islam is the truth, morocco a muslim country first recognised usa as a new nation, and has the longest trade agreement with usa, and yet u give your respect to jews? America is weak
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They have a lot of information (some truth, mixed with MASSIVE quantities of LIES) on Islam.
Notice that these Islamaphobic people ONLY have a home @ the Faux Noise Notwork.
I'm only saddened that the Muslim is not only not clarifying the meaning of jihad for those ignoramuses, he's cosigning their madness that they're speaking against Islam!
@DeucePrez Jihad has two meanings. There is the "greater" and the "lesser" jihad. There is a false hadith that started this distinction, however al-Ghazali disregarded the hadith and used the Qur'an to legitimize it. The "greater" jihad is of the soul-to be a better Muslim. The "lesser" jihad is of the sword-to kill the infidel. Even al-Ghazali believed that the "lesser" jihad of the sword was the most important part of Islam. Faux Noise is usually bs but these guys got some good info.
Read the quran my fellow nonmuslims and you will know the truth of this violent imperial belief. The Caliphate got started by killing Jews and Christians, and it will rise again in this way. Muhammad IS an antichrist!!!! He was a rapist, a liar, a thief, a slavemonger, a murderer and a conqueror who set out to conquer. Those with eyes to see, let them see. Those with ears to hear, let them hear.
@aymenzrocX Muslims early on may have been persecuted by their pagan arab coinhabitants, but they were not persecuted by Christianity or Judaism. That idea is so far removed from reality that it is fantasy. Muhammad only had one thing on his mind, and thats killing Jews and Christians, taking their lands, raping their women, enslaving their children, and replacing their religion. Muhammad is a false prophet and a dead man, and thats all he is.
@particle58@aymenzrocX Muhammad preached peace in Mecca, then he and his followers were driven out by the Meccans. They migrated to Medina and Muhammad's message became one of violence. In 627 the battle of the trench took place where the Meccans allied with another Arab tribe & the Jews of Medina against Muhammad and his followers. This is why Muslims hate Jews. The crusades are why Muslims hate Christians. At any rate "There are moderate peaceful Muslims, there is no moderate peaceful Islam"
I'm Muslim and an American and I have never heard about Sharia Law until I watched Fox news and heard them ranting about something that doesn't exist. I'm so surprised that Fox News that make up something so quickly and scare much of America! I mean, If Fox News said the Flying Spaghetti Monster was coming soon to the American shores, I honestly believe that most Americans would fly in a terrible panic! What a disgrace to the human intellect!
@YemeniteChanter If youre muslim, and youre saying you never heard of Sharia, then you are a liar. You are either a) not muslim or b) a lying subverter
oh i just hear about another of your scientists that studied a miraculous verse in the holy Quran and then converts to Islam it is Professor Arthur Alison the head of the Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering in the University of London!!
Dr Jeffrey Lang and Dr Keith Moore are two of the world's most famous scientists you must read they book they clearly said that the holy Quran is full of signs in harmony with actual science, i read Dawkins book "God delusion" it's about ideology not about science and he have done no study about Quran miracles!
why are you so angry? you just have to give me an evidence!, the iranian president himself told us in interview that she was convicted in the murder oh his husband and for adultery with his accomplice!
Stop following the propaganda and Stop playing the CLOWN
i'm sorry can you help me, i haven't found any published study of Dawkins about scientific miracles in the holy quran!
when you start insultinfg you prove that you are stranded! i'm religious and i respect science because my religion tell me to do so, you jump from a topic to another when i answer you, and you aren't able to give any evidence in any issue!
i should help not only iranians i should help also palestinians and afghans and irakis and americans why focus on Iran? when the shah of Iran was executing daily iranians for political issues we never heard such things about Iran! the shah was one of american's allies in the region! but now when a woman who killed his husband is convicted to death sentence usa can't accept it! amazing!
the mainstream! the mainstream studied the holy quran and made studies and say what you are saying!? come on!, can you give three scientists from your side like i did? those scientists say clearly that there is a lot of knowledge in the holy quran that wasn't known in that time.
ohh that what you are saying! but a lot of western scientists say that there is total harmony between holy Quran and science! like Dr.Maurice Bucaille and Dr.Jeffery Lanf and Dr.Keith Moore.... may be you know about science more than all of them!
i don't deny execution in Iran but there is also executions in USA! why do you focus on iranian execution only? this is why i said this is about geostrategic politics not human rights
here is some islamic relief orgs in darfur (International Islamic Relief Organisation (IIRO)), Islamic relief worldWide (IRW), Islamic African Relief Agency (IARA),Saudi Red Crescent.....
just propaganda,this is geopolitical interests , why there is no western interest in Gaza and fallujah when westerns used phosphorus weapons and according to UNO reports burned thousands of women and children and are still under embargo ! western organization use human rights to enter weapons in darfur and to devide the country. why western stand up for a single iranian women who killed his husband and not for more than 50 american women who are also sentenced to death ?
this is your problem you are victims of your medias you can't see the reality on the ground, there is a lot of muslims against dictatorships and terrorism and thousands of them died in dictator"s jails or by terrorist operations, all islamic scholars organizations condemned terrorism, but your ledia don't show you these kind of news!
we don't refuse that evil can be and is done in the name of all religions and all ideologies and vlues (democracy and freedom..), but you refuse to admit it
this is your problem you are victims of your medias you can't see the reality on the ground, there is a lot of muslims against dictatorships and terrorism and thousands of them died in dictator"s jails or by terrorist operations, all islamic scholars organizations condemned terrorism, but your ledia don't show you these kind of news!
we don't refuse that evil can be and is done in the name of all religions and all ideologies and vlues (democracy and freedom..), but you refuse to admit it
all about propaganda and you can't give any evidence with references and debate it! keep lying....the terorism is made by your countries and the dictatoships are helped and established by your countries and animal abuse is made in your countries ....etc. so you can't simply come and say that all this is about Islam, your countries are not islamic!
@4711inside oh really!! are you joking! Bush and blair aren't criminals? they haven't killed thousands of women and children and lie front of all the world in UNO to justify wars? they haven't used depleted uranium weapons causing 30 deformed new birth in Fallujah daily?
your story about the woman will be good scenario for horror movie! this is fake story never happened!
these names are the worst examples of humanity Hitler, George w Bush, Tony Blair, Stalin, Pol Pot etc..., but according to your historians and philosophers the prophet Muhammed was the good example for humanity and you have to read more books and be more objectif to get it
no what you are saying is not right, here is the result of american study wich is no on the website of (the endocrine society) specialist in Homrmon research! (/cgi/content/full/24/5/668#R7) the age of maturity of afro-americans in usa is about 11.4 yrs, and even if it is 12 yrs in nowadays, scientist say that this is age changes according to social and environemental conditions
nobody try to execuse anything, the prophet was an example of humanity, you are talking about pedophily and you don't even know waht's mean, yes in western church there is now thousands of pedophily cases, but the prophet had never made sexual relation except with his wives, you talk about age of maturity and you research centers tell us now that the age of maturity in usa amoung afro-americans is 11.4yrs and the age of marriage in europe before just 2 centuries was 12! was they pedophiles?
@MrKimou1 'the prophet was an example of humanity?!' That's absolutely NOT what muslims teach and preach and you know it! They preach that he is the ULTIMATE example of humanity. The example that all should follow. You're trying to backtrack on what is universally taught in Islam. Muhammad was a woefully flawed human being and Muslims are just fed up with having to defend him and his atrocious acts.
atrocious acts!! before him people without power was automatically enslaved and killed, Romans and Persians occupy the lands and forced people to pay them a lot of money and majority of foods was automatically transfered to persi and Roma, all people had to follow one religion christianity (roman areas) or paganism (persian areas) woman had no rights! after the prophets these two empires collapse and all these pains ends churchs was conserved until now! and jews escape europe to islamic world
@MrKimou1 Women had no rights? And you say Muhammad corrected this? Yeah, he corrected it so well that in Sharia law, two female witnesses are needed as equivalent to one man. Now we know in our enlightened, modern times that women are AS valid, AS intelligent and AS worthy as men. Muhammad clearly did not believe this. Now to me, I would have assumed that of all the 'revelations' given to Mo, instructions like 'treat women equally' and 'don't sleep with kids' would have been given..?
yes Islam corrected this, you ignore it because you prefer to continue your islamophobia without studying the subject, you know in europe just before 2 centuries women had no right of inheritance and have no right ti financial independance and had no right to work, whil before 14 centuries muslim woman have all these rights! you talk about witness and you ignore that this is not a general statement woman can witness in some issues while the witness of man is not accepted. try to study
@MrKimou1 Sorry hold up a second. Islamophobia? It's not Islamophobia, it's not an 'attack', it's called criticism. Why are Muslims so petrified of legitimate questions?! And I'm afraid I do study the subject. Sadly there are issues however that I cannot get my head around which I why I raise them - like the having sex with kids thing! Now, the Qur'an instructs that in matters of jurisprudence, two women are needed for one man witnesses. That is in your holy frikkin book! ...
@Mrkimou1 Now if it is in your damn book, then follow it! If you don't follow it, then you aren't a practicing Muslim. If you don't 'Kill whoever leaves his Islamic religion' then you aren't a practicing Muslim. Just because you don't follow Muhammad's example and instruction, doesn't mean the instructions aren't there! And you haven't tackled my point, which is understandable because it's pretty damn strong; If Muhammad had revelations from ALLAH himself, why didn't Allah say 'Don't...
@Mrkimou1 ...have sex with Aisha, she's only 9 years old' and 'Don't say that two women are needed for every one man in matters of jurisprudence, because women are equal to men'. It's no good just saying 'Oh you're just an Islamophobe' when things get uncomfortable for you. Do you really think that God in his almighty, absolute perfection, create a book like the Qur'an which is so WOEFULLY flawed that it is misunderstood and misinterpreted in the extreme?!
the holly quran say that men are equal to women, and there is no verse that commands that sex with Aisha, she's only 9 years old' and 'Don't say that two women are needed for every one man in matters of jurisprudence! this is lies! and Aisha was mature when the prophet marry her! islam don't allow to have sex out of marriage. if you are talking about the age! you should review american studies on the age of maturity! may be you will deny sciences too!
