I'm really dissatisfied with how Morrow played against Jinro. Jinro, known for his macro play gets baneling busted for Morrow's two victories..Does Morrow deserve this victory? I don't think so..
@Bertonious "He knows that Jinro is the better player"
Jinro's been in GSL and is very very skilled, but he has a lot more fans than MorroW and MorroW has switched race (and is now zerg :P).
I don't give a stuff what sh**heads in this chat might think, but you're not right to just assume Jinro's better as simply as that and assuming MorroW thinks so and acted entirely based on this is just ignorant.
MorroW MUCH MUCH prefers macro games and they both plan and strategise a lot.
I thought this game was epic to be honest. I takes alot of balls to do that in a sudden death game against someone of that stature in a major tournament. This swarm type play some of the zergs are doing now is great to watch.
wow i fucking hate morrow. i love how he tries the SAME baneling bust 3 games in a row. jinro got lucky on the 2nd game and held it. what a faggot player, thats the only way he can win
@flectz Yes, apparently having to spread creep over territory much more slowly and making third bases more accessible for terran is imbalanced in a zerg's favour. NOT!
The GSL maps are definitely not helping zerg as much as weirdos would have you believe.
They just happen to not be complete crap like Delta Quadrant, Backwater Gulch and Slag Pits.
@GrouEEf You must be sick in the head if you think that. You're the only terran player ive ever seen say the were not just OP, but actually the WEAKEST race. Really? Really?!
@GrouEEf If you want to see what the experts think...Try the patche notes. Last 5 have nerfed terran in some way. So its a recognised problem by Blizzard in so far as they made Terran too strong when the game was first released for the terran campaign storyline....Its stil fucking insane the amount of options terran have.
in the recent patch protoss got nerved a huge bit.
did you ever think about why no terran player ever won the GSL? look at oGs.MC, he´s a good player but he´s a retard tbh when you compare him to players like MarineKingPrime, NaDa and Fruitdealer etc. etc.
i´m a Protoss player and even i gotta admit that toss temp drops were way 2 powerful.
Fruitdealer is good but inconsistent and NaDa will probably be the best of those in future.
Saying MC is a 'retard' compared to MKP is just stupid. Do you think saying so validates your supposedly well-informed judgement?
On an aside, storm drops were fantastic in BW and Amulet was researched AFTER Psi Storm 99% of the time because the the initial energy was only boosted to 62.
Protosses are asking too much to be able to warp-in storm-ready templar with a warp prism in 3.6 seconds.
@Endelite you´re comlpetely right here, the storm drops were stupidly overpowered imo, you could drop multiple bases with just one warpprism, dropping the templar, storming the f*** out of the workers.
i just dislike MC for some reason, i know his timings are near perfect but he just plays.... like nothing special.
@GrouEEf Instead of asking me to 'learn how to play' like a fucking 7 year old (you don't even know what level I'm at), or what race I play, face the facts, Terran is the most popular for good reason. Other tournaments (yes there exist tournys outside the GSL elite level) usally have a very good showing by terran, including the TSL so far, this game aside. SO basically even after 5 pathces nerfing terran, they are NOT te wekest race, you fucking troll. What a stupid comment to make.
@GrouEEf Finally willing to admit something was up with terran huh? IMO terran is still overpowered to a degree, and that'll be reflected in the next patch which will nerf terran again. Wanna bet? Of course not, you're a dogmatic idiot. If you were honest, you would say zerg are the weakest race but you like being a contrarian troll.
@GrouEEf The game is definietly a lot better balanced than say, 4 months ago. Still has a bit to go. Nerfing stim was a good step. Steppes of war was a terran deathtrap for siege tanks. I dont know what you're talking about. Macro maps depend a lot on your style. Instant expands like Jinro in the video above are risky and are easily punished. If terran play conservative (and most do), I see now reason why they cant planetary fortress and mule up to dominate opponents.
@mmeister7 nerfig stim delays the early aggression, on the old maps this might´ve been a great thing but on the gsl maps it delays the terran push soo much that the early aggression is too late in most cases.
btw- lategame zerg / toss >> terran late by far.
i don´t struggle with tvp anymore since i could storm the sh*t outa bioheavy compositions that most terrans in the dia play. glad i switched races. btw: 1 scan costs 300 mins. just wanted to say since many ppl say u could scan the map s terra
@GrouEEf Nerfing stim made a lot of sense to me. Its a choice now, whether to go defenseive and get shields/expand or get stim and be aggressive. Brings more strategy into it (it is a strategy game after all). Before, terrans got the best of both worlds. As for storms, I have to say, they're easily avoided with micro. I can understand strom drops being op, not storm in general which hardly any of the pros use. As for scans costing 300, just goes to show how crazy mules are in the first place.
@mmeister7 mules are required to keep the terran economy up. it is the only way to not fall behind too far against the makro races toss and especially zerg.
i don´t know what race u play but i see that you never tried playing terran. i gotta admit, i´m not pro by any means, my apm is around 170 (part of it cause i played BW -> zerg that was) and i just can´t micro 14 attackgroups marines against blings that just gotta a-click.
toss is way easier, make a ball and keep awareness up.
@GrouEEf@GrouEEf Well,game was a released with a terran campaign so EVERYONE has played terran at some point. Mules are OP. Its 300 minerals per mule, only zerg can get an eco boost that quick if they sacrifce. Strange saying toss micro is easier. Basicaly terrans need to find chokepoints, stim + scoot and shoot now and again. If its mech play, you do even less. I would have thought toss used most micro - forcefields, blink, feedback/storm etc. Don't know your style, must be ineffiecent.
