Say NO to one world government! This crap Zeit is for One World Government, that is well on its way. Meaning that we the people will have no rights and/or privacy! No religions, no freedom, nothing! We will have NOTHING! don't make them fool you!
When the time comes, it will happen. it is the only way the human race can go on. The path we travel now... the only outcome is extinction. you all comment on peter's dress code, why be so narrow minded? stop focusing on the small things and witness the bigger picture, pay attention to the message and use your grey matter.
When the times comes, it will happen. it is the only way the human race can go on. on the path we travel now, the only outcome is extinction. you all comment on peter's dress code, why be so narrow minded? stop focusing on the small things and witness the bigger picture, pay attention to the message and use your grey matter.
@uwmbigb The most ridiculous question in the list. Let's look for possible answers..
1) He protests the present society
2) He is honoring the death of Capitalism
3) He looks great in black
4) He doesn't have any other clothes
But my answer is,
5)Black is not a color. It doesn't reflect any light.It doesn't have any wavelength. We can conclude that Peter Joseph is not reflecting any other person's opinions but trying to guide us to reach our own perception on life.
@uwmbigb The most ridiculous question in the list. Let's look for possible answers..
1) He protests the present society
2) He is honoring the death of Capitalism
3) He looks great in black
4) He doesn't have any other clothes
But my answer is,
5)Black is not a color. It doesn't reflect any light.It doesn't have any wavelength. We can conclude that Peter Joseph is not reflecting any other person's opinions but trying to guide us to reach our own perception on life.
if there are no jobs. there is no entertainment which would need to people to have a job, or people making new inventions and so many other things. What are you humans going to 'DO'. Wouldn't life be boring?. We can't make machines to entertain us because machines don't have souls and never will. as Souls work on another plane of existence that bridges over to the physical realm through the brain like a gateway.
The only way I think this system could work is if we slavery I think. Thoughts?.
@athletichunta who says people can't make entertainment? -like theirs some policy of "noone can ever work". work is not work when you want to do it; that's the point; peoples energy is better spent creatively and freely than imposed by the need for means survival. you say slavery like we are now free. freedom deosn't mean anything. freedom is what we say it is. we are slaves to the system. we sel the time of our lives and the work of our bodies and minds just to survive.
i prefer independent countries to global control. independence is messy but freedom, global control is fascism. you people are crazy. you're advocating population control. people need to see through your shit. associated with lucis trust & the U.N. by any chance?
@2pac0110 I see where you are coming from. If you had a choice of being under the control of a world order in our current situation of an unsustainable way of living or under the control of a world order in a sustainable way of living. It would not be ideal but I believe most would choose the later, as it would be of a greater benefit to the earth and would give further time to address the issues we face.
Honestly, I don't really like this video. The music and the setting are so spooky... just as if we were some bigot cult of guerilla hippies promoting communist fascism with scientology propaganda concerning technocratic slavery of mankind for the sake of the occultist elite!!!1 :O
But... we aren't. Actually, I'm not - and as far as everyone can think for him/herself, it is OK. C:
Be creative: make your own summary of the movement from your perspective!
@willforrhall Decisions are ARRIVED at utilising automated technology and the scientific method used for social concern. The designing will be done by those who are able to do it and prove throuugh their expertise which is the most efficient, sustainable and intelligently functional means. When it comes to disagreements you need to be specific.
@willforrhall The desion to have children, just like any decision will be arrived at on an individual basis depending on whether a couple actually need a child. The traditionalised notion of having a child coz you self-servingly "want a family" will be a thing of the past. People will instead think about the impact accumilatively whether the planet can deal with ever more wantonly created life, which it can't. It will be self evident with no control. People will just be smarter about it.
@AAUTZM Who "needs" a child? Who makes this decision? And more importantly How are you going to force people to acept the decision? You dont really show how you are going to make people behave. And dont say that they are going to be educated into behaving
@willforrhall First of all it's not "collectivist" per sa, second, the idea of personal property will be a BURDEN in a system where you can travel wherever you want on the planet at zero cost or constraint, and do whatever you want as long as you don't cause a harm or loss to anyone, and where your needs are no longer a worry to be met.
@willforrhall None of it would be possible without an entire shift in our value systems. That's one thing that people keep overlooking. They think about an RBE in terms of valuing the same things, craving the same things, and consuming the same things. This is not the case. More than technology, more than architecture, more than the automation that frees humanity and provides for humanity, and RBE is about a new and altruistic value system. This in part will reform human behaviour.
@willforrhall As an addition to what I've just said, when we say there will be npo laws, what we mean is that we will culminate a value system which will dramatically reduce the NEED for laws and law enforcement. Eventually we will, given the altruistic values that we aim for eliminate the need for laws etc. altogether. That isn't to say that there won't be any means to deal with wrong-doing, but it'll be centred around getting to the root cause of that behaviour, and solving it there.
I implore you to take a closer look. A fully functioning Resource-based economy shouldnt have Police, Prisons, Trade, Debt, Labor-for-income, or opinionated politics... All of which exist in Communism
@autinspare he explains what that paradigm is...he just doesn't state that we live in a paradigm...because i guess you are pointing out that we always live within a paradigm...you didn't inlcude the entire sentence in your comment. Give it up.
For those who've joined or wish to join the movement, ZM is currently running a side project--we wish to gather about 25k members to participate in D-Wave's AQUA research project, through BOINC and for science!
BOINC is a volunteer grid computing system that uses your computer to solve problems. Simply put, you can help researchers with your idle CPU
for those who wish to learn more, Google "The Zeitgeist Movement title=BOINC"
@leetmaster88 Knowing our inner space and our outer space is imho only possible in how far one can experience these. The VP seems to care for much better surroundings for this than the actual system, but you still must be careful how much responsibility you give away. There are certain basics that can be taken care for by a system, like fresh water, electricity and other resources, but others should be taken personal, like the production of food. People would then have the space for such things.
@leetmaster88 I agree with the first statement, and Imho this part is a fantastic aspect and, as far as I understood, It is the core of VP. But this aspect allows a big variety of possible solutions, and the VP seems to deliver specialized solutions where other options could be considered. E.g. I am a fan of permaculture which I find much more beautiful than the greenhouses-towers that are presented.
What is more valuable than growing your own food and getting awareness of what you eat?
I liked their original film "Zeitgeist" (2007), and I think they are milking their fame for all it's worth. I personally think it's a good idea to offer up alternative ideas on how to solve the problem. However, they do come across as very "preachy" and elitist. I wonder however, if their idealism isn't naive, and needs to be tempered with the reality on the ground. Sometimes, passive resistance alone will NOT work! It would not have worked against Hitler, or any modern fascist system!
When you were a child, have you ever thought about something you would of really enjoyed or dreamed about, like when the teacher asked what would you like to be when you grow up? But as you grew older you found out that the harsh world around you kept you from being exactly what you wanted? Because of financial issues, where you were born etc? Imagine... the possibilities, no restrictions, nothing but TRUE choice, it's hard to imagine but once you get it, it'll blow you away....
I'd like somebody to correct me if I'm wrong. As I agree that 'the current system' is definitely not perfect I don't see any real solutions given in the zeitgeist films. Solutions mentioned are "creating systems that will do things right". In my understanding people are trying to create such systems all the time, the problem is not the will to do it but lack of actual practical solutions.
