"Sokihei" M.D. Geist - 1986 original - Part 3/5

[anonymusbob101]

Geist is a total friggin badass.

[MDthornton83]

Geist makes the creepiest expressions ever.

[J14ngL00]

Geist reminds me more of Souther from Hokuto no Ken, being an asshole with short blonde hair and all...

[lenardregencia]

0:16 Hokuto Bullet.

[felipalillo]

This guy resembles Duke Nuke..

[VendavalEste]

@felipalillo You mean Duke Nukem resembles Geist, as M.D. Geist came out in 1996 and Duke Nukem first came out in 1991.

[felipalillo]

@VendavalEste Yeah you are right!!....it could be the source of inspiration of Duke Nuke...maybe..

[VendavalEste]

@felipalillo You mean Duke Nukem resembles this guy, as M.D. Geist came out in 1986 and Duke Nukem came out in 1991 I believe.

[hbk1231]

00:11 - 00:19 = The death of tunafish.  Favortie death of the movie dun.

[Loader2K1]

@hbk1231: I never liked that guy, either, although I don't think he deserved to get his head blown right off.

[Heydad956]

1:10 Hello! :D

[Borin81]

heh, kinda dumb to build a doomsday device that will eradicate you along with the enemy.



[mwong666]

why the hell would the machine explode if you stab the pilot in the fucking face?

[VendavalEste]

@mwong666 There was a grenade on the end of the knife.

[Loader2K1]

Animation mistake at 0:21! The bald thug with the bandada has no eyes!

[MDthornton83]

I have a question; what did Geist mean when he said "Krutz, Olvid Folgain Shtrime."? Was there any meaning to what he was saying or was he just having some sort of mental breakdown?

[Loader2K1]

@MDthornton83: According to M.D. Geist: Ground Zero, "Olvid Folgain Shtrime" literally means "guilty as charged." Col. Krutes says that to Geist as he is being court-martialed. In Ground Zero, (SPOILERS) Geist was the sole survivor in a mission in which Krutes's lover and a relative (whom was Geist's CO) got killed. Before dying, Geist's CO ordered Geist not to tell anyone of what they learned, which was a connection between the Nexrum and Earth forces (END SPOILERS).

[Loader2K1]

@Loader2K1:

(Continued)

As I said before, Geist was actually portrayed in a more positive light in Ground Zero. He would not engage in combat with anyone except out of self-defense or unless he was ordered to by a superior, and he obeyed all orders given to him literally. I have no idea if "Olvild Folgain Shtrime" is an actual motto or not, but it doesn't sound Latin. Also, Ground Zero takes place 20 years before the events of M.D. Geist.

[MDthornton83]

In other words, Geist was more mellow, obedient, and controllable in the Ground Zero comics. Wheras in both the first and second epsidoes in the anime, he was driven with an insatiable desire for personal revenge against not only those who banished him, but the entire world as well. I guess banishing him must have drastically altered his persona from an obedient machine, to a completely unstable psychopath.

[Loader2K1]

@MDthornton83: From the looks of it, yes, that's sounds about right. Geist was figuratively a machine like the Terminators in the Terminator universe. Also, in GZ, the MDSes were more or less assassins as well as one-man armies, and were created to work alone to further conceal their identities. In other words, the MDSes were black-ops supersoldiers.

M.D. Geist: Ground Zero was written by Koichi Ohata, Tim Eldred, and John Ott, so I guess it is canon.

[MDthornton83]

I see. So in other words, what Geist said was out of memory based on the events that took place in the Ground Zero comics before he was banished into space. I guess it was also his way of saying: "You and I have unfinished buisness." And not in the civilized way mind you. But more in terms of personal vengeance.

[Loader2K1]

@MDthornton83: That sounds about right. Look at Krutes after Geist says it. He looks very uneasy, if not outright frightened. Krutes's body language basically says "Oh, shit, he remembers me! He remembers what I did to him!"

[MDthornton83]

1:13

Geist: Peekaboo!!! *stab*

[MDthornton83]

You guys won't believe this, but one night I actually had a dream that there was an MD Geist video game! It was a crazy dream, but man it felt SO real! The game in the dream I had was not just based on this OVA or the Ground Zero comics, but it was a whole saga starting from the very beginning of the creation of the MDS project, and then the story went from MD Geist 1 and 2, and onwards! It was only a dream, but it was awesome! Wouldn't that be a fun game to play?

[Loader2K1]

@MDthornton83: Only if it was made in-house by Konami or Capcom.

[MDthornton83]

True. I'm sure either Konami or Capcom would do an awesome job in making a video game of MD Geist. To tell you the truth, I think it'd be a fun game to play depending on how much effort is put into its production.

