I think our news media has been using computer generated imagery to simulate events for quite awhile. Just that this capability exists should make people overly skeptical of what they're seeing.
My thoughts exactly on "Watergate", we are given these 'movies' or 'myths' that are supposed to describe how reality works, but it is all pageantry. 9/11 is a movie. Many of the "victims" appear to simulations.
Conspiracy Culture in general is just another layer of the movie. The world is a stage.
@AnaLimaLuiza i think capitalism IS going to have to end though. its amazing "we agree" to a system (capitalism) where technology which is INTENTIONALLY obsolete, and a system which promotes consumption of a FINITE number of resources.
My english is very poor., I'm sorry. For me, Boudrillard ideas are correct, but, I feel not confortable when the exemples used are focused in captalism and in the present only. In my waek opinion, the humanity existence are in the same pattern since the time of life en caves: religion, myths, gods always provided scenaries, mental structures, simulacres. Lets open our minds and try to understand the humanity and not using ideas to defend political positions. Simulacre's idea culd be a simlacre?
lol @ your argument being shitty and pretentious in such a perfect unison that it has become, through your practice, editing, and reproduction of your argument, a hyper real expression of shitty pretension.
Reality is the full being of existence; perception is a narrowed insight of what reality is; complete reality in my opinion is non-existent -- even for the most high powered. And reality tends to extend with consciousness and presence. Reality cannot be altered -- it is the real. Perception can be manipulated by tricks, lies, illusions, warping "modes" of thought, energy, emotional/mental states, "personal setting" (i.e. you personal configuring your own perception for a specific use/goal),etc.
so the question now becomes, Is my existence purely subjective and everyone is but a figment,ready to be molded by my perception into my self created reality?or do we all exist subjectively together,creating a common reality as one for all ?
@jhonnymock: No, the message is that your reality is created for you by other men, for the purpose of control over you by these men. The conclusion is to create your own realities while disintermediating all of the techniques that other men use in order to distance you from those realities, such as TV, Radio, "education", "culture", advertising, internet, etc.
@globalbeehive then by this logic we are doomed....for those who create my reality are those who have no clue what it truly is . singing their ignorance in unison making it impossible for one to be heard among the masses; '' the earth is round''..I shout ,but I am met with fear and hate are at my every turn, disgusted faces.
@jhonnymock: We are doomed if we continue to let people, who we do not know and trust, create our realities for us. When we allow this, any reality is possible, especially when those creating that reality have no moral code. The key is to control our reality, and to only allow those that we know and trust create our reality for us. Hence, why do we allow corporate video games, TV, News, Internet, public "education", corporate published books, etc. into our lives and into our view of reality?
@globalbeehive how could the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances. For generations the hypnotic mechanism has been modified and updated , double coating the masses with madness till you cant distinguish between your own free will and illusion. They have infiltrated all of our information making the act of deciding obsolete. How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old.
@jhonnymock ; Your point is an excellent one... "how can the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances". I agree with this point completely, as it accurate describes our present day condition.
However, I do not understand your last sentence: "How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old?" Please expand on this for me.
what i meant was,in human history,the biggest changes on this planet (positive or negative) have been obtained at the tip of a sword or iron fist, so my conclusion is a simple one, which caused more" change"or which was more effective,(pos.or neg.) martin luther king's speech?or martin luther king's assassination? some might be tempted to say his speech but my choice would be his assassination, His speech was undoubtedly significant to social change, but not as much as his loss?
I feel as if, without a doubt, each and everyone of us are subjected to the influence of one another, while at the same time, the whole is subjected to the overwhelming influence of the simulation in most cases.
I saw this book at the local barnes and nobel book store during finals time last semester and I thought, "hey its the philosophy section...when have I ever seen anyone in this section...I'll come back for it tomorrow." I went back for it, and it was gone.
@searchn4mytruth - unfortunately, the Matrix trilogy takes Baudrillard's work to a physical phantasm that Baudrillard scoffs at. The simulacrum is not some separate physical world, as presented in the movies, it is a merged hyperreality.
@searchn4mytruth - No. I'm saying that there are not two separate and distinct physical worlds, as the Matrix Trilogy tried to portray. We all live in the same physical world, but our perceptions of reality are controlled. See The Social Construction of Reality by Luckman & Berger as one reference that explains how social reality is created and managed. While their book is quite technical, there are shorter writings online by these authors that introduce the concept.
