I am really excited to check out the P938 at Sig"s booth during the NRA convention. If the street prices on those are reasonable I might consider it for an alternative ccw option. But still will wait for the TNP review before I pick it up =)>
(I said this in the comments to the Sig P224 Gunwebsites video. But I have to repeat it here.
The Sig P224 is like Sig's answer to the Glock 26/27, albeit 18 years after the fact.) I could see if I had a full size Sig as a duty pistol. It would make a good backup if you can deal with the bulk & weight comfortably in your system. If a police dept issues Sig models & you make promotion to plain clothes maybe the P224 would be a good choice. I bet it would be a lot easier to carry in your suit!
I don't see the P224 as being a bad concealed carry gun...its not as thin as a .380 because it ISN'T a .380. For those of us who would like more stopping power, this would be a nice option...it appears to be a revisit to the P226 compact style...chopped-down full frame pistol. There are advantages to that.
After skimming the comments it appears the vast majority of people don't understand the P224. It is specifically directed toward people who have the 229 as a duty weapon (and there's a lot of them) and are looking for a back up or off duty pistol. Think Glock 22/23/27 and magazine compatibility.
@NWguy83 Hopefully they don't have their heads so far up their asses that they'll kill an entire product line based on one poorly done youtube review...
From what I can tell, nutnfancy's two objections to the P224 are: 1. too thick 2. double action. Those are both matters of personal taste.
Is the main problem w/ the P224 the DAK? If so, I agree, and have no intention of getting that version. I prefer the DA/SA model, and according to their site they will be coming out with those later. I currently have an M&P compact so the thickness is not an issue for me, especially if this pistol gives me what I have been lacking w/ mine...reliability!
@NWguy83 Regarding the weight, again, negligible difference between P224 weight & M&P Compact, or Glock 27/26 weight for that matter all 4 are w/in 2-3 ozs. of each other w/o mag. They could definitely do better on the pricing, but as far as form factor goes, not much difference to speak of... Keep in mind Glock comes w/ plastic sights, Sig comes w/ steel night sights, justified weight diff, IMO.
I like the p224 style, but at $1k+ msrp it sucks. not a conceal gun but nice looking and probably fun to shoot. better looking than the p226 (IMO) though i've never been a super fan of the p226 design, always looked kinda weird proportionately.
Good video. I am in total agreement of your analysis of the P238. I had one for a while, and put around 1,000 rounds through it. I also agree that the P938 will sell well. I disagree about the P224, though. It's a nice carry option for Sig lovers who would otherwise have to choose a sub compact Glock, or M&P C for a gun of that size. It's a nice off duty/backup option for LEO's who carry full size Sigs on duty, as well- provided Sig puts a DA/SA trigger in it (same manual of arms).
The question is, Understanding the differences, battery of arms, and trigger types will the P938 be a better option than the kahr pm9? We'll have to see.
curious..do you not think the p.224 might be an alternative to the sig faithful that might otherwise have gone with a subcompact glock?...erm...dispite the price diff..?
An slightly up-sized P238? Basically a sub-compact 1911 in 9mm. It's been done before, I think, but that doesn't mean that this iteration won't be awesome. It looks like it will, and I almost want one. If you like 1911's and are familiar with them, as you said, this would be right up your alley. Me, I lean toward the DAO's with no manual safeties, not sure I want a battery of arms for pocket carry that's a bit more involved than that.
simple. only 2 d/a s/a sub compacts that i can think of. most the others you mention are compacts "Glock 23" size. why do we need a G27 then? its not that much smaller than a G23...
Whether it "sucks" for concealed carry depends entirely on your preferred carry method(s). Sure, most people like you and me want thin - at least for IWB and SmartCarry. But for OWB, Fanny Pack/Maxpedition-type pack, or purse carry (women), a fat 2-stack but small gun like the 224 or say CZ RAMI is ideal. When I go OWB in winter, I run with a CZ or Bersa. When I go SmartCarry, IWB, or pocket carry, I run with something thinner - a C-Bob 1911 or Kahr - and yes the 938 looks great, I agree.
@revolverphantom yes, it does have an ambi safety. And I know how u feel being left handed. I have a p238 but I just deal with it... My favorite handgun I own. I think I would like the 938 even more knowing it has a Lil more power
Does the P938 have an ambi safety? Couldn't tell from the video. If so, I'll start saving right now. If not I'll have to sigh heavily. Damn my left-handedness.
Thanks for sharing! Just shared with a coworker your review on the Sig 2022 in hopes that he makes it his first Sig purchase, and hopefully mine too, soon.
I think you are on the money on the with the P938. No sure how long they will continue making the P290 either with the P938 out. A lot of people will like the single action trigger, including me. I curious as to what the trigger weight is?
@MrJwedge You're confusing opinion as fact. Stating that Sigs are more reliable than Glocks is an opinion. As is calling Glocks safety unsafe. The gun won't go off if A. it's holstered B. you keep your finger out of the triggerguard until you're ready to shoot. If it goes off any other time it's because of a lack of training+negligence. You may hate polymer but that doesn't mean polymer guns are unreliable. Not trying to argue, I just don't agree with how you perceive the various manufacturers.
That 938 is very nice. Not a fan of .380 so the larger caliber is appealing. As far as Glock vs Sig, believe what you want and shoot what you want but the simplicity and reliability of Glock is a industry standard. Sure they stumbled a little with the Gen 4 on introduction but the problems have been solved. I love Sig (hope to add a all German 228 to the collection) but I bet my life everyday with Glock, on duty and off.
@rainmechanic i dont think theres a better self defense trigger then a da/sa. glocks trigger is not as safe. its basically a single trigger with no thumb safety. thats why 1911s have thumb safeties. and youre trying to tell me dao is better then da/sa?
Your weapons handling is downright frightening- finger straight to trigger, no clear before pulling the trigger... And yes I know they are SUPPOSED to be without firing pin; that is not the point.
anyway, given the 224 will sell well enough- it's not much larger than a glock 27. And the price WILL be lower at the stores; you should know that Sig's MSRP is never the sale price.
why would I pick either of these over a Walther PPS or a Glock 26 when they are twice the price? I like sig a lot but $1200 is way to much for either of those the P938 should be $600 MSRP and the P224 should be more like $700 or $800 MSRP
I'm a CZ fan. Love my CZ P-01 as range gun, HD gun, and tactical handgun course gun. Been looking for a metal, sub-compact in 9mm and single stack. CZ, unfortunately has nothing like that in their line and I'm not a fan of polymer guns that other manufaturers offer in that size. That Sig P938 is calling to me to buy my first Sig. :)
@COLT45keith p229, p239 just two examples in sig's own lineup that compete with the p224. for competitors with similar dimensions and DA/SA: CZ 2075 RAMI. H&K P30. H&K USP Compact. Taurus 709. probably many others i missed. it's not like the sig p224 is some magical pistol with no peers that has a whole market to itself.
@nutnfancy i totally respect your opinion but i carry my p229 in the 4-5 oclock position and have no problem with width or weight. so to shorten a p229 barrel and grip and shave 5 ounces of weight makes me like it. and to be able to carry a p226/p229 spare mag is an added plus.
