There can be no common ground. Abortion needs to stop and it needs to stop right NOW! Anyone who preforms an abortion needs to be sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. Women who seek abortions need to be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison as well. Jesus save the little children and stop the demons from influencing mothers to kill their babies. Mothers love your children and you will be loved in return. AMEN
Its a complex subject,and answer it wrong and there goes a vote.I like the way RonPaul calls it,he's very straight forward on most all issues,although i still believe a rape victim shouldn't have to bring that baby in,but again its not the babies fault,so you punish the baby,but if they have the baby and dont want to love it,the baby is punished anyways and has to live with that its whole life....tough question to ask a person on camera.
how can hillary even run again? she already had her 8 years in office!! she really wasnt that bad of a president, her and donald rumsfeld was actually both good presidents.
you reall need to wear your waders to go to a liberal lecture, the bs gets deep. i think she mentioned church, when is the last time she went to church?
@HPfan75 A-fucking-men. There was a survey of evangelicals that said they found abortion to be a more important issue than genocide. How fucking deranged are these people?
@BurtWilson1 that is funny considering that how many women conceive every time they have sex but the egg doesn't attach and it comes out with their period. Does that make a woman a mass murderer for menstruating? every sexually active woman has a natural abortion during her period. So, unless you want to try to convince everyone in the world to stop having sex, you really have no argument. nice try though.
Listen people, if you wanna talk about abortion, leave your religion out of it. If it is so bad, and so immoral, why don't you say something that Jesus didn't! Quoting scripture doesn't support your statement. Its about your opinion. not God's opinion. Not the opinion that some preacher has brainwashed into your head. pro choice doesn't mean you support abortion. it means you support women's rights. and you can still be a Christian and believe that.
hum! becuase man's oppinion has failed time and time and time and time ................................ we need to trust in our creator who has never failed!
@miggie777 Really? because this "creator" is the one who designed us to question and think for ourselves. That's why God gave us free will. And just so you know, there is a reason this country isn't based off a religion. Because religion is corrupted, and religious people must insist their religion is the right one. And we are all at each other's throats about something we don't see or even know is real. So it only makes sense to keep religion out of politics.
For it was you who formed my inward parts; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; that I know very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes beheld my unformed substance. Please read Psalm 139 v 1 - 24
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If a fetus is alive, then that makes SPERM a living being (which in a sence, it is a living organism."
Next time you masturbate, think twise before you bust a nut because you are killing 1 million sperm everytime you masturbate, which are "living organisms" that all have the potential to bring forth the birth of a new chil into the world.
Think about it that way. if ur anti abortion, then ur gonna have to be anti masturbation....good luck.
@Sueezee1 NO, I said that 50 million women who abort should be considered criminals. It IS murder... I'm sorry I have no sympathy for women who feel sad because they cannot murder their babies. There's no lying there just plain facts.
@monstahhh12 says: NO, I said that 50 million women who abort should be considered criminals. It IS murder..
~~~~~~~~~ Youre a god damned LIAR.. you NEVER said 50 million should be considered criminals, and in saying "they SHOULD" be in prison" means they ARENT, so it ISNT murder. You admitted it isnt murder in the same ignorant breath you say it is. Doont try to fast talk me, youre not smart enough,
Seriously how the HELL do the babies die then, just natural causes? No, sweetie.. they get killed and why? cause their parents are too lazy to carry a baby, not enough money, not using contraceptives.. That's still NOT A GOD DAMNED EXCUSE FOR MURDER. Don't you try to fast talk me.
@monstahhh12 says: so it isnt murder, Seriously how the HELL do the babies die then?
~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, OMG..you think anything that is killed is murder, dont you? God love the village idiot. Stay stupid...the better for pro choice!! LMAO!!
@Sueezee1 Ok, if I were to give you all my reasons as to why abortion is wrong i'd be here for a year.. but I don't want to waste my time with an idiot like you so go ahead and believe what you want. 50 million women are not in jail because A) Some had a health condition and NEEDED to kill the baby, B) Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder, that doesn't mean it isn't killing. Lastly, anything that is killed IS murdered. Ur arguments are pathetic now stop arguing with everyone.
@monstahhh12 says: anything that is killed IS murdered.
~~~~~~~~~~ Hahhaah, you just keep thinking that way sweetheart...thats exactly how smart we want you to be....Knwoledge is power and we know you have none of either, and thats how we like it.
@monstahhh12 says; Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha NONE are considered murder thats why not one of the 50 million is in prison. God, aren t you embarrassed at your ignorance? I love that you people have no pride in yourlsef and the things you say.lol
~~~~~~~~~ Sure, they are thats why they won the right to LEGAL abortion and your intelligent (LMAO) arguments cant do squat!! Keep up the good work. God i love dumb people.
@monstahhh12 says: Ok, if I were to give you all my reasons as to why abortion is wrong i'd be here for a year.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What you MEAN to say is, you'd be here a year if you gave all the reasons its wrong to YOU! Stop thinkin g that YOUR ideas of whats right and/or wrong are how the entire world should see it, and no one cares hwo YOU see it..
@monstahhh12 says gave al the reasons why abortion is wrong Id be here a year
~~~~~~~~~~~~ You MEAN, if you gave all the reasins that YOU though it was worng youd be here for a year. Youre NOT the judge of whats right and /or worng for the people of the world.
@monstahhh12 says i dont want to waste my time on idiots like you
~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why did you respond to me(LOLOL), and dont be mad because this "idiot" is right and her ideas of abortion mesh with the laws that make it legal and you have NOTHING to change that. Ya, whose the idiot here? LOL
@monstahhh12 says: Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder, that doesn't mean it isn't killing. Lastly, anything that is killed IS murdered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah... you JUST said abortion IS NOT murder, its a killing, THEN your dumbass says all killings are murder.. Youre a fruitcake, and Im LMFAO!!!
Actually love, in order to determine if it is murder or not, you must determine when life STARTS. is it at conception, is it when the heart beats on its own? is it when brain waves can be measured? is it when the nervous system connects to the brain? is it at week 10, 16 or 28? is it at birth? Everyone will have a different representation. So therefore, you cannot determine whether abortion is murder or not. Just saying. Think before you speak.
@monstahhh12 says: That's still NOT A GOD DAMNED EXCUSE FOR MURDER.
~!~~~~~~~~~~~~ We dont need e xcuses..its LEGAL.. no reasons, excuses, or justification necessary. Hahah, got anything that will work for you dumbass?? Didnt think you did..lol
@monstahhh12 Come on chilcken shit , answer the question... If abortion is murder why arent 50 million women in prison for the crime?? Go head...i need a laugh!!
@monstahhh12 says: I'm sorry I have no sympathy for women who feel sad because they cannot murder their babies
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahah ANY...that is ANY women can murder her baby if she choose to and theres not a damned thing you can do about it..... Whats the matter creep, did I GET you? LMFAO!!
@monstahhh12 says: There's no lying there just plain facts.
~~~~~~~~~~ Yep, and pro CHOICE has all the facts...thats why abortion is LEGAL, and you dont have squat, thats why you cant make it illegal.. Sorry you failed sweetie...lol
If your a confused communist female or one of their chickeshit boyfreinds that believe common ground can be found, when a modern day tramps get knocked up and then wants to kill the little people, because of her hairbrained attempt at thought and poor decisions, you are mistaken.