@mmeister7 mules aren´t op and seriously, you gotta calm down, fool.
u just seem to fail against terran, that´s why u whine. when i was T i had huge problems vs zerg and an ok time vs toss. i play a makrobased style, that´s why i wasn´t a good terran player i guess. i was mid dia before the masters league was introduced, now i play toss in the same league, same lvl but i play just 3-4 games a week. toss is way more inuitive for me.
and mules aren´t op since you gotta scan now and then anyway.
@GrouEEf I don't fail against terran. Because I play terran. Well mostly lol (TVT can be cat and mouse). I'm a bit of a terran lamer. But I'm not complaining about the patches as you can tell. Obviosuly if you play toss and think its less micro intensive than terran, then yeah, youre macro terran style was explains that. If youre agressive early on (with stim in the older pathches) you could afford to basically go all in and still survive o mules if it failed. Thats why they're op to me IMO.
@flectz So he's a faggot because he went for a lot of army against greedy terran play (like a bunker rush against 14 hatch except that a zerg actually needs the second base sooner than the terran) and because he used a lot of "tier 1" and "tier 1.5" units called zerglings and banelings (like marines and marauders)?
Indeed, you are dull in the head. If you watched his games you'd know he prefers macro style. He's also smart enough to punish greedy BS from other races when give the opportunity.
@Endelite zerg players are hilarious. apparently if terrans go for 1 base strats or gay timing pushes you complain. now jinro is doing a fast expand - much like a zerg, and you're calling it "greedy terran BS". Is it possible for zergs to qq any harder? it's fucking amazing
These games remind me of the ace v moon best of 5, i dont get why jinro did the same fucking build when he lost beacause of it in his first game. He could of atleast countered the banelings or stop the scout
Just looked like jinro was cutting corners, i see now koreans when they do that terran build they have a gap behind the raxes, and 2 bunkers spread, and that's just enough to stop it
@usiruf because banelings aren´t the counter against those. so think before you troll. mutas (magicboxed) rape terran mech. so do lings. tvz is such a hard matchup for a terran to play. good thing i´m toss. lol.
baneling busts are definitely very strong, and since morrow was able to match or even exceed drone count vs jinro's scv do tell us something
even if morrow had not won the game, breaking down 2 rax (1st atk) then another 2 rax (2nd attack) will deal significant damange to jinro's production, and that disadvantage will get carried over to mid and late games, and this is a no brainer since barracks are the best building to wall in with
And I respect that Jinro has balls for going 14CC builds but its just not going to work on every map against every player. Jinro is an excellent player who deserves respect but Morrow is too. Against a player like EG.Idra who likes to sit back and macro himself the 14CC is excellent at exploiting that and we all saw him destroy one of the best macro zergs with that build. GG
It's a very big risk for Terran to FE. If he'd had tanks, he could have stopped those banelings. Why is it imbalanced that terran can't defend his FE? That's completely balanced. That's how the game is supposed to work.
Wow have you people heard about the thing called spoilers? You are really dumbass idiots! and cry about banelings... fuck if you dont like banelings, play zerg and make them and stop crying!
@RebelLittlezero I think the people who QQ about Zerg are the ones who see every tournament top16 in the last year being 8 protoss, 7 terran, and 1 zerg
@shmee51 I like that Zerg is a little harder to play, but I think with the recent changes to storm and infestors, that number should even out a little.
Morrow played his games using the JulyZerg strategy of uber aggression. And it works really really well against Terran and Protoss FE. And if you don't know who JulyZerg is then don't bother to comment.
Stop QQing about Banelings. He could have held that off if he didnt expand. I know this because it's happened to me when I was, he could have reduced the Banelings by throwing a few marines at them 1 at a time if he actually scouted it the second time. Also him running all his drones over to the Banelings wasn't exactly the best idea...
@ouprl Why? It's actually the same attack as normal, it just deals 80 damage (+5 per mêlée upgrade) against buildings. The Target Structure ability only forces banelings not to intentionally detonate (attack) on enemy units, just on buildings or by being killed.
If they target a unit but are near a building, full vs-building splash damage is dealt.
If they target a building but are near units, full vs-unit splash damage is dealt.
Light units take additional damage. Not enigmatic at all. :D
Now come guys, don't banelings seem a little imbalanced? You have to have a godly micro to own them and not even a wall of barracks can stop them. WTF? I think the damage dealt to buildings by banelings should be reduced.
Personally I really struggle fighting them in my own games. I'm not Jinro, so one bane owns 5 marines. That certainly seems too much IMHO. What do you guys think?
@MartinRmoutil Completely agree with you. Banelings are way out of balance, reducing the damage or increase of the gas price might look. It is obvious that 2 out of 3 games were owned by banelings and no micro or macro could stopped this acid wall.
@MajinVegeto89 Wasn't an all-in, Morrow had more drones than Jinro did. Jinro only had marines. Although marines own everything in the late game, they are no match for banelings and zergling in the early game, especially without stim.
wow..baneling splas radius needs to be nerfed..those were fuckiong buildings...A nuke that has about 1000 mins and gas invested doesn't even do 1/4 of the damage 12 banelings do...wow
@jkuess but nukes are a larger investment because of all the buildings needed to make a nuke and ghost cloak and energy = not worth it..banelings are too strong
@jkuess You know ghosts and ghost academy and cloak all need to go into the cost of nukes. Comparing nukes and ghosts is ridiculous. Also how long does it take for a nuke to come down?
@jkuess there was no beauty whatsoever in anything. morrow just went bling bust once more because he is aware that this is the only way to beat godlike Jinro. the true skill gap between the two was displayed in game 2 where jinro using his awesome micro and harass was 50-60 food against his opponent in the mid game. what a retard morrow is..