@1911GreaterThanALL i dont think polymer is unsafe i think safe action triggers are unsafe. i think sigs double action first pull is safer. if you are using a snap top holster or if clothing gets in a glock trigger guard its human nature to want to push harder to get the pistol into the holster and can cause an accidental discharge. not that it could happen with a sig but sigs DA 10lb long trigger and external hammer would allow you to see that something is wrong
@MrJwedge.....We get it..you like Sigs.. but your rationalizing when you try and make the argument that SA/DA is better then striker fired... Consistent trigger pull from first shot to last is probably the number one attribute of a consistent gun... Be it for defense or Competition...1911's..Glocks.. and the CZ75 platform with optional SAO dominate the the competition circut....Cooper's opinion on the matter was that DA/SA Auto was the absolute worst possible trigger group in a defensive pistol.
if anything presses tge trigger itll also press the safety and as light as glock triggers are you could have an AD. also nobody pays msrp for sigs unless youre an idiot. p224 will go for around 800-850 in "good" stores. also i cant believe you compared a s&w semi to a sig. they make the crappiest semiautos besides hipoint
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@ChubbyMcChuckle ill give the g26 the width advantage but it weighs less because its polymer(hate polymer) cheaper because there's no craftsmanship and its polymer(much cheaper to produce) and every glock is the same. sigs are more reliable then glocks and also have better sights. the "safe"action trigger glocks have are exactly the opposite, they are very unsafe and sig da/sa is much safer. to put a dumb plastic piece in the middle of tge trigger is stupid.
@MrJwedge I don't get your logic as to why Sigs are safer... Why do you think polymer is unsafe? I think you just love sigs because of the way they feel, battery of arm, etc. what makes a sig a sig - not because they are inherently are safer.
I own a G19 and a p220 but my favorite pistol of all time is of course the Kimber CDP.
@MrJwedge As you can reason from examining the actual function of that "dumb plastic piece" Glock markets it as a safety but in reality its just for aesthetics. Its sole purpose is to stop that trigger from moving in tandem with the slide as it is racked. NOT saying I don't like Glocks but if I may "just keep'in it real"
The G26 is just a chopped down full size G17/19 no? So how come the P224 gets no love for doing the same? I think the 938 will be amazing, but I heard it has a very high price.
I agree thinner is better, but the idea of a DA/SA short pistol with relatively high capacity is appealing to me. That Sig 224 is something I want to look at.
@robalan57 Exactly. Makes you wonder what Nutnfancy is thinking. I think the appeal of the 224 is obvious. I am sticking with Glocks, but there must be legions of Sig users who have been screaming for a pistol like this for years. And while I think the 938 deserves a closer look, it is too angular and sharp for pocket carry. I think most people who will end up carrying a 938 on a belt or IWB would be able to manage a 224 or any one of other great sub compacts and be better armed.
@ms3bani When people find something they like the price often gets paid. I bought a Kimber Ultra. That Sig P224 double stack gives 11+1 shots and it can handle larger magazines too. Plus I really like DA/SA. And it should be easy to carry in three of the four seasons.
NEVER Liked SIG Handguns, Too bulky, heavy, & all around stupid looking. MANY more options out there that are MUCH better value. I have a friend that works for I.C.E. they carry SIG's and she HATES that weapon!
@ChubbyMcChuckle its barely thicker then the p239 and gives you more rounds and allows the use of 229 magazines. those subcompacts you listed have limited firepower, worse sights, worse trigger and they cant compete with sig reliability.
@MrJwedge Glock G26 only has 1 less round, how is that limited? Plus it beats the P224 in width, weight & price. Concerning round count of others, that's a tradeoff for comfort/ease of concealment. Also, 7rds should be enough for 1-2 targets if not there's a problem with the shooter(plus, spare mags). Kahr/keltec may(not) need work, but Ruger and Walther(Smith & Wesson) are just as reliable, Sigs aren't indestructible. I dig sigs too but I only sip the koolaid, I don't chug it.
@nutnfancy FAIL!!!!! They're only about.... When did the Glock 26-27 come out(9+1-11+1 .40, 9/10+1-12+1 9mm)? And the XD SC(9+1 .40, 13+1 9mm), XDM-SC(11+1 .40, 13+1 9mm)? They've, SMARTLY, moved to the 1X-stack mags,i.e.G36, XDs. Sig is just throwing a chopped 226/9 on the market to see if anyone'll accept it as their 'Compact but with some capacity' pistol. The P938 is where they need to direct advertising budget, NOT P224.. Too much size, not enough capability(Light Rail, namely).
@nutnfancy I guess if you CCW an old smith and wesson 4516 like me, I guess the choice of caring a p224 would be a good option. It might be lighter than my 33 oz 4516 lol. Id like to see how both shoot, test away Nutn!
I also think the p224 will not be too hot! Although for an on the belt carry piece for some one who loves the regular size sigs it may do well! But the price is far too high! Especially when a p226 is much more affordable! The P938 is an awesome idea and I plan on owning one when they become available! A 9mm carry gun that I assume shoots well and is single action makes for a very accurate, easy to shoot concealable gun! I love single action semi-autos!
Sometimes you have to tell it like it is! A single stack P224 might have been very sweet- the P938 well I believe my P238 is going to need a big brother!
@Composer1777 THANK YOU! It's like people take a new video as a INSULT and go into "how can I down that vid/weapon/BRAND?", and they'll figure out a way! I took down ALL my vid's this Fall, actually I did add a few, but not trying to draw attention.... just decided SCREW it, I'll make more vids if I wanna make more vid's, I'll just turn the 'Approve All Comments' feature on! Ya'll keep enjoying Shot, I'll keep enjoying the vid's!
The P938 looks swell and all but I doubt Sig will be getting any of my money until they work out their QC issues. I've seen them churn some guns out that should have never left the factory.
why would anyone bother with the p224 when the p250 is available. what exactly is the p224 bringing to the table that is compelling over the p250 or other sigs?
@ms3bani lol good one. But I already have p226s, p229s, and a p239 and will never buy a polymer hand gun. The shorter grip and double stack mag will make a lot of people take a closer look at it. The P938 is cute too, but I live in a safety free home... :)
I am amazed at how easily Nutn dismisses the P224, while bowing at the alter of Kel Tec. I have never seen a Kel Tec that could get through a box of ammo without a jam. The P224 is Sig's long overdue answer to the baby Glocks, sub-compact M&P's, etc. There are lots of cops and soldiers carrying the P226/P229 platforms that might be attracted by the magazine compatibility and familiar handling characteristics of a sub-compact version. Shouldn't you at least shoot it before you dismiss it?
@TheFlamethrowerGuy He's just stating that he sees no reason for wanting one. If you're going to make gun smaller, and lose many of the benefits that come with full-sized pistols, then go all of the way. That thing is too fat, and there are a countless amount of designs that simply beat it when it comes to concealability. It doesn't matter if it shoots great, the pistol does not add anything to the market to validate its existence.
@palerider1775 Well, I don't want one, but I can imagine that it might appeal to some people. It fills the exact same "POU" as the baby Glocks. There are those that don't care for poly frames or striker-fired operation. The P224 fits into that niche. The P938 looks interesting, but it gives up power and capacity that the 224 retains and the SAO system isn't for everyone. I am a Glock guy, I don't really care. Just seems like Nutn is getting a bit capricious as time goes by.