This time period will go down in history as a new dark age, barbaristic females everywhere exterminating their own because of a perceived career. Who let these simple minded idiots vote?
@biscottibob a) you sound like a dumbass american, just interchanging the words socialism, communism, nazism etc. for things that you dislike, and you sound more like a person in favor of a dicatorship trying to control who can vote.
@biscottibob I'm actually more concerned about morons such as yourself being able to vote than any of those 'communist, barbaristic (which isn't even a fucking word, just fyi) females'.
What about those that are unfortunate enough to get raped and end up pregnant? Or an accidental pregnancy in their mid-teens? I really don't think children should have to bear children, or rape victims bring the unwanted children of their assailants into the world.
abortion is not as terribly high as prolife want us to believe. there are over 300.000 million americans and a very large part of that consist of women. just over 1 million abortions are performed a year. thats not so bad..i mean we would like it to go down though. the answer is focusing on preventive measures.
Breast cancer rates are highest in countries with the highest induced abortion rates. Breast cancer was infrequent before Roe vs Wade legalized abortion nationwide. Currently, there are about 1.2 million abortions in the U.S per year. By age 45, 42% of American women have had an abortion. Since Roe vs Wade in 1973, breast cancer rates in the U.S. have increased about 40%. Induced abortion cause biological changes to occur in breasts which make women more susceptible to breast cancer.
There is research linking abortion to breast cancer. For more info, type this into your Google search engine:
1) Coalition on abortion breast cancer
2) Abortion breast cancer
These two above will lead you to websites that discuss in detail the link between having an abortion & the abortion increasing the risk of breast cancer. It seems The National Cancer Institute & American Cancer Society try to discredit the research as the abortion industry is a powerful $500-$800 million a yr business.
In 2003, the National Cancer Institute held a workshop that concluded having an abortion does not increase risk of breast cancer. Here is what the National Cancer Institute (NCI) doesn't tell you: Planned Parenthood (USA's largest abortion provider) has been reported to donate millions of dollars to NCI. Therefore, NCI relies on abortion money to fund their research & thus an incentive for bias research exists. It is believed salaries of cancer researchers come from abortion money
More about the National Cancer Institute's (NCI) conference that concluded no link between abortion & breast cancer. Dr. L. Brinton, a leading NCI researcher, neglected to tell you the following on the NCI website: Scientists who did indeed find links between abortion & elevated risk of breast cancer were deliberately not allowed to present their data & research at the 2003 conference. Only doctors who found no link between abortion & breast cancer were allowed to present their papers
What do you mean by logical fallacy, can you explain this so I can understand? What doesn't make sense? Both you and me once where a conceived cell and if someone aborted you, you would not have the chance to become who you are now. The conceived cell does not have the capacity to become a human being, a sperm and an egg cell have the capacity. The conceived cell is already at work in becoming a fully developed human being.
I know biology very well and you don't read what I write properlly. A sperm and egg cell have the capacity to create a human being. When they combine this is no longer capacity, but already the actuall process of creating a human being takes place. Words or terms do not create facts by themselves. No matter how you put it in words the earth orbits the Sun and that is a fact. The same applies for abortion, because the moment you create a conceived cell, the process begins...
...Every single human being that has been conceived had the same beginning, this means that the life of every individual human being begins with the moment of conception. What part of logic in this you regard as logical fallacy? Do you think that just because an embryo has not formed a heart it is not human? Give it time and it will develop a heart, however if you destroy that embryo you destroy the chance for that embryo to become a fully developed human being...
...hence it does not matter at what stage of development you destroy the developing human being, because every single part of development is essential for the development of the full human body. ESSENTIAL is the keyword not OPTIONAL. It is essential for every human being to become a conceived cell before that human being has even the slightest chance of becoming an adult human being that you regard as human. You either lack knowledge or lack understanding of knowledge you have.
If truly a human beings life does not start with the moment of conception and if the conceived cell is not a human being THEN PROVE TO ME BY CREATING A HUMAN BEING WITHOUT FIRST CREATING A COCEIVED CELL. However before you get to doing that, try atleast solving the HIV puzzle.
Why is killing wrong? Well to a serial killer must be right, otherwise the killer would not kill. If killing is right then let us kill everyone on this planet and do the right thing. To think about it, it wouldn't be such a bad idea, afterall people hurt each other all over the world, so we might as well end our miseries, however there are people that love each other and if you kill them, they cannot love each other anymore in this state. If killing is right,then why don'tuwant2die?
Imagine multiple universes. There are 36 universes and in each one you have the same woman and the time flows the same in each one. This woman becomes pregnant in each universe.As TIME goes by in universe 1 you abort the pregnancy of the woman after 1 week, then after 2 weeks you abort the pregnancy of the woman in universe 2 and you keep doing that every week for next universes untill you are left with universe 36 and the woman gives birth to a baby. Open your eyes.
Don't you understand that that is how human are formed? It is a process and that is how it works. It is not a matter of how developed the human is, the human is already developing and at any moment you interfere with that development you give NO CHANCE for that human to completly develop, therefore you take the life of that human being, before it could fully develop. If you think killing is not wrong, then as a killer to kill you, otherwise you have answered ur question urself.
Let's get this clear. Some power created the galaxy, with the solar system and earth with life on it. Some power created the human and it is not possible to have happened by chance, because to create something so complicated as a human being requiers knowledge and someone or something whom can use this knowledge to create a human being. If you think that is not true, then all the creations of man happened to be created by chance. By chance the computer was created, right?
Everything in nature must obey a specific law in order for nature as a whole to function properly. When the engine of the car breaks down, then the car won't function properly and if all the atoms in the universe rebelled and decided to fall apart, we would all fall apart. If foundamental particles need to obey a law, then on the human level does not the human requier a law in order for humans to function preoperly as one family, society?
If killing would be right, then if everyone would decide to be a killer, we would all kill each other and no one will be left to argument. There is good and evil, why? Because the most basic commuincation is 0 and 1, it is the nature of things. We are just humans on a planet, but the universe is much more than just our lives on this planet, their is a Higher Reason and the Reason decided for us to be. We should realise how humble our position is, we are like ants.
As for abortion, the fact it forms a certain way doesn't mean its wrong to interrupt the process? Well if you think killing is good, then you are right. The reason why by interrupting the process you kill the human being is that if you do not interrupt the process a human being will form and be born as a baby. It is about TIME, the conceived cell within the womb of the mother can only form a human being, unless it is interrupted. You kill the human being b4 it had the chance2form.
As for abortion, there is no difference between killing a 23 year old man or 88 year old woman or a 2 year old baby or a 4 week old embryo, because all human beings that have existed and still exist had to be all those things and in order to be for example 99 years old, however not everyone lived to that age and not everyone survived to be even born, for reasons such as miscarrage or abortion...
Fake logic? I base my understanding on understanding biology very well and this is not fake logic, this is Actual Logic. Without this logic no human being would be able to develop into a child, because without a conceived cell no child has ever been created. The reason I write "2+2=4" and then "3*4/2-2=4" and so on, so that you can understand the answer does not change no matter what the equation. Conceived cell+womb=baby ... No conceived cell + womb = no baby....
You said it yourself "just because it is the first step to life". Well life began long time ago, but the life of an individual human being begins with the moment of conception.And you say that just because the life of a human being begins with the moment of conception doesn't mean killing it is wrong? When you destroy it, then it cannot form a human body it is designed to form. The moment of conception the reaction has started and there is no turning back...