In essence your appying this is a dellusion, and were unaware that this world is an illusion? Physical world and a spiritual world? Im trying to get your logic or the
@searchn4mytruth - Oh, I'm not implying that the world that we live in is a delusion, I know it is. The Real has been Murdered, as Baudrillard would say, all of it, both spiritual and physical. We live in a world of crass materialism as defined by Marx & Engels. This is not nature, it is an empty void of "values" defined by Theodor Adorno's mass culture industry. I've uploaded a short video on the Construction of Reality, please take a look at that for starters.
@globalbeehiveit's it's all nature, chaos is inherit in all compounded things, your entire sensory engagement with materiality is delusory, you can read Baudrillard, Derrida, Adorno, Marx&Engels etc. until the cows come home, but the only way one can actually achieve anything of significance with regard to understanding the true nature of all views is by going to the very core ones being; take that as the starting point. Speculative intellectual inquiry cannot serve this purpose.
@globalbeehive there are a whole range of entheogenic compounds that could help you achieve this end in the short term, but personally I think the most satisfactory long term results are achieved without the assistance of ingested substances.
@BunnyHunter2 - Basically what Baudrillard is saying here is that real Socialism & Religions are being suppressed by the Simulacra that pretends to be Socialism & God. But these are not real, they are nothing more than copies of something that never existed. In order for real Socialism & Religion to emerge, a vacuum must exist where there is no Socialistic or Religious Simulacra. Hence, only in the death of the Simulacra, can the real emerge... the truth surface.
That makes perfect sence, it explains how the truth can only surface when a simulacra disapears. What cought my intrest was the dept of socialism in this sentence.
It was in "society of the spectacle" that Debord wrote "the more his life is now his product, the more he is separated from his life"
Now when I look at social at it's smallest it is al about image, norms and values. Now a person can only get free from his own simulacrum when his social dies. It is then that he can build himself.
@BunnyHunter2 - Yes, this is very insightful. The more ones life becomes a product, the more that that product becomes a Simulacrum in-and-of-itself.
I don't recall the exact quote, but I think it was Baudrillard who said that if we place importance on the purpose of our life, that that purpose will be co-opted, and controlled, by the social. I think this ties-in well with the development of a Simulacrum of self, for that Simulacrum will be shaped by the pressures of the social.
Which takes us to "Man or Machine" a hyperreal where the simulacrum of ourselves is controlling us, where our social is not controlled by "the man" but by an automat of simulacra, an always shifting uncontrollable flow of Simulacra controlling simulacra.. where the real never can be found again since there is no more.
A social simulacrum automat, in the space of flows. "the man"
May need some rewrites since it is a flow of thoughts ...
@BunnyHunter2 - I think one might be able to to argue that "the Simulacrum of ourselves" is already controlling "us", and that the social is also already controlled by an "automat of Simulacra", via a myriad of techniques of hyperreality creation and management.
However, your point is well taken, as the transhumanism that is upon us helps centralize control over the simulacra, while also distancing it from the "real" and therefore removing risk, making the future more inevitable and precise.
I think our news media has been using computer generated imagery to simulate events for quite awhile. Just that this capability exists should make people overly skeptical of what they're seeing.
My thoughts exactly on "Watergate", we are given these 'movies' or 'myths' that are supposed to describe how reality works, but it is all pageantry. 9/11 is a movie. Many of the "victims" appear to simulations.
Conspiracy Culture in general is just another layer of the movie. The world is a stage.
LifePsyop 1 month ago
No need of Baudrillard to such a simple concept and ideas.
End of the world is not end of capitalism. It is about making people not having a future. No future no need of concern.
"9/11 is impossible to capture as it really is."
Go for it man! It is a black and white event.
AnaLimaLuiza 3 months ago
@AnaLimaLuiza i think capitalism IS going to have to end though. its amazing "we agree" to a system (capitalism) where technology which is INTENTIONALLY obsolete, and a system which promotes consumption of a FINITE number of resources.
lee0122333 1 month ago
good interpretation
selvmordspilot 4 months ago
My english is very poor., I'm sorry. For me, Boudrillard ideas are correct, but, I feel not confortable when the exemples used are focused in captalism and in the present only. In my waek opinion, the humanity existence are in the same pattern since the time of life en caves: religion, myths, gods always provided scenaries, mental structures, simulacres. Lets open our minds and try to understand the humanity and not using ideas to defend political positions. Simulacre's idea culd be a simlacre?