@TheFlamethrowerGuy p224 does not bring anything compelling to the table vs the existing p229, p239, or p250. the niche it fits in is already filled by those already existing and well proven sig products.
I would take more manufacturing visits then booth reviews @nutnfancy does a good job getting the best out of the booth reviews, I think manufacturer visits would be to places that would be interested in having nutnfancy and would be without distraction. Thanks for making a quality product nutnfancy
@MrJwedge He's just saying the thickness on the P224 makes it suck for CCW, also the P239 is not $1200. In his P239 vid all he really said was that there were better options. The same holds true for the P224. You could get a Glock 26 that would be about the same dimensions and capacity but weighs less and is about half the price and there are even better options than that for CCW 9's: Ruger LC9, Keltec PF9, Kahr CW9 and as I said the one I'm interested in the Walther PPS. $1200 = an AR-15 etc.
I agree with you on the P224, biggest problem IMHO is that it's a bit heavy. However, it may fall into what I call an "acquired taste". Some will like it & others not.I played around with the trigger at the SHOT show on Wed. and was able to confirm the short reset on the DAK trigger. Yes the first pull is long, but that is similar the DA pull on other SIGs, the second pull is much shorter. I agree with you 100% on the P938, looks like a winner for SIG. Thanks for your comments. :-)
Part of me is bumbed that we are not allowed to CC in Canada but the the "OCD research everything till the cows come home before you buy anything" part of me makes me sooooo thankful! haha.
At a glance the P224 looks like a more expensive P250. They took everything I hate about the P250(which is essentially everything) and turned it into a pricey/bulkey all stainless pistol. Theres a good reason they can't give p250's away these days, and I commonly see new prices lower and lower(sub 400 dollars these days), hopefully they change it up before the market floods with these P224's.
@m3bani Your response makes absolutely no sense. Thank you for informing me that "kahrs sell extremely well", I was not aware of this. And no, a striker fired pistol(kahr) with a much lower grip/bore axis, crisper trigger, and reasonable reset is not a p250. Talk to someone whose owned one(me for example), and unless they're an old revolver hound they probably hated the gun. Compare a Kahr to a Glock or an M&P or even an XD but(any striker fire really), but not a Sig, not even close.
@mackm1885 i'm a kahr owner, so i have some perspective. marginally (debatable) better trigger doesn't compensate for overall poorer ergonomics. kahr feels like your hand sits "on" the gun, the sig your hand feels like it sits "in" the gun. huge difference. "reasonable reset"? LOL! reset is ALL the way released of the 35 mile trigger pull. slightly lower bore axis doesnt stop the kahr from significant muzzle flip -- it's a lighter gun. the kahr doesnt feel like it justifies the price.
@ms3bani it sounds like the grass is always greener on the other side of the gun fence, and that I should go get a kahr and you should go buy a p250. The trigger pull on the p250 is laughable, and its a full reset to recycle the weapon. Screw it, i'm gonna get another glock. Either way I won't be buying a P224.
I was excited when Nutn went to gunnies and there was mention of a 9mm P238. the idea that we would get something along the lines of a Springfield EMP but at a reasonable price(P238 for around $600). Hello P938. My understanding though is that P938 MSRP is going to be in the $800 ballpark. Very disappointing. Hoping street price will be closer to P238 but not going to hold my breath. Right now everything is pushing me towards a Walther PPS
Nut, I'm disappointed but not surprised by your assessment of the P224. As a person who is considering carry gun options with a particular format I think the P224 may fit needs of many users. I'm looking for a classic hammer fired DA/SA with decocer and no safety that can hold more than 10 rounds of 9mm. I've owned a Sig for over 10 yrs and love their batery of arms. I would prefer that my carry gun have the same setup I'm used to. Also I have big hand and do not like the feel of pocket guns
@MrElektrolyt Yes, but all firearms at shot show have the firing pins removed. It was the same way when I went to the NRA convention last year but out of habit I still always checked.
Let me say first I LOVE Sig and I know those are only MSRP prices but even still Sig must be getting high from sniffing their own balls to think that the P224 going to be a competitive conceal carry option. There seem to be a few people in comments who are diggin' it, good luck with that.
@harveyts3 i agree with you i really like the p239 im just making a point that he said the p239 is great but now says the p224 sucks. i think the p224 is a much better choice for cc.
you yourself said the p239 is a great gun which is barely thinner and has a single stack mag with 5 rounds less capacity then a p229 and weighs 4 more ounces then the p224. i dont kniw how you justify that. also da/sa trigger in a subcompact with sig night sightts outbeats any tiny polymer dao gun with crappy sights in my book
@MrJwedge I have a p239 and carried it for years everyday. I love that guy in fact I have carried and shot it so much that it might be my favorite over all firearm in my collection just for sentimental reasons and it is awesome sig quality of coarse. With that said for EDC I will take my glock 26 over it any time. Sad to say that a little but it is true.
sorry nutnfancy but i disagree with you on the p224. i carry a p229 and dont have any problems with the size or weight. so making it 5 ounces lighter only two rounds less and still have classic da/sa operating system makes itt a win in my book. also you can use p229 magazines in it which is a plus. also it has all the function of a classic P series pistol in a sbcompact frame along with great sights.
I really don't understand why Sig keeps making these weird quirky sub compact but full width pistols, if you're going to do that, you might as well carry a full size pistol
Hmmm. I´m thinking this one will only attract Sig fanatics with a large budget. With all due respect to Sig for quality and enginuety, even they can´t strike homeruns every time.
I think the P224 is overpriced but it holds 11 9mm rounds and 10 in .40S&W/.357 SIG and a baby glock is in my opinion als thick so i don't see the problem.
Regardless of shooting or carrying it. Nutnfancy is right before this review I watched another demo of the sig224 and knew it was too thick it's like a glock 27. It's not necessarily pointless, but there are other slimmer and smarter options like the Kahr p or pm series, kel tec pf9 or p11, or the ruger lcp. $1000 for a subcompact carry gun???! No thanks! Hey @nwtipton I'm not sure why your commenting about the preon 0 in this vid, but to answer your question... Notice the decimal point .24 lum
Sig needs to stop screwing around with BS flashy models, niche guns (both pistol and rifle), and Chinese electronic accessories. They should concentrate on what they USED to do a good job doing, and that's building a high quality defensive pistol in basic black.
I like how its SHOT and the weapons are secured and the video just started and idiots are freaking out about Nutn dry firing without doing a brass check on camera....
FFS nutn, chamber check on the 224 before you pull the damn trigger. I know its shot show and they are 'supposed" to be cold guns, but that's gun safety 101. Firearms are always loaded guys. Anyway, you have the best coverage on YouTube on shot show. Good video.
