The Historical Jesus: Man vs. Myth (Dr. Ehrman) II

[bonnie43uk]

If you say something with enough conviction, people will believe you. A classic example is Joseph Smith, founder of the latter day saints Mormon religion. Reading the accounts of his revelation it seems to me ridiculous beyond belief, yet there are millions of people who DO believe it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Dzonrid]

@jefersontorres Could he write?

[SokJuice]

Wow...I was with this guy until the latter half of the video. His logic is totally off. It's perfectly fine to think that miracles are improbable, or else they wouldn't be miracles. But to say "history" has nothing to say about miracles is ludicrous. It's almost similar to the claims that the question of miracles is not a scientific question, but a metaphysical one--it's the wrong magesteria!

You know what would provide validity to claims of miracles? Numerous independent accounts.

[wadejared5]

@SokJuice

So we should start adding miracles to our children's history books?

[TheTomtompiper]

@SokJuice "You know what would provide validity to claims of miracles? Numerous independent accounts." No it wouldn't it would only provide validity that people claimed to have seen miracles. We have "Numerous independent accounts."  of alien abduction, and they are first hand sworn testimonies, do you assert that these "Validate" alien abduction? Poppycock.

[TheSultan03]

@TheTomtompiper That is a very interesting and unique point. I like it!

[lautaa33]

@TheSultan03 it is not unique, is the most common (yet valid) point ever made

[TheSultan03]

@lautaa33 Most people that discount the bibles validity include amognst their arguments the fact that the bible has little to no outside verification. I found it a unique point of view to dismiss the proposal wholesale, and depend solely on the realistic probability of the assertions. You apparantly agree.  I'm glad. You seemed to argue my acceptance of a point you agree with, but whatever.

[lautaa33]

@TheSultan03 lol yeah you are right, it happens that I hear that no independant account proves miracles in the last episode of the atheist experience and in other sources. whatever.

[11111011]

This is a great lecture. Thanks for putting this up!

[123Atheist]

Basilisk lizards can run on water.

[morthim]

"our sources are contradictory" that is why they prove that the claims are worthless. the probability is infinitesimally small.

math, physics, chemistry, multiple biblical accounts, all of that, offer evidence that there is no truth in gospel.

do they show there are no exceptions? no, but a claim needs more evidence to be an exception to a rule, than to obey the rule. and there is no evidence for the claim of jesus; this is unlike the perpetual motion machine in sweden which still functions.