I think that the UFP would be an unworkable bureaucratic monstrosity. It would either collapse or become oppressive, like the Soviet Union. In my way of thinking, the Terran Empire would be better as it would be more authentically human.
Part of the problem is you had too many cooks in the soup, which is why you have a lot of inconsistencies from one series to the next. Ever wonder how no mention is made of the androids created by Dr. Corby or the Alices from the original series when talking about Data? Then in Nemesis, how is it that B4 (really? that's the best you could come with?) is a predecessor to Data and Lore but is never spoken of by Dr. Soong or the android version of Mrs. Soong? Maybe it's best just to enjoy the crazy
Gene Roddenberry throws up in his grave every time someone mentions Enterprise. He would have never sanctioned that mess. In original series lore and The First Starfleet and TNG Handbooks the first Captain of the USS Enterprise was Robert April, there was no Johnathan Archer. Then Rick "Dumbass" Berman inserts the Borg, which somehow never gets mentioned in STOS or TNG. And as much as we love T'Pol and her hot self, everyone knows Spock was the first Vulcan to serve on a Federation ship.
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Read "Star Trek:TNG-Dark Mirror", It gives a more detailed accounting of how the Mirror Universe came to be. Basically, the U.S. was started as a traitor and came to world power opposite of history as we know it. Most of the science stays the same, however. What was considered the 3rd World War and the dawn of warp travel just is a flipped script which is why Cochrane kills the Vulcan and Starfleet just becomes the Terran Empire, conquering most of the galaxy .
@landocxxx Not to bust your bubble man, but that's actually considered a non-cannon novel. Now, granted, most of the novels are considered non-cannon, but that novel is especially non-cannon, as it contradicts other Mirror Universe episodes.
@kickyouinthenads But something turned Cochrane into a killer, so things had clearly begun to diverge, before then. Plus, the Vulcans had been monitoring Earth, so they'd have known what the culture was like. Why did they seek first contact? Are all cultures different over there? If so, maybe they wanted to use Earthers as cannon fodder to help take out those wimpy Klingon flower children!
@Axalara The music is perfect, Axalara. Pay ignorance no mind! And your video does provoke many theories and opens the mind to varous possibilities as well. Well done!!!
not going to read all 113 comments so dont know if this was brought up or not but looking at the text about flag on the moon then seeing the picture i want to add that the space suit used is from enterprise era coz space suits do not look like that not even today so that flag was planted after the vulcans meet cochran... now going to watch the rest and see if any other mistakes for my next post if any more mistakes
Correction: If Q doesn't introduce the Enterprise to the Borg, they don't hit Earth. Earth doesn't get hit, Enterprise-E doesn't go back to meet Cochran, who doesn't know about the Vulcans impending arrival. When the Vulcans land on Earth, Cochran ASSUMES it's an invasion, and the rest is Terran Imperial History. Comments?
Here's one theory. Q was responsible for the T/E. Rationale: TNG gets introduced to the Borg, and about 11 years later, they hit Earth with a Cube w/ a tactical sphere w/ temporal tech. Enterprise-E goes back to stop it. While some of the crew are planetside, Cochran is advised about the Vulcans. Because he knows they're coming, he doesn't shoot the first one he sees. If Enterprise-E doesn't go back (cont.)
@Dalryk Not to start argument, but the Jews were being attacked long before the war even began. And blacks were being killed too. And the Japanese were the allies of Hitler, not America, as translucentorb correctly said.
A quick assessment and Theory. The U.S.A was formed as a more militant state where a powerful centrilized government with an emphasis on the desire for a "roman society" was valued in the 1780s. Over the course of its first 150 years the U.S government quickly devolved into and empire with a named emporer. Then, after WWII, the Terran Empire formed out of what for us was the Formation of NATO, Absorbing its European Aliies as well as conquered Japan, then asserting its control over latin america
@translucentorb which is actually something we could have done if we had the inclination to, especially since we had the atomic bomb and no one else did
@translucentorb True but maybe more like the books of S. M. Stirling and his Domination of Draka, where they were a empire of tyrants in South Africa and fought on the side of the U.S. but continued on after the war to finally take the entire planet.. They had little problem with race and was more into control no matter who they were, and saw the camps as wasteful of labor .
Your canon rule was the rule of thumb, but it has gotten a bit more complex. Episodes could me anything, including a bunch of kids in their basement could be canon. Therefore the new rule is that canon is from video/film format from CBS/Paramount productions or productions associated with cast/crew of CBS/Paramount productions.
Therefore, basement vids and novelizations are left out, but productions like Star Trek: Phase II and Starship Farragut are canon. So see Farragut's "For Want of a Nail"
Just a small note. The planting of the flag on the moon doesn't necessarily mean that the empire existed in 1969. In our own universe, we'll probably see other countries planting flags there this century. Doesn't mean they were the first. It could have formed later, and in fact, most likely did. Cochrane still had his post-World War III rabble around him, so a unified Terran empire couldn't really have existed until at least then..
@rendirth Though you have a good point, in the Mirror Universe we don't know if it was a WW3 or some kind of Civil War. And that is a good point- it doesn't mean it existed in 1969. But in a deleted scene, Archer mentions "the Gods", which implies the Empire has been around for quite a while.
@Axalara Huh. Yeah. That is something to consider then. In that case, I could potentially see the Terrans as some sort of Roman Empire gone horribly wrong. Thanks for the added info!
@Dalryk Well they mentioned the Gods so it could potentially be, but the Romans did start killing eachother off (the Emperor's anyway) a lot in the latter years
"Sic semper tyrannis" is what John Wilkes Boothe said after killing Abraham Lincoln meaning "thus always to tyrants" referring to the just completed assassination. hardly a quote to put above one reading "long live the empire." they kind of contradict.