@shaman6ix In game 2 Jinro went 2 rax bunker rush because he's too stubborn in his marcro game to hold off Morrows banelings. If terran goes 14CC don't QQ when you lose to a zerg timing attack. Morrow went banelings AFTER scouting the 14CC, not before. Also Morrow is no newbie, he beat Jinro with a very well timed attack, he had just enough gas for 13 banelings which is exactly how many it takes to kill a barracks. If Jinro went 1rax FE he would have had been able to hold it off.
@jkuess youre missing the point. Jinro is 2 time Code-S semi-finalist training and competing with the best of the best when Morrow is just another good european player. i dont 'hate' morrow, i was just disgusted by the fact that he won 2 games using a skill-less baneling bust technic. and guess what.. i am not qqing nor talking about balance here as i dont play terran or zerg. i just said my opinion about the entertainment value of these matches. if game 2 got a 9/10, games 1 and 3 got a solid 3
@DestroManiak Right because nuking an expansion full of drones won't win you the game. My post was not unintelligent, of course I would rather have banelings than nukes, I was just trying to point out the idiot who said nukes cost 1000 minerals which is absurd.
did anyone else notice at 3:51 that MorroW faked sending a drone to take the third expansion while Jinro was scouting? It's all mind games at this level
@utkua: Yeah, tanks are the way to go, especially since the banelings will be clumped together, making them more prone to tanks. I think the real mistake here is lack of active scouting in Jinro's part. He had some economic advantage; even a timing scan would have enabled him to have an idea that a bust was coming, and he could have used that factory to switch to tanks.
How so many idiots in the comment section. Going for a fast expo against zerg. Since BW that meant that you're taking a huge risk since zerg could just rush you down and if your wall didn't hold automatic GG. Jinro wasn't smart going for another fast expo, it meant he had no marauders to fight against a baneling all in. 3 rax just building marines, I am sorry but Morrow played that well going banelings.
@TimBioSS you get tanks, you can get at least 2 tanks by 6-7 minute mark. and you have to scan by 5 to see if there are any banelings on the way, walls only work for early 3 minutes. you can not rely on them after that.
i like how pepel talke smack and think they contributing twards so so losing and sos o winning when they have nothign to do it and then after that htey go and brag that so so lost even thought htye proably suck at sc2 sooo lets just all get along and enjoy great machtes
@ppshchik Punishing a Terran for going command center first is not cheese. There are 2 things you can do (in ANY matchup) when your opponent fast expands: you can try to punish him, or you can try your best to match his macro. Morrow chose to punish Jinro for being extremely greedy. It is not the same as 4gating every game.
@ppshchik If he wishes to abuse Blizzard's ideas of game balance and what makes for interesting play, let him. He's a skilled player who plays mostly macro games and much prefers them, but if an opponent does something too greedy or risky, he'll happily respond with aggressive play, it's fair enough. Learn about him before judging.
Everyone who hates on Morrow's baneling bust is being ridiculous. The same way Terrans like Jinro try to stop a Zerg fast expansion with a 2-rax bunker rush, there is no way Morrow should allow Jinro to go CC first. That's an extremely economically greedy build and if Jinro should hold against an early rush, there is almost no way Morrow can catch up. He has only two options, which are either double expand to 3 bases and be extremely reactionary or to punish the Terran for being greedy.
husky would have said something insightful this series except he had jinro's dick in his mouth all three games, jinro is a good player but dam too much dick riding going on give the zerg the credit he deserves!
I'm not a Jinro fan. I just like watching games. However, what I've seen with the banelings. Wow, they seem kind of op. The expense and timing is so fast with them that a terran player can't have the units to stop a baneling bust effectively without suffering massive damage in structures, units, and probably even harvesters. I've heard bling busts put a zerg behind, but I think that is not true. It is like cannon rushes. It puts the other player in a bad position and not the other way around.
@LordGilgamesh01 Nope, I think it's just Jinro who went all with an early command center and thus have less units(marauders esp) to defend against the push. Also, his wall consists of barracks which out positions the marines for behind the wall attacks.
@Extelis what other way than rax you suggest anyway? He is a pro, I'm sure he knows the possible best moves. Maybe not all of them but he would probably have practiced for those bling busts bc he knows Morrow is famed for his bling busts. I was just saying how bling busts are so effective they can come off very well. However, someone would have to do it right, just like the cannon rushes.
I think that might be Hot_Bid in the backround :D
njal2 9 months ago
Nice fake 3rd by morrow at 3:50, the SCV saw it heading towards the expansion just as it got in.
TheRabidDeer 10 months ago 3
@TheRabidDeer Didn't even notice, thats some nice mind trickery lol
IsokineticCannon 7 months ago
''I swear to god, im gonna die'' LOOOOOOL cant stop laughing hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahha
Lingpwns 10 months ago
I dont like the add of banelings on sc2, I hope they quit them in the future expansions
WhoIamisIamwhois 10 months ago
I'm really dissatisfied with how Morrow played against Jinro. Jinro, known for his macro play gets baneling busted for Morrow's two victories..Does Morrow deserve this victory? I don't think so..
BakaNP 10 months ago
@BakaNP he countered jinro. nuff said
Stefan773 9 months ago
GG'EEEEE < lol mini wheat
MaXn00bPwneR 10 months ago
I wonder why Jinro did the same build when he had seen that super baneling bust, it seems like Morrow prepared that just for this match.
kavugnarr 10 months ago
1:20 "help me".
This video is haunted.
Avelqual 10 months ago 17
@Avelqual Nice catch lol
NactSuht 10 months ago
@Avelqual
Jesus Christ D:
Fablezzz 10 months ago
@Avelqual i replayed it 20 times and still do not hear it!