@kid29a I see where you're coming from. But the difference with TZM is that we advocate a complete overhaul of the system and in fact complete moving out of the monetary paradigm on a global level. This by the way has never been done. We have globally shifted in, but we've never globally shifted out.
For more solutions, that's just a case of you getting out there and looking for them.
"all who believe in God's Son [Christ Jesus] have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."
I'm extremely into this movement but one thing I can't understand is if money was removed from the world and the whole system talked about in the movie was implemented, then what would people do with their time? What would the point of living be? How would a world go around if everything was equally available and provided for everyone?
@GsBBoyDan Do a little research, this is talked about in a lot of different ways.
Imagine being able to go school and learn whatever you want, for free, on your own time.
Have you ever had a really amazing idea for an invention or anything artistic but lacked the funds or equipment to make this vision come true? These things would be open to you.
You could also work if you wanted to. You wanna be a carpenter? Go ahead!
probably go to school (for free) to acquire knowledge , when you were a child you never worried about money and YET you were curious about your environment .... I would volunteer for anything as long as we can have free time available ...
What I wanna know is: Why shouldn't I want the best things I can afford/get my hands on? I'm not sayin' ignore everyone else and not help out people who need it, but why should I deprive myself of the best life has to offer?
@TheplanBpill23 So you're telling me that you believe that everyone in the world would willingly give up their desire to have the best, home for example, that they could afford? Or, in this case, the best one they could get their hands on, since it's all free anyway?
Anybody interested in understanding how to reach that level of optimization that Peter talks about may want to read the writings of R. Buckminster Fuller. Particularly his book Critical Path.
Sigh, typical economic ignorance. Do the words tragedy of the commons mean anything? And just for one instant, look up "Stossel's Myths: Is Oil Truly Scarce?"
@GoingGoingGalt Ok Galt, i watched it. So Stossel would have us believe that oil can be extracted from Canadian tar sands for the low price of 15$ a barrel? WOW!! Thats a bargain man!! OK, The Saudis pump their's for 5$ a barrel, and right now, here in the US, our oil companies are so STUPID they are drilling in 5,000ft or more of water, in the OCEAN! They could just be scooping up that sand!! Mix it with a little hot water and... voila! I thought you were smarter than that Galt. *Sighs*
@iggerdanus Stalker, can you tell me of an energy source that is cheaper? You obviously missed his point- as oil in the Mideast becomes more expensive, the tar sands become a viable alternative. Your messages are rife with the Dunning-Kruger effect
@GoingGoingGalt You cannot sustainably have infinite growth and infinite and accelerating consumption on a finite planet. It's that simple. That isn't being economically ignorant. That's just seeing that our current economy simply doesn't ECONOMISE. lol The tragedy of the commons doesn't take into account an empirical guide for all processes, which should be, nature itself. And I even in secondary school i read that oil is "non-renewable" The drilling patterns prove its scarcity.
You know i have listened to his voice for 2 years now, and seeing him talk about what needs to be changed and what not and all i can think about is "my god he is so goodlooking!!". Is that wrong?
What would actually convince ppl that this is indeed the correct way to go is to actually build such a city, and to actually have it work., then you'd have a shining model to show to the skeptics and a legitimate basis to demand change. The real thing wouldn't be without challenges. Anyone volunteering to live in a such a place would have to be committed to the idea, as well as repeated attempts to see such a project be rendered a failure by the current masters of the system today.
...much as they want. Plus, if everything is just "available" everyone's gonna want they're own mansion. But if everyone has a mansion, where would the farms go? And who would clean up the garbage? Do you really think most people would do half the jobs out there if they weren't getting paid? Especially the dirty ones? My point? Money artificially limits what people can take without putting fascistic controls in place. It also encourages people to do the jobs they otherwise wouldn't want to. Mon
My response to that would be directly from Peter's words in the Zeitgeist Movement orientation video, and that is when everything is available at your finger tips with no value or reason to hold on to it other than basic materalistic wants like in our current society, there would be no reason to have it if that idea is removed from society.
Lemme see if I got this right: No money, everything is just "available" through "technology" (however THAT works). It's a nice idea on paper, but let's examine it a little. If everything is just "available" everyone will just take as much as they want until it's all gone. This instantly defeats the purpose of a "sustainable society". Now you could just make laws that say "limit (blank) per person", but you know damn well people in positions of power would rig things so they could still take as
@xXtheXmonsterXx that's how your raised to think, the bigger the better. If we lived in a resource based economy I personally wouldn't care for a mansion, and I am sure many others wouldn't either. And this number would increase in the generation raised in this economy.
@xXtheXmonsterXx you clearly dont get the point... this is just an idea... a theory. you dont have to take everything they say for a fact, use your head..
without wars development in almost all aspects would slow down, its just human nature to be the way we are, what your suggesting is to go against our instincts which is a good idea if it were possible
@xwsftassell oil isn't a fossil fuel? oh yeah I am sorry we aren't DIGGING it out of the GROUND, where it is stored. And there isn't a FIXED amount of oil within the Earth, no I am sorry you are 100% correct because you come forward with so much evidence for your statement.
Look at them!The betrayer humans and the retarded ET's in human disguises in the goverment that are using Earth's resources in the most wrong way possible!!!They are hurting Earth and are hurting us,humans while we are staring at them and doing nothing!And most of all...WE are stronger than them!
BLOODY PARASITES!I can't discribe how much i hate them.
if you can't watch those, than you have no hope. also look up what is "cognitive dissonance" cuz anyone who buys into zeitgeist has it, and has been tricked. peace out ppl.
@skkaa toss this useless shit out the window, acts of "god" are just simple kawinky dinks and peolpe are just stupid enough to think theres a bearded man in the sky watchin and keeping track of billions of humans lives. GOD is like fuckin santa clause for grown ups
"all who believe in God's Son [Christ Jesus] have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."
@ubitches420 I dont know anyone who believes that, but I do know many people who think CREATION came from nothing even though NOTHING in existence suggest thats even possible. Most people who believe in "GOD" understand that there are powers beyond us and unseen. The more we find out about life the more we find out we know NOTHING. The laws that govern our existance did NOT just form, the belief in "GOD" is more about TRUTH than falsehood, people corrupt this idea just like any other.
what if zeitgeist is a plot against us created by the illuminati and it's a conspiracy in a conspiracy in a conspiracy, i don't trust my own eyes or ears, or smell and taste for that matter. humor is real though
Such a survey of all earth's resources, all people's needs and wants, all possible sites for construction and so on is physically impossible. They have admitted in this video that in order to pull this off they would need a near omniscient knowledge of the earth and its people. This is exactly the argument against communism. Communism might work if you had near omniscience. Since this is impossible it is only the informal price system that enable anyone to know what to produce and how.
I know this is the mindset that will enable solutions: even if these are not exactly the direction we as a planet choose. THE epic point of the movement? That the supply and demand model of economy stands against sustainability. That by simply taking care of a problem over and over again we can still have money but by fixing it once and for all would kill our economy. We cannot have "world peace" or food forever, or business fails! Then business HAS failed. Grant us peace in our day. amen.