There seems to be almost like for like parallels in the mirror and prime universe, its amazing though that the mirror universe was able to emerge from the post atomic horror.
@Axalara I think, even if Empire suppose to be created... I doubt what humans will be like this! This is just unnatural for humans! I mean, to build such personalities of a nation... you must put in they're genes: Romulan's arrogance and suspicious, Klingon's cruelty and Cardassian's nationalistic ideas!
@Axalara YES! Chingis-Khan did it well! =) Because of his legacy, Batu-Khan almost destroy my country and made from it a part of the Mongol Empire.
Only after two centuries of bloody rebellions and battles, my people defeat Mongols. And look at this now, Siberia is ours, just like all northern Mongolian lands! ;)
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, if you mean what I think, then what happened was humanity just progressed incredibly fast until they became superior to the Vulcans.
Also, I want to kill the Mirror Zefram Cochrane so he couldn't discover warp-speed. The Mirror Humans should be doomed to Earth for another billion years because of their violent nature. >:(
@Neso906 never long live the empire we were top until kirk and his useless ideas convinced spock to demilatarise then the other race took revenge. lucky benjamin sisko gave the Terran Militia the defiant and plans for more.
This is rather very wasteful video, pinpoint initial time to 1969 is practically only thing there and it does seem wrong, look at how the mirrors salute, it look like...
I honestly don't know why I used it. In this one Mirror Universe book I have, the short story where Spock takes control has that quote in the beginning. And Lol, that would be funny. Actually, it's an interesting thought.
Thanks for the video, Axalara. By the way, there is one way to make Star Trek novels and short stories canon - MAKE THEM INTO MOVIES AND/OR TELEVISION SERIES! There is a lot of Star Trek prose that deserves to have this done to it.
You're welcome! And I completely agree. There's that entire New Frontier series. Or heck, they could have a mirror universe series. I know that the makers of the new movie took some ideas from their favorite novels, but so much more could be done, I completely agree.
The Music sounds to upbeat to be paired with a savage and brutal place like the Mirror Universe. the music should be heavier, dark and twisted like the M.U.
The convergence happened at least before the 15th century. Didn't flox say that shakespeare was different? And if you go by the opening, the first Enterprise was HMS Enterprize, a captured french frigate. It wasn't captured in "real" history.
however, i do think that "first contact" was the divergence point.
as for the discreptancy between treatment of vulcans between 22nd and 23rd century...was basically that, after the terran empire exterminated the romulans, the vulcans fell in line, started becoming ruthless for the good of the empire, and earned their respect through twisted logic based on violence.
The notion that Earth enslaved Vulcan is ludicrous. All they had was one captured geological survey vessel.
A more likely secanrio is that VUlcan hears about this and was impressed by the Humans tenacity so they approached Earth peroposing a partnership to mine Earths Asteroids belt for starship construction. Building a fleet Vulcan and Earth then invaded Tellar, Alpha Centari and Andoria to enlist them in their armies and the Terran Empire was born
That isnt Neil Armstrong and that might not be our Moon. It's some other world. That suits 22nd Century. If anything it's some ENT era Terran Empire Agent either claiming some other planet or Moon for the Empire, or is simply planting a new Terran Empire flag on the Moon.
Armstrong's mission would have likely had all the same gear as ours did. Their flag would have been the United Empire of Americas. The Terran Empire didnt arise untill AFTER Cochranes flight. There wouldnt be one in 1969
Because no one ever seems to know (me either, it was agitating me), I looked up whether that wasw Nei Armstrong. After some searching, I finally found it on the Enterprise DVD commentary: that was Armstrong, and they used the 22nd Century space suit because it was easy for them to use. Now, this annoys me to no end.
Impossible. There couldnt possibly be a Terran Empire at 1969. There wasn't even a United Earth at that time in the regular universe, so there wouldnt be one in the Mirror Universe in the 21st Century.
The two histories would have to run parallel, with only difference being the morality.
They didn't even have a background ever prepared for Future Guy so I wouldnt take anything said by it's creators at any sort of face value.
Why not? The mirror universe was much more militaristic. Nothing has been stated that the attack on the Vulcan landing ship was the breaking-off point. And I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Future Guy, what is that exactly? And I'm going to be honest, that is an official Star Trek show, officially in continuity with the others (Archer was even mentioned in the new Star Trek movie, along with his beagle), so I do take what it's creators and the show itself has to say into account.
The show was a joke. Enterprise is only relevent to the new movie as its in a seperate timeline.
Aslo they never said that was Johnathan Archer that was the Admiral. More than one person can have the same name. Plus Archer would be 148 by the time of TOS. And Porthos would have been long dead by then. Its isnt possible that the Admiral mentioned could be Johnathan.
Enterprise was a festering pile of feces that wasnt created by Roddenberry.
1) That is entirely wrong. The new movie changed time; the previous future no longer exists. And it was confirmed to be Johnathan Archer by Bob Orci (Star Trek writer). Remember McCoy on the first episode of The Next Generation? Way over 100 years old, but he was on it. This is the future, they can make people live way longer. However, the beagle has never been confirmed to be Porthos. He could have gotten another dog.
what i think is that enterprise is just as canon as everything else. i also think that, before the federation was made, some things that happened in ENT were hushed up, and they never appeared in the historical records of the federation.
personally, i think the "terran astronaut" was a piece of revisionist history by terran historians trying to make their empire an ancient thing for the next generation of terran loyalists.
I prefer the notion that the Mirror Universe history ran roughly parallel to regular universe Star Trek history, but morally inverted. Ghandi and Cheguevera had their revolutions, but each used the others methods for example.
Vulcan approached Earth needing resources for it's own fleets, saw that humans had werewithal that could help and they formed the Terran Empire as an equal partnership
Surak advocated logic, but felt Vulcans should conquer because its only logical they rule.
