Note that I didn't bring BJJ into this at all; pmaugher did upon reading my profile. So this is not a "BJJ is better" pitch by me.
It's an attempt by several people here to discredit my own combat-proven system to validify their own system, which has never been proven as far as I can tell in any full-contact situation.
Also, pmaugher blatantly lied about knowing "several guys with blackbelts in BJJ and Judo" in an attempt to strengthen his argument.
Of course tying yourself up with an opponent makes you vulnerable to his friends. But if you're familiar with ground fighting, you can get out of a bad situation on the ground far more easily.
If you go to the ground, which is likely whether you want to or not, you better know what to do, and be able to get up fast. Especially with multiple opponents.
well said, i agree. however it should be noted that the whole "90% of fights go to the ground" is grossly inaccurate according to police officers i know. and the ones that do usually only go down because noone knows how to stop it from going to the ground. but as you said, shit happens, maybe he's better than you, maybe you trip or slip on the mud or ice...you better at least have some idea of what to do down there.
Also, I could just as easily say that I know several XingYi masters who say it's totally ineffective in real life. So you saying you know blackbelts in both BJJ and judo who say it's useless is a stupid and probably fabricated argument.
Also, which BJJ blackbelt do you know? Because there aren't that many, so I'm sure I could investigate this.
has anyone ever noticed all these internal masters are extremely large, larger than the average man. doesn't that make it easier for them to fa jin and defeat everyone around them. i thought internal martial arts were supposed to be for the smaller guy but i have never seen one small master with convincing fajin or power. all their fajin demonstrations are on much smaller guys, look at bruce kumar, wang shu jin, hung i hsiang and the gompa guy.
well than i would appreciate it if you could direct me to the videos on youtube or wherever that show a smaller man doing real fajin on a larger man. and no i am not a xingyimaster, i have only been doing xingyi for 3 years. i just thought the name sounded cool. i still have a great respect for the art but am keeping my mind open to styles like bjj and wrestling which i have seen definetly work against much larger opponents.
Look for videos with Sifu James McNeal. He is an internal stylist who specializes in Iron Palm Training, Splashing Hands, and, most of all, Xingyi. I'll see if I can't find some of him on youtube but I doubt it.
If you have your mind on wrestling or bjj try not to unless you have martial goals in competitive sport. BJJ and modern wrestling were built to be sport and aren't very effective in a life or death situation. Shuai Jiao (chinese grappling) could be an alternative for you.
BJJ was NOT built to be a sport. It was built to be a comprehensive fighting system for either sports purposes or self-defence. The fact that it has a competitive side is, if anything, a bonus.
Especially in MMA; it's the best possible place to test whether what you've been training hard in works under pressure. And when it does, it's an excellent confidence builder.
I am sure it is and you are correct partially, but BJJ was built by a sportsman for sport. Japanese Jiujitsu is far more utilitarian than BJJ, not that I'm touting either. It may not seem like it but I am not biased against BJJ. The beatings you take don't prepare you for the type of adverse effects induced by a real combat style.
Example: You are fighting outside a bar with someone who has had a few too many. He attacks you in some fashion and you land, I dunno, a hard takedown. cont...
A sportsman for sport? Carlos and Helio Gracie modified the art to be an all-encompassing self-defensive system, which works under pressure.
Japanese Jujutsu is kept alive, for the most part, by traditionalists who never test it under full-contact conditions.
And the beatings we take (which are really not beatings at all) DO prepare people for the realities of combat. It means you're used to a guy coming at you intending to hurt you or knock you out.
Incidentally, before you start raving about me coming on to this video and spouting abuse, I was directed here by a friend as evidence of the overall superiority of his art. I'm extremely disappointed.
i understand why you don't appreciate xing yi quan from watching a video, xing yi aims to develop refined and even hidden power which you will not see in a video, please seek a xing yi quan master and ask to feel his beng. it is easy to talk about a video but when have you experienced the pain a xing yi man can cause?? xing yi has been tried and tested in military combat and trust me it works. may not look powerful but i assure you it is!
Honestly I think an experience martial artist no matter the style should be able to pick up on the unseen power in the syle. Ive taken classes on mostly external styles and trained on internal myself because I cant find an internal teacher around my area, but I can still pick up on the unseen power. You can see if you watch closely and understand body mechanics and qi.
yeah thats true. i have read in books there are masters who can just put there hand on you and without moving and send someone flying through chi power, however after watching all the masters wang shu jin, bruce kumar i don't believe such power is possible. with all these masters you can actually see some movement, even though it maybe slight.
because quick jabs to the neck do nothing. The person is going slow for demonstration, if he wanted to go fast he would be able to kill quickly and efficiently.
What do jabs to the neck have to do with anything?
Also, to kill quickly and effectively, you first have to survive. A person utilising this art would not survive for long.
Secondly, what proof do you have that he would be able to kill quickly and effectively. Have you done it? When was the last time this gentleman killed somebody?
Thirdly, I wasn't aware there was a line between killing effectively and killing ineffectively. I would say if the guy is dead, it was fairly effective.
if you tried to grapple a xing yi I swear they will gouge your eyes, and if you try boxing a master, there skull will be harder than your fist. It's nei gung. zhan zhang will make a xing yi artist almost invincible.
As for this comment, this is absolute and utter crap. Any fighter can gouge your eyes. Any kickboxer, karateka, BJJ player, judoka, anyone. If your martial art is based purely around eye gouging with no delivery system, then it's crap. This argument is commonly used by idiots.
It doesn't matter how hard your skull is, if you're hit hard enough to concuss your brain, lights out for you.
The eye gouging vs grappling crap has been tested repeatedly and has been proven to be bullshit. Also, tai-chi which is another of the three main internal arts is 80% grappling, even if it's stand up. Are you saying that eye gouging negates almost all of the art? Then again that's for full contact fighting brutes, r33l tai-chi revolves around chi blasts...
Oh, and I don't see all that many broken skulls in boxing, mainly concussions from your brain bouncing in that hard skull of yours :)
Edit: So sorry. I now realise the error in my ways. I am now absolutely certain that if he wanted to go fast, the air around him would surely stand no chance at all.
Oh my. Believe me, that video proves my point more than it does yours. In fact, YOU fail. So hard. LARPing, lunge punching, unrealistic techniques against unrealistic opponents; techniques performed whilst leaving your vital points wide open, in the blind belief that while performing the technique the opponent will be so stunned by your manly prowess that he will stand helpless while you lengthily LARP the hell out of them.
Also, attackers look like 4 year old Wing Chun practitioners. Jesus.
Well, you're welcome to try, but I guarantee you won't be able to for two reasons; first, you couldn't even if I let you. And second, any decent defensive posture involves tucking the chin and shrugging the shoulders a little to protect the chin, neck and ears.
so you think in a combat situation, bjj will be effective against multiple attackers, or when using kickboxing they won't be in an guard and won't fight you 100% randomly in the street. Imagine this, when being attacked in the streets are people throwing haymakers or fighting with a full guard if you look harmless?
So instead you'll try to use something fancy which relies on fine motor movement which you've never tested under pressure and get killed?
So I guess you read my profile. First of all, yes. People will attack you if you're not in a guard. Secondly, no martial art is effective against multiple attackers. Especially not one which does not equip you with the ability to cope with stressfull situations.
BJJ is useful for turning a bad situation (being on the ground) into a slightly better situation.
BJJ is unrealistic against multiple attackers, while your trying to tap out one guy your gonna get stabbed etc etc. I know several guys who have bb in BJJ ju jitus or judo that say its not that effective in real life and its not. Ive studied it, and the only thing that works is taking your opponent out fast instead of dry humping him on the ground with your back open to every one and every thing.
What an incredible amount of fail in one argument. No martial art is effective against multiple attackers. Only the 100m sprint is effective in that situation.
Grappling = sex joke not only isn't funny, but it broadcasts your incredible ignorance about everything related to grappling, along with your "trying to tap" comment.
Remember that people tap to stop from being choked unconscious or having a limb broken..
