Obama Hates Clove Cigarettes

[vampirelord1217]

yeah u are right about taste like crap damn even the djarum was expensive, hopefully here in Puerto Rico my carton of blacks get here ...

[AllBlack231]

whoaaa your from battle creek too????? haha awsome!!! i am doing research for school, (battle creek central high school) about the ban of flavored cigarettes

[StevennTv]

Peter Grififns Brother Mike lol

[The0neLove]

Just saw your video, and even though it's old news, i still enjoy hearing your opinion.

I saw you mentioned gay marriage... I couldn't distinguish whether you were for or against it. Do you mind elaborating?

[skulldrix]

Teenagers still smoke. I'm 14, and I don't give a shit. Menthol, is what we do man.

[EthMan09]

so, you say you don't smoke very often, so how many times a week do you smoke?

[paleocrat]

@EthMan09 At the time I made the video I smoked one or two a day, if that. It was almost always a social thing for me. My friends and I would drink, smoke cloves, play guitar, sing songs, and talk about religion and politics until the wee hours of the night. The same holds true even now, though without the late nights.

I used to smoke a pipe years ago. I rather enjoyed that. I am just not a fan of cigarettes. I don't like the taste, the smell, the ash or the butts. Just don't care for it.

[EthMan09]

@paleocrat wow, sounds like me and my friends, except we've never had cloves up till now. I actually quit smoking not too long ago, but decided I gotta smoke at least one clove "cigar' before i die haha. but i totally agree with you, there are so many things going on in the world and the government decides to attack smokers yet again. I've almost entirely stopped paying attention to the issues now because the government doesn't seem to be doing much to accomplish important tasks

[paleocrat]

@EthMan09 The government is upside-down and all around, but rarely in the right place at the right time for the right reason.

I have gone back-and-forth with tobacco over the years. I enjoy it very much, but rarely find anything I prefer. I won't just smoke to smoke. The clove cigarettes were, along with the pipe, a pleasant exception. The cigars aren't horrible, but they just aren't the same. They aren't all that aromatic either.

I really enjoy electronic cigarettes though. May buy one.

[EthMan09]

@paleocrat one of my friends has the e cig, he likes it, he decided it wasn't a bad choice since in vermont, the cigarette taxes keep going up like crazy, so the e cig is a bit cheaper in the long run. i have also gone back and forth between smoking and non smoking, my lover doesn't like that i do it, but it's something that I enjoy and am also addicted to. i just hate being an every day smoker, so I've stopped for about a week now.

[jman0524]

This bill will not stop one kid from smoking who wants to smoke. the only way to stop it would be to require much stricter penalties for underage possession and sale to minors. Most agree that minors shouldnt smoke or use tobacco illegally, but trampling the freedoms of tax paying adults is a terrible way to attempt to achieve that goal. This bill also will give Phillip Morris a majority share of the market, since it destroys their competition (djarum + black and mild)

[usernameT916]

the leading cause of death is heart disease ( now caused most likely by a rise in the consumption of fatty foods). I wonder when they're going to start regulating our diets as well and then maybe even what we watch on TV. Then our society will end up just like the book 1984.

[PalmsRead818]

i also find smoking to be a social luxury to be taken in moderate quantities....like drinking! which are two bad things if done regularly...flavored liquor a soon-to-be taboo? hmm..

thank you for a smooth flowing viewpoint video. :) (hard to find on youtube haha)

[youngfred116]

yeah. free country my dick. america ain't shit. once you realise that, shit gets easier to comprehend. the fucking money matrix is all around you.

[geneofthelamp]

its all for money my friend, phillip morris had lobbyists pushing the bill through congress the whole time. Why? because they wanted to stomp out the competition from foreign companies, such as Djarum which is from india

[OrdeBiru]

Djarum is from Indonesia...where Obama spent his childhood...

[geneofthelamp]

ya, i get the two mixed up every now and then but im sure everybody gets the gyst

[BURNBULLETS]

Good vid man. Thanks to all you assholes who voted Obamba.

[Hugh33h]

2:16 he was going to say swisher sweets (I personally don't like them, but hey its a free world!..or at least it was...)

[Shabockery]

This guy REALLY reminds me of the guy dressed as Santa with the glasses from Home Alone. No disrespect though. I used to smoke cloves btw. Actually I still do but I make them which is cheaper anyway.

[Proselyte2]

I just started watching your videos today and I just wanted to say that I agree and love the videos!

[paleocrat]

Thank you very much. I am glad you enjoy them. Spread the word about the site. My Mac was stolen, so I am working on a comp without a video cam for podcast program. I may be buying a cam today. Expect more very soon.

Do you mind me asking which you like better: religious/apologetics or politics? Both?

[ChouLian23]

your vid title made me laugh :) but I agree with you...

[totem168]

I though obama smoke clove cigarettes

[jozgod]

HAHAHAHAHA I know the guy who owns a cigarette shop and he has 4 crates of cloves cause i told him about the bill early hahaha he cant keep em on the floor because its considered advertising. hahaha im so happy

[wirelessoptical]

Anyone know what the state of Djarum CIGARS are? I heard they were going to offer small cigars to off-set the ban on the cigarettes.

