite b4 a game & puffing cigars is hardly athletic.
@edupbeat ok so what you're saying is black athletes are the best athletes of all time? cause that certainly seems to be what you're implying. if that's the case you might want to take a giant step back and rethink your logic there fella.
@MrHavaniceday ummm, comparatively speaking, considering that mostly white, american males where playing the game at the time, i'd say yeah, blacks where superior athletically. simple question, why weren't they allowed to play? & who said anything about "blacks being the best athletes of all time", huh?! stop fox new-sing my words son.
MJ The GOAT
2333mack 15 hours ago
Jordan sucks
babykevinxoxo 1 month ago
@babykevinxoxo LMAO!! how many times did michael caused your butt to hurt? :D
elwingy 2 weeks ago
@elwingy everyday because this guy is profiting off of young Asian women making his shoes and he made billions off of those young women. If the Lakers of 1987 and the Celtics of 1984 were all 25 yrs old again Jordan would get his ass kicked.
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@babykevinxoxo ooohh, you mean the same Celtics and Lakers that they themselves call MJ the GOAT? Riight, but hey... you know better than them! In fact you know better than Bill Russel,Pat Riley, Chuck Daily, Paul Westphall, Jeremy Sloan, Bird, Magic,pretty much everyone before and after MJ's time and everyone today.
Also everything is made in China so Iguess all of the world profits of young asian women, even you and your mighty products you probably using and wearing right now. OH THE IRONY!
elwingy 2 weeks ago
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@babykevinxoxo Those young Asian women were lucky to have a job because of MJ's popularity, to earn a living. It's either that or plowing the rice fields all day long.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 week ago
@babykevinxoxo those bitches have jobs ! lol!
MrHavok29 1 week ago
90's........... yes!
uncletitis 1 month ago
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tiger1649 1 month ago
JORDA IS A SUPER SAIYAN
wilzusuki 1 month ago
Its impossible to say someone is "the best ever" in a sport like this, you can really only say the best in their position. Jordan was the best Shooting Guard/Small Forward ever, Magic was the best point guard ever, Chamberlain was the best Center ever, etc. You can't say Jordan>Magic, Jordans passing skills are no were near that of Magic. Jordans shooting was nothing in comparison to Bird. Jordan was great, but you can't call him the greatest ever.
TheArchangles982 1 month ago
@TheArchangles982 It's more absurd to say that someone is the best in their position, than it is to say they're the best ever. In this sport, positions are there for..I really don't know. Everyone is allowed to do the same thing, and the great one play multiple roles on a team. I understand why there's a QB, why there is a third baseman. But really, Dirk and Karl Malone play PF?
TheNeeks6 1 month ago
@TheNeeks6 If its all about being able to play multiple roles then Magic Johnson was by far the greatest player to ever live. Positions are assigned to different types of players, a SG is supposed to be the teams great shooter from the three, or a jumper but average in the paint, a PG is suppose to pass the ball to your all-star players for the bucket (not score like they do today). Small forwards are the drivers and all around guys Centers rebound and attack from post PFs are just small centers
TheArchangles982 1 month ago
@TheArchangles982 Magic can fill multiple needs as well as anyone in history, on offense..When best "all around" is talked about, people seem to neglect the defensive aspect, which is a good portion of the game. I've seen Rodman D-up everyone from Jordan to Shaq, seen Pippen play absolute lock up from Mark Jackson to Barkley. Magic has never been known as a great defensive player, in fact he was a liability at times. Yet, Magic is the unquestioned best "all around"?
TheNeeks6 1 month ago
@TheArchangles982 I know what the stereotypes are for positions. I understand the point is the handler/distributor and the C plays the pivot, but all others are just for labeling convenience and archaic. Bird, Webber, Pip, bron, etc..ran the offense, they're not guards. Isn't it more apt to call Peja, Durant, Granger, Dirk a shooting forward then calling Wade, Tyreke, Iggy, Thabo a shooting G? Why is Duncan a PF when he's obviously the pivot? It's not reflective of the roles.
TheNeeks6 1 month ago
@TheNeeks6 The roles don't work that way anymore, but in the past they were on point.
TheArchangles982 1 month ago
@TheNeeks6 No, i'm clearly saying, that as a fan, and a person that follows the game, that there are players that did more than jordan, i named a few based on these kids that came on the scene when Nike blew up the 90's and pumped Jordan. Best era of basketball in my eyes was by far the 80's. And in a fan perspective, i say magic would be the GOAT, just because of his size, and skill alone, we'll never see a 6'9 pg again ever. And this was a man that put up 20 with 7 boards and 11 dimes a game.
DaWoOdPrInCe 1 month ago
@DaWoOdPrInCe What about Lebron? He's 6'8, plays pg at times, and gets ridiculous numbers. The onyl difference is that he is not as clutch as Bird, Magic or MJ. If you talk about a palyer that is more all around, then you are talking about Magic. If you are talking about a player that defends, scores, can pass, rebound, steal, block and win, then you're talking about MJ as the GOAT. Magic & Isiah even state that they had better teams but MJ was what made the Bulls a contending team.