You've studied it? Where? For how long? I think you're lying.
I have studied BJJ and the less watered down Japanese Jiujitsu. The point I think that pmaughmer is trying to make is that tying yourself up with an opponent only makes you vulnerable to his allies.
Some of my training mates and I used to visit gyms where we knew they taught MMA just so we could prove our point and, frankly, make fun of them. In the end we just felt bad about how we acted. It turned out good though because we wound up getting some new students.
Some of my training mates and I used to visit gyms where we knew they taught Xingyi just so we could prove our point and, frankly, made fun of them. In the end we just felt bad. It turned out good, though, because we wound up getting some new students.
My story is just as verifiable as yours. Difference is, I'm certain if you'd participated in sparring, you'd have lost far more students than you'd have gained.
I suppose I see your point but you adaptation of my anecdote left out something fairly important. I have actually trained BJJ and Japanese Jiujitsu. I wasn't making any knock against the style, I was just using life experience to knock the sport mentality. It isn't so much that MMA styles are lacking, but their way they're taught and the mentality taught is. My master tells us that the fighter fights and the killer kills. Sportsman are fighters, my mates and I are not.
1. Sports fighters are trained to take hits, and therefore their psychological impact is lessened,
2. Sports fighters are used to continuing to fight even when badly hurt.
Therefore, they are in fact better for mental training than an art in which you are not used to fighting. A sports fighter will be prepared to endure more pain in search of victory, because they need to do so in every match.
This is an excellect video. Getting to see everything put together is great. Now I have something for review. I've been at this form for almost 2 years. Learning slowly. Very slowly. I can only dream to eventually be half as good as this guy.
After I finish learning the new Yang long form, then old short form and sword form I would begin to learn this. It's going to be awesome to get to this point in my training. So far, I like what I see. I'm just ecstatic that get to eventually learn this. :)
Wow, that kid was awesome, how old is this video? is that person still alive? he'd be a great master by now i'm sure. His skills were breath taking, his moves so smooth, they flowed with out a thought.
Excellent! A very nice demonstration of the classical forms. A lot of people have a misconception on the "internal arts". This video really shows the inherent power of Xing Yi Quan.A very vibrant and practical system. Little wonder why it was used by bodyguards in China. Thanks for the vid!
Yeah right, Bruce Lee's Play fighting on Camera is for SHOW, for a MOVIE . Of course he's going to over dramatize and make things look , Did you REALLy think he's going to be doing flips and fight twenty guys at once? as Mr. Lee said-"Too much horsing around with unrealistic stances and classic forms and rituals is just too artificial and mechanical, and doesn't really prepare the student for ACTUAL combat"
Apparently you've never seen a xingyi applications video. Of course you can't expect people to fight exactly like you see in this video. They are doing exercises to help them improve things like coordination and timing, which will help you to learn the ACTUAL kung fu techniques and be a good fighter in the end.
Not all martial arts training consists of just learning the moves. If you want to see the actual moves practices, however, I suggest you search "xingyiquan applications" and click on the first video you see. But, as for forms practices, you actually have to think about what they are really practicing before you can say they can't fight, because the typical american way of everything being obvious does not exist in Forms practices.
using techniques from forms or sequences and translating them into fighting isnt too hard. I practice the internal arts and external arts of shaolin. I also train san shou and BJJ. Ive been in alot of matches, so I can attest that xing yi quan does work! Especially Pi quan (metal) and the wood element.
the thing is tho is that the forms arn't meant to be used in fighting, they just teach you the principles of the application, because in the application you use more "freestyle"
Hsing-I does teach weapons, yes. As for being fast or slow, much benefit can come from practicing slowly. Hsing-I is an internal art requiring much subtle dexterity and if done only fast, would be very difficult to master. However in application it is very fast.
Thank Yuo, Very Much for this Post! I remember when my Taichi Chuan master teach us the Right Line Tao and the Curve Line Tao. When I could see in You Tube the Xing Hi and Pakua demostrations I could understand the giant treasure that my Master put in my hands. Thank you, Master, for your teachings and thank you to God for put me this great Master!
asianamerican68: I'm with you one hundred percent. I teach traditional mantis in Cheng Du, China and have a TCM research corporation. Its coming. Contact me, lets talk about promoting these arts and preserving them for the future.
Like anything else, there are many different versions. Is there such book in English? With High Resolution Color photos and name (in Chinese and English) of each of the herbal ingredients, and sources for them?
Even though Chinese KUNG FU is not an Olympic Sport, I hope China will have a National Demonstration Team, sometime during the 2008 Olympics, show the World just how good Chinese Kung Fu can be.
Wouldn't that be nice? We could all enjoy watching what's been developed in one of the World's oldest Culture!
Now that CHINA is on the UPSWING, I hope each body of KUNG FU knowledge can be documented and preserved for present and future generations of people who wish to study and acquire the skill. Let's not lose any more knowledge for all the wrong reasons.
Pbotsis, there is nothing mystical about internal power, though most who practice it think there is. In truth though, one can in fact generate a surpisingly shocking blow using principles practiced by Hsing-I techniques and the like. If you are ever in Montreal, look me up and I'll demonstrate for you (through a phonebook preferably). No, this is not a fight challenge, I'm not saying "I can beat you up" or anything, just a demo.
External power is like a baseball bat. Internal power is more like a whip. This is not to say that you should be limp, but you must be relaxed and flexible until the instant of impact. It is not a piston action, but as the power of a piston does not come from the rod, neither does a Fajin punch come from the arm. It starts in the lower belly and ripples outward with the whole body contributing. The ripple builds into a wave that crests in the fist. Fajin.
To be honest Bruce was taught from the most basic classical martial arts before he could perform water like motions with his martial arts, You have to practice the classical before you can comprehend the even similar movements; The classical way can let you see weaknesses in your enemy, you will be very quick to defend yourself if you study these movements, I have used them when people put there hands on me, or I at least try to
Actually the most important consideration has definitely got to be the Sifu and the school culture. Get a Sifu who's humble, open-minded, logical, reasonable and whose goals are the same as yours (are you looking for something with culture, health, self-defence, spirituality, combat sport, sport wushu or a combination of these?). Unfortunately you'll have to look and ask around personally. Hope this helped.
(to H2zman) You're welcome. Just to add a bit more, I have heard a saying that in kungfu, both the external and internal will eventually meet, just that the practitioner trains a different path. External arts first train the muscles, sinews and bones, eventually giving way to smoother, softer and rounder movements as one gains technical profeciency (internal). Internal arts first cultivate breathing, flexibility and timing, eventually resulting in a strong body and external applications.
Oh, one last thing, please don't let pbtosis put you off Muay Thai, BJJ and Karate. There will always be some complementary skills that can be adopted, or the same movements can have interesting different applications. Some of these arts (especially a number of karate schools) have common ancestry with kungfu. You'll be amazed at the benefits you can get from cross-training or friendly sharing with open-minded people.
It is generally safe to say that most kung fu styles will have external training balance internal training, just that the focus or the development may favour one over the other. If you are still concerned, you can start with one school first, then cross train in another school later. The basic stances and movements will generally still be the same.
Hi H2Zman, it's a bit hard to answer that question because kung fu can't exactly be seperated into internal/external, they are almost always balanced. Even Hung Gar, one of the more "external" styles, has an "iron wire" set for internal training. Shaolin also has its own version of taijiquan. Xing Yi is more "internal", but it is also pyhsically demanding if you're serious about its practice.
One of the many key differences between external and internal styles is simple. At some point all styles incorporate Qi Gong exercies into the training (when serious).
Any system that has "wartime" routines that cannot be used in "peacetime" to cultivate Qi, is not internal but an external art. For example, a stretching posture in an external system would not provide the capability of Qi sinking to the dan-tian while at the same time maintaining intention connectivity, thus making it a the external art.
China had its own beginnings in Mixed Martial Arts. After centuries of battle and warfare, and fighting has developed from a brutal survival skill to a stage of a highly developed art grounded in laws of the universe.