I promise you that eventually you will come to understanding this, just as the people of the past came to understanding that it is not the sun that orbits the earth, but the earth orbits the sun and if you tried to say it is the otehr way you might even lost your life. I have not invented this knowledge, we only discovered it and through this knowledge we can understand better ourselves and that what surounds us. Truly man is stupid, to think to be the only inteligent being.
When I speak of the conceived cell being an essential part of a human life, I do not speak of belief, but of a fact of human life. The moment you create a conceived cell you create the foundation upon which you create the whole human organism. You may say that this foundation is not yet a human being, but it is. Why? Because from this conceived cell you create the whole human body. In fact it is the earliest stage of an individual human being's life and every living cell is ALIVE.
@856893tfr Killing is wrong because as human beings we are blessed with the ability to empathize, and so can understand how it will affect other people, and willingly making someone feel that way is wrong. You're wrong in your 'seed' argument, that's justification for masturbation, not abortion.
@856893tfr However, you’ve changed your seed example from the comment I replied to. The last message made no mention of pollination, germination, or anything else, it was simply a seed. The correlation between seeds and sperm is that they are one component of several things required to create life. Alone they are useless, when combined with its ‘mate’ life begins. With pregnancy this is when the sperm fertilizes the egg, the two separate sexual cells have combined to make an individual.
@856893tfr Arguments are usually nothing but emotionally fueled, but this is a debate, and I am not using emotional arguments to make a point, the emotions caused by the killing ARE the point that makes it wrong! :)
@856893tfr There is no contradiction, the argument is not being presented as a result of my emotions, it is based in the reality of other people's emotions towards it. If one person finds something to be wrong, it is at least wrong to them, and so is wrong, understand? The objective way of verifying it is wrong is to look at the effect it would have on society if everyone killed, society would not exist for long, and since we want it to, killing is logically wrong! :)
@856893tfr One person having strong emotions on it makes it wrong to one person, and so wrong on at least some level. The point is not IF society did not exist, it's that we don't want to get to that stage, and since killing would take us to it, it's wrong.
@856893tfr If we're talking about the reason for abortion being wrong, it's that if a woman consents to sex without consenting to having any children she creates, she is getting sexual pleasure from something that will make her possibly have to kill her child, and that's not what being human is all about. It is also the case in the eyes of the law that the fetus is as important as any other life, evidence of which you'll find in cases where pregnant women have been murdered.
whatever mate, im going off to bed now. i am sick of the abortion argumentation, its just boring. we could just end up going in circles and not going anywhere, so whatever. i thank you though for making me think and for a clean conversation though
@856893tfr I'm afraid it was you that went up and down, round in circles. I personally went forward, as per my logically reasoned opinion allows. Your welcome for the 'clean' conversation, though I'm confused as to why you deleted all of your previous messages from it?
i deleted my messages because im tired of all the abortion arguments. so i dont want no one commenting back anymore on abortion. ill reargue abortion one day when im not tired. and im afraid you were going in circles too, otherwise, youd have changed my opinion on abortion. but till then im not arguing abortion. i think we shall talk again friend. safe life and safe travels mate.
@856893tfr There's a difference between going in circles and having to repeat aspects of an argument which you didn't understand, and clearly still don't. I'll be happy to discuss it again with you anytime! Bye.
@856893tfrz If we're talking about killing in general, the fact that society would end if everyone killed makes killing wrong. We cannot survive if everyone kills, so it cannot be right for anyone to do.
.... as for why killing of a human being is wrong. Now I can answer your question and it requiers the proof you requested. The Inteligent Force that used the powerful tools of nature, created everything from stars to galaxies and solar systems and planets ans so on. The Inteligent Force has also created life on earth using forces of nature as tools, therefore we have life given by the Inteligent Force and nobody has the right to destroy that life except the Creator Himself...
It is essential to create a conceived cell in order to create a human being. Now if this doesn't prove that its wrong to abort, then it means it proves that abortion is right? The fruit of pregnancy is the life of a new human being, the fruit of abortion is no human being. You write does the cell look human? Have you seem some babies born after the Chernobyl disaster, where the nuclear power station had a melt down? I tell you truly they don't look much human, without limbs&deformed
The moment an acorn seed starts the process of development it already is becoming a tree. You think you can interfere with the process of human development and get away with the argument that it is not human? How can it become a fully developed human being if you do not give it the chance to do so? If abortion was not murder, then even a pregnant woman after an abortion would still eventually give birth, unless a miscarriage took place. Miscarrige kills the human&so does abortion
Something that is not human on the first place can never become a human being. The sperm cell and egg cell when seperate are only two parts of the full genetic code for making a human being. When they unite the identity of an individual human being is determined and all the information to create that individual is within that one single conceived cell. Remember all the cells that make up the adult human body come from that ONE CONCEIVED CELL. You destroy that cell, you destroy the whole body.
In that case the goverment should not have a say when criminals commit crimes. Ley the serial killers kill? There is not many reasons why abortion is wrong. There is only one reason and that is that abortion is the murder of a human being. From the moment of conception a new human being is formed, because YOUR body began to form in the moment of conception and this is A BIOLOGICAL FACT and nothing can change it no matter how much you want to and neither can I. It's justhewayitis
And what can stop the conceived cell from growing into a "real" baby?
How is a cell or a bunch of still developing groups of cells a human? This is how: Unless you FIRST become a conceived cell you have NO CHANCE of becoming a human being on the FIST PLACE. During the pregnancy the human body is created and your body to be created needed to first become a conceived cell then you became an embryo, fetus and baby. If at any stage you was aborted you would not have the chance2readthis
Friend I do not dictate how a human being is to be formed, nature dictates the rules, we either accept them or not. You think you can destroy a conceived cell, because it is not a fully developed human being? Well if you destroy the conceived cell it will NEVER become a fully developed human being and that is the point I am making. It is not an option for a new human being to start its development at the moment of conception, it is ESSENTIAL...
why does it matter if i wouldn't get the "chance2readthis"? Because if someone decided to abort you, you would not have a chance to become a fully developed human being. I say abortion is murder of a human being, meaning that when you abort you destroy a human being. If abortion does not kill a human being then order to do abortions to every woman that becomes pregnant. Do so for atleast 150 years and in that time the human race will become EXTINCT.
The choice a pregnant woman makes whether to keep her baby or not is a choice of life and death. Yes it is a woman's choice, just be 100% aware what the choice involves. You cannot cover the fact with opinions, because a fact remains a fact no matter what circumstances.
A pregnant woman carries a human being within her womb, otherwise to abort a 2 week old embryo of a mother that wants to keep her embryo would be murder or not of her future child? Just because you want or not want to keep the pregnancy does not change the fact that a pregnancy is a state in which a woman's body has a developing human being with her.
but i ask you, is it really their choice? it's a human life! who didn't even have the chance to chose right from wrong, think about this, what if your mother wanted to have an abortion, while she was pregnet with you?
every idiot that thinks abortion is ok can kiss my ass... wtf is wrong wit dis world u dnt wanna get pregnant CLOSE UR GOD DAM LEGS HOES!...then u guys wouldnt be worried about pregnancy!!
Shit like this is what I hate about politics, people act like abortion is illegal and aren't there more important issues to be talking about??, personally, I don't agree with abortion but I feel women should have the right to have one if they wish, it's there fucking body and worrying about what women do with their bodies is a complete time waster, focus on the real problems we are dealing with right now America!!!!
