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  • every time I come back to a Stockhausen Klavierstuck video I read the comments. and I still have no idea if you guys are being very serious or very sarcastic.

  • I think it is music born from a certain type of autisms. And, the pace?

  • i tried... no thanks

  • So if I play some melodies followed by random timing, will I be genious? :(

  • @dawidphamngoc if you can musically notate what you play before you do it, then yeah...pretty much

  • @dawidphamngoc Only if it has a purpouse and the sound is correspondant to that purpouse. Love and hate are not the only emotions people experience, there are many more complex and unexplainable ones, so, there is also complex and unexplainable music that fits those emotions.

  • That was absolutely stupid. I actually had to listen to Ode to Joy to refresh my mind on what music is. I don't care what you say. That is absolute hell. Where is the beauty?

  • @FordIsBestInTexas Suck my ass.

  • @FordIsBestInTexas

    Hmmmm....like serialism you have to understand that there is an underlying emotion tied to it. That's what this is exploring. Not all emotions are always beautiful. This art is exploring the inner realms of what this performer feels that the composer would like portrayed.

    By the way I think its beautiful :) LOL

  • @FordIsBestInTexas You don't care about what we say, but you forget that we don't care much about what you say either. Do you remember what Steve Allen thought of rock music?

  • in my point of view, this is NOT music. its experimental cascade of tones and accords, but NOT music. btw what about the rhytm??

  • @kloiq

    exactly

  • @kloiq It´s because it is contemporary music, you have to get used to it to enjoy it....

    I'll never get used to it :S

  • @kloiq Suck my ass.

  • isn't this song partially in some really weird time signature (believe it was 142/8)?

  • @NeonFoxLetsPlays Yeah. Every time the repeated chord returns it's in a strange time signature.

  • I love Stocky

  • @sweeny665 I'm going to try them out at least a little now, since after hearing a little of the first Meshuggah song that came up (I already knew some songs by Dream Theater) I'm pretty interested, as well as some other bands that one other person I met today showed me/reminded me of. And really, I'm not sure my "point" really means anything. Stockhausen sounds like noise to most people. And I think I count as a "musician," but I'm not much of one at this point...

  • Please put the sound away of this video =(

  • @Shnatzcke That would render it pointless =/

  • @sweeney665 I was pretty immature then. Everyone uses the "you listen to pop" insult especially when they know that people hate pop to make them mad. You do have pretty good taste, even though I haven't gotten into those kind of bands so far (I get obsessed with anything musical that interests me even slightly at some point.) Different people are supposed to be able to process and enjoy vastly different kinds of music. Everything sounds like random notes to someone out there.

  • @AyumuVanguard i guess now you made a good point ;)...you should try these bands out, it's just that in my opinion you'll like them even more if you are a musician, i hope you are but anyhow you were on a stockhausen video, you'll definitely them even more exciting. ;)

  • @sweeny665 No, this is closer to an actual piece of music. Mathematics experiment? What is that even? This kind of music is sort of like abstract art. You don't listen to it because you want something with a groove beat, you listen to it for how it sounds and feels. If you don't like it, you don't have to bash people who listen to even though you might not understand how other people could like how this sounds as of now. I don't bash people who listen to pop, and I really hate pop.

  • @AyumuVanguard why do i have to listen to pop if i dont like this??i take that as a bash. i enjoy listening to things that are complicated and really hard to figure out like dream theater and meshuggah, but this i just cant stand, and if you asked the composer i bet he'd say it ain't abstract. and dont just assume that i randomly came here after a pop video and started bashing, its mildly insulting you know...

  • @sweeney665 I really don't care what people think about me, and I pick the next option. Next option? The one after the one you wrote. If you wrote another one, the next option would be the one after that. It's a bit hard to write. And there are plenty of people who like this, so I'm a space alien or had severe head trauma with a lot of other people according to what you think (I don't pretend to like stuff because that's a waste of time and life's for enjoying.)

  • @AyumuVanguard yeah sure you dont care, like all of the rest of the people that "enjoy" this music.look i cant tell you what to enjoy or not, but the fact is that this is closer to a mathematics experiment, than an actual piece of music.

  • @sweeney665 This is closer to art (Which is what music should be) than any popular music out there. most popular Musicians and singers today call themselves "artists" but in reality they are just moneymakers, True artists are people like this guy. He's not creating for you or me or money, just for himself and for the fun of it.