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tiger1649 1 month ago
5:00 for "best ever"
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NbaItouch095 1 month ago
Best player of all time is Kareem
tellthetruthg 2 months ago
Still the same nigga, still usin frooty loops
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there is no such thing as the best ever(overall)
DH12C 2 months ago
To end all GOAT arguments. Uhm simply saying, there were far too many players that did more than Jordan. I mean wilt did more, bill did more, and those were just the big names. Elgin Baylor did more. Now let me stop taking things from jordan because in 2 eras the game changed. I say Dr. J ..wait no i dont even know but magic definitely did. Oscar Robertson was as athletic as jordan and did more STAT wise. jordan got the rings. kareem has just as many and all time points. So jordan isnt goat.
DaWoOdPrInCe 2 months ago
@DaWoOdPrInCe lol..jordans records and accomplishments speak for themselves kid. elgin baylor did "more"...hes not a champion, hes a hall of fame allstar, magic and bird already credit jordan as the best, dr j and jordan have similar talents in their game but jordan is dominant in every aspect possible, oscars "STATS" are below jordans so idk wtf u talkin about, jabbar may have as many rings and finals mvp but remember jrodan played only 15 seasons while jabbar played 20 and still more records
MrJtotheohnnn 2 months ago
@DaWoOdPrInCe if you dont agree with my statement, who do you think is the best player of all time if not jrodan and ill challenge you on your answer. (and dont even say theyre all great players and there is no best because in every sport there is someone considered the best)....and dont forget...PLAYERS who have actually played the game (still playing and retired) credit jordan as the best so opinions of the public are really of no relevance....but w/e
MrJtotheohnnn 2 months ago
@DaWoOdPrInCe It says something,when multiple great players accomplishments need to be mentioned to equal that of one man.
TheNeeks6 1 month ago
his energy level is over 9000!
thesambas 2 months ago
Magic is my best and favorite of all times but he is such an humble person!
eligah8 2 months ago
they don't even mention pippen which strikes me as a bit disrespectful. he was so damnd important for the bulls.
houwie300 2 months ago
no one beats the '96 Bulls, Jordan wouldn't allow it
tabkitchen1983 2 months ago
succame is not a word buddy
tupark82 2 months ago
It's not about who would've stopped Kareem and the other so-called weapons, it's more, which one of them would've stopped MJ?
icantreadorwrite 3 months ago
The Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons were incredible, and I think they may could have beaten these Bulls, and the Pistons did for two or three years in a row. However, with MJ, the rest of the Bull s team is so strong, but without him they are not as good. The Championship Bulls teams could have beaten any other team from any time in any given series. Impressive that NBA stars call MJ the best that has ever played. Wow. I knew he was great because I watched so many of his games, but damn!
anthonygareth 3 months ago 8
Another dumb comment people make in regards to Wilt Chamberlain..."They changed the rules for Wilt".The league was still young in Wilts day rules are gonna change regardless.And since they changed the rules of intergration sooner or later they would have to change some rules to accomadate the black athlete.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
fuck thomas mj the bes ever to play this fucking game no player ever be like michael jordan the greatest all timeeeeeeeee
k122379 3 months ago
Man Fuck Isiah Thomas he only saying that because he hates Jordan ever since he got drafted to the bulls.
markie4389 4 months ago
Wilt Chamberlain made them change the rules. What rule did they change for Michael?
MJ isn't even in the same conversation with Shaq, forget Wilt. Look at what happened when MJ left the Bulls. They were still a very good, playoff team. Look at what happened when Shaq left Orlando. Then left LA, even with Kobe. Then Heat, even when old. They went from either playing for the title, or winning it, to lousy teams that could not get into the playoffs.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 They changed the hand checking rules and implemented the 3 second rule into the league to help promote scoring because the suits behind the scenes running the NBA feared that they would lose viewers and tickets sales not having an athlete being able to score at such a high rate as MJ.
Now look at today's scoring. High scorers are a dime a dozen.
By the way - on in depth statistical breakdown, Jordan has better numbers than Wilt.
daveberg69 4 months ago
@daveberg69 You're kidding, right? The 3-second rule was in effect way before Jordan. There's no proof whatsoever (I assume you're talking about defensive 3-second) that Jordan was in any way responsible for this.
High scoring was common even in Jordan's day. Since he left, they allowed zones. If he were so dominant, why didn't he then.
Jordan's stats are VASTLY inferior. Chamberlain scored more, got more rebounds, got more blocks, had more assists, etc...
Jordan sold more sneakers
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 -Jordan was a higher scorer in the playoffs than wilt. Has a higher career average than Wilt. Scored more 30/40 point games than wilt in the playoffs. Jordan has more rings than wilt. Jordan averaged more steals than Wilt........oh and Chamberlain had more assists? Are you on crack?
