Planned Obsolescence, Perceived Obsolescence

[gethsoftware]

Wait? what? you threw the hole computer out? Any pc can be updated, even if you tecnicaly chuck everything out you can still use the cooling and power system. oh, you where using mac. an PC can be updated with one part at the time, afther 5 years, only thing you really need to update is memory and graphic card. so fucking dont go an buy mac, cos it has no spare parts.

[acerjojo12]

This video is decetfull. I don't buy it. ANd they are telling us to stop buying stuff?!?! That would trash the economy. What do you think would happen to people who make that stuff. They get fired. And about the computers. I build computers and thats not how it works. For one. CPU's are ALL square they don't change shape. And what do you want them to do? Stop makeing computer advancements? And the CPU si not all that changes... RAM, HDD, MotherBord, Ect...

[KirbysABAMF]

@acerjojo12 This segment of the video by itself is potentially deceitful out of context yes. The point of the entire video is just to try to promote awareness for how unsustainable the current production system is. There is a very limited amount of resources on the planet and if all of it ends up in a landfill in a 30 years then we have nothing left to make things with, and that seems like a problem for anyone still wanting stuff.

[acerjojo12]

@KirbysABAMF Then we will start mining land fills. What people don't get is that we live in a closed circuit. Nothing can be distroid only transformed. Matter is always in a constinat state. We just need to find new ways to mine it. WE WILL NEVER "RUN OUT" of goods. Land fills will be gold mines in about 50 years. Ether way. Its never good to lie to people even if its for a good cause. I don't like deceitfulness!

[KirbysABAMF]

@acerjojo12 Mining land fills will only be able to do so much. It is much costly to extract and transform individual components than it is to create objects from raw materials. For example thermoplastics are reusable since they can be melted and transformed, but other plastics burn when heated, so those are really not capable of being transformed. It is true that "matter cannot be created or destroyed" but sometimes it transforms into non-useful materials (like C02 and carbon).

[steamer846]

This planned obsolesence aslo serves our governments, they use these incremental design changes as hedonics in economics, your $500 TV gets a new feature for the same price and the economists say that the TV is worth more, therefore they estimate that the price of the TV has decreased, sometimes by up to 50%, this way they try to convince us that inflation is low, even though we might be paying double for our food over the last 2 years.

[blonde7000]

nothing to do with what i was looking for "10000 Maniacs - Planned Obsolecence

[supahacka]

i am all against planned obsolescence but the examples in this videos are stupid on so many leverls. if a cpu architecture changes ofc you need a new chipset with it. and a flatscreen has many advantages over a crt ... get eye cancer with your old crt if it make you feel better.

[steamer846]

@supahacka I understand that chip producers have new chip sets lined up 1 or 2 years ahead, therefore they are conspiring to sell you something that they already know is obsolete, that is planned obsolescence. Also with LCD TV every new season there is a new model with very small design changes, this with the marketing strategies to convince you that your old LCD TV needs updating is part of the problem.

[supahacka]

@steamer846

learn about electronics ... even if you switch from CMOS to TTL you need a totally new circuit. there are 100 examples of planned obsolescence but a CPU needs a new chipset almost every time ... the chipset needs to be able to handle the new speeds (extremely simplified) ...

[steamer846]

@supahacka I understand, however the issue is not that the computer needs a new chipset with new CPU but that the manufacturers conspire to not release the latest technology but keep it back, either in line with their competitor or because to do so will increase sales. Bear in mind that this is only a small part of the argument. Planned obsolescence applies to lightbulbs, cameras, TVs, Hi-fi, ladies stockings, fabrics in general, washing machines, refrigerators - nothing to do with technology.

[Duckywarrior]

Innovation and evolution in technology is key to our world and has been ever since the beginning of time. This woman's argument about a piece in the computer not fitting? Bullshit. I have never heard of a more idiotic thing to say. Without new things being invented, you know where we would be? Living in caves still. New things are invented and put out for sale because they are an improvement to the old. Tell me, is a horse drawn wagon obsolete for quick travel? Yes, because we have faster stuff.