@MrKimou1 You use the word propaganda a lot don't you? And I'm not escaping you fool lol I'm here. I'm waiting for you to accept facts but you won't. Only the misguided, delirious, deluded religious mind could convince themselves that a 9 year old child is ready for sex with a man over 50. Muhammad was a man, a poor one. He was nothing more. You'll realise that one day.
may be i'll realise that one day but only if you made little efforts to convaince me, talking about issues without evidence can't help me! when american scientists say nowadays not before 1400 years, in usa the average age of maturity for afro-americans is 10.4 yrs and when they say that the age of maturity depends on environmental and social conditions like climats and stress! and when history tell me that in europe just before 200 years not 1400 women married at 12yr! all this don't help me!
1. Why are you mentioning Afro-Americans when Aisha was an Arab?
2. You're saying that the average age of maturity for Afro-Americans in the USA is 10.4 years. Strange, because earlier you said it was 11.4 years. And you're calling ME a liar? lol
@MrKimou1 Aisha was never able to bare children. Do you think that maybe this had something to do with having her tiny womb destroyed at the age of nine years old by the prophet of Islam?
there is millions of women nowadays who can't have children and they have being married at least at 18years or more you can check statistics and see! for example in usa just among married women ages 15-44 there is 2.1 million women! and according to science the age of maturity depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters like climat, polution, stress etc.., and nowadays the AVERAGE of the age of maturity in usa is 11.4for white americans and 10.4 for afro american!
@MrKimou1 Stop making excuses, you think no one knows what you are doing? You are behaving just like the Catholic Pope covering for pedophiles in the same manner. You can try and paint a pretty picture of a pedophile who murdered at will, who stole at will, who was a tyrant, who saw Arabs as the master race all you like, but we are not fucking buying it, comprende?
Peddle your nonsense to someone else, your "holy mother" had any chances of bearing a child ruined by her molester.
where do you see excuses? you must stop your propaganda! instead of answering my scientific arguments you say excuses! the pope can't cover the pedophiles and nobody can.
no that is not what i said. i said that no one can cover pedophilia. i just prove that what you said about Aisha was false! and showed you scientific argument that you couldn't deny.
@MrKimou1 You are actually giving reasons why you can still fuck a 9 year old female and try and make it seem somehow "decent", you are such a piece of shit. Oh I just checked your origin, "Morocco", that's all I needed to know. A disgusting little country that is polluting European culture with the worst kind of sexual deviants, I am done talking to you now, I could have saved myself some time if I had of checked first.
Read the Hadith by Aisha, unless you think she is a liar too, pervert.
no, you are changing my word to srve your propaganda, nowadays there is another context, new environmental and social parameters this is why all countries voted new laws toincrease the age of mariage for example the age of mariage before just 2 centuries in europe was 12 and now it is 18! do you think that all europeans was pedophiles?; all your statements about Morocco are false! if i choose your way i can say lot of thing about yours--->
@MrKimou1 I make no distinction whatsoever to any nation or people that take the innocence away from "children", whether they be N or S American, European, Asian, Australian, African or Middle Eastern. But there is no Theocratic law that enforces the marrying of children to dirty old men in Europe or the US today, is there? Morocco is an Islamic sharia SHITHOLE, but go on, deny it.
Say all you want about the US, we call that "freedom of speech", and you won't end up in prison for it here.
flase you see you are just spreading your propaganda, in Moroco the age of mariage is 18! and in Islam there is no theocratic law that enforce marrying of children to dirty or not dirty old men. so you are just liar and ignorant i suggest that you start reading some books.
say all you want about Morroco, we call that "freedom of speech", and you won't en up in prison for it here.
@MrKimou1 Pull your head out of your ass, Morocco still has Sharia, the age of consent is 15, while homosexuality is still illegal and people are sent to prison for it. Try your taqiyya on the people that fall for it. Morocco tries to pass itself of as "Secular" what a fucking joke that is....lol. Your country has even banned un-Islamic names for Moroccan Muslims that live in Europe, yeah your country is a proud secular nation alright, my ass.
@MrKimou1 As long as the Qur'an exists then you have your theocratic law, if your "prophet" married a 6 year old and he is the Muslim to emulate then the loophole is there for any Muslim to practice it, same for polygamy, same for jihad, same for martyrdom and the same for lying your ass off (taqiyya) to protect the image of Islam. Compare all you like, Morocco has 32 Million people. the US has 307 Million people in it. That's roughly the amount of Muslims in the entire Middle East and Africa.
i'm talking about the rates! 300 millions or 30 millions it doesn't matter! these UN report show us how much your society is corrupted top rapes, top criminality, top pedophilia, etc....
Quran don't fix an age of marriage because the age of marriage depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters and this is great because this allow muslims to fix this age according to these parameters this is why this age now in Morocco is 18! you can't understand this but muslims can because they follow Islam. we are proud of Quran and we are proud to practice Jihad and Polygamy respecting the islamic conditions of these concepts.
Quran don't fix an age of marriage because the age of marriage depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters and this is great because this allow muslims to fix this age according to these parameters this is why this age now in Morocco is 18! you can't understand this but muslims can because they follow Islam. we are proud of Quran and we are proud to practice Jihad and Polygamy respecting the islamic conditions of these concepts.
@MrKimou1 No, you can't understand 'because' you're a Muslim, because you are indoctrinated with fallacious rhetoric, designed very carefully to make you obedient to a dead Ideology. We know you're proud of your indoctrination, you don't need to inform anyone of that. Your (new) laws are just useless words on paper as Muslims will always take their laws from the Quran, where its ok to beat your wife for disobedience. Well now Islam is being slapped around for its insolence, paybacks a bitch.
you are just ignorant we do take our laws from quran this is why our new law say that the age of marriage in this new context should be about 18yrs! and your old laws about the age of marriage also was changed to take our new environmental and social paramets in conseideration! and for Isam your prove your ignorance every day ex christian scientists and philosophers and artists and diplomates and journalists and priests converts to Islam so it's a great moments for islam! read some books
@MrKimou1 Oh verily you are a poor deluded backwards fool, a few scientists convert to Islam, what has that got to do with absolutely ANYTHING? The counter fallacy to that would be that 99% percent of scientists are not Muslims so therefore Islam is false.
Muslims leave Islam everyday and warn people of the horrors of it, yet to indoctrinated Muslims these people are just somehow seeking attention. You wouldn't know science if it came up and chopped your hands and feet off on opposing sides.
oh poor ignorant! when you are stranded you start to lie!! 99% can you give me your references! :-)
in every discipline and in every country in the world there is muslim scientists even in NASA there is muslim scientists head of teams and presidents of universities also in CNRS (france) there is more than thousand muslim scientist.
western people leave christianity and atheism everyday and warn peopke of the horrors of it and the false statements of it, a few scientists!? funny!--->
your media daily report that scientists like (Dr Jeffrey Lang) and philosophers like (Dr Roger Garody) ans judges like (Marilyn Mornington) and journalists like (Yvonne Ridley) and artists like (Cat Stevens) and sportsmen like (Nicolad Anelka) and diplomates like (Torquato Cardilli) and NATO official like (Wilfred Hofmann) and ex catholic priest like (David Benjamin Keldani) and ex Protestant preacher like (Yusuf Estes) and us guantanamo guardian! like (Terry Holdbrooks) ... great religion! ;-)
@MrKimou1 The funny thing is that you have your little list all prepared for cut n paste, is this what they are teaching you at the mosque in the infidel rebuttal program? You are absolute gone in the head my little Muhammadan friend. Again you are presenting a fallacy, You didn't even understand the nature of my comment, you can obviously read but yet you are an idiot.
it prove that you are ignorant when you say that it 's bad moment for islam and you are the idiot when you say that 99% of scientists are not muslims! hahaha funny!!! poor man you say i have a list! may be but you are a liar giving statistics without references! who is now brainwashed!? you idiot
@MrKimou1 Read my comment again where I said that, dumbass, or would you like me to quote myself?
"The COUNTER FALLACY to that would be that 99% percent of scientists are not Muslims so therefore Islam is false." Would you like me to explain what a fallacy is or can you use wikipedia to find out for yourself, Islamic rage boy?
"brainwashed" interesting that you use that word though, I am not aware of any atheist brainwashing ideologies, perhaps you could point one out for me?
You are using the fallacy that if a scientists converts to Islam then that must mean Islam is true, I gave you an equally fallacious statement in return, and your little mouth salivated, thinking I was making a claim, now who's the fucking idiot?
@MrKimou1 Well I was wrong, I guess you can't even use Wikipedia either, keep trying though you may get just there in the end. You keep blaming the Jews for all your failures and the world will keep leaving you further and further behind. The ideology of Islam has nothing left to assimilate now, no other cultures to drain of achievements and pass off as Islamic. Nothing left but a stagnating ideology trying hopelessly to pass itself off as a "religion of peace", more like a "religion in pieces".
Islam is a religion not ideology! who told that i blam jews for any failures? i have two friend an american and an arab jew and i have australian christian friend! stop talking about things that you totaly ignore, your analysis is totaly wrong because your believe in your medias! official stats say that islam is the fastest growing religion in europe and in usa, and islam is inspiring all the resistance against the u.s imperialism and terrorism in the world. the world is changing! read books!
@MrKimou1 lol I keep forgetting I am talking to someone with no common sense past that of a disgusting desert cult. The "you" was meant collectively, ya dumbass...lol. Oh you have a Christian and a Jew for a friend, well again that doesn't mean shit. How many extremists are your friends though? I see you are one also, with your view of the US, are we the "Great Satan" lol. You forget the your disgusting desert cult is imperialist, with world domination on the brain.