19481205 5 months ago
"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom."
— Michael Ellner
tonyfalca 5 months ago
Very nice ..... thank you :)
MsPennyDrop 10 months ago
is this your real voice? You are an information highway and a pseudo intellectual.
Lithium8404 1 year ago
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Lithium8404 1 year ago
lol @ your argument being shitty and pretentious in such a perfect unison that it has become, through your practice, editing, and reproduction of your argument, a hyper real expression of shitty pretension.
zapruderINC 1 year ago
next read Alain Badiou
randomJer1337 1 year ago
Reality is the full being of existence; perception is a narrowed insight of what reality is; complete reality in my opinion is non-existent -- even for the most high powered. And reality tends to extend with consciousness and presence. Reality cannot be altered -- it is the real. Perception can be manipulated by tricks, lies, illusions, warping "modes" of thought, energy, emotional/mental states, "personal setting" (i.e. you personal configuring your own perception for a specific use/goal),etc.
ThaTrillMagician 1 year ago
so the question now becomes, Is my existence purely subjective and everyone is but a figment,ready to be molded by my perception into my self created reality?or do we all exist subjectively together,creating a common reality as one for all ?
jhonnymock 1 year ago 5
@jhonnymock: No, the message is that your reality is created for you by other men, for the purpose of control over you by these men. The conclusion is to create your own realities while disintermediating all of the techniques that other men use in order to distance you from those realities, such as TV, Radio, "education", "culture", advertising, internet, etc.
globalbeehive 1 year ago
@globalbeehive then by this logic we are doomed....for those who create my reality are those who have no clue what it truly is . singing their ignorance in unison making it impossible for one to be heard among the masses; '' the earth is round''..I shout ,but I am met with fear and hate are at my every turn, disgusted faces.
jhonnymock 11 months ago
@jhonnymock: We are doomed if we continue to let people, who we do not know and trust, create our realities for us. When we allow this, any reality is possible, especially when those creating that reality have no moral code. The key is to control our reality, and to only allow those that we know and trust create our reality for us. Hence, why do we allow corporate video games, TV, News, Internet, public "education", corporate published books, etc. into our lives and into our view of reality?
globalbeehive 11 months ago
@globalbeehive how could the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances. For generations the hypnotic mechanism has been modified and updated , double coating the masses with madness till you cant distinguish between your own free will and illusion. They have infiltrated all of our information making the act of deciding obsolete. How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old.
jhonnymock 11 months ago
@jhonnymock ; Your point is an excellent one... "how can the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances". I agree with this point completely, as it accurate describes our present day condition.
However, I do not understand your last sentence: "How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old?" Please expand on this for me.
globalbeehive 10 months ago
@globalbeehive
what i meant was,in human history,the biggest changes on this planet (positive or negative) have been obtained at the tip of a sword or iron fist, so my conclusion is a simple one, which caused more" change"or which was more effective,(pos.or neg.) martin luther king's speech?or martin luther king's assassination? some might be tempted to say his speech but my choice would be his assassination, His speech was undoubtedly significant to social change, but not as much as his loss?
jhonnymock 5 months ago
@jhonnymock
I feel as if, without a doubt, each and everyone of us are subjected to the influence of one another, while at the same time, the whole is subjected to the overwhelming influence of the simulation in most cases.
tonyfalca 5 months ago
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learntwostruggle 1 year ago
Hey, I like your videos! :)
FleshMob 1 year ago
I saw this book at the local barnes and nobel book store during finals time last semester and I thought, "hey its the philosophy section...when have I ever seen anyone in this section...I'll come back for it tomorrow." I went back for it, and it was gone.
grandmasterqz 1 year ago
saw the name of this book on the Matrix movie.
searchn4mytruth 1 year ago
@searchn4mytruth - unfortunately, the Matrix trilogy takes Baudrillard's work to a physical phantasm that Baudrillard scoffs at. The simulacrum is not some separate physical world, as presented in the movies, it is a merged hyperreality.
globalbeehive 1 year ago
Are you saying that Mind and spirit has to join to be one and it lives in an alternate reality or universe?
