These 2 ladies come to him saying the need to be freed from their own prison? It would help if they actually knew if it was the right man in the first place since all black men (or niggers in their words) look the same. Nice going ladies. Stay classy.
Anyone, who "knowingly and/or willingly" falsely accuses another person(s) of a crime and has that/those person(s) wrongfully found guilty and sentenced, should receive the same exact sentence (and should be required to serve the FULL sentence) that the court imposed on the later found innocent party. The entire justice system party involved should also be punished, under law. The actual perpetrator(s) involved shall also serve the exact same sentence.
@kolpoc the crime was aggravated rape...he was sentenced to 100 years of hard labor. According to the accused after 20 years he was given all the discovery evidence proves his innocence. In the victims statement she said that she could't identify him because "all n- look the same" The Medical examination turned out that she was a virgin when she was brutally raped. The fact is 100 year hard labor is unconstitutional and that state and all southern judicial systems are just racist,
i really wanna see the updated documentary but i dont have nat geo on direct tv, i watched the first documentry in my humanities class in hs. i think vincent simmons is innocent.
Yes it's a true story, but National Geographic is just another form of media that uses language and images to scare the public. I love the magazine though, great photos, (though now it's full of global warming stuff).
fuck man, I hated that teaser. It turns the whole issue into more than accusor vs. accused. they should have picked a better coupling of people rather than white women victimized by the black man for this doc. I'm sure there was some sort of choice in terms of who they could use.
Speaking from experience, i dont care what the man did, he deserves a fair trial. The system is out to screw us all, i given my time to the state, they can keep it... i didnt like it anyway
I can not possibly understand how you people take the side of this prisoner. Have you stopped to think what he may have done to get this life sentence? Rape, torture, murder...things that normal human beings cannot comprehend.
"OMG IT'S SO MEAN THAT THOSE WOMEN ARE SPEAKING TO HIM LIKE THAT!"
What a sorry bunch of idiots. Try losing a family member, and see if you can forgive the killer.
unless you pay for it !! You are guilty as hell and will be abused by a system of fraudulent corporate rules set up as the law of the constitution ! Go to court and mention the constitution and they will hold you in contemp!! The real law is called U.C.C. or common law ...but we nolonger use this as the bases for our law we are now under corporate jurisdiction and as long as you dont know anything about this truth you are ass out!!! Prison the new modern day slave plantation! enjoy !!!!
I give up on humanity...think I'll go live in a cave somewhere for the rest of my days. And I pray that the mothers of the people who are sympathizing with the prisoner get raped, tortured, and killed. Would love to hear their opinions after that.
@treezX it seems to be easy and simple to become a convicted felon in the south...especially if you are black...the whites commit the crime, the blacks do the time...
@treezX like i said the whites commit the crime and blacks do the time...and for your information i am nor white or black..i am also not in prison..but facts are facts. This man vincent simmons has proof that he is innocent and the supreme court will give him a chance to prove his case. Wow 34 years of prison for a crime he did not commit just because a white person said all blacks look alike...well they don't..
@ARTOFWAR2008 I feel you, but it all depends on one's starting premise. We KNOW for a FACT that there some innocents (however small the number) in jail....even though we obviously don't know who they actually are most times. One can consider that the relatively humane approach theU.S. takes is for the inevitable innocents that human fallibility imprisons, and not so much or the guilty. Just a perspective.
damn i dont know what that guy did but those women are saying we suffer so much but i feel dat he has been suffering more idk but i dont think is right to go make some one feel bad hes already in pain and he might be innocent
if he is innocent.... then the words from these woman will not sting. if he is guilty , why is it wrong to forgive an inmate. it would squelch the fire in my heart if i had forgiveness. think, ....think.
well yeah because where taught to punish and hurt ppl i know its hard to forgive but it doesnt help him forgive it helps you. what ever he did it didnt only destroy the life of the victim but also his why would you lower down to his level and go visit him he is suffering and paying for what he did already and he will suffer for the rest of his life even if hes innocent it will sting him that those women are their
you never know if he is innocent or not but that men is already paying for what he did if he did do something they dont need to go and make themselves look bad and lower down to his level
ok obviously he is guilty..his only complaint was that he was denied his right to a fair trial..he didnt say he didnt do it like you would expect an innocent man to say
he also had obtained evidence of what the women said "all niggers look alike" to be precise- and one of them was not raped proven by a rape kit. the big fat parole officers seen in full version were racist pigs. also, it costs these men thousands out of their own pocket to get the info needed. watch the whole thing. very interesting.