"Fastest growing religion" lmao, please! Stamping a new born with the label of Muslim is not indicative of a "growing religion". typical Islamic horseshit, keep it coming...lol. Fastest "breeding" due to your sexually repressed nature and like of misogyny.
Well I see you openly admit to supporting terrorism against the US now, well at least we have finally got to some truth about you personally. It doesn't take a lot of pushing for an extremist to show his true color, does it?
Since you are addicted to statistics why don't you tell everyone the statistics for apostates in Islam, for ex Muslim atheists within Islam, for Christian converts from Islam? Does your desert IDEOLOGY put as much statistical importance on those, extremist boy?
Islam is dead, and you can't "breed" new life into it no matter how many wives you impregnate.
poor man, you still say "islam is dead"! without showing evidences and ignoring all my arguments! the fastest growing religion in western countries is dead religion!, everyday your medias talk about scientists and priests and artists etc... converted to Islam and about soldiers converted to islam!! and you still say "islam is dead" your terrorist administration can't even secure his own bases in Afghanistan baceaus of islamic resistance and you still say "dead religion"!--->
are you serious? you are the extremist because you try to defend the american administration and his imperialism and terrorism, i defend the freedom fighters against the american terrorism in venezuela in Iran in Afghanistan in Iraq in Somalia, in Turkey in Palestine, etc... and in the past we defended them in Vietnam and in all south american countries. don't worry Islam is the futur and wil fix all these problems and will stop american terrorism and imperialism
@MrKimou1 LOL whatever you say Islamic rage boy, Islam will rule the world huh? How long has it been trying now, 1,400 years? yeah right, lol. If it were to happen within the next year would see the starvation of every country. You all talk about the "Great Satan USA" but your nations sure except the charity when its offered, including Morocco, you owe the US more than you care to admit. Palestine?..lol Muslims doing what they do best, "Dramatic Acting".
And still you whine that some western people convert to Islam, like that means anything, they are religion shoppers who can't do without the crutch of religion. They leave one to join another and will continue to do so.
Your ideology considers every child born a Muslim as does the other vile monotheistic diseases. Well they are not Muslims, Christians or Jews they are children, free from indoctrination. Forced to read a book of myths until they believe its fact, just psychological child abuse.
yes we know that those dictators (your allies) who are established and helped by your terrorist administration accept charity and accept u.s military security serivece to keep controling our countries but this dictators will be thrown out as soon as possiblen don't worry, you again prove your ignorance when you ask "How long has it been trying now, 1,400 years?" read books to know how many centuries islam ruled the world.
@MrKimou1 Oh here we go lol, Islam has never ruled the world you idiot. Whatever they are teaching you at your ideology college is complete horseshit. You need to pull your head out of your donkeys ass and come back to reality. Point me to the book that says Islam "ruled the world" please cause I'd love to see that, I am not that much into fiction myself but I'll give it a look...lol.
Damn lol, you have a nerve calling anyone ignorant.
i don't call anyone ignorant i call you ignorant; because you never give evidence when you open your mouth, you ask for books showing that islamic civilization was for centuries the source of knowledge and the source of philosophy and the most powerfull and tolerant cvilization, you can choose any book of history,but you are just brainwashed your reference is just CNN and FOx news! this is why you are ignorant
@MrKimou1 The Islamic disease assimilated cultures by force all over the middle east, decimating Persia (the greatest source of all you "claimed" achievements), the systematic slaughter of the people in India, still being torn apart by Muslim terrorists. There was no such thing as an Islamic golden age, only the theft by Islamists of indigenous cultures. A dirty thief called Muhammad stole everything from these cultures and gave rise to the trend of brutal rule that WAS Islam. "Tolerant" my ASS.
Your problem is that you actually think the knowledge of Islam for westerners comes from FOX and CNN, well you would be very wrong. Every culture that Islam forcefully converted hates Islam, they didn't choose to be Dhimmis by choice you know. It was either convert or be subjugated or killed. Not much of a fucking choice was it? Well now your rotten culture has been halted. From Vienna when the filthy Ottoman empire was crushed, they even later tried to ride on Hitlers back, crushed again...lol
waw you are really ignorant! when a population reject a culture this population throw out this culture, like what happened in vietnam and in afghanistan and in iraq and like what happened in all islamic and non islamic occupied countries by europeans these population throwed out the european culture and the american culture! but! even if islamic countries are weak now the population don't reject islamic civilization in contrary ---->
they use islam as resistance ideology to fight against american terrorism and more and more european and american convert to this great civilization, yes Islam crushed the pagan and terrorist persian and roman-byzantine empire and this is why persians and middle eastern are so proud of Islam, they are proud that islam give them their freedom. and this is why they don't leave Islam! you see how you are ignorant?
@MrKimou1 They leave Islamic nations in droves every day to escape the poverty that Islam produces. But don't worry, you know and I both know its only a matter of time before the mass deportation of Europe starts when someone with a spine stops appeasing Muslim freeloaders. Playing the victim seems to be the Muslim expertise these days, well fewer and fewer people are falling for that shit. You can prey to allah all you want, but when the oil runs out, you're fucked, no more Wahhabi money. :)
when the oil runs out you are fucked because all your lifestyle is based on oil. just few islamic countries have oil less than 7 among 54 country!some people (muslims and christians and jews and atheist and budhists) immigrate to some countries to work they don't leave escape islam, they esscape pauverty, now a lot of french and spanish come to Morocco and Dubai and KSA to work because there is a huge crisis in europe! you see how you are ignorant!?
---->about the muslim workers who immigrate to europe it is clear that they are proud of their religion they build mosques and they built cultural islamic centers and throught them thousands of european are converted to Islam every year, and they made islam the fastest growing religion in europe! oh yea it's clear they escape Islam!! ;-)
all this is propaganda, ther is nothing like this in the holyt Quran! in fact there is a lot of issues handled by islamophobbes in websites because they choose to lie and to not study objectively the subject and to check scientific facts!
the muslims are telling me that if we don't stop killing them and supporting opressive regimes in their countries (like we did with Saddam Hussien and gave funding to the Taliban so they could beat the Russians to a pulp) it really won't matter if the immigration stops or whatever. The muslims will still hate us and our lives will remain at risk as well.
@MatrixOfDynamism Are you retarded buddy? Did you not hear what Mr Tarek mentioned? Even us moderates/mainstream Muslims are against the concept of Sharia law implemented as we believe in a true secular democratic society everyone has the right to live by their own freedoms. You can't possibly blame all Muslims for this, we have been working out to route fundamentalists from our mosques for ages. Stop aiming a war on Muslims who just want to assimilate and live in peace fool. Don't scapegoat.
Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, & lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."
Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”
I feel sorry for the world when so many of it's inhabitants cannot raise enough common sense to see that a man who ties a woman's legs to two camels and let them tear her into two pieces has nothing to do with good.
@davediddlydoo Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, & lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."
Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”
@davediddlydoo Just trying to get my post to post...often it does not post although I see it posted twice this time. Often I cannot post my comments dunno why.
why do you cut these two verses from their context? these two verses are about the pagans and the people of the book who broke the peace treaties with the prophet and conspired with Romans to exterminate the islamic society! after this incident the battle of Tabuk took place near the borders of romans they fear islamic army and finally there was no confrontation. after this the people of the book payed the jizyah (much lower tha zakat payed by muslims) and had same rights a hte muslims
@MrKimou1 Since posting my comment, I have learned that it was not Muhammad who carried out the crime, but his adopted son. However Muhammad was far from horrified by this and gave no condemnation. He is regarded by some as an accomplice in the act. The old woman's daughter was then captured and raped by the tribe, including Muhammad himself. Once again, the case of Muhammad's sexual deviance is supported.
where are you found this story? i'm a convert muslim and i have never read this, i read the holy quran and i read also the hadiths (stories about the life of the prophet and his deeds) but never read this! are you sure about your references? can you give me your source?
this isn't hadith these are books of history, the science of hadith establish a lot of conditions to verify the autheticity of hadiths, this story is fake because the person who fabricated it is well known by all the writers of hadiths his name is Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid and all hadiths writers say that he was a liar and he fabricated a lot of stories, so this story is not authentic using the standard of hadith's science and history because there is just one reporter and he is known as liar
i think al tabari wrote "tarikh al tabari' (al tabari's History) so it is a book of history not of hadiths, the two books that group the true hadiths checked following the condition of science of hadith are (Sahih bukhari and sahih muslim).
@MrKimou1He did indeed write that. You might want to tell the other 1.5 billion Muslims in the world that Tabari is not an authentic hadith, because most Muslims reference it as such. Besides, even if we can discredit the story of Umm Qirfa, there are countless other reasons why Muhammad could never have been a prophet of God. So whether this event happened or didn't, it is irrelevant in light of the many other examples of Muhammad's vile behaviour.
as i said this hadith is not authentic and have just one reporter and this reporter is well known by hadith scientists as a liar, this is why we don't find it in Bukhari or Muslim (the two book of authentic hadiths), Muhammed is the last prophet this is why more and more western scientists, philosophers, artists, diplomats converte to Islam, and the holy Quran is a great evidence of it
@MrKimou1 So Tabari is a liar? Why then do Muslims consistently and unashamedly cite him when backing up arguments? From taking his own adopted son's wife because he fancied her for himself, to raping a woman on the day he murdered her beloved husband and father, to raping his nine year old wife, Muhammad could never have been a prophet of God. Muhammad is the descendant of an illegitimate affair between Abraham and Hagar and God told that his covenant was with him through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Tabari is not a liar, he wasn't alive at the time, as historian he reported all the versions of this story, because he wrote a bok of history not a book of hadith, muslims cite him in another discipline wich is the exegesis of the holy Quran (Tafseer al Tabari), all these events that you cite didn't happened you ignore a lot about Islam!