I was very excited at the end of 2009 when everyone started releasing ultra compact 9mm's after the 380 market was flooded. I was convinced that sig would created a sized up p238, but was let down when they came out with the p290. Luckily they caught on, this p938 looks awsome and I anticipate I will buy one as soon as i get the chance to fondle one. Awsome move sig!
screw that 1k for a stomic pumper i will just buy a ruger lcp but i prefer a 1911 in a shoulder holster at least thats a gun that is more reliable and proven. sept for the tarus 1911 that gun is defective
The P224 looks like a gun made for the poor bastards in California and Mass. that are stuck with smaller capacity mags.
SIG is high if they think they're going to sell many of these at $1100+. I'm betting they'll drop the P224 to $950 before long, which means dealers will let them go for $850. However, Nutn could be right, the P224 could tank and get discontinued in a hurry like the P245.
Either way, I bet we see the death of the P224 or P239. There's not enough room for the two of 'em.
SIG P224 comparison to Glock 26/27/33: P224 is HEAVIER, THICKER, WIDER, TALLER, and COSTLIER. So...why did SIG even introduce it? Makes no sense to me.
P938 = Mustang = Lose
carlb86 9 hours ago
I am really excited to check out the P938 at Sig"s booth during the NRA convention. If the street prices on those are reasonable I might consider it for an alternative ccw option. But still will wait for the TNP review before I pick it up =)>
Belushi32 1 day ago
(I said this in the comments to the Sig P224 Gunwebsites video. But I have to repeat it here.
The Sig P224 is like Sig's answer to the Glock 26/27, albeit 18 years after the fact.) I could see if I had a full size Sig as a duty pistol. It would make a good backup if you can deal with the bulk & weight comfortably in your system. If a police dept issues Sig models & you make promotion to plain clothes maybe the P224 would be a good choice. I bet it would be a lot easier to carry in your suit!
Belushi32 1 day ago
The 224 simply costs tooo much. He is right . It cant compete with the other manufacturers at that price. I like the Springfield XD S better.
daf3625 1 day ago
I don't see the P224 as being a bad concealed carry gun...its not as thin as a .380 because it ISN'T a .380. For those of us who would like more stopping power, this would be a nice option...it appears to be a revisit to the P226 compact style...chopped-down full frame pistol. There are advantages to that.
dafunkmonster 6 days ago
After skimming the comments it appears the vast majority of people don't understand the P224. It is specifically directed toward people who have the 229 as a duty weapon (and there's a lot of them) and are looking for a back up or off duty pistol. Think Glock 22/23/27 and magazine compatibility.
clayivey 1 week ago
cant wait to see the 938 i own a 238 for my cc and love it cant wait to see how the 938 compares
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Shouldn't you of safety checked each of those pistols Nutn' before dry firing them? Safety first!............. = D
RaaronR 2 weeks ago
@RaaronR I agree! Don't forget your safety checks before pulling the trigger.
shoes121255 2 weeks ago
i hope the guys at Sig watch your video Nutnfancy. Maybe they will kill the P224 before it hits the shelves, if it hasnt already.
NWguy83 2 weeks ago
@NWguy83 Hopefully they don't have their heads so far up their asses that they'll kill an entire product line based on one poorly done youtube review...
From what I can tell, nutnfancy's two objections to the P224 are: 1. too thick 2. double action. Those are both matters of personal taste.
dafunkmonster 6 days ago
@dafunkmonster Those 2 things are just nails in the coffin... The coffin itself is the price.
NWguy83 5 days ago
@NWguy83 People who buy Sigs aren't usually bothered by high prices.
Chitown1911 5 days ago
Is the main problem w/ the P224 the DAK? If so, I agree, and have no intention of getting that version. I prefer the DA/SA model, and according to their site they will be coming out with those later. I currently have an M&P compact so the thickness is not an issue for me, especially if this pistol gives me what I have been lacking w/ mine...reliability!
VeracityNation 2 weeks ago
@VeracityNation the weight and the price are the main cons against this gun. the width is debatable.
NWguy83 2 weeks ago
@NWguy83 Regarding the weight, again, negligible difference between P224 weight & M&P Compact, or Glock 27/26 weight for that matter all 4 are w/in 2-3 ozs. of each other w/o mag. They could definitely do better on the pricing, but as far as form factor goes, not much difference to speak of... Keep in mind Glock comes w/ plastic sights, Sig comes w/ steel night sights, justified weight diff, IMO.
VeracityNation 2 weeks ago
I like it. Having said that, I haven't held one. Will not shoot it down yet. I own a p229 and like the "battery of arms"
jordub 2 weeks ago
apparently they're not calling it a carry gun, but a chopped down duty gun.
jimmyhoffa9 2 weeks ago
I like the p224 style, but at $1k+ msrp it sucks. not a conceal gun but nice looking and probably fun to shoot. better looking than the p226 (IMO) though i've never been a super fan of the p226 design, always looked kinda weird proportionately.
jimmyhoffa9 2 weeks ago
Another 'to the point' review. Sig flipped there wig with the size & price of the p224. Give me that XDs .45acp :)
Hoffa3381 3 weeks ago
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Good video. I am in total agreement of your analysis of the P238. I had one for a while, and put around 1,000 rounds through it. I also agree that the P938 will sell well. I disagree about the P224, though. It's a nice carry option for Sig lovers who would otherwise have to choose a sub compact Glock, or M&P C for a gun of that size. It's a nice off duty/backup option for LEO's who carry full size Sigs on duty, as well- provided Sig puts a DA/SA trigger in it (same manual of arms).
-RaspyGA
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RaspyGA 3 weeks ago
The question is, Understanding the differences, battery of arms, and trigger types will the P938 be a better option than the kahr pm9? We'll have to see.
jason12085 3 weeks ago
curious..do you not think the p.224 might be an alternative to the sig faithful that might otherwise have gone with a subcompact glock?...erm...dispite the price diff..?
gurney85 3 weeks ago
Not liking the P 224 sure people out there that will, P239 looking like a mini me 1911 in 9 mm
will sell more, I prefer my G23, nice honest review
splinterman9 3 weeks ago
An slightly up-sized P238? Basically a sub-compact 1911 in 9mm. It's been done before, I think, but that doesn't mean that this iteration won't be awesome. It looks like it will, and I almost want one. If you like 1911's and are familiar with them, as you said, this would be right up your alley. Me, I lean toward the DAO's with no manual safeties, not sure I want a battery of arms for pocket carry that's a bit more involved than that.
DemonHide 4 weeks ago
simple. only 2 d/a s/a sub compacts that i can think of. most the others you mention are compacts "Glock 23" size. why do we need a G27 then? its not that much smaller than a G23...
COLT45keith 4 weeks ago
Whether it "sucks" for concealed carry depends entirely on your preferred carry method(s). Sure, most people like you and me want thin - at least for IWB and SmartCarry. But for OWB, Fanny Pack/Maxpedition-type pack, or purse carry (women), a fat 2-stack but small gun like the 224 or say CZ RAMI is ideal. When I go OWB in winter, I run with a CZ or Bersa. When I go SmartCarry, IWB, or pocket carry, I run with something thinner - a C-Bob 1911 or Kahr - and yes the 938 looks great, I agree.
