The Best Ron Paul Video EVER!

[claytonsautoglass]

I love President Paul!

[GoodVibezin]

@jacoby2025

This is truly a great video! Unfortunately, some of the text was very difficult for me to read. Am I the only person to mention this? lol

[Prothink2]

Why do people still praise MLK!!?? He was the biggest p.o.s. this country had in the 60's. Why do you think the MSM still pushes him and Obama has a statue erected for him? It is because MLK, like everything else this garbage MSM/Gov, was a fraud and crook!

Search You or Vimeo for: "MLK Beast known as saint" It is an excellently produced short (22minutes) doco showing who MLK really was.

********Thumbs up if you already know the truth about MLK*********

[dragnet53]

@Prothink2

Why he is praised you ask? It is because minorities like myself would actually have rights and not considered a slave or less of a person in this day in age. Seriously though dude seeing the stuff you like makes me think you are one of those crazed KKK members that make ron paul look bad. Those same tactics though is what the Israelis use on the Palestinians as 4th class citizens.

[hitmanvb47]

fuck that moderator. thinks hes fucking funny with a smart ass comment like that. USE YOUR BRAIN AMERICA!

[nelly81842]

Vote Ron Paul

[nelly81842]

This is the best video, please vote for RON PAUL in 2012......

[AZ602WS]

@taledarkside....Conspiracy meaning facts??? =P

[taledarkside]

@AZ602WS

Conspiracy as in you believe in UFOs putting things in your ass because alex jones told you.

[AZ602WS]

@taledarkside .... Another dumbass. Wake up dickhead =0 !

[taledarkside]

@AZ602WS

I'm already woke up to you being a dumb conspiracy theorist. Another sheep for alex jones and ron paul.

[whtacrk]

@taledarkside you keep drawing conclusions to JFK & MLK but your forgetting 1 important thing , the constitution hadnt been broken down and destroyed back then if it had been they would of both been doing what Ron Paul is doing today, Im not even an American and I can whats happening there why cant you , do you really want to live in a fascist communist state ? because thats where your heading if people like this dont stand up for you and your rights.

[taledarkside]

@whtacrk

Do you know where I live? no you dont, so you are making assumptions like a dumb conspiracy theorist.

JFK and MLK are great man in history that gave people rights. Ron Paul is 30 years too late for that.

Constitution was broken in that time period. Thats why JFK and MLK were protesting for rights to the black people. Ron Paul crying about drug laws isn't even close to helping anyone out.

[whtacrk]

@taledarkside better late than never ,actually constitution has been changed 27 times first time dating back to the early 1700 ( bill of rights ) and then periodiclly over next 2 centries, but the worst of these 2011 which effectively ends the bill of rights by declearing USA to be a battle ground, I think you need to just stop and listen/read what his goals are, he is fighting to preserve the rights for all, if you think theres better candidate vote for them.

[taledarkside]

@whtacrk

You should learn US history, because you don't know anything. LOL early 1700s. Thats why you ron paul people are so fucking stupid.

[taledarkside]

JFK and MLK actually did things for america. ron paul hasn't done anything for 30 years in congress.

putting a shame to the memory of two american heros. ron paul supporters are garbage

[Fesheca]

@taledarkside

1) JFK & MLK lived in a time when there was still a chance to claim your freedoms. They were murdered by the same Oligarchy, who for the last 40+ yrs has bought and paid for almost every member of Congress to do their bidding. RP's bills fight for our principals and freedoms in an effort to preserve the Constitution, which isn't a very popular topic within a bribed Congress whose main goal is to further the riches of the 1% and destroy our nation's sovereignty.

[Fesheca]

@taledarkside

2) Saying RP has never done anything, is laughable. By his very presence in Congress, he has stopped, & greatly slowed down the passing of legislature that would've already made you obsolete in this power structure. RP not only reads the bills he's required to vote on, but studies them in order to reject those that promote further corruption & invasion into our private lives. It's a pity you lack the discerrment skills needed to recognize what's right in front of your nose.

[taledarkside]

@Fesheca

So you can't prove ron paul has done anything great for this country. ROFL

Same idiot that thinks MLK and JFK are the same as ron paul. a real insult on those two american heros. When did ron paul ever go on the streets and do marches for black rights? NEVER.