@ryan9942 im a human your a human a babys a human god lives in allllllllllll animals insects bugs everyone thats why eating meatt is wrongg god gave us vegetables and fruitss to eat those are natural SEE THE THING IS PEOPLE DONT WANT TO DO RIGHTOUSNESS PEOPLE WANT TO HURT OTHERS DO BAD TO OTHERS SEE THATS WHY THOSE PEOPLE ARE SO SAD AND MISERABLE BELIEVE ME OR NOT REMEMBER I AM TELLING THE TRUTH GOD BLESS MOSIEFOOL
@ryan9942 ryan my friend you can believe me or not BUT I AM TELLING THE TRUTH I AM TELLING THE TRUTH THE CHOICE IS YOURSS TO MAKEEE ? PEACE MY FRIEND THANKS FOR WRITEING GOD BLESS ALL INSECTS ANIMALS BUGS THATS WHY EATING MEAT IS WRONGG GOD GAVE US VEGETABLES AND FRUITS TO EAT THOSE ARE NATURAL GOD BLESS EVERYONEE GOD BLESS YOU THE CHOICE IS YOURSS TO MAKE PEACE AMEN AND AMEN PEACEE MOSIEEFOOL
Wow there are more important issues then this lmao! Wow this shouldn't even be an issue! Do you women want to lose your control over your bodies? Do you want your right to make a choice over your body and reproductive system taken away? I want only women to answer this because we men don't go through pregnancy so I want to hear from the women.
Ah, the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent and marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.
Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again. Different Rhetoric, Different Demographic. History Repeats itself, New Slogans & the Same old outcome, a high body count.
abortion should be a right tbh. what if someone got raped and pregnant? if someone doesn't want a child, that child could be unloved by the parent... why would anyone want that for a child?
Kug: that child could be unloved by the parent... why would anyone want that for a child? Because they dont care about the kids. They have an unnatrual and obsessive attraction to the unborn ONLY. By the way, you're much too smart for these people!
@Kuggar if the parent doesn't want to love the child there can be someone else willing to love the child, not all just have to be dumped into foster care, the birth parents have every right who they want to give their child to in order to raise for a proper upbringing, not all are able to concieve and would give their right arm to have a child, give the child as a gift.
@PrincessofCheap okay if someone else will love the child then tell them to go have one of their own and mind their business! I'm 4 abortion because off the BS that I went through and I would never let my son or my daughter go through what I did and if an abortion will prevent that then good! Have you ever been in a foster home? Do you know what it's like to go through that? If not then stfu!
@mrwhydontyouandi FYI, YES I do know what it is like to be born of a mother that doesn't want you, i'm that child, the best thing my bio-mother did for me was throw me away, and now I have a mother who loves me more than anything and pushed me through school and finnished at the top so, NO I WILL NOT STFU!
Any way of reducing (or at least slowing the rate of increase of) our population is a good thing surely. 115000 births are prevented every day through abortion. Good.
@sfurner I'm sorry, but I just don't see how dismembering and crushing a baby using tongs and/or sucking it out piece by piece from a womb using a vacuum and then tossing the remains into a dumpster can be considered a "good thing".
@sfurner im a human your a human a babays a human you were once a babay if someone said to your mother have a abortain it well keep the population less you have to think just think god lives in all insects animals bugs everyone thats why eating meatt is wronng truly i say to you believe me or not im telling the TRUTH THINK GOD BLESS YOU MOSIEFFOL PEACE AMEN AND AMENN
@mosiefool Either you're on drugs, or you're just a moron, because a lot of what you said didn't really make sense, and there're more spelling mistakes than there are abortions.
"...thats why eating meatt is wronng"
Wow, you came to that conclusion pretty quickly.
How about validating this statement first, before jumping to (wrong) conclusions: "...god lives in all..."
God? What's that?
I'm still trying very hard to understand what you even said, but to no avail.
There can be no common ground. Abortion needs to stop and it needs to stop right NOW! Anyone who preforms an abortion needs to be sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. Women who seek abortions need to be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison as well. Jesus save the little children and stop the demons from influencing mothers to kill their babies. Mothers love your children and you will be loved in return. AMEN
onemansrage 1 month ago
@HPfan75 so because the fetus/baby, whatever u wanna call it, has no exited the vagina it therefore does not have a 'life'?
smartspick 2 months ago
Its a complex subject,and answer it wrong and there goes a vote.I like the way RonPaul calls it,he's very straight forward on most all issues,although i still believe a rape victim shouldn't have to bring that baby in,but again its not the babies fault,so you punish the baby,but if they have the baby and dont want to love it,the baby is punished anyways and has to live with that its whole life....tough question to ask a person on camera.
VoiceInBlackness 5 months ago
how can hillary even run again? she already had her 8 years in office!! she really wasnt that bad of a president, her and donald rumsfeld was actually both good presidents.
1hogfan83 7 months ago
you reall need to wear your waders to go to a liberal lecture, the bs gets deep. i think she mentioned church, when is the last time she went to church?
1hogfan83 7 months ago
@HPfan75 A-fucking-men. There was a survey of evangelicals that said they found abortion to be a more important issue than genocide. How fucking deranged are these people?
gingerbreadcorpses 7 months ago
It seems like Hillary is honestly the best politician anyway. I adore her as a candidate for president, and I hope she wins it eventually.
CrimsonDaffodils 7 months ago
obama is a great dancer, he dances around this topic like no other. he literaly says "lets move on to more important issues."
1hogfan83 9 months ago
@BurtWilson1 that is funny considering that how many women conceive every time they have sex but the egg doesn't attach and it comes out with their period. Does that make a woman a mass murderer for menstruating? every sexually active woman has a natural abortion during her period. So, unless you want to try to convince everyone in the world to stop having sex, you really have no argument. nice try though.
MrsMadison4ever 10 months ago
Listen people, if you wanna talk about abortion, leave your religion out of it. If it is so bad, and so immoral, why don't you say something that Jesus didn't! Quoting scripture doesn't support your statement. Its about your opinion. not God's opinion. Not the opinion that some preacher has brainwashed into your head. pro choice doesn't mean you support abortion. it means you support women's rights. and you can still be a Christian and believe that.
MrsMadison4ever 10 months ago
hum! becuase man's oppinion has failed time and time and time and time ................................ we need to trust in our creator who has never failed!
miggie777 10 months ago
@miggie777 Really? because this "creator" is the one who designed us to question and think for ourselves. That's why God gave us free will. And just so you know, there is a reason this country isn't based off a religion. Because religion is corrupted, and religious people must insist their religion is the right one. And we are all at each other's throats about something we don't see or even know is real. So it only makes sense to keep religion out of politics.
MrsMadison4ever 10 months ago
@miggie777 says: we need to trust in our creator who has never failed!
~~~~~~~~~~ tell that to the suffering, dying kids in Africa ( & everywhere else)
Sueezee1 10 months ago
I like Hilary alot prefer Bill though.
MrsChooseChoice 10 months ago
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For it was you who formed my inward parts; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; that I know very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes beheld my unformed substance. Please read Psalm 139 v 1 - 24
cathiejjj 11 months ago
It is not complicated. It is a simple NO.
The common ground is the opportunity for kill.
Let us get this evil woman out from the office..
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hfj222fdf 1 year ago
If an embryo counts as a baby, then what's to say that a sperm cell isn't a baby too...