InfernoX17 10 months ago
@Avelqual Also, baby crying @8.22
majabuu 10 months ago
@majabuu That is the GG button
crazystupid0 10 months ago
@majabuu nope, that's just: watch?v=y1x_jq1YTBA
roryrog 9 months ago
@Avelqual dude i heard that 1:20 that shit creeps me off
droga187 9 months ago
wow did morrow rly hatch first every game? respect.
theabyscalls 10 months ago
@Bertonious "He knows that Jinro is the better player"
Jinro's been in GSL and is very very skilled, but he has a lot more fans than MorroW and MorroW has switched race (and is now zerg :P).
I don't give a stuff what sh**heads in this chat might think, but you're not right to just assume Jinro's better as simply as that and assuming MorroW thinks so and acted entirely based on this is just ignorant.
MorroW MUCH MUCH prefers macro games and they both plan and strategise a lot.
Endelite 11 months ago
I thought this game was epic to be honest. I takes alot of balls to do that in a sudden death game against someone of that stature in a major tournament. This swarm type play some of the zergs are doing now is great to watch.
mmeister7 11 months ago
06:39
So Husky is still alive?
acidbasesalt 11 months ago
It's so gratifying to see greedy Terrans get decimated. Seeing them 14 CC and then complain about getting baneling busted is hilarious. :)
aoeiifreak 11 months ago
@aoeiifreak the 14 hatch bunker rush is just wrong because its not greedy at all.
We're allowed to complain about that
Likeafox101 11 months ago
People whining about morrow using a bust...no shit, jinro keeps walling up everygame, and trying to mech up...why wouldnt he want to bust?
mangledmonkey 11 months ago
wow i fucking hate morrow. i love how he tries the SAME baneling bust 3 games in a row. jinro got lucky on the 2nd game and held it. what a faggot player, thats the only way he can win
flectz 11 months ago
@flectz lolumad?
likemy 11 months ago
@flectz he wouldn't have done it if jinro hadnt gone 3 raxes early has he did each time you idiot...
SpectacularCheese 11 months ago
@SpectacularCheese he opened 2rax 2nd game dumbo
flectz 11 months ago
@flectz its the only way zerg wins. to cheese. terran is overpowered by a huge margin.
ryan180294 11 months ago
@ryan180294 you obviously havent been keeping up with the game. terran isnt overpowered, rofl, especially on the gsl maps.
flectz 11 months ago
@flectz Yes, apparently having to spread creep over territory much more slowly and making third bases more accessible for terran is imbalanced in a zerg's favour. NOT!
The GSL maps are definitely not helping zerg as much as weirdos would have you believe.
They just happen to not be complete crap like Delta Quadrant, Backwater Gulch and Slag Pits.
Endelite 11 months ago
@ryan180294 learn to play first, comment after. terran´s the weakest race right now. just as it was in good ol´ broodwar.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf You must be sick in the head if you think that. You're the only terran player ive ever seen say the were not just OP, but actually the WEAKEST race. Really? Really?!
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 you must be sick to never read any thread in the TL forums.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf If you want to see what the experts think...Try the patche notes. Last 5 have nerfed terran in some way. So its a recognised problem by Blizzard in so far as they made Terran too strong when the game was first released for the terran campaign storyline....Its stil fucking insane the amount of options terran have.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 stop whining because u can´t play.
in the recent patch protoss got nerved a huge bit.
did you ever think about why no terran player ever won the GSL? look at oGs.MC, he´s a good player but he´s a retard tbh when you compare him to players like MarineKingPrime, NaDa and Fruitdealer etc. etc.
i´m a Protoss player and even i gotta admit that toss temp drops were way 2 powerful.
learn to play, comment after.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf
Fruitdealer is good but inconsistent and NaDa will probably be the best of those in future.
Saying MC is a 'retard' compared to MKP is just stupid. Do you think saying so validates your supposedly well-informed judgement?
On an aside, storm drops were fantastic in BW and Amulet was researched AFTER Psi Storm 99% of the time because the the initial energy was only boosted to 62.
Protosses are asking too much to be able to warp-in storm-ready templar with a warp prism in 3.6 seconds.
Endelite 11 months ago
@Endelite you´re comlpetely right here, the storm drops were stupidly overpowered imo, you could drop multiple bases with just one warpprism, dropping the templar, storming the f*** out of the workers.
i just dislike MC for some reason, i know his timings are near perfect but he just plays.... like nothing special.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf Instead of asking me to 'learn how to play' like a fucking 7 year old (you don't even know what level I'm at), or what race I play, face the facts, Terran is the most popular for good reason. Other tournaments (yes there exist tournys outside the GSL elite level) usally have a very good showing by terran, including the TSL so far, this game aside. SO basically even after 5 pathces nerfing terran, they are NOT te wekest race, you fucking troll. What a stupid comment to make.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 i can predict that you aren´t above gold since ur comments just show that you got no clue of the game atm.
you said it yourself, terran got nerved in multiple patches because terran WAS the strongest and easiest race by far.
so far, so true.
but after the recent patches terran has become the weakest race, just as it has been in BW.
the reason why many players play terran is that terran was overpowered and now they won´t switch their race. simple.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf Finally willing to admit something was up with terran huh? IMO terran is still overpowered to a degree, and that'll be reflected in the next patch which will nerf terran again. Wanna bet? Of course not, you're a dogmatic idiot. If you were honest, you would say zerg are the weakest race but you like being a contrarian troll.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 i´m a dogmatic idiot. not a dog atleast. seems like i´m always an inch ahead of u ^_^
imo the strongest race was toss (which i play) before the amulet got nerved away-
i guess the game is pretty wellbalanced, it all comes down to the maps, not the races imo.
