Edward Said Lecture The Myth of the Clash of Civilzations Part 1

[16thHop]

Said's points seem to have triumphed over Lewis' et al. views that Muslims hate democracy and freedom. Look at the Arab Spring in which young people were willing to die and brave torture to fight for secular values in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, etc. Whether these victories might be stolen from the youth is yet to be seen, but the seed of liberalism is there and what it needs is time to germinate, not American strongmen or bombs.

[871yt]

@16thHop Ah yes the Arab Spring.....you are so delusional..so typically muslim that

you didnt even notice that all you got was one more cycle of Islam. Who controls Egypt? Muslim Brotherhood and the Military..nothing EVER changes in

Islam..ever.

[16thHop]

@871yt The model for most Arabs (including the M. Brotherhood) is the secular Turkish one, NOT the violent Iranian form. They have said this clearly many times and we can see it in the growing disdain for Iran resulting from their hideous actions in Syria. Salafis are a different story, but they aren't even close to controlling the reigns of power in the region.

[871yt]

@16thHop  More liberal pablum. The ever elusive "moderate" Islam that the "extremists" hijack. What planet do you live on. There is NO MODERATE ISLAM.

The Koran is exact and relentless. Left to itself Islam ends up in a completely totalitarian society every time. Turkey is reverting to Islamic state..with only the

pure power of the military to moderate it. Theocracy, militrary rule, dictatorship, family ruling clan...thats Islam..and still you play games.

[glower125]

preaching to the converted.  those with hate and malice would adhere to yout views. I guess clash of civilization is only for the good of israel which careless about any civilization execpt their coming NWO. clash of civilization is a fraud.

[jimdivax]

The West v. Islam? Meanwhile China steals up to the top of the mountain.

[shomzabe]

No scholar can come close to the brilliance of Edward Said. The world needs more Saids indeed

[discovery1jo]

اتمنى لو ترجم للعربية  فهو مفيد للمثقفين العرب

[lozoft9]

@dd1857 Are you hindutva? If so, please do all Indians a favor and stop trying to deliberately instigate Indian and Pakistani muslims to violence. Everybody knows what you pigs are trying to do and it's only a matter of time before you're found to be the frauds you are. BTW, Bal Thackeray is India's Theodor Herzl.

[TheAlijun1]

Honestly... I just can't take you people seriously anymore. It's funny how you stress so vigorously that you're pushing up the bar and going deep into politics. When you're willing to believe what any body tells you. Edward Said is secular humanist and the reason why he may seem to be opposing as a threat, would be because he's for Palestinian rights.

Enough said.

[arataezyk]

When was this lecture given?

[WeToldYouSo1]

Read the East-West Dichotomy!

[WeToldYouSo1]

Actually, I don't think it is a myth. I mean, what is all that China-bashing and Islam-bombing if not the Christian west trying to undue other cultures. As Hegel once said, it is the necessary fate of the Eastern people to be dominated by the West. Said cannot talk this away, the West is serious about it: there will be no non-Western competing model. Otherwise, in the future there will only by conflict.

[sutiko]

Said was a great scholar and those who criticise him have often not understood a single sentence of his writing or lectures.

[WeToldYouSo1]

@sutiko He is as actual as ever! :-)

[mikewtp]

What's laughable about your entire video and the "information" below it is that you appear as a massive hypocrite. You say these apparently "Islamic scholars" are liars and deceptive and against the "West," yet your copy/ paste from wiki even says Said was an advocate for Palestinian rights. RIGHTS, wow, that sounds inherently antithetical to all Western thought. What's also laughable is how you pasted Said's criticisms but not his theory and then did the opposite for Huntington. What a joke.

[funkadelique1]

Edward Said was out in left field. This lecture was OBVIOUSLY devised before 9-11. NOW who's upholding the clash of civilisations? Just because Edward says it ain't so doesn't mean it ain't so.