High scoring was common? I don't recall many players other than Bird and a select few others putting up big numbers. on the 40/40/50 basis.
Nowadays it's common place. Shot jackers R us.
daveberg69 4 months ago
@daveberg69 Career averages for Chamberlain went way down when he was asked not to shoot as much later in his career. In his prime, he scored WAY more than Jordan and shot a much higher percentage.
I guess you didn't know Chamberlain led the league in assists the first year he was asked to pass more. Now you know.
Notice how you have to qualify your remarks? There are more playoff games now. Duh. It's a meaningless stat.
TA152H01 4 months ago
They didn't record steals when Chamberlain was playing, so you're using another bogus stat.
So, we have Chamberlain scoring more until he was asked not to, shooting at a higher percentage (over 4% higher), dominating Jordan on rebounding (23 per game, career). Jordan was a better free throw shooter.
If you want to talk playoffs, did you know Chamberlain AVERAGED 24.5 rebounds per game. Jordan scored more points in playoffs because he shot more. He had a lower percentage.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 Wilt was asked to not shoot because it didnt help teams win titles.Jordan was asked to share the ball and his numbers were still incredible and his numbers impacted his teams championships.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Yet, one of Wilt's teams beat the legendary Celtic's dynasty.
Here's the reality. Jordan doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Shaq. When he left the Bulls, they were still a very, very good team the next year. When Shaq left teams, they became horrible, even with guys like Penny, Kobe, and Wade on them.
Chamberlain made them change rules. He averaged 24.5 rebounds, and 22.5 points in the playoffs, and 23/30 over his career. Amazing.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 But Orlando made the playoffs when Shaq left.Dont you remember?Penny only played 59 games that year it was the beggining of his knee injuries.And lets not forget the season before Shaq had Penny the Magic were 41-41.The year after Shaq left Penny led the Magic to a 45-37 record.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 That's a good point, but let's look a little deeper. The year before O'Neal arrived, the Magic were 21-61. When O'Neal arrived, and mind you, this is as a rookie and not in his prime, they improved to 41-41. That's HUGE. When Penny came, and with O'Neal being a year better, they improved to 50-32, only nine games even with O'Neal improving.
O'Neal's last season, they were 60-22. After he left, 45-37. That's remarkable, really. Don't you think?
TA152H01 3 months ago
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@TA152H01
Your examples are all simplistic. A lot of different dynamics can change year to year in a basketball team.
Rookie season stats:
Bird: 21.3 PPG, .474 FG%, 10.4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.6 BPG.
MJ: 28.2 PPG, .515 FG%, 6.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 2.4 SPG, 0.8 BPG.
My point? MJ was far superior to Bird when you compare their rookie seasons. Yet Bird's celtics were more successful and improved by more wins. There are other factors at play other than just one players individual performance.
Starks9970 3 months ago
@TA152H01 The reason I bought up the Magic making the playoffs the year after Shaq left is to remind you that yes the Bulls were good without MJ because of the triangle offense and the addition of deadly three point shooters.know this..Both Orlando without Shaq and the Bulls without MJ did the same thing...they made the playoffs neither team won anything.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Well, it's not exactly the same thing. Before Jordan joined the Bulls, they were 27-55. After 38-44, an 11 game improvement. The next year, 30-52. Even worse. Shaq's impact was much greater. Before Jordan left, the Bulls were 57-25. The year after 55-27. No difference, really. Orlando changed 15 games.
TA152H01 3 months ago
You cant judge whos greater based on TEAM improvements.There are too many elements involved in those wins and losses.Lets say Jordan doesnt break his foot.Lets say Corzine grabs 13 rebs instead of 6.This is why its a team sport in regards to accolades such as championships and regular season accomplishments like 72 wins or 55 losses.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 It's not foolproof, but it's a pretty good indicator. Every team Shaq left (in his prime) had huge drops in games won. This despite, in some cases, getting some good players in return for him. Is it always a coincidence? I think not. On the other hand, the Bulls got no one for Jordan when he left,and they barely moved. It's not definitive proof, but it's a good indicator. Even Phil Jackson said if he had to start a team with one guy, he'd have picked Shaq.
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@TA152H01 If this is your argument then this debate is not for me because you refuse to factor in every element in wins and losses.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Why do you keep talking about team improvement? It's an indicator yes, but I guess it doesn't explain why Jordan has 6 championships while Shaq has 4. Why Jordan has more MVP's. Why Jordan has 2 dunk contest wins. Why he has a defensive player of the year. Why Magic says Michael Jordan is better. Why Kobe says Jordan is better. Why Shaq HIMSELF says that Michael Jordan is better...Phil Jackson saying he'd rather have Shaq doesn't mean he is better than Jordan. He needs a big man.
freak4pans 2 months ago
@freak4pans Jordan got all his championships because he played on the same team. Shaq got them on two teams.
Dunk contests matter? LOL!!!!!