[Fesheca]

@taledarkside I guess you want him to pay your "mortgage" like Obama did? You're either black, or just stupid...most likely both! But I'm sure one of the status quo will definitely do something TO ya.' not FOR you.

When did Mitt, Rick, or Newt go to the streets and do marches for black rights? ROFL!

but wait...Blacks built the PYRAMIDS! They CREATED the White Man! You don't need anyone to do anything for you! Why the FCK don't you get of your ass and do something for YOUR SELF?

[MrGETitGOTit]

Best video ever! Just wont let me share??

[moniquemonicat]

Chris Wallace and the other shills actually laughed at Ron Paul on the air? Well, today everything Ron said is proven true. We'll no one is laughing at Paul now. Many are crying.

[ayubisobhan]

Description cont. and peace.

[kvn31k]

A vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul is a vote for war, death, and poverty in the US. It's that simple!

[ZEINKIENZE]

Ron Paul's Retirement 2012!!!!!

[i842much]

I would take a bullet for this man...the reporters are ignorant in every debate, never affording him the respect that his integrity has earned him. Dr. Paul give ma call I will head up your Secret Service.

Ron Paul 2012.

[THELIFEOFPRICE]

Grandpa paul 2012!!

[leedonahue88]

he just got my vote... so tired of us poking the communist powers of iran russia and china. prevoking WW3.

from the korean war, cuban missle crisis, vietnam war. now whe have surrounded a nation that has strong ties to communist and issued warnings to and from each other... why?

do you the american public want a war? i know i do not.

i want jobs to come back to the U.S.A. without it costing a billion dollars more in taxes and regulation

[gman1234536]

the man is nuts

[uxb67]

Martin Luther King; whore-monger, plagiarist, women-beater, Marxist, embezzler, adulterer, deviant.

[111RobinHood]

I'm European and I, too, want Ron Paul for president. We all know that the government is corrupt, that the major medias are biased propagandas for a corrupt and fascist government. There is no constitutional republic without the constitution, and there is no freedom and justice for the people without the constitution. The military swore an oath to the constitution and not to a fascist dictatorship. Presidents swear an oath to protect the constitution and they are deliberately destroying it.

[Sunny14ever]

@111RobinHood  I wish more Americans would listen to him...

[seanith5583]

I'm a Vet and I want Ron Paul for president. The media is ignoring the only candidate that isn't obviously planing on selling out the wealth of working men. Bailouts and war equal the poor pay for rich peoples life styles. Let rich people work for their wealth again by making a system where only the productive gain wealth. No more free rides on the back of the Fed's inflation tax. They want to make a world that is so expensive that the only way to live is to barrow money at interest. No more!

[Sunny14ever]

@seanith5583 RIGHT ON!!!!!! I don't want to see anymore brothers and sisters die in the name of WAR anymore.....They are getting rich off the blood of so many people and we should be friends with our fellow man, not enemies....life is too short for hate and greed...peace brings man together and breeds creativity and free thought...I love RON PAUL!!! For the first time in my life I have never been so passionate about anything than making sure my voice is heard. LET RON BE HEARD!

[franciscoreatas11]

MAn this is expected. Someone needs to use 2008 Debates to introduce ROn PaUL believes out to America. Thank you for your contribution

[FelixJosephBamba]

I am not American and Ron Paul makes me love America once more!!! Thanks for sharing this video..

[systemofadumb1]

i wish that martin luther king jr. was the first black president instead of obama

[dleechristy]

@systemofadumb1 - You are without a clue.

[StreetFighterFan86]

YOUTUBE DO NOT TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN or YOU are TRAITORS to our great nation! Ron Paul 2012! Bring back freedom, and our beloved Republic! God bless us all!

[buzzbox2nd]

i would like to hope all the other speakers on that platform shook that mans hand after that ,what a terrific guy Ron Paul is

[buzzbox2nd]

vote for the guy in this video ,nothing else you ever do will be more important

[buzzbox2nd]

It really doesnt matter what political belife any of us have.What matters is helping to make people see that greed and hate and ignorance is not incurable,this generation has already had enough of war and hate,by being a champion of peace is not being weak,its about having a heart filled with compassion and respect as one of the greatest presidents once said in the height of the cold war with the Soviet Union"We all breathe the same air,we all cherrish our childrens futures,and we are all mortal

[conservativetothecor]

listen to that applause and the Faux guy just cant stand it.