what what good does it make that they go and tell off the guy hes already paying for what he has donne it only affects the women by going there and showing they still have hate and anger in their life
you think hes paying for what hes done? you think his sentence makes things "even"? do you even know what that guy did? im so tired of people sympathizing with the CONVICT and not the VICTIM!
i dont sympathize him but its real easy to judge someone when you dont know how life is in jail your know how its like to have a family memeber in jail you realize that ppl in jail actually suffer and dont live a happy life they are actually paying for what they did ofcoarse what they did will never equal but they are not living a happy life i will assure you of dat and everyday they think of what they did
@treezX that "victim" could not identify her perpetrator, that racist bitch said all niggers look the same and she couldnt identify him...what the fuck happened to rape kits and dna evidence...turns out she was a virgin after being brutally raped according to medical evaluation.
I didn't like those women right from the moment I saw them...which is bad, but I can't really deny it.
How are they SO damned sure he did it? Especially given the fact that he (apparently) wasn't given a fair trial?
They need to get their heads out of their own asses and realize that there are wider beliefs and realities than those they construct for themselves. Because really, they could just as easily be right about things as they could be wrong.
This is not about race. It's about pain and forgiveness. With all the pain white people have put on the entire world, do you really feel any justice in such hateful words? Quit blaming others for the world's troubles and humble yourselves. Love each other, for goodness sake!
I was saying something specific, to someone who was putting down Black people, everyone is capable of causing pain and THAT was my point. When I said "stop blaming others fo your troubles", I was talking to everyone. Sorry for the confusion. Honestly, I'm not against any one people. I'm just sick of the N word. But I'm also sick of "cracker" jokes. I'm not blaming any one race in particular.
i dont get what ur saying but thats what i think everyone always gets in the side of the victims and no one thinks and get in the other side until u have someone in prison their also humans and ppl make huge mistakes everyday and their paying for it by being in jail because jail is not a walk in the park u pay for what ever you did their. its not like if hes the spawn of the devil
well i totally didnt get that i just got a guy who ruin his life for doing what ever he did and that he is paying enought for what he did jail is no a walk in the park and ppl do actually pay for what they did when their in there
after watching the whole documentary, i can say with true conviction he is absolutely innocent. there is too much evidence that those fat racist parole board men didn't even listen to or look at. one of the girls was still a virgin and the other said all niggers look alike and just picked him. amongst other stuff. i believe him. if he is just convincing himself, he did a great job convincing me. it is like scottsboro all over again
well true dat their comes a point where ppl just start to believe their not guilty when they are but i didnt say he was innocent i just said he was already paying for what he did and dat it actually hurts those women more to fill their life with hate his already paying for what he did
Do you know what the definition for a nigger is because he didn't SOUND like one. I'm not saying you don't know what a nigger is and I'm not trying to be mean I'm just trying to clarify your comment.
"gogreeneyes" No need to sugar coat it, I already see who you are....And the one that makes no sense is the one who reads it...."YOU" Only the uneducated will never understand, "YOU" The street hood.....Also? Why don't you explain to me "since you know what a nigger is" educate me ?
what if they raped your grandmother and girlfriend, killed your whole family, stole ur money and pokemon cards, and took your xbox 360 with the HD cable? would you still forgive?
Wow they sit right there and look at him yet still won't admit their lies. Kudos for uploading.
daveyork0 2 weeks ago
These 2 ladies come to him saying the need to be freed from their own prison? It would help if they actually knew if it was the right man in the first place since all black men (or niggers in their words) look the same. Nice going ladies. Stay classy.
nuclearpowertest 2 weeks ago in playlist The Farm: Life Inside Angola
Anyone, who "knowingly and/or willingly" falsely accuses another person(s) of a crime and has that/those person(s) wrongfully found guilty and sentenced, should receive the same exact sentence (and should be required to serve the FULL sentence) that the court imposed on the later found innocent party. The entire justice system party involved should also be punished, under law. The actual perpetrator(s) involved shall also serve the exact same sentence.