Don't be daft. There's nothing in either DS9 or TOS that even hints at Vulcans being treated as anything less than an equal partner in the Empire. Spock was certainly a force that was both respected and feared. And he never uttered a syllable regarding being a slave.
I wouldnt take Enterprise as gospel. They consistently got tons of stuff wrong in continuity.
The only one claiming Vulcans were slaves was Archer, and he was just a deluded psychotic jerk.
Archer was most certainly deluded, but the treatment of vulcans (and aliens, for that matter) was too harsh for it to be considered anything else. They most certainly weren't slaves, but I don't see equals. It was a Teran (or human) Empire, not a multi-species empire. And Spock was a respected force, but that was 100 years after Enterprise. And what exactly have they gotten wrong? All shows have gotten some things wrong with continuity (except TOS for obvious reasons).
Ehat have they gotten wrong? How about everything? Before Enterprise came along there wasnt the faintest hint that the NX-01 existed. It eas never displayed with the other ships named Enterprise in the TMP rec room or Picards ready room. The tech looked too advanced for something 100 years prior to TOS. And if Archer was this almighty important character, how come not one single story before Enterprise never even HINTED at his existence? Berman and Braga just made shit up as they went along
It'd be really cool if some producer read this series of comments and made the next Trek film out of it. I really think they definitely need to have a mirror universe Movie. It would be really cool to see an entire plot were humans are evil and conquering the universe. I really don't care what time period it is, but it needs to be done.
You are very welcome for the inspiration. And I agree; I've thought about it before: they have to make a Mirror Universe movie. Especially with this new series....they could make it really cool.
All of this is just my theory. It makes sense with what we know for sure about the Star Trek Universe. Then again, I could be completely wrong through simply overlooking a key detail, like your hypothesis about alternate Armstrong. But for know, I choose to go with what makes the most sense according to Trek cannon.
I think the Terran empire came into existence well before 1969 because of the HMS Enterpirze firing her cannons? Cannons? Enterprize wasn't for conquest it was for exploration... So I think what they mean here is maybe an evil version of The British Empire...
This actually fits in with Ryac3's answer. Maybe the Terran Empire was the mirror equivalent of the British Empire....and then, after beating mirror-America, replaced our flag on the moon with theirs. Wow. Spooky.
Another possible explanation is that the Terran Empire was formed shortly after Cochrane looted the Vulcan ship that landed after his warp flight. Cochrane's appearance in the Mirror Darkly episode of Enterprise sis identical to his appearance in First Contact. This suggests that Earth had just completed the Third World War. Perhaps Cochrane's reaction to having Vulcans landing in his backyard is the defining moment that seperates this univers from the Mirror Universe.
Perhaps the lack of an attack by the Borg, and therefore the absence of the Next Generation crew, was what prompted Cochrane to loot the Vulcans instead of greeting them peacefully. This would suggest that the encounter with Picard fundamentally altered Cochrane's mindset and caused him to behave in a way that was contrary to his personality. Interestingly enough this means that the Federation violated the Prime Directive to ensure its creation instead of becoming the Terran Empire.
I see what you mean, but what would have stopped the Borg from coming back in the first place? And how come there would be no TNG crew? I'm going to have to think about this for a while. But as another theory, the opener with Cochrane could be in a ravaged America which had just lost a third world war with the British/Terran Empire. Maybe the British/Terran Empire came along after the ship was looted and took the loot from Cochrane and the others.
One of the key reasons that the Borg were such a big problem for the Federation is because Q took and interest in the TNG crew and brought them to the Borg. Based on the fundamental differences in the Mirror universe it is unlikely that Q would have taken an interest in the TNG crew, and therefore the Terran Empire would not have met the Borg when they did. Because of this the Borg were unlikely to launch an attack in the past. Therefore, no TNG crew and no Federation influence.
Good point with Q. And evil Q would be creepy. But didn't the borg really first come to the Delta Quadrant (or Alpha Quadrant, I forget which Earth is in) because the crew of the NX-01 found a Bord sphere and accidentaly send a message to the other borg? Or did that not happen in the mirror universe?
Earth is in the Alpha Quadrant. And the Borg Sphere found by the researchers in Enterprise was the wreckage of the Sphere destroyed by Picard in First Contact. Therefore the Terran Empire still had no early contact with the Borg and the TNG crew.
I disagree that the Terran Empire had to exist in 1969 because of the Flag in the opening of Enterprise. The Man planting the flag is clearly wearing a space suit from the Enterprise series. This suggests that the flag planting shown happened sometime relatively close to the time of the series itself. Terran Empire probably decided to go remove the American Flag from the moon and replace it with their own flag as a show of dominance over the old superpowers of the world.
Are you trying to make me laugh: that sentence that sent to me made no senses at all. How the heck does that make sense? I'll agree, sometimes life makes no senses at all.
And, to answer your question (although it's hard to understand), I put the information that was needed. I didn't need to delve into details that weren't necessary. And also, not much is known about the empire, so I put what was known.
The latin in 2 46 means other like Death to the Tyrants...According to Terran Empire regulation 23/24/2200 you commit covert treason to the empire ..your execution has order.
1) As you know, all of that copyright stuff is going around Youtube, and I didn't want to get hit by it. Also, not enough of the information has been shown in the show to truly make non-trekkies understand.
2) This was a very good question. The Empire itself started far before 2154, but the interstellar empire started circa 2154, the symbol (flag) having been created centuries before.
3) Another good question. I didn't want to end Viva la Vida. Why complain? And thanks for viewing!
Sic semper tyrannis essentially means death to tyrants, which doesn`t fit well with the terran empire, which is ruled by an emperor. Good video otherwise.