DrTadHusseinWinslow 1 month ago
I 3 the 200 series.
jody647 1 month ago
@revolverphantom yes, it does have an ambi safety. And I know how u feel being left handed. I have a p238 but I just deal with it... My favorite handgun I own. I think I would like the 938 even more knowing it has a Lil more power
toddn350 1 month ago
nutnfancy nailed it. the p938 is going to fly off dealer shelves, the p224 is going to rust on dealer shelves.
ms3bani 1 month ago
Does the P938 have an ambi safety? Couldn't tell from the video. If so, I'll start saving right now. If not I'll have to sigh heavily. Damn my left-handedness.
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sosballsy 1 month ago
A new nutnfancy video concept: when keepin it real goes wrong! Nutn makin a shot show host cry!
OfficerPaterFamilias 1 month ago
I absoluyely LOVE my Sig P238, and now it'll have a big brother as soon as I can get my hands on a P938.
MThrow 1 month ago
The 938 is looking good and I do hope you are able to do a review on this gun. I like the slim design of the 938 and it is in 9mm...very nice.
xtremearmor 1 month ago
Talk about a tiny 9mm. I would love to handle the 938!
350cutlassrocket 1 month ago
Thanks for sharing! Just shared with a coworker your review on the Sig 2022 in hopes that he makes it his first Sig purchase, and hopefully mine too, soon.
ArmedVegan 1 month ago
I think you are on the money on the with the P938. No sure how long they will continue making the P290 either with the P938 out. A lot of people will like the single action trigger, including me. I curious as to what the trigger weight is?
FirearmPatriot 1 month ago
wow, 224 is not for me... is that a two finger gun?
TheWhmaxwell 1 month ago
@MrJwedge You're confusing opinion as fact. Stating that Sigs are more reliable than Glocks is an opinion. As is calling Glocks safety unsafe. The gun won't go off if A. it's holstered B. you keep your finger out of the triggerguard until you're ready to shoot. If it goes off any other time it's because of a lack of training+negligence. You may hate polymer but that doesn't mean polymer guns are unreliable. Not trying to argue, I just don't agree with how you perceive the various manufacturers.
ChubbyMcChuckle 1 month ago 2
That 938 is very nice. Not a fan of .380 so the larger caliber is appealing. As far as Glock vs Sig, believe what you want and shoot what you want but the simplicity and reliability of Glock is a industry standard. Sure they stumbled a little with the Gen 4 on introduction but the problems have been solved. I love Sig (hope to add a all German 228 to the collection) but I bet my life everyday with Glock, on duty and off.
mudyfronty05 1 month ago
@rainmechanic i dont think theres a better self defense trigger then a da/sa. glocks trigger is not as safe. its basically a single trigger with no thumb safety. thats why 1911s have thumb safeties. and youre trying to tell me dao is better then da/sa?
MrJwedge 1 month ago
Your weapons handling is downright frightening- finger straight to trigger, no clear before pulling the trigger... And yes I know they are SUPPOSED to be without firing pin; that is not the point.
anyway, given the 224 will sell well enough- it's not much larger than a glock 27. And the price WILL be lower at the stores; you should know that Sig's MSRP is never the sale price.
naterw21 1 month ago
why would I pick either of these over a Walther PPS or a Glock 26 when they are twice the price? I like sig a lot but $1200 is way to much for either of those the P938 should be $600 MSRP and the P224 should be more like $700 or $800 MSRP
P226nut 1 month ago
I'm usually not a big fan of small guns like the p938 and the XDS 3.3, but this year I think that is going to change because of those guns.
Delta82 1 month ago
I'm a CZ fan. Love my CZ P-01 as range gun, HD gun, and tactical handgun course gun. Been looking for a metal, sub-compact in 9mm and single stack. CZ, unfortunately has nothing like that in their line and I'm not a fan of polymer guns that other manufaturers offer in that size. That Sig P938 is calling to me to buy my first Sig. :)
darmog 1 month ago
Sig, some nice stuff but I work for a 'livin so there is nothing in their line I can/want to afford.
BerettaM9USAF 1 month ago
really like the 238 the recoil is not bad like the 938 to just wondering how much recoil the gun has
Justreview1 1 month ago
for people hating on the 224. what options do you have in D/A S/A sub compacts???
Beretta PX4 and uhh???
COLT45keith 1 month ago
@COLT45keith p229, p239 just two examples in sig's own lineup that compete with the p224. for competitors with similar dimensions and DA/SA: CZ 2075 RAMI. H&K P30. H&K USP Compact. Taurus 709. probably many others i missed. it's not like the sig p224 is some magical pistol with no peers that has a whole market to itself.
ms3bani 1 month ago
I have never been a fan of sig. Shot a bunch of them just not my game.I would like to check out the P938 though.
deltaleader71 1 month ago
@nutnfancy i totally respect your opinion but i carry my p229 in the 4-5 oclock position and have no problem with width or weight. so to shorten a p229 barrel and grip and shave 5 ounces of weight makes me like it. and to be able to carry a p226/p229 spare mag is an added plus.
MrJwedge 1 month ago
@1911GreaterThanALL i dont think polymer is unsafe i think safe action triggers are unsafe. i think sigs double action first pull is safer. if you are using a snap top holster or if clothing gets in a glock trigger guard its human nature to want to push harder to get the pistol into the holster and can cause an accidental discharge. not that it could happen with a sig but sigs DA 10lb long trigger and external hammer would allow you to see that something is wrong
MrJwedge 1 month ago
@MrJwedge.....We get it..you like Sigs.. but your rationalizing when you try and make the argument that SA/DA is better then striker fired... Consistent trigger pull from first shot to last is probably the number one attribute of a consistent gun... Be it for defense or Competition...1911's..Glocks.. and the CZ75 platform with optional SAO dominate the the competition circut....Cooper's opinion on the matter was that DA/SA Auto was the absolute worst possible trigger group in a defensive pistol.
rainmechanic 1 month ago
crank that stank out Nutn!
vassal11 1 month ago
Man I want a 238 and now a 938
Brhine82 1 month ago
if anything presses tge trigger itll also press the safety and as light as glock triggers are you could have an AD. also nobody pays msrp for sigs unless youre an idiot. p224 will go for around 800-850 in "good" stores. also i cant believe you compared a s&w semi to a sig. they make the crappiest semiautos besides hipoint
MrJwedge 1 month ago
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@ChubbyMcChuckle ill give the g26 the width advantage but it weighs less because its polymer(hate polymer) cheaper because there's no craftsmanship and its polymer(much cheaper to produce) and every glock is the same. sigs are more reliable then glocks and also have better sights. the "safe"action trigger glocks have are exactly the opposite, they are very unsafe and sig da/sa is much safer. to put a dumb plastic piece in the middle of tge trigger is stupid.
MrJwedge 1 month ago
@MrJwedge Good comment, thanks
nutnfancy 1 month ago
@MrJwedge I don't get your logic as to why Sigs are safer... Why do you think polymer is unsafe? I think you just love sigs because of the way they feel, battery of arm, etc. what makes a sig a sig - not because they are inherently are safer.
I own a G19 and a p220 but my favorite pistol of all time is of course the Kimber CDP.
1911GreaterThanALL 1 month ago
@MrJwedge
Meh, to each his own but you're ignoring many of a Glock's advantages.