Also, the world's full of people already, at least abortion's slowing down over-population
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think about this then...everyone.
If a fetus is alive, then that makes SPERM a living being (which in a sence, it is a living organism."
Next time you masturbate, think twise before you bust a nut because you are killing 1 million sperm everytime you masturbate, which are "living organisms" that all have the potential to bring forth the birth of a new chil into the world.
Think about it that way. if ur anti abortion, then ur gonna have to be anti masturbation....good luck.
JusticeRetroHunter 1 year ago 3
to those saying abortion is wrong you are hypocrites, before you reply to this think why i am calling you this.
masterhackerV 1 year ago
it is a child not a choice period end of discussion
jerry18291 1 year ago
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@jerry18291 says: t is a child not a choice
~~~~~~~~~~ Not a choice? Geeeeeez, another probirther who slept through R v W and never read a paper, or saw the news.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
she is such a bullshittin satanic liar and a pro abortion activist. there is no common ground - abortion is murder.
lanainfla 1 year ago
@lanainfla says: abortion is murder.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre a probirth LIAR. if its murder, why arent 50 million women in prison for the crime?
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 Well they should be.
monstahhh12 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 says well they should be
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LOl, you just admitted you ARE a liar and that abortion ISNT murder. Too bad pro birthers are UNABLE to tell the truth.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 NO, I said that 50 million women who abort should be considered criminals. It IS murder... I'm sorry I have no sympathy for women who feel sad because they cannot murder their babies. There's no lying there just plain facts.
monstahhh12 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: NO, I said that 50 million women who abort should be considered criminals. It IS murder..
~~~~~~~~~ Youre a god damned LIAR.. you NEVER said 50 million should be considered criminals, and in saying "they SHOULD" be in prison" means they ARENT, so it ISNT murder. You admitted it isnt murder in the same ignorant breath you say it is. Doont try to fast talk me, youre not smart enough,
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee so it ISNT murder...
Seriously how the HELL do the babies die then, just natural causes? No, sweetie.. they get killed and why? cause their parents are too lazy to carry a baby, not enough money, not using contraceptives.. That's still NOT A GOD DAMNED EXCUSE FOR MURDER. Don't you try to fast talk me.
monstahhh12 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: so it isnt murder, Seriously how the HELL do the babies die then?
~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, OMG..you think anything that is killed is murder, dont you? God love the village idiot. Stay stupid...the better for pro choice!! LMAO!!
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 Ok, if I were to give you all my reasons as to why abortion is wrong i'd be here for a year.. but I don't want to waste my time with an idiot like you so go ahead and believe what you want. 50 million women are not in jail because A) Some had a health condition and NEEDED to kill the baby, B) Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder, that doesn't mean it isn't killing. Lastly, anything that is killed IS murdered. Ur arguments are pathetic now stop arguing with everyone.
monstahhh12 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: anything that is killed IS murdered.
~~~~~~~~~~ Hahhaah, you just keep thinking that way sweetheart...thats exactly how smart we want you to be....Knwoledge is power and we know you have none of either, and thats how we like it.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says; Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha NONE are considered murder thats why not one of the 50 million is in prison. God, aren t you embarrassed at your ignorance? I love that you people have no pride in yourlsef and the things you say.lol
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says; Lastly, anything that is killed IS murdered
~~~~~~~~~~~ Of course it is, you little genius, you!!! I murdered my weeds and a cockroach this weekend..lolol..
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: Ur arguments are pathetic
~~~~~~~~~ Sure, they are thats why they won the right to LEGAL abortion and your intelligent (LMAO) arguments cant do squat!! Keep up the good work. God i love dumb people.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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@monstahhh12 says: Ok, if I were to give you all my reasons as to why abortion is wrong i'd be here for a year.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What you MEAN to say is, you'd be here a year if you gave all the reasons its wrong to YOU! Stop thinkin g that YOUR ideas of whats right and/or wrong are how the entire world should see it, and no one cares hwo YOU see it..
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says gave al the reasons why abortion is wrong Id be here a year
~~~~~~~~~~~~ You MEAN, if you gave all the reasins that YOU though it was worng youd be here for a year. Youre NOT the judge of whats right and /or worng for the people of the world.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says i dont want to waste my time on idiots like you
~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why did you respond to me(LOLOL), and dont be mad because this "idiot" is right and her ideas of abortion mesh with the laws that make it legal and you have NOTHING to change that. Ya, whose the idiot here? LOL
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@monstahhh12 says: Just cause abortion is not LEGALLY considered murder, that doesn't mean it isn't killing. Lastly, anything that is killed IS murdered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah... you JUST said abortion IS NOT murder, its a killing, THEN your dumbass says all killings are murder.. Youre a fruitcake, and Im LMFAO!!!
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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Actually love, in order to determine if it is murder or not, you must determine when life STARTS. is it at conception, is it when the heart beats on its own? is it when brain waves can be measured? is it when the nervous system connects to the brain? is it at week 10, 16 or 28? is it at birth? Everyone will have a different representation. So therefore, you cannot determine whether abortion is murder or not. Just saying. Think before you speak.
wallygator93 9 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: That's still NOT A GOD DAMNED EXCUSE FOR MURDER.
~!~~~~~~~~~~~~ We dont need e xcuses..its LEGAL.. no reasons, excuses, or justification necessary. Hahah, got anything that will work for you dumbass?? Didnt think you did..lol
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 Come on chilcken shit , answer the question... If abortion is murder why arent 50 million women in prison for the crime?? Go head...i need a laugh!!
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: I'm sorry I have no sympathy for women who feel sad because they cannot murder their babies
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahah ANY...that is ANY women can murder her baby if she choose to and theres not a damned thing you can do about it..... Whats the matter creep, did I GET you? LMFAO!!
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@monstahhh12 says: There's no lying there just plain facts.
~~~~~~~~~~ Yep, and pro CHOICE has all the facts...thats why abortion is LEGAL, and you dont have squat, thats why you cant make it illegal.. Sorry you failed sweetie...lol
Sueezee1 10 months ago
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@lanainfla says:she is such a bullshittin satanic liar -abortion is murder
~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, YOU'RE the LIAR.. abortion is NOT murder, ignorant prolifer
Sueezee1 10 months ago
Omg she is so hypocritical. Cant say it sincerely. Dancing around to satisfy religious brainwashed stupid americans.
carcaril 1 year ago
stupid fucking btich
IBerryiful 1 year ago
@theunbornguardian Yeah totally. Boys and men need to learn to be responsible and keep their junk wrapped up.
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NotADood 1 year ago
HILLARY CLINTON IS RIGHT ON ABORTIN IS KILLING BABIES.THATS SO WRONG.
SuperGothvampire 1 year ago
@SuperGothvampire says: KILLING BABIES.THATS SO WRONG.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong according to who? You? WHO is the judge of whats right and/or wrong for the people of the world? Its damned sure not you!
Sueezee1 10 months ago
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there is no common ground
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mill1021 1 year ago
If your a confused communist female or one of their chickeshit boyfreinds that believe common ground can be found, when a modern day tramps get knocked up and then wants to kill the little people, because of her hairbrained attempt at thought and poor decisions, you are mistaken.