  • @stuffedsonic and i see you too have assumed that i am a pop-lover or some guy that knows only of pop and adores and deifies the mtv byproducts....i mean.....WHY??????as i said before i have pretty much accustomed to listening perplex and fucked up theoretically-wise pieces from bands like meshuggah and dream theater and i ENJOYED THEM. but this is what i produce if i just stand in front of my pc screen with a music programm open and push random notes...

  • @sweeney665 How about Transatlantic.

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  • the most bizarre time signature ever. everything about this song is lolworthy

  • Seems this piece is just bang bang bang bang over and over again for the most part. Sorry can't see any artistic merit or derive any pleasure from it at all.

  • I can honestly tell you that I like this piece a lot more than La Campenella, and Stockhausen is one of my favorite composers, much more than Mozart or Rachmaninoff or Liszt. Different people just have different taste. I don't think anyone can thoroughly explain taste yet...

  • @AyumuVanguard ok so 1.u are an alien,2. you had a severe head trauma when you were a kid or 3. you just pretend to like the incomprehensible....it may have a theoretical principle behind it or even a mathematical one that makes it very interesting, but musically speaking,its not interesting at all.Id rather listen to jazz or meshuggah when it comes to such an abstract way of writing.

  • @sweeney665 ...Except that this is music, not science. We can do it however we want and (usually) choose to listen to whatever you want (I'm looking at you, people who play pop in public). So, to everyone who doesn't like this, don't complain, just don't listen to this type of stuff (except maybe if you're curious and just have to know what a song is. But still don't complain once you find out.)

  • @AyumuVanguard Yes i absolutely agree with you, BUT i was told that this man was regarded as one of the most important composers of the 20th century, so as you said,out of curiosity,I looked him up. so i guess my negative cry came as a response to that acclaim of the "one of the greatest composers".because i cant even conceive a comparison of Stock. to Mozart's or Rachmaninoff's or Liszt's etc."greatness"/"importance"..­.can you honestly tell me that you like this piece as much as la campanella?

  • ok i am not trying to be narrow minded here or a jackass but i honestly think this is a load of crap.i laughed at the first chords.vote me down, do whatever you think but music that conveys no emotion, or symmetry (at least a mathematically fucked up one) is not worth listening.maybe this is the quantum physics of music but made in the most wrong way. Bach who was obsessed with counterpoint(say the relativity theory of his era)did it with the utter respect to the average mind=he made it simple

  • He played a wrong note at 4:18,

    He played G# instead of G

  • I enjoyed the piece and enjoyed watching you play it. I don't understand all the technical reasons why I like it, I just do.

  • I enjoyed watching you play it.

  • very interesting =)

  • Stockhausen is my new favorite composer.

  • @IwanttoliveinParis If you liked this, you'll love his Klavierstuck X--there are a few recordings on youtube, I think. Also his electronic works will be very iteresting for you to listen to!

    He is really a wonderful composer, his music is very diverse and have enormous levels of expression...once you get passed the fact that it doesn't sound "normal" you'll be on your way!

  • @jameswiman hi this is "normal" music for me.

  • @pcpablo7 Awesome. More people should give it a chance.

  • Total!

  • impossible....

    this music is impossible to learn by heart...

  • @newFranzFerencLiszt Is that a compliment? An expression of doubt?

  • @jameswiman of course, and also double: 1) for being patient to play this "music" and to learn it by heart.

    You're extremely brave

  • @newFranzFerencLiszt My good man! This is excellent music! I wrote my master's thesis on this work. What Stockhausen is doing in these pages is incredibly interesting! It's not the sound pallet of Liszt--but I find to be a very rich pallet!

    Cheers!

  • @jameswiman

    hahaha I imagine.. I can't understand anything with this

  • @newFranzFerencLiszt Ah! Well, I'm sure you're familiar with how serialism works, yes? The selection of rows from the 12 chromatic tones of the octave--yes?

    Stockhausen's concept of "serialism" is the mediation of extremes. So, his mediation of extremes doesn't necessarily lie only within the tones--but he applies serialism to the form as well.

    This work has to extremes: perodicity (the repeated chord) and aperodicity (everything that's not the repeated chord!).

    con't...

  • @jameswiman These extremes are organized formally throughout the work. We begin in periodicity and end in aperiodicity--and in between these two extremes alternate and superimpose on one another, etc. The interrupt one another, etc.

    We also have the mediation of the octave--the basic tone-row. We also have extremes of dynamic.

    My master's thesis was on this work, if you're interested in reading it, PM me your email address.