[steamer846]

@Duckywarrior this is not the point, manufacturers make stuff to actually break in a certain period of time. Your printer has a chip that is programmed to only print 18,000 pages before it tells you it has malfunctioned and will not work again. MP3 players are not designed so that when the battery fails you can replace it. She is not saying that innovation is bad, but that design changes are knowingly made to make your product useless so that you buy more and more stuff that you don't need

[Ditrix]

I seriously can't believe how stupid people are, this bitch isfull of shit

[lamborghiniguy101]

@Ditrix You're an idiot.

[curiouscrutiny]

awesome clip

[MirageScience]

This lady hasn't built a computer and just fed you a load of bullshit.

[outerspaceidiot]

@MirageScience dude. it's not bullshit. sure, you have built a computer, and sure, so do a ton of other people, but a vast majority of people dont. they either buy premade pcs or apple products. Toshiba and apple are especially bad with planned obsolescence since you can't actually change any of the parts for parts you would rather have. for toshiba, if you need a new part, you have to get the toshiba part that happened to be put out of production when your model of computer was released. hmm...

[MirageScience]

@outerspaceidiot You don't need Toshiba parts just because the computer was made by Toshiba, that's horse shit too.  The only things which have to be compatable are the graphics cards, cpu, and mother board which are that way because of technological advances, not because of planned obsolescence. Cpus change size because they get better, same a graphics cards, and therefore you need a motherboard that can fit them. This lady acts as if people can predict future technology before we invent it.

[outerspaceidiot]

@MirageScience toshiba manufactures their own parts and doesnt sell them separately. sure, with a dell and an hp, what you said if 100% correct, but toshiba makes their own parts, or modifies other parts to fit their computers. the only thing they cant modify is the processor, so they hide that under a fan that's screwed in and under layers of other things.

[MirageScience]

@outerspaceidiot while I disagree with your assessment about "hiding" the cpu under the fan, because almost all cpus are under a heat sink and fan, and because it doesn't take much work to unscrew something, I understand Toshiba manufactures or as you say modifies parts. Can you take a wild guess as to why? Well its because they aren't capitalized enough to do much better, its not planning, it just one of the things that must be done, otherwise they would be put out of business by competitors.

[outerspaceidiot]

@MirageScience but why would they make parts different from companies like hp or dell? i can take a component from one and put it in the other with no problem. and i dont mean that the processor is just under a standard fan. for example, when my laptop broke, it was because of a hard drive crash. just a hard drive, but i couldn't find one to replace it, because the model wasnt in production. When i opened it up i went through 3 layers of just stuff and broke the hull just to get to the fan. why?

[MirageScience]

@outerspaceidiot Well to start it sounds like you yourself don't know how to handle hardware, so you can't blaim your accidents on the manufacturer. With that said, Toshiba requires modified parts to properly function as the product consumers want it to be. Go look up malfunction rate comparisons between manufactures. Toshiba is right behind Asus (the best), which is what I use. Why? well because they are made from good parts. It's slightly funny you would use Toshiba as an example.

[outerspaceidiot]

@MirageScience yeah ive only built 3 desktops and 2 laptops. i have no idea how to handle hardware. and im not trying to say that toshiba is a bad computer manufacturer, and im sorry if it sounded like i was, but they dont give people who know what theyre doing to do self repairs like dell. They have full intention of you buying an entirely new computer if one piece of hardware malfunctions. that is planned obsolescence

[MirageScience]

@outerspaceidiot well maybe you found a nice example, so stop buying Toshiba and tell more people than just me. Still your far more reasonable position is not like the one expressed in the video.

[gethsoftware]

@outerspaceidiot dont know how things are in america, but in here europe if one things does not work you can easily get spare parts. meaby you shuld stop bying integreted systems. and buy custom made. PC can be fully useble even afther 5 years, if you update its memory and graphic card. pc can allso be upadeted one part at the time when needed.

[MirageScience]

@MirageScience But really Toshiba is besides the point, this lady acts as if all of them do it on purpose, as if they can predict how future technologies will fit. I just watched it again, I can't believe you can't see some of what she is saying as crap. Watch it again, call what she is saying crap, then think of a reason why, I'm sure you will find one once you are willing to say it's crap.

[JohanOlsson]

haha its so funny, if this woman that smart, why did she recorded this program with a CAMERA which is a material thing which you are gonna to get rid of sooner or later, as she said in the beginning hehe, it shows that even those who think they are smarter than others, are truly more dumber :P Well who cares, its still necessary to buy a new computers all the time, to play new games :P

[7lilypads]

BLACKBERRY MOBILE. F*CK.!!!!