atm the maps strongly favour zerg & toss since they´re big and macrobased.
playing terran requires early pressure.
that´s why i switched to protoss, on maps like steppes of war it was a freewin and on shakuras i was a freewin.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf The game is definietly a lot better balanced than say, 4 months ago. Still has a bit to go. Nerfing stim was a good step. Steppes of war was a terran deathtrap for siege tanks. I dont know what you're talking about. Macro maps depend a lot on your style. Instant expands like Jinro in the video above are risky and are easily punished. If terran play conservative (and most do), I see now reason why they cant planetary fortress and mule up to dominate opponents.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 nerfig stim delays the early aggression, on the old maps this might´ve been a great thing but on the gsl maps it delays the terran push soo much that the early aggression is too late in most cases.
btw- lategame zerg / toss >> terran late by far.
i don´t struggle with tvp anymore since i could storm the sh*t outa bioheavy compositions that most terrans in the dia play. glad i switched races. btw: 1 scan costs 300 mins. just wanted to say since many ppl say u could scan the map s terra
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf Nerfing stim made a lot of sense to me. Its a choice now, whether to go defenseive and get shields/expand or get stim and be aggressive. Brings more strategy into it (it is a strategy game after all). Before, terrans got the best of both worlds. As for storms, I have to say, they're easily avoided with micro. I can understand strom drops being op, not storm in general which hardly any of the pros use. As for scans costing 300, just goes to show how crazy mules are in the first place.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 mules are required to keep the terran economy up. it is the only way to not fall behind too far against the makro races toss and especially zerg.
i don´t know what race u play but i see that you never tried playing terran. i gotta admit, i´m not pro by any means, my apm is around 170 (part of it cause i played BW -> zerg that was) and i just can´t micro 14 attackgroups marines against blings that just gotta a-click.
toss is way easier, make a ball and keep awareness up.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf @GrouEEf Well,game was a released with a terran campaign so EVERYONE has played terran at some point. Mules are OP. Its 300 minerals per mule, only zerg can get an eco boost that quick if they sacrifce. Strange saying toss micro is easier. Basicaly terrans need to find chokepoints, stim + scoot and shoot now and again. If its mech play, you do even less. I would have thought toss used most micro - forcefields, blink, feedback/storm etc. Don't know your style, must be ineffiecent.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 mules aren´t op and seriously, you gotta calm down, fool.
u just seem to fail against terran, that´s why u whine. when i was T i had huge problems vs zerg and an ok time vs toss. i play a makrobased style, that´s why i wasn´t a good terran player i guess. i was mid dia before the masters league was introduced, now i play toss in the same league, same lvl but i play just 3-4 games a week. toss is way more inuitive for me.
and mules aren´t op since you gotta scan now and then anyway.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf I don't fail against terran. Because I play terran. Well mostly lol (TVT can be cat and mouse). I'm a bit of a terran lamer. But I'm not complaining about the patches as you can tell. Obviosuly if you play toss and think its less micro intensive than terran, then yeah, youre macro terran style was explains that. If youre agressive early on (with stim in the older pathches) you could afford to basically go all in and still survive o mules if it failed. Thats why they're op to me IMO.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@mmeister7 guess it´s easy to make your opinion look legit if you say you´d be a terran player- but you can´t prove that one, can you?
i think the balance is fine, it all comes down to the maps. and i´m just not satisfied with the sc2 maps so far. xnc is the only balanced map imo.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
@GrouEEf mules are a huge factor in all in scv rushes, do you see something wrong wtih that
and all in scv rush isnt really all in since you have mules. clearly theres something wrong with that
godishstyle 10 months ago
@godishstyle terran is the only race that is forced to bring scvs over for an attack so would u pls think before u whine?
GrouEEf 10 months ago
@flectz So he's a faggot because he went for a lot of army against greedy terran play (like a bunker rush against 14 hatch except that a zerg actually needs the second base sooner than the terran) and because he used a lot of "tier 1" and "tier 1.5" units called zerglings and banelings (like marines and marauders)?
Indeed, you are dull in the head. If you watched his games you'd know he prefers macro style. He's also smart enough to punish greedy BS from other races when give the opportunity.
Endelite 11 months ago
@Endelite zerg players are hilarious. apparently if terrans go for 1 base strats or gay timing pushes you complain. now jinro is doing a fast expand - much like a zerg, and you're calling it "greedy terran BS". Is it possible for zergs to qq any harder? it's fucking amazing
flectz 11 months ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz morrow
ckyisyourfuture 11 months ago
love
it
man you should make radio satiation just for those how play stfc2 and 1
krnguy22 11 months ago
Why isn't IdrA playing in this?
mustarsic 11 months ago
@mustarsic He is. He plays tomorrow
LolitsPing 11 months ago
if you listen closely, you can hear Psy's "GEEGEE" sound at 8:19
bypd 11 months ago
These games remind me of the ace v moon best of 5, i dont get why jinro did the same fucking build when he lost beacause of it in his first game. He could of atleast countered the banelings or stop the scout
5vasily5 11 months ago
holy crap that was great
A4moondoggy 11 months ago
Oh god I freakin' love it.
Those busts were so boss.
collectivevolution 11 months ago
Just looked like jinro was cutting corners, i see now koreans when they do that terran build they have a gap behind the raxes, and 2 bunkers spread, and that's just enough to stop it
ImDrizzt 11 months ago
beautiful to watch
flamingchen 11 months ago
where are the replays???!?!?
petterxxl 11 months ago
love the intro music and pencil drawings of the players!
grind55 11 months ago
To all terrans crying about banelings: swith to zerg or go mech instead of the most basic and boring MMM. Banelings do nothing against tanks or thors
usiruf 11 months ago
@usiruf because banelings aren´t the counter against those. so think before you troll. mutas (magicboxed) rape terran mech. so do lings. tvz is such a hard matchup for a terran to play. good thing i´m toss. lol.
