Jiqeti province of Georgia Sochi district Jiqeti is Georgia Suano-Cholchi

[AndyNapso]

@KartvelianHeritage

where did you get these names?? i never heard of these, and Sochi is Shache in Adyghe it was a tribe within the Ubykh tribe, from that came Sochi and not shewnich i don't know what it is...

[KartvelianHeritage]

@AndyNapso

There exists ''Adyghe toponymic dictionary'' which was published in 1990 by the stamp of Adygeya scientific (research) institute of language,literature and history.There are about 2500 toponyms reviewed and interpreted in most cases, correctly. An absolute majority of the toponyms Confirmed by dictionary, of course is adygian, But there is also attested for us the most significant Georgian materials as well, some of whom were previously known to us.

[KartvelianHeritage]

ქ. კრასნოდარის მახლობლად, შეიძლება ითქვას, მის გარეუბანში, არის ადგილი, რომელსაც ადიღეელები უწოდებენ ქურჯ ნიბ და ქურჯ ჩეი. ამ შემთხვევაში ჩვენი ლექსიკონი ყოველგვარი დაეჭვების გარეშე, დაბეჯითებით განმარტავს: „ქურჯ ნიბ —,,ქართველის დაბლობი“ — სახელწოდება მდინარე მარდას ველისა. მას მეორე სახელწოდებაც აქვს ქურჯ ჩე —,,ქართველის ველი“

[irakliracha]

@KartvelianHeritage გაიხარე, მეც მოვკარი მაგ ინფორმაციას თვალი სადღაც და ზუსტად მაგისი დაწერა იყო საჭირო, ოღონდ მინდოდა რომ ჩემზე მცოდნეს დაეწერა. ეს ინფორმაცია უნდა გავავრცელოთ ქართულადაც და ინგლისურადაც.

[KartvelianHeritage]

ქ. კრასნოდარიდან ჩრდილო-აღმოსავლეთით, გავიაროთ ასიოდ კილომეტრი და იქ მდინარე ლაბას ქვემო წელზე ვნახავთ ადგილს, რომელსაც ადიღეელები ეძახიან სონე იმეზ, რასაც ასე განმარტავს ჩვენი ლექსიკონი.: „სონე იმეზ“ — ბუჩქნარი აულ ულაპის ჩრდილო-აღმოსავლეთ გარეუბანში, „სვანების ტყე“ 

[KartvelianHeritage]

ადიღეურად სონე არის სვანი, თხ — ქედი, სონჩთხ ნიშნავს სვანების ქედს, ასე განმარტავს ამ ტოპონიმს ლექსიკონის ავტორი (К. Меретуков, Адыгейский топонимический словарь, 1990). ამ ქედზე არის ადგილი, რომელსაც ადიღეელები ეძახიან სონჩ, რაც სიტყვასიტყვით ითარგმნება — სვანების...

[DefenceGeorgoa]

@KartvelianHeritage და ევროპულ რუკებზე მაგ ადგილის ზღვის სანაპიროს ჰქვია Sanna/Sannia :)) 

[AndyNapso]

@TheMistAnchorite

look at Russia on the map now, what do you see? does it mean all of it is Russian soil?

And i told you , check very carefuly what Jiqeti mean in Georgian language and in Georgian history

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso JIKETI is later porm by Vakhushti Bagrationi it must be Sanigia ie Sanig land(Suano-Colchis).. If you are Circassain, you cant dont worry problem of it will be solved between Georgians and Circasians,but Ubikhs and Shapsugs came from the North Caucasus.. There are 15 Georgians churches

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso -The Zikhs came from the North Caucasus too by the end of 1 Milenium B.C and took place from Novorosiiisk to Tuapse.. and oldest name of Nechepskhu(From tuapse 18 km) is Lazika.Zichs were from the north out of Sanigia but they replesed since XVI century to Gagara zone ..Sanigs as all Greek autors said were Σθανοκολξε(Suano-Colchis)... And Absuans say Jikhs are Absuans, they wants to claim of Sanigia(so called Jikhicha) :D

[MrRezz0]

Great video my friend. this video is important becouse in youtube there is less information about Sochi and its history. there is only videos made by Circassians who claim this lands. we should remember our history becouse one day Russian Federation will fall and we have to claim this land. we deserve this land as noone cuz historically this territory was inhabited by Colchis Georgians, Circassians and ubikhs(ubikhs as nation died during genocide of circassians in 1864 years.