epicjose 2 months ago in playlist The Farm: Life Inside Angola
what was his crime and what's with the non fair trial?
kolpoc 4 months ago
@kolpoc the crime was aggravated rape...he was sentenced to 100 years of hard labor. According to the accused after 20 years he was given all the discovery evidence proves his innocence. In the victims statement she said that she could't identify him because "all n- look the same" The Medical examination turned out that she was a virgin when she was brutally raped. The fact is 100 year hard labor is unconstitutional and that state and all southern judicial systems are just racist,
mydiaz827 2 months ago
@mydiaz827 ok, thx for the answer!
kolpoc 2 months ago
who woulda thought? a nigger in jail!
ccuntmuffinz 5 months ago
shoot the nigger
jetulik 7 months ago
Where can I watch the Full film online? I do not have NGC at home!!
montel111 1 year ago
Sadam Hussein and Idi Amin didn't have crime problems.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
how can those women ask for spiritual peace when then dont have it if they truly had spiritual peace they would have forgiven that men
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
creepy woman is creepy
popolynn2 2 years ago
this is a trailer to batman the death row
1holybladex 2 years ago
THAT DUDE KILLED THERE FAV GOAT.
peeps6901 2 years ago
white bitch is just bitter
rcdelta1 2 years ago
the black was too big for her...
verycoldice2 2 years ago
holy fucking hell, i am sexy
cwxzeng 2 years ago
i really wanna see the updated documentary but i dont have nat geo on direct tv, i watched the first documentry in my humanities class in hs. i think vincent simmons is innocent.
Xebonyeyezx 2 years ago
i dont think the accused gives a dam lol
ghdsfghsghsdhdf 2 years ago
Yes it's a true story, but National Geographic is just another form of media that uses language and images to scare the public. I love the magazine though, great photos, (though now it's full of global warming stuff).
mcglynnpaula8 2 years ago
fuck man, I hated that teaser. It turns the whole issue into more than accusor vs. accused. they should have picked a better coupling of people rather than white women victimized by the black man for this doc. I'm sure there was some sort of choice in terms of who they could use.
mcglynnpaula8 2 years ago
Whoa NG, what's up with the drama look? Where's your 'this-is-a-matter-of-fact' style?
KairiHawkeye 2 years ago
hey guys anyone for tenni....woah
killlagger468 2 years ago
stupid sheep killlagger468
riff287 2 years ago
Speaking from experience, i dont care what the man did, he deserves a fair trial. The system is out to screw us all, i given my time to the state, they can keep it... i didnt like it anyway
DnBplZ 2 years ago 2
I dont care what this guy did. everyone deserves the right to go on trial
Sensoubandit 2 years ago 11
Would you stop making me read questions?
thenameless191993 2 years ago
hell yeah that shits annoying thatts why i gave it two stars
ermac254 2 years ago
long live prisoner !
audiavantveesix 2 years ago
I can not possibly understand how you people take the side of this prisoner. Have you stopped to think what he may have done to get this life sentence? Rape, torture, murder...things that normal human beings cannot comprehend.
"OMG IT'S SO MEAN THAT THOSE WOMEN ARE SPEAKING TO HIM LIKE THAT!"
What a sorry bunch of idiots. Try losing a family member, and see if you can forgive the killer.
EmperorZetta 2 years ago
try being falsly accused and u have to understand racisim still exsists today~!
+ when u go to jail or prison u become a stock in the stock market so is slavery still alive today
thats som food for thought for u
SHEEPLE
riff287 2 years ago
Everything you said was true man.Slavery and racism are still existing and won't stop to exist anytime soon.Sad,so sad :<
Mishakis 2 years ago
those dumb bitches are saying it's hard to get through day by day and they want him to admit
he is in jail for the rest of his life
kenrick4562 2 years ago
ne one here know what the crime was?
hyperkid86 2 years ago
unless you pay for it !! You are guilty as hell and will be abused by a system of fraudulent corporate rules set up as the law of the constitution ! Go to court and mention the constitution and they will hold you in contemp!! The real law is called U.C.C. or common law ...but we nolonger use this as the bases for our law we are now under corporate jurisdiction and as long as you dont know anything about this truth you are ass out!!! Prison the new modern day slave plantation! enjoy !!!!