[ironhaden]

Cell Phones, would of been a much better example then computers, because computers can be pre built by a company, but i for one built my own computer and know the hardware of my computer so i know what i can and cannot upgrade because of current technology limitations. cellphones, i dont even want to get started. lol

[jeremykentdavis]

@ironhaden ik like i have the same pc since 2003 and ive only upgraded the ram and hard drive and mobo ones video card 3 times but i have the same case its a nice gaming one

[xxdiogenescynicxx]

We aren't destroying the planet, eventually the planet will destroy us because of this bullshit.  Oh well.

[concept1027]

I agree with most people below. This video is a good product being sold by an utterly useless sales person.

[brinepacer]

... right across a PC, from hard drives to graphics cards, to sound cards. The move from large desktop PCs to small form PCs has nothing to do with "a tiny little piece", laptop to netbook has nothing to do with "a tiny little piece", mobile phone to smartphone has nothing to do with "a tiny little piece". If you're going to use a single example as the basis of your argument, you need to find one that's true, and that's where this video falls down. It's simply not true.

[makavelismith]

@brinepacer Exactly my point. See the problem is, is that the argument is actually a very strong one and one I myself have dealth with on a large scale. My problem with this is that you could not pick a worse example!.. nothing and i mean nothing advances faster than computer development.. if she just used the example of TV's etc (a technology that does advance but not anywhere near at the same rate)... then I'd be happier.

[brinepacer]

@rrwk17 I use PCs every single day that are over 10 years old - a little bit of care, much as you would give a car of over 10 years old, means you can use it for many years with no problems. Older PCs won't run the newest versions of Photoshop for example, just as a car of over ten years won't win any races. In the video, the presenter says "each year" a "tiny little piece" changes, which is completely incorrect, it's the basis of her argument and it's 100% false - advances in technology span...

[makavelismith]

@brinepacer People complained about my comments about her bad example and that i was missing the point... but I havent and you and the others are proof. She can say something that is true : Planned Obsolescence is real. My problem with that is when you have a complete idiot telling you something like that and uses a terrible example.. You are inclined to not be educated by it.. and rightly so because that person is in no position to educate. really idiotic stuff

[brinepacer]

@rrwk17 - I get what the message is, I really do, my point was that using examples that are completely incorrect works against your argument. I get that using PCs as part of an argument is compelling, because most people are sitting at a PC at the time, but when you use factually incorrect examples, it completely ruins your argument, especially when the person posting the video is telling you to ignore the examples that make up the video.

[rrwk17]

@brinepacer Her examples are not unfounded. While her knowledge of PC's may not be complete, her point is very clear. I challenge you to name one person who can successfully use their pc that is older than 10 years. Hell, even older than 5. We have had computers in our family since the first macs came out and i can personally tell you that over time they have reduced in their longevity(maybe current macs as exception). She may need to revise specifics in her examples, but they work nonetheless

[brinepacer]

Ah, you lost me at the rediculous version of how technology advances boiling down to "computer chips are different sizes". Plainly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. And when @autubelemming says "Look beyond the words and examples and listen to the message", what you're actually saying is "ignore the facts". If the words and examples don't add up to the message, then the message is wrong, simple as that.

[rrwk17]

@brinepacer .......The message is ---pay attention-- that we are living in a throw away/hyper consuming society. THAT things are not made to last, but to be replaced.....THAT we are consuming faster that we replenish......That this way of living creates grand inequality amongst states(meaning governments/nations). This is a very simple model, but is apex to global issues. One simple fact could be that we in the US consume 25% of the worlds resources, and we make up less than 5% of the population

[stinkbegaaier]

Planned obsolescence. Distorted, sinful towards nature and above all disgusting.

[TheAgentOfDeath]

xbox360 is 100% planned obsolescence for sure

[diurdi]

Rofl what a fucking idiot. Moore's law is what changes in computers.

You think you know what people should prefer better than others? Rather arrogant of you.

[4no11]

she should join the venus project and the zeitgeist movement.

[LoveVanillaRose]

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE

[AdiGriTV]

This video is so obsolete.... is there a new version available?

[SozialismusTV]

Das ist die Marktwirtschaft.