Question.... Having read several of Bucky's books... (Buchminster Fuller) and intending to read more yet... How does Zeitgeist differ from what Bucky discussed in books like Critical Path and Nine Chains to the moon... granted much of what Buckey address then could be considered 'dated' by today's standards... but I keep thinking that you guys are perhaps trying to build on what Bucky started... Yes? No?
if u really want to make a change then pay attention to whom you are giving power to like Walmart, Exon, Electric companies. Cut back on purchasing or buy things locally from a produce stand that money will stay local and the farmer would deeply appreciate it. Get envolved in your community. buy a local news paper and get envolved in your community from charity work to elections. And most important lead by example to our children because it takes generations to change all the wrongs. God bless
1st God said u wil work all the days of ur life because of ur (Adam and Eves)transgrations. I wish it would work but I don't think it will. u would have to be willing to take care of drug addicts and people that rape, kill, and all other types of scoundrols. face it. we have lost direction from god and the holy laws that gave us direction and a society that you talk of. Work gives us the direction we need without God. We strive to be better people and pass on morals and ethics to our sibling.
@AnotherAgnostic I am a metaphysical liberterian.Can you prove without a shadow of dought that there is no God. And if their isn't than I have along with millions of people on the world have manefested one. U do believe in the power of thought right. That is what the docu. is about right. Tell me AA are you a drug user. Would u tear down the prisons and allow a serial killing child malesting person live next to you in a society without restraints.
When you dislike the actual "status quo" you need to work on something different, but fiightiing against the actual "status quo" will result in nothing different, nothing new. The plurality of alternatives is infinit, so I see TZM as an option, but NOT as THE option...
Be creatiive, use your own mind, don't get stuck on an idea, because it is the first to appear good.
I do like the idea of a resource based economic system, but how does it differ to socialism (besides not using money)? And then without money, how do you determine things like who gets to live in the nice cities vs who gets to live in the drab rural baron areas? And who gets to take out the garbage vs who gets to be the glamorous jobs?
@rjthomas23 It doesn't differ from Socialism, it's pretty much the same. I think the Zeitgeist movement has recognised the stigma against the term "socialism" that was a result of Stalin hijacking the term for his dictatorship, and so avoid the term, but the two share a lot in common. These ideas have been around for a very long time, they are by no means original to the Zeitgeist movement.
@rjthomas23 Those questions you asked are important ones, that cannot be answered within the constraints of the character limit youtube allows. But such a system would require a paradigm shift among the majority of the human race. People would need to have solidarity, and be willing to put in some hard work in a shit location to better the human race. Remember, industrialisation and use of technology make all these things easier. Garbage trucks here use robotic arms to lift the bins, not people.
This Venus Project will never work! As you need HANDS(workers) and MINDS(thinkers) two different societies, one will always rule over the other and control and guide the weak...Hitler had the same vision of a Aryan One World Order
@SirVaughnElric You just have to look around the world today and see that some powerful man control WAR, FAMINE, POVERTY and ENSLAVEMENT on humankind...they will always want to be in control!
How do you make it even ground for everyone on this planet, from the janitor to the scientist???
How would you strip these trillioners of there wealth and power???
Venus Project is just a dream of perfect Garden of Eden, there are to many snakes in this world for that to ever happen.
@ssssskimannnnn Take a look at our history, we've lived without money before and we can do it again. Like the film mentions, there are fewer of them than there are of us, and we're waking up. Since the internet we've been growing more aware of their corrupt control. The Elite haven't been too smart when it comes to the internet. YouTube is only 5 years old and with that they've been exposed more than ever. Not only that but once we acknowledge the ET presence, we can move forward with them.
Recently I have been trying to explain The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement to my folks. Forwarding this to them will help illustrate to them this is not some wacky new-age nonsense.
@DownshiftDX it is though , except for the last part of course , it's the wacky new age SENSE that we desperately need
since on that subject , i find it funny how even understanding (or maybe they didn't and that's why) what the message is in this showing this (addendum actually) to my mom and such the response i was given was that this is even more reason to perpetuate the current system to become successful in it so that ppl will take me seriously when i show this to them
Love the Zeitgeist movement - don't love this video. When I listen to the podcasts of the Italian zeitgeist chapter I smile, feel positive and feel like we can do this!!!!! I feel inspired!!!! They had great success with their positive spirit=D When I watch this I don't get the same feeling, it's too dark and doesn't transmit positivity.
I think if this message can reach a person and they listen to it, they will have to admit - it makes a lot of sense! Who could possibly disagree? The message must be spread to all.
I think it might be good to cut the creepy ambient music. Its interesting sound design but mixed with the low key lighting it seems a bit too harsh and mysterious. This is certainly a hopeful solution, not something frightening or horrific. Great content though. Great production value.
I hope it comes true someday, where we all live together. A world where there is no more war, hate, and discrimination, because there is no more need to compete in that sense "to survive".
SOLUTION: we open the minds of everybody around as and make them change as we all have changed by watching zeitgeist1-2 and other vids. we can all together change slowly but effectively..." We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard" JFK
Sadly we still have to wait for fossil fuel to run dry or a new World War, cause without those two mankind will not stop their ways. UNLESS... we build our own nation and set an example.
Solution: Change the norm and make money ppl mental ill (as they really are), medicate them and give them psycological help and let the sane population for once take charge over the worlds resources..
@kaxitaksi Horrible sugestion man. That is exactly what the establishment through health care authorities is doing right now with people who are somehow critical of the government. They are calling them mentaly ill. They even came up with a name for it: "oppositional defiant disorder".
@tulio84z You totally did get everything what I wrote wrong m8. It's the establishment (government, rich parasites, corporations etc) who are calling ordinary ppl mental sick who are really mental ill, and should never been put in power in the first place. What I mean is we the ppl, declare the establishment mental ill and put them on medication. They really need it. They have failed about everything they have done in the last 2-300 years now and it's time for ordinary sane ppl to be in power.
@tulio84z You totally did get everything what I wrote wrong m8. It's the establishment (government, rich parasites, corporations etc) who are calling ordinary ppl mental sick who are really mental ill, and should never been put in power in the first place. What I mean is we the ppl, declare the establishment mental ill and put them on medication. They really need it. They have failed about everything they have done in the last 2-300 years now and it's time for ordinary sane ppl to be in power.
unfortunately, sanity in a money driven society especially in an interest and profit "earning" money driven society, sanity in it's inhabitants is a scarce resource. "Insane" people that get emotionally high from being wealthy and "powerful" will rather eat other people rather than give up their huge money cache. The future is cannibalism sadly.
@technatezin I don't agree, where I come from normal sane ppl who have the capacity to everything we need are all around us. The parasites (rich ppl) worst nightmare is this normal not insane ppl who have knowledge how to coop in everyday life, and we all have it :) and they don't :)) they just know how to make money from money, they have not a clue how to survive from day to day! U can't eat money. Thats the beauty of it and it's the way this sick society will eventually come down..
@kaxitaksi My friend i didn't misunderstood you. I know exactly what you mean but still find it absurd. To put people under medication for not agreeing with us is a totally despotic way of thinking even if they are what you call "money ppl". It's a very arrogant thing to assume that we got it right and that whoever disagrees with us must be mentally ill. That arrogance is shared by the global elites who are going after anyone who challenges the established order like i pointed out.
@tulio84z I don't think u understand at all.. a mental ill person has a mental illness and is sick and needs medication and/or other treatments. A healthy person does not need medication coz he's not mental ill, got it?? I never said to put anyone on medication for just not agreeing with us, but when a despot always "disagree" with the rest us under gunpoint, because they have all the guns and the "right" to use them on us, do u really think it's "arrogant" to assume they are mental ill? Ofc not
@WouldbeSage Yes, I agree. Lots of big visions but I see no path from getting here to there. The Venus Project seems to ignore that the way the world is set up. The banksters have arranged our society for their benefit and at the expense of everyone else. END THE FED is a 1st step. I get sick of the hand waving the Venus Project seems to be about to me.