[mkmason2002]

I BELIEVE GOD HAS GIVEN US ONE LAST CHANCE TO STAND UP & DEFEND OUR INALIENBLE RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, & FREEDOM OF SPEECH. DEMAND CLOSED BORDERS, RESPONSIBLE SPENDING, A FAIR TAX & AN END TO POLICING THE WORLD! END THE FED!

FIND RON PAUL SUPPORTERS, GET RP SIGNS & GO STAND OUT ON THE BUSIEST TRAFFIC CORNER IN YOUR CITY ON A FRIDAY AT 3:30PM UNTIL 6PM.

LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE STRONG,

WE WILL NOT BE SHUT OUT,

WE WILL STAND.

WE WILL NOT GO DOWN AS SHEEPLE!

DO I HEAR AN "AMEN?"

[qotsaandsoadfan1]

@mkmason2002 This is not a Rick Perry video.

[TheyCallMeMoney420]

dont listen to this "weetoy69" anyone who has stoop down to "You pussy! You stone freak" and "Ron Paul is fucking older than dirt"..... well i think you all can think for yourselves.

[Ievolovel]

@weetoy69 You must be right typing in all caps like that. Also age is just a number, and many presidents have been in office at such an age. You do realize we are ran by corporations right? It started right after the industrial revolution, and has grown since. Why do you think JFK was assassinated? Lincoln as well? ... because they challenged those with the most power. You are just a troll or a really confused individual.

[MrStevefinley]

change vote ron paul

[XIronCross]

"Ron Paul is the lightbearer, that shows the way. We will erect buildings and statues in his honor and follow in his footsteps."

[meghan42]

@XIronCross Oh couldn't we please stop building statues and buildings under anyone at all? I love Ron Paul .... but do we really need to erect buildings or statues? Such silly iconography. Let us stop building statues as statues are silly and a waste of money! Anyone who is worth their merit wouldf not desire such iconography. Ron Paul is way to real to demand a statue or buiding to be named after him.

[rxantos]

@meghan42 Agreed

A person like Ron Paul would not demand a statue, nor desire one.

He just want our country to be once again the United States of America instead of the bad joke it has become.

On a republic. A government that does not obeys its constitution is an illegitimate government. The USA government stopped being legitimate the moment it chose to abandon the constitution. Ron Paul wants the constitution back. Ron Paul wants a legitimate government.

[TheQueenoftheDead]

@rxantos Amen. Ron Paul knows what he is talking about. He has been trying to warn the Government that if they kept going this was going to happen. They never heeded his words and now our country is in such a sorry state. If he gets in office you'll see things change for the better.

[grapevinelane]

BTW Ron Paul's Foreign Policy is the same as George W Bush's was in 2000, search it on here and you'll hear for yourself.

[TheFightaz]

o man were would i be if i have never educated myself, i thank God for such wisdom and truth. God bless the brave

[CCHarmon88]

@harpleblues...RP and JFK were very close...Educate yourself

[CCHarmon88]

@weetoy69 You need to educate yourself,everything you said is incorrect!

[shrector123]

Kind off topic, But nice Forrest Gump soundtrack during the JFK Speech

[johnnyringworm]

great video. weetoy69, the world is three dimensional. you come across as though you can only discern one.

[weetoy69]

WHICH CONGRESSMAN IS TURNING HIS BACK ON HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS BY TRYING TO PHASE OUT SOC SEC AND MEDICARE ? WHICH CONGRESSMAN IS ATTACKING THE USA'S MAIN BANKING SYSTEM IN THIS FRAGILE ECONOMIC TIME TO MAKE US ALL POOR ? WHICH CONGRESSMAN OBSTRUCTS ANY ATTEMPTS TO PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK? WHICH CONGRESSMAN WANTS TO REPEAL THE MINIMUM WAGE TO MAKE THE WORKING POOR STARVE ? WHICH CONGRESSMAN WILL NEVER ASK THE RICH TO HELP BUT WILL SCREW THE MIDDLE CLASS ? WHY ITS RON PAUL .