JasonRedfield 1 month ago
@MrJwedge As you can reason from examining the actual function of that "dumb plastic piece" Glock markets it as a safety but in reality its just for aesthetics. Its sole purpose is to stop that trigger from moving in tandem with the slide as it is racked. NOT saying I don't like Glocks but if I may "just keep'in it real"
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I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE 238 IN 9MM!!!!!! Definitely gonna get a 938
cfeder45 1 month ago
The G26 is just a chopped down full size G17/19 no? So how come the P224 gets no love for doing the same? I think the 938 will be amazing, but I heard it has a very high price.
sungwei9 1 month ago
I agree thinner is better, but the idea of a DA/SA short pistol with relatively high capacity is appealing to me. That Sig 224 is something I want to look at.
robalan57 1 month ago
@robalan57 Exactly. Makes you wonder what Nutnfancy is thinking. I think the appeal of the 224 is obvious. I am sticking with Glocks, but there must be legions of Sig users who have been screaming for a pistol like this for years. And while I think the 938 deserves a closer look, it is too angular and sharp for pocket carry. I think most people who will end up carrying a 938 on a belt or IWB would be able to manage a 224 or any one of other great sub compacts and be better armed.
jtr109 1 month ago
@robalan57 hard to see how sig justifies the $1124 price for the p224.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani When people find something they like the price often gets paid. I bought a Kimber Ultra. That Sig P224 double stack gives 11+1 shots and it can handle larger magazines too. Plus I really like DA/SA. And it should be easy to carry in three of the four seasons.
robalan57 1 month ago
NEVER Liked SIG Handguns, Too bulky, heavy, & all around stupid looking. MANY more options out there that are MUCH better value. I have a friend that works for I.C.E. they carry SIG's and she HATES that weapon!
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Thx for the overview
colla555 1 month ago
p938 review asap!
407ForRent 1 month ago
I got to say that sig 938 looks like a great carry gun i was think about a 238 but 9mm makes the 938 a much nicer carry option over a 380 acp
SIG603 1 month ago
@Composer1777 people just like to bitch about things others are doing that they themselves arent capable of doing.....laziness/jealousy at its core
8dukesbats4 1 month ago
@ChubbyMcChuckle its barely thicker then the p239 and gives you more rounds and allows the use of 229 magazines. those subcompacts you listed have limited firepower, worse sights, worse trigger and they cant compete with sig reliability.
MrJwedge 1 month ago
@MrJwedge Glock G26 only has 1 less round, how is that limited? Plus it beats the P224 in width, weight & price. Concerning round count of others, that's a tradeoff for comfort/ease of concealment. Also, 7rds should be enough for 1-2 targets if not there's a problem with the shooter(plus, spare mags). Kahr/keltec may(not) need work, but Ruger and Walther(Smith & Wesson) are just as reliable, Sigs aren't indestructible. I dig sigs too but I only sip the koolaid, I don't chug it.
ChubbyMcChuckle 1 month ago
@TheFlamethrowerGuy thank you. i agree
MrJwedge 1 month ago
Is the P224 a DOUBLE stack mag?? At least then there would be a reason for thickness, but jeez it's huge!
reeseman67 1 month ago
@reeseman67 Yep it's double stack and it's big and heavy. Not a fan.
nutnfancy 1 month ago 5
@nutnfancy FAIL!!!!! They're only about.... When did the Glock 26-27 come out(9+1-11+1 .40, 9/10+1-12+1 9mm)? And the XD SC(9+1 .40, 13+1 9mm), XDM-SC(11+1 .40, 13+1 9mm)? They've, SMARTLY, moved to the 1X-stack mags,i.e.G36, XDs. Sig is just throwing a chopped 226/9 on the market to see if anyone'll accept it as their 'Compact but with some capacity' pistol. The P938 is where they need to direct advertising budget, NOT P224.. Too much size, not enough capability(Light Rail, namely).
reeseman67 1 month ago
@nutnfancy I guess if you CCW an old smith and wesson 4516 like me, I guess the choice of caring a p224 would be a good option. It might be lighter than my 33 oz 4516 lol. Id like to see how both shoot, test away Nutn!
Renta1Cop 3 weeks ago
I also think the p224 will not be too hot! Although for an on the belt carry piece for some one who loves the regular size sigs it may do well! But the price is far too high! Especially when a p226 is much more affordable! The P938 is an awesome idea and I plan on owning one when they become available! A 9mm carry gun that I assume shoots well and is single action makes for a very accurate, easy to shoot concealable gun! I love single action semi-autos!
MrByronodmon 1 month ago 3
@MrByronodmon Yeah brother, preach it. Great comment and thanks for taking the time to post it!
nutnfancy 1 month ago
@nutnfancy Thank you for letting me go to SHOT vicariously through you haha!
MrByronodmon 1 month ago
Sometimes you have to tell it like it is! A single stack P224 might have been very sweet- the P938 well I believe my P238 is going to need a big brother!
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ST4leave 1 month ago
@Composer1777 THANK YOU! It's like people take a new video as a INSULT and go into "how can I down that vid/weapon/BRAND?", and they'll figure out a way! I took down ALL my vid's this Fall, actually I did add a few, but not trying to draw attention.... just decided SCREW it, I'll make more vids if I wanna make more vid's, I'll just turn the 'Approve All Comments' feature on! Ya'll keep enjoying Shot, I'll keep enjoying the vid's!
reeseman67 1 month ago
The P938 looks swell and all but I doubt Sig will be getting any of my money until they work out their QC issues. I've seen them churn some guns out that should have never left the factory.
oldannyboy37 1 month ago
why would anyone bother with the p224 when the p250 is available. what exactly is the p224 bringing to the table that is compelling over the p250 or other sigs?
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani I think its for buyers, like me, who dont care about weight and dont want to carry around a plastic gun...
g00dlife 1 month ago
@g00dlife so sig has finally cracked the market of selling to all buyers like you. both of you. :)
the rest of the world will continue buying the proven p250, p229 and p239.
sig's hot seller will definitely be the p938. i feel sorry for the product manager who came up with the p224. bad choice.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani lol good one. But I already have p226s, p229s, and a p239 and will never buy a polymer hand gun. The shorter grip and double stack mag will make a lot of people take a closer look at it. The P938 is cute too, but I live in a safety free home... :)
g00dlife 1 month ago
Sorry, but i'm getting the P224. Been waiting for another option to the sub glocks and this looks like it will work for me!
g00dlife 1 month ago
I am amazed at how easily Nutn dismisses the P224, while bowing at the alter of Kel Tec. I have never seen a Kel Tec that could get through a box of ammo without a jam. The P224 is Sig's long overdue answer to the baby Glocks, sub-compact M&P's, etc. There are lots of cops and soldiers carrying the P226/P229 platforms that might be attracted by the magazine compatibility and familiar handling characteristics of a sub-compact version. Shouldn't you at least shoot it before you dismiss it?