This time period will go down in history as a new dark age, barbaristic females everywhere exterminating their own because of a perceived career. Who let these simple minded idiots vote?
biscottibob 1 year ago
@biscottibob a) you sound like a dumbass american, just interchanging the words socialism, communism, nazism etc. for things that you dislike, and you sound more like a person in favor of a dicatorship trying to control who can vote.
cole3454657 1 year ago
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burn in hell you capitalist pig
masterhackerV 1 year ago
@biscottibob I'm actually more concerned about morons such as yourself being able to vote than any of those 'communist, barbaristic (which isn't even a fucking word, just fyi) females'.
What about those that are unfortunate enough to get raped and end up pregnant? Or an accidental pregnancy in their mid-teens? I really don't think children should have to bear children, or rape victims bring the unwanted children of their assailants into the world.
The decision to abort is NEVER made lightly.
RavenHawk1988 1 year ago
abortion is not as terribly high as prolife want us to believe. there are over 300.000 million americans and a very large part of that consist of women. just over 1 million abortions are performed a year. thats not so bad..i mean we would like it to go down though. the answer is focusing on preventive measures.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
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Breast cancer rates are highest in countries with the highest induced abortion rates. Breast cancer was infrequent before Roe vs Wade legalized abortion nationwide. Currently, there are about 1.2 million abortions in the U.S per year. By age 45, 42% of American women have had an abortion. Since Roe vs Wade in 1973, breast cancer rates in the U.S. have increased about 40%. Induced abortion cause biological changes to occur in breasts which make women more susceptible to breast cancer.
ProLifeEternally 1 year ago 2
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There is research linking abortion to breast cancer. For more info, type this into your Google search engine:
1) Coalition on abortion breast cancer
2) Abortion breast cancer
These two above will lead you to websites that discuss in detail the link between having an abortion & the abortion increasing the risk of breast cancer. It seems The National Cancer Institute & American Cancer Society try to discredit the research as the abortion industry is a powerful $500-$800 million a yr business.
ProLifeEternally 1 year ago 2
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In 2003, the National Cancer Institute held a workshop that concluded having an abortion does not increase risk of breast cancer. Here is what the National Cancer Institute (NCI) doesn't tell you: Planned Parenthood (USA's largest abortion provider) has been reported to donate millions of dollars to NCI. Therefore, NCI relies on abortion money to fund their research & thus an incentive for bias research exists. It is believed salaries of cancer researchers come from abortion money
ProLifeEternally 1 year ago 2
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More about the National Cancer Institute's (NCI) conference that concluded no link between abortion & breast cancer. Dr. L. Brinton, a leading NCI researcher, neglected to tell you the following on the NCI website: Scientists who did indeed find links between abortion & elevated risk of breast cancer were deliberately not allowed to present their data & research at the 2003 conference. Only doctors who found no link between abortion & breast cancer were allowed to present their papers
ProLifeEternally 1 year ago 2
It is not a woman's choice, what if you were aborted you selfish fools!
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856893tfr 1 year ago
Abortion is Murder and should be illegal !!
rebawag 1 year ago
What do you mean by logical fallacy, can you explain this so I can understand? What doesn't make sense? Both you and me once where a conceived cell and if someone aborted you, you would not have the chance to become who you are now. The conceived cell does not have the capacity to become a human being, a sperm and an egg cell have the capacity. The conceived cell is already at work in becoming a fully developed human being.
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I know biology very well and you don't read what I write properlly. A sperm and egg cell have the capacity to create a human being. When they combine this is no longer capacity, but already the actuall process of creating a human being takes place. Words or terms do not create facts by themselves. No matter how you put it in words the earth orbits the Sun and that is a fact. The same applies for abortion, because the moment you create a conceived cell, the process begins...
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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...Every single human being that has been conceived had the same beginning, this means that the life of every individual human being begins with the moment of conception. What part of logic in this you regard as logical fallacy? Do you think that just because an embryo has not formed a heart it is not human? Give it time and it will develop a heart, however if you destroy that embryo you destroy the chance for that embryo to become a fully developed human being...
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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...hence it does not matter at what stage of development you destroy the developing human being, because every single part of development is essential for the development of the full human body. ESSENTIAL is the keyword not OPTIONAL. It is essential for every human being to become a conceived cell before that human being has even the slightest chance of becoming an adult human being that you regard as human. You either lack knowledge or lack understanding of knowledge you have.
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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If truly a human beings life does not start with the moment of conception and if the conceived cell is not a human being THEN PROVE TO ME BY CREATING A HUMAN BEING WITHOUT FIRST CREATING A COCEIVED CELL. However before you get to doing that, try atleast solving the HIV puzzle.
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@856893tfr
Why is killing wrong? Well to a serial killer must be right, otherwise the killer would not kill. If killing is right then let us kill everyone on this planet and do the right thing. To think about it, it wouldn't be such a bad idea, afterall people hurt each other all over the world, so we might as well end our miseries, however there are people that love each other and if you kill them, they cannot love each other anymore in this state. If killing is right,then why don'tuwant2die?
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Imagine multiple universes. There are 36 universes and in each one you have the same woman and the time flows the same in each one. This woman becomes pregnant in each universe.As TIME goes by in universe 1 you abort the pregnancy of the woman after 1 week, then after 2 weeks you abort the pregnancy of the woman in universe 2 and you keep doing that every week for next universes untill you are left with universe 36 and the woman gives birth to a baby. Open your eyes.
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Don't you understand that that is how human are formed? It is a process and that is how it works. It is not a matter of how developed the human is, the human is already developing and at any moment you interfere with that development you give NO CHANCE for that human to completly develop, therefore you take the life of that human being, before it could fully develop. If you think killing is not wrong, then as a killer to kill you, otherwise you have answered ur question urself.
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Let's get this clear. Some power created the galaxy, with the solar system and earth with life on it. Some power created the human and it is not possible to have happened by chance, because to create something so complicated as a human being requiers knowledge and someone or something whom can use this knowledge to create a human being. If you think that is not true, then all the creations of man happened to be created by chance. By chance the computer was created, right?
YANODANIM 1 year ago
@856893tfr
Everything in nature must obey a specific law in order for nature as a whole to function properly. When the engine of the car breaks down, then the car won't function properly and if all the atoms in the universe rebelled and decided to fall apart, we would all fall apart. If foundamental particles need to obey a law, then on the human level does not the human requier a law in order for humans to function preoperly as one family, society?
YANODANIM 1 year ago
@856893tfr
If killing would be right, then if everyone would decide to be a killer, we would all kill each other and no one will be left to argument. There is good and evil, why? Because the most basic commuincation is 0 and 1, it is the nature of things. We are just humans on a planet, but the universe is much more than just our lives on this planet, their is a Higher Reason and the Reason decided for us to be. We should realise how humble our position is, we are like ants.
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Let God prove that to you Himself. NMA
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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As for abortion, the fact it forms a certain way doesn't mean its wrong to interrupt the process? Well if you think killing is good, then you are right. The reason why by interrupting the process you kill the human being is that if you do not interrupt the process a human being will form and be born as a baby. It is about TIME, the conceived cell within the womb of the mother can only form a human being, unless it is interrupted. You kill the human being b4 it had the chance2form.
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As for abortion, there is no difference between killing a 23 year old man or 88 year old woman or a 2 year old baby or a 4 week old embryo, because all human beings that have existed and still exist had to be all those things and in order to be for example 99 years old, however not everyone lived to that age and not everyone survived to be even born, for reasons such as miscarrage or abortion...