I don't do martial arts yet, and I'm wondering about which one I should do. First, would a normal kung fu school teach equally internal and external forms? (internal meaning connected to wudang, external meaning connected to shaolin)? I agree with your opinion on Xingyiquan, but I also believe you must also balance this with external practice.
Go to a good Muay Tai school for inclose fighting and BJJ for ground with some Karate for kicking. Kungfu schools are warped like Tai Chi with a lot of mind of matter crap.
oh for crying out loud, do you really think you're going to change my mind? Ihave sen Muay thai BJJ, and other MMA fights, and I must say I am unimpressed. I was really asking someone who could answer that question rather than endorse one that I obviously don't care about.
"Too much horsing around with unrealistic stances and classic forms and rituals is just too artificial and mechanical, and doesn't really prepare the student for actual combat. A guy could get clobbered while getting into this classical mess. Classical methods like these, which I consider a form of paralysis, only solidify and constrain what was once fluid. Their practitioners are merely blindly rehearsing routines and stunts that will lead nowhere."
Bruce Lee was commenting the "communist" forms of wushu, that were body practising more than martial art. I don't think BL knew much about real wushu from China, since lot of masters were unknown or simply jailed by the communist regime.
Sorry YOU don't know and neither do I, BUT doesn't it apply to ALL unrealistic stances I.E the guy above? Would anyone really benefit in a fight from hopping around on one foot? OR would you "get clobbered while messing around " with windmill exercises and one leg weak ass front kicks. Be honest instead of buying things hook line and sinker
i think the reason most people have a problem with traditional chinese martial arts is because they fail to grasp the real purpose of all those fancy forms. For starters, Xing Yi is an internal form, so its not only meant for fighting, but also for strengthening your inner qi. The purpose of practicing all those forms is also for muscle memory. In a real fight situation, you're not going to revert to those classic forms but you will know how and when to use them properly.
so in a fight you'll remember to swat at someone with a weak slap or hop on a leg or basically look ridiculous???
Qi or life force cannot be controlled like you think. The mind has a LOT of power but it is not some special healing power or super power that MOST of you believe. If so then the toughest fighter in the world could weight 110 lbs if he were a SUPER qi master right?
You wrong, ever herd of David and Goliath, You can master your CHI or inner energy and be able to break bricks or metal, Qi gong is the mastering of Qi and Mind and when both are in control you have Sen Sen Nosen - Basically you can win the fight even before you enter the arena
Have you actually met a real teacher of xing-I? Doubt it!! Really doubt it. Their are not many. Why? Because they don't wan to waste their time with close minded people. Learning it and mastering it, takes years. Remember this styles were created in times of war and were meant to train you to kill not submit or K.O. you. By the way, if you observe Bruce Lee fight he uses a lot of wing chun!! Everything from defending to counterpunching.
"Would anyone really benifit in a fight from hopping around on one foot?"
If you practiced the pracitcal use for ANY of these moves shown above, yes. Some people choose to only practice forms, which, like lepivert said, is the communist form of wushu that can not be used in fighting. But, kung fu is trained first in forms, then in applications. If you practice both, you will be a very lethal fighter.
Well, it is MARTIAL ART, so "winning" really means killing the enemy. So all the arts that do not have that as the end, really are sports. They are the WAYS of Aiki, Ju, Karate--not the arts thereof!
You should check out MMA china - they truly show why its stupid to be the first on the ground, cause every fight I saw, the first guy on the ground, got pummelled with stomps and punches - practice takedown defense
One of my Kung-Fu buddies also practices JiuJitsu and/or wrestling. He says if I ever got taken down by someone I really wouldn't like it. There's no doubt that MMA is very effective as a martial art and the arguments as to what is the best is moot, as "It is the person who makes the art" and not the other way around.
It is said that Hsing-I fighters "kick you with their hands". I can assure you that if this man hit you hard that all of your bones would turn to jelly. Also, some of those pulling moves would rip your arm or leg out of socket or tear flesh from your body. This is not to say that some MMA on roid rage would lose, he might win, but with some body parts missing. But if you would put up an MMA fighter of the same weight class, I'd put my money on the Hsing-I man anyday!
in a street fight possibly. in the octagon i'd give the edge to the mma fighter. i know an internal arts instructor who beat a bjj black belt like 3 out of 3 times rolling, on the ground mind you. simply because sport fighters never protect their sack! lol
True That! In China they say the Bu Te martial master can bite you with his ass! He can rip off you arm and shove it in your ear, like the cheesy-stuff from betwixt your toes and head-butt you in the nads before you even feel it! This is true martial mastery!
True, only Sistah Cleo has REAL psychic power. And only Domino's uses REAL cheese in their Pizza. Grandpappy Amos was the REAL McCoy. And Al Gore is the REAL Father of the Internet. What the hell is a pbotsis???
My teacher of TCMA trained with a former Colonel in the People's Liberation Army of China, and was a veteran (including shrpnel scars from US bombs) of the Ho-Chi-Minh trail.
This guy would have FUCKED UP any UFC twit, because I am afraid there is a big diff erence between sports (like UFC) and killing!
Girl, you know it's fake, just like "rasslin'"...why do yaw want to roll around with hairy sweaty men?? That just seems so....well... dont ask dont tell I guess!
Getting hit by these strikes by very good practioners hurts like hell, it won't stop you, there is no more you to stop, just a hard slap on my forearm truly felt as broken
duuurrhhh...do you think a well disciplined kung fu master is going to teach their moves to someone who wants to use it only for the sake of winning? They only use it when they have to (or, like here, in a demonstration). So, that's why kung fu masters like those portrayed here never enter the ring.
well, there you have it...BAD internal arts practitioners, unlike the kind I am talking about, like the ones in this video. And I know that boxers can put up good fights, it's just that they would never learn kung fu to win fights with.
another reason is (im not taking either side)...most of what would allow a traditional artist to win is ..ironically... illegal. most mmatists would tell you its because it doesnt work, actually it is because it DOES work, too well. that is..IF you can get there. which is another argument.
I KNEW IT! Eventually they always come out of the closet. It's okay man, we won't hate you. I am sure there must be lot's of gays that like the UFC and wrestling. I said dont ask dont tell, but you guys always have to tell it anyway. How was Mardi Gras?? HAHAHAH!
huh? how is that supposed to show ANYTHING? No offense but there is no way to see that as anything more than slick moves. just like the hopping goof above. It looks moe like dance than fighting. NO one fights hopping around or to music like that!
Yeah sure they are SOOOOOO mystical and magical !!Much like psychics who can never use they powers to win a horse race or locate sunken treasure etc. wYou fall for that bs? What are you 12?
I enjoyed that more as it went on - near the beginning I thought "what the hell?" when he was doing those hopping strikes and kicks, but after that it was quite photogenic. It's a pity nobody seems to teach xingyi here; it looks promising.
The "spring like " movements are part of the Lung Xing, or dragon form. More than anything else, it develops power, speed and a springing strength in the legs.
f you know Lung Xing, then this is just an extension of the more basic movement.
Thanks RagingUtai, I hadn't heard of this before. I did a few years of Choy Lay Fut training and, while I feel like I've picked up a _tiny_ degree of qi skill, it's pretty much only in this "old ox" foot/leg/waist/shoulders movement.
So it's very exciting to see other methods of generating and manipulating qi.
Yeah I believe that too...however I believe that some of the Southern Shaolin animal styles out today are hybrid or differentiated,because they have different animal styles in it;Shaolin animal styles(or at least the origional styles)should have their own movents in it,you shouldn't see Snake techniques in Crane or the Phoenix Eye Fist in Dragon,However the substyles(Xing Yi,Wing Chun,Choy Li Fut etc)do.They use the Shaolin Five animals system to compliment their own movement.
