dont submit to doing something you dont want to, based on someone threatening to do something to you that you dont want them to do, if you do something you dont want to do.
I see where you are going in this vlog. However, in terms of exploitation... wage slavery pales in comparison to the brutal repression of chattel slavery The "positive reinforcement" suggested continued that well into the 20th century and was draconian in comparison to anything that exists today. Your profoundly valid indictment of capitalism, does not in any way validate, the assertion that chattel slavery was... easy peasy.
While I appreciate your intellectual curiosity and commitment, I sincerely hope you're equating salaried employment with chattel slavery for purposes of argumentative hyperbole. Do you believe that the difference between a contemporary office worker and a 19th century Black slave is only a matter of degree rather than type? Under what circumstances is it wrong to exchange labor for money or goods?
"Our typical image of a wage slave is a smiling employee in a corporate ad" -mr1001nights
Capitalism is crazier than that, in Sept. 159,000 jobs were lost, now Chrysler, coke, Yahoo, Goldmann Sachs, B of A, GE, many airlines, and many companies are cutting workers by 100,000's
On 11/7, 3 days after elections, October job losses will be announced, expected to exceed 250,000
Now, the typical image of a wage slave is a smiling unemployed family! -see nytimes "Businesses slash U.S. jobs"
Under capitalism the worker doesn't produce anything for himself, that is what normal work should do- benefit the worker right? wrong! under capitalism the work doesnt benefit the worker, it benefits the capitalist
Under the chains of capitalism the workers do not work for their needs as they should, but are forced to be lead by gamblers who speculate how much will be sold and how much to produce
and just imagine paul, if the capitalist decided they should not let us use their property anymore, what would happen to us, we've never had a chance to even have property, we're deprived of even being able to get property to produce for our own needs, we have no independence and are solely dependant on our masters the exploiting class, hey btw paul i think 1001nights has been reading engels lol
Capitalism is an unplanned spontaneous system, it leads us blindly to what it speculates we will gobble and speculates what we should slave away doing to make capitalist profits and not for actual workers needs
Capitalism hit the ground running but unfortunately it is a hamster running on a wheel, now and then,
And Now!
it begs for money from the very ones its exploiting
Well first, you must accept the current state of the world as your starting point. It is what it is.
Secondly, I believe that humans thrive on spontaneity and randomness. Too much effort is put into controlling outcomes and current economics does just that - it attempts to force nature to change its behaviour. It's failing because it's not laissez-faire capitalism.
You want to abandon something you've never experienced. Become a capitalist.
First, we socialists are against the existing social and political order of things.
Second, humans don't thrive on spontaneity and randomness, capitalists do! You are throwing the whole of human society into one class, as if there were no exploiters and no exploited.
Third, the bailout is attempting to control outcomes, and forcing nature to change its behavior but that's after de-regulation laissez-faire capitalism got us into this madness!
First of all, you are saying humans want randomness and spontaneity, like if we are the capitalist class that caused this crisis by speculating on how much to make workers work and how much they will afford, and when it isnt enough beg for billions from the very ones you exploit!
Second, partial de-regulation caused the crisis, now imagine full de-regulation! Which is what you want!
No, I am saying that you are of a worker class, which is fine but you can't complain so long as you are unwilling to get yourself out of your plight. No one owes you anything. If you are unhappy with your lot in life, you owe it to yourself to change things for yourself. No one is going to do it for you. Hence, become a capitalist.
Partial deregulation to the benefit of a few oligarchs. Dropping laws to circumvent local labor and exploit slavery globally.
Or organize amongst the working class and abolish the system of capitalism, creating a system in which the economy is managed by workers. That works much better.
Resigning yourself to this fictitious notion of "worker class" is allowing yourself to be a victim. You have more control than you know, but that control concerns your own life. This idea that moving forward is contingent upon everyone moving forward will eventually break your will. Improve yourself and we all improve. Lead by example and others will follow.
You're the one that used the term 'worker class', dumbass. But since you're so keen to backtrack on yourself, let me explain to you that the notion of classes is not 'ficticious'. The system of capitalism is made up of two classes; workers and capitalists. The workers are the ones who earn wages - the employees, and the capitalists are the ones who pay the wages - the employers.
I never asked you to be on my side. I knew that when you claimed that the class system is 'fictitious' and that we should 'become capitalists' and exploit our fellow workers, that there was no point in even trying. You had already made clear which side you were on.
It's like trying to convince your boss of the need for Socialism, or trying to debate with a Nazi. There's no point.
There you go - proof that there's no point in trying to debate with you. Rational discussion with you people is completely futile. Even after I've explained the class system to you -something that is extremely clear cut and that even mainstream bourgeois politicians recognize - you continue to deny it as 'fiction'.