Thank you for the compliment. I got the idea from Sic Semper Tyrannis from the Shattered Mirror story. A chapter was called Sic Semper Tyrannis, because Spock was attempting to turn the entire into a republic by killing the empress. Quite interesting book, actually. Really stinks that it isn't canon.
1:21 The space suit looks more like it belongs in the 21st century rather then 20th!
TheShadowwolf88 1 month ago
I think that the UFP would be an unworkable bureaucratic monstrosity. It would either collapse or become oppressive, like the Soviet Union. In my way of thinking, the Terran Empire would be better as it would be more authentically human.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
Love the video and a great job but that is hands down the WORSE music I have ever heard in my life! HORRIBLE!!!!!
jongaulthero 4 months ago
Part of the problem is you had too many cooks in the soup, which is why you have a lot of inconsistencies from one series to the next. Ever wonder how no mention is made of the androids created by Dr. Corby or the Alices from the original series when talking about Data? Then in Nemesis, how is it that B4 (really? that's the best you could come with?) is a predecessor to Data and Lore but is never spoken of by Dr. Soong or the android version of Mrs. Soong? Maybe it's best just to enjoy the crazy
landocxxx 8 months ago
Gene Roddenberry throws up in his grave every time someone mentions Enterprise. He would have never sanctioned that mess. In original series lore and The First Starfleet and TNG Handbooks the first Captain of the USS Enterprise was Robert April, there was no Johnathan Archer. Then Rick "Dumbass" Berman inserts the Borg, which somehow never gets mentioned in STOS or TNG. And as much as we love T'Pol and her hot self, everyone knows Spock was the first Vulcan to serve on a Federation ship.
landocxxx 8 months ago
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Read "Star Trek:TNG-Dark Mirror", It gives a more detailed accounting of how the Mirror Universe came to be. Basically, the U.S. was started as a traitor and came to world power opposite of history as we know it. Most of the science stays the same, however. What was considered the 3rd World War and the dawn of warp travel just is a flipped script which is why Cochrane kills the Vulcan and Starfleet just becomes the Terran Empire, conquering most of the galaxy .
landocxxx 8 months ago
@landocxxx Not to bust your bubble man, but that's actually considered a non-cannon novel. Now, granted, most of the novels are considered non-cannon, but that novel is especially non-cannon, as it contradicts other Mirror Universe episodes.
Axalara 8 months ago
Whatever. "Dark Mirror" was an excellent sequel to "Mirror Mirror" and better storytelling than the Mirror Universe crap that ended up on DS9.
defiant71 6 months ago
@landocxxx actually i think it was Enterprise they went in more depth
englishdragon88 8 months ago
You have no clue.
billfriday1958 9 months ago
@billfriday1958 Clue to what?
Axalara 8 months ago
the empire was created when the humans shot the vulcan that made first contact and stole his ship
kickyouinthenads 11 months ago
@kickyouinthenads But something turned Cochrane into a killer, so things had clearly begun to diverge, before then. Plus, the Vulcans had been monitoring Earth, so they'd have known what the culture was like. Why did they seek first contact? Are all cultures different over there? If so, maybe they wanted to use Earthers as cannon fodder to help take out those wimpy Klingon flower children!
theshadow1932 9 months ago
hard to get into the terran empire with some faggot music
BlackValkyire 1 year ago 9
@BlackValkyire Odd, I don't recall putting any of your music in my video...
Axalara 1 year ago 5
@Axalara The music is perfect, Axalara. Pay ignorance no mind! And your video does provoke many theories and opens the mind to varous possibilities as well. Well done!!!
ursa41 1 year ago
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"sic semper tyrannis" whats that?
bryruncorn 1 year ago
@bryruncorn Latin for "Thus always to tyrants." It's what John Wilkes Booth shouted after he shot Abraham Lincoln.
TommygunNG 3 months ago
not going to read all 113 comments so dont know if this was brought up or not but looking at the text about flag on the moon then seeing the picture i want to add that the space suit used is from enterprise era coz space suits do not look like that not even today so that flag was planted after the vulcans meet cochran... now going to watch the rest and see if any other mistakes for my next post if any more mistakes
bryruncorn 1 year ago
Correction: If Q doesn't introduce the Enterprise to the Borg, they don't hit Earth. Earth doesn't get hit, Enterprise-E doesn't go back to meet Cochran, who doesn't know about the Vulcans impending arrival. When the Vulcans land on Earth, Cochran ASSUMES it's an invasion, and the rest is Terran Imperial History. Comments?
cabbievonbump 1 year ago
Here's one theory. Q was responsible for the T/E. Rationale: TNG gets introduced to the Borg, and about 11 years later, they hit Earth with a Cube w/ a tactical sphere w/ temporal tech. Enterprise-E goes back to stop it. While some of the crew are planetside, Cochran is advised about the Vulcans. Because he knows they're coming, he doesn't shoot the first one he sees. If Enterprise-E doesn't go back (cont.)
cabbievonbump 1 year ago
"Domination of Draka" by S.M. Sterling and the series of books afterwards.
candr 1 year ago
@Dalryk Not to start argument, but the Jews were being attacked long before the war even began. And blacks were being killed too. And the Japanese were the allies of Hitler, not America, as translucentorb correctly said.