Can someone pls explain what a resource based economy means? What would it look like?
@911truthncDotOrg U need to take another look at the ZM movies, it's really simple and it's all explained there. A resourced based economy is when it's illegal and not even possible to "buy" more than one needs. As it is now, ppl with to much paper money can buy to much and thus the whole system will become instable and lots of ppl without papers money can't even buy themselves food for the day. All humans have a birthright of the planets resources.
@WouldbeSage Yeah I like the fact these guys recognise the problems and are make suggestion to overcome them. But can't conveince myself that their project theory is capable of delivering the goods.
Just from the get-go every countries resoucres shared out fairly? Come on thats just fanatsy to expect everyone in the world to start co-operating because things will get better.
But at least they are trying and raising awareness about the real threats to human society. Thumbs up for that!
I really like a lot of what Peter Joseph has to say, the interview with him was interesting I wish I could have seen his live musical version, he seems to be a very talented musician as well as an intellect.I cant wait to see the newest movie, its playing in L.A this March, I am there.
@kaxitaksi I advocate this movement as well. I was speaking in regard to the state of the current paradigm and replying to Eimuxxx's comment regarding mars.
@Eimuxxx I was thinking just that. Except the power hungry bankers and politicians are going to beat us to it and spread their decease everywhere they go.
@Eimuxxx nice:) but it would not work . You think that money masters & Corporate world would allow it?... they would capitalize it even before the first ship would go there :) ... so i think first Earth then we can think about moon and beyond .
It is easy to imagine something like "Land run"(see wiki)
where we would have instead of people, some corporations in the run for resources ... seen Avatar film ?, does it ring the bell? So same thing would happen if uncivilized & backward people get technology to go to other planet .That is why i say first solve problems here then we can think about moon and beyond .Your idea would work only for members of VP having secret interstellar techn.Take care bro
@Braniti How sad would it sound, but Earth is almost lost. You can't call all of humanity uncivilized, only those who do not understant the potencial of the human race.
Say NO to one world government! This crap Zeit is for One World Government, that is well on its way. Meaning that we the people will have no rights and/or privacy! No religions, no freedom, nothing! We will have NOTHING! don't make them fool you!
MmadneZ 6 months ago
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When the time comes, it will happen. it is the only way the human race can go on. The path we travel now... the only outcome is extinction. you all comment on peter's dress code, why be so narrow minded? stop focusing on the small things and witness the bigger picture, pay attention to the message and use your grey matter.
macgw86 6 months ago
When the times comes, it will happen. it is the only way the human race can go on. on the path we travel now, the only outcome is extinction. you all comment on peter's dress code, why be so narrow minded? stop focusing on the small things and witness the bigger picture, pay attention to the message and use your grey matter.
macgw86 6 months ago
Perfect = optimized?
deguesstheboxingfan 6 months ago
why does peter joseph always wear black?
uwmbigb 6 months ago
@uwmbigb The most ridiculous question in the list. Let's look for possible answers..
1) He protests the present society
2) He is honoring the death of Capitalism
3) He looks great in black
4) He doesn't have any other clothes
But my answer is,
5)Black is not a color. It doesn't reflect any light.It doesn't have any wavelength. We can conclude that Peter Joseph is not reflecting any other person's opinions but trying to guide us to reach our own perception on life.
Way to go Pete!
And please
gautamwantsvideos 6 months ago
@uwmbigb The most ridiculous question in the list. Let's look for possible answers..
1) He protests the present society
2) He is honoring the death of Capitalism
3) He looks great in black
4) He doesn't have any other clothes
But my answer is,
5)Black is not a color. It doesn't reflect any light.It doesn't have any wavelength. We can conclude that Peter Joseph is not reflecting any other person's opinions but trying to guide us to reach our own perception on life.
Way to go Pete!
gautamwantsvideos 6 months ago
@gautamwantsvideos calm down zealot, it was just a question not an insult to your prophet...
uwmbigb 6 months ago
if there are no jobs. there is no entertainment which would need to people to have a job, or people making new inventions and so many other things. What are you humans going to 'DO'. Wouldn't life be boring?. We can't make machines to entertain us because machines don't have souls and never will. as Souls work on another plane of existence that bridges over to the physical realm through the brain like a gateway.
The only way I think this system could work is if we slavery I think. Thoughts?.
athletichunta 7 months ago
@athletichunta who says people can't make entertainment? -like theirs some policy of "noone can ever work". work is not work when you want to do it; that's the point; peoples energy is better spent creatively and freely than imposed by the need for means survival. you say slavery like we are now free. freedom deosn't mean anything. freedom is what we say it is. we are slaves to the system. we sel the time of our lives and the work of our bodies and minds just to survive.
moochabod 5 months ago
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athletichunta 7 months ago
i prefer independent countries to global control. independence is messy but freedom, global control is fascism. you people are crazy. you're advocating population control. people need to see through your shit. associated with lucis trust & the U.N. by any chance?
DickOPlenty 9 months ago
jesus christ. stop making these videos so creepy and eerie. maybe thats why people think we are a cult?!
CauseOfDeath27 10 months ago
@2pac0110 I see where you are coming from. If you had a choice of being under the control of a world order in our current situation of an unsustainable way of living or under the control of a world order in a sustainable way of living. It would not be ideal but I believe most would choose the later, as it would be of a greater benefit to the earth and would give further time to address the issues we face.
TboneWSK 10 months ago
Honestly, I don't really like this video. The music and the setting are so spooky... just as if we were some bigot cult of guerilla hippies promoting communist fascism with scientology propaganda concerning technocratic slavery of mankind for the sake of the occultist elite!!!1 :O
But... we aren't. Actually, I'm not - and as far as everyone can think for him/herself, it is OK. C:
Be creative: make your own summary of the movement from your perspective!
olfazarc 10 months ago
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olfazarc 10 months ago
peter.. i love your voice.. and im not gay xD
davidealessio 11 months ago 2
How exactly are decisions made is this society? Who does the designing? How are disagreements settled?
willforrhall 11 months ago
@willforrhall Decisions are ARRIVED at utilising automated technology and the scientific method used for social concern. The designing will be done by those who are able to do it and prove throuugh their expertise which is the most efficient, sustainable and intelligently functional means. When it comes to disagreements you need to be specific.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
So I guess your going to have pretty strict breeding control. How are you going to decide who gets to have babies?
willforrhall 11 months ago
@willforrhall The desion to have children, just like any decision will be arrived at on an individual basis depending on whether a couple actually need a child. The traditionalised notion of having a child coz you self-servingly "want a family" will be a thing of the past. People will instead think about the impact accumilatively whether the planet can deal with ever more wantonly created life, which it can't. It will be self evident with no control. People will just be smarter about it.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
@AAUTZM Who "needs" a child? Who makes this decision? And more importantly How are you going to force people to acept the decision? You dont really show how you are going to make people behave. And dont say that they are going to be educated into behaving
willforrhall 11 months ago
Tell us please: What is the status of individual rights ( property rights, freedom of expresion etc.) in your little collectivist society?