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@856893tfr
Fake logic? I base my understanding on understanding biology very well and this is not fake logic, this is Actual Logic. Without this logic no human being would be able to develop into a child, because without a conceived cell no child has ever been created. The reason I write "2+2=4" and then "3*4/2-2=4" and so on, so that you can understand the answer does not change no matter what the equation. Conceived cell+womb=baby ... No conceived cell + womb = no baby....
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You said it yourself "just because it is the first step to life". Well life began long time ago, but the life of an individual human being begins with the moment of conception.And you say that just because the life of a human being begins with the moment of conception doesn't mean killing it is wrong? When you destroy it, then it cannot form a human body it is designed to form. The moment of conception the reaction has started and there is no turning back...
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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I promise you that eventually you will come to understanding this, just as the people of the past came to understanding that it is not the sun that orbits the earth, but the earth orbits the sun and if you tried to say it is the otehr way you might even lost your life. I have not invented this knowledge, we only discovered it and through this knowledge we can understand better ourselves and that what surounds us. Truly man is stupid, to think to be the only inteligent being.
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When I speak of the conceived cell being an essential part of a human life, I do not speak of belief, but of a fact of human life. The moment you create a conceived cell you create the foundation upon which you create the whole human organism. You may say that this foundation is not yet a human being, but it is. Why? Because from this conceived cell you create the whole human body. In fact it is the earliest stage of an individual human being's life and every living cell is ALIVE.
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr Killing is wrong because as human beings we are blessed with the ability to empathize, and so can understand how it will affect other people, and willingly making someone feel that way is wrong. You're wrong in your 'seed' argument, that's justification for masturbation, not abortion.
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@856893tfr However, you’ve changed your seed example from the comment I replied to. The last message made no mention of pollination, germination, or anything else, it was simply a seed. The correlation between seeds and sperm is that they are one component of several things required to create life. Alone they are useless, when combined with its ‘mate’ life begins. With pregnancy this is when the sperm fertilizes the egg, the two separate sexual cells have combined to make an individual.
eddiehatred 1 year ago
@856893tfr You don’t understand why causing someone emotional pain is wrong?
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@856893tfr Arguments are usually nothing but emotionally fueled, but this is a debate, and I am not using emotional arguments to make a point, the emotions caused by the killing ARE the point that makes it wrong! :)
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@856893tfr There is no contradiction, the argument is not being presented as a result of my emotions, it is based in the reality of other people's emotions towards it. If one person finds something to be wrong, it is at least wrong to them, and so is wrong, understand? The objective way of verifying it is wrong is to look at the effect it would have on society if everyone killed, society would not exist for long, and since we want it to, killing is logically wrong! :)
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@856893tfr One person having strong emotions on it makes it wrong to one person, and so wrong on at least some level. The point is not IF society did not exist, it's that we don't want to get to that stage, and since killing would take us to it, it's wrong.
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr If we're talking about the reason for abortion being wrong, it's that if a woman consents to sex without consenting to having any children she creates, she is getting sexual pleasure from something that will make her possibly have to kill her child, and that's not what being human is all about. It is also the case in the eyes of the law that the fetus is as important as any other life, evidence of which you'll find in cases where pregnant women have been murdered.
eddiehatred 1 year ago
@eddiehatred
whatever mate, im going off to bed now. i am sick of the abortion argumentation, its just boring. we could just end up going in circles and not going anywhere, so whatever. i thank you though for making me think and for a clean conversation though
856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr I'm afraid it was you that went up and down, round in circles. I personally went forward, as per my logically reasoned opinion allows. Your welcome for the 'clean' conversation, though I'm confused as to why you deleted all of your previous messages from it?
eddiehatred 1 year ago
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i deleted my messages because im tired of all the abortion arguments. so i dont want no one commenting back anymore on abortion. ill reargue abortion one day when im not tired. and im afraid you were going in circles too, otherwise, youd have changed my opinion on abortion. but till then im not arguing abortion. i think we shall talk again friend. safe life and safe travels mate.
856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr There's a difference between going in circles and having to repeat aspects of an argument which you didn't understand, and clearly still don't. I'll be happy to discuss it again with you anytime! Bye.
eddiehatred 1 year ago
@856893tfrz If we're talking about killing in general, the fact that society would end if everyone killed makes killing wrong. We cannot survive if everyone kills, so it cannot be right for anyone to do.
eddiehatred 1 year ago
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.... as for why killing of a human being is wrong. Now I can answer your question and it requiers the proof you requested. The Inteligent Force that used the powerful tools of nature, created everything from stars to galaxies and solar systems and planets ans so on. The Inteligent Force has also created life on earth using forces of nature as tools, therefore we have life given by the Inteligent Force and nobody has the right to destroy that life except the Creator Himself...
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and ofcourse in all other 35 universes no baby is born, I wonder why?
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It is essential to create a conceived cell in order to create a human being. Now if this doesn't prove that its wrong to abort, then it means it proves that abortion is right? The fruit of pregnancy is the life of a new human being, the fruit of abortion is no human being. You write does the cell look human? Have you seem some babies born after the Chernobyl disaster, where the nuclear power station had a melt down? I tell you truly they don't look much human, without limbs&deformed
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr
The moment an acorn seed starts the process of development it already is becoming a tree. You think you can interfere with the process of human development and get away with the argument that it is not human? How can it become a fully developed human being if you do not give it the chance to do so? If abortion was not murder, then even a pregnant woman after an abortion would still eventually give birth, unless a miscarriage took place. Miscarrige kills the human&so does abortion
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
Something that is not human on the first place can never become a human being. The sperm cell and egg cell when seperate are only two parts of the full genetic code for making a human being. When they unite the identity of an individual human being is determined and all the information to create that individual is within that one single conceived cell. Remember all the cells that make up the adult human body come from that ONE CONCEIVED CELL. You destroy that cell, you destroy the whole body.
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr
In that case the goverment should not have a say when criminals commit crimes. Ley the serial killers kill? There is not many reasons why abortion is wrong. There is only one reason and that is that abortion is the murder of a human being. From the moment of conception a new human being is formed, because YOUR body began to form in the moment of conception and this is A BIOLOGICAL FACT and nothing can change it no matter how much you want to and neither can I. It's justhewayitis
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr
And what can stop the conceived cell from growing into a "real" baby?
How is a cell or a bunch of still developing groups of cells a human? This is how: Unless you FIRST become a conceived cell you have NO CHANCE of becoming a human being on the FIST PLACE. During the pregnancy the human body is created and your body to be created needed to first become a conceived cell then you became an embryo, fetus and baby. If at any stage you was aborted you would not have the chance2readthis
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr
Friend I do not dictate how a human being is to be formed, nature dictates the rules, we either accept them or not. You think you can destroy a conceived cell, because it is not a fully developed human being? Well if you destroy the conceived cell it will NEVER become a fully developed human being and that is the point I am making. It is not an option for a new human being to start its development at the moment of conception, it is ESSENTIAL...
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
@856893tfr
why does it matter if i wouldn't get the "chance2readthis"? Because if someone decided to abort you, you would not have a chance to become a fully developed human being. I say abortion is murder of a human being, meaning that when you abort you destroy a human being. If abortion does not kill a human being then order to do abortions to every woman that becomes pregnant. Do so for atleast 150 years and in that time the human race will become EXTINCT.
YANODANIM 1 year ago
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856893tfr 1 year ago
The choice a pregnant woman makes whether to keep her baby or not is a choice of life and death. Yes it is a woman's choice, just be 100% aware what the choice involves. You cannot cover the fact with opinions, because a fact remains a fact no matter what circumstances.