Axalara 1 year ago
MirrorUniverse = Bellyshirts
CharmingLordSausage 1 year ago
A quick assessment and Theory. The U.S.A was formed as a more militant state where a powerful centrilized government with an emphasis on the desire for a "roman society" was valued in the 1780s. Over the course of its first 150 years the U.S government quickly devolved into and empire with a named emporer. Then, after WWII, the Terran Empire formed out of what for us was the Formation of NATO, Absorbing its European Aliies as well as conquered Japan, then asserting its control over latin america
translucentorb 1 year ago
@translucentorb which is actually something we could have done if we had the inclination to, especially since we had the atomic bomb and no one else did
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
@Dalryk The issue Issue I have with that is that if the Nazis won, all humans would have been white, n other racest would ahve survived.
translucentorb 1 year ago
@translucentorb True but maybe more like the books of S. M. Stirling and his Domination of Draka, where they were a empire of tyrants in South Africa and fought on the side of the U.S. but continued on after the war to finally take the entire planet.. They had little problem with race and was more into control no matter who they were, and saw the camps as wasteful of labor .
candr 1 year ago
Your canon rule was the rule of thumb, but it has gotten a bit more complex. Episodes could me anything, including a bunch of kids in their basement could be canon. Therefore the new rule is that canon is from video/film format from CBS/Paramount productions or productions associated with cast/crew of CBS/Paramount productions.
Therefore, basement vids and novelizations are left out, but productions like Star Trek: Phase II and Starship Farragut are canon. So see Farragut's "For Want of a Nail"
proximajoe 1 year ago
Just a small note. The planting of the flag on the moon doesn't necessarily mean that the empire existed in 1969. In our own universe, we'll probably see other countries planting flags there this century. Doesn't mean they were the first. It could have formed later, and in fact, most likely did. Cochrane still had his post-World War III rabble around him, so a unified Terran empire couldn't really have existed until at least then..
rendirth 1 year ago
@rendirth Though you have a good point, in the Mirror Universe we don't know if it was a WW3 or some kind of Civil War. And that is a good point- it doesn't mean it existed in 1969. But in a deleted scene, Archer mentions "the Gods", which implies the Empire has been around for quite a while.
Axalara 1 year ago
@Axalara Huh. Yeah. That is something to consider then. In that case, I could potentially see the Terrans as some sort of Roman Empire gone horribly wrong. Thanks for the added info!
rendirth 1 year ago
@Axalara Yes, but considering the Terran Enpire's use of propaganda, I'd take it with a grain of salt
DanPhantom89 1 year ago
The Mirror Universe was immense until the end of the DS9 where it basically became an excuse for everyone to have a kinky gay opposite.
MrRenegadePhoenix 1 year ago
@MrRenegadePhoenix Lol it did kind of ruin it- at least we got to see it though!
Axalara 1 year ago
Long Live the (British) Empire
mikeismad61 1 year ago
@Dalryk Well they mentioned the Gods so it could potentially be, but the Romans did start killing eachother off (the Emperor's anyway) a lot in the latter years
Axalara 1 year ago
"Sic semper tyrannis" is what John Wilkes Boothe said after killing Abraham Lincoln meaning "thus always to tyrants" referring to the just completed assassination. hardly a quote to put above one reading "long live the empire." they kind of contradict.
Rebelscumjg 1 year ago
@Rebelscumjg It was a quote in the Mirror Universe series of books, based on an uprising against the empire.
Axalara 1 year ago
There seems to be almost like for like parallels in the mirror and prime universe, its amazing though that the mirror universe was able to emerge from the post atomic horror.
katakisLives 1 year ago
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AlleluiaElizabeth 1 year ago
I like to believe that the whole Terran Empire is What our world would be like if the Roman Empire never fell.
archangel72367 1 year ago
@archangel72367 Yeah, I agree, it's fun to think about what would have happened if it never did.
Axalara 1 year ago
what with the loud crappy music
outpostflags 2 years ago
Thanks for the view!
Axalara 2 years ago
@Axalara I think, even if Empire suppose to be created... I doubt what humans will be like this! This is just unnatural for humans! I mean, to build such personalities of a nation... you must put in they're genes: Romulan's arrogance and suspicious, Klingon's cruelty and Cardassian's nationalistic ideas!
DAMMIT!
TheLazyPhilosopher 1 year ago
@TheLazyPhilosopher Well look at the Mongols....horrible killers that created the largest land-based empires ever.
Axalara 1 year ago
@Axalara YES! Chingis-Khan did it well! =) Because of his legacy, Batu-Khan almost destroy my country and made from it a part of the Mongol Empire.
Only after two centuries of bloody rebellions and battles, my people defeat Mongols. And look at this now, Siberia is ours, just like all northern Mongolian lands! ;)
TheLazyPhilosopher 1 year ago
@TheLazyPhilosopher I take it you're Russian then?
Axalara 1 year ago
@Axalara Well, yes. Or... wait a minute ... always thought what I'm Romulan, no have no pointy ears... to bad =(
TheLazyPhilosopher 1 year ago
@TheLazyPhilosopher Ah, I'm sorry man.
Axalara 1 year ago
@Axalara No problem! ;)
TheLazyPhilosopher 1 year ago
Not officially. The Borg appeared in the Glass Empires story collection, and I'm not sure about e Jem Hadaar.
Axalara 2 years ago
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, if you mean what I think, then what happened was humanity just progressed incredibly fast until they became superior to the Vulcans.
Axalara 2 years ago
Hey um, when is the second part coming? :D
Also, I want to kill the Mirror Zefram Cochrane so he couldn't discover warp-speed. The Mirror Humans should be doomed to Earth for another billion years because of their violent nature. >:(
Neso906 2 years ago
Hmmmm...that'd be interesting. And I know, I need to make the second part, I've been thinking about it for a whole.
Axalara 2 years ago
@Neso906 never long live the empire we were top until kirk and his useless ideas convinced spock to demilatarise then the other race took revenge. lucky benjamin sisko gave the Terran Militia the defiant and plans for more.
october3110 2 years ago
agh why am i still reacting to a bunch of sad little hors
niels332 2 years ago
...you spelled "whores" wrong.
Axalara 2 years ago
This is rather very wasteful video, pinpoint initial time to 1969 is practically only thing there and it does seem wrong, look at how the mirrors salute, it look like...
actsai1 2 years ago
I'm sorry I don't speak that language, what are you trying to say?