"I don't understand why I get attacked for telling you to empower yourself..."
If you were in the early 19th century, you would have been suggesting that a slave should 'free himself' and go on to become a slave owner who dominates and exploits the labour of his people.
The situation is not as extreme, but similar; you are suggesting that instead of organizing as a class and collectively taking over the means of production, a few of us should attempt to become wealthy by exploiting the rest.
That's a strange comparison to make, seeing as fascism is an ideology that promotes the totalitarian state, extreme nationalism, and corporatism.
Anarchists seek to abolish the state, have a strong sense of internationalism, and abolish capitalism. So they are completely opposite ideologies. That's a terrible comparison.
These two classes are constantly at conflicting interests - workers want wages to be as high as possible, but capitalists want wages to be as low as possible to maximize profits. The parasitic capitalist class is completely dependent on the labour of the working class.
Your ridiculous notion of 'leading by example' is basically negated by the principle that capitalists require workers to make profits. We can't all be capitalists; someone has to do the actual productive work.
I gave the example before, if we had a truly free market, we would have an electric car on the road RIGHT NOW. A very cheap, silent one has been made. Know what stands in its way? Regulations that make it too inconvenient to own due to very high restrictions on where it can be operated, in most cases making its use illegal altogether. Why do you think that is?
Electric cars will kill trillions in oil company capitalists' profits. Capitalism is about profits and it will do anything to keep making em'. Capitalist banks know this so they don't fund this and don't want this.
Any society based on a profit motive and not on human needs is doomed to eliminate itself.
a society that sacrifices humans and their neccesities for profits will eventually die.
This is what I was getting at: those who stand to lose in the game use government to ensure that their new competition is stifled. This is precisely why regulation and government stands in the way of advancement.
It's not a question of funding, the cars have already been developed. Look up the ZENN car.
This is not a free market. It's not laissez-faire capitalism. Ironically, it's more socialist than anything.
7:10 you said "unemployment to discipline wage-slaves"
i would suggest unemployment as an effect of capitalist crisis of overproduction and the contradiction of bare wages and underconsumption, followed by a credit crisis that blows the lid wide open, when no profit is made, complete bankruptcy and everything catches up leading to a domino effect of the likes we're seeing now, 159,000 jobs lost in septemeber alone and even more to come mervyn's just went bust this week and more are coming!
The reason that slave ownership was becoming more benign is because the culture was realizing how disgusting it is. Same thing happened with industrial wage-slavery.
The reason chattel slaves' life improved in the 19th century is due to the banning of the international slave trade, thus forcing slave-owners to care more for the well-being of their slaves, since they could no longer afford to work their slaves to death (often literally) for 3-5 years and then replace them.
The banning greatly contributed, because the conditions under which slaves could exploit paternalism were magnified (i.e. regulated slavery like regulated capitalism improves conditions). But most American slaves were provided by natural population growth, not importation & though not much info exists about slave heights in the 18th century, there's evidence of increased meat intake in the last quarter of the 18th century &higher living standards among American slaves than European wage laborers
Too many distort the meaning of wage slavery, saying it is chattel slavery and that nothing of which exists. Different types of slavery: 1) Wage slavery 2) Debt slavery 3) Chattel slavery 4) Sex slavery 5) Forced labor These types of slavery can fit into three groups: 1) Wage slavery 2) Contract slavery 3) Traditional slavery All types exist today, even within the US.
Excellent video. The further you are down the corporate ladder, the more you are exploited. The further you move up, the more you exploit others. No-one wins. Let's do away with this dog-eat-dog rat race once and for all.
EXTREMELY WELL SAID - & also raised even more TRUTHS in which I did not "see" & or rather, aware of prior to watching. THANK YOU
rsronetube16 6 months ago
dont do something wrong, based on because someone did or threatened they will do something wrong to you.
nicesocialgirl 1 year ago
dont submit to doing something you dont want to, based on someone threatening to do something to you that you dont want them to do, if you do something you dont want to do.