@MrKimou1 He wasn't a liar? But you said he was...
as i said this hadith is not authentic and have just one reporter and this reporter is well known by hadith scientists as a liar
And like I said, Muhammad's disgusting behaviour extends beyond the story of Umm Qirfa. Considering that the 'divine revelation' of the Qur'an gives specific instructions from God himself about how to eat, pray, wash etc., I find it odd that God didn't reveal 'Don't sleep with kids, don't rape women' etc.
this is because you haven't study the holy Quran, God reveal don't sleep with kids and don't rape women and respect you parents and don't allow banking interests and don't kill women and children and priests and old men in war....etc.
you haven't understand i gave you the name of the reporter (who was alive at the time and who was the lonly one who reported this story) Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid not Tabari
@MrKimou1 Are you not aware of what you are saying?
'God reveal don't sleep with kids and don't rape women' (your words)
So from what you say, we can gleam two facts;
A) God is angry with Muhammad because he had sex with (raped) a nine year old girl and raped a woman who's father and husband he tortured and killed that very day.
and B) because of A, Muhammad was not the perfect example of human behaviour that Muslims hold him aloft to be?
A- you talk about Aicha she was married to the prophet not raped! and she reported more than 1/3 of the hadiths! and you know the prophet lived in the 6th century (before 1400 years!) and before just 200 years the age of maturity in europe (christians ) was 12 yrs! and the scientists say that the age of maturity depend on socuial en environmental condition and is not fixed!
B-Muhammed is an example for hèumanity and this is what a lot of your historians say
@MrKimou1 Sir, Aisha was as unable to consent to sex at nine as she was at six to consent to marriage. At nine years old sex with an overweight 54 year old man like Muhammad would have been painful as her vaginal muscles would have been too tight and her pelvis not fully formed. Sex at this age can also lead to infertility. She was raped. I am aware that she reported in the hadiths - in particular she spoke to Muhammad noting that his 'revelations' always seemed to justify his desires...
@Mrkimou1 ...And I have heard this claim that girls matured younger at that time and climate SO many times before and there is NO scientific evidence for this. It is a bogus fact concocted by Muslims because they do not want to accept the fact that Muhammad was a paedophile. Take 100 nine year old girls today from ANYwhere in the world with ANY number of climates and ALL these girls will be CHILDREN, regardless of what you say. Muhammad was an unfit example of behaviour and a false prophet.
@MrKimou1 ...And what are we to say then on his rape of the woman whose father and Husband he tortured and killed that very day? What bogus ideas are you going to bring in order to defend your woefully flawed prophet there?
you are to say that this is a fake story! and that if you are sincere and serious in your study you must follow a methodological way in your study, not to google and look for anti-islam propaganda, i mean this is not serious way to study any religion!
you talk a lot but you give no evidence of what you say, for me, here is the result of american study wich is no on the website of (the endocrine society) specialist in Homrmon research! (/cgi/content/full/24/5/668#R7) the age of maturity of afro-americans in usa is about 11.4 yrs,
@MrKimou1 I haven't given any evidence because I haven't needed to but click on w w w . mum . org / menarage . htm and you will see that the absolute minimum average age for ANY girls from ANY part of the world is TWELVE. A full THREE YEARS older than Aisha was when Muhammad raped her. And for the love of God man, even the study that YOU PROVIDED says that the average is 11.4 years which is itself almost THREE YEARS older than Aisha was! I mean, you've just shot your argument out of the water!
@Mrkimou1 ...and furthermore, the study I have provided shows the average age of initial menstration for the ENTIRE WORLD and you only give ONE example of ONE locality. Now, you have chosen afro-americans?!? Rather odd considering Aisha was an arab?! And even FURTHERmore I notice you haven't even given the website, just a reference, so I can't check out your evidence for myself.
the statistics that i gave you are from very known and prestigious research center in USA anf the age of 11.4 is just a medium (average) age, the study say that a lot of girls get to the age of maturity at 9 yrs old! and don't forget that we talk a bout a study lade in the 21th century not in the 6th century! the age of maturity depends on a lot of parameters like climat and pollution and social conditions!
@MrKimou1 And if you read my comment and actually checked out the survey I cited, you will see that what I gave you was the absolute MINIMUM average age of first menstruation of ANY part of the world! Most of the averages were OVER THIRTEEN! As for prestigious studies, the british medical journal found that the average age of first menstruation in British girls is 12 years 11 months!! Now I'm not going to continue arguing this point that I am clearly winning. EVERY survey that we are looking...
@Mrkimou1 ...at cites an average age of first menstruation at A COUPLE OF YEARS OVER 9 YEARS OF AGE! The survey I cited gives examples from countries across the entire world, which would cover climate and social conditions. So the claim of those things making girls menstruate younger is bullshit. I'm not going to waste any more time discussing whether or not Muhammad was a paedophile, when he clearly was. If you cannot see that he was a man of poor character and a false prophet, you never will.
@Mrkimou1 ...And please, Mr. Kimou, do yourself a favour and type in 'Nine year old girl' into google images. Go on, do it. Have a look at the hundreds of thousands of pictures of tiny young CHILDREN that appear. Now imagine a FIFTY year old man having sex with them. If that doesn't turn your stomach and make you doubt your 'prophet' then nothing will. If that is the case, I pity you.
@MrKimou1 The conditions in the 6th century? Tell me what conditions you're talking about that aren't replicated today...? Tell me. Heat? Humidity? Bad hygiene? Social depravation? All those conditions are found today!! In Arabia, the conditions are identical to the 6th century! lol There is no difference!! Exactly what is different about the 6th century from the 21st century?!
no arabia is on earth not in the planet Mars, in Arabia there is industrial facilities near of arabia there was a war where americans used depleted uranium weapons and where babies die inthe first 3 week after birth, and in arabia there is McDonalds supermarkets and pollution and in arabia girls go everyday to school at least until 18yr. but even if we say that there is no difference, i told you that 11 yr was just an average. yesterday a 10yr girl gave birth to a healthy baby in spain!
@MrKimou1 Your ignorance is mind-blowing. You saying that a 10 year old girl gave birth to a healthy baby in the sense that it is normal and ok, makes me doubt your sanity. Good luck, I'm not talking to you anymore.
i don't told you that i'm ok, i gave you a fact that now girl at 10 yrs old can give a birth! and i told you that american scientists say that the age of maturity can be 9 yrs nowadays! you can't accept these facts you are free! but don't say that you have arguments!
but it don't cover these conditions in the 6th century! and it give the average and the minimal ages and according to the american study that i gave you this minimal age is 9yrs! so all your claims about the prophet are false and just propaganda!
what you are saying don't deny waht i said! you that average is 12 according to a british study i say that the average in some areas of the world (USA is 11yrs but both of these numbers are just an average that mean that age of maturity can be less than these ages because these ages are just average!
i made my research about what you say and i found that this is a fake story and there no book of hadith wich say that this story happened!and this wasn't reported by more than one reporter wich is Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid and he is well known as a liar and fabricated a lot of fake stories.
Why all the speaker are anti Islamic? Why isn't a Muslim invited to the show and speak for the Muslims if FoxNews is 'fair and balanced'? Just asking...
@baburo101 Why can't some Muslims in the US just give up their desire for Sharia law....any for of it?I know some don't want it, but for those who do....why don't they realize how uncivilized and backwards it is?
@baburo101 What the hell r u talking? The lady in the left n the Gentleman in the right are both muslims....Now don't give ur usual banter that they r not muslims since they spoke against islam...or does a muslim has to look weird n grow beard for u?
@baburo101 well their show will be spoiled. They of course won't hate calling a moslem as long as it is Wafa Sultan or the guy from YongTurks e.t.c that seems to be their policy, and they are not alone doing this.
hahahahah look at their books on display in front of those idiots!!! hahahahahaa, u've got to be kidding me; Fox this is waaaayyyyy too oobbviiioouusss!
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DEBATE???????? WHERE IS THE PANEL FOR OPPOSING VIEWS?They are all against Islam.OH WELL.....It is FUK NEWS CHANNEL.
modookhun 1 month ago
islam is the truth, morocco a muslim country first recognised usa as a new nation, and has the longest trade agreement with usa, and yet u give your respect to jews? America is weak
tompointzero 2 months ago
@tompointzero america is weak and islam is for idiots. fuck islam islam the truth my fucking dick
Musashi850 1 month ago
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tigersforchrist 10 months ago
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its really scary
drprasad79 11 months ago
They have a lot of information (some truth, mixed with MASSIVE quantities of LIES) on Islam.
Notice that these Islamaphobic people ONLY have a home @ the Faux Noise Notwork.
I'm only saddened that the Muslim is not only not clarifying the meaning of jihad for those ignoramuses, he's cosigning their madness that they're speaking against Islam!
DeucePrez 1 year ago
@DeucePrez Jihad has two meanings. There is the "greater" and the "lesser" jihad. There is a false hadith that started this distinction, however al-Ghazali disregarded the hadith and used the Qur'an to legitimize it. The "greater" jihad is of the soul-to be a better Muslim. The "lesser" jihad is of the sword-to kill the infidel. Even al-Ghazali believed that the "lesser" jihad of the sword was the most important part of Islam. Faux Noise is usually bs but these guys got some good info.
thatlldopig12 8 months ago
@DeucePrez they bring facts that can be checked...the fact that this is FOX news is NOT an argument, it is completely irrelevant.