Axalara 2 years ago
cant use a other music idiot
niels332 2 years ago
Did you just say the phrase "cant use a other music idiot"? Do you know how....well, though it's a bad pun, idiotic that sounds?
Axalara 2 years ago
this music is better then ur idiotic head
niels332 2 years ago
Ummmm......what?
Axalara 2 years ago
niels332 stfu
smitto21 2 years ago
no u bitch
niels332 2 years ago
the only bitch here is you since you are drabbling on like a Tarkellian slug
smitto21 2 years ago
Why thank you smitto21. And niels332, thank you for the continuing views!
Axalara 2 years ago
lol awesome vid
smitto21 2 years ago
get a life nub cus u dont have one and i have it already pc nerdo
niels332 2 years ago
blah blah blah shut up P'Tak
smitto21 2 years ago
Sir, I do believe you spelled "noob" wrong. That's pretty sad.
Axalara 2 years ago
:))
smitto21 2 years ago
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ihaveawesomevids 2 years ago
"Sic Semper Tyrannis" means "Thus ever to tyrants," or "Death to tyrants." Odd slogan for a tyranny!
John Wilkes booth shouted this after assassinating president Abraham Lincoln.
(Of course, in the Mirror Universe, actor John Wilkes booth was assassinated by an obscure Illinois lawyer named Abraham Lincoln! -LOL!)
TheRebel2007 2 years ago
I honestly don't know why I used it. In this one Mirror Universe book I have, the short story where Spock takes control has that quote in the beginning. And Lol, that would be funny. Actually, it's an interesting thought.
Axalara 2 years ago
Tyrants rarely describe themselves as tyrants.
ChibiabosWolf 2 years ago
Ahhhh....
TheRebel2007 2 years ago
Thanks for the video, Axalara. By the way, there is one way to make Star Trek novels and short stories canon - MAKE THEM INTO MOVIES AND/OR TELEVISION SERIES! There is a lot of Star Trek prose that deserves to have this done to it.
Selica76 2 years ago
You're welcome! And I completely agree. There's that entire New Frontier series. Or heck, they could have a mirror universe series. I know that the makers of the new movie took some ideas from their favorite novels, but so much more could be done, I completely agree.
Axalara 2 years ago
Thanx!
TheRebel2007 2 years ago
innapropriate music
godalful 2 years ago
How come? The Terran Empire full of tyrants, and Viva la Vida's about a fallen tyrant.
Axalara 2 years ago
The Music sounds to upbeat to be paired with a savage and brutal place like the Mirror Universe. the music should be heavier, dark and twisted like the M.U.
godalful 2 years ago
Hmmm...never thought about it that way, good point. When I make the next one I'll think of that. Seriously, no sarcasm.
Axalara 2 years ago
No problem
godalful 2 years ago
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Lukelr 2 years ago
Interesting concept. How so?
Axalara 2 years ago
The convergence happened at least before the 15th century. Didn't flox say that shakespeare was different? And if you go by the opening, the first Enterprise was HMS Enterprize, a captured french frigate. It wasn't captured in "real" history.
iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg 2 years ago
Shakespeare! You're right! That narrows it down to a few centuries.
Axalara 2 years ago
however, i do think that "first contact" was the divergence point.
as for the discreptancy between treatment of vulcans between 22nd and 23rd century...was basically that, after the terran empire exterminated the romulans, the vulcans fell in line, started becoming ruthless for the good of the empire, and earned their respect through twisted logic based on violence.
bookworm1138 2 years ago
Very good point, I never really thought about how the Vulcans fell in line.
Axalara 2 years ago
What do you mean?
Axalara 2 years ago
The notion that Earth enslaved Vulcan is ludicrous. All they had was one captured geological survey vessel.
A more likely secanrio is that VUlcan hears about this and was impressed by the Humans tenacity so they approached Earth peroposing a partnership to mine Earths Asteroids belt for starship construction. Building a fleet Vulcan and Earth then invaded Tellar, Alpha Centari and Andoria to enlist them in their armies and the Terran Empire was born
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
That isnt Neil Armstrong and that might not be our Moon. It's some other world. That suits 22nd Century. If anything it's some ENT era Terran Empire Agent either claiming some other planet or Moon for the Empire, or is simply planting a new Terran Empire flag on the Moon.
Armstrong's mission would have likely had all the same gear as ours did. Their flag would have been the United Empire of Americas. The Terran Empire didnt arise untill AFTER Cochranes flight. There wouldnt be one in 1969
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
Because no one ever seems to know (me either, it was agitating me), I looked up whether that wasw Nei Armstrong. After some searching, I finally found it on the Enterprise DVD commentary: that was Armstrong, and they used the 22nd Century space suit because it was easy for them to use. Now, this annoys me to no end.
Axalara 2 years ago
Impossible. There couldnt possibly be a Terran Empire at 1969. There wasn't even a United Earth at that time in the regular universe, so there wouldnt be one in the Mirror Universe in the 21st Century.
The two histories would have to run parallel, with only difference being the morality.
They didn't even have a background ever prepared for Future Guy so I wouldnt take anything said by it's creators at any sort of face value.
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
Why not? The mirror universe was much more militaristic. Nothing has been stated that the attack on the Vulcan landing ship was the breaking-off point. And I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Future Guy, what is that exactly? And I'm going to be honest, that is an official Star Trek show, officially in continuity with the others (Archer was even mentioned in the new Star Trek movie, along with his beagle), so I do take what it's creators and the show itself has to say into account.
Axalara 2 years ago
The show was a joke. Enterprise is only relevent to the new movie as its in a seperate timeline.