TheFlamethrowerGuy 1 month ago
@TheFlamethrowerGuy He's just stating that he sees no reason for wanting one. If you're going to make gun smaller, and lose many of the benefits that come with full-sized pistols, then go all of the way. That thing is too fat, and there are a countless amount of designs that simply beat it when it comes to concealability. It doesn't matter if it shoots great, the pistol does not add anything to the market to validate its existence.
palerider1775 1 month ago
@palerider1775 Well, I don't want one, but I can imagine that it might appeal to some people. It fills the exact same "POU" as the baby Glocks. There are those that don't care for poly frames or striker-fired operation. The P224 fits into that niche. The P938 looks interesting, but it gives up power and capacity that the 224 retains and the SAO system isn't for everyone. I am a Glock guy, I don't really care. Just seems like Nutn is getting a bit capricious as time goes by.
TheFlamethrowerGuy 1 month ago
@TheFlamethrowerGuy p224 does not bring anything compelling to the table vs the existing p229, p239, or p250. the niche it fits in is already filled by those already existing and well proven sig products.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani You need to check your facts...Beretta PX4 storm is the only pistol like the P224...
COLT45keith 4 weeks ago
@COLT45keith explain exactly why the px4 storm is the only pistol on the market like the p224.
ms3bani 4 weeks ago
I would take more manufacturing visits then booth reviews @nutnfancy does a good job getting the best out of the booth reviews, I think manufacturer visits would be to places that would be interested in having nutnfancy and would be without distraction. Thanks for making a quality product nutnfancy
marcussho 1 month ago
@MrJwedge He's just saying the thickness on the P224 makes it suck for CCW, also the P239 is not $1200. In his P239 vid all he really said was that there were better options. The same holds true for the P224. You could get a Glock 26 that would be about the same dimensions and capacity but weighs less and is about half the price and there are even better options than that for CCW 9's: Ruger LC9, Keltec PF9, Kahr CW9 and as I said the one I'm interested in the Walther PPS. $1200 = an AR-15 etc.
ChubbyMcChuckle 1 month ago
@nutnfancy time to break out the calipers and give us the details
gift3rs 1 month ago
@Composer1777 my menstrual cramps? ooohh I see wut u did thar
dumdum212 1 month ago
table top review and a shooting review on p938 with the p238 would be sweet!!
mdkevo7 1 month ago
I agree with you on the P224, biggest problem IMHO is that it's a bit heavy. However, it may fall into what I call an "acquired taste". Some will like it & others not.I played around with the trigger at the SHOT show on Wed. and was able to confirm the short reset on the DAK trigger. Yes the first pull is long, but that is similar the DA pull on other SIGs, the second pull is much shorter. I agree with you 100% on the P938, looks like a winner for SIG. Thanks for your comments. :-)
Hornman120 1 month ago
If the 938 performs like the 238, it will blow away the Springfield EMP.
Bulwark1911 1 month ago 10
Yup, I was a bit deterred by the P224 as well. I'm still hoping to see the P232 in 9x19.
Dustysa4 1 month ago
Part of me is bumbed that we are not allowed to CC in Canada but the the "OCD research everything till the cows come home before you buy anything" part of me makes me sooooo thankful! haha.
Cheekee13Monkee 1 month ago
At a glance the P224 looks like a more expensive P250. They took everything I hate about the P250(which is essentially everything) and turned it into a pricey/bulkey all stainless pistol. Theres a good reason they can't give p250's away these days, and I commonly see new prices lower and lower(sub 400 dollars these days), hopefully they change it up before the market floods with these P224's.
mackm1885 1 month ago
@mackm1885 and what reason is that then? the p250 is basically a hammer fired kahr but with much better ergonomics, and kahrs sell extremely well.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@m3bani Your response makes absolutely no sense. Thank you for informing me that "kahrs sell extremely well", I was not aware of this. And no, a striker fired pistol(kahr) with a much lower grip/bore axis, crisper trigger, and reasonable reset is not a p250. Talk to someone whose owned one(me for example), and unless they're an old revolver hound they probably hated the gun. Compare a Kahr to a Glock or an M&P or even an XD but(any striker fire really), but not a Sig, not even close.
mackm1885 1 month ago
@mackm1885 i'm a kahr owner, so i have some perspective. marginally (debatable) better trigger doesn't compensate for overall poorer ergonomics. kahr feels like your hand sits "on" the gun, the sig your hand feels like it sits "in" the gun. huge difference. "reasonable reset"? LOL! reset is ALL the way released of the 35 mile trigger pull. slightly lower bore axis doesnt stop the kahr from significant muzzle flip -- it's a lighter gun. the kahr doesnt feel like it justifies the price.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani it sounds like the grass is always greener on the other side of the gun fence, and that I should go get a kahr and you should go buy a p250. The trigger pull on the p250 is laughable, and its a full reset to recycle the weapon. Screw it, i'm gonna get another glock. Either way I won't be buying a P224.
mackm1885 1 month ago
@2xEKIA Nothing much left for me to say...fellow YouTubers said it for me. Cya, idiot. -- Veri
nutnfancy 1 month ago
TF2 much?
ProjectV0ID 1 month ago
@Composer1777 Its whack, isn't it? I feel your pain. It is the dumbing down of America, IMHO. -- Veri
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ARBuilder1776 1 month ago
Great video again buddy I wanted to know if you've had any experience with the sig p6 or the American version the 225 ??
mjp1911 1 month ago
I was excited when Nutn went to gunnies and there was mention of a 9mm P238. the idea that we would get something along the lines of a Springfield EMP but at a reasonable price(P238 for around $600). Hello P938. My understanding though is that P938 MSRP is going to be in the $800 ballpark. Very disappointing. Hoping street price will be closer to P238 but not going to hold my breath. Right now everything is pushing me towards a Walther PPS
ChubbyMcChuckle 1 month ago
p224 accepts 229 mags
clap5 1 month ago
P938 looks sweet, would like to see it side by side with the p238
MidwestProfessional 1 month ago
Really excited about that 938. From the grips to the size it looks like a definite win. Thanks for another great vid Nutn!
Paintbl99 1 month ago
I have to agree, the prices of the sig p224 is ridiculous.
millster101 1 month ago
Nut, I'm disappointed but not surprised by your assessment of the P224. As a person who is considering carry gun options with a particular format I think the P224 may fit needs of many users. I'm looking for a classic hammer fired DA/SA with decocer and no safety that can hold more than 10 rounds of 9mm. I've owned a Sig for over 10 yrs and love their batery of arms. I would prefer that my carry gun have the same setup I'm used to. Also I have big hand and do not like the feel of pocket guns
mrgustavoperez 1 month ago
i know but did he pulled a trigger in a room of people without checking if the gun was loaded?
MrElektrolyt 1 month ago
@MrElektrolyt Yes, but all firearms at shot show have the firing pins removed. It was the same way when I went to the NRA convention last year but out of habit I still always checked.
YourMilageMayVary 1 month ago
Let me say first I LOVE Sig and I know those are only MSRP prices but even still Sig must be getting high from sniffing their own balls to think that the P224 going to be a competitive conceal carry option. There seem to be a few people in comments who are diggin' it, good luck with that.
friskyrabbit 1 month ago
I totally agree, the price point of the P224 is outrageous. Whoever buys a P224 at the MSRP is insane.
oshkoshbjosh986 1 month ago
@harveyts3 i agree with you i really like the p239 im just making a point that he said the p239 is great but now says the p224 sucks. i think the p224 is a much better choice for cc.