willforrhall 11 months ago
@willforrhall First of all it's not "collectivist" per sa, second, the idea of personal property will be a BURDEN in a system where you can travel wherever you want on the planet at zero cost or constraint, and do whatever you want as long as you don't cause a harm or loss to anyone, and where your needs are no longer a worry to be met.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
@AAUTZM It says that in your system there are no laws and no law enforcement, How are you going to make sure people dont cause harm to one another?
willforrhall 11 months ago
@willforrhall None of it would be possible without an entire shift in our value systems. That's one thing that people keep overlooking. They think about an RBE in terms of valuing the same things, craving the same things, and consuming the same things. This is not the case. More than technology, more than architecture, more than the automation that frees humanity and provides for humanity, and RBE is about a new and altruistic value system. This in part will reform human behaviour.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
@willforrhall As an addition to what I've just said, when we say there will be npo laws, what we mean is that we will culminate a value system which will dramatically reduce the NEED for laws and law enforcement. Eventually we will, given the altruistic values that we aim for eliminate the need for laws etc. altogether. That isn't to say that there won't be any means to deal with wrong-doing, but it'll be centred around getting to the root cause of that behaviour, and solving it there.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
There was nothing new in this movie....the idea is 150 years old....its called Marxist Communism.
tubiejonny 11 months ago
@tubiejonny You obviously haven't read marxist theory, or this proposal close enough. :)
AAUTZM 11 months ago
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@AAUTZM ..."You obviously haven't read marxist theory, or this proposal close enough. :)"
You don't have to seperate the 2, they are one in the same.....oh sorry, to be fair, This proposal adds solar panels to the mix.
tubiejonny 11 months ago
Communism
NinjaDude564 1 year ago
@NinjaDude564
I implore you to take a closer look. A fully functioning Resource-based economy shouldnt have Police, Prisons, Trade, Debt, Labor-for-income, or opinionated politics... All of which exist in Communism
Anubis7169 1 year ago
@NinjaDude564 Strange, coz people said the same thing about THE BILL OF RIGHTS. :)
AAUTZM 11 months ago
Pity the aspect ratio of this video is messed up somewhere in the process. Please re-upload the original.......
Meowbay 1 year ago
Any man who starts his talk with "We live in a pardigm now..." is a twat.
autinspare 1 year ago
@autinspare as is a man who can't spell "paradigm" :-)
autinspare 1 year ago
@autinspare he explains what that paradigm is...he just doesn't state that we live in a paradigm...because i guess you are pointing out that we always live within a paradigm...you didn't inlcude the entire sentence in your comment. Give it up.
Shep11111 11 months ago
Nice!
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
For those who've joined or wish to join the movement, ZM is currently running a side project--we wish to gather about 25k members to participate in D-Wave's AQUA research project, through BOINC and for science!
BOINC is a volunteer grid computing system that uses your computer to solve problems. Simply put, you can help researchers with your idle CPU
for those who wish to learn more, Google "The Zeitgeist Movement title=BOINC"
ericon52168 1 year ago 17
@leetmaster88 Knowing our inner space and our outer space is imho only possible in how far one can experience these. The VP seems to care for much better surroundings for this than the actual system, but you still must be careful how much responsibility you give away. There are certain basics that can be taken care for by a system, like fresh water, electricity and other resources, but others should be taken personal, like the production of food. People would then have the space for such things.
dailydols 1 year ago
@leetmaster88 I agree with the first statement, and Imho this part is a fantastic aspect and, as far as I understood, It is the core of VP. But this aspect allows a big variety of possible solutions, and the VP seems to deliver specialized solutions where other options could be considered. E.g. I am a fan of permaculture which I find much more beautiful than the greenhouses-towers that are presented.
What is more valuable than growing your own food and getting awareness of what you eat?
dailydols 1 year ago
Why the spooky music?!!!
osdias 1 year ago
I liked their original film "Zeitgeist" (2007), and I think they are milking their fame for all it's worth. I personally think it's a good idea to offer up alternative ideas on how to solve the problem. However, they do come across as very "preachy" and elitist. I wonder however, if their idealism isn't naive, and needs to be tempered with the reality on the ground. Sometimes, passive resistance alone will NOT work! It would not have worked against Hitler, or any modern fascist system!
romeoechomike369 1 year ago
The true revolution is the revolution of the mind, consciousness.
PsychoGabriel33 1 year ago
@GsBBoyDan
When you were a child, have you ever thought about something you would of really enjoyed or dreamed about, like when the teacher asked what would you like to be when you grow up? But as you grew older you found out that the harsh world around you kept you from being exactly what you wanted? Because of financial issues, where you were born etc? Imagine... the possibilities, no restrictions, nothing but TRUE choice, it's hard to imagine but once you get it, it'll blow you away....
PhyreStormAZ 1 year ago
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PhyreStormAZ 1 year ago
religion of humanism
RIPopperman 1 year ago
I'd like somebody to correct me if I'm wrong. As I agree that 'the current system' is definitely not perfect I don't see any real solutions given in the zeitgeist films. Solutions mentioned are "creating systems that will do things right". In my understanding people are trying to create such systems all the time, the problem is not the will to do it but lack of actual practical solutions.
kid29a 1 year ago
@kid29a I see where you're coming from. But the difference with TZM is that we advocate a complete overhaul of the system and in fact complete moving out of the monetary paradigm on a global level. This by the way has never been done. We have globally shifted in, but we've never globally shifted out.
For more solutions, that's just a case of you getting out there and looking for them.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
Truth / solution:
"all who believe in God's Son [Christ Jesus] have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."
peradean 1 year ago
@peradean Keep saying that and see where it gets ya.
brianvimx 1 year ago
@peradean Eternal ife. I can't think of a worst punishment. lol
AAUTZM 11 months ago
I'm extremely into this movement but one thing I can't understand is if money was removed from the world and the whole system talked about in the movie was implemented, then what would people do with their time? What would the point of living be? How would a world go around if everything was equally available and provided for everyone?
GsBBoyDan 1 year ago
@GsBBoyDan Do a little research, this is talked about in a lot of different ways.
Imagine being able to go school and learn whatever you want, for free, on your own time.
Have you ever had a really amazing idea for an invention or anything artistic but lacked the funds or equipment to make this vision come true? These things would be open to you.
You could also work if you wanted to. You wanna be a carpenter? Go ahead!
BigOnBass0421 1 year ago
@GsBBoyDan if you ever get the chance to read WaldenTwo by B.F.Skinner it would help answer this question for you.
KangasLaura 1 year ago
@GsBBoyDan
probably go to school (for free) to acquire knowledge , when you were a child you never worried about money and YET you were curious about your environment .... I would volunteer for anything as long as we can have free time available ...
israelwasaness 1 year ago
@israelwasaness Good argument, I like it. =)
FlashySenap 1 year ago
Y'all wanna see the real reason things like poverty are still a problem? Go look up "Haiti: Where Did The Money Go?"
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
Instead of bringin' myself down closer to poverty, why not bring the poor peoples up further away from it?
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
What I wanna know is: Why shouldn't I want the best things I can afford/get my hands on? I'm not sayin' ignore everyone else and not help out people who need it, but why should I deprive myself of the best life has to offer?
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
@TheplanBpill23 So you're telling me that you believe that everyone in the world would willingly give up their desire to have the best, home for example, that they could afford? Or, in this case, the best one they could get their hands on, since it's all free anyway?
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
Anybody interested in understanding how to reach that level of optimization that Peter talks about may want to read the writings of R. Buckminster Fuller. Particularly his book Critical Path.