[vban1000]

@weetoy69 WOW!! You are seriously misinformed and uneducated. Got to the Ron Paul 2012 website to learn about economics and foreign policy.

[jahellaspartan]

@weetoy69 ..... Wow! You are truly misinformed! It is so SAD to see someone (like yourself) lost on issues that does not reflect Congressman Dr. Ron Paul. Please go to Dr. Paul's website and learn more and the TRUTH!

[Combat79]

@weetoy69 i feel sorry for you.

[XIronCross]

@weetoy69 Nope, you're wrong.

[liberty81414]

Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, a return to sound monetary policies, and a sensible foreign policy that puts America first.

[harperonline]

@liberty81414 - When will you American's do something useful for once and just vote this guy in as your C&C? Do it for the rest of the world too as we will say 'hey look at the land of the free, they are really back on track'. You are not presently the land of the free, you are the land of the war mongering, bankrupt destroyers of the world, or should I say, your government is. You were born of England, please don't be like us... You have so much more.

[miracleneeded]

Ron Paul wins Iowa straw poll 82% Ron Paul wins Ohio Straw Poll with 84% Ron Paul wins California. Ron Paul wins Value Voters Straw Poll.

It is because we have to do all the work throughYoutube and email, etc. to tell millions, when the MSM will intintially get it wrong or put in another soundtrack to make it sound as if he were booed and others were applauded. We who were at these events know the truth, but millions do not because the MSM!! We have our work cut out for us.

[harpleblues]

How dare the maker of this video intend to present Ron Paul as standing shoulder to shoulder with John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr. and the founding fathers of this country. Kennedy, King, et al accomplished something. When Ron Paul's accomplishments match theirs, then perhaps this video has merit. Until then, just consider his statements, evaluate their truth, and then vote according to your determination.

[urallinsane]

@harpleblues Ron Paul is the only honest and principled politician left it appears. In this day, I would say that deserves this kind of reckoning. Agree with him or not, few people in Washington or elsewhere would disagree with that.  I will vote for an honest man I disagree with over a liar who panders to my whims!

[ScopedOUT2]

@urallinsane 100% right.

[liberty81414]

@harpleblues Do your research,you will find that Ron Paul has accomplished a lot!!

[sibkiss2009]

@harpleblues You don't know Ron Paul, then. He is the lightbearer, that shows the way. We will erect buildings and statues in his honor and follow in his footsteps.

[XIronCross]

@harpleblues Ron Paul supports the same principles as these fine men. It makes a lot of sense to put them on the same boat...

[lilsanchez19]

If he*

[lilsanchez19]

Is there really no hope for a guy like this to be president?...and he became president would congress agree with him? ...it sure would be great to have him as president

[Umbrelic]

He will not be president in our lifetime.

Nobody is yet willing to listen.

Those in office will not accept the truth.

People are too busy bickering over who is right.

There are just not enough problems for change.

People are ignorant.

In thirty years the smarter generations will be in that panels place.

He will not be president but we can hope.

[sunburned2]

@Umbrelic Yet he is getting win after win in the straw votes.. which some say do not mean much but it does mean that the American public is behind him. Dr. Paul CAN win this election .. don't be fooled .. its going to be a long ride but our freedom depends on it... If he doesn't make the primary, I will write him in.. please do the same..

[cullinane8888]

he wont get shot

[BrandeynAndMicheal]

Ok.. Who thumbs downed the video.. * pulls out gun *

[dootndo2]

It would be great to see a revised version of this including new audio and video for 2012!

Great job. Ron Paul 2012!

[wojovox]

In America the voice of reason seems lost. I've tried to reason with others my whole life and I end up being mocked, being ridiculed, and talked over. I was born into this country, I didn't choose it...., but, I will choose Ron Paul.

[gutzs]

"What do J.F.K. Martin Luther King Jr. and Ron Paul all have in Common? They all believed in FREEDOM and LIBERTY!"

Can you guess what they'll also soon have in common?

Hopefully that won't happen, but if it does, let it be as PRESIDENT! Ron Paul 2012!