And I agree this bill is a bunch of hypocrisy

[Lobotomyu]

If they market Djarum kretek as little-cigars they will by-pass the ban.

[th3th0mas]

they are out, went to a tobacco store and they had them displayed

[Acidreiyne]

Finally someone other than me saying that Phillip Morris had a hand in this. Phillip Morris bought Sampoerna several years ago and then that brand of cloves mysteriously disappeared.

I call this unconstitutional. Kudos to you for making this video. Very informative and well said throughout.

[keltycphoenyx]

If ANYONE has any clove cigarettes left, that they would not mind sharing.. please email me for my contact details.

Thank you.

[rjb2500]

If you get really desperate for a clove cigarette, just buy a grinder, loose tabbaco mix them together then roll them yourself!!! Thats what most are going to have to do :( or you can try and get them online. Hope this helps!!!!

[Lobotomyu]

actually the cloves are in the paper not the tobacco.You would have to grind and make a pulp of the clove and then make cigarette papers from that.

[rjb2500]

Actually no I have been smoking Djarum for years and its mixed in with the tobacco, it isn't in the paper!!! If you ever break one up you see cloves mixed in with the tobacco. I am lucky tho there is no ban in Canada!!!!

[v3lcr0w]

Funny, most all of the underage smokers I know don't even smoke cloves even though they are (well were before today) widely accessible. It was mainly due to them being 6.50 a pack and when you are underage you really aren't that picky when it comes to smoking, you take what you can get. It's ridiculous that this is happening.

[Lobotomyu]

Legally after 22,9,2009 you can import them only to purchase cigarettes(banned in the act;if the product is marked as Kretek they could still be sold) flavoured with different chemicals.

[Crazyfrankie666]

And by then, Djarium will be selling Cigars instead of Cigs to bypass the law. If you ask me, i do not know if they are filled with cloves still.

[Lobotomyu]

If they market them as Kretek they can bypass the law entirely because to be technical Kretek are considered different from cigarettes.

[prfsnlwannabe]

I just talked to a friend, and it is true that Djarum is selling cigars/cigarillos(?, whatever they're called) with clove in them. I still don't think it'll be the same as traditional Djarum cloves, but maybe that's because I've always been less into cigars/cigarillos.

That aside, the FDA tobacco regulation act was ridiculous in prohibiting flavored cigs beyond menthol! If politicians are so dumb to try incremental prohibition, they may as well prohibit ALL tobacco products from being sold.

[Lobotomyu]

they sell the same product now as "cigarillos" to bypass the FDA smoking-regulation laws since it only expressly bans Cigarettes.

[Crazyfrankie666]

It tastes like SHIT, oiii i dont think i can take the ban to be honest, i miss the CIGERRETES not this stupid bad bitter tasting Cigars. Oiii. I think i might have to bypass congress to get the normal Djarium cigs.

[Crazyfrankie666]

Do you know when the cigars/Cigarillos will be coming out? i checked in Sept 22nd at my local smoke shop just to see if Djarium was available and surprisingly they took all of the Djarium and had to throw it away.

[jco354]

Total bullshit. Phillip Morris cant stand the competition, they want the U.S. market all to themselves. This is all about money to them. They think we will switch to their crappy brand. Why wont they work with congress and pass a bill to make themselves tell the truth about how bad their smokes are ? Im so pissed. This just proves that Phillip morris is in the wallets of congress or else congress would do the same laws against P.M

What will we loose next ? The P.M company is a hypocrite.

[ShaunaDDye]

"Won't someone please think of the children!"

- Maude Flanders

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

- Franklin"

[calebblock]

i smoked one right along with you during the video :)

its total BS though....

[Breakyerself]

We should outlaw masturbation? Are you in favor of some kind of christian theocracy here?

[viper45428]

I love it how people automatically blame Obama for this. It was Phillip Morris's self serving, paid off lobbyists that are to blame. research your shit.

[MrReality13]

Philip Morris obviously pushed for the bill but Obama was the one who signed it.

[viper45428]

Actually he signed the bill making it possible for the FDA to regulate cigarettes more. Other assholes slipped in their little fine print provision that underweighs the benefits of the bill so that they could sneak it in. Happens all the time.

[Lobotomyu]

But it was in the house since 2005;Obviously Phillip-Morris has no qualms against flavouring cigarettes because they still in Indonesia;use clove to flavour their Malboro cigarettes and bypass the heavy taxation of cigarettes themselves.

[MrReality13]

Hey I am not arguing with the fact that Philip Morris pushed for this because they benefited from it. All I am saying is that Obama signed the bill. He could have vetoed it but he signed it. Philip Morris did not sign the bill Obama did.

[Acidreiyne]

You are absolutely right. After Bush I thought I would never say this, but Obama is the single biggest mistake this country ever made.