Aslo they never said that was Johnathan Archer that was the Admiral. More than one person can have the same name. Plus Archer would be 148 by the time of TOS. And Porthos would have been long dead by then. Its isnt possible that the Admiral mentioned could be Johnathan.
Enterprise was a festering pile of feces that wasnt created by Roddenberry.
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
1) That is entirely wrong. The new movie changed time; the previous future no longer exists. And it was confirmed to be Johnathan Archer by Bob Orci (Star Trek writer). Remember McCoy on the first episode of The Next Generation? Way over 100 years old, but he was on it. This is the future, they can make people live way longer. However, the beagle has never been confirmed to be Porthos. He could have gotten another dog.
Axalara 2 years ago
what i think is that enterprise is just as canon as everything else. i also think that, before the federation was made, some things that happened in ENT were hushed up, and they never appeared in the historical records of the federation.
personally, i think the "terran astronaut" was a piece of revisionist history by terran historians trying to make their empire an ancient thing for the next generation of terran loyalists.
bookworm1138 2 years ago
I prefer the notion that the Mirror Universe history ran roughly parallel to regular universe Star Trek history, but morally inverted. Ghandi and Cheguevera had their revolutions, but each used the others methods for example.
Vulcan approached Earth needing resources for it's own fleets, saw that humans had werewithal that could help and they formed the Terran Empire as an equal partnership
Surak advocated logic, but felt Vulcans should conquer because its only logical they rule.
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
I agree with most of this, except for the equal partnership part; the Vulcans were almost definitely treated as a subspecies.
Axalara 2 years ago
Don't be daft. There's nothing in either DS9 or TOS that even hints at Vulcans being treated as anything less than an equal partner in the Empire. Spock was certainly a force that was both respected and feared. And he never uttered a syllable regarding being a slave.
I wouldnt take Enterprise as gospel. They consistently got tons of stuff wrong in continuity.
The only one claiming Vulcans were slaves was Archer, and he was just a deluded psychotic jerk.
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
Archer was most certainly deluded, but the treatment of vulcans (and aliens, for that matter) was too harsh for it to be considered anything else. They most certainly weren't slaves, but I don't see equals. It was a Teran (or human) Empire, not a multi-species empire. And Spock was a respected force, but that was 100 years after Enterprise. And what exactly have they gotten wrong? All shows have gotten some things wrong with continuity (except TOS for obvious reasons).
Axalara 2 years ago
Ehat have they gotten wrong? How about everything? Before Enterprise came along there wasnt the faintest hint that the NX-01 existed. It eas never displayed with the other ships named Enterprise in the TMP rec room or Picards ready room. The tech looked too advanced for something 100 years prior to TOS. And if Archer was this almighty important character, how come not one single story before Enterprise never even HINTED at his existence? Berman and Braga just made shit up as they went along
ReverendSyn 2 years ago
It's like Star Wars. Darth Maul was never mentioned or hinted to at ALL in a New Hope, but he was still there.
Axalara 2 years ago
It sounds quite interesting, will you bew putting it on Youtube?
Axalara 2 years ago
It's funny I always wondered what happens to a person in the mirror universe if they are a gemini lol
darkskythe 2 years ago
Lol, good point, never thought of that.
Axalara 2 years ago
It'd be really cool if some producer read this series of comments and made the next Trek film out of it. I really think they definitely need to have a mirror universe Movie. It would be really cool to see an entire plot were humans are evil and conquering the universe. I really don't care what time period it is, but it needs to be done.
Ryac3 2 years ago
You are very welcome for the inspiration. And I agree; I've thought about it before: they have to make a Mirror Universe movie. Especially with this new series....they could make it really cool.
Axalara 2 years ago
All of this is just my theory. It makes sense with what we know for sure about the Star Trek Universe. Then again, I could be completely wrong through simply overlooking a key detail, like your hypothesis about alternate Armstrong. But for know, I choose to go with what makes the most sense according to Trek cannon.
Ryac3 2 years ago
It's a great theory, I love it.
Axalara 2 years ago
Thanks. I hadn't really thought about it until I saw this video, and it gave me the inspiration to put the pieces together and make my theory.
So, thank you for the inspiration.
Ryac3 2 years ago
I think the Terran empire came into existence well before 1969 because of the HMS Enterpirze firing her cannons? Cannons? Enterprize wasn't for conquest it was for exploration... So I think what they mean here is maybe an evil version of The British Empire...
SVWillmer 2 years ago
This actually fits in with Ryac3's answer. Maybe the Terran Empire was the mirror equivalent of the British Empire....and then, after beating mirror-America, replaced our flag on the moon with theirs. Wow. Spooky.
Axalara 2 years ago
Another possible explanation is that the Terran Empire was formed shortly after Cochrane looted the Vulcan ship that landed after his warp flight. Cochrane's appearance in the Mirror Darkly episode of Enterprise sis identical to his appearance in First Contact. This suggests that Earth had just completed the Third World War. Perhaps Cochrane's reaction to having Vulcans landing in his backyard is the defining moment that seperates this univers from the Mirror Universe.
Ryac3 2 years ago
Perhaps the lack of an attack by the Borg, and therefore the absence of the Next Generation crew, was what prompted Cochrane to loot the Vulcans instead of greeting them peacefully. This would suggest that the encounter with Picard fundamentally altered Cochrane's mindset and caused him to behave in a way that was contrary to his personality. Interestingly enough this means that the Federation violated the Prime Directive to ensure its creation instead of becoming the Terran Empire.
Ryac3 2 years ago
Also, the Borg are responsible for creating the Federation instead of the Terran Empire.
Ryac3 2 years ago
I see what you mean, but what would have stopped the Borg from coming back in the first place? And how come there would be no TNG crew? I'm going to have to think about this for a while. But as another theory, the opener with Cochrane could be in a ravaged America which had just lost a third world war with the British/Terran Empire. Maybe the British/Terran Empire came along after the ship was looted and took the loot from Cochrane and the others.