Politics is the only thing in the way.
eduoahu 1 year ago
Sigh, typical economic ignorance. Do the words tragedy of the commons mean anything? And just for one instant, look up "Stossel's Myths: Is Oil Truly Scarce?"
GoingGoingGalt 1 year ago
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iggerdanus 1 year ago
@GoingGoingGalt Ok Galt, i watched it. So Stossel would have us believe that oil can be extracted from Canadian tar sands for the low price of 15$ a barrel? WOW!! Thats a bargain man!! OK, The Saudis pump their's for 5$ a barrel, and right now, here in the US, our oil companies are so STUPID they are drilling in 5,000ft or more of water, in the OCEAN! They could just be scooping up that sand!! Mix it with a little hot water and... voila! I thought you were smarter than that Galt. *Sighs*
iggerdanus 1 year ago
@iggerdanus Stalker, can you tell me of an energy source that is cheaper? You obviously missed his point- as oil in the Mideast becomes more expensive, the tar sands become a viable alternative. Your messages are rife with the Dunning-Kruger effect
GoingGoingGalt 1 year ago
@GoingGoingGalt You cannot sustainably have infinite growth and infinite and accelerating consumption on a finite planet. It's that simple. That isn't being economically ignorant. That's just seeing that our current economy simply doesn't ECONOMISE. lol The tragedy of the commons doesn't take into account an empirical guide for all processes, which should be, nature itself. And I even in secondary school i read that oil is "non-renewable" The drilling patterns prove its scarcity.
AAUTZM 11 months ago
You know i have listened to his voice for 2 years now, and seeing him talk about what needs to be changed and what not and all i can think about is "my god he is so goodlooking!!". Is that wrong?
CatGaladriel 1 year ago
What would actually convince ppl that this is indeed the correct way to go is to actually build such a city, and to actually have it work., then you'd have a shining model to show to the skeptics and a legitimate basis to demand change. The real thing wouldn't be without challenges. Anyone volunteering to live in a such a place would have to be committed to the idea, as well as repeated attempts to see such a project be rendered a failure by the current masters of the system today.
rpm297 1 year ago
Money's not the problem, money is the solution. The love of money is the problem.
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
@xXtheXmonsterXx People love money because they need it in a monetary system. Which means money IS the problem.
jjuggernaut 1 year ago
...much as they want. Plus, if everything is just "available" everyone's gonna want they're own mansion. But if everyone has a mansion, where would the farms go? And who would clean up the garbage? Do you really think most people would do half the jobs out there if they weren't getting paid? Especially the dirty ones? My point? Money artificially limits what people can take without putting fascistic controls in place. It also encourages people to do the jobs they otherwise wouldn't want to. Mon
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
@xXtheXmonsterXx
My response to that would be directly from Peter's words in the Zeitgeist Movement orientation video, and that is when everything is available at your finger tips with no value or reason to hold on to it other than basic materalistic wants like in our current society, there would be no reason to have it if that idea is removed from society.
It's a cultural change AS WELL as a world change.
TheplanBpill23 1 year ago
Lemme see if I got this right: No money, everything is just "available" through "technology" (however THAT works). It's a nice idea on paper, but let's examine it a little. If everything is just "available" everyone will just take as much as they want until it's all gone. This instantly defeats the purpose of a "sustainable society". Now you could just make laws that say "limit (blank) per person", but you know damn well people in positions of power would rig things so they could still take as
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
@xXtheXmonsterXx that's how your raised to think, the bigger the better. If we lived in a resource based economy I personally wouldn't care for a mansion, and I am sure many others wouldn't either. And this number would increase in the generation raised in this economy.
jjuggernaut 1 year ago
@xXtheXmonsterXx you clearly dont get the point... this is just an idea... a theory. you dont have to take everything they say for a fact, use your head..
Rel7eGaDe 9 months ago
@rjthomas23 Exactly, if nobody does the dirty jobs there'll be garbage everywhere. Just ask Mike Rowe
xXtheXmonsterXx 1 year ago
without wars development in almost all aspects would slow down, its just human nature to be the way we are, what your suggesting is to go against our instincts which is a good idea if it were possible
thinkstrait 1 year ago
Oil is not a fossil fuel, you idiot.
xwsftassell 1 year ago
@xwsftassell your kidding yea?
thinkstrait 1 year ago
@thinkstrait Oh man.
xwsftassell 1 year ago
@xwsftassell oil isn't a fossil fuel? oh yeah I am sorry we aren't DIGGING it out of the GROUND, where it is stored. And there isn't a FIXED amount of oil within the Earth, no I am sorry you are 100% correct because you come forward with so much evidence for your statement.
jjuggernaut 1 year ago
@jjuggernaut @jjuggernaut Signed - Angry sheep that refuses to go near their search engine.
xwsftassell 1 year ago
@xwsftassell Oil IS fossil fuel you idiot!
PrimateDynasty 1 year ago
@wormholemedia : the movie can be found on torrent websites. It should become available on youtube and vimeo soon though.
besonix 1 year ago
People!
Look at them!The betrayer humans and the retarded ET's in human disguises in the goverment that are using Earth's resources in the most wrong way possible!!!They are hurting Earth and are hurting us,humans while we are staring at them and doing nothing!And most of all...WE are stronger than them!
BLOODY PARASITES!I can't discribe how much i hate them.
cmdlord 1 year ago
@wormholemedia It should have come out yesterday, but Peter says he has "render problems" so the official release is somewhat delayed...
RageGently 1 year ago
Watch these films
New Age Nazi Deception
Zeigeist Lucis trust lies
Zeigeist 2 Lucis Trust lies
if you can't watch those, than you have no hope. also look up what is "cognitive dissonance" cuz anyone who buys into zeitgeist has it, and has been tricked. peace out ppl.
freakoutguitarsolo1 1 year ago
sounds good.... but what do you do with religion?
skkaa 1 year ago
@skkaa toss this useless shit out the window, acts of "god" are just simple kawinky dinks and peolpe are just stupid enough to think theres a bearded man in the sky watchin and keeping track of billions of humans lives. GOD is like fuckin santa clause for grown ups
ubitches420 1 year ago 35
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@ubitches420 Truth / solution:
"all who believe in God's Son [Christ Jesus] have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."
peradean 1 year ago
@ubitches420 I dont know anyone who believes that, but I do know many people who think CREATION came from nothing even though NOTHING in existence suggest thats even possible. Most people who believe in "GOD" understand that there are powers beyond us and unseen. The more we find out about life the more we find out we know NOTHING. The laws that govern our existance did NOT just form, the belief in "GOD" is more about TRUTH than falsehood, people corrupt this idea just like any other.
truthegreat 1 year ago
what if zeitgeist is a plot against us created by the illuminati and it's a conspiracy in a conspiracy in a conspiracy, i don't trust my own eyes or ears, or smell and taste for that matter. humor is real though
mountainjaz420 1 year ago
@mountainjaz420 it must be cause you made me laugh with your last statement XD
iamLI3 1 year ago
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Such a survey of all earth's resources, all people's needs and wants, all possible sites for construction and so on is physically impossible. They have admitted in this video that in order to pull this off they would need a near omniscient knowledge of the earth and its people. This is exactly the argument against communism. Communism might work if you had near omniscience. Since this is impossible it is only the informal price system that enable anyone to know what to produce and how.