GrouEEf 11 months ago
baneling busts are definitely very strong, and since morrow was able to match or even exceed drone count vs jinro's scv do tell us something
even if morrow had not won the game, breaking down 2 rax (1st atk) then another 2 rax (2nd attack) will deal significant damange to jinro's production, and that disadvantage will get carried over to mid and late games, and this is a no brainer since barracks are the best building to wall in with
jayyfan 11 months ago
And I respect that Jinro has balls for going 14CC builds but its just not going to work on every map against every player. Jinro is an excellent player who deserves respect but Morrow is too. Against a player like EG.Idra who likes to sit back and macro himself the 14CC is excellent at exploiting that and we all saw him destroy one of the best macro zergs with that build. GG
jkuess 11 months ago
Anybody watch this game becuase of battlenet?
BrockLee92 11 months ago
banneling abuse!
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SrJoSeZ 11 months ago
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SrJoSeZ 11 months ago
It's a very big risk for Terran to FE. If he'd had tanks, he could have stopped those banelings. Why is it imbalanced that terran can't defend his FE? That's completely balanced. That's how the game is supposed to work.
tobacconist 11 months ago
@tobacconist how many tanks you cam make in 8 ingame minutes? At most one, impossible to stop this acid wall!
lazaraza 11 months ago
I believe this is the very first strat that Terran has to adapt vs a Zerg rather than the other way round.
7Losses 11 months ago
Wow have you people heard about the thing called spoilers? You are really dumbass idiots! and cry about banelings... fuck if you dont like banelings, play zerg and make them and stop crying!
woreyour 11 months ago
Anyone who is QQing about Zerg and the banelings must not play Zerg. These matches gave me a zergasim.
RebelLittlezero 11 months ago 8
@RebelLittlezero I think the people who QQ about Zerg are the ones who see every tournament top16 in the last year being 8 protoss, 7 terran, and 1 zerg
shmee51 10 months ago
@shmee51 I like that Zerg is a little harder to play, but I think with the recent changes to storm and infestors, that number should even out a little.
RebelLittlezero 10 months ago
THIS GAME WAS SICK
r3z3nd3 11 months ago
Morrow played his games using the JulyZerg strategy of uber aggression. And it works really really well against Terran and Protoss FE. And if you don't know who JulyZerg is then don't bother to comment.
jkuess 11 months ago
Mouz did the smart thing he was completely outclassed by jinro so he cheesed him. Thats your best chance to beat a superior player
gogatorsfoster1 11 months ago
SVCs**
TheB4LLB4G 11 months ago
Stop QQing about Banelings. He could have held that off if he didnt expand. I know this because it's happened to me when I was, he could have reduced the Banelings by throwing a few marines at them 1 at a time if he actually scouted it the second time. Also him running all his drones over to the Banelings wasn't exactly the best idea...
TheB4LLB4G 11 months ago 2
man you all need to stop crying so much, go suck jinro's dick imbalanced imbalanced imbalanced
SvennemanZZZ 11 months ago 2
Fucking bullshit, he won by doing nothing
FrayztheUsher1 11 months ago
@FrayztheUsher1 are you kidding me
Korianne75 11 months ago
i wonder why banelings do splash when using structure attack??
ouprl 11 months ago
@ouprl Why? It's actually the same attack as normal, it just deals 80 damage (+5 per mêlée upgrade) against buildings. The Target Structure ability only forces banelings not to intentionally detonate (attack) on enemy units, just on buildings or by being killed.
If they target a unit but are near a building, full vs-building splash damage is dealt.
If they target a building but are near units, full vs-unit splash damage is dealt.
Light units take additional damage. Not enigmatic at all. :D
Endelite 11 months ago
lol of morrow Uneqe lol moron caster hes hust coppying july zreg
JordanViewer 11 months ago
SPOILERS
Now come guys, don't banelings seem a little imbalanced? You have to have a godly micro to own them and not even a wall of barracks can stop them. WTF? I think the damage dealt to buildings by banelings should be reduced.
Personally I really struggle fighting them in my own games. I'm not Jinro, so one bane owns 5 marines. That certainly seems too much IMHO. What do you guys think?
MartinRmoutil 11 months ago
@MartinRmoutil Completely agree with you. Banelings are way out of balance, reducing the damage or increase of the gas price might look. It is obvious that 2 out of 3 games were owned by banelings and no micro or macro could stopped this acid wall.
lazaraza 11 months ago
Can you at least wait a weak before spoiling an awesome tournament series ? Why not thumb up your ass instead of spoilers ?
bubuslk 11 months ago
Can you at least wait a weak before spoiling an awesome tournament series ? Why not thumb up your ass instead of spoilers ?
bubuslk 11 months ago
The banelings are definitely out of balance. Some tunig is needed, fast!
lazaraza 11 months ago
@lazaraza Bullshit, l2p
ThePdxwill 11 months ago
I would've liked to have seen Jinro win. Ah well. They both played really well.
VileSkullKing 11 months ago
lol fast expaning without a tank.. we already know since kyrix that this doesnt work...
roland4real 11 months ago
Morrow cant win a macro game versus Jinro thats why he goes for allins.