Produziert wird nach Profit und nicht nach den Bedürfnissen!

FÜR EINE GEPLANTE WIRTSCHAFT! (nein nicht wie in der ddr...)

[gooddarkjedi]

ok, this boy goes red rather then continues this bullshit. i want my computer to be compatible and i want it the be easy to repair and long lasting investment. i dont want to buy new computer every second year and i wont, i will update my fucking graphic card and proccesor and software but i will never buy a new computer. this is where we shuld take an example from the soviet union. i once drove a lada that was over 25 years old and it worked perfect, i chalenge you to find one in west.

[mymovienerd]

@gooddarkjedi What is a Lada?

[Xerohtlp]

@mymovienerd a soviet car that drives you!

[sourmanofcoal]

@gooddarkjedi You will not get a computer that lasts for a long time, thats the whole point of Planned Obsolescence, a product that lasts long time just keeps you from buying a new product.

[TornTech]

Apple and their iPhones are a perfect example!

[julesTEO]

@TornTech Let alone iPhones..... iPads! they´ve barely just been released and if you still got the 1st gen ipad you´re already so 2010....

[passerby26]

I don't dispute that companies use every marketing tool at their disposal to sell you their stuff, but I believe planned obsolescence is largely a myth. It doesn't make any sense for the companies. Designing things to break down a day after its warranty expires is not only difficult to do but it also leaves you liable to be undercut by your competitors or the consumer deciding not to buy the product at all. It would be helpful to read some concepts on free market economics.

[LibertarianOnline]

To say that the only part of a computer that changes every year is one irremovable chip is so wrong I don't even know where to start. This was obviously made by someone not in the tech industry.

[CitoJam]

I've never heard so much bullshit in so short time. This is the typical conspiracy theory, "they make us consume purposelessly". Buy a book, study, and learn why this video is an absolute waste of time.

[houli107]

Ahh planned obsolescence... Another reason why corporate CEO's deserve to be shot in the back of the head

[latronpe]

Her examples about comuters and monitors are quite bad...but planned obsolenscense is absolutely not ridiculous ! Ever heard of the Livermore light bulb ? 110 years of illumination...now wonder why those bulbs you got in your house only last 1000 hours, why you have to replace every f*cking year...

[JoeTube27]

ipod touch is a perfect example. I bought the 1st one. In about a years time, they came out with an updated model, basically they added a speaker and camera, now you're telling me they did NOT do this on purpose? It's the money/profit structure that allows this backstabbing action for the sake of profit, so wasteful. Make something and make it last!!!!!! We have an anti-economic system.

[stereokid]

How is wanting a LCD monitor over a CRT (Fat) monitor a Perceived Obsolescence?

LCD monitors use less power, don't flicker, take up less space, don't generate as much heat, make no high pitch noises, and don't give off electromagnetic radiation.

1:41 Her poor coworker is being blasted by the radiation coming from the back of her fat CRT monitor. That's why CRT are lead lined, to try to stop some of that.

[Nintencrow]

This was incredibly unreflected. I feel bad for watching.

DO NOT LIKE.

[calikissez]

this is HORRIBLE

[enigmism4life]

At the same time though there are elements of design that are considering ergonomics not just randomly changing the shape of things, all high technology has gradually gotten smaller and flatter. There is a consideration for aesthetics as well as space saving and probably some decent designers work on these problems with good intention, but of course it essentially boils down to the unsustainable profit motive.

[boojahsmoker]

If you like this and really are interested in knowing the root cause of planned obsolescence and what would happen if everything were made to last, please check out THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT

[areallysmartamerican]

God bless her.

[psikeyhackr]

{{{ Ridiculous ,Pcs CPUs come with a different socket set for a very good reason. they are not the only thing that changes in pcs }}}

So haven't you ever heard of a PASSIVE BACKPLANE? That is what the S-100 bus was in the 1970s. Slide on circuit board out. Put in a new one. Don't buy a new case and power supply and I/O boards.

[0800Repair]

The consumer and the environment are the losers in the planned obsolescence strategy. Focus on quality products that are readily serviceable. The endless re-purchase cycle also costs you a lot more money!

[romromxy]

Obsolescence owns everyone more fools to be fooled!

[danielawesome]

THAT'S MY MOM'S NAME!