(continued)sorry I think I contradicted myself at the last question I made to you two weeks ago.I meant to say does the substyles(styles coming after S.Shaolin)have all mixtures in it.
yes it is. Go to wikipedia, look up shaolin temple. It tells you that asian martial arts in general were developed when a man named Bodidharma traveled to shaolin to find all the monks there weak from meditating. So he worked together with them to create exercises, which eventually evolved into martial arts.
hmmm...I wonder why EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON ON THE PLANET think that too! Unless they had some hairbrained idea, but if they did no one else heard about it. Some favorites of mine are "alexander the great brought them down on his expeditions," and it jus appeared 5000 years ago."
thank you for posting this , its hard to find real xing yi on youtube , and all of his forms are the authentic ones, again thanks , i enjoyd watching this
I was at BeiYu in Feb-Mar 2006. I did not see him. But I was training with Zhang Sheng-Yi (Chen style). We met at the small Chinese garden across from the Ran Ran Shaw building.
So many wonderful arts to study, but so little time.
IIRC xingyi's basic moves are: str8 punch mid-level, 45 degree-uppercut, chop, inside ridge fist, and dragonmouth strike. The forms are based on 5 elements and 12 animals.
now if you started reading this dont stop its really scary!ok send this to five other videos in 143 minutes. when you are done press F6 and your crushes name will appear on the screen in big letters this is weird because it does work. If you break this chance you wont have a crush in the next five years
The video states in Chinese Text, Shanxi Branch, Henan Branch, and Hebei branch, and then focuses the rest of the video half on the Hebei and half on the Shanxi.
Internal Styles will use kicks but do not rely on them as a main form of attack. Most kicks are no higher than the knee. In basic bagua stepping you can use your foot work to uproot, knock down, or even injure by stepping behind the opponent foot and pressing your knee into theirs.
(Directed to pbotsis)If you don't believe this stuff works in a street fight, then type in ''Xingyiquan applications'' posted by ''whatsyournameya'' and you'll shut your mouth cause everyone knows Xingyiquan pwns MMA.
over twenty years in martial arts now and still the same problem remains,the ego! all these confliting thoughts, who's better mma,karate,jujitsu,wrestling,taiji. do what i did dump the ego and learn them all!!! now i am very satisfied. they are now all one. because of this i have surpassed all my instuctors except one.
Christ jesus would you all stfu, it gets hard to concentrate on the video when everybodies arguing "UFC pwns all" "CHI IS REAL" etc etc. UFC sucks first of all, I've only ever seen a couple GOOD fights in the UFC, all I know is the UFC doesn't do fights like I wanna see it :p XingyiChuan is a cool art, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it (aka CHINAMAN!) they'd kill UFC faggots ;/ Almost any Chinese Martial Art will.
Note that I didn't bring BJJ into this at all; pmaugher did upon reading my profile. So this is not a "BJJ is better" pitch by me.
It's an attempt by several people here to discredit my own combat-proven system to validify their own system, which has never been proven as far as I can tell in any full-contact situation.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Also, pmaugher blatantly lied about knowing "several guys with blackbelts in BJJ and Judo" in an attempt to strengthen his argument.
Of course tying yourself up with an opponent makes you vulnerable to his friends. But if you're familiar with ground fighting, you can get out of a bad situation on the ground far more easily.
If you go to the ground, which is likely whether you want to or not, you better know what to do, and be able to get up fast. Especially with multiple opponents.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
well said, i agree. however it should be noted that the whole "90% of fights go to the ground" is grossly inaccurate according to police officers i know. and the ones that do usually only go down because noone knows how to stop it from going to the ground. but as you said, shit happens, maybe he's better than you, maybe you trip or slip on the mud or ice...you better at least have some idea of what to do down there.
kempobrad 3 years ago
Also, I could just as easily say that I know several XingYi masters who say it's totally ineffective in real life. So you saying you know blackbelts in both BJJ and judo who say it's useless is a stupid and probably fabricated argument.
Also, which BJJ blackbelt do you know? Because there aren't that many, so I'm sure I could investigate this.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
has anyone ever noticed all these internal masters are extremely large, larger than the average man. doesn't that make it easier for them to fa jin and defeat everyone around them. i thought internal martial arts were supposed to be for the smaller guy but i have never seen one small master with convincing fajin or power. all their fajin demonstrations are on much smaller guys, look at bruce kumar, wang shu jin, hung i hsiang and the gompa guy.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
I have seen many demonstrations and find it to be about fifty-fifty on whether or not the demonstrator is large or small.
Any person who calls themself xingyimaster1987should know better than to post a comment like that. Unless you are not a xingyi master. ;-)
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
well than i would appreciate it if you could direct me to the videos on youtube or wherever that show a smaller man doing real fajin on a larger man. and no i am not a xingyimaster, i have only been doing xingyi for 3 years. i just thought the name sounded cool. i still have a great respect for the art but am keeping my mind open to styles like bjj and wrestling which i have seen definetly work against much larger opponents.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
Look for videos with Sifu James McNeal. He is an internal stylist who specializes in Iron Palm Training, Splashing Hands, and, most of all, Xingyi. I'll see if I can't find some of him on youtube but I doubt it.
If you have your mind on wrestling or bjj try not to unless you have martial goals in competitive sport. BJJ and modern wrestling were built to be sport and aren't very effective in a life or death situation. Shuai Jiao (chinese grappling) could be an alternative for you.
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
BJJ was NOT built to be a sport. It was built to be a comprehensive fighting system for either sports purposes or self-defence. The fact that it has a competitive side is, if anything, a bonus.
Especially in MMA; it's the best possible place to test whether what you've been training hard in works under pressure. And when it does, it's an excellent confidence builder.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I am sure it is and you are correct partially, but BJJ was built by a sportsman for sport. Japanese Jiujitsu is far more utilitarian than BJJ, not that I'm touting either. It may not seem like it but I am not biased against BJJ. The beatings you take don't prepare you for the type of adverse effects induced by a real combat style.
Example: You are fighting outside a bar with someone who has had a few too many. He attacks you in some fashion and you land, I dunno, a hard takedown. cont...
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
A sportsman for sport? Carlos and Helio Gracie modified the art to be an all-encompassing self-defensive system, which works under pressure.
Japanese Jujutsu is kept alive, for the most part, by traditionalists who never test it under full-contact conditions.
And the beatings we take (which are really not beatings at all) DO prepare people for the realities of combat. It means you're used to a guy coming at you intending to hurt you or knock you out.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Incidentally, before you start raving about me coming on to this video and spouting abuse, I was directed here by a friend as evidence of the overall superiority of his art. I'm extremely disappointed.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
i understand why you don't appreciate xing yi quan from watching a video, xing yi aims to develop refined and even hidden power which you will not see in a video, please seek a xing yi quan master and ask to feel his beng. it is easy to talk about a video but when have you experienced the pain a xing yi man can cause?? xing yi has been tried and tested in military combat and trust me it works. may not look powerful but i assure you it is!
ukguy 3 years ago
Honestly I think an experience martial artist no matter the style should be able to pick up on the unseen power in the syle. Ive taken classes on mostly external styles and trained on internal myself because I cant find an internal teacher around my area, but I can still pick up on the unseen power. You can see if you watch closely and understand body mechanics and qi.
pmaughmer 3 years ago
yeah thats true. i have read in books there are masters who can just put there hand on you and without moving and send someone flying through chi power, however after watching all the masters wang shu jin, bruce kumar i don't believe such power is possible. with all these masters you can actually see some movement, even though it maybe slight.
xingyimaster1987 3 years ago
this is...preposterously far from an effective fighting system.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
because quick jabs to the neck do nothing. The person is going slow for demonstration, if he wanted to go fast he would be able to kill quickly and efficiently.
b5201 3 years ago
What do jabs to the neck have to do with anything?
Also, to kill quickly and effectively, you first have to survive. A person utilising this art would not survive for long.
Secondly, what proof do you have that he would be able to kill quickly and effectively. Have you done it? When was the last time this gentleman killed somebody?