Serpico261 5 months ago
Read the quran my fellow nonmuslims and you will know the truth of this violent imperial belief. The Caliphate got started by killing Jews and Christians, and it will rise again in this way. Muhammad IS an antichrist!!!! He was a rapist, a liar, a thief, a slavemonger, a murderer and a conqueror who set out to conquer. Those with eyes to see, let them see. Those with ears to hear, let them hear.
particle58 1 year ago
@particle58 also know that they were persecutd from their own land before any war...DING DONG
aymenzrocX 1 year ago
@aymenzrocX Muslims early on may have been persecuted by their pagan arab coinhabitants, but they were not persecuted by Christianity or Judaism. That idea is so far removed from reality that it is fantasy. Muhammad only had one thing on his mind, and thats killing Jews and Christians, taking their lands, raping their women, enslaving their children, and replacing their religion. Muhammad is a false prophet and a dead man, and thats all he is.
particle58 1 year ago
@particle58 @aymenzrocX Muhammad preached peace in Mecca, then he and his followers were driven out by the Meccans. They migrated to Medina and Muhammad's message became one of violence. In 627 the battle of the trench took place where the Meccans allied with another Arab tribe & the Jews of Medina against Muhammad and his followers. This is why Muslims hate Jews. The crusades are why Muslims hate Christians. At any rate "There are moderate peaceful Muslims, there is no moderate peaceful Islam"
thatlldopig12 8 months ago
@particle58 a Christian monk Buhayra warned the Prophet to end his trade mission b/c the jews ahead were looking to persecute him
aymenzrocX 4 months ago
I'm Muslim and an American and I have never heard about Sharia Law until I watched Fox news and heard them ranting about something that doesn't exist. I'm so surprised that Fox News that make up something so quickly and scare much of America! I mean, If Fox News said the Flying Spaghetti Monster was coming soon to the American shores, I honestly believe that most Americans would fly in a terrible panic! What a disgrace to the human intellect!
YemeniteChanter 1 year ago
@YemeniteChanter If youre muslim, and youre saying you never heard of Sharia, then you are a liar. You are either a) not muslim or b) a lying subverter
particle58 1 year ago
@4711inside
oh i just hear about another of your scientists that studied a miraculous verse in the holy Quran and then converts to Islam it is Professor Arthur Alison the head of the Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering in the University of London!!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
Dr Jeffrey Lang and Dr Keith Moore are two of the world's most famous scientists you must read they book they clearly said that the holy Quran is full of signs in harmony with actual science, i read Dawkins book "God delusion" it's about ideology not about science and he have done no study about Quran miracles!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
insulting = weak points of view, inability to argue, lack of knowledge etc...
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
oh really! actually i found it in Los ANGELES TIMES website and i found it in digitaljournal website and in BBC news website etc....
WHEN YOU INSULT YOU PROVE THAT YOU ARE JUST stranded
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
your LOLOLOLOL are not evidences! you aren't able to give any evidences! you can say what you want but without evidences your sayings have no value!
STOP AMERICAN PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY WARS!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
why are you so angry? you just have to give me an evidence!, the iranian president himself told us in interview that she was convicted in the murder oh his husband and for adultery with his accomplice!
Stop following the propaganda and Stop playing the CLOWN
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
STOP LYING AND STOP YOUR PROPAGANDA, this woman was convicted of murder of his husband and having sex with his accomplice in murder!
may be you are more informed that the iranian court!!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
i'm sorry can you help me, i haven't found any published study of Dawkins about scientific miracles in the holy quran!
when you start insultinfg you prove that you are stranded! i'm religious and i respect science because my religion tell me to do so, you jump from a topic to another when i answer you, and you aren't able to give any evidence in any issue!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
i should help not only iranians i should help also palestinians and afghans and irakis and americans why focus on Iran? when the shah of Iran was executing daily iranians for political issues we never heard such things about Iran! the shah was one of american's allies in the region! but now when a woman who killed his husband is convicted to death sentence usa can't accept it! amazing!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
the mainstream! the mainstream studied the holy quran and made studies and say what you are saying!? come on!, can you give three scientists from your side like i did? those scientists say clearly that there is a lot of knowledge in the holy quran that wasn't known in that time.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
ohh that what you are saying! but a lot of western scientists say that there is total harmony between holy Quran and science! like Dr.Maurice Bucaille and Dr.Jeffery Lanf and Dr.Keith Moore.... may be you know about science more than all of them!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
i haven't said that quran is scienc!! i told you to check what science say about the age of maturity!!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
i don't deny execution in Iran but there is also executions in USA! why do you focus on iranian execution only? this is why i said this is about geostrategic politics not human rights
here is some islamic relief orgs in darfur (International Islamic Relief Organisation (IIRO)), Islamic relief worldWide (IRW), Islamic African Relief Agency (IARA),Saudi Red Crescent.....
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
there is 13 Islamic and Arab relief and charity agencies, as well as 55 local Sudanese ones! when you can't recognize facts you laugh? it 's funny!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
there is over 50 islamic relief organization operating in darfur, but you will not see them on Fox news!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
just propaganda,this is geopolitical interests , why there is no western interest in Gaza and fallujah when westerns used phosphorus weapons and according to UNO reports burned thousands of women and children and are still under embargo ! western organization use human rights to enter weapons in darfur and to devide the country. why western stand up for a single iranian women who killed his husband and not for more than 50 american women who are also sentenced to death ?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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this is your problem you are victims of your medias you can't see the reality on the ground, there is a lot of muslims against dictatorships and terrorism and thousands of them died in dictator"s jails or by terrorist operations, all islamic scholars organizations condemned terrorism, but your ledia don't show you these kind of news!
we don't refuse that evil can be and is done in the name of all religions and all ideologies and vlues (democracy and freedom..), but you refuse to admit it
MrKimou1 1 year ago
this is your problem you are victims of your medias you can't see the reality on the ground, there is a lot of muslims against dictatorships and terrorism and thousands of them died in dictator"s jails or by terrorist operations, all islamic scholars organizations condemned terrorism, but your ledia don't show you these kind of news!
we don't refuse that evil can be and is done in the name of all religions and all ideologies and vlues (democracy and freedom..), but you refuse to admit it
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
all about propaganda and you can't give any evidence with references and debate it! keep lying....the terorism is made by your countries and the dictatoships are helped and established by your countries and animal abuse is made in your countries ....etc. so you can't simply come and say that all this is about Islam, your countries are not islamic!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside oh really!! are you joking! Bush and blair aren't criminals? they haven't killed thousands of women and children and lie front of all the world in UNO to justify wars? they haven't used depleted uranium weapons causing 30 deformed new birth in Fallujah daily?
your story about the woman will be good scenario for horror movie! this is fake story never happened!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@4711inside
these names are the worst examples of humanity Hitler, George w Bush, Tony Blair, Stalin, Pol Pot etc..., but according to your historians and philosophers the prophet Muhammed was the good example for humanity and you have to read more books and be more objectif to get it
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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@4711inside
no what you are saying is not right, here is the result of american study wich is no on the website of (the endocrine society) specialist in Homrmon research! (/cgi/content/full/24/5/668#R7) the age of maturity of afro-americans in usa is about 11.4 yrs, and even if it is 12 yrs in nowadays, scientist say that this is age changes according to social and environemental conditions
MrKimou1 1 year ago
nobody try to execuse anything, the prophet was an example of humanity, you are talking about pedophily and you don't even know waht's mean, yes in western church there is now thousands of pedophily cases, but the prophet had never made sexual relation except with his wives, you talk about age of maturity and you research centers tell us now that the age of maturity in usa amoung afro-americans is 11.4yrs and the age of marriage in europe before just 2 centuries was 12! was they pedophiles?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 'the prophet was an example of humanity?!' That's absolutely NOT what muslims teach and preach and you know it! They preach that he is the ULTIMATE example of humanity. The example that all should follow. You're trying to backtrack on what is universally taught in Islam. Muhammad was a woefully flawed human being and Muslims are just fed up with having to defend him and his atrocious acts.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
atrocious acts!! before him people without power was automatically enslaved and killed, Romans and Persians occupy the lands and forced people to pay them a lot of money and majority of foods was automatically transfered to persi and Roma, all people had to follow one religion christianity (roman areas) or paganism (persian areas) woman had no rights! after the prophets these two empires collapse and all these pains ends churchs was conserved until now! and jews escape europe to islamic world
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Women had no rights? And you say Muhammad corrected this? Yeah, he corrected it so well that in Sharia law, two female witnesses are needed as equivalent to one man. Now we know in our enlightened, modern times that women are AS valid, AS intelligent and AS worthy as men. Muhammad clearly did not believe this. Now to me, I would have assumed that of all the 'revelations' given to Mo, instructions like 'treat women equally' and 'don't sleep with kids' would have been given..?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
yes Islam corrected this, you ignore it because you prefer to continue your islamophobia without studying the subject, you know in europe just before 2 centuries women had no right of inheritance and have no right ti financial independance and had no right to work, whil before 14 centuries muslim woman have all these rights! you talk about witness and you ignore that this is not a general statement woman can witness in some issues while the witness of man is not accepted. try to study
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Sorry hold up a second. Islamophobia? It's not Islamophobia, it's not an 'attack', it's called criticism. Why are Muslims so petrified of legitimate questions?! And I'm afraid I do study the subject. Sadly there are issues however that I cannot get my head around which I why I raise them - like the having sex with kids thing! Now, the Qur'an instructs that in matters of jurisprudence, two women are needed for one man witnesses. That is in your holy frikkin book! ...
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 Now if it is in your damn book, then follow it! If you don't follow it, then you aren't a practicing Muslim. If you don't 'Kill whoever leaves his Islamic religion' then you aren't a practicing Muslim. Just because you don't follow Muhammad's example and instruction, doesn't mean the instructions aren't there! And you haven't tackled my point, which is understandable because it's pretty damn strong; If Muhammad had revelations from ALLAH himself, why didn't Allah say 'Don't...
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 ...have sex with Aisha, she's only 9 years old' and 'Don't say that two women are needed for every one man in matters of jurisprudence, because women are equal to men'. It's no good just saying 'Oh you're just an Islamophobe' when things get uncomfortable for you. Do you really think that God in his almighty, absolute perfection, create a book like the Qur'an which is so WOEFULLY flawed that it is misunderstood and misinterpreted in the extreme?!