MajinVegeto89 11 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 Wasn't an all-in, Morrow had more drones than Jinro did. Jinro only had marines. Although marines own everything in the late game, they are no match for banelings and zergling in the early game, especially without stim.
sebc2s 11 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 All-in? Even though he had 2 bases and way more drones? Thats a pretty crappy all-in then
RyanStL44 11 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 Not an all in, Morrow was outmacroing, he had more drones, and was on 2 bases, r-tard...
ThePdxwill 11 months ago
Must make marauders and put them on ramp and beside ramp use as meat shield and buildings as secondary shield.
4730301 11 months ago
wow..baneling splas radius needs to be nerfed..those were fuckiong buildings...A nuke that has about 1000 mins and gas invested doesn't even do 1/4 of the damage 12 banelings do...wow
xTheNIL8Rx 11 months ago
@xTheNIL8Rx Well some tanks will stop banelings in their track.
Flyingdutchman1999 11 months ago
@xTheNIL8Rx
Nukes cost 100/100 and deal 500 damage to buildings over radius 8.
Banelings are 50/25 and deal 80 damage to buildings over radius 2.
Morrow spent the cost of about 8 nukes in banelings for that attack. But the beauty of it was the last 3 banelings that killed all those SCVs.
jkuess 11 months ago 18
@jkuess He meant all the building and tech needed for ghosts I think
Chenlee998 11 months ago
@jkuess but nukes are a larger investment because of all the buildings needed to make a nuke and ghost cloak and energy = not worth it..banelings are too strong
xTheNIL8Rx 11 months ago
@jkuess You know ghosts and ghost academy and cloak all need to go into the cost of nukes. Comparing nukes and ghosts is ridiculous. Also how long does it take for a nuke to come down?
MelvinFerbergeson 11 months ago
@jkuess there was no beauty whatsoever in anything. morrow just went bling bust once more because he is aware that this is the only way to beat godlike Jinro. the true skill gap between the two was displayed in game 2 where jinro using his awesome micro and harass was 50-60 food against his opponent in the mid game. what a retard morrow is..
shaman6ix 11 months ago
@shaman6ix In game 2 Jinro went 2 rax bunker rush because he's too stubborn in his marcro game to hold off Morrows banelings. If terran goes 14CC don't QQ when you lose to a zerg timing attack. Morrow went banelings AFTER scouting the 14CC, not before. Also Morrow is no newbie, he beat Jinro with a very well timed attack, he had just enough gas for 13 banelings which is exactly how many it takes to kill a barracks. If Jinro went 1rax FE he would have had been able to hold it off.
jkuess 11 months ago
@jkuess youre missing the point. Jinro is 2 time Code-S semi-finalist training and competing with the best of the best when Morrow is just another good european player. i dont 'hate' morrow, i was just disgusted by the fact that he won 2 games using a skill-less baneling bust technic. and guess what.. i am not qqing nor talking about balance here as i dont play terran or zerg. i just said my opinion about the entertainment value of these matches. if game 2 got a 9/10, games 1 and 3 got a solid 3
shaman6ix 11 months ago
@shaman6ix They may not be entertaining to you but for everyone who plays zerg these games were extremely entertaining. All 3 games.
jkuess 11 months ago
@shaman6ix Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
mmeister7 11 months ago
@jkuess nukes take 15 seconds to drop, banelings take 2 seconds to get in your face and blow your whole army into oblivion...
KaLNFoRc3R 11 months ago
@KaLNFoRc3R also, nukes cant burrow
liewecz 11 months ago
@jkuess
but unlike nukes, banelings actually have the potential to win a game...
(Im not crying or anything btw, its just that your comment in unintelligent)
DestroManiak 11 months ago
@DestroManiak
I take it you haven't seen some of TLOs games?
DR000 11 months ago
@DestroManiak Right because nuking an expansion full of drones won't win you the game. My post was not unintelligent, of course I would rather have banelings than nukes, I was just trying to point out the idiot who said nukes cost 1000 minerals which is absurd.
jkuess 11 months ago
@xTheNIL8Rx No, l2p, get tanks...
ThePdxwill 11 months ago
banelings are so imba!
pxfy 11 months ago
@pxfy no, l2p
ThePdxwill 11 months ago
RPB style
dantewoo86 11 months ago
@dantewoo86 lol...pluer
junclot 11 months ago
What the fuck is this new youtube bull shit?
4x3turn 11 months ago
did anyone else notice at 3:51 that MorroW faked sending a drone to take the third expansion while Jinro was scouting? It's all mind games at this level
jazzaraus 11 months ago 61
@jazzaraus This was genius.
r3z3nd3 11 months ago
@jazzaraus they completely missed that!!! and thats why jinro was so chill
Betio3737 11 months ago
At 6:31 I can just imagine Jinro was like "wut"
jimmyjoejoeshabadoo 11 months ago
Wow nice play of morrow. Perfect timing and he was even making drones at the end.
I love Jinro's style, but morrow just is my fav scII player, his creep spread is crazy :p
Duidelijk1 11 months ago
FUCKING BULLSHIT
FrayztheUsher1 11 months ago
@FrayztheUsher1 Your tears taste sweet.
ThePdxwill 11 months ago
Banelings: Zerg's IWIN button against Terrans.
Yeah I said it. Screw you zerg players. O_o
Sgao117 11 months ago
OH MY GOD, I did not see that result coming.
I'm having an stroke right now.
rafaelandresantunez 11 months ago
morrow's first push would have failed if jinro didnt decide to attack his last 3 banelings with all his scvs
jinro was prepared for the baneling bust and he would have won if he didnt make that mistake
poornewb 11 months ago
that is just beautifull
robitii 11 months ago
lol this kids try so hard to be like Tastosis... But They Kinda FAIL.!