Axalara 2 years ago
One of the key reasons that the Borg were such a big problem for the Federation is because Q took and interest in the TNG crew and brought them to the Borg. Based on the fundamental differences in the Mirror universe it is unlikely that Q would have taken an interest in the TNG crew, and therefore the Terran Empire would not have met the Borg when they did. Because of this the Borg were unlikely to launch an attack in the past. Therefore, no TNG crew and no Federation influence.
Ryac3 2 years ago
Good point with Q. And evil Q would be creepy. But didn't the borg really first come to the Delta Quadrant (or Alpha Quadrant, I forget which Earth is in) because the crew of the NX-01 found a Bord sphere and accidentaly send a message to the other borg? Or did that not happen in the mirror universe?
Axalara 2 years ago
Earth is in the Alpha Quadrant. And the Borg Sphere found by the researchers in Enterprise was the wreckage of the Sphere destroyed by Picard in First Contact. Therefore the Terran Empire still had no early contact with the Borg and the TNG crew.
Ryac3 2 years ago
Thank you. I thought so, but I wasn't positive.
Axalara 2 years ago
Cool video.
DeanSpockwell 2 years ago
Thanks!
Axalara 2 years ago
I disagree that the Terran Empire had to exist in 1969 because of the Flag in the opening of Enterprise. The Man planting the flag is clearly wearing a space suit from the Enterprise series. This suggests that the flag planting shown happened sometime relatively close to the time of the series itself. Terran Empire probably decided to go remove the American Flag from the moon and replace it with their own flag as a show of dominance over the old superpowers of the world.
Ryac3 2 years ago
Wow.....very good points. You're probably right, now that I think about it.
Axalara 2 years ago
how old are you. that sentence that sent to me made no senses at all.
megafrog123 2 years ago
Are you trying to make me laugh: that sentence that sent to me made no senses at all. How the heck does that make sense? I'll agree, sometimes life makes no senses at all.
Axalara 2 years ago
And, to answer your question (although it's hard to understand), I put the information that was needed. I didn't need to delve into details that weren't necessary. And also, not much is known about the empire, so I put what was known.
Axalara 2 years ago
that sucked you gave to little information about the empire.
megafrog123 2 years ago
I gave as much as was definite and necessary.
Axalara 2 years ago
You're the Captain's woman until he says you're not.
carnivalofsouls2047 3 years ago
Well, not for nothing, but that makes no sense.
Axalara 3 years ago
The latin in 2 46 means other like Death to the Tyrants...According to Terran Empire regulation 23/24/2200 you commit covert treason to the empire ..your execution has order.
In aeternum Imperator vi et armi dominor...
knighttemplar6 3 years ago
Cool, thanks!
Axalara 3 years ago
booooring...
ThrawnDuGard2 3 years ago
Thrawn; is that from the Star Wars character? And thanks for the view.
Axalara 3 years ago
yes it is
ThrawnDuGard2 3 years ago
if u didnt like then dont watch lol :)
smitto21 2 years ago
ok ?
frostymoviesjp 3 years ago
Not really, one I wanted to have the song, and two I preferred this style of explanation. Thanks though.
Axalara 3 years ago
Damn, this read my mind. Thank you!
Orypeci 3 years ago
Wow, a positive compliment! No one's left one in a while. Thanks!
Axalara 3 years ago
pfft you should of used fottage from the shows idiot
frostyfilmsjp 3 years ago
Well guess what? Thsi has 1,800 views, so...... burn.
Axalara 3 years ago
1) As you know, all of that copyright stuff is going around Youtube, and I didn't want to get hit by it. Also, not enough of the information has been shown in the show to truly make non-trekkies understand.
2) This was a very good question. The Empire itself started far before 2154, but the interstellar empire started circa 2154, the symbol (flag) having been created centuries before.
3) Another good question. I didn't want to end Viva la Vida. Why complain? And thanks for viewing!
Axalara 3 years ago
actually some sourses even say the empire was around even longer previously to even 1969
smitto21 2 years ago
That was not very good. You could have told what you did in three slides in 15 seconds. Looks like an excuse to play a Coldplay song.
EBone12355 3 years ago
No wonder you've got only one friend. Ever heard of details? 15 seconds would have been boring.
Axalara 3 years ago
Oh, and I forgot: thanks for viewing!
Axalara 3 years ago
Sic semper tyrannis essentially means death to tyrants, which doesn`t fit well with the terran empire, which is ruled by an emperor. Good video otherwise.
Tamburlaine1 3 years ago
Thank you for the compliment. I got the idea from Sic Semper Tyrannis from the Shattered Mirror story. A chapter was called Sic Semper Tyrannis, because Spock was attempting to turn the entire into a republic by killing the empress. Quite interesting book, actually. Really stinks that it isn't canon.
Axalara 3 years ago
COOL
thrawg111 3 years ago
Thanks! I'm making the second part soon.
Axalara 3 years ago
Like the song and very informative. Alot of information.
OceanKat11 3 years ago
Thanks! I'm a really huge Star Trek fan, and I've wanted to do this for a while.
Axalara 3 years ago
yes m sure ive already told you but spok sucks.
Fathead1924 3 years ago
Oh, I think you commented on the wrong video. This is not his era. This is post World War 3 in the mainstream universe.
Axalara 3 years ago
WHAT?????
Fathead1924 3 years ago
In Star Trek, World War 3 had ended not long before Cochrane made his flight.
Axalara 3 years ago
Even though i have no idea about anything of star trek...it was informitave! Good Job
Nintenman12 3 years ago
Thanks! I had a hard time picking out a song for it.
Axalara 3 years ago