[MrKrautman]

@gutzs

That's a very scary thought, but also possible. People who challenge the status quo get a target on their back

[gutzs]

@MrKrautman Yes, of course. Because the status quo is just far too profitable to some people.

[sunburned2]

@MrKrautman If he does, there's going to be a LOT of people invoking their 2nd Amendment rights...

[SuperMagnetizer]

Ron Paul is sent by God. So for God's sake, vote for him! Ron Paul 2012 !!

[williamjpiano]

Some mainstream politician disliked this

[crodrigo9501]

An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it!

Our country is going down the drain because the incompetent baboons that hold office today refuse to do whats right!!!, we need to change that, vote RON PAUL 2012!!!

[nwosuxballs]

Bush was not re-elected that election was stolen, not that it mattered the other puppet would have done the same things he did. I think they did it to see what we would do about it and to prepare for the next stolen election in case someone was voted in that was a real person without a hand up his ass (RON PAUL) then when the real person won they could do it again and steal the election again. Ron Paul Or revolution 2012.

[nwosuxballs]

They can try and make him look like a fool all they wnat, i think the people are awake now and dont believe anything that the mainstream media says anymore, i know i sure as hell dont believe anything that they say anymore , I quit watching t.v. had the cable shut off 7 years ago i have enjoyed these assholes not being in my home on my t.v. they are nothing but a bunch of lying creeps and we the people need to take our country back. VOTE RON PAUL 2012 .

[happyVIDwatcher]

I'm 16, I will be 17, come election time, I can't vote, but I did donate the only $100 I have, I've put a sign in my yard, and a ron paul bumper sticker on my car, I like, and favorite every good Ron Paul video find, and i'm attempting to convince my parents to vote for him... To all those who are unable to vote for Ron Paul, Please take this as an example, all of those who can take action should, or you will grow up to find that America isn't as great as you thought it was.

[Xe7Jax]

Ron Paul has indeed finally reached me, and I pray that he is our next POTUS in 2012!!!!

[MsChris413]

If Ron Paul debated this year like he was doing then, he would be in first place. He needs to get back to that and FAST.

[RoonGang09]

And the sad thing is, all thoughs great leaders in the past were shut up with a bullet. Well, they'll need a lot of bullets to shut all of us up.

[pokeyugi13]

The Fed has been corrupted by banks

I believe the Treasury should control the Fed

[MausTanker]

@pokeyugi13 the fed needs to be completely abolished it IS the central bank! it corrupted no wait is buying out the other banks!

[nashvilleoutlaw]

@pokeyugi13 Fed corrupted by banks? If you think that you need to see this

watch?v=h6pWR-1lV6o&feature=sh­are

[spliffsperlunk]

J.F.K also wanted to end the fed, couldve been part of the reason he was assasinated.

Ron Paul was a breath of fresh air so to speak he wasnt like your typical two faced self preserving lying politician he was honest principled and takes the same positions today he did decades ago, so When he ran for president in 2008 I found out just how dishonest and corrupt our media actually is.

[rgl567]

RON PAUL thank you im GLAD SOMEONE NOW HAS PENATRATED THE HEART OF THE MATTER OF WHATS REALLY GOING ON!!!..In God We Trust and in Trust I trust you....God Bless....

[rgl567]

...us Americans are in danger of losing our identity as Americans our cultural values have been dissolving right before us....This Ron Paul this AMERICAN!! this man with the balls to fight for what he believes in a man that know his country's history and is willing to perserve our culture AS THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

[rgl567]

Ron Paul....listening to the real problems not being distracted by these bias opinions of war "are you saying we should take our marching orders from al queida" Fuck off for 30 seconds asshole! how dare you laugh at a man that stands stronger then any army with his words of truth, encouragement, honestly, and true freedom of speech never make a mockery of our liberties and justice...

[lovosazul]

Dam, in this dyeing need for some sort of greatly needed intervention that could somehow heal America's terrible aching scars and sores and if not the world, who would've though Ron Paul loose for the opportunity to be one of the greatest Presidents America ever had right now, along side Jackson, Lincoln and the Kednnedy's.

Peace=)

[lovosazul]

Word. I have!

Please wake up America.

We Love you!

We Miss You!

