Let's put it this way. Eric's theories are great fakes. But they attract people to archeology and to the ancient world. And most of all he is such a gifted and magnificent lecturer that the sciences of the past owe so much public interest to him that they should erect a monument for him even at his lifetime.
@terra382 To be honest I can't really accomplish this task, for I am not an archeologist. As a logician and expert in theory of science I can simply say that he frequently suggests implications just by great rhetorical means. (In the ancient world even this beauty would have brought some truth to his conclusions.) But these are not real conclusions, they just strike by simplicity and plasticity, but they don't meet the recent standards. Maybe you want to frequent refutations by archeologists!
@flexibartrampolin Darn I was hoping you could get specific on the notions and claims that consist of little to no amount of 'real'. Thanks anyway I guess I'll figure out the apparent 'fake' theories when I stumble across it
@terra382 1) Challenged by this comment let me first underloine that I call them great (i.e. cute amd smart) and not stupid or ugly fakes. To outline what I mean let me give an example so oversimplified that he would never have stated it. On ann continents and in all ancient civilizations: the syme type of building. WOW. Someone must have handed them out the plan. Or they must have had worldwide communication systems.
@terra382 2) But he just disregards a ratio principle that is called occams razor. Take the simpler explanation among two equally good ones or prove that they are not equally good. But imagine you are a rational monument builder and you want to construct something for a long regency or to express the claim for a long regency. When you put stones each on the other (a skyscraper) and one falls it falls down the whole building. The most stable and lasting structure is without fail ...
@terra382 ... the pyramid where each stone rests in place even during earthquakes. No aliens or prehistoric internet or telepathy needed. But imagine how one could suggest these assumptions by singling out one fact! (I this case one that even isn't that evident when not exaggerated. I my view an indogene temple structure has little to do with the cheops pyramid, except that they are high and old. If they were not Pyramids they wouldn't have been left over.) Coul I make you follow?
@Faidros62 So Faidros please show me some evidence of him being charlatan..because the only thing i can see here is your claim of him being a conman...i've read a book of him and it seems to me that it was pretty well documented..
@fredtzu I´m old enough to have witnessed the rise and fall of Von Däniken in the late 70´s. Many of my friends believed in his claims up until The PBS television series Nova made a special about him. Wikipedia say it was about pottery but as I remember it Von Däniken showed photos of carvings made on stones showing a spaceman with a digital watch (or something - cmon it´s 30 years ago ;)). cont.
@fredtzu Von Däniken claimed that the depicted stones where ancient and prof of alien intervention. Nova managed not only to date them they even traced the craftsman that could show other similar stones and also told them a story about this european gentleman that had ordered stones with special pictures carved in them. cont.
Von Daniken is also well known to leave out any, how ever relevant, information if it contradicts his claims. A foot of an animal depicted among the Nasca lines was fotographed up close and Von Daniken suggested it could have been a landing bay for an alien space ship. Leaving out the fact that the shape was derived from the fact that it was a foot on a animal.
@Faidros62 Well my gramma was who first told me about him...talked to her few days ago and she confirmed -> the fraud and the forgery of some of the evidence showed by Daniken..but we can't discredit all other people (like me) who believe in the extraterrestial intervention on human creation..and we can't ignore the fact that when National Geographic made their documentary about that "strange" hole, some "strange" things happened..btw have you heard about the "Gize power plant theory"?
@fredtzu My first claim was only that "Von Daniken is a proven charlatan and conman" just as your grandma could verify. To speculate is fun but I hope you will learn to differ between speculations and theories. Theories can be tested and verified.... not all speculations can. If there are no way to test a claim - why believe it? How can the one making the claim know anything about it? It´s up to you if you like to base your world view on claims made by proven liers. I chose not to.
@Faidros62 Daniken makes clear statements on what is speculation and what is fact. He doesn't say his speculations are fact. Did you ever read his books, or even took the time to do many years of research? I dought it, because the amount of facts we have in this world is overwhelming. And besides... i dont see why you're attacking him as an individual, when the facts have nothing to do with him. But you would have to be pretty closed minded anyways, to think we are the only ones in the universe
@Blackstarting Do you realy think that the so called "facts" Von Däniken refers to are to be taken seriously knowing he has been cought lieing and even maufacturing "evidence"? Do you realy think that is not a factor to be considered when evaluating the trustworthiness of the so called "facts" he pressents?
@Blackstarting Do I believe there are life elsewhere in the universe? Due to the vastnes of space - Most probably!
Have any of them ever visited us? - Due to the vastnes of space - Not likely!
Do I think the egyptians and the mayans where smart enough to do what they where doing all by them selfs without alien or devine intervention? - Absolutly!
@Faidros62 Obviously i don't base my world view on his claims..it makes me confuse how the egytian people , for example, got the advanced knowledge about astronomy, engeneering, medicine ,etc?How would they manage to build such a colossal monuments in Gizeh??The Mayans?With their (even today) advanced and precise calendar?Advanced astronomy, its fact that they were excellent astronomers?how could they predict such astronomical events,even though telescope was only invented many years later???
@fredtzu The kind of astronomical predictions the mayans made was not of the kind that demands a telescope. All it takes is good eyesite plenty of time and some inteligent people. The astronomical events the mayans where predicting are alignments of celestial objects that are all visible to the naked eye.
@Faidros62 In that time they already knew that Earth was round??That it revolved around its own axis and around the sun??That 1000's of years later a star would be in a certain place??It is said that you could lock a mayan ancient for months in the dark and when he'd get out h'ed know exactly the date just by looking at the stars..that absolutly out of question for even the best of our astronomers isnt it?I believe that the time-scale we're talking about is just too big for predictions....
@fredtzu All you are proving is that the mayans where good and I agree with that. But that tell us nothing of alien intervention. Why do you think the mayans, with out alien intervention, would have been uncapable of their achevements?
@fredtzu "that absolutly out of question for even the best of our astronomers isnt it?I" I´m only a amateur astronomer but I think I could tell the month by looking at the night sky. If I can get a