Thirdly, I wasn't aware there was a line between killing effectively and killing ineffectively. I would say if the guy is dead, it was fairly effective.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
if you tried to grapple a xing yi I swear they will gouge your eyes, and if you try boxing a master, there skull will be harder than your fist. It's nei gung. zhan zhang will make a xing yi artist almost invincible.
kimoodo 3 years ago
As for this comment, this is absolute and utter crap. Any fighter can gouge your eyes. Any kickboxer, karateka, BJJ player, judoka, anyone. If your martial art is based purely around eye gouging with no delivery system, then it's crap. This argument is commonly used by idiots.
It doesn't matter how hard your skull is, if you're hit hard enough to concuss your brain, lights out for you.
No fighter is almost invincible.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
The eye gouging vs grappling crap has been tested repeatedly and has been proven to be bullshit. Also, tai-chi which is another of the three main internal arts is 80% grappling, even if it's stand up. Are you saying that eye gouging negates almost all of the art? Then again that's for full contact fighting brutes, r33l tai-chi revolves around chi blasts...
Oh, and I don't see all that many broken skulls in boxing, mainly concussions from your brain bouncing in that hard skull of yours :)
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
Edit: So sorry. I now realise the error in my ways. I am now absolutely certain that if he wanted to go fast, the air around him would surely stand no chance at all.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
watch?v=uP5OEjYVzKQ&feature=related skip to 2:15, you fail.
b5201 3 years ago
Oh my. Believe me, that video proves my point more than it does yours. In fact, YOU fail. So hard. LARPing, lunge punching, unrealistic techniques against unrealistic opponents; techniques performed whilst leaving your vital points wide open, in the blind belief that while performing the technique the opponent will be so stunned by your manly prowess that he will stand helpless while you lengthily LARP the hell out of them.
Also, attackers look like 4 year old Wing Chun practitioners. Jesus.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Still pretending your windpipe can't be crushed?
b5201 3 years ago
Well, you're welcome to try, but I guarantee you won't be able to for two reasons; first, you couldn't even if I let you. And second, any decent defensive posture involves tucking the chin and shrugging the shoulders a little to protect the chin, neck and ears.
Still pretending you're hardcore?
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
so you think in a combat situation, bjj will be effective against multiple attackers, or when using kickboxing they won't be in an guard and won't fight you 100% randomly in the street. Imagine this, when being attacked in the streets are people throwing haymakers or fighting with a full guard if you look harmless?
kimoodo 3 years ago
So instead you'll try to use something fancy which relies on fine motor movement which you've never tested under pressure and get killed?
So I guess you read my profile. First of all, yes. People will attack you if you're not in a guard. Secondly, no martial art is effective against multiple attackers. Especially not one which does not equip you with the ability to cope with stressfull situations.
BJJ is useful for turning a bad situation (being on the ground) into a slightly better situation.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
BJJ is unrealistic against multiple attackers, while your trying to tap out one guy your gonna get stabbed etc etc. I know several guys who have bb in BJJ ju jitus or judo that say its not that effective in real life and its not. Ive studied it, and the only thing that works is taking your opponent out fast instead of dry humping him on the ground with your back open to every one and every thing.
pmaughmer 3 years ago
What an incredible amount of fail in one argument. No martial art is effective against multiple attackers. Only the 100m sprint is effective in that situation.
Grappling = sex joke not only isn't funny, but it broadcasts your incredible ignorance about everything related to grappling, along with your "trying to tap" comment.
Remember that people tap to stop from being choked unconscious or having a limb broken..
You've studied it? Where? For how long? I think you're lying.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I have studied BJJ and the less watered down Japanese Jiujitsu. The point I think that pmaughmer is trying to make is that tying yourself up with an opponent only makes you vulnerable to his allies.
Some of my training mates and I used to visit gyms where we knew they taught MMA just so we could prove our point and, frankly, make fun of them. In the end we just felt bad about how we acted. It turned out good though because we wound up getting some new students.
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
Some of my training mates and I used to visit gyms where we knew they taught Xingyi just so we could prove our point and, frankly, made fun of them. In the end we just felt bad. It turned out good, though, because we wound up getting some new students.
My story is just as verifiable as yours. Difference is, I'm certain if you'd participated in sparring, you'd have lost far more students than you'd have gained.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I suppose I see your point but you adaptation of my anecdote left out something fairly important. I have actually trained BJJ and Japanese Jiujitsu. I wasn't making any knock against the style, I was just using life experience to knock the sport mentality. It isn't so much that MMA styles are lacking, but their way they're taught and the mentality taught is. My master tells us that the fighter fights and the killer kills. Sportsman are fighters, my mates and I are not.
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
The only difference in mentality is that:
1. Sports fighters are trained to take hits, and therefore their psychological impact is lessened,
2. Sports fighters are used to continuing to fight even when badly hurt.
Therefore, they are in fact better for mental training than an art in which you are not used to fighting. A sports fighter will be prepared to endure more pain in search of victory, because they need to do so in every match.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Your mates and you are killers? Expect the boys in blue, imminently.
jimbomckeckney 3 years ago
This is an excellect video. Getting to see everything put together is great. Now I have something for review. I've been at this form for almost 2 years. Learning slowly. Very slowly. I can only dream to eventually be half as good as this guy.
bab5lon 3 years ago
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Good how's your moms cunt after that last pounding
mashed mas man
pbotsis 3 years ago
Cool video, although I'm learning Tai-Chi in Taiwan. Still, I sometimes want to learn how to do 三體式樁。 Sorry I wonder how to put that in English.
Taiwan168888 3 years ago
too bad i dont have any1 to practice fighting with :(
FFsilje 3 years ago
After I finish learning the new Yang long form, then old short form and sword form I would begin to learn this. It's going to be awesome to get to this point in my training. So far, I like what I see. I'm just ecstatic that get to eventually learn this. :)
Scott200 3 years ago 2
virtually all those strikes were focused at the nose, chest, and just below the sternum. At full power that martial art can cause considerable harm.
stardingo747 3 years ago 4
i like how its just straight forward and focuses on overwhelming an opponent with hand strikes and straight kicks
rockedbyrape 3 years ago
joli démo
fighter4684 3 years ago
best video
neo30001 3 years ago
this is pretty cool. i've never seen xing-yi quan in motion before. i am recognizing lots of tiger and snake style strikes. thanks for the upload.
AlienZygote010 3 years ago
thank you very very much
omantcom 3 years ago
Wow, that kid was awesome, how old is this video? is that person still alive? he'd be a great master by now i'm sure. His skills were breath taking, his moves so smooth, they flowed with out a thought.
NightOwlisaFox 3 years ago
Poetry In Motion
1948mmm 3 years ago 2
Excellent! A very nice demonstration of the classical forms. A lot of people have a misconception on the "internal arts". This video really shows the inherent power of Xing Yi Quan.A very vibrant and practical system. Little wonder why it was used by bodyguards in China. Thanks for the vid!
CatholicWarrior 3 years ago
形意拳太好了！ 我要学习！ :)
Manchuriancandidate 3 years ago
This is definately the best Hsing Yi clip I have seen.
Mindboxing 3 years ago
This is nice!! Very nice!!
Hsing-I is a very effective style and very powerful!!
silatk 3 years ago
nice!
punadoman 3 years ago
Yeah right, Bruce Lee's Play fighting on Camera is for SHOW, for a MOVIE . Of course he's going to over dramatize and make things look , Did you REALLy think he's going to be doing flips and fight twenty guys at once? as Mr. Lee said-"Too much horsing around with unrealistic stances and classic forms and rituals is just too artificial and mechanical, and doesn't really prepare the student for ACTUAL combat"
pbotsis 3 years ago
Apparently you've never seen a xingyi applications video. Of course you can't expect people to fight exactly like you see in this video. They are doing exercises to help them improve things like coordination and timing, which will help you to learn the ACTUAL kung fu techniques and be a good fighter in the end.
H2Zman 3 years ago 3
Not all martial arts training consists of just learning the moves. If you want to see the actual moves practices, however, I suggest you search "xingyiquan applications" and click on the first video you see. But, as for forms practices, you actually have to think about what they are really practicing before you can say they can't fight, because the typical american way of everything being obvious does not exist in Forms practices.