We all know Shaq was better than Jordan. He got more rebounds, got more blocked shots, and shot at a much higher percentage. Shaq changed a game more.
What I think you're saying, and I'd agree with, is that centers are just more important. It's true. It's why Jackson said he'd rather start a team with Shaq.
TA152H01 2 months ago
@TA152H01 Shaq was not better than Jordan, sorry
EagleLC21 2 months ago
@EagleLC21 I mostly agree, but if you had to create a team around a guy, you'd pick Shaq. He had more impact, and he won more games. Centers are more important positions, is really what it comes down to. That's why Phil Jackson also picked Shaq ahead of Jordan.
Now Wilt, he was simply better than Jordan. I don't know if we'll ever see anyone that good again, but we'll see new incarnations of Jordan, and comparisons. Wilt was just not human.
TA152H01 2 months ago
@TA152H01 WHAT ON EARTH ARE U FKING SAYING????? SHAQ WAS NO WHERE NEAR AS GOOD A PLAYER AS MJ DUMMASS!!!!!!! AND THE ONLY REASON HE HAD A HIGHER SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IS COS HE NEVER WENT FOR MUCH JUMPSHOTS....DUM FUCK
xxAzZa32xx 2 months ago
@xxAzZa32xx Stop taking drugs, dumb ass.
Shaq got more rebounds, shot at a much higher percentage and had more blocked shots. According to Phil Jackson, who knows more than you do (you being a retard), he would rather start a team with Shaq.
All indications are he had more impact. A guy who coached both picked him, the records of teams they joined and left make it clear Shaq had a lot more impact. Centers are just more important.
Now stop taking drugs, you brain-dead loser.
TA152H01 2 months ago
@TA152H01
Haha, you're ability to analyze stats is horrible. PER and Win Shares both take into account all positive and negative contributions an individual makes to a game and applies them on a per minute basis. MJ scores better in both metrics.
And Wilt was a statpadder who routinely checked his points at halftime. His era had ZERO competition and an incredibly fast pace. Adjust Jordan's stats to the pace of that era and he'd average like 50/15/10, and I'm not even accounting for competition.
boredfun91 2 months ago
@boredfun91 Actually, you're typical of someone who has nothing to say, and spouts horseshit.
In fact, the season after Jordan left, Chicago only won two games less.
Saying Wilt was a stat padder is just made up crap. All players care about their stats, but Wilt gave up scoring one year to lead the league in assists.
Both won in scoring. Did Jordan ever win at rebounding? Did he ever lead the league in assists? Easy for a guard than a center.
Wilt is in a class by himself.
TA152H01 2 months ago
@TA152H01 Stop overrating the Bulls55 win season without Jordan.Bulls were the same team with the additions of Longley,Kerr,Kukoc,Wennington.Pippen quit on his team hes overrated as well.
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@RohoicRamz94 Yet, Jordan could never win without him. Yup, that's overrated.
Even Phil Jackson said he'd have rather built a team around Shaq. Mainly because the position is more important, but that's what it is. He was a more important player. Unless you think you know more than Phil Jackson.
TA152H01 1 month ago
@TA152H01 Pippen had a helluva team in 94 as opposed to Jordans teammates from 85-87.You dont think Jordan would win 55 games with the 94 roster?
RohoicRamz94 1 month ago
@RohoicRamz94 I'm not suggesting Pippen was better than Jordan. I'm just saying the obvious, that he was an excellent player. He did everything well, and complemented Jordan perfectly. There wasn't a single weakness to his game (nor to Jordan's, for that matter).
One great player, however great he is, doesn't win championships. It's never been done. It's no insult to Jordan to say he needed Pippen. It's how the game is.
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@TA152H01
MJ leaving wasnt the only change to the Bulls roster though, so that's a pretty unfair comparison.
1995 Bulls no MJ= 34-31
1995 Bulls with MJ= 13-4
Thats a more fair comparison, because no other changes were made to the roster during that season.
Is MJ overrated for turning a 55-win second round team into a 72-win championship winner? I don't think so.
Starks9970 3 months ago
@daveberg69 People kill me when they say "They didnt keep this or they didnt keep that stat"No matter what stats were kept its obvious Wilts numbers werent good enough to help his team win titles as opposed to Jordan.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
Michael Jordan will always be the best ever. Thank you MJ for the memories. I'm fortunate to have watched the prime of his life playing the greatest basketball game for all eternity.
mcdus78 4 months ago
Magic is one of the Greatest, Top-5 easily. However Magic is not the best because as an overall player, Michael Jordan had the least amount of weaknesses out of any NBA player of all time, of All Time.
Magic was not a particularly great defender, while MJ was one of the greatest 1v1 defenders of all time. His DPY is testament to that, that along with his inside game puts him above Magic. Only one that could be debated is Kareem, but even Jordan edges him.