[VendavalEste]

@MDthornton83 Geist feelsl ike a videogame with how the Final Terminator is an End Boss with three forms.

[MDthornton83]

True that. I noticed that characteristic anywhere. Especially when you count all the different games that concept has been used in. The best example I can think of is the Megaman X games with Sigma's alternate forms. 

[MDthornton83]

Wouldn't it be awesome to have Geist's superhuman talent in warefare?

[Loader2K1]

@MDthornton83: In real life, I bet Geist could find Osama Bin Laden and capture him with his bare hands.

[MDthornton83]

Oh I'm sure Geist would do MORE than just capture Osama Bin Laden. He'd find him, torture him, and most likely execute him in the worst way imaginable.

[VendavalEste]

@MDthornton83 You say that like he'd do it in the name of justice, Geist would probably be pleased to find WMDs, or not, they may make mass-genocide overly simply.

[MDthornton83]

Well of course not. I'm not saying Geist would kill Bin Laden for our sake. But rather for his own amusement since he's a psychopath. As for the WMDs, only God knows what he'd do with those.

[boletusatanicus]

@VendavalEste Geist IS a WMD.

W.M.D. Geist? lol

[CONSTRINGACY]

Man i love the Shinobi three style music!

[komujimaru]

0:26 to 0:31 OMFG THE BEST PART OF THE DAM FILM

[VendavalEste]

You confuse me.

[Loader2K1]

@VendavalEste: I think he trying to say that Geist is so badass for standing on top of a motorcycle moving at 60-plus miles per hour.

[Loader2K1]

@komujimaru: Geist is so badass that he can stand up on motorcycles going at breakneck speeds and not for a second lose his balance.

-1:13 thru 1:23: In my opinion, that is coolest kill in the film. How Geist broke the glass of that mech is beyond me, though.

[airwolfman]

We should head over to imdb and start one of those "what I learned from MD GEIST" threads.

- Even on a far out planet and millenia later, you still find good ol' U.S. STEEL Wrenches! 8:14

- Zooming in makes funny sounds ~8:50. When you feel great, do a mischivious smile!

- 5:48 , it's okay to question your superior officer's opinion with talking.

[Loader2K1]

I think Vaiya's chew-out at the Colonel at 4:23-4:47 is supposed to imply that underneath her scheming persona, she is really a broken woman from all of the devastation. I assume she only allied herself with lowlifes like Golem (and to a questionable extent, Geist, and later, Krauser) out of protection and not exactly love, although she falls in love with Geist until he reveals his true intentions.

[VendavalEste]

I have to agree that even though this isn't a 'deep' OVA (that term is pretentious in itself), there's a few things that hint more about the characters. Vaiya pretty much is a jackal, and in my own re-imagining of the story, I show her to be a little less caring about those around her (especially that Geist is someone who seems like he can get her anywhere), as well as how Golem treats her (just as a hint, not harshly).

[VendavalEste]

I've also thought about her becoming a bit attracted to Geist, past his machismo and strength though, even though Geist is pretty much incapable of expressing any emotions past joy and anger. Though the only way it's really possible is if they fought alongside each other more; in my re-imagining, Geist becomes a temporary member of Golem's gang and later storms a Nexrum base before needing to head to the Brain Palace.

[Loader2K1]

You make me wish Koichi Ohata or some other anime director would remake M.D. Geist the more I talk to you. As for Vaiya being a jackal, I agree. The only emotion she showed when Golem got killed was simply shock from Geist's ownage on him.

If you consider the Director's Cut as canon, you can argue that she was sad to see the remaining members of her former gang abandon her prior to the Brain Palace battle. That look on her face implied she was not totally devoid of emotion.

[VendavalEste]

I just watched Guy: Double Target, people who say M.D. Geist is the worst anime still really need to watch a lot more anime, Guy is something I'd definitely contend for being one of the worst ever, whatever loose thread it had for a plot barely excused anything that was happening. Basically, asshole guy called Guy goes to a prison planet for some reason, women get raped, bitch with hairy armpits rules the planet, Guy becomes mecha Devilman. Trust me, IT'S NOT GOOD.

[VendavalEste]

And yes I do consider the Director's Cut canon, along with Ground Zero of course, that being the only official prequel. Something I did have was how she's sad when her comrades leave, because she's failed to see she's neglected them because she has become too fixated with Geist.