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vanilly87 2 years ago
I see where you are going in this vlog. However, in terms of exploitation... wage slavery pales in comparison to the brutal repression of chattel slavery The "positive reinforcement" suggested continued that well into the 20th century and was draconian in comparison to anything that exists today. Your profoundly valid indictment of capitalism, does not in any way validate, the assertion that chattel slavery was... easy peasy.
blue4meridian 3 years ago
While I appreciate your intellectual curiosity and commitment, I sincerely hope you're equating salaried employment with chattel slavery for purposes of argumentative hyperbole. Do you believe that the difference between a contemporary office worker and a 19th century Black slave is only a matter of degree rather than type? Under what circumstances is it wrong to exchange labor for money or goods?
socionomic 3 years ago
"Our typical image of a wage slave is a smiling employee in a corporate ad" -mr1001nights
Capitalism is crazier than that, in Sept. 159,000 jobs were lost, now Chrysler, coke, Yahoo, Goldmann Sachs, B of A, GE, many airlines, and many companies are cutting workers by 100,000's
On 11/7, 3 days after elections, October job losses will be announced, expected to exceed 250,000
Now, the typical image of a wage slave is a smiling unemployed family! -see nytimes "Businesses slash U.S. jobs"
SoCalSocialism 3 years ago
This is how we're slaves:
Under capitalism the worker doesn't produce anything for himself, that is what normal work should do- benefit the worker right? wrong! under capitalism the work doesnt benefit the worker, it benefits the capitalist
Under the chains of capitalism the workers do not work for their needs as they should, but are forced to be lead by gamblers who speculate how much will be sold and how much to produce
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago
and just imagine paul, if the capitalist decided they should not let us use their property anymore, what would happen to us, we've never had a chance to even have property, we're deprived of even being able to get property to produce for our own needs, we have no independence and are solely dependant on our masters the exploiting class, hey btw paul i think 1001nights has been reading engels lol
SoCalSocialism 3 years ago
Then become a capitalist. Problem solved.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
Capitalism is an unplanned spontaneous system, it leads us blindly to what it speculates we will gobble and speculates what we should slave away doing to make capitalist profits and not for actual workers needs
Capitalism hit the ground running but unfortunately it is a hamster running on a wheel, now and then,
And Now!
it begs for money from the very ones its exploiting
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago 2
Well first, you must accept the current state of the world as your starting point. It is what it is.
Secondly, I believe that humans thrive on spontaneity and randomness. Too much effort is put into controlling outcomes and current economics does just that - it attempts to force nature to change its behaviour. It's failing because it's not laissez-faire capitalism.
You want to abandon something you've never experienced. Become a capitalist.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
First, we socialists are against the existing social and political order of things.
Second, humans don't thrive on spontaneity and randomness, capitalists do! You are throwing the whole of human society into one class, as if there were no exploiters and no exploited.
Third, the bailout is attempting to control outcomes, and forcing nature to change its behavior but that's after de-regulation laissez-faire capitalism got us into this madness!
You are standing everything on its head!
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago
"You are throwing the whole of human society into one class"
LOL! Oh the irony! This is precisely what socialists do!
"as if there were no exploiters and no exploited"
Socialism is predicated upon exploitation.
"the bailout is attempting to control outcomes"
Did I say the bailout was a good thing? No.
"de-regulation laissez-faire capitalism got us into this madness!"
Not at all. Partial deregulation to the benefit of a few oligarchs is NOT laissez-faire capitalism.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
First of all, you are saying humans want randomness and spontaneity, like if we are the capitalist class that caused this crisis by speculating on how much to make workers work and how much they will afford, and when it isnt enough beg for billions from the very ones you exploit!
Second, partial de-regulation caused the crisis, now imagine full de-regulation! Which is what you want!
Again, standing everything on its head!
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago
No, I am saying that you are of a worker class, which is fine but you can't complain so long as you are unwilling to get yourself out of your plight. No one owes you anything. If you are unhappy with your lot in life, you owe it to yourself to change things for yourself. No one is going to do it for you. Hence, become a capitalist.
Partial deregulation to the benefit of a few oligarchs. Dropping laws to circumvent local labor and exploit slavery globally.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
"Hence, become a capitalist"
Or organize amongst the working class and abolish the system of capitalism, creating a system in which the economy is managed by workers. That works much better.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
Resigning yourself to this fictitious notion of "worker class" is allowing yourself to be a victim. You have more control than you know, but that control concerns your own life. This idea that moving forward is contingent upon everyone moving forward will eventually break your will. Improve yourself and we all improve. Lead by example and others will follow.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
You're the one that used the term 'worker class', dumbass. But since you're so keen to backtrack on yourself, let me explain to you that the notion of classes is not 'ficticious'. The system of capitalism is made up of two classes; workers and capitalists. The workers are the ones who earn wages - the employees, and the capitalists are the ones who pay the wages - the employers.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
I was speaking in context when I used that term. My comment went completely over your head.
And I will never be on your side, you have my solemn word on that. You've burnt that bridge.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
I never asked you to be on my side. I knew that when you claimed that the class system is 'fictitious' and that we should 'become capitalists' and exploit our fellow workers, that there was no point in even trying. You had already made clear which side you were on.