TrueSephiros 4 months ago
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThePistolp23 4 months ago
@ThePistolp23 MICHAEL JORDAN IS ALWAYS THE BEST EVER!!!
kimv020887 4 months ago
sorry to be off topic but isiah thomas look like the jacksons haha
procastoner8 4 months ago
@procastoner8 he does kind of look like jackie
MrPlantcity813 4 months ago
The Bulls would have beat both the Pistons and the Lakers. Magic says if you take him and MIke out the game but Mike is going to play and Mike is 100 times better than Magic. The Bulls team defense was better than the Lakers. The Bulls were more athletic, faster, and more talented than the Lakers. The Bulls had Scottie Pippen, and Horace Grant and Bill Cartwright on the boards and with John Paxon and B.J. Armstrong there outside shooting is superior as well. Bulls 4 Lakers 2.
moneyman237952 4 months ago
the great players in today's nba are authentically great. the second and third tier players, however are were the league suffers. they need to find their niche. guys like horry, and ricky pierce, sam perkins were never all stars but respected. second tier guys today are wanna be #1 options who get overpaid and don't deliver when they get their own team.
edscottable 5 months ago
if kareem and jordan played together, kareem wouldn't have guarded any damn body. he'd have gotten sick of never getting the first look. mike would always have thrown it to him in some bad position. he wouldn't have utilized really talented guys well. mj needed a team of guys that didn't oppose him but had enough talent to help the team compete. mjs infectious ferocity made his weaker teammates better, thus eventually putting them over the top.
edscottable 5 months ago
@edscottable "Mike would always have thrown it to him in some bad position"
What does this even mean? It sounds inaccurate. Scottie Pippen had immense talent (look at his production even the years MJ was playing baseball). How do you know MJ wouldn't have just averaged fewer rebounds but more assists? MJ was a very effective passer especially in his prime.
boredfun91 5 months ago
mike was not self effacing as how magic was. magic was a dream to play with. no less competitive, just ten times more charismatic. mike was a bail out passer, not a creater. he'd throw it to guys after he put the shot clock into single digits. you can give the ball to a spot up shooter in that fashion, but not a first option type scorer. they need to catch ball in rythym. pippen had superstar ability yet didn't mind deferring. mj had a very unique cast. phil jackson did a masterful job.
edscottable 5 months ago
@edscottable Well of course, Magic was a better passer. I'm not going to argue that one lol. I'm just saying they could have been equally if not more successful with Jordan. Jordan was a bail out passer out of necessity. None of the players on the Bulls in the late 80s could really create a shot for himself, and most of them were role players other than Pippen. MJ dominated the ball a lot less in the championship years though. I'm sure Kareem would have gotten touches, but its just speculation
boredfun91 5 months ago
the truth from a tamed beast. mike is the truth
slimdogg3325 5 months ago
if you look closely, lebron traveled..
jamezyyy 5 months ago
@jamezyyy if you look closely....you can see your momma on my dick..
jimmy6700 5 months ago
magic the best not jordan
magicjohnsonist 5 months ago
Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Ewing, Wilkins = 0 titles
s0ta21 5 months ago
bulls haters...
mogliboy93 6 months ago
I love how Magic stats that his teams along with Birds we're stacked and Jordan won all his champions with Scottie and a bunch of scrubs. I mean really Jordan champion teams never had a truly respectable center altho Cartright had game. And all his point guards we're spot up shooters and no real serious 6th man other than Toni and he didn't really blossom to his own till after the Bulls. You put Kobe or Lebron on his championship teams and i doubt they win 2
william420adam 6 months ago
@william420adam I knew the Cs were stacked, but I realized how really stacked they were when I read an article with a quote from Gary Schisting who played in that legendary Cs team. He basically said that he thought that that team was the greatest because it had 3 hall of famers and 7 other players that became all stars at least once. It really puts in perspective how stacked Bird's team was. Same with Magic's.
uberathlete 6 months ago
i thought white dude's name bab cat lmao.
watchmen715 6 months ago
Michael is all that and some, but greatest athlete ever?.... Dominated like no one else ever?... Most famous worldwide?...... Has anyone ever heard of a guy named Muhammad Ali? Anybody? Ali was beating the "all time greats" when those fighters were still in their prime! No disrespect to Michael, but the Magic's, Bird's, Isaiah's, etc. were not all necessarily at the peak of their careers when Michael finally started to win titles. Ali should at least be mentioned with Michael.
formeyousee 6 months ago
Isiah Thomas (top 10 point guards of all time), yet was kept off the first olympic "Dream team", because of Jordan...MJ hated him and the Pistons for all the hard fouls they put on him...aka the "Jordan Rules” besides Jordan already won gold playing in the 84’ Olympics when he was in College.... he wasn’t going to play if they wanted Thomas on the Dream team...rule of thumb dont piss MJ off...
shanec211 6 months ago
@shanec211 - Wasn't just because of Jordan. Isiah managed to piss a lot of people off back then. The "freeze out" at Jordan's first all-star game is why MJ hated him. He went on to say that Bird was only seen as a superstar because he was white, and suggested Magic contracted AIDS via homosexual activity. None of the three wanted him on that team. Reportedly, Karl Malone hated him as well.