H2Zman 3 years ago 3
using techniques from forms or sequences and translating them into fighting isnt too hard. I practice the internal arts and external arts of shaolin. I also train san shou and BJJ. Ive been in alot of matches, so I can attest that xing yi quan does work! Especially Pi quan (metal) and the wood element.
randyds5 3 years ago
the thing is tho is that the forms arn't meant to be used in fighting, they just teach you the principles of the application, because in the application you use more "freestyle"
dragMANwoot 3 years ago
is xingyi a fast or slow art and does it teach weapons
shaolintemplemonk 4 years ago
Hsing-I does teach weapons, yes. As for being fast or slow, much benefit can come from practicing slowly. Hsing-I is an internal art requiring much subtle dexterity and if done only fast, would be very difficult to master. However in application it is very fast.
Panpiper 4 years ago
It is said that xingyi is equally internal and external. It is extremely dynamic, so moves from fast to slow very quickly, from my experience.
romansampo 3 years ago
Thank Yuo, Very Much for this Post! I remember when my Taichi Chuan master teach us the Right Line Tao and the Curve Line Tao. When I could see in You Tube the Xing Hi and Pakua demostrations I could understand the giant treasure that my Master put in my hands. Thank you, Master, for your teachings and thank you to God for put me this great Master!
tockoriusoschael 4 years ago
Amaizing thank you alot (=
BLOFFERR 4 years ago
asianamerican68: I'm with you one hundred percent. I teach traditional mantis in Cheng Du, China and have a TCM research corporation. Its coming. Contact me, lets talk about promoting these arts and preserving them for the future.
8stepsifu 4 years ago
How about BOOK of DIT DA JOW?
Like anything else, there are many different versions. Is there such book in English? With High Resolution Color photos and name (in Chinese and English) of each of the herbal ingredients, and sources for them?
AsianAmerican68 4 years ago
I hope the MEDICAL and HEALTH aspects of Chinese KUNG FU can be covered too. Knowledge of Human Body can be used for promoting Good Health.
EASTERN Medicine has a lot to share with The WEST. Learn and make use of both.
AsianAmerican68 4 years ago
Even though Chinese KUNG FU is not an Olympic Sport, I hope China will have a National Demonstration Team, sometime during the 2008 Olympics, show the World just how good Chinese Kung Fu can be.
Wouldn't that be nice? We could all enjoy watching what's been developed in one of the World's oldest Culture!
AsianAmerican68 4 years ago
Now that CHINA is on the UPSWING, I hope each body of KUNG FU knowledge can be documented and preserved for present and future generations of people who wish to study and acquire the skill. Let's not lose any more knowledge for all the wrong reasons.
AsianAmerican68 4 years ago
Pbotsis, there is nothing mystical about internal power, though most who practice it think there is. In truth though, one can in fact generate a surpisingly shocking blow using principles practiced by Hsing-I techniques and the like. If you are ever in Montreal, look me up and I'll demonstrate for you (through a phonebook preferably). No, this is not a fight challenge, I'm not saying "I can beat you up" or anything, just a demo.
Panpiper 4 years ago
External power is like a baseball bat. Internal power is more like a whip. This is not to say that you should be limp, but you must be relaxed and flexible until the instant of impact. It is not a piston action, but as the power of a piston does not come from the rod, neither does a Fajin punch come from the arm. It starts in the lower belly and ripples outward with the whole body contributing. The ripple builds into a wave that crests in the fist. Fajin.
Panpiper 4 years ago
To be honest Bruce was taught from the most basic classical martial arts before he could perform water like motions with his martial arts, You have to practice the classical before you can comprehend the even similar movements; The classical way can let you see weaknesses in your enemy, you will be very quick to defend yourself if you study these movements, I have used them when people put there hands on me, or I at least try to
itsadeadmansparty 4 years ago
Actually the most important consideration has definitely got to be the Sifu and the school culture. Get a Sifu who's humble, open-minded, logical, reasonable and whose goals are the same as yours (are you looking for something with culture, health, self-defence, spirituality, combat sport, sport wushu or a combination of these?). Unfortunately you'll have to look and ask around personally. Hope this helped.
Silentium13 4 years ago
thank you very much. It really helped. Sorry about the late reply, for some reason I haven't been getting email notifications...
H2Zman 4 years ago
(to H2zman) You're welcome. Just to add a bit more, I have heard a saying that in kungfu, both the external and internal will eventually meet, just that the practitioner trains a different path. External arts first train the muscles, sinews and bones, eventually giving way to smoother, softer and rounder movements as one gains technical profeciency (internal). Internal arts first cultivate breathing, flexibility and timing, eventually resulting in a strong body and external applications.
Silentium13 4 years ago
Oh, one last thing, please don't let pbtosis put you off Muay Thai, BJJ and Karate. There will always be some complementary skills that can be adopted, or the same movements can have interesting different applications. Some of these arts (especially a number of karate schools) have common ancestry with kungfu. You'll be amazed at the benefits you can get from cross-training or friendly sharing with open-minded people.
Silentium13 4 years ago
It is generally safe to say that most kung fu styles will have external training balance internal training, just that the focus or the development may favour one over the other. If you are still concerned, you can start with one school first, then cross train in another school later. The basic stances and movements will generally still be the same.
Silentium13 4 years ago
Hi H2Zman, it's a bit hard to answer that question because kung fu can't exactly be seperated into internal/external, they are almost always balanced. Even Hung Gar, one of the more "external" styles, has an "iron wire" set for internal training. Shaolin also has its own version of taijiquan. Xing Yi is more "internal", but it is also pyhsically demanding if you're serious about its practice.
Silentium13 4 years ago
One of the many key differences between external and internal styles is simple. At some point all styles incorporate Qi Gong exercies into the training (when serious).
bigsith 4 years ago
CONT.
Any system that has "wartime" routines that cannot be used in "peacetime" to cultivate Qi, is not internal but an external art. For example, a stretching posture in an external system would not provide the capability of Qi sinking to the dan-tian while at the same time maintaining intention connectivity, thus making it a the external art.
bigsith 4 years ago
China had its own beginnings in Mixed Martial Arts. After centuries of battle and warfare, and fighting has developed from a brutal survival skill to a stage of a highly developed art grounded in laws of the universe.
HanCavalry 4 years ago
I don't do martial arts yet, and I'm wondering about which one I should do. First, would a normal kung fu school teach equally internal and external forms? (internal meaning connected to wudang, external meaning connected to shaolin)? I agree with your opinion on Xingyiquan, but I also believe you must also balance this with external practice.
H2Zman 4 years ago
Go to a good Muay Tai school for inclose fighting and BJJ for ground with some Karate for kicking. Kungfu schools are warped like Tai Chi with a lot of mind of matter crap.
pbotsis 4 years ago
oh for crying out loud, do you really think you're going to change my mind? Ihave sen Muay thai BJJ, and other MMA fights, and I must say I am unimpressed. I was really asking someone who could answer that question rather than endorse one that I obviously don't care about.
H2Zman 4 years ago
"Too much horsing around with unrealistic stances and classic forms and rituals is just too artificial and mechanical, and doesn't really prepare the student for actual combat. A guy could get clobbered while getting into this classical mess. Classical methods like these, which I consider a form of paralysis, only solidify and constrain what was once fluid. Their practitioners are merely blindly rehearsing routines and stunts that will lead nowhere."