DjeduDjehuti 2 years ago
REAL fuckin TALK
the government is bullshit the system doesnt work
its a SCAM to take money out your pockets...
if ur a convicted felon on parole, how do u pay parole when jobs dont hire u cuz ur a convicted felon? get the fuck out of here
hvytraffik 2 years ago 2
*shaking my head*
I give up on humanity...think I'll go live in a cave somewhere for the rest of my days. And I pray that the mothers of the people who are sympathizing with the prisoner get raped, tortured, and killed. Would love to hear their opinions after that.
gogreeneyes 2 years ago
hey fuck boy
i rather do everything u just said to YOU personally and see how u feel
fuck boy
hvytraffik 2 years ago
LOL
You sound educated!
Couldn't even understand my point, huh?
Lay off the crack Nigger.
gogreeneyes 2 years ago
lol real fuckin talk love it when retards use that
NejiHyuuga1337 2 years ago
dont become a convicted felon and you wont have to worry about it...simple
treezX 2 years ago
@treezX it seems to be easy and simple to become a convicted felon in the south...especially if you are black...the whites commit the crime, the blacks do the time...
mydiaz827 2 months ago
@mydiaz827 you must blame whites for everything...if you think its whites fault that you cant obey laws and end up in prison
treezX 2 months ago
@treezX like i said the whites commit the crime and blacks do the time...and for your information i am nor white or black..i am also not in prison..but facts are facts. This man vincent simmons has proof that he is innocent and the supreme court will give him a chance to prove his case. Wow 34 years of prison for a crime he did not commit just because a white person said all blacks look alike...well they don't..
mydiaz827 2 months ago
racist?
saibotmark 2 years ago
No one is scared of jail anymore. 3 meals and a bed, and everyone is innocent in jail. the system has failed.
ARTOFWAR2008 2 years ago 7
your so right, they have it good in jail.
metrolady72 2 years ago 3
@ARTOFWAR2008 I feel you, but it all depends on one's starting premise. We KNOW for a FACT that there some innocents (however small the number) in jail....even though we obviously don't know who they actually are most times. One can consider that the relatively humane approach theU.S. takes is for the inevitable innocents that human fallibility imprisons, and not so much or the guilty. Just a perspective.
jagemobe 1 year ago
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mriley858 1 month ago
@mriley858 You think I'm black??? I'm as white as you are.
ARTOFWAR2008 1 month ago
damn i dont know what that guy did but those women are saying we suffer so much but i feel dat he has been suffering more idk but i dont think is right to go make some one feel bad hes already in pain and he might be innocent
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
if he is innocent.... then the words from these woman will not sting. if he is guilty , why is it wrong to forgive an inmate. it would squelch the fire in my heart if i had forgiveness. think, ....think.
jsmith1257 2 years ago
well yeah because where taught to punish and hurt ppl i know its hard to forgive but it doesnt help him forgive it helps you. what ever he did it didnt only destroy the life of the victim but also his why would you lower down to his level and go visit him he is suffering and paying for what he did already and he will suffer for the rest of his life even if hes innocent it will sting him that those women are their
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
are you completely brain dead? you think them making him feel bad is worse than whatever he did to get himself in prison? what a joke
treezX 2 years ago
you never know if he is innocent or not but that men is already paying for what he did if he did do something they dont need to go and make themselves look bad and lower down to his level
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
ok obviously he is guilty..his only complaint was that he was denied his right to a fair trial..he didnt say he didnt do it like you would expect an innocent man to say
treezX 2 years ago
he also had obtained evidence of what the women said "all niggers look alike" to be precise- and one of them was not raped proven by a rape kit. the big fat parole officers seen in full version were racist pigs. also, it costs these men thousands out of their own pocket to get the info needed. watch the whole thing. very interesting.
bcrocker33 2 years ago
you never know i respect your opinion but i didnt see the documentary so i would have to see it to see if i believe if his innocent or not
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
@treezX he said he didnt do it...watch the documentary....