powerliftingfan1 6 months ago
@powerliftingfan1 true, I forgot about the bird comment, ‘’bird is an average “black” player”.. makes sense why he never made the team. I’m not an Isaiah fan or supporter but I think per his resume he should of made that team. Thanks for the clarification, though...
shanec211 6 months ago
@shanec211, I agree he should have been on the team, no disrespect to Stockton but Isiah was the better all around player. However, if you make enemies of MJ, Bird and Magic it's not like they can't do w/o you. Could have surrounded those guys with mannequins and it wouldn't have mattered.
powerliftingfan1 6 months ago
succame?
rapha7el 7 months ago
@rapha7el are you implying that youve never heard of the word succame?
eldiablo0684 6 months ago
This video defines respect.
MIchael23Jordan84 7 months ago
Think about it... Magic Johnson, the player with one of the most illustrious resumes in NBA history, and arguably the greatest of all time... called Michael Jordan the "best ever" even BEFORE Jordan had 3-peated... THE FIRST TIME. Imagine if the same question had been posed just before Jordan's SECOND 3-peat. This kind of puts the debate to rest.
aydivine 7 months ago
@aydivine Well said. You really can't compare MJ to anyone else...the LeBron comparison is just disgusting!
LocoGroove 7 months ago
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Well at least Magic was tell the truth about MJ being the best ...thumbs up if ur with me.
slientkiller23 7 months ago
lol no wonder he is the best ever... with only 2 rings he was already being considered the best. now that he has 6 rings.. is all over
raoXI 7 months ago
Magic was right
I love the bulls and am from Chicago.. But that Lakers team as a unit was insane! Pure class and team work at it's finest
JacqueShredo 7 months ago
Magic succumbed to injuries? No he didn't. Unless you count HIV as an "injury" then fine he succumbed to injuries. But up till the HIV thing Magic stayed very healthy and active unlike Isaiah. Misery loves company.
EjkoUSC 7 months ago
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Uh oh! Johnson said "if."
ma7799 7 months ago
You have to give Isiah props for being honest about MJs greatness...
bshen88 7 months ago
whats wrong with Isiah eyebrow?
chimiganga100101 8 months ago
"Succame to injuries." haha. Didn't know "succumb" could be made past tense. Learn something new every day.
23Incubus23 8 months ago
4:59 for magic johnsons comment "best ever" on Micheal Jordan
personses 8 months ago 29
@personses i owe one
TopKnotchKicks 8 months ago
@personses for you who is better magic or jordan?
magicjohnsonist 5 months ago
@magicjohnsonist there is no doubt in my mind that MJ is the greatest basketball player if not the greatest athlete. He was absolutely dominate in the NBA. No one could hold a flame to him. He was also a main reason why the NBA began to be recognized internationally through the 80s and 90s. He also earned himself a three peat, retired from basketball to pursue a career in baseball, came back and won another three peat, those three peats proved he was the best, as well as...
personses 5 months ago
@magicjohnsonist the records he set and the accomplishments. Magic is ONE of the best, but MJ is THE best. Everyone knew he was the greatest basketball player and even though i didnt grow up to see MJ or Magic play, i watched games and learned so much about both Magic and MJ. There is no doubt in my mind that Micheal Jordan is the greatest.
personses 5 months ago 19
@personses hey you know Bill Russel get the 11 champions and 5 MVP jordan get only 6 champions so Bill Russel is the greatest ever not your jordan
magicjohnsonist 4 months ago
@magicjohnsonist
Russell got them on his own? how many Hall of famers from that time were on the Celtics playing 9 teams in a league back then?
Dkouts57 4 months ago
@magicjohnsonist i was expecting some sort of backlash based of ur name alone when u asked me the question. Your doesnt mean anything man because its bias. Ur a Magic fan so ur always gna side with Magic even when u know he isnt the best ull retort with something else. "Bill Russel get 11 champions" was ur response. Its not all about trophies kid and either way, Russell had it easy with Celtics back in those days. Im not taking anything away from him but in modern games he wouldve won like 2.
personses 4 months ago
@magicjohnsonist Russell was a great player, but you have to remember his era had fewer teams, many fewer players and there were no salary restrictions and very few trade restriction which meant the rich Boston Celtics franchise was able to buy itself a team full of all-stars and dominate
TheNewzbreak 4 months ago
@personses There are somethings you can't learn or be coached to have. Speed , Size Quickness. You can learn how to take those God given blessings and use them better and that is what MJ did. Although it is rare that one man holds all the cards MJ did. As Carl Lewis in track & Field did but they also worked hard. Perfect Storm.
tellthetruthg 2 months ago
@personses thank you for saving my time...
Mrcabletwitch 5 months ago
I remember this moment.