BRUCE LEE
pbotsis 4 years ago
Bruce Lee was commenting the "communist" forms of wushu, that were body practising more than martial art. I don't think BL knew much about real wushu from China, since lot of masters were unknown or simply jailed by the communist regime.
lepivert 4 years ago
NO, he was talking about what he had seen in Hong Kong and the United States.
rinehartvictim 3 years ago
Sorry YOU don't know and neither do I, BUT doesn't it apply to ALL unrealistic stances I.E the guy above? Would anyone really benefit in a fight from hopping around on one foot? OR would you "get clobbered while messing around " with windmill exercises and one leg weak ass front kicks. Be honest instead of buying things hook line and sinker
pbotsis 4 years ago
i think the reason most people have a problem with traditional chinese martial arts is because they fail to grasp the real purpose of all those fancy forms. For starters, Xing Yi is an internal form, so its not only meant for fighting, but also for strengthening your inner qi. The purpose of practicing all those forms is also for muscle memory. In a real fight situation, you're not going to revert to those classic forms but you will know how and when to use them properly.
getanoxygentank 4 years ago
so in a fight you'll remember to swat at someone with a weak slap or hop on a leg or basically look ridiculous???
Qi or life force cannot be controlled like you think. The mind has a LOT of power but it is not some special healing power or super power that MOST of you believe. If so then the toughest fighter in the world could weight 110 lbs if he were a SUPER qi master right?
pbotsis 4 years ago
You wrong, ever herd of David and Goliath, You can master your CHI or inner energy and be able to break bricks or metal, Qi gong is the mastering of Qi and Mind and when both are in control you have Sen Sen Nosen - Basically you can win the fight even before you enter the arena
itsadeadmansparty 4 years ago
pbotsis,
Have you actually met a real teacher of xing-I? Doubt it!! Really doubt it. Their are not many. Why? Because they don't wan to waste their time with close minded people. Learning it and mastering it, takes years. Remember this styles were created in times of war and were meant to train you to kill not submit or K.O. you. By the way, if you observe Bruce Lee fight he uses a lot of wing chun!! Everything from defending to counterpunching.
silatk 3 years ago
"Would anyone really benifit in a fight from hopping around on one foot?"
If you practiced the pracitcal use for ANY of these moves shown above, yes. Some people choose to only practice forms, which, like lepivert said, is the communist form of wushu that can not be used in fighting. But, kung fu is trained first in forms, then in applications. If you practice both, you will be a very lethal fighter.
H2Zman 3 years ago
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So, how are the hair plugs working out?
mahasamatman69 3 years ago
stupid question, what is MT?
H2Zman 4 years ago
Well, it is MARTIAL ART, so "winning" really means killing the enemy. So all the arts that do not have that as the end, really are sports. They are the WAYS of Aiki, Ju, Karate--not the arts thereof!
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
You should check out MMA china - they truly show why its stupid to be the first on the ground, cause every fight I saw, the first guy on the ground, got pummelled with stomps and punches - practice takedown defense
djchangsta 4 years ago
One of my Kung-Fu buddies also practices JiuJitsu and/or wrestling. He says if I ever got taken down by someone I really wouldn't like it. There's no doubt that MMA is very effective as a martial art and the arguments as to what is the best is moot, as "It is the person who makes the art" and not the other way around.
renaissancemang1 4 years ago 2
It is said that Hsing-I fighters "kick you with their hands". I can assure you that if this man hit you hard that all of your bones would turn to jelly. Also, some of those pulling moves would rip your arm or leg out of socket or tear flesh from your body. This is not to say that some MMA on roid rage would lose, he might win, but with some body parts missing. But if you would put up an MMA fighter of the same weight class, I'd put my money on the Hsing-I man anyday!
renaissancemang1 4 years ago
in a street fight possibly. in the octagon i'd give the edge to the mma fighter. i know an internal arts instructor who beat a bjj black belt like 3 out of 3 times rolling, on the ground mind you. simply because sport fighters never protect their sack! lol
kempobrad 4 years ago
True That! In China they say the Bu Te martial master can bite you with his ass! He can rip off you arm and shove it in your ear, like the cheesy-stuff from betwixt your toes and head-butt you in the nads before you even feel it! This is true martial mastery!
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
you guys a eall so ridiculous .. you probably think Chris Angel uses REAL psychic power too !
pbotsis 4 years ago
True, only Sistah Cleo has REAL psychic power. And only Domino's uses REAL cheese in their Pizza. Grandpappy Amos was the REAL McCoy. And Al Gore is the REAL Father of the Internet. What the hell is a pbotsis???
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
a pbotsis is what bangs your mom and oes a superman on her
pbotsis 4 years ago
You must be about 10 yrs old, so I am not coming to discuss adult topics with you. Ho back to your nintendo before you get grounded, girl!
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
My teacher of TCMA trained with a former Colonel in the People's Liberation Army of China, and was a veteran (including shrpnel scars from US bombs) of the Ho-Chi-Minh trail.
This guy would have FUCKED UP any UFC twit, because I am afraid there is a big diff erence between sports (like UFC) and killing!
bcfsl 4 years ago
Hao hao! True that. UFC is all show. Real combat is quite different.
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
hahahahahahaaha keep believing even though you know it's not true
pbotsis 4 years ago
Girl, you know it's fake, just like "rasslin'"...why do yaw want to roll around with hairy sweaty men?? That just seems so....well... dont ask dont tell I guess!
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
Getting hit by these strikes by very good practioners hurts like hell, it won't stop you, there is no more you to stop, just a hard slap on my forearm truly felt as broken
jiajiang 4 years ago
If your a fly!! hahhha
Really why is it you NEVER see ANY MMA real street fights or pro boxers do these corn ball moves.
pathetic phonies
pbotsis 4 years ago
duuurrhhh...do you think a well disciplined kung fu master is going to teach their moves to someone who wants to use it only for the sake of winning? They only use it when they have to (or, like here, in a demonstration). So, that's why kung fu masters like those portrayed here never enter the ring.
H2Zman 4 years ago
Not really... But it needs to be trained hard before getting good.
And honestly, bad Internal Arts practitionners are really dicks... Where bad boxers can match during a real fight :)
But pbotsis, if you want, I can show you (I live in France, but am Ok to show you internal arts against MMA whenever you want)
UTproductions 4 years ago
well, there you have it...BAD internal arts practitioners, unlike the kind I am talking about, like the ones in this video. And I know that boxers can put up good fights, it's just that they would never learn kung fu to win fights with.
H2Zman 4 years ago
another reason is (im not taking either side)...most of what would allow a traditional artist to win is ..ironically... illegal. most mmatists would tell you its because it doesnt work, actually it is because it DOES work, too well. that is..IF you can get there. which is another argument.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Yes well-said! A bad boxer can beat a bad internal art fighter, without telling us anything about good fighters.
Stupid people (e.g. pbotsis) conclude that therefore all internal art fighters are weak, along with the internal arts themselves.
batlin 4 years ago
haaaaaa this blows
pbotsis 4 years ago
Like you blow your boyfriend no doubt!
pbotsis, you tell me where you are and i'll come kick your sorry ass.
paoquan 4 years ago
I'm in Rochester ny come on over tough guy Where are you at Pussy face
pbotsis 4 years ago
I'm in Rochester ny come on over tough guy Where are you at Pussy face
Oh I see your in Uganda right.... Probably really in Umama
pbotsis 4 years ago
Hmm, why the over the top macho stupidity, "pbotsis"?
Oh I see. You have no penis. Good luck with that.
batlin 4 years ago
yeah your dad bit it off with his Xingy yang powers . Hope he shared it with you cum face
pbotsis 4 years ago
I KNEW IT! Eventually they always come out of the closet. It's okay man, we won't hate you. I am sure there must be lot's of gays that like the UFC and wrestling. I said dont ask dont tell, but you guys always have to tell it anyway. How was Mardi Gras?? HAHAHAH!
YawBStoopit01 4 years ago
: Study of the occult, demonology, Gothism, Christianity, world evil, spiritual warfare, exorcism, paganism, writing
what a Fucking LOSER
pbotsis 4 years ago
Personal attack! Selfownage and Irony! - all of the above applies to me aswell.