Esoparagon 1 year ago
if we live to see the venus project flourish.. i hope peter joseph isnt the anti-christ because this is too good to be true...
bongmarley187 1 year ago
I know this is the mindset that will enable solutions: even if these are not exactly the direction we as a planet choose. THE epic point of the movement? That the supply and demand model of economy stands against sustainability. That by simply taking care of a problem over and over again we can still have money but by fixing it once and for all would kill our economy. We cannot have "world peace" or food forever, or business fails! Then business HAS failed. Grant us peace in our day. amen.
emailpaulnow 1 year ago
Question.... Having read several of Bucky's books... (Buchminster Fuller) and intending to read more yet... How does Zeitgeist differ from what Bucky discussed in books like Critical Path and Nine Chains to the moon... granted much of what Buckey address then could be considered 'dated' by today's standards... but I keep thinking that you guys are perhaps trying to build on what Bucky started... Yes? No?
norvman 1 year ago
Just like Daniel Quinn once said, "We grow our food, lock it up, and make ourselves earn money to buy it back." Outrageous.
drumgawd11 1 year ago
if u really want to make a change then pay attention to whom you are giving power to like Walmart, Exon, Electric companies. Cut back on purchasing or buy things locally from a produce stand that money will stay local and the farmer would deeply appreciate it. Get envolved in your community. buy a local news paper and get envolved in your community from charity work to elections. And most important lead by example to our children because it takes generations to change all the wrongs. God bless
Aftermath4D41 1 year ago
1st God said u wil work all the days of ur life because of ur (Adam and Eves)transgrations. I wish it would work but I don't think it will. u would have to be willing to take care of drug addicts and people that rape, kill, and all other types of scoundrols. face it. we have lost direction from god and the holy laws that gave us direction and a society that you talk of. Work gives us the direction we need without God. We strive to be better people and pass on morals and ethics to our sibling.
Aftermath4D41 1 year ago
@Aftermath4D41, before you can have an open mind you need a clean slate. There is no God and there are no holy laws.
AnotherAgnostic 1 year ago
@AnotherAgnostic I am a metaphysical liberterian.Can you prove without a shadow of dought that there is no God. And if their isn't than I have along with millions of people on the world have manefested one. U do believe in the power of thought right. That is what the docu. is about right. Tell me AA are you a drug user. Would u tear down the prisons and allow a serial killing child malesting person live next to you in a society without restraints.
Aftermath4D41 1 year ago
When you dislike the actual "status quo" you need to work on something different, but fiightiing against the actual "status quo" will result in nothing different, nothing new. The plurality of alternatives is infinit, so I see TZM as an option, but NOT as THE option...
Be creatiive, use your own mind, don't get stuck on an idea, because it is the first to appear good.
dailydols 1 year ago 11
I do like the idea of a resource based economic system, but how does it differ to socialism (besides not using money)? And then without money, how do you determine things like who gets to live in the nice cities vs who gets to live in the drab rural baron areas? And who gets to take out the garbage vs who gets to be the glamorous jobs?
rjthomas23 1 year ago
@rjthomas23 It doesn't differ from Socialism, it's pretty much the same. I think the Zeitgeist movement has recognised the stigma against the term "socialism" that was a result of Stalin hijacking the term for his dictatorship, and so avoid the term, but the two share a lot in common. These ideas have been around for a very long time, they are by no means original to the Zeitgeist movement.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@rjthomas23 Those questions you asked are important ones, that cannot be answered within the constraints of the character limit youtube allows. But such a system would require a paradigm shift among the majority of the human race. People would need to have solidarity, and be willing to put in some hard work in a shit location to better the human race. Remember, industrialisation and use of technology make all these things easier. Garbage trucks here use robotic arms to lift the bins, not people.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
This Venus Project will never work! As you need HANDS(workers) and MINDS(thinkers) two different societies, one will always rule over the other and control and guide the weak...Hitler had the same vision of a Aryan One World Order
ssssskimannnnn 1 year ago
@ssssskimannnnn Why are you defeating a concept your not trying to test for yourself. By stating IT WONT WORK. Your simply not trying.
SirVaughnElric 1 year ago
@SirVaughnElric You just have to look around the world today and see that some powerful man control WAR, FAMINE, POVERTY and ENSLAVEMENT on humankind...they will always want to be in control!
How do you make it even ground for everyone on this planet, from the janitor to the scientist???
How would you strip these trillioners of there wealth and power???
Venus Project is just a dream of perfect Garden of Eden, there are to many snakes in this world for that to ever happen.
ssssskimannnnn 1 year ago
@ssssskimannnnn Take a look at our history, we've lived without money before and we can do it again. Like the film mentions, there are fewer of them than there are of us, and we're waking up. Since the internet we've been growing more aware of their corrupt control. The Elite haven't been too smart when it comes to the internet. YouTube is only 5 years old and with that they've been exposed more than ever. Not only that but once we acknowledge the ET presence, we can move forward with them.
SirVaughnElric 1 year ago
Petition to cryogenically freeze Jacque Fresco ! lol
derman077 1 year ago
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G00DY317 1 year ago
Haven't you always been against a global society, or a centralized global control of anything?!
squirreljester2 1 year ago
im from around new hampshire,i just need to look in the right places i guess.
TheJabootyman 1 year ago
@Frosti2008 who said we won't keep an eye on Earth
Eimuxxx 1 year ago
Please join or start a local chapter. There was a great turnout in Santa Barbara...THE REVOLUTION IS NOW :)
fromflamez9 1 year ago
@fromflamez9 join what? what's a local chapter?...
iamLI3 1 year ago
Recently I have been trying to explain The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement to my folks. Forwarding this to them will help illustrate to them this is not some wacky new-age nonsense.
Great video.
DownshiftDX 1 year ago
@DownshiftDX it is though , except for the last part of course , it's the wacky new age SENSE that we desperately need
since on that subject , i find it funny how even understanding (or maybe they didn't and that's why) what the message is in this showing this (addendum actually) to my mom and such the response i was given was that this is even more reason to perpetuate the current system to become successful in it so that ppl will take me seriously when i show this to them
what utter nonsense
iamLI3 1 year ago
3 peoples dislike it ?
may those guys come from CIA :D
We like it !
Go, and DO something !!
(I am fr0m hungary)
HatlabuFarkas 1 year ago
attenction people don t follow with most enfasy without eyes
Scott78Pilgrim 1 year ago
Love the Zeitgeist movement - don't love this video. When I listen to the podcasts of the Italian zeitgeist chapter I smile, feel positive and feel like we can do this!!!!! I feel inspired!!!! They had great success with their positive spirit=D When I watch this I don't get the same feeling, it's too dark and doesn't transmit positivity.
stinaZM 1 year ago
i want to be apart of this movement.
TheJabootyman 1 year ago
@TheJabootyman Then get involved man!
Whereabouts you from?
brucegalliver 1 year ago
whoa, what a bullshit.
this whole matreia stuff is crap.
why does zeitgeist NEVER mention the freemasons?
Klongo0815 1 year ago
The hardest thing will be convincing the slaves of our owners.
MrSammo1 1 year ago
Would be great to see it in my lifetime.
warsarewrong 1 year ago
I am glad to say that I was the 100th Person to like this video! :) Can't wait to see Moving Forward.
OQUENDO1968 1 year ago
I think if this message can reach a person and they listen to it, they will have to admit - it makes a lot of sense! Who could possibly disagree? The message must be spread to all.