searchn4mytruth 1 year ago
@searchn4mytruth - No. I'm saying that there are not two separate and distinct physical worlds, as the Matrix Trilogy tried to portray. We all live in the same physical world, but our perceptions of reality are controlled. See The Social Construction of Reality by Luckman & Berger as one reference that explains how social reality is created and managed. While their book is quite technical, there are shorter writings online by these authors that introduce the concept.
globalbeehive 1 year ago
In essence your appying this is a dellusion, and were unaware that this world is an illusion? Physical world and a spiritual world? Im trying to get your logic or the
searchn4mytruth 1 year ago
@searchn4mytruth - Oh, I'm not implying that the world that we live in is a delusion, I know it is. The Real has been Murdered, as Baudrillard would say, all of it, both spiritual and physical. We live in a world of crass materialism as defined by Marx & Engels. This is not nature, it is an empty void of "values" defined by Theodor Adorno's mass culture industry. I've uploaded a short video on the Construction of Reality, please take a look at that for starters.
globalbeehive 1 year ago 4
@globalbeehiveit's it's all nature, chaos is inherit in all compounded things, your entire sensory engagement with materiality is delusory, you can read Baudrillard, Derrida, Adorno, Marx&Engels etc. until the cows come home, but the only way one can actually achieve anything of significance with regard to understanding the true nature of all views is by going to the very core ones being; take that as the starting point. Speculative intellectual inquiry cannot serve this purpose.
digimaton 1 year ago
@digimaton - tell me how to get to this core? I'm open.
globalbeehive 1 year ago
@globalbeehive there are a whole range of entheogenic compounds that could help you achieve this end in the short term, but personally I think the most satisfactory long term results are achieved without the assistance of ingested substances.
digimaton 1 year ago
How do you think about:
"It is of the death of social that socialism will emerge, as it is from the death of god that religions emerge." p.26
I thought it was a very intresting sentence, and I took my own interpretation from it. it can be read on martijnhouben com
BunnyHunter2 2 years ago
@BunnyHunter2 - Basically what Baudrillard is saying here is that real Socialism & Religions are being suppressed by the Simulacra that pretends to be Socialism & God. But these are not real, they are nothing more than copies of something that never existed. In order for real Socialism & Religion to emerge, a vacuum must exist where there is no Socialistic or Religious Simulacra. Hence, only in the death of the Simulacra, can the real emerge... the truth surface.
Does that make sense?
globalbeehive 2 years ago
That makes perfect sence, it explains how the truth can only surface when a simulacra disapears. What cought my intrest was the dept of socialism in this sentence.
It was in "society of the spectacle" that Debord wrote "the more his life is now his product, the more he is separated from his life"
Now when I look at social at it's smallest it is al about image, norms and values. Now a person can only get free from his own simulacrum when his social dies. It is then that he can build himself.
BunnyHunter2 2 years ago
@BunnyHunter2 - Yes, this is very insightful. The more ones life becomes a product, the more that that product becomes a Simulacrum in-and-of-itself.
I don't recall the exact quote, but I think it was Baudrillard who said that if we place importance on the purpose of our life, that that purpose will be co-opted, and controlled, by the social. I think this ties-in well with the development of a Simulacrum of self, for that Simulacrum will be shaped by the pressures of the social.
globalbeehive 2 years ago
Which takes us to "Man or Machine" a hyperreal where the simulacrum of ourselves is controlling us, where our social is not controlled by "the man" but by an automat of simulacra, an always shifting uncontrollable flow of Simulacra controlling simulacra.. where the real never can be found again since there is no more.
A social simulacrum automat, in the space of flows. "the man"
May need some rewrites since it is a flow of thoughts ...
BunnyHunter2 2 years ago
@BunnyHunter2 - I think one might be able to to argue that "the Simulacrum of ourselves" is already controlling "us", and that the social is also already controlled by an "automat of Simulacra", via a myriad of techniques of hyperreality creation and management.
However, your point is well taken, as the transhumanism that is upon us helps centralize control over the simulacra, while also distancing it from the "real" and therefore removing risk, making the future more inevitable and precise.
globalbeehive 2 years ago
I love that book : ]
U have to think about it while you read it.
Tosh220 2 years ago 6
France Is a difficult country to govern.
declan3906 2 years ago