MaBu888 4 years ago
No woder this Xingy crap apeals to you then. Your into the occult? gothism? and corny phony magic. rather than science and the REAL world .. how sad
pbotsis 4 years ago
Learn more about combat fighting,watch the ALAMID MARTIAL ART(alamid intro)and see how combatant strike works.
alamidtayra 4 years ago
huh? how is that supposed to show ANYTHING? No offense but there is no way to see that as anything more than slick moves. just like the hopping goof above. It looks moe like dance than fighting. NO one fights hopping around or to music like that!
pbotsis 4 years ago
Yeah sure they are SOOOOOO mystical and magical !!Much like psychics who can never use they powers to win a horse race or locate sunken treasure etc. wYou fall for that bs? What are you 12?
pbotsis 4 years ago
what kind of dance is this?
is this used to beat the children that do bad in school?
BboyChunGViN 4 years ago
Twat! If you know nothing keep your stupid mouth shut!
paoquan 4 years ago
where is the power from?
cimr99 4 years ago
I enjoyed that more as it went on - near the beginning I thought "what the hell?" when he was doing those hopping strikes and kicks, but after that it was quite photogenic. It's a pity nobody seems to teach xingyi here; it looks promising.
batlin 4 years ago
The spring like hopping movements is done to produce fajing or qi energy. Where as in tai chi they turn their waist and body to produce fajin energy.
RagingUtai 4 years ago
Thus the expression, "hopping mad." Hahaha
OctoBox 4 years ago
The "spring like " movements are part of the Lung Xing, or dragon form. More than anything else, it develops power, speed and a springing strength in the legs.
f you know Lung Xing, then this is just an extension of the more basic movement.
paoquan 4 years ago
Thanks RagingUtai, I hadn't heard of this before. I did a few years of Choy Lay Fut training and, while I feel like I've picked up a _tiny_ degree of qi skill, it's pretty much only in this "old ox" foot/leg/waist/shoulders movement.
So it's very exciting to see other methods of generating and manipulating qi.
batlin 3 years ago
no worries. but its been long, i cant remember the comment i wrote lol.
RagingUtai 3 years ago
Are you a martial artist(Gung fu)and would you say that all Southern styles(Shaolin)have every animal style in it?
classicalWC 4 years ago
ofcourse they do, even wing chun. All southern styles orginated from shaolin styles.
RagingUtai 4 years ago
Yeah I believe that too...however I believe that some of the Southern Shaolin animal styles out today are hybrid or differentiated,because they have different animal styles in it;Shaolin animal styles(or at least the origional styles)should have their own movents in it,you shouldn't see Snake techniques in Crane or the Phoenix Eye Fist in Dragon,However the substyles(Xing Yi,Wing Chun,Choy Li Fut etc)do.They use the Shaolin Five animals system to compliment their own movement.
classicalWC 4 years ago
(continued)sorry I think I contradicted myself at the last question I made to you two weeks ago.I meant to say does the substyles(styles coming after S.Shaolin)have all mixtures in it.
classicalWC 4 years ago
Bull shit!
Shaolin was a centre where people met and exchanged techniques. Not a place where the arts originate.
jeeeeesh....you probably think that those bald guys in safron robes are buddhist monks too.
paoquan 4 years ago
BULLSHITT, it has been well documented that martial arts was heavilly practised and and a part of life at the shaolin temple.
RagingUtai 4 years ago
yes it is. Go to wikipedia, look up shaolin temple. It tells you that asian martial arts in general were developed when a man named Bodidharma traveled to shaolin to find all the monks there weak from meditating. So he worked together with them to create exercises, which eventually evolved into martial arts.
H2Zman 4 years ago
Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia and try doing some real history research before speaking like an authority.
rizzotherat 4 years ago
hmmm...I wonder why EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON ON THE PLANET think that too! Unless they had some hairbrained idea, but if they did no one else heard about it. Some favorites of mine are "alexander the great brought them down on his expeditions," and it jus appeared 5000 years ago."
H2Zman 4 years ago
since when did meditation cause weakness? i can tell you firsthand that that is false.
1URESAM 4 years ago
thanks for this original peice
wajihalmasri 4 years ago
master zhang teaches xingyi everyday evening 5:00-8:00 in front of beijing language and culture university gym.. in wudaokou,,
mattbody1969 4 years ago
thank you for posting this , its hard to find real xing yi on youtube , and all of his forms are the authentic ones, again thanks , i enjoyd watching this
themightydutch 4 years ago
Thank you. I enjoyed this immensely. I have to start practicing again. A great art!
boblau 4 years ago
xing yi quan, the most practical chinese martial art!
waynehyl 4 years ago
I liked it. Thanks for pointing out the translation of some of the lettering. I recognized Pao quan at 1:36.. man I need to start practicing again.
rhendersWLU 4 years ago
master zhang teaches xingyi everyday 5:00-8:00 in front of beijing language and culture university gym..
mattbody1969 4 years ago
I was at BeiYu in Feb-Mar 2006. I did not see him. But I was training with Zhang Sheng-Yi (Chen style). We met at the small Chinese garden across from the Ran Ran Shaw building.
So many wonderful arts to study, but so little time.
boblau 4 years ago
IIRC xingyi's basic moves are: str8 punch mid-level, 45 degree-uppercut, chop, inside ridge fist, and dragonmouth strike. The forms are based on 5 elements and 12 animals.
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PIMPINLAD789 4 years ago
This is wu shu which requires a lot of time and gong fu to develop
Enerjen 4 years ago
The video states in Chinese Text, Shanxi Branch, Henan Branch, and Hebei branch, and then focuses the rest of the video half on the Hebei and half on the Shanxi.
Enerjen 4 years ago
this is no gong fu.
tomasStorek 4 years ago
this shanxi or hebei style??
jervis8784 4 years ago
Internal Styles will use kicks but do not rely on them as a main form of attack. Most kicks are no higher than the knee. In basic bagua stepping you can use your foot work to uproot, knock down, or even injure by stepping behind the opponent foot and pressing your knee into theirs.
TaoistSoldier 4 years ago
Hi there would you or somone be able to tell me the linerage of this gentlmens form many thanks.
lbmcr 4 years ago
I have a question for those of you know this type of Kung Fu. In Taichi, Bagua and Xingyi, do they use kicks?
HomedudePedroski 4 years ago
Watch carefully
ommmonet 4 years ago
nothing fancy, mostly straight forward stomps or low kicks and knees
explosiveturtle 4 years ago
alright.
HomedudePedroski 4 years ago
Yes, though what kicks and how many will sometimes vary depending on which branch it is.
ShaolinAvenger79 4 years ago
I see thanks.
HomedudePedroski 4 years ago
(Directed to pbotsis)If you don't believe this stuff works in a street fight, then type in ''Xingyiquan applications'' posted by ''whatsyournameya'' and you'll shut your mouth cause everyone knows Xingyiquan pwns MMA.
coolchiller5 4 years ago
This is a first class demonstration of Hebei Xing Yi Quan.
Whether a XYQ practitioner is able to beat a MMA practitioner is not important.
This is a video of an experienced practitioner performing well.
And unlike MMA he isn't rolling about on the floor with another sweaty man wearing nothing but a pair of tight pants! MMM is way too gay!
paoquan 4 years ago
over twenty years in martial arts now and still the same problem remains,the ego! all these confliting thoughts, who's better mma,karate,jujitsu,wrestling,taiji. do what i did dump the ego and learn them all!!! now i am very satisfied. they are now all one. because of this i have surpassed all my instuctors except one.
wealiquan 4 years ago
most of the people who practice MMA are nothing more then closet homosexuals....classic martial arts is where its at :)
jasonandtess 4 years ago
Christ jesus would you all stfu, it gets hard to concentrate on the video when everybodies arguing "UFC pwns all" "CHI IS REAL" etc etc. UFC sucks first of all, I've only ever seen a couple GOOD fights in the UFC, all I know is the UFC doesn't do fights like I wanna see it :p XingyiChuan is a cool art, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it (aka CHINAMAN!) they'd kill UFC faggots ;/ Almost any Chinese Martial Art will.
And one word for street fighting: Guns.
Eird 4 years ago
Eh, ignore pbotsis. Once he gets his ass kicked by a practitioner of XingYi, he'll realize it's real all right.
Shenorai 4 years ago