[TheMistAnchorite]

@MrRezz0 yes my point exactly , so few information abouth this land, but please if you have more information and statsistics of the population please inform me, i shall thank you ! in this video the mountains are from that region, exactly from that region, it was very hard to find this

[TheMistAnchorite]

@MrRezz0 my dear friend it is very important for Georgia to remember that land especially because of Abkhazia, apsuas must learn that Georgia was biger than Abkhazia, you also had Jiqeti ! and for the fact that you had this land, than this prooves you have rights 1 today in Jiqeti there are 200.00 georgians, according to stupid russian statistics, but the number is higer, but most of georgians where deportated from that region killed along with circassians

[MrRezz0]

@TheMistAnchorite i think you can find some facts from english wikipedia about sochi district of georgia. i have some info but in georgian lang. we Georgians are strange peoples becouse we always protect what we have but never claim lands wich we had long time ago as armenians doing to day. we should follow to armenians in this job becouse they are masters in this ;). they know that they cant return lands wich occupied turkey but they have hope and they never give up in information war.

[AndyNapso]

Do you know what Jiqeti mean? it means the land of the Jiq (Zikh\Zig) which are part of the ancestors of the Circassians, Sochi in Circassian is Shache, it was the land of the Ubykh tribe. it was never a Georgian land, maybe once was in the Georgian kingdom, but also Ireland was in English kingdom once but it doesn't mean the Irish were English...

[MrRezz0]

@AndyNapso i agree that Circassians,Ubikhs(dead nation) are the inhabitants of this region of Caucasus but Georgian tribes also. during ancient Georgian Kingdom of Colchis and during Tamar the Queen this land always was part of Georgia. there lived Georians but later this land was freed from inhabitains by Invaders from North.. Sochi in Georgia is tree wich rise in this region.

you should remember one thing. we have same enemy and we should claim this land together to reach our goal.

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso -And ''Sache'' is later name and Circassians have recognized too thats is Sonscha there is one place Sonchkh(Svan mountains) and Sonch.But Sochi is used since XVIII century, old is Cuba or Porto de Cuba, i can explain what it does mean. From the begining to 1530 it area was Georgian and Georgians(Sanigs(Suanocolchis) were dominant, since 1530 Dadiani lost control there

[AndyNapso]

@Tituslivius1

I don't know what you are talking about, but from what I know from a Georgian about JIQETI is that it was the JIQETIANS which are known as Zyg or Zikh or Zikhia, which were ancestors of the Circassians who lived there. and even I heard that Svans used to be originaly Circassians but in some time they mixed with Georgians and eventualy became Georgians.

And no single Circassian recognize that Sochi is Georgian soil

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso '' and even I heard that Svans used to be originaly Circassians but in some time they mixed with Georgians and eventualy became Georgians.''.|I've first this friend.. The Svans are first group who become Kartvelian from Proto-Kartvelians,second are Zans(Colchis) and Karts(Ibers), nothing about Circassians, but they lived in the North Caucasus too,(It's not Georgian claim, it is rcognizec by Adyghean scientis in the Nalchik and Maikop i can say  book too .

[Tituslivius1]

Now at first the coast, as I have said, stretches towards the east and faces the south, but from Bata it gradually takes a turn, and then faces the west and ends at Pityus and Dioscurias; for these places border on the above-mentioned coast of Colchis. After Dioscurias comes the remaining coast of Colchis and the adjacent coast of Trapezus, which makes a considerable bend..... Ok this is report of Strabo. you can read also older,there are not Zigs on Novorosiisk to Tuapse zone too..