Anonymous247n 1 year ago
I think it might be good to cut the creepy ambient music. Its interesting sound design but mixed with the low key lighting it seems a bit too harsh and mysterious. This is certainly a hopeful solution, not something frightening or horrific. Great content though. Great production value.
MyOnlyFarph 1 year ago 2
I hope it comes true someday, where we all live together. A world where there is no more war, hate, and discrimination, because there is no more need to compete in that sense "to survive".
DelusionalJ 1 year ago 7
Even if people don't believe in the Venus Project, at the very least we need to get away from the system we are in now!
WJValente 1 year ago 2
SOLUTION: we open the minds of everybody around as and make them change as we all have changed by watching zeitgeist1-2 and other vids. we can all together change slowly but effectively..." We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard" JFK
erionmema1 1 year ago
Sadly we still have to wait for fossil fuel to run dry or a new World War, cause without those two mankind will not stop their ways. UNLESS... we build our own nation and set an example.
Change only takes place through action.
OttyOttyOtty 1 year ago 13
The word peter looked for is "optimized", not "perfection". But i think he made that clear.
DoS37 1 year ago 56
@DoS37
Totally agree...
AntiCosmos1981 1 year ago
Classic Diminishing Marginal Returns.
tecnoblix 1 year ago
Solution: Change the norm and make money ppl mental ill (as they really are), medicate them and give them psycological help and let the sane population for once take charge over the worlds resources..
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi Horrible sugestion man. That is exactly what the establishment through health care authorities is doing right now with people who are somehow critical of the government. They are calling them mentaly ill. They even came up with a name for it: "oppositional defiant disorder".
tulio84z 1 year ago
@tulio84z You totally did get everything what I wrote wrong m8. It's the establishment (government, rich parasites, corporations etc) who are calling ordinary ppl mental sick who are really mental ill, and should never been put in power in the first place. What I mean is we the ppl, declare the establishment mental ill and put them on medication. They really need it. They have failed about everything they have done in the last 2-300 years now and it's time for ordinary sane ppl to be in power.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@tulio84z You totally did get everything what I wrote wrong m8. It's the establishment (government, rich parasites, corporations etc) who are calling ordinary ppl mental sick who are really mental ill, and should never been put in power in the first place. What I mean is we the ppl, declare the establishment mental ill and put them on medication. They really need it. They have failed about everything they have done in the last 2-300 years now and it's time for ordinary sane ppl to be in power.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi "...ordinary sane ppl to be in power."
unfortunately, sanity in a money driven society especially in an interest and profit "earning" money driven society, sanity in it's inhabitants is a scarce resource. "Insane" people that get emotionally high from being wealthy and "powerful" will rather eat other people rather than give up their huge money cache. The future is cannibalism sadly.
technatezin 1 year ago
@technatezin I don't agree, where I come from normal sane ppl who have the capacity to everything we need are all around us. The parasites (rich ppl) worst nightmare is this normal not insane ppl who have knowledge how to coop in everyday life, and we all have it :) and they don't :)) they just know how to make money from money, they have not a clue how to survive from day to day! U can't eat money. Thats the beauty of it and it's the way this sick society will eventually come down..
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi My friend i didn't misunderstood you. I know exactly what you mean but still find it absurd. To put people under medication for not agreeing with us is a totally despotic way of thinking even if they are what you call "money ppl". It's a very arrogant thing to assume that we got it right and that whoever disagrees with us must be mentally ill. That arrogance is shared by the global elites who are going after anyone who challenges the established order like i pointed out.
tulio84z 1 year ago
@tulio84z I don't think u understand at all.. a mental ill person has a mental illness and is sick and needs medication and/or other treatments. A healthy person does not need medication coz he's not mental ill, got it?? I never said to put anyone on medication for just not agreeing with us, but when a despot always "disagree" with the rest us under gunpoint, because they have all the guns and the "right" to use them on us, do u really think it's "arrogant" to assume they are mental ill? Ofc not
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@tulio84z i disagree with this statement!
(lol)
iamLI3 1 year ago
Great theory, but I wonder if it's practical?
WouldbeSage 1 year ago
@WouldbeSage Yes, I agree. Lots of big visions but I see no path from getting here to there. The Venus Project seems to ignore that the way the world is set up. The banksters have arranged our society for their benefit and at the expense of everyone else. END THE FED is a 1st step. I get sick of the hand waving the Venus Project seems to be about to me.
Can someone pls explain what a resource based economy means? What would it look like?
911truthncDotOrg 1 year ago
@911truthncDotOrg U need to take another look at the ZM movies, it's really simple and it's all explained there. A resourced based economy is when it's illegal and not even possible to "buy" more than one needs. As it is now, ppl with to much paper money can buy to much and thus the whole system will become instable and lots of ppl without papers money can't even buy themselves food for the day. All humans have a birthright of the planets resources.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@911truthncDotOrg Agree
tulio84z 1 year ago
@WouldbeSage Yeah I like the fact these guys recognise the problems and are make suggestion to overcome them. But can't conveince myself that their project theory is capable of delivering the goods.
Just from the get-go every countries resoucres shared out fairly? Come on thats just fanatsy to expect everyone in the world to start co-operating because things will get better.
But at least they are trying and raising awareness about the real threats to human society. Thumbs up for that!
krustyegg 1 year ago
I really like a lot of what Peter Joseph has to say, the interview with him was interesting I wish I could have seen his live musical version, he seems to be a very talented musician as well as an intellect.I cant wait to see the newest movie, its playing in L.A this March, I am there.
peevedgrl 1 year ago
Solution: Move to another planet, start a new civilization and let money-people here on Earth to fight it out.
Eimuxxx 1 year ago 57
@Eimuxxx ahahah that'd be great
elfootman 1 year ago
@Eimuxxx Realisticly... we don't have the technology yet. And morally who would be chosen to leave?
VileMisanthropy 1 year ago
@VileMisanthropy Wrong, we have all the tech thats needed and no one have to leave..
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi I advocate this movement as well. I was speaking in regard to the state of the current paradigm and replying to Eimuxxx's comment regarding mars.
VileMisanthropy 1 year ago
@VileMisanthropy Ther is that which the public does not know about. Who will be willing to leave. No one will chose for them
Eimuxxx 1 year ago
@Eimuxxx I was thinking just that. Except the power hungry bankers and politicians are going to beat us to it and spread their decease everywhere they go.
fizwizx 1 year ago
@fizwizx In our world their virus would have nothing to spread on.
Eimuxxx 1 year ago
@Eimuxxx nice:) but it would not work . You think that money masters & Corporate world would allow it?... they would capitalize it even before the first ship would go there :) ... so i think first Earth then we can think about moon and beyond .
Braniti 1 year ago
@Braniti and how would they capitalize?
Eimuxxx 1 year ago
@Eimuxxx
It is easy to imagine something like "Land run"(see wiki)
where we would have instead of people, some corporations in the run for resources ... seen Avatar film ?, does it ring the bell? So same thing would happen if uncivilized & backward people get technology to go to other planet .That is why i say first solve problems here then we can think about moon and beyond .Your idea would work only for members of VP having secret interstellar techn.Take care bro
Braniti 1 year ago
@Braniti How sad would it sound, but Earth is almost lost. You can't call all of humanity uncivilized, only those who do not understant the potencial of the human race.
Eimuxxx 1 year ago