[Lobotomyu]

kretek are not necessarily banned simply the bill states the FDA can if it wants ban Kretek and flavoured-cigarettes.Phillip Morris lobbied the bill to get rid of competition and gain sales.Studies have found that Djarum is least smoked within amongst adolescents oddly enough too.

[Crazyfrankie666]

This is true, Cloves make up 1% of smokers, as for Menthol it is usually 25 to 26%.

[geira005]

They are just taxing tobacco because smokers have been a taxable social outcast for years. Much more popular to tax smokers, than say people earning over a million dollars a year, thanks to republicans. The government, needs money otherwise it takes out loans from china, which leads to more national debt. Or we could just cut all programs and privatize everything and live in some libertarian, anarchist fantasy land where the government doesnt exist and kind hearted corporations preserve utopia.

[darkdreamerjoy]

Taxing them fine...making new Djarums black bad bad bad, I just tasted the 'new' Djarums Black they are making as an outcome of this bill and they taste like crap...it;s like a regular cigarette has anyone had one? I threw it away..

[netherlander85]

It doesn't take a genius to realize that youngsters don't start smoking something like a djarum. Teenagers start smoking by swiping whatever their parents or older siblings smoke. Underage smokers really can't be picky anyway seeing how they are at the will or whoever purchases for them.

Next Miller/Coors will be promoting a bill that bans flavorful options like porters, stouts, and ales...for the good of the youth...not lining their own pockets. I wouldn't put it past them.

[firstcor1313]

I love watching your slow transition into an eccentric old man...

Keep up the good work, I always enjoy your videos.

[XSC3]

So I'd agree, that proper labeling and access to information being readily available for people to know what's going into their food and other things they put into their bodies is what I'd ask for first before the government just steps in and bans stuff. Much as I would like certain things to be banned because I'm sure they're bad for people, that is certainly antithetical to personal freedom.

[XSC3]

But I get where you're coming from, in terms of the libertarian ideal of the well INFORMED but free individual. the only quibble is how much that individual is part of society and so forth (balancing common good with individual freedom). For example I imagine we would both probably oppose public funding for artificial contraception and yet many would argue that's a common good, even if people can choose "not to use it." It's not a black and white issue, I agree.

[graaaaaagh]

lols

[antipelagian]

I just sat through 9 min 41 seconds worth of second hand smoke....and clove cigs give me diarrhea.

[XSC3]

your other points were very well put (second half of the video)

[XSC3]

I do agree that they are hypocrites though.

[XSC3]

People will say "but are you going to ban junk food next?" pointing out that long term that can cause serious health problems too. But then junk food doesn't contain large quantities of addictive substances intentionally introduced to keep you craving it. There's also the issue of "second hand smoke." Now I hear they have these pipes you can buy where you just suck the nicotine straight out of it, and it feels like a cig in your hand. Still a waste of money (imho), but not so bad for you.

[paleocrat]

Have you not read Fast Food Nation or seen Super Size Me? Food and drink companies most certainly put potentially harmful (aspartame) and addictive (ginseng, caffeine, etc.) chemicals in their products. A quick read over the chapter in Fast Food Nation dealing with processed foods and the use of fragrance companies to create artificial flavors and entice various emotions within the consumer would also be worth your time.

[XSC3]

I was unboxing Fast Food Nation at my job the other day, actually (I haven't read it, but I did see parts of the movie). I saw "Supersize Me" (gross!) and I agree. The fast food companies are out for a buck and the stuff is super unhealthy (even if they left out those potential harmful/addictive chemicals). I simply can't eat fast food anymore, it makes me sick to my stomach (not like back in high school) so I avoid it whenever possible.

[XSC3]

clove cigs defiantly smell better, and as a non-smoker I can appreciate that, being around people who puff on them. However they are somewhat worse for you than regular cigarettes. I also think pipes smell good. Of course pipes are less bad for you than the the rest, but anytime you're constantly inhaling burning materials, that's not going to be healthy for your lungs long-term, never mind the nicotine that keeps you hooked. If they didn't cause cancer, I'd say no big deal.

[graaaaaagh]

4:30-6:30 Didn't really agree. Everything else is essentially my own opinion as well.

[graaaaaagh]

I love clove cigarettes. So five stars.

[migkillertwo]

I wouldn't smoke in the car either. it lowers the resale value.

[paleocrat]

Resell a Honda? Heaven forbid! The Bannister family tradition is to allow cars to run until they simply can't run any more. I just don't know if I could ever bring myself to actually sell the Element.

Buuuut, I may consider a trade, were I to be offered a bus detailed much like the one in Nacho Libre. If my wife and I keep going at our current rate, we may actually need a bus! haha

[migkillertwo]

speaking of which what is the catholic position on non-abortifacent contraceptives?

[paleocrat]

The Church's denouncing Onanism as inherently evil ought to give you a decent idea. I'll give you references within the Catechism later tonight when I have time.

[paleocrat]

Catechism of the Catholic Church can be read online for free. Here are the reference numbers that answer your question: 2366-2370.

2370: In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil.

Every action, be it artificial birth control or Onanism, is seen as an intrinsic evil. Nice & easy.