Who Needs College Anyway? - IQ and Performance

[Elesparto]

Assigning a number to intelligence falls within the realm of science fiction, sort of like the capacity to beam someone up on a spaceship (Pure Fiction). Surely you smart people must see the fiction in IQ and in many aspects of psychology as well. I think that if you truly analyze and go beyond what the proponents of IQ are saying then you will see it all for what it is and for what it was meant to accomplish. The controlling elites have created these types of frauds throughout the centuries.

[zwiiyt]

@Elesparto IF that is so, why does IQ correlate so highly with income? Don't you agree that a high income required one to be 'smart.' And please don't bring up inheritance or royalty...that's a strawman.

[Elesparto]

@zwiiyt

IQ, like the belief in a super race of men, like the construction of national boundaries is as arbitrary as these concepts are. Yes IQ correlates with academic rigor because this is what it was designed to do in its evolutionary period from its creation at the beginning of the 19th century until the present--note its evolution and you'll see a gradual reformulation towards an academic rigor, the kind you find in Ivy league colleges--it is by design not by some metaphysical coincidence.

[zwiiyt]

@Elesparto No, i never said that IQ correlates with academic rigor. What i said was that IQ correlates positively with high income. I then asked you whether a smart person is more likely to be capable of earning a high income or less capable. I think the answer is pretty obvious and has been true in every civilization at every time period:

The smarter you are, the higher you can earn. IT's not that difficult

[Elesparto]

@zwiiyt

If you say IQ correlates with high income then you're saying that it correlates with academic rigor because this is what the proponents of IQ are claiming--High Academic grades=high IQ=high income--this is the main theme of those who claim IQ is real. And what I'm telling you is don't look too much at these academic correlations but ask yourself: Is it possible to quantify human intelligence? Is it really possible within the range of infinite probabilities and possibilities? I say no.

[zwiiyt]

@Elesparto Of course its possible to quantify intelligence. It gets easier once you define it too. A general definition is the innate cognitive ability to solve new problems. THis means one can solve puzzels and see patterns in things far easier than others. THis ability correlates directly with brain anatomy too.

[Elesparto]

@zwiiyt

Quantification is possible for you because this is what you've been drilled to believe. The IQ quantitative scores are made up--these are tests with made up scores that are supposed to mean something--but of course they mean something within the confines of an academic environment and within the confines of bubble tests and within the confines of a world view but outside of these there is no measure of human intelligence that can say this one is intelligent is this one is not...

[zwiiyt]

@Elesparto Just answer one question. DO you think ONE is more likely to have a high income and have degrees in hard sciences if they are 'smart.'

IQ correlates positively with both.

[youngdones]

Could someone with an IQ of 70 earn a PhD in physics, mathematics, chemistry, engineering, computer science, biology, or neuroscience?

I didn't think so.

[sidereally]

@youngdones IQ is simple: it's important to have enough of it, but beyond that normal to just above normal is just 'extra' and not necessary.

[youngdones]

People with IQ's below 100 should just shoot themselves.

[Raybanmonster]

@youngdones

Lets test your mothers IQ and treat her according to her score shall we?

[mba2ceo]

This is all BS ... It is all who U know !!!

[prschuster]

IQ is basically a rough measure of your academic aptitude. It's a good predictor of your potential to do well in school and in most white collar professions. Calling this intelligence is just begging the question.

[centurion180ad]

All of this is academic.

Unless university trains a person to be //independently// productive, a fledgling graduate is going to be at the mercy of a corporation, which is a pure tyranny.

Stack that up with the wanton criminality of the Debt Syndicate, the TRILLIONS of plundered oil & heroin laundered through the corporations, and university training is useless.

BANKERS want ruthless mass murdering CRIMINALS, to rule the earth. That is EXACTLY what is happening.

[saintgauden]

I think they need different terms than "smart" and "high I.Q." It's just another little pointless competition that society puts great weight on...a hundred years later, it will be disproven and there will be another fad. So goes the human race. So guys, use the high I.Q. thing as a parlor trick and get some pussy before the theory is inevitably disproven.

[Shrunkenhead61]

So, yeah, go to college if you are smart. But being smart doesn't dictate performance. IQ is loosely there. It's rally more of being smart. He had a good analogy - Academics is to smart people as Athletics is to physically adept people. (They aren't mutually exclusive.)

Many people don't know what they want to do our what is out there, even after college sometimes.

Proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

[m015094]

I agree,,, the majority of college kids shouldn't go to school. They are way too stupid.

[todengine]

awrezy, Mr. Murray has said nothing about African Americans and the poor. You are the one playing the race card here. We all know that everyone has different intelligence levels, its just been taboo to discuss. Mr. Murray is a breath of fresh air.

[RSSFeedify]

@todengine At the end of the day, all races/ethnicites are included in this. Intellectually, yes all. Financially, well, this may vary. But in all, students from many ethnic backgrounds will have difficulties with traditional college work/pressures.

[prayfertrey]

I would just make it simpler and ask, "what do you want to do?" rather than ask, "how smart do you think you are compared to other people?" The ego doesn't deal with these things constructively.