It's like trying to convince your boss of the need for Socialism, or trying to debate with a Nazi. There's no point.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
The class system is a fiction.
I don't understand why I get attacked for telling you to empower yourself rather than expecting or "needing" others to empower you.
You lefties are completely hopeless.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
There you go - proof that there's no point in trying to debate with you. Rational discussion with you people is completely futile. Even after I've explained the class system to you -something that is extremely clear cut and that even mainstream bourgeois politicians recognize - you continue to deny it as 'fiction'.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, right?
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
DANxCHORIN, I agree with you 100%. You are of the working class. And there's nothing you can do about it. You're just too weak.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
"I don't understand why I get attacked for telling you to empower yourself..."
If you were in the early 19th century, you would have been suggesting that a slave should 'free himself' and go on to become a slave owner who dominates and exploits the labour of his people.
The situation is not as extreme, but similar; you are suggesting that instead of organizing as a class and collectively taking over the means of production, a few of us should attempt to become wealthy by exploiting the rest.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
There is no comparison between "wage slavery" and chattel slavery. That's moronic.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
Damn, you're stupid. You haven't even watched the video you're commenting on.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
Actually I have. The problem is that I disagree with it - I know you lefty fascists forbid that. My apologies.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
Oh man, you actually just used the terms 'lefty' and 'fascist' together? Damn.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
Yes I did. You guys are just another brand of fascism to me.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
That's a strange comparison to make, seeing as fascism is an ideology that promotes the totalitarian state, extreme nationalism, and corporatism.
Anarchists seek to abolish the state, have a strong sense of internationalism, and abolish capitalism. So they are completely opposite ideologies. That's a terrible comparison.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
OWNED@ beejusbeejus
elijahj8812 3 years ago
Fascism is a conservative, right wing pro-capital phenomenon. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.
canaan1967 2 years ago 3
These two classes are constantly at conflicting interests - workers want wages to be as high as possible, but capitalists want wages to be as low as possible to maximize profits. The parasitic capitalist class is completely dependent on the labour of the working class.
Your ridiculous notion of 'leading by example' is basically negated by the principle that capitalists require workers to make profits. We can't all be capitalists; someone has to do the actual productive work.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
I gave the example before, if we had a truly free market, we would have an electric car on the road RIGHT NOW. A very cheap, silent one has been made. Know what stands in its way? Regulations that make it too inconvenient to own due to very high restrictions on where it can be operated, in most cases making its use illegal altogether. Why do you think that is?
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
Electric cars will kill trillions in oil company capitalists' profits. Capitalism is about profits and it will do anything to keep making em'. Capitalist banks know this so they don't fund this and don't want this.
Any society based on a profit motive and not on human needs is doomed to eliminate itself.
a society that sacrifices humans and their neccesities for profits will eventually die.
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago
This is what I was getting at: those who stand to lose in the game use government to ensure that their new competition is stifled. This is precisely why regulation and government stands in the way of advancement.
It's not a question of funding, the cars have already been developed. Look up the ZENN car.
This is not a free market. It's not laissez-faire capitalism. Ironically, it's more socialist than anything.
beejusbeejus 3 years ago
7:10 you said "unemployment to discipline wage-slaves"
i would suggest unemployment as an effect of capitalist crisis of overproduction and the contradiction of bare wages and underconsumption, followed by a credit crisis that blows the lid wide open, when no profit is made, complete bankruptcy and everything catches up leading to a domino effect of the likes we're seeing now, 159,000 jobs lost in septemeber alone and even more to come mervyn's just went bust this week and more are coming!
paulsonofabitch 3 years ago
The reason that slave ownership was becoming more benign is because the culture was realizing how disgusting it is. Same thing happened with industrial wage-slavery.
AnarchyIsForMe 3 years ago
The reason chattel slaves' life improved in the 19th century is due to the banning of the international slave trade, thus forcing slave-owners to care more for the well-being of their slaves, since they could no longer afford to work their slaves to death (often literally) for 3-5 years and then replace them.
Irtidad 3 years ago
The banning greatly contributed, because the conditions under which slaves could exploit paternalism were magnified (i.e. regulated slavery like regulated capitalism improves conditions). But most American slaves were provided by natural population growth, not importation & though not much info exists about slave heights in the 18th century, there's evidence of increased meat intake in the last quarter of the 18th century &higher living standards among American slaves than European wage laborers
mr1001nights 3 years ago
KenCat1337 3 years ago 10
Excellent video. The further you are down the corporate ladder, the more you are exploited. The further you move up, the more you exploit others. No-one wins. Let's do away with this dog-eat-dog rat race once and for all.
graaaaaagh 3 years ago 15