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso hmm my dear friend you told me a lie , that Sochi district never belonged to Georgia, well it did and it did so many times, you should see my videos abouth Abkhazia, and plus abouth Sochi district you also sayed that there are no georgians living there, well yes there are 20000 acording to statistics, but almost all of them where deportated . I found statistics from the year 1897 that show that georgians where majority of Sochi district

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso in the year 1897 georgians where majority of Sochi district, they where 16 % while apsuas where 13 % and others 51 % armenians estonians russians romanians ukrianinas greeks and so on ! but if we talk of Sochi district georgians where clear majority 95. 5 % georgians ! you claimed that this land was never georgian, but it was a lot of time georgian land

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso svanetians are georgians according to genetics , and to historic sources please you are not well informed

[AndyNapso]

@TheMistAnchorite

Well nowday they are indeed, but i read a journal once that a traveller in the Caucasus who reached the , Svans, he and his guides which were other Caucasians tried to speak with them the guides tried Karachay langage and after Ossetian and when they used Adyghe language the Svan understood that language and spoke back in Adyghe, it is really strange case.

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso -About it i am agree with you but not on basis,because a lot of Svans became Adygheans and Balkars,there was Svans kingdom(Sonscha XV-XVII I've maps ), also many Svan root is in Circassian names for exm- Meretukov)meretukva),Oniov,Sna­niba(mean ''Shon' Svan) so et.. As in Georgians Cherkezia,Cherkezishvili,ROkva­,Ingorokva,Jikia(Zich),Sajaia,­so etc..See also Georgian churches in Karachay-Circassia. The balkars are mixed Turkish and Georgians,they've recognized too.

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso - Also in Anapa are Svan toponyms too as in Maikop..U say always that Georgians want to claim all Circassia,it's not true,you want Abkhazia.. We can solve future about SANIGIA,may be it all part become Circassians land,but you dont want recognize Abkhazia as Georians part.. I say again There is 3 Georgian palaces(Xosta,Mamai and Nechepsxu(near Tuapse) and 15 GEO churches(V-XV cen).If we want brotherhood please dont HIDe the fact that is area had been CGORGIAn until 1530

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso - Zichs(Absuanscalled ''SADZ'') were Circassaian or ABAZA it's difficult, they say that they were Absunas as Ubikhs(Absuan scientists),But ZICHS came since B.C 1 century from the north(1 part of them) and Ubikhs since 1530(this is fact because before they lived near Alanya).Shapsugs came from Crasnodar and called their toponyms(Tuapse > ''Rivers two'') but Tuapse has never been before .. only Zurzchuchi(SVan) and Lia(Megrel) both mean a dirt ie Porto De Zurzhuchi (on map

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso Strabo Strab. 11.2.14...After Bata Artemidorus2 mentions the coast of the Cercetae, with its mooring places and villages, extending thence about eight hundred and fifty stadia; and then the coast of the Achaei, five hundred stadia; and then that of the Heniochi, one thousand; and then Greater Pityus(PITUINTA}, extending three hundred and sixty stadia to Dioscurias(SOKHUMI).... To 2 part .

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso The more trustworthy historians of the Mithridatic wars name the Achaei[Non-Known] first, then the Zygi[Adygha], then the Heniochi[ZAN(Georgian], and then the Cercetae[North Caucasus may be Circassians] and Moschi[georgians and ancesors old abkhazians] and Colchi[Georgians], and the Phtheirophagi who live above these three peoples, and the Soanes[georgians], and other small tribes that live in the neighborhood of the Caucasus. To be continue 3 part ..

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso Nikopsia-Нечепсухо| Porto da Zusaco-Т​уапсе| Lauaso ---Лазаревское

Sanna --- Шахе|Cavo de Cuba --- Дагомыс(*)|Costo--Хоста

Aiazo -- Gantidi(განთიადი)|Cacari ---Gagra

Santa Sofia --D of Gagra |Cavo de GirO--Cape of Bichvinta

Pezzonda -----Bi​chvinta|Cavo de buxo --Bombora

Fiume de nicoffia - New Athos |Sauastopoli -Sok​humi

P.Mengrello -Meng​relian port ie Port of Sokhumi..Its old toponyms on 13-15 cent map,, nothing about TUAPSE or SACHE..i can explain those all

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso no my friend, its not right, yes jiqeti means the land of jiqs, but jiq is Georgian word too and means this animal like leopard

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso and I dont know what is sache or something but sochi itself is a Georgian word and it is a tree which is called firs in English (if I am right)

[AndyNapso]

@irakliracha

Sochi means dark in Georgian, what i heard from a Georgian who works with me...