  • The palette of Stockhausen,Boulex,Xenakis is the variety,health and sickness of the contemporary world.Good instincts would tell a person not to comment onthat which is not speaking to them.U CANT HEAR OR SEE IT SO SHUT UP! A little history and aesthetics might show you how your armchair listening is holding you from taking in a bigger world.The scary,unusual a-traditional beauties of NOW!!!

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  • interesting timbres and overtones

  • I love Stockhausen and people who recognize the real value of Music.

  • And these people are allowed to vote .. we're all doomed.

  • In other words, to listen to this sort of music requires "different ears," so to speak.

    This is not to say "you're listening wrong!!" by any means. You are listening quite correctly. This is a different sort of music than most people are accustomed to--some people grow to like it, some people don't, some people never try and I think it's perfectly fine to be in any of those categories.

    My only assertion would be: there are many interesting things to hear in this music, but it takes time.

  • Thanks for your comment. I can certainly appreciate your point and I can agree with you in certain ways.

    You're final point, "music's immanent function," is indeed one of the central questions of this sort of music.

    If you're listening for regular rhythms, consonant harmonies and vocal melodies then you won't find much for your ear to hang onto.

    There are interesting organizational principles at work here, though--most of them are central to Stockhausen's aesthetic approach.

  • I think Stockhausen is a step too far for me I'm afraid.

  • It looks like if ppl gets offended when they are not the target of a certain composition.

  • that's art.

  • i don't get it. to save my life i don't get it!

  • Why do you imagine that music must be "got"? Just listen. The question is, how does the sound affect you?

  • ok, i listened to it again.

    this time i turned it up and closed my eyes.

    the feeling i got was unsettling, annoyed and unpleasant.

    then i opened my eyes at the 2 minute mark and i felt like this was some pretentious drama club student.

    again, i don't get it. so if this is to be felt, then the feeling is yuck. right? the idea is to evoke an emotion from the listener and the target emotion is yuck. if that's the case, i got it.

  • But yr still talking about "getting it" and what the "target" emotion is. There's nothing to get, and who cares what the target emotion is?

    If you don't like it, I don't care. I'm not looking for converts to this music. I'm just commenting on the way you talk about music, which is non-musical, IMO, and misunderstands what music is.

  • ok so what is music then?

    right not - to me, it's like this:

    a man walks on stage and stars talking. but as you listen it's just gibberish with intonations. I say I don't understand what he's saying, but you are talking about how it feels to hear him. I say, well, it seems like he's yelling, but, when we listen to people speaking, we are eager to pick up a message from what they are saying. the intonations alone are supporting the message, not the message itself...

  • The purpose of music IS to evoke emotions though... If it is not meant to do that, its not music. I mean, if the purpose of food is to nourish our bodies and help us survive, what if someone came along with a piece of food that was edible, but had no taste or nourishment? Whats the point? To say music should not be defined as having patterns and evoking emotions, is the same as saying food does not need to nourish or even be good for us. You could say Bleach or tinfoil is food, its illogical.

  • Music should always evoke emotions...the emotion usually evoked by music is a sense of aesthetic awe (a "groove"), a kind of profound spiritual contentment. I didn't say music should not evoke emotions. I said it doesn't matter what the "target" emotion is, only what emotion it inspires in you. Ppl seem obsessed with "getting" it...like music is a joke or a math problem. That's nonsense. Just listen! And closely! If you don't end up liking it, move on. Life is short.

  • @TheEarthAbides

    This type of music is a reaction against the ideals of the Nazi's (Strauss, Mozart etc (tonal music)) and also they tried to express the feeling that the cultural world had gotten from the wars.

  • Eerie....

  • A very impressive performance of a timeless work! I really don't hear any bad results over your pedaling. I think the resultant of the entire work is quite wonderful - Great Job!

  • Bonne série ! aprés comme toute nouvel serie il faut que l'ambiance prenne ! mais trés bien !Il faudrait faire un minimum de pub !

  • Thanks much! I was pleased with most of this--my biggest regret was the pedal. It mgiht have been a mechanical thing...or my foot might have caught both the middle and damper and lifted them all...who knows. I didn't get the chance to run this entire piece on this piano so...better circumstances, yes, I've played it better than this.

    Thanks for listening and thanks for your comments!

  • Heard some, but haven't checked for all instances of your "composing" (end pages?), but that particular problem is not serious in your playing. Interesting how wrong notes often stand out for their consonance in Stockhausen! Shame about the pedal. Mechanical problem?If so, too bad it couldn't wait til the final 2 pages! Still, a noble effort. One feels that you can give a fine performance of this piece under better conditions, as most of what you have here is indeed very, very good! Bravo!

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