[mikewtp]

@funkadelique1 Many would still say that this is not compelling evidence for the clash of civilization argument. Indeed, some lunatics who dressed themselves in the clothes of Islam did attack what many see as the "heart" of America and possibly the "west" as well. But no matter what the inane media pundits tell you, this does not mean there are civilizations "clashing". . . If only you could see how slippery this ridiculous argument is.

[sledgehammer2064]

@mikewtp Well, I'm afraid "SOME" lunatics are a few too many not to buy the arguments. Just in the last week two U.S. airmen were shot by a Muslim Kosovar linked into the Jihadi network, and a Saudi "student" was caught trying to blow up buildings. That's just this week. Wake up and smell the jihad, my friend.

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 That still does not support the clash of civilizations hypothesis. Just because there is a "Jihadi Network" does not mean that an entire civilization--according to Huntington, Islam is one--is clashing with the "West." Since when do we generalize a few (and yes, your Jihadi Network is minuscule) murderers to the extent that they represent more than a billion, diverse and multi-ethnic individuals? That's completely erroneous and dangerous. This is just rhetoric for neo-cons.

[sledgehammer2064]

@mikewtp - well, The Jihadis are not miniscule. In terms of ideology, they are in the millions, around the world. They are followers of political Islam. At present, they are very well ensconced in Iraq, Germany, Great Britain, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sweden, and the U.S. to name a few. It is their ideology that makes them so Dangerous. Not all of them strap bombs to their waists, but they all have a desire to dominate liberal democratic culture with their version of Sharia.

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 I don't see much truth in your statement. All I see is fear and misunderstanding. Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt have all had "Jihadi" movements that are reactions to colonial and neocolonial threats that have kept a large mass of people in general poverty and squalor. Radical or militant movements do not arise simply out of thin air. They are reactionary and unstable. With reference to the "Western" states you've mentioned, the only thing I see at threat is the ....

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 is that liberal principles that have been celebrated in many of these states; multiculturalism, tolerance, and fundamental freedoms that are beginning to disappear because of nonsensical fear mongering. I'm sure Mill would've been happy to hear things like Judson Phillips stating that certain individuals should be voted out of congress simply because they are Muslim. Yes, Sharia law is the real threat...

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 That too is funny. The "spread" of Sharia is starting to sound like red scare. A tactic used by certain individuals and institutions in an egregious act of reification to construct an enemy where there really isn't one. Sure there are those who tout Islamicist demagoguery, but it's just as bad on the "Western" side too. 

[sledgehammer2064]

@mikewtp I doubt of one can compare the West's criticism of Islamism with the atrocities commited daily by Islamists. The West has its warts but don't we ALL love to enjoy what it has to offer while decrying how it uses people up and keeps them in squalor? How terrible are we if we allow 5 million Turks into Germany where they live comfortably, many on welfare? No sir, I think the West has been more than generous and we need to stop feeling guilty about our past.

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 Sorry to dredge up a debate long since past. But I'd like to stipulate that the presence of so many Turks in Germany was actually encouraged by the German government in order to match a demand in labour. It is not about feeling guilty. I am not stupid; I will denounce the abhorrent moral claims made by extremists everywhere. It's about recognizing hypocracy and holding governments (yes Western ones) accountable. Look at Saudi Arabia--a massively oppressive dictatorship only ...

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 held up by the fact that it is a strategic (both militarily and economically) pawn in the nexus of US foreign policy. Strangely this relationship has nothing to do with the fact that the US is, apparently, a society that espouses freedoms and democracy and Saudi Arabia is a brutal authoritarian theocracy predicated on a vicious interpretation of Islamic Law. There is no clash, there is only a need for people to fill the vacuum of hatred with an "other".

[mikewtp]

@sledgehammer2064 Have a good day sir. If you want to reply, please feel free to send me a message. I think I'm clogging this message board up. Plus, this is a terrible format for debate!

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[721goto]

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[zizovid]

Edward Saeed isn't a Muslims, he is Christian. Both Edward Saeed and Norman Finkelstein, who's a Jewish, talk fairly and that's what differentiate them from others specially Bernard Lewis who him self is a big cheater.