mydiaz827 2 months ago
what what good does it make that they go and tell off the guy hes already paying for what he has donne it only affects the women by going there and showing they still have hate and anger in their life
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
you think hes paying for what hes done? you think his sentence makes things "even"? do you even know what that guy did? im so tired of people sympathizing with the CONVICT and not the VICTIM!
treezX 2 years ago
i dont sympathize him but its real easy to judge someone when you dont know how life is in jail your know how its like to have a family memeber in jail you realize that ppl in jail actually suffer and dont live a happy life they are actually paying for what they did ofcoarse what they did will never equal but they are not living a happy life i will assure you of dat and everyday they think of what they did
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
@treezX that "victim" could not identify her perpetrator, that racist bitch said all niggers look the same and she couldnt identify him...what the fuck happened to rape kits and dna evidence...turns out she was a virgin after being brutally raped according to medical evaluation.
mydiaz827 2 months ago
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Dall5000 2 years ago
you are fucking stupid...the convict agreed to this..turn up your hearing aid and listen at the 30 second mark
treezX 2 years ago
You realize I posted that comment months ago, right?
Dall5000 2 years ago
does it make a difference when you posted it
treezX 2 years ago
It should. So many months go by, I could've changed my opinion.
Dall5000 2 years ago
I would probably bite their nose like Penguin in Batman Returns.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago
... or bite their ear like Mike did in Holyfield-Tyson II.
undiesinabunch 2 years ago
hello again, Mr. Mcfartnuggets
shinigami136 2 years ago
I didn't like those women right from the moment I saw them...which is bad, but I can't really deny it.
How are they SO damned sure he did it? Especially given the fact that he (apparently) wasn't given a fair trial?
They need to get their heads out of their own asses and realize that there are wider beliefs and realities than those they construct for themselves. Because really, they could just as easily be right about things as they could be wrong.
matx33 2 years ago 3
This is not about race. It's about pain and forgiveness. With all the pain white people have put on the entire world, do you really feel any justice in such hateful words? Quit blaming others for the world's troubles and humble yourselves. Love each other, for goodness sake!
xoG3DD0FAB0LUSxo 2 years ago
"With all the pain white people have put on the entire world.........Quit blaming others for the world's troubles and humble yourselves"
LMAO! ! !
I've never heard anyone contradict themslelves as much as you did right there in that idiotic statement.
Well done.
gogreeneyes 2 years ago 7
I was saying something specific, to someone who was putting down Black people, everyone is capable of causing pain and THAT was my point. When I said "stop blaming others fo your troubles", I was talking to everyone. Sorry for the confusion. Honestly, I'm not against any one people. I'm just sick of the N word. But I'm also sick of "cracker" jokes. I'm not blaming any one race in particular.
xoG3DD0FAB0LUSxo 2 years ago
totally agree i feel it was mean that they went and said all those mean stuff to the guy hes already in pain and hes suffering way more than they are
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
what ....the ....fuck...... tell me its some sort of shock comedy you are trying to attempt.
jsmith1257 2 years ago
i dont get what ur saying but thats what i think everyone always gets in the side of the victims and no one thinks and get in the other side until u have someone in prison their also humans and ppl make huge mistakes everyday and their paying for it by being in jail because jail is not a walk in the park u pay for what ever you did their. its not like if hes the spawn of the devil
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
was he trying to say he was innocent ?from this clip i get that. i would like to see the whole thing
bcrocker33 2 years ago
well i totally didnt get that i just got a guy who ruin his life for doing what ever he did and that he is paying enought for what he did jail is no a walk in the park and ppl do actually pay for what they did when their in there
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
after watching the whole documentary, i can say with true conviction he is absolutely innocent. there is too much evidence that those fat racist parole board men didn't even listen to or look at. one of the girls was still a virgin and the other said all niggers look alike and just picked him. amongst other stuff. i believe him. if he is just convincing himself, he did a great job convincing me. it is like scottsboro all over again
bcrocker33 2 years ago
well dat is said if he is innocent and is paying for something he didnt do and ppl outthere come and make him feel like dirt
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
Go to a prison and interview some inmate i guarantee 99% say they are innocent and they are wrongly incarcerated.