[lironess]

Interesting that she is wearing a shirt with the latest cut, the under the boobs seam. That is another way that they get you, women's clothing. Men's too but not as much.

[karkelkhan]

Story of Stuff = leftwing propaganda

But I agree with 746c, government is way too big and were on the verge of a revolution, with all the debt, taxes and obamacare and shit like that.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan The term "Obamacare" = Republican propaganda. Which you have obviously bought into wholeheartedly. Here in Canada we have lots of taxes, public health care and so on.. And oddly enough we have a much better standard of living than you. We have less crime, we have less poverty.. we have less corruption.

Maybe you need to turn off Fox News...

[karkelkhan]

@yourmanwatson No, I'm a libertarian and against forcefully steal persons hard earned money and redistribute it directly and indirectly to other people that did not earn it.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan Right - so you agree that the people who produce the things you buy should stop having the value of what they produce stolen from them by the companies they work for? See cause when I buy a radio for $15 and the guy who made it earned 25 cents a day or less, then really it's him who's being ripped off in the big picture.

I'll tell you what - how about this? No more taxes - but when the road outside your house gets a pothole in it - you get your lazy ass out there and fix it. Cool?

[karkelkhan]

@yourmanwatson The employer of those people bears the risk of his investment and has way more responsibility and probably works 80 hours a week. If the employees are so fucking poor and shit, why don't they just borrow some fucking money and start their own business? No more taxes means lots of money, so we can buy services from a toll road, which is much more efficient, better services and way cheaper, than if you pay taxes for the roads.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan People who live in a shanty and can't feed themselves properly aren't exactly able to take out a second mortgage. Do you know how ignorant that statement is?

Also - I live in a place where there's several private toll highways... And actually they're a catastrophic failure. See - because of the profit motive, they'll always be trying to cut corners to make a few extra bucks. The roads are shit and the bathrooms at the toll booths stink like piss day and night...

[karkelkhan]

@yourmanwatson There is always a way out of a shanty, just by working and thinking hard, its how the USA for example became the wealthiest country in the world. If there is a real profit motive, they would try to satisfy the costumer, so they would come back. Or your toll roads are so damn cheap, that they don't have the money to give good service. Either way you won, because government roads are expensive and bad service.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan Americas wealth began with slavery. Since Americas illustrious beginnings, they've moved on to directly interfering in the politics of other countries (let's not forget where the Taliban got their start), to market manipulation through The World Bank (watch a movie called Life & Debt), to covert operations in places like Ecuador (on behalf of Chiquita Bananas) ... And all the while conning people like you into believing Amerikkka has anything to do with "free market" economics at all

[karkelkhan]

@yourmanwatson Wow, your coming with totally irrelevant arguments.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan This is boring. I'm done.

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan also regarding the consumers driving quality of the marketplace, if this is the case, then you must really support any and all regulation that seeks to inform consumers on the health risks, chemicals, shady business practices that could inform the consumer to make better choices, and thus drive quality of products in the marketplace. Yet all the pro-business conservatives cry "government red tape" and try to outlaw something that makes capitalism function better. Information. 

[karkelkhan]

@enigmism4life Government regulations/institutions that inform consumers only give a false sense of trust. Consumers are still the best informers, because they have an incentive for it. Government employees are mostly lazy, unskilled and unexperienced workers that most of the time don't even know what the hell they are doing. Peopl blindly trust these fools and buy pure shit. I mean, the banks were highly regulated and shit, but government didn't warn people to not put your lifesavings on them.

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan Totally agree with you about lazy govt workers. But listen, take hydrofracturing for natural gas- these are private companies, who are uncompelled to disclose the chemicals they use to us, nor does it affect the quality of the natural gas, it just miiight poison the water table. But with no records so no accountability. There is literally no other way to compel private companies to share without laws enforced by a govt representing us, for us, by us. We need better govt.

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan and if we were hard on our goverment about actually having our interests in mind instead of the corporations who finance campaigns, they would obviously have an incentive to work for us, since we all have one vote, despite our economic or shareholder status.

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan and the banks were deregulated by gramm-leach-blily and commodity futures modernization act. The security ratings agencies were privatized ( A TOTAL DISASTER, they were paid by the banks who they were rating, no oversight at all) and the sec was stocked with anti-regulators (when two ceo's are in the white house, the government IS business). The Gov totally failed us, but the market clearly did as well, the gov's mistake was deregulation though, lazy faulty regulation.