Amazing how obvious it quickly became that Jordan was the greatest ever.
duckhive 8 months ago
The sound is terrible...bad quality!!
cornfrosties123 8 months ago
@cornfrosties123 its from 93
donut8907 8 months ago
@cornfrosties123 no shit its from 1993
fuccabitch212 8 months ago
roger ffffederer
VietGnomese 8 months ago
What happened to Scottie Pippen? Was he not there or something?/"Shit, he's still there," lol
pretzelpimp 9 months ago
they seem to have forgotten a man called scottie pippen?
MrKoocumber 9 months ago
jordan is the greatest bball player ever but i cant say he's the greatest athlete of all time. Most people seem to forget bout Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown.
ruugmon89 9 months ago
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ruugmon89 9 months ago
AIDS boy still alive?
mj4everbulls 9 months ago
@mj4everbulls he didnt have aids, he had HIV and took medications to prevent his HIV from turning to AIDS. magic johnson is one of the greatest basketball players of all time..dont give him that nickname, dick.
salarmander27 6 months ago
yo isaiah you want some knee pads
MaxAime 9 months ago
i agree with magic
2pacisthebest90 9 months ago
MJ's Bulls were too good for any team (lakers,piston celtics) Hands down.
rob23molina 10 months ago
magic was right. the lakers and celtics were better than bulls, but michael's the best.
tyreesemj1 10 months ago
THE SHIT
Youtumania11 10 months ago
Michael is the best basketball player, athlete..but he can't touch Isiah's or Bird's or especially Magic's personality. Magic personality is the best you can get, he would always give praise to other people, lift them up...true leader and a great person.
Michael is egocentric and that is why he comes in my opinion short as a sportsman.
So speaking of a basketball player as a whole I put my money on Magic Earvin Johnson. Period.
ballabaybe 11 months ago
@ballabaybe Isiah and Bird's personalities? The same Isiah Thomas that refused to shake the Bulls hands after they were swept in the playoffs? The same Isaiah Thomas that backed up Rodman saying "Bird only got attention because he was white"? The same Larry Bird that got into a boxing match in a game with Dr. J? The same Larry Bird who would talk trash all game long and told Converse that he would only do the shoe commercial if Magic came to Indiana assuming Magic wouldn't come?? right.....
dre4eva 10 months ago
@dre4eva
You made your point.
The focus is on magic.
Anyway, thank you for additional information.
Have a nice day :)
ballabaybe 10 months ago
@ballabaybe
Hey you too! Keep enjoying the game, its what brings us all together!
dre4eva 10 months ago
Actually, Isaiah made a good point. Magic's reasoning is flawed. When did you ever see Jordan fouled out in a decisive game? Why (mentally) substracting him from the team. Apart from that did they have three of the best defenders in their respective positions. Jordan, Pippen and Grant were beasts and I cannot see that defense on the Lakers team.
omnivorous65 11 months ago
@omnivorous65 I don't remember him ever fouling out in a big game. The only way to take him out would be an injury. He broke his foot and was out quite awhile. And yea, Pippen and Jordan got something like 10 or more all defensive team awards each (I don't know the exact number), and their defense is often over looked. Grant was a great defender too and so was Rodman later on when they picked him up. The Lakers had Cooper and AC Green for defense, and they were good.
isaachaze1 11 months ago
nothing in the 90s to today could stop showtime .....understand?
nothing
imamfollower 11 months ago
wow its just unreal that they already called him the greatest ever before his career was half over... in what other sport has anyone ever done that? ZERO. To me, the respect that so many great players gave Michael before his career was half over speaks volumes to how good he really was. Incredible.
paint1487 11 months ago
He's not only the Best NBA player ever, He is the Best Sports Athlete EVER. No one has ever dominated a sport for a decade like Michael did. I don't care what sport you look at, no other athlete has been known through the whole world like MJ was. Especially in a league with that much talent at the time, the 90's were stacked with talent on every team.
raulrln77 11 months ago 95
@raulrln77 Ali was pretty good.
mutantkn1ght 11 months ago
@raulrln77 Actually it's reversed. It's gotten harder over the years. This is the hardest decade to compete
Synicaalescape 11 months ago
@Synicaalescape I have to disagree. During these guys' era the All Star game had better defense than the regular games now. Unfortunately, MJ was so exciting that the league wanted more players like him and the only way they could do that was to make the rules more favorable to the offensive player, especially perimeter players. What wasn't a foul in that era is a foul in this era, and what was a foul in that era is often considered a flagrant today.
tyenolam 10 months ago
That is all true. The NBA has gotten waterd down in the past decade. I think it's all on David Stern, he is trying to make a 'perfect' image of the NBA, where players act like robots with no emotion,and can't question the officiating. But let's not assume that today's players couldn't get physical in the more physical era. For example, LeBron. 6'8 250 pounds, had he grown up in the physical era, he'd probably be a aggressive defender. Until that idiot Stern leaves the NBA's doomed
Synicaalescape 10 months ago 35
@Synicaalescape i like the point you make about stern. im curious, where does he rank in tenure among commissioners for the three major sports? i wasn't aware that league commissioner was a lifetime post.lol he got the fighting out of the game. he began a new era for marketing basketball players on par with tennis and baseball in the eighties. he's served his purpose. he's exhausted his vision.
edscottable 6 months ago
@raulrln77 Micheal jordan is the best NBA player ever but there no way his the best sport athlete EVER.......