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso  sochi means dark? its first time a heard that.

[KartvelianHeritage]

@irakliracha

ხო იმიტო რომ ატყუებენ ამ გვატყუებს, ტოპონიმიკა ისეთი ადვილი თემა არაა რიგითმა ქართველმა იცოდეს და სხლავდეს,გავეცი პასუხი.

[AndyNapso]

@irakliracha

That what a Georgian from here told me...

[KartvelianHeritage]

@AndyNapso

First of all, i`m not ''trying'' anything - i don`t have a need of it,whereas i`m taking this from adyghe toponymic dictionary,besides Sochi is a tardy name for this place

[AndyNapso]

@KartvelianHeritage

Okay, but you sure you read it right???

Circassian language is more difficult than Georgian, for example the word "Sha" ШЭ is milk or take him but when you say Shi ШЫ is brother or horse or measure you see how it can be difficult? it must be in a phrase to inderstan what it really say...

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso how do you know that Circassian is more difficult than Georgian? do you speak Georgian? and you said yourself that Circassian language is very close to svanetian dialect of Georgian language, so it can not be more difficult. and if that words, which was mentioned by KartvelianHeritage, was not right, why didn't you give us the right definitions of that words? ok, if its not right, tell us the right definition.

[AndyNapso]

@irakliracha

First of all i didn't say that Svan close to Circassian but more SOUNDS like it...

About the words that KartvelianHeritage mentioned, what he said there are not like what i found, and i didn't find everything yet, but as an example of how you can a mistake, "Kurj-ipe" is indeed Georgian's place in Circassian, but what was written was "Kur-jipe" which means the place where you take the wagon, you see how Circassian difficult? if i will find the rest i will notify...

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso and there is IMERETI highland which proves that this teritory was part of western Georgia, I respect Circassian people and have no problem with them, and I know that there are many land, which belongs to this people, but not sochi.

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso "it was never a Georgian land" and this is not true, because you can see many sources, greek for example, you can see maps of Colchis, so you will see that it was part of Colchis (antient Georgian kingdom), and you can see 11-12 th century maps, this land a part of great georgian kingdom, also 13th centyry map (Queen tamara time) and 14th century (period of George the Brilliant) and so on. and finally, the democratic republic of Georgia 1918-1921 years.

[AndyNapso]

@irakliracha

I know that Jiq means leopard, but the province of Jiqeti is a term of Zikhs and there are no lepards in that area, maybe you called them like that...

Sochi area was occupied by Georgians once, but that doesn't mean it is theirs... so kypchak turks can say too it is theirs like Russians say it is theirs, that land is historical Circassian land not Georgian... you can show whatever maps you want show whatever qutoes you want, but to get there you will have to kill Circassians...

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso no my friend, read carefully what I wrote, it wasnt occupied by Georgians, but it was part of georgia many times an so long. and yes, there are not any jiqs (leopards) today :D :D but they were in past :D so what? so, there is historical reality and you can find out, I wanted to give you some links but it shows me an "error", so I cant, so please google those words: colchis, lazica, david the builder, queen tamara, george the brilliant, democtaric republic of Georgia..

[irakliracha]

@AndyNapso and you can find Sanigia - სანიგეთი page on facebook (if you use facebook of course).

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso dont you want to be part of Georgia ? it is better with Russia ? why dont you and Georgia make a federation, russians arent caucasian, so why not make a confederation of all caucasian states ... Circassia will disapare in todays Russian federation

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso my point is that we cannot say that this land wasnt a historical land of Georgia, because it has georgian history as well, as well as circassian history, but in todays ecuation in the Russian federation many states will dissapare, starting with the language

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso georgians and circassians should know more one of ather. Boath cultures are beautiful, i love some circassian dances and mucis, but to be honest, i dont see that region in Russian federation, i wish you where independent, but that cant happen, Russia will not permit, you shall survive only if you join a small state such as Georgia and form a federation, with specific laws, equal for boath sides