[yourmanwatson]

@karkelkhan Also - when we're talking about roads. The customer really doesn't have the choice to not come back. What are you going to do? Not leave your house? It's like saying people approve of way food is produced because they keep buying it... That's fundamentally stupid. It's food. What's the alternative? Starve?

[enigmism4life]

@yourmanwatson What do you mean no choice? That's the heart of capitalism! Choice and competition. Like I'm upset that companies are using conflict minerals from africa, essentially funding mass rape by warlords, so I'm going to buy an ethically made phone from my nephew (it's made of two tin cans and a string). And I don't believe in the ecoli spreading, half as nutritious cornfed beef at my supermarket, so I'm going to drive 100 miles to a store with organic! No choice, hah, well I never...

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan no there isn't a way out because of neo-liberalism the man in the shanty often does not own any of the profitable resources in his land, so he has no way into the economy. Cupuacu for example, is a fruit that grows exclusively in the amazon, yet the "patent" on it is owned by japan, so tribal peoples, who have tried to process it, export it, and join the economy are getting cease and desist orders from corporations. I have met and interviewed these people.

[karkelkhan]

@enigmism4life Neo-liberalism has much in common with keynesianism/socialism, it has nothing to do with classical liberalism. Neo-liberalism is a big state with lots of regulations, but with lots of privileges for favored corporations too. And that is the whole problem, don't draw the wrong conclusions. That patent is the opposite of what a deregulated free market world should be. If we go back to a small state, the american dream can be true again and everyone can becom wealthy by hard work.

[enigmism4life]

@karkelkhan Nooooo, neo-liberal foreign policy refers to opening up trade borders to the free market, which hinges on privatized ownership for foreign market goods by foreign corporations. You are talking about Liberals as is defined within the us as left wing. Capitalism hinges on privatization which in turn means the ability to patent. Without patents, then you have collective ownership and socialism. Neo-liberalism is synonymous with spreading global capitalism, in the sense I'm using it.

[22reTOYOTA]

Why does GM the only car company that advertises it service as much as its cars? Mr. Goodwrench brings in multi millions to GM thru planned obslescence.

[746c]

I think it's time to start a revolution. Liberate this country of major corporations and companies, even the government. We aren't far from that day.

[Danza3443]

lol

[PonguigPeopinn]

You people sicken me; if you actually had a problem you would make a company that didn't incorporate planned/perceived obsolescence instead of winging about it.

[robertmacdowell]

And companies that do that tend to go out of business. GM locomotives. Ran so well, were so reliable and so maintainable that the railroads didn't replace them. Amtrak STILL has one of their SW1's, a perfect sized engine for passenger yards.

But if your products are indestructible, once your market's full you can only sell new ones if they are RADICALLY better than the old. What can you improve on a locomotive? Not that much.

[colint92]

In soviet russia, obsolescence plans YOU!

[Fireinthedawn]

holy shit.... WAR on the corps man. ego satisfication must begin WITHIN. ADD ME IF YOU AGREE

[Termin8trix]

Who is the speaker? Is it Annie Leonard? I'm trying to quote her in my essay, due tomorrow. Please reply!

[JakobSaul]

You know how your toothpaste, soap, shampoo and such foam up when you use it?

It foams because of a toxic chemical that is added just so that you feel like it is working well, and it is the same chemical in each and you can make your own, for cheaper, without the chemical.

[korwinblue]

Woooow, they haven't researched how computers work at all.

[Judas666Schrader]

our landfills are being jammed just from throwing out useful stuff. what a disposable age we live in. no wonder mother earth weeps. we should take some notes from the native american indians.

[makavelismith]

Ridiculous ,Pcs CPUs come with a different socket set for a very good reason. they are not the only thing that changes in pcs... go read a book.

[autubelemming]

As a technical matter, you are correct. But you are also missing the point she is trying to convey. Look beyond the words and examples and listen to the message.

[LiamGee10]

@autubelemming I would actually reply to you that the point she is trying to convey is incorrect precisely for the reason maka pointed out. I would argue that this would be more of a case of perceived obsolescence. The computer will still work fine for that which it was designed.