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
the holly quran say that men are equal to women, and there is no verse that commands that sex with Aisha, she's only 9 years old' and 'Don't say that two women are needed for every one man in matters of jurisprudence! this is lies! and Aisha was mature when the prophet marry her! islam don't allow to have sex out of marriage. if you are talking about the age! you should review american studies on the age of maturity! may be you will deny sciences too!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Good luck. Your ignorance in these matters is overwhelming.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
good luck too, you try to hide your inability to discuss any of your lies! you throw lies and propaganda and escape!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 You use the word propaganda a lot don't you? And I'm not escaping you fool lol I'm here. I'm waiting for you to accept facts but you won't. Only the misguided, delirious, deluded religious mind could convince themselves that a 9 year old child is ready for sex with a man over 50. Muhammad was a man, a poor one. He was nothing more. You'll realise that one day.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
may be i'll realise that one day but only if you made little efforts to convaince me, talking about issues without evidence can't help me! when american scientists say nowadays not before 1400 years, in usa the average age of maturity for afro-americans is 10.4 yrs and when they say that the age of maturity depends on environmental and social conditions like climats and stress! and when history tell me that in europe just before 200 years not 1400 women married at 12yr! all this don't help me!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1
1. Why are you mentioning Afro-Americans when Aisha was an Arab?
2. You're saying that the average age of maturity for Afro-Americans in the USA is 10.4 years. Strange, because earlier you said it was 11.4 years. And you're calling ME a liar? lol
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
1- i mention afro-americans because the study show statistics about afro-americans and white people
2- 11.4 was for white americans not afro americans the study is available in endojournals website
Stop insulting that can't help me ;-)
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1
1. Find some statistics about ARABS because Aisha was an ARAB. Then I might take them seriously!
2. If I'm insulting you by calling you a liar, I'm just returning the compliment! You called me a liar remember? ;-)
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@MrKimou1
i just give an example to show you that the age of mariage change according to a lot of parameters
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Aisha was never able to bare children. Do you think that maybe this had something to do with having her tiny womb destroyed at the age of nine years old by the prophet of Islam?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
there is millions of women nowadays who can't have children and they have being married at least at 18years or more you can check statistics and see! for example in usa just among married women ages 15-44 there is 2.1 million women! and according to science the age of maturity depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters like climat, polution, stress etc.., and nowadays the AVERAGE of the age of maturity in usa is 11.4for white americans and 10.4 for afro american!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Stop making excuses, you think no one knows what you are doing? You are behaving just like the Catholic Pope covering for pedophiles in the same manner. You can try and paint a pretty picture of a pedophile who murdered at will, who stole at will, who was a tyrant, who saw Arabs as the master race all you like, but we are not fucking buying it, comprende?
Peddle your nonsense to someone else, your "holy mother" had any chances of bearing a child ruined by her molester.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
where do you see excuses? you must stop your propaganda! instead of answering my scientific arguments you say excuses! the pope can't cover the pedophiles and nobody can.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 LMAO XD
"Scientific arguments" oh shit please stop making me laugh, so pedophilia to you is science now is it...lol.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
no that is not what i said. i said that no one can cover pedophilia. i just prove that what you said about Aisha was false! and showed you scientific argument that you couldn't deny.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 You are actually giving reasons why you can still fuck a 9 year old female and try and make it seem somehow "decent", you are such a piece of shit. Oh I just checked your origin, "Morocco", that's all I needed to know. A disgusting little country that is polluting European culture with the worst kind of sexual deviants, I am done talking to you now, I could have saved myself some time if I had of checked first.
Read the Hadith by Aisha, unless you think she is a liar too, pervert.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
no, you are changing my word to srve your propaganda, nowadays there is another context, new environmental and social parameters this is why all countries voted new laws toincrease the age of mariage for example the age of mariage before just 2 centuries in europe was 12 and now it is 18! do you think that all europeans was pedophiles?; all your statements about Morocco are false! if i choose your way i can say lot of thing about yours--->
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 try to read UN reports about criminality and rape and pedophilia rates to compare Morocco and usa ranks!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 I make no distinction whatsoever to any nation or people that take the innocence away from "children", whether they be N or S American, European, Asian, Australian, African or Middle Eastern. But there is no Theocratic law that enforces the marrying of children to dirty old men in Europe or the US today, is there? Morocco is an Islamic sharia SHITHOLE, but go on, deny it.
Say all you want about the US, we call that "freedom of speech", and you won't end up in prison for it here.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
flase you see you are just spreading your propaganda, in Moroco the age of mariage is 18! and in Islam there is no theocratic law that enforce marrying of children to dirty or not dirty old men. so you are just liar and ignorant i suggest that you start reading some books.
say all you want about Morroco, we call that "freedom of speech", and you won't en up in prison for it here.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Pull your head out of your ass, Morocco still has Sharia, the age of consent is 15, while homosexuality is still illegal and people are sent to prison for it. Try your taqiyya on the people that fall for it. Morocco tries to pass itself of as "Secular" what a fucking joke that is....lol. Your country has even banned un-Islamic names for Moroccan Muslims that live in Europe, yeah your country is a proud secular nation alright, my ass.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 As long as the Qur'an exists then you have your theocratic law, if your "prophet" married a 6 year old and he is the Muslim to emulate then the loophole is there for any Muslim to practice it, same for polygamy, same for jihad, same for martyrdom and the same for lying your ass off (taqiyya) to protect the image of Islam. Compare all you like, Morocco has 32 Million people. the US has 307 Million people in it. That's roughly the amount of Muslims in the entire Middle East and Africa.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
(North Africa)
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
i'm talking about the rates! 300 millions or 30 millions it doesn't matter! these UN report show us how much your society is corrupted top rapes, top criminality, top pedophilia, etc....
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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@MrKimou1
Quran don't fix an age of marriage because the age of marriage depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters and this is great because this allow muslims to fix this age according to these parameters this is why this age now in Morocco is 18! you can't understand this but muslims can because they follow Islam. we are proud of Quran and we are proud to practice Jihad and Polygamy respecting the islamic conditions of these concepts.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
Quran don't fix an age of marriage because the age of marriage depends on a lot of social and environmental parameters and this is great because this allow muslims to fix this age according to these parameters this is why this age now in Morocco is 18! you can't understand this but muslims can because they follow Islam. we are proud of Quran and we are proud to practice Jihad and Polygamy respecting the islamic conditions of these concepts.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 No, you can't understand 'because' you're a Muslim, because you are indoctrinated with fallacious rhetoric, designed very carefully to make you obedient to a dead Ideology. We know you're proud of your indoctrination, you don't need to inform anyone of that. Your (new) laws are just useless words on paper as Muslims will always take their laws from the Quran, where its ok to beat your wife for disobedience. Well now Islam is being slapped around for its insolence, paybacks a bitch.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
you are just ignorant we do take our laws from quran this is why our new law say that the age of marriage in this new context should be about 18yrs! and your old laws about the age of marriage also was changed to take our new environmental and social paramets in conseideration! and for Isam your prove your ignorance every day ex christian scientists and philosophers and artists and diplomates and journalists and priests converts to Islam so it's a great moments for islam! read some books
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Oh verily you are a poor deluded backwards fool, a few scientists convert to Islam, what has that got to do with absolutely ANYTHING? The counter fallacy to that would be that 99% percent of scientists are not Muslims so therefore Islam is false.
Muslims leave Islam everyday and warn people of the horrors of it, yet to indoctrinated Muslims these people are just somehow seeking attention. You wouldn't know science if it came up and chopped your hands and feet off on opposing sides.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
oh poor ignorant! when you are stranded you start to lie!! 99% can you give me your references! :-)
in every discipline and in every country in the world there is muslim scientists even in NASA there is muslim scientists head of teams and presidents of universities also in CNRS (france) there is more than thousand muslim scientist.
western people leave christianity and atheism everyday and warn peopke of the horrors of it and the false statements of it, a few scientists!? funny!--->
MrKimou1 1 year ago
your media daily report that scientists like (Dr Jeffrey Lang) and philosophers like (Dr Roger Garody) ans judges like (Marilyn Mornington) and journalists like (Yvonne Ridley) and artists like (Cat Stevens) and sportsmen like (Nicolad Anelka) and diplomates like (Torquato Cardilli) and NATO official like (Wilfred Hofmann) and ex catholic priest like (David Benjamin Keldani) and ex Protestant preacher like (Yusuf Estes) and us guantanamo guardian! like (Terry Holdbrooks) ... great religion! ;-)
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 The funny thing is that you have your little list all prepared for cut n paste, is this what they are teaching you at the mosque in the infidel rebuttal program? You are absolute gone in the head my little Muhammadan friend. Again you are presenting a fallacy, You didn't even understand the nature of my comment, you can obviously read but yet you are an idiot.
Again, what does your little list prove?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
"Cat Stevens".... Lmmfao!!
Well if you are going to bring up Cat Stevens then I guess its game over, where's my prayer mat....lol.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
it prove that you are ignorant when you say that it 's bad moment for islam and you are the idiot when you say that 99% of scientists are not muslims! hahaha funny!!! poor man you say i have a list! may be but you are a liar giving statistics without references! who is now brainwashed!? you idiot
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Read my comment again where I said that, dumbass, or would you like me to quote myself?
"The COUNTER FALLACY to that would be that 99% percent of scientists are not Muslims so therefore Islam is false." Would you like me to explain what a fallacy is or can you use wikipedia to find out for yourself, Islamic rage boy?
"brainwashed" interesting that you use that word though, I am not aware of any atheist brainwashing ideologies, perhaps you could point one out for me?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
You are using the fallacy that if a scientists converts to Islam then that must mean Islam is true, I gave you an equally fallacious statement in return, and your little mouth salivated, thinking I was making a claim, now who's the fucking idiot?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
you; because you give false statistics and use it to prove that islam is a fallacy! this lake you a liar and an idiot
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Well I was wrong, I guess you can't even use Wikipedia either, keep trying though you may get just there in the end. You keep blaming the Jews for all your failures and the world will keep leaving you further and further behind. The ideology of Islam has nothing left to assimilate now, no other cultures to drain of achievements and pass off as Islamic. Nothing left but a stagnating ideology trying hopelessly to pass itself off as a "religion of peace", more like a "religion in pieces".