And all those terrorists they don't resemble Islam.

Islam is a faith of Peace and Equality. I my self have Muslim friends who show nothing but being nice and respectful.

[dd1857]

lol it seems some mad dog has bitten you.Yes edward said is a chistain and i did not know about it ..but still edward is a asshlole and he is just plain stupid.

clash of civilzation is a good book.

[zizovid]

@dd1857

hahahahaa, well you say what you say, and I say what I say and at the end these are all sayings and we are just humans living on this earth and maybe in the same area, so no harm done man,

just live your life.

[cherrymak1992]

@dd1857 In saying "Edward is an as*hole" and "Clash Of civilization is a good book" , you are ought to give arguments. It is not a simple matter of introducing an opinion which may be based on prejudice or sometimes irrational justification. We all ask tolerance and justice. So why don't you be just?

[871yt]

@zizovid What Edward Said was..is the way Edward Said lived his life.

Inside Academia..utterly. Repeating the formulas of Culural Marxism..to the tee.

Spouting Leftist propaganda to gullible 19 year olds. He never lived in the hell of an

Islamic country,..he lived a lie...and he seduced the stupid and the young into his madness

[cko299]

@871yt And you're DEFINETLY not spouting right wing propaganda to the gullible.

[871yt]

@cko299 I would say that the "gullible" were those cheering the Arab Spring..remember?

Just a year ago..the new beginning of the Arab World..freedom...hope..change.

Edward Said would have been purveying that delusion with all his might...and when

we got the Muslim Brotherhood and the crushing of dissent..Said would havent even noticed

[zizovid]

@871yt as if you've lived there.

Being Islamic country does not entail hell Malaysia and UAE set a beautiful example of Islamic countries. apparently you're a racist who hate blacks and jews, am I right??

[rogeliogonzalezmarti]

¿Alguien puede poner subtítulos en español por favor?

[johnnyblazze911]

northwest you should be so early to judge just because this guy said it. either way this does not justify imperialism or the the actions such western states take against muslim nation.if you feel better about yourself and your thoughts against muslims by listening to such men then go head what ever makes you happy.but remmeber all of tyrannical muslim leaders dictatores and jihadist were once supported by there western counterparts.

[northwest2009]

Well interesting topic....though i have a doubt whether Islam is a religion or a form of government similar to communism. People are forced to follow this way of life and throughout the history Islam has been growing based on forced conversions. Also surprisingly all muslim countries except Turkey does not like democracy or freedom of subjects.

[Goldilocks88]

@northwest2009 forced conversations are not legal in islam...and anymore who enforces them isn't representing islam properly, which is the case in certain places. Certain governments are misusing Islam, and Turkey is hardly an example of a muslim country seeing as it's secular. What is democracy? Majority rule...there's a right to vote in all muslim countries, although some have monarchies.

[NukeMeka]

Edward Said may have been a Palestinian christian but i don't even think you could even call him religious! He was typical of Leftist Academia, which is aligned with the pro-Islam, anti-Zionist camp.

I am not a big fan of Samuel P. Huntington, particularly his book "Who Are We?" which is tripe. but Edward Said is no saint either. They are BOTH ideologues. (yawn)

[dd1857]

100% true..left ass hols in media

[s1187a]

Edward Said was neither an Islamic scholar nor a Muslim. He was a professor of English and Comparative Literature and a Palestinian- American Christian. So the point you are trying to make with this video doesnt make any sense. Nice video though 5 stars!

[dd1857]

well check his video.Huntington has said that islam is a problem and you see it every where.

The clash is happening.India is seeing it every day.I still rembemebr the Radio Bombs in the buses of delhi and trains.

So Edward Said basically tries to debunk the islamic Jihad etc.

bristish gave india its universites after 800 years.

Indian universitues were destroyed by islam.Check Nalanda university.

So be careful of islamic and middle eastern scholars

[WilhelmDrake]

@dd1857

I cannot believe that to be true. What is your source?

[871yt]

@s1187a In the world of English Literature. Edward Said was a self contradictory clown.