YANODANIM 1 year ago
A pregnant woman carries a human being within her womb, otherwise to abort a 2 week old embryo of a mother that wants to keep her embryo would be murder or not of her future child? Just because you want or not want to keep the pregnancy does not change the fact that a pregnancy is a state in which a woman's body has a developing human being with her.
YANODANIM 1 year ago
but i ask you, is it really their choice? it's a human life! who didn't even have the chance to chose right from wrong, think about this, what if your mother wanted to have an abortion, while she was pregnet with you?
Americangal18 1 year ago
every idiot that thinks abortion is ok can kiss my ass... wtf is wrong wit dis world u dnt wanna get pregnant CLOSE UR GOD DAM LEGS HOES!...then u guys wouldnt be worried about pregnancy!!
chinitaloka13 1 year ago
Shit like this is what I hate about politics, people act like abortion is illegal and aren't there more important issues to be talking about??, personally, I don't agree with abortion but I feel women should have the right to have one if they wish, it's there fucking body and worrying about what women do with their bodies is a complete time waster, focus on the real problems we are dealing with right now America!!!!
ryan9942 1 year ago
@ryan9942 im a human your a human a babys a human god lives in allllllllllll animals insects bugs everyone thats why eating meatt is wrongg god gave us vegetables and fruitss to eat those are natural SEE THE THING IS PEOPLE DONT WANT TO DO RIGHTOUSNESS PEOPLE WANT TO HURT OTHERS DO BAD TO OTHERS SEE THATS WHY THOSE PEOPLE ARE SO SAD AND MISERABLE BELIEVE ME OR NOT REMEMBER I AM TELLING THE TRUTH GOD BLESS MOSIEFOOL
mosiefool 1 year ago
@mosiefool. God just shut the fuck up you blabbing piece of shit!!!!
ryan9942 1 year ago
@ryan9942 ryan my friend you can believe me or not BUT I AM TELLING THE TRUTH I AM TELLING THE TRUTH THE CHOICE IS YOURSS TO MAKEEE ? PEACE MY FRIEND THANKS FOR WRITEING GOD BLESS ALL INSECTS ANIMALS BUGS THATS WHY EATING MEAT IS WRONGG GOD GAVE US VEGETABLES AND FRUITS TO EAT THOSE ARE NATURAL GOD BLESS EVERYONEE GOD BLESS YOU THE CHOICE IS YOURSS TO MAKE PEACE AMEN AND AMEN PEACEE MOSIEEFOOL
mosiefool 1 year ago
@ryan9942 truly i say to you thats why eating meat and egg is WRONG TRULY THATS WHY EATING MEAT AND EGG IS WRONGGG GOD BLESS YOUU PEACE MOSIEEFOOL
mosiefool 1 year ago
Wow there are more important issues then this lmao! Wow this shouldn't even be an issue! Do you women want to lose your control over your bodies? Do you want your right to make a choice over your body and reproductive system taken away? I want only women to answer this because we men don't go through pregnancy so I want to hear from the women.
mrwhydontyouandi 1 year ago
What a great world we would have if there could be some way to determine in the womb that a child would grow up to be a liberal and abort them.
happy1too 1 year ago
Keep it safe, legal and rare. Its a womans choice, get over it.
kady7869 1 year ago 8
@kady7869 a womans choice to kill her offspring
marianegroable 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"Choice"=Murder
"Unwanted"=Murder
"My Body"=Murder
"Unplanned"=Murder
"Equality"=Murder
"Reproductive Rights" = Murder
Ah, the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent and marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.
Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again. Different Rhetoric, Different Demographic. History Repeats itself, New Slogans & the Same old outcome, a high body count.
teton99 1 year ago
I will be glad when the day comes that America rids itself of these fraudulent people who give themselves the title of Reverend.
Relgion poisons everything. Abortion is the right of the mother to choose whether or not to have one.
roac7777 1 year ago
abortion should be a right tbh. what if someone got raped and pregnant? if someone doesn't want a child, that child could be unloved by the parent... why would anyone want that for a child?
Kuggar 1 year ago
Kug: that child could be unloved by the parent... why would anyone want that for a child? Because they dont care about the kids. They have an unnatrual and obsessive attraction to the unborn ONLY. By the way, you're much too smart for these people!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Kuggar if the parent doesn't want to love the child there can be someone else willing to love the child, not all just have to be dumped into foster care, the birth parents have every right who they want to give their child to in order to raise for a proper upbringing, not all are able to concieve and would give their right arm to have a child, give the child as a gift.
PrincessofCheap 1 year ago
@PrincessofCheap okay if someone else will love the child then tell them to go have one of their own and mind their business! I'm 4 abortion because off the BS that I went through and I would never let my son or my daughter go through what I did and if an abortion will prevent that then good! Have you ever been in a foster home? Do you know what it's like to go through that? If not then stfu!
mrwhydontyouandi 1 year ago
@mrwhydontyouandi FYI, YES I do know what it is like to be born of a mother that doesn't want you, i'm that child, the best thing my bio-mother did for me was throw me away, and now I have a mother who loves me more than anything and pushed me through school and finnished at the top so, NO I WILL NOT STFU!
PrincessofCheap 1 year ago
@PrincessofCheap Yes STFU! And do you really want a right taken? Don't bitch when it is!!
mrwhydontyouandi 1 year ago
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TheBella47 1 year ago
Clinton is an ABORTION !
greg357159 2 years ago
greg: Clinton is an ABORTION
God made prolifers ignorant so they couldnt make abortion illegal.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
If you don't want a baby wear a fucking condom. It's that simple.
sfurner 2 years ago
Any way of reducing (or at least slowing the rate of increase of) our population is a good thing surely. 115000 births are prevented every day through abortion. Good.
That's my take on it.
sfurner 2 years ago 5
@sfurner what are you talking about diesese,war,calamities,murder,suicide,and abortion scince when are these good things
TheMasamune444 2 years ago
@sfurner
THINK REAL HARD ABOUT THAT!!!!
89AEF 2 years ago
@sfurner I'm sorry, but I just don't see how dismembering and crushing a baby using tongs and/or sucking it out piece by piece from a womb using a vacuum and then tossing the remains into a dumpster can be considered a "good thing".
MyNameIsCondor 1 year ago
@MyNameIsCondor ppl r dying in more heinous ways everyday (in places of conflict & poverty& captivity)
so help those 1st
charact1 1 year ago
@charact1 we have to end all injustice happening in the wold we have to help ALLL PEACE AMEN AND AMEN GOD BLESS YOU
mosiefool 1 year ago
@sfurner im a human your a human a babays a human you were once a babay if someone said to your mother have a abortain it well keep the population less you have to think just think god lives in all insects animals bugs everyone thats why eating meatt is wronng truly i say to you believe me or not im telling the TRUTH THINK GOD BLESS YOU MOSIEFFOL PEACE AMEN AND AMENN
mosiefool 1 year ago
@mosiefool Either you're on drugs, or you're just a moron, because a lot of what you said didn't really make sense, and there're more spelling mistakes than there are abortions.
"...thats why eating meatt is wronng"
Wow, you came to that conclusion pretty quickly.
How about validating this statement first, before jumping to (wrong) conclusions: "...god lives in all..."
God? What's that?
I'm still trying very hard to understand what you even said, but to no avail.
sfurner 1 year ago