MrJwedge 1 month ago
Hey Nutn... the reason for the width of the P224 is it can accept the high capacity P229 double stack magazines.
I think the P224 is a win for SIG! The shortened grip is important for concealed carry.
My experience with concealed carry has taught me the pistol butt sticks out more than any other part of the pistol.
556DOS45 1 month ago
I've been thinking lately why doesn't sig make a 9mm version of the p238? lol i'm so glad they did!
lasershow215 1 month ago
Love the 238. Hope the 9 is same quality.
Cr0cket20 1 month ago
dead NUT on...
excelerater 1 month ago
@tray772983 agree 100%
MrJwedge 1 month ago
you yourself said the p239 is a great gun which is barely thinner and has a single stack mag with 5 rounds less capacity then a p229 and weighs 4 more ounces then the p224. i dont kniw how you justify that. also da/sa trigger in a subcompact with sig night sightts outbeats any tiny polymer dao gun with crappy sights in my book
MrJwedge 1 month ago
@MrJwedge I have a p239 and carried it for years everyday. I love that guy in fact I have carried and shot it so much that it might be my favorite over all firearm in my collection just for sentimental reasons and it is awesome sig quality of coarse. With that said for EDC I will take my glock 26 over it any time. Sad to say that a little but it is true.
harveyts3 1 month ago
sorry nutnfancy but i disagree with you on the p224. i carry a p229 and dont have any problems with the size or weight. so making it 5 ounces lighter only two rounds less and still have classic da/sa operating system makes itt a win in my book. also you can use p229 magazines in it which is a plus. also it has all the function of a classic P series pistol in a sbcompact frame along with great sights.
MrJwedge 1 month ago
I really don't understand why Sig keeps making these weird quirky sub compact but full width pistols, if you're going to do that, you might as well carry a full size pistol
Gmaker202 1 month ago
Yeah, American Rifleman dug the 938 too, gave it a glowing review. A bit top heavy for me, but firepower makes up for that, I think. Thx!
sabr686 1 month ago
Hmmm. I´m thinking this one will only attract Sig fanatics with a large budget. With all due respect to Sig for quality and enginuety, even they can´t strike homeruns every time.
BigSwede7403 1 month ago
I think the P224 is overpriced but it holds 11 9mm rounds and 10 in .40S&W/.357 SIG and a baby glock is in my opinion als thick so i don't see the problem.
AlfonsFromAtech 1 month ago
more please!
pointer802 1 month ago
Regardless of shooting or carrying it. Nutnfancy is right before this review I watched another demo of the sig224 and knew it was too thick it's like a glock 27. It's not necessarily pointless, but there are other slimmer and smarter options like the Kahr p or pm series, kel tec pf9 or p11, or the ruger lcp. $1000 for a subcompact carry gun???! No thanks! Hey @nwtipton I'm not sure why your commenting about the preon 0 in this vid, but to answer your question... Notice the decimal point .24 lum
londonlaguna 1 month ago
Sig needs to stop screwing around with BS flashy models, niche guns (both pistol and rifle), and Chinese electronic accessories. They should concentrate on what they USED to do a good job doing, and that's building a high quality defensive pistol in basic black.
bcoyote 1 month ago
@bcoyote I totally agree. Accessories are good, but not whole guns that look like safe queens out of the box.
jpenna1976 1 month ago
I like how its SHOT and the weapons are secured and the video just started and idiots are freaking out about Nutn dry firing without doing a brass check on camera....
codypanek 1 month ago
I noticed that he just pulled the trigger on those guns without even check to see if theres a round in the chamber.... Just saying
nypddblue 1 month ago
1100$ bones? thats 3 kel tec pf9s and a case of ammo
nlandoutfitters 1 month ago
I like the Sig shot shows. Sig is my favorite brand! Thx
deadlyduface 1 month ago
FFS nutn, chamber check on the 224 before you pull the damn trigger. I know its shot show and they are 'supposed" to be cold guns, but that's gun safety 101. Firearms are always loaded guys. Anyway, you have the best coverage on YouTube on shot show. Good video.
haus340 1 month ago
For their "preon 0" their site says:
Low: .24 OTF Lumens, 120 hours
High: 25 OTF Lumens, 1.5 hours
Huh? 1 luman cuts the time to nearly 1/10 of the rated hours? Should have just made it 24 lumens.
Cool review guys, thanks!
nwtipton 1 month ago
@nwtipton I think you meant to comment on the Four Seven's video
girtisholland 1 month ago
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Haha, oops!
You know you have too many windows of nutnfancy up all at once when....
nwtipton 1 month ago
I was very excited at the end of 2009 when everyone started releasing ultra compact 9mm's after the 380 market was flooded. I was convinced that sig would created a sized up p238, but was let down when they came out with the p290. Luckily they caught on, this p938 looks awsome and I anticipate I will buy one as soon as i get the chance to fondle one. Awsome move sig!
tom24ak 1 month ago
"Hot SKU's" WTF
wtsimpson7 1 month ago
screw that 1k for a stomic pumper i will just buy a ruger lcp but i prefer a 1911 in a shoulder holster at least thats a gun that is more reliable and proven. sept for the tarus 1911 that gun is defective
helmsplitter0233 1 month ago
I would rather carry the XDS for half the price ! LOL
chavezchavez556 1 month ago
That P938 looks awesome! Logical step up from the 238, but still a pleasant surprise. Me likey! BTW, Google says it holds 6+1.
TheLateBoyScout 1 month ago
The P938 however, and nice sweet 9mm 1911 type compact, they'll sell like hot cakes.
cirian75 1 month ago
NUTNFANCY , I think P224 will initially sell well due to its similarity to the 226 and 229, but after that, I agree, it will fade.
cirian75 1 month ago
when r u gonna review a pre-lawsuit Sig 516!
nhblackdc5 1 month ago
p224 looks like crap
Cant wait for the review of the 938
keep the vids comin
squackhunter11 1 month ago
The P224 looks like a gun made for the poor bastards in California and Mass. that are stuck with smaller capacity mags.
SIG is high if they think they're going to sell many of these at $1100+. I'm betting they'll drop the P224 to $950 before long, which means dealers will let them go for $850. However, Nutn could be right, the P224 could tank and get discontinued in a hurry like the P245.
Either way, I bet we see the death of the P224 or P239. There's not enough room for the two of 'em.
departed402 1 month ago
@departed402 Also SIG claims the P224 is .2 inches slimmer. We shall see. Nutn apparently isn't feeling it.
departed402 1 month ago
agreed 938 looks great, 224 looks like something they should have come out with 15 years ago when fat guns were the only choice out there.
bigdollars99 1 month ago
all of those rear sights are hidious!!!!!!!!!
trumpfunk1997 1 month ago
SIG P224 comparison to Glock 26/27/33: P224 is HEAVIER, THICKER, WIDER, TALLER, and COSTLIER. So...why did SIG even introduce it? Makes no sense to me.
austinguy23 1 month ago
1100.00 is no worse than 200.00 pocket knives...
224 is adorable...
938 is to big. 9mm is less than 1/4" longer than 380 but the 938 gained 3/4" length...
COLT45keith 1 month ago