[shadowshinobi06]

In my opinion, I think Vajya was an orphan at her younger age and her family was killed during the war on Jerra(that's how she became a broken woman as you have said) then she was found by Golem and raise her as one of his own gang. Of course that was happened while Geist is cryogenically imprisoned in the satellite for 20 years(as the comic adaptation implied)

[VendavalEste]

The thing that bothers me about the twenty year gap is that Kurtz, from Ground Zero to the events of M.D. Geist, doesn't look like he's aged at all, I would have preferred it if he had darker looking hair in Ground Zero. Also, I like to think about how the technology has developed since Geist has been away. I usually do think of Vaiya having a horrible childhood in which she's had to scavenge and manipulate stronger men in order to survive.

[shadowshinobi06]

Yeah, I agree with you, Kurtz should be look younger in Ground Zero considering it was set 20 years before the OVA, maybe he put himself in a cryogenic sleep to avoid the nuclear holocaust occured in planet Jerra so he didn't get aged in the OVA.

[shadowshinobi06]

it's similar to the game Snatcher by Hideo Kojima where a chemical outbreak occurs resulting a death of millions throught the world and the main character Gillian was put in a cryogenic sleep too avoid it retaining his youthful appearance after he woke up over 20 years later.

[shadowshinobi06]

Eerr I mean fifty years later in Snatcher.

[VendavalEste]

Thanks for the info on Snatcher, I wanna read more on those games. I think the only we can guess is that he did get a bit wrinkled over all those years. It's funny thinking of how much Command must have collapsed over all those years; I imagine Kurtz was cut off from most of his superiors as he was forced to take control of the land-ship Noah with new recruits.

[Loader2K1]

If you want to play Snatcher, then emulation is your friend. =)

As for Jerra's regular army, judging from the deserting soldier at the beginning that ends up unintentionally passing his FightTech armor on to Geist, it was indeed falling apart. The cities of Jerra looked they've been hit with nuclear warheads instead of being damaged from conventional warfare.

[Loader2K1]

(continued)

I also assume the remainder of the regular army was forcefully taken over by M.D. Krauser following Kurtz being killed in action, as he did admit that he had the military leaders that started Jerra's civil war executed.

Shadowshinobi66: Yeah, it would have been nice if there was more backstory on Vaiya. Krauser is kind of mentioned in Ground Zero, but only as data for another MDS. That brings me to my next question: were there more MDSs than just Geist and Krauser?

[VendavalEste]

I like to think that as the war got worse, the MDSes (if there were any subsequent ones) gained a bad reputation because of Geist's misunderstood imprisonment. Krauser, having some power in the military, deemed it that he should be the strongest while the rest should be wiped out, and therefore somewhat forcefully took control of the Regular Army as a man with enough strength to take them all out.

[shadowshinobi06]

I was thinking that there must be an MDS prototype labeled as MD-00, proved to be an inferior one and dies shortly considering it's the earliest MDS ever created leading to the creation of the other two(Krauser and Geist) which is far more superior than their predecessor.

[VendavalEste]

That's an interesting thought.

[Loader2K1]

I was thinking that, too, but Krauser was advertised as being the prototype MDS, and I think he really was a prototype considering the medical treatment he had to endure. Also, Dr. Breston said that cellular regeneration was not enough to keep bio-clones alive, but Geist was a different type of bio-clone because his cells grew and evolved with every battle he gets into.

[VendavalEste]

That's a cool idea, I've never thought about that. It's nice to see other people who think about Geist rather just pass it off as a bad anime.

[VendavalEste]

You know I've just thought about something; are "Geist" and "Krauser" codenames?

[Loader2K1]

I assume those are the only names they ever had. "Geist" works because he can take his enemies so fast that they never see him coming, like a ghost, hence the name. As for "Krauser", I assume its just a World War II reference.

[VendavalEste]

Yeah, I've always loved the connotations of Geist's name; anyone on the battlefield with him pretty much becomes a ghost, or perhaps he's some haunting soldier. I've not been able to find much on Krauser and his name, except it just sounds Germanic and powerful.

[shadowshinobi06]

The thing that comes to my mind of the name Krauser was a character from Fatal Fury^^

[MDthornton83]

Come to think of it, I always found myself asking that question as well. We can only assume however, that all the other MDS units who came after Krauser and Geist must have been executed as a result of their mentally unstable condition. Or it's possible that there must have been a few surviving MDSs taking refuge somewhere in the desolate planet. In fact, I've always fantasized who the third MDS could have been if there was a third episode.

[VendavalEste]

Judging from the Ground Zero comics, Geist and Krauser were the only ones ever produced, the project was halted when Geist was imprisoned. We can assume the Krutes was demonizing Geist to stop his men from glorifying him.

[MDthornton83]

Hmm. That's odd. Cuz I once heard from somewhere that there were others, but they all went insane and were executed as a result. Though I could be 100% wrong. But I like to imagine who else could have existed besides Geist and Krauser if such was the case.