123backinyerface 1 year ago
Islam is a religion not ideology! who told that i blam jews for any failures? i have two friend an american and an arab jew and i have australian christian friend! stop talking about things that you totaly ignore, your analysis is totaly wrong because your believe in your medias! official stats say that islam is the fastest growing religion in europe and in usa, and islam is inspiring all the resistance against the u.s imperialism and terrorism in the world. the world is changing! read books!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 lol I keep forgetting I am talking to someone with no common sense past that of a disgusting desert cult. The "you" was meant collectively, ya dumbass...lol. Oh you have a Christian and a Jew for a friend, well again that doesn't mean shit. How many extremists are your friends though? I see you are one also, with your view of the US, are we the "Great Satan" lol. You forget the your disgusting desert cult is imperialist, with world domination on the brain.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
"Fastest growing religion" lmao, please! Stamping a new born with the label of Muslim is not indicative of a "growing religion". typical Islamic horseshit, keep it coming...lol. Fastest "breeding" due to your sexually repressed nature and like of misogyny.
Well I see you openly admit to supporting terrorism against the US now, well at least we have finally got to some truth about you personally. It doesn't take a lot of pushing for an extremist to show his true color, does it?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
Since you are addicted to statistics why don't you tell everyone the statistics for apostates in Islam, for ex Muslim atheists within Islam, for Christian converts from Islam? Does your desert IDEOLOGY put as much statistical importance on those, extremist boy?
Islam is dead, and you can't "breed" new life into it no matter how many wives you impregnate.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
poor man, you still say "islam is dead"! without showing evidences and ignoring all my arguments! the fastest growing religion in western countries is dead religion!, everyday your medias talk about scientists and priests and artists etc... converted to Islam and about soldiers converted to islam!! and you still say "islam is dead" your terrorist administration can't even secure his own bases in Afghanistan baceaus of islamic resistance and you still say "dead religion"!--->
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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are you serious? you are the extremist because you try to defend the american administration and his imperialism and terrorism, i defend the freedom fighters against the american terrorism in venezuela in Iran in Afghanistan in Iraq in Somalia, in Turkey in Palestine, etc... and in the past we defended them in Vietnam and in all south american countries. don't worry Islam is the futur and wil fix all these problems and will stop american terrorism and imperialism
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 LOL whatever you say Islamic rage boy, Islam will rule the world huh? How long has it been trying now, 1,400 years? yeah right, lol. If it were to happen within the next year would see the starvation of every country. You all talk about the "Great Satan USA" but your nations sure except the charity when its offered, including Morocco, you owe the US more than you care to admit. Palestine?..lol Muslims doing what they do best, "Dramatic Acting".
123backinyerface 1 year ago
And still you whine that some western people convert to Islam, like that means anything, they are religion shoppers who can't do without the crutch of religion. They leave one to join another and will continue to do so.
Your ideology considers every child born a Muslim as does the other vile monotheistic diseases. Well they are not Muslims, Christians or Jews they are children, free from indoctrination. Forced to read a book of myths until they believe its fact, just psychological child abuse.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
yes we know that those dictators (your allies) who are established and helped by your terrorist administration accept charity and accept u.s military security serivece to keep controling our countries but this dictators will be thrown out as soon as possiblen don't worry, you again prove your ignorance when you ask "How long has it been trying now, 1,400 years?" read books to know how many centuries islam ruled the world.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Oh here we go lol, Islam has never ruled the world you idiot. Whatever they are teaching you at your ideology college is complete horseshit. You need to pull your head out of your donkeys ass and come back to reality. Point me to the book that says Islam "ruled the world" please cause I'd love to see that, I am not that much into fiction myself but I'll give it a look...lol.
Damn lol, you have a nerve calling anyone ignorant.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
i don't call anyone ignorant i call you ignorant; because you never give evidence when you open your mouth, you ask for books showing that islamic civilization was for centuries the source of knowledge and the source of philosophy and the most powerfull and tolerant cvilization, you can choose any book of history,but you are just brainwashed your reference is just CNN and FOx news! this is why you are ignorant
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 The Islamic disease assimilated cultures by force all over the middle east, decimating Persia (the greatest source of all you "claimed" achievements), the systematic slaughter of the people in India, still being torn apart by Muslim terrorists. There was no such thing as an Islamic golden age, only the theft by Islamists of indigenous cultures. A dirty thief called Muhammad stole everything from these cultures and gave rise to the trend of brutal rule that WAS Islam. "Tolerant" my ASS.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
Your problem is that you actually think the knowledge of Islam for westerners comes from FOX and CNN, well you would be very wrong. Every culture that Islam forcefully converted hates Islam, they didn't choose to be Dhimmis by choice you know. It was either convert or be subjugated or killed. Not much of a fucking choice was it? Well now your rotten culture has been halted. From Vienna when the filthy Ottoman empire was crushed, they even later tried to ride on Hitlers back, crushed again...lol
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
waw you are really ignorant! when a population reject a culture this population throw out this culture, like what happened in vietnam and in afghanistan and in iraq and like what happened in all islamic and non islamic occupied countries by europeans these population throwed out the european culture and the american culture! but! even if islamic countries are weak now the population don't reject islamic civilization in contrary ---->
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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they use islam as resistance ideology to fight against american terrorism and more and more european and american convert to this great civilization, yes Islam crushed the pagan and terrorist persian and roman-byzantine empire and this is why persians and middle eastern are so proud of Islam, they are proud that islam give them their freedom. and this is why they don't leave Islam! you see how you are ignorant?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 They leave Islamic nations in droves every day to escape the poverty that Islam produces. But don't worry, you know and I both know its only a matter of time before the mass deportation of Europe starts when someone with a spine stops appeasing Muslim freeloaders. Playing the victim seems to be the Muslim expertise these days, well fewer and fewer people are falling for that shit. You can prey to allah all you want, but when the oil runs out, you're fucked, no more Wahhabi money. :)
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface
when the oil runs out you are fucked because all your lifestyle is based on oil. just few islamic countries have oil less than 7 among 54 country!some people (muslims and christians and jews and atheist and budhists) immigrate to some countries to work they don't leave escape islam, they esscape pauverty, now a lot of french and spanish come to Morocco and Dubai and KSA to work because there is a huge crisis in europe! you see how you are ignorant!?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
---->about the muslim workers who immigrate to europe it is clear that they are proud of their religion they build mosques and they built cultural islamic centers and throught them thousands of european are converted to Islam every year, and they made islam the fastest growing religion in europe! oh yea it's clear they escape Islam!! ;-)
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@123backinyerface you give false statistics and use it to prove that islam is a fallacy! this lake you a liar and an idiot
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
all this is propaganda, ther is nothing like this in the holyt Quran! in fact there is a lot of issues handled by islamophobbes in websites because they choose to lie and to not study objectively the subject and to check scientific facts!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
the muslims are telling me that if we don't stop killing them and supporting opressive regimes in their countries (like we did with Saddam Hussien and gave funding to the Taliban so they could beat the Russians to a pulp) it really won't matter if the immigration stops or whatever. The muslims will still hate us and our lives will remain at risk as well.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Are you retarded buddy? Did you not hear what Mr Tarek mentioned? Even us moderates/mainstream Muslims are against the concept of Sharia law implemented as we believe in a true secular democratic society everyone has the right to live by their own freedoms. You can't possibly blame all Muslims for this, we have been working out to route fundamentalists from our mosques for ages. Stop aiming a war on Muslims who just want to assimilate and live in peace fool. Don't scapegoat.
993ironman 1 year ago
DONT FUCK WITH AMERICANS WE ARE THE DEADLIEST SHOTS DONT FUCK WITH THE INFIDEL
5446jesse619 1 year ago
Perfectly said. If you want sharia law, go live in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan.
Nucleo85Torino 1 year ago
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Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, & lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."
Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”
wakeup6661 1 year ago
The fat woman on the right is annoying when she speaks
Rabolisk 1 year ago
this is a joke tv debate.
wadanaay 1 year ago
I feel sorry for the world when so many of it's inhabitants cannot raise enough common sense to see that a man who ties a woman's legs to two camels and let them tear her into two pieces has nothing to do with good.
davediddlydoo 2 years ago 7
@davediddlydoo Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, & lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."
Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”
wakeup6661 1 year ago
@wakeup6661 Sorry, was this for me?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo Just trying to get my post to post...often it does not post although I see it posted twice this time. Often I cannot post my comments dunno why.
wakeup6661 1 year ago
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MrKimou1 1 year ago
why do you cut these two verses from their context? these two verses are about the pagans and the people of the book who broke the peace treaties with the prophet and conspired with Romans to exterminate the islamic society! after this incident the battle of Tabuk took place near the borders of romans they fear islamic army and finally there was no confrontation. after this the people of the book payed the jizyah (much lower tha zakat payed by muslims) and had same rights a hte muslims
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
who did this crime?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Since posting my comment, I have learned that it was not Muhammad who carried out the crime, but his adopted son. However Muhammad was far from horrified by this and gave no condemnation. He is regarded by some as an accomplice in the act. The old woman's daughter was then captured and raped by the tribe, including Muhammad himself. Once again, the case of Muhammad's sexual deviance is supported.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
where are you found this story? i'm a convert muslim and i have never read this, i read the holy quran and i read also the hadiths (stories about the life of the prophet and his deeds) but never read this! are you sure about your references? can you give me your source?
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Check out these references:
Ibn Ishaq 980
Tabari Vol.8:Page.96
The History of Al-Tabari: the Victory of Islam, trans. Michael Fishbein, vol. 8, SUNYP, 1997, pp. 95-97
Tabaqaat Ibn Sa'd 2/90 & Sirat Ibn Hisham 2/617.
So you see, this event is widely referenced in the hadiths and other writing.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
this isn't hadith these are books of history, the science of hadith establish a lot of conditions to verify the autheticity of hadiths, this story is fake because the person who fabricated it is well known by all the writers of hadiths his name is Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid and all hadiths writers say that he was a liar and he fabricated a lot of stories, so this story is not authentic using the standard of hadith's science and history because there is just one reporter and he is known as liar
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 You're saying that Al-Tabari isn't a hadith? Did you convert to Islam yesterday?! lol
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
i think al tabari wrote "tarikh al tabari' (al tabari's History) so it is a book of history not of hadiths, the two books that group the true hadiths checked following the condition of science of hadith are (Sahih bukhari and sahih muslim).