Yes some of them are probable right but i wouldnt believe it without some evidence.
lord69z 2 years ago 2
well true dat their comes a point where ppl just start to believe their not guilty when they are but i didnt say he was innocent i just said he was already paying for what he did and dat it actually hurts those women more to fill their life with hate his already paying for what he did
JulieRebu07 2 years ago
the fking subtitles are annoying!!!
upurhoe12321 2 years ago
niggernigger jew jew niggernigger jew
ashtray45 2 years ago
"Racism is ignorant" Uhm... I think not. It comes from stupidity. Everyone here has been through the 7th grade. Am i right?
TheBatchGuy 2 years ago
stupid = ignorant GF
feuchster 2 years ago
People need criminals, they need people like them, so they can point their fucking fingers and say "Thats the bad guy"
HipHopJun 2 years ago 3
Thanks Al.
SocialDeviant77 2 years ago
racism is ignorant, period
headbanger69 2 years ago
listen to the way those crows talked down to him. they make me sick talking down to him
SeasemeStreetz 2 years ago
me too man. me too.
SocialDeviant77 2 years ago
Stop throwing the word nigger around.
In real truth the actuall definition is someone or a race thats inferior to white people.
So dont say thats the definition because ANYONE can be a criminal.
Not just black people.
Dexray0 2 years ago
Their voices are annoying :D
KurosakiUchiha666 2 years ago 4
they look like Catherine tate! lol
theodorbrinch 2 years ago
are the ladies twins??
ExilimPixels 2 years ago
i'm guessing those women still wear shoulder pads 0.o
xEpicsoldier 2 years ago 2
Are they twins?
tartsphere 2 years ago
nat geo doin soap operas now...
drainoftheage369 2 years ago 2
Why was he denied a fair trial?
ninjamitcherz 2 years ago
Because he's black, and live in the crappy USA.
lunei66 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
cause he is a nagger
U8Kamel 2 years ago
Only nigger knows what a nigger is, Guess that means you are one yourself?
NB5BHVL 2 years ago
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That bullshit makes no fucking sense.
We all know what a NIGGER is.
And the person in this vid is definitly a nigger.
Dont try to sugarcoat it and play games.
Youre not fooling anyone.
gogreeneyes 2 years ago
Do you know what the definition for a nigger is because he didn't SOUND like one. I'm not saying you don't know what a nigger is and I'm not trying to be mean I'm just trying to clarify your comment.
TwilightFanatic185 2 years ago
You dont have to SOUND like a Nigger to be a Nigger.
And a Nigger is not just "an ignorant person" if thats where youre getting at. Thats some made up bullshit by people like Sharpton and Jackson.
Anyone with half-a-brain knows what a Nigger is.
Dont be stupid.
gogreeneyes 2 years ago
LMAO @ "Don't be stupid" If anyone knows what stupid is it would be you....People like you make laugh into tears
NB5BHVL 2 years ago
"gogreeneyes" No need to sugar coat it, I already see who you are....And the one that makes no sense is the one who reads it...."YOU" Only the uneducated will never understand, "YOU" The street hood.....Also? Why don't you explain to me "since you know what a nigger is" educate me ?
NB5BHVL 2 years ago
idk, maybe cause theyre like a million others who are also waiting for the same thing
Elitefrr 2 years ago
forgive and kill
aminebi 2 years ago
i wonder wat happened
monsterracerka 2 years ago
i'm guessing he raped her. i dunno
beebop32 2 years ago
i could forgive anyone as long as it wasnt to bad what they did
preaznboy666 2 years ago
Well that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
tartsphere 2 years ago
what if they raped your grandmother and girlfriend, killed your whole family, stole ur money and pokemon cards, and took your xbox 360 with the HD cable? would you still forgive?
U8Kamel 2 years ago
AND THE HD CABLE?!
nope.
xEpicsoldier 2 years ago
i would kill the accuse if i came face to face.
XStreetKingSX 2 years ago
lol the ladies look creepy.... o.O
Elidragonguy 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
First!
LeotopiaGov 2 years ago
who cares
chrisryan8478 2 years ago
who the fuck cares ur not even first btw
Elainerocks12 2 years ago
you care enough to respond
pwd
LeotopiaGov 2 years ago
interesting
wowpaladin10 2 years ago
Good video.
ImbecileMe 2 years ago