[MonokuroBooHokKan]

The point makavelishmith is making is that, by using a bad example, the video becomes less credible and/or convincing. The lady from the video said, "the piece that changes each year is just a tiny little piece in the corner." Clearly, the words she used to describe the CPU is targeted towards ignorant viewers who assumes that the physical appearance/size of the CPU is of significance. I think the most ignorant remark she made was that you had to replace the entire PC for changing the CPU.

[dingumfCallofDuty]

@autubelemming The message she's trying to convey is we should all be cavemen communists and stick to old technology.

[52453glr]

@autubelemming EXACTLY! people should get their heads out of their asses and not listen to the words of the sheeple but just not think and tell what idiots with tinfoil hats are telling them...

that bitch needs to get her stupid vagina's off the greenscreen and into the kitchen. if you wanna watch something about planned obsolescence you gotta watch "the lightbumb conspiracy" instead of this fat mexican b!tch.

[makavelismith]

@autubelemming I am not missing the very basic point that she is trying to convey, I understand the concept... the example she has used is however ignorant and idiotic. I don't disagree with you.. but the fact that you got 10 thumbs up and i got none says something. The fact that im replying to something that says its 2 years ago (just noticed) also is, as I came here with a recent notifications ! :P

[Papachair]

@makavelismith The terms she is referring to are part of our economy going back much further than computers. However another great example is printers. They actually have printers that have chips that countdown until it's "life cycle" has ended. Then the printer gives you a message that it won't work any more. There are even hacks on the net to give you firmware fixes for this. It's sad that people like you who are intelligent in one sense (PCs) but can't even imagine a basic marketing concept.

[rrwk17]

@Papachair I believe there is a great spanish documentary about printers actually as well as planned obsolescence. It better covers this argument as well as covers printers in detail.

[makavelismith]

@Papachair I can and do understand and agree with this marketting concept (that it exists that is..)! I just found it irritating that somone who is trying to educate people uses such a terribly ignorant and poorly thought out example to 'teach' with.. i used to repair various electrical devices but our shop closed as a result of this 'Planned Obsolescence' as people were throwing away and buying new rather than repairing.. also the interior design became less 'technician friendly' of course..

[makavelismith]

and im not intelligent (in one sense).. I'm intelligent. I could do a far better video than this piece of crap. I'd use better examples for one.. you notice the amount of people who are irritated by the use of stupid examples in an educational video? .. I'm surprised that you didn't pick up on the clash between stupidity and educational video?

[ezealot]

As much as this is trying to convey good information, some of this is painfully stupid. She's as bad as the people she's talking about. When you buy a new computer every two years, it's not just the damn processor that changes; the ram is upgraded, the board it's all sitting on runs faster, the drives that hold the information have higher capacities... but her perception is that only "the little chip in the back changes" and that the computer becomes an impediment after two years.

[mucoff]

However, I CAN see how alot of technology is perceived obsolesence, "oooh!! look shiny new Ipod!... ooooh look slightly shinier newer Ipod! ive totally gotta get that new Ipod even though mine is only a few months old and hasnt even got a scratch on it yet"

[mucoff]

I dont like the way she says technology is design obsolescence.

The part where shes talking about the CPU, thats a load of rubbish, you can keep using your current CPU until it either breaks from overuse or it's is no longer powerfull enough to run modern applications. And new PC technology is usually developed because it has advantages over the old technology. and sometimes new technology demands new architecture and so replacing other components also becomes necessary.

[TungstenOrWolfram]

unless you believe that the newer and faster technology already exists by the time you go out and buy what you think is the newest and fastest.... and that "they" would never think of putting superior technology in the hands of the masses...

but i'm just a paranoid-schizo.

[deathordoom0]

*poke*

Did you make that?

[Mysarek]

Great video! Now only if we can show this to the kiddies.

[autubelemming]

I have heard that some kids have seen this shown at their school. That is good. I guess. I'm sure many more have see one if not all of the Disney High School Musical movies shown at school for educational purposes.

[passerby26]

@autubelemming

Designing things that break down so that you can buy a new one from them actually hurts the company producing the stuff. First, they have to assume the consumer will keep buying their "useless" crap. Second, they have to spend millions in ready made replaceable stock for the thrown-out junk. Third, they have to hope their competitors don't ruin them in the marketplace (which happens all the time). All companies are doing is meeting specific consumer demands.