TheNatth1 11 months ago
Damn Husky, talk less. Talking so much is becoming annoying, don't overshadow ur co-commentator.
Frazful 11 months ago
Jinro had two rows of Buildings, seriously Blizzard. You want a damn lego build with three four rows of buldings to prevent a baneling bust?
FE or not, I don't care. Thats insane.
Frazful 11 months ago
jinro would've stood a better chance if he didnt bring his scvs in my opinion.
eeg10 11 months ago
@utkua: Yeah, tanks are the way to go, especially since the banelings will be clumped together, making them more prone to tanks. I think the real mistake here is lack of active scouting in Jinro's part. He had some economic advantage; even a timing scan would have enabled him to have an idea that a bust was coming, and he could have used that factory to switch to tanks.
AzraelCC 11 months ago 2
wow morrow a terran who switched to zerg and beat a rly good terran ;D
iEatFanboys4Lunch 11 months ago 2
jinro should stop playing terran if he wants to rely on early command center, there is a race for that.
utkua 11 months ago
wow...husky DOES talk a lot. i kinda feel bad for djwheat...
omgomgomg444 11 months ago 2
Oh my. Incoming Terran tears and unwarranted cries for a nerf to Banelings in 3...2...1...
Virility 11 months ago 2
Do people understand what an all-in is? Or do we just see baneling busts and go "omg all-in nub"?
bittman 11 months ago 2
"Just try and do the old wall-in...And I'll be like BANELINGS BANELINGS BANELINGS WHOOOOOAA"
ajpbrunet 11 months ago
How so many idiots in the comment section. Going for a fast expo against zerg. Since BW that meant that you're taking a huge risk since zerg could just rush you down and if your wall didn't hold automatic GG. Jinro wasn't smart going for another fast expo, it meant he had no marauders to fight against a baneling all in. 3 rax just building marines, I am sorry but Morrow played that well going banelings.
sc2ai 11 months ago 2
It's totally fucked up. What can you do against this seriously ? Did you see the fucking size of the wall ? It's just instoppable
TimBioSS 11 months ago
@TimBioSS you get tanks, you can get at least 2 tanks by 6-7 minute mark. and you have to scan by 5 to see if there are any banelings on the way, walls only work for early 3 minutes. you can not rely on them after that.
utkua 11 months ago
i like how pepel talke smack and think they contributing twards so so losing and sos o winning when they have nothign to do it and then after that htey go and brag that so so lost even thought htye proably suck at sc2 sooo lets just all get along and enjoy great machtes
carminedust 11 months ago
Haha, nobody can stop a rambling Husky. You teach 'em boy!
yoshomg 11 months ago
Morrow, all in as terran and all in as zerg.
TheNarutocamp 11 months ago
I love Jinro but I must give props to MorroW, he played really well.
FiniteZer0 11 months ago
Morrow played 5 rax reaper with Terran how he baneling busted his way to the Ro16 TSL as Zerg.
Good job Morrow. You might as well switch to Protoss and 4 Gate now.
ppshchik 11 months ago
@ppshchik Punishing a Terran for going command center first is not cheese. There are 2 things you can do (in ANY matchup) when your opponent fast expands: you can try to punish him, or you can try your best to match his macro. Morrow chose to punish Jinro for being extremely greedy. It is not the same as 4gating every game.
brettaburger 11 months ago
@brettaburger has nothing to do with being reactionary, morrow tried to baneling bust all 3 games even when jinro went 2-rax fe
RataFucker 11 months ago
@ppshchik If he wishes to abuse Blizzard's ideas of game balance and what makes for interesting play, let him. He's a skilled player who plays mostly macro games and much prefers them, but if an opponent does something too greedy or risky, he'll happily respond with aggressive play, it's fair enough. Learn about him before judging.
Endelite 11 months ago
The reason Jinro lost this is he didn't expect that second bust.
UbarSkwerl 11 months ago
i can objectively say that morrow knew he couldn't beat jinro in a macro game.
Ahhhoki 11 months ago
Well done morrow!
AddeDaMan 11 months ago
Everyone who hates on Morrow's baneling bust is being ridiculous. The same way Terrans like Jinro try to stop a Zerg fast expansion with a 2-rax bunker rush, there is no way Morrow should allow Jinro to go CC first. That's an extremely economically greedy build and if Jinro should hold against an early rush, there is almost no way Morrow can catch up. He has only two options, which are either double expand to 3 bases and be extremely reactionary or to punish the Terran for being greedy.
sicillankiller 11 months ago
husky would have said something insightful this series except he had jinro's dick in his mouth all three games, jinro is a good player but dam too much dick riding going on give the zerg the credit he deserves!
717525 11 months ago 3
I'm not a Jinro fan. I just like watching games. However, what I've seen with the banelings. Wow, they seem kind of op. The expense and timing is so fast with them that a terran player can't have the units to stop a baneling bust effectively without suffering massive damage in structures, units, and probably even harvesters. I've heard bling busts put a zerg behind, but I think that is not true. It is like cannon rushes. It puts the other player in a bad position and not the other way around.
LordGilgamesh01 11 months ago
@LordGilgamesh01 Nope, I think it's just Jinro who went all with an early command center and thus have less units(marauders esp) to defend against the push. Also, his wall consists of barracks which out positions the marines for behind the wall attacks.
Extelis 11 months ago
@Extelis what other way than rax you suggest anyway? He is a pro, I'm sure he knows the possible best moves. Maybe not all of them but he would probably have practiced for those bling busts bc he knows Morrow is famed for his bling busts. I was just saying how bling busts are so effective they can come off very well. However, someone would have to do it right, just like the cannon rushes.
LordGilgamesh01 10 months ago