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso unfortunatly Abkhazia has become a russian colonial area ... apsuas will disapareand it already happens, because of poverty, and because russians afore the best jobs in Abkhazia, it is the exact problem as in Repubilc of Moldova, where russians controle the big industry and get a lot of money, while the majority of romanians there are poor , and controled by a russian minority ! try to learn from others mistakes

[TheMistAnchorite]

@AndyNapso i am very sure that georgians as people, will do no harm to apsuas, if they return, at least as autonomus republic as they where

[nenusia123]

@AndyNapso check this video:In Sochi found oldest Georgian temple of VIII-X Century.by far this temple is the oldest in Sochi.typical Georgian architecture.plus archaeological studies proves that culture of Sochi is Colchian(west Georgian)funny when people say that Georgians occupied Sochi,Abkhazia or so called South Ossetia.while Sochi/Abkhazia from ancient times was part of Georgia we have the same culture,what can I say about "South Ossetia"while this term first time was used in 19 century...

[AndyNapso]

@nenusia123

First of all i am not an architecture nor historian, but i know this... that area of Sochi was called by Georgians Jiqeti (Zikhs one of the ancestors of Circassians) and once it was part of the Georgian kingdom maybe joined with Georgia because of common enemies and invaders, I don't know nothing about south Ossetia nor care about it.

Also i know that there are similar dolmens in Circassia area (Sochi, Tuapse and Adygea) and in Abkhazia which indicates that same nation lived there

[Tituslivius1]

@AndyNapso Станислав Лакоба и Олег Бгажба -Историю Абхазии" 2009. They say Zikhs= Abaza ,Anapa is Abaza toponym,Some Internet forums and in historian books are already discussing belonging of Sochi ,Sanigeti and Jiketi.. Abkhazians (headed by certain Denis Chachkhalia) say that it belonged to Abaza_Zichians and as their language is more similar to the Abaza language therefore Sochi,Sanigia and Jiketi belongs to Abkhazia. And this causes anger and resentment in Circassians

[AndyNapso]

And I saw on a map that this video uploader sent me that was written in sochi area Sanichi, which he said they are Svans, but when I looked at the map again and a little more east, above Colchis were written "Soanes" and beneath it "Soani" which is now Svaneti located, so how come that the Sanichi were Svans too??? and they sit near the Achaens... there canot be two Svans and between the Colchis...

[DefenceGeorgoa]

@AndyNapso Svans 4 brunches SANIGI (Mixed with Colchians) as says Ptolemey : bosporany, and along the Pontus (ie the Black Sea - status). - Achaei , Cercetae , Heniochi and Svancolchis (Geography V,VIII,25) also MISIMIANI(some name MUSHAN)  ,SOANI and SKVMNI(Lechkhumi mixed with Manrals).Colchis had 12 brunches too, iBers were divided 14(meskhi,Javakhi,Kakhi,Kukhi,­Kartukhi,Taokhi,Iganiekhi,Vite­rukhi) so etc.I told you friend dont watch propaganda, READ AN ORIGINAL BOOKS ;)

[AndyNapso]

@DefenceGeorgoa

It is you who make propoganda, from all that you written all tribes there were mixed...

You write all these like you were there, and like you are a historian, why don't you send your thesis to historians, i think they will probably listen to you :)) and don't forget to come and conqeur your "Sanigia" the otophia you invented...

[DefenceGeorgoa]

@Tituslivius1 :D:D Lakoba) They say Sanigi,Abaskhi,Abshili,Misimia­ni were Absuans. Abkhazian kingdom and Leon II were Absuans,Tbilisi was Absuans,Colchis Kingdom was Absuans kingdom, so etc. and so what ?

[didgori1]

xo jiqeti da kide dzurdzuketi da leketic chvenia :D

[TheMistAnchorite]

@didgori1 i love your country day by daay !

[NinoUrushadze1]

wonderful video Cristi !

Have to say that Russian (not Russian ppl ) politic have always a good taste of territories, USA  too is not backward.

[TheMistAnchorite]

and also i want more information in english

[TheMistAnchorite]

please also read the information from the description of the video

[TheMistAnchorite]

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