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1He did indeed write that. You might want to tell the other 1.5 billion Muslims in the world that Tabari is not an authentic hadith, because most Muslims reference it as such. Besides, even if we can discredit the story of Umm Qirfa, there are countless other reasons why Muhammad could never have been a prophet of God. So whether this event happened or didn't, it is irrelevant in light of the many other examples of Muhammad's vile behaviour.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
as i said this hadith is not authentic and have just one reporter and this reporter is well known by hadith scientists as a liar, this is why we don't find it in Bukhari or Muslim (the two book of authentic hadiths), Muhammed is the last prophet this is why more and more western scientists, philosophers, artists, diplomats converte to Islam, and the holy Quran is a great evidence of it
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 So Tabari is a liar? Why then do Muslims consistently and unashamedly cite him when backing up arguments? From taking his own adopted son's wife because he fancied her for himself, to raping a woman on the day he murdered her beloved husband and father, to raping his nine year old wife, Muhammad could never have been a prophet of God. Muhammad is the descendant of an illegitimate affair between Abraham and Hagar and God told that his covenant was with him through Isaac, not Ishmael.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
Tabari is not a liar, he wasn't alive at the time, as historian he reported all the versions of this story, because he wrote a bok of history not a book of hadith, muslims cite him in another discipline wich is the exegesis of the holy Quran (Tafseer al Tabari), all these events that you cite didn't happened you ignore a lot about Islam!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 He wasn't a liar? But you said he was...
as i said this hadith is not authentic and have just one reporter and this reporter is well known by hadith scientists as a liar
And like I said, Muhammad's disgusting behaviour extends beyond the story of Umm Qirfa. Considering that the 'divine revelation' of the Qur'an gives specific instructions from God himself about how to eat, pray, wash etc., I find it odd that God didn't reveal 'Don't sleep with kids, don't rape women' etc.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
this is because you haven't study the holy Quran, God reveal don't sleep with kids and don't rape women and respect you parents and don't allow banking interests and don't kill women and children and priests and old men in war....etc.
you haven't understand i gave you the name of the reporter (who was alive at the time and who was the lonly one who reported this story) Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid not Tabari
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Are you not aware of what you are saying?
'God reveal don't sleep with kids and don't rape women' (your words)
So from what you say, we can gleam two facts;
A) God is angry with Muhammad because he had sex with (raped) a nine year old girl and raped a woman who's father and husband he tortured and killed that very day.
and B) because of A, Muhammad was not the perfect example of human behaviour that Muslims hold him aloft to be?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
yes i'm aware
A- you talk about Aicha she was married to the prophet not raped! and she reported more than 1/3 of the hadiths! and you know the prophet lived in the 6th century (before 1400 years!) and before just 200 years the age of maturity in europe (christians ) was 12 yrs! and the scientists say that the age of maturity depend on socuial en environmental condition and is not fixed!
B-Muhammed is an example for hèumanity and this is what a lot of your historians say
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Sir, Aisha was as unable to consent to sex at nine as she was at six to consent to marriage. At nine years old sex with an overweight 54 year old man like Muhammad would have been painful as her vaginal muscles would have been too tight and her pelvis not fully formed. Sex at this age can also lead to infertility. She was raped. I am aware that she reported in the hadiths - in particular she spoke to Muhammad noting that his 'revelations' always seemed to justify his desires...
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 ...And I have heard this claim that girls matured younger at that time and climate SO many times before and there is NO scientific evidence for this. It is a bogus fact concocted by Muslims because they do not want to accept the fact that Muhammad was a paedophile. Take 100 nine year old girls today from ANYwhere in the world with ANY number of climates and ALL these girls will be CHILDREN, regardless of what you say. Muhammad was an unfit example of behaviour and a false prophet.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 ...And what are we to say then on his rape of the woman whose father and Husband he tortured and killed that very day? What bogus ideas are you going to bring in order to defend your woefully flawed prophet there?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
you are to say that this is a fake story! and that if you are sincere and serious in your study you must follow a methodological way in your study, not to google and look for anti-islam propaganda, i mean this is not serious way to study any religion!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 So he didn't have sex with a nine year old girl?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
you talk a lot but you give no evidence of what you say, for me, here is the result of american study wich is no on the website of (the endocrine society) specialist in Homrmon research! (/cgi/content/full/24/5/668#R7) the age of maturity of afro-americans in usa is about 11.4 yrs,
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 I haven't given any evidence because I haven't needed to but click on w w w . mum . org / menarage . htm and you will see that the absolute minimum average age for ANY girls from ANY part of the world is TWELVE. A full THREE YEARS older than Aisha was when Muhammad raped her. And for the love of God man, even the study that YOU PROVIDED says that the average is 11.4 years which is itself almost THREE YEARS older than Aisha was! I mean, you've just shot your argument out of the water!
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 ...and furthermore, the study I have provided shows the average age of initial menstration for the ENTIRE WORLD and you only give ONE example of ONE locality. Now, you have chosen afro-americans?!? Rather odd considering Aisha was an arab?! And even FURTHERmore I notice you haven't even given the website, just a reference, so I can't check out your evidence for myself.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
the statistics that i gave you are from very known and prestigious research center in USA anf the age of 11.4 is just a medium (average) age, the study say that a lot of girls get to the age of maturity at 9 yrs old! and don't forget that we talk a bout a study lade in the 21th century not in the 6th century! the age of maturity depends on a lot of parameters like climat and pollution and social conditions!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 And if you read my comment and actually checked out the survey I cited, you will see that what I gave you was the absolute MINIMUM average age of first menstruation of ANY part of the world! Most of the averages were OVER THIRTEEN! As for prestigious studies, the british medical journal found that the average age of first menstruation in British girls is 12 years 11 months!! Now I'm not going to continue arguing this point that I am clearly winning. EVERY survey that we are looking...
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 ...at cites an average age of first menstruation at A COUPLE OF YEARS OVER 9 YEARS OF AGE! The survey I cited gives examples from countries across the entire world, which would cover climate and social conditions. So the claim of those things making girls menstruate younger is bullshit. I'm not going to waste any more time discussing whether or not Muhammad was a paedophile, when he clearly was. If you cannot see that he was a man of poor character and a false prophet, you never will.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@Mrkimou1 ...And please, Mr. Kimou, do yourself a favour and type in 'Nine year old girl' into google images. Go on, do it. Have a look at the hundreds of thousands of pictures of tiny young CHILDREN that appear. Now imagine a FIFTY year old man having sex with them. If that doesn't turn your stomach and make you doubt your 'prophet' then nothing will. If that is the case, I pity you.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
are joking we talk about the 6th century not the 21th century! so waht you are saying about taping nine year old in google is just funny!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 The conditions in the 6th century? Tell me what conditions you're talking about that aren't replicated today...? Tell me. Heat? Humidity? Bad hygiene? Social depravation? All those conditions are found today!! In Arabia, the conditions are identical to the 6th century! lol There is no difference!! Exactly what is different about the 6th century from the 21st century?!
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
no arabia is on earth not in the planet Mars, in Arabia there is industrial facilities near of arabia there was a war where americans used depleted uranium weapons and where babies die inthe first 3 week after birth, and in arabia there is McDonalds supermarkets and pollution and in arabia girls go everyday to school at least until 18yr. but even if we say that there is no difference, i told you that 11 yr was just an average. yesterday a 10yr girl gave birth to a healthy baby in spain!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Your ignorance is mind-blowing. You saying that a 10 year old girl gave birth to a healthy baby in the sense that it is normal and ok, makes me doubt your sanity. Good luck, I'm not talking to you anymore.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
i don't told you that i'm ok, i gave you a fact that now girl at 10 yrs old can give a birth! and i told you that american scientists say that the age of maturity can be 9 yrs nowadays! you can't accept these facts you are free! but don't say that you have arguments!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@MrKimou1 Woah woah woah, so you're saying it's NOT ok for a girl that young to be having sex?
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
but it don't cover these conditions in the 6th century! and it give the average and the minimal ages and according to the american study that i gave you this minimal age is 9yrs! so all your claims about the prophet are false and just propaganda!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
@davediddlydoo
what you are saying don't deny waht i said! you that average is 12 according to a british study i say that the average in some areas of the world (USA is 11yrs but both of these numbers are just an average that mean that age of maturity can be less than these ages because these ages are just average!
MrKimou1 1 year ago
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@davediddlydoo
i made my research about what you say and i found that this is a fake story and there no book of hadith wich say that this story happened!and this wasn't reported by more than one reporter wich is Mohammed Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid and he is well known as a liar and fabricated a lot of fake stories.
MrKimou1 1 year ago
did they intentionally picked up a dumb anchor person no to offend Muslims ?
Kbrt111 2 years ago
baburo: because that would just devolve into stupid desert talk and excuses
2Banarne2 2 years ago
Why all the speaker are anti Islamic? Why isn't a Muslim invited to the show and speak for the Muslims if FoxNews is 'fair and balanced'? Just asking...
baburo101 2 years ago
@baburo101 Why can't some Muslims in the US just give up their desire for Sharia law....any for of it?I know some don't want it, but for those who do....why don't they realize how uncivilized and backwards it is?
veritasviking 2 years ago
@baburo101 What the hell r u talking? The lady in the left n the Gentleman in the right are both muslims....Now don't give ur usual banter that they r not muslims since they spoke against islam...or does a muslim has to look weird n grow beard for u?
venkash 2 years ago
@baburo101 well their show will be spoiled. They of course won't hate calling a moslem as long as it is Wafa Sultan or the guy from YongTurks e.t.c that seems to be their policy, and they are not alone doing this.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
hahahahah look at their books on display in front of those idiots!!! hahahahahaa, u've got to be kidding me; Fox this is waaaayyyyy too oobbviiioouusss!
skaterboy21292 2 years ago
Stop the fucking Neo Crusades Now and we will leave you in Peace
davidshaz20000 2 years ago