[yianki1020]

WOW...THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS

[FlamingLeaves]

You know....I couldn't help being so profoundly touched by this video, even though I am not a die hard Ron Paul supporter (I liked Biden)...it's really great and touching. It's a great video....whoever made it has some huge talent

[LepreKhaun406]

WHY the fuck is that guy tryin to make Ron Paul look like a fool, and the counsil laughing at him???? can somebody please tell me this asshole's NAME?!?!?!?!? I can almost say with utmost certainty that he was told to say that through an ear piece

Dont be a Fool America, Support the Revolution

[PolKsio]

@LepreKhaun406 seems to me that the crowd follows the one who makes the show go on, and blindly follow feelings like laughter and is simply unable to rationalize before letting their feelings burst out.

It's an idiot crowd, that's why Bush was reelected.

There's still hope though.

[mukkeer]

Thanks Ron. Time Magazine voted Vladimir Putin as person of the year. He is undoubtedly the greatest leader of our time. But then Russia is a nation of intellectuals. America is a nation of fools. That is why they will always put idiots in power and not people like Ron Paul.

[karlmarx12345]

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance.

[countrysamurai]

Very emotional!!! I love JFK all over again!!! Thanks! Ron Paul is my hero!!! I love him and I wish him well in any endeavor he participates in!!! Thank you for giving us hope in a bleak world!!! Liberty Rules!.............

[Lorrdess]

Awesome video!

Please consider adding the url to the download site in your video description.

[Cold1983]

Russia does not hate you. We look forward to the friendship and cooperation.

No Cold War McCain! We give you the long hand of friendship. Let there be peace! My vote means nothing, but I would have voted for Ron Paul.

[Cold1983]

Russia does not hate you. We look forward to the friendship and cooperation.

No Cold War McCain! We give you the long hand of friendship. Let there be peace! My vote means nothing, but I would have voted for Ron Paul.

[Cold1983]

I regret that the President of the United States can become McCain "Bush on steroids." I wish the American people peace and prosperity. Paul. (Russia)

[freeyourmind4202]

Peace to you my brother (America)

[Cold1983]

I regret that the President of the United States can become McCain "Bush on steroids." I wish the American people peace and prosperity. Paul. (Russia)

[Cold1983]

I regret that the President of the United States can become McCain "Bush on steroids." I wish the American people peace and prosperity. Paul. (Russia)

[Cold1983]

I regret that the President of the United States can become McCain "Bush on steroids." I wish the American people peace and prosperity. Paul. (Russia)

[countrysamurai]

Thank you...peace and prosperity for Russia as well...my friend!!!

[ShinobiKunai]

thanks comrade, i hope it works out for this country before i leave it. i never have seen any foriegner as an enemy and you are no enemy of mine

[imreallydumb123]

good man

[chronto]

shit almost made me cry.

RON PAUL for freedom.

youtube peter schiff for more reasons to vote for RON PAUL.

[UserP]

wow

ron paul is so compassionate

[peevedgrl]

Keep it up, your video is great!!!

Ron Paul 2008!

[jkt626]

absolutely the best! Thank you!

[chippers24]

How can McCain who said I would stay in Iraq for 100 more years be leading the Republican Party right now? I always thought that the American people are good honest people but when they hear that and still vote for him, should the world be sympathetic when they get bombed?

[countrysamurai]

Please don't hate us! MOST of this country is going to vote AGAINST McCain! Yet he still has a very good chance of winning the White House! Ron Paul is the only candidate that will keep us out of the affairs of the rest of the world! We will be friends with but will not meddle in squabbles with other countries! Please pray that Dr. Paul wins the election or we as a country are doomed! It is only a matter of time! The NWO is coming and we have to stop it! Ron Paul in '08...

[chippers24]

The world has always loved the American people but hated the American government. Will the world get a chance to say "you deserve it, you voted for that president, you had the chance to vote for someone that would change the world and you didn't"? Don't let the world start hating the American people. You have the choice. Ron Paul.

[countrysamurai]

Well said...thank you and keep the faith!!! America...vote FREEDOM...vote LIBERTY...vote JUSTICE...VOTE FOR DR. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!! WE finally have a candidate that we would be proud to call our president! His integrity and honor are a call to arms for America! We need to act before it's too late...it may already be! Ron Paul in '08