Muhammad ali Is the best sport athlete that ever lived.
lolyourafag1 10 months ago
@raulrln77 Being "known" is different than dominating. Bo Jackson, Jim Thorpe, Wilt Chamberlain and Jim Brown were all better athletes than Jordan because they dominated multiple sports. Jordan was only great at basketball. And I would argue that Barry Bonds, Wayne Gretsky, Ted Williams, and Babe Ruth dominated their sports as much as Jordan, even though those sports (especially baseball) are harder to dominate.
CyrusTab 10 months ago
@raulrln77 what about brazils pele, argentinas maradona, brazils ronaldo, argentinas messi.... though he hasn't been around ten years although he certainly will be....
michael still a very good candidate for the best of all time in the world in all sports
65c 9 months ago
@raulrln77 hes arguably. not undisputed. wayne gretzky for example.
thesportsdude90 9 months ago
@raulrln77 ever heard of bill russell?
quakov 9 months ago
@quakov He played in a weaker era. He has championship rings but he's nowhere near the best ever. Michael is the best ever. He meant the most to his sport.
JCash1313 9 months ago
@JCash1313 And Michael played in a weaker era than the people in the 80's, what's your point>
CelphProclaimed 8 months ago
@raulrln77 BEST ATHLETE EVER? I want to agree with you there and i respect MJ SO Much but you cant say Best sports athlete, there are so many great athletes, i believe he is the face of Basketball and also can say he IS BasketBall but saying the greatest Athlete is a Basketball players opinion, others would say the same with anyone who has dominated a sport thay have played, Ali for Boxing, Fedor for MMA, Tiger for Golf, Rice For Gridiron, Phelps for Swimming and the list goes on.
SubzeroWeather 9 months ago
@SubzeroWeather Jordan would beat everyone easily if basketball is a one on one game. Instead, his dominance led a team to the success. Not to mention his recognition across the countries. I came from Asia and people in there know Jordan but nobody knows Tiger, Rice or Ali. People in my country started to play basketball because of him. Jordan made basketball famous globally.
cpowerca 8 months ago
@cpowerca Talent =/= legacy.
Phil9019 7 months ago
@raulrln77 i'm pretty sure tiger dominated golf just as much if not more on the pga tour
jamesi34 8 months ago
@raulrln77 Sir Donald Bradman dominated cricket like no other sportsman has dominated a sport.
jimhat21 8 months ago
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Moraud5386 8 months ago
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Moraud5386 8 months ago
@raulrln77 it's true but I don't think he is the only one unless you're talking about basket-ball
There's some legends too which dominated a sport for a decade like MJ did, Michael Schumacher for example (formula 1, 7 times world champion), Tiger Woods (Golf), Roger Federer & Pete Sampras (Tennis), Lance Amstrong, ....
Moraud5386 8 months ago 2
@Moraud5386 undertaker ;) lol JOKE
TCili39 8 months ago
@raulrln77 Gretzky and Babe Ruth. But I do understand what you are saying, and I do agree.
MyPWNisBlocked 8 months ago
@raulrln77 Babe Ruth? From 1920-1929, he hit .355/467/1331 with a 1.228 OPS. He had Seven 40-HR seasons, 4 of which were 50 HR seasons and 1 was a 60 HR season, and this is not on steroids....I would say Babe Ruth is probably the only other guy in any sport to dominate an entire decade like Jordan did in basketball.
vaibanez17 8 months ago
@vaibanez17 Babe Ruth is the biggest athlete ever in history...imagine if he was doing what he did back then today in the media internet age...He would definetly be right there on the same level as Jordan...This guy is like a myth...A legend...Folk Lore or whatever they call that shit...but you get the point...The Babe..The name says it all...Lou was Scottie.
MrSlik25 7 months ago
@MrSlik25 No, cant agree with u @all & i think the bambino was amazing but, not 2 make this a racial thing but there werent even any black players back then! Thats a major asterisk in my book. also, calling a man who would down a bottle of bourbon the nite b4 a game & puffing cigars is hardly athletic.
edupbeat 7 months ago
@edupbeat ok so what you're saying is black athletes are the best athletes of all time? cause that certainly seems to be what you're implying. if that's the case you might want to take a giant step back and rethink your logic there fella.
MrHavaniceday 7 months ago
@MrHavaniceday ummm, comparatively speaking, considering that mostly white, american males where playing the game at the time, i'd say yeah, blacks where superior athletically. simple question, why weren't they allowed to play? & who said anything about "blacks being the best athletes of all time", huh?! stop fox new-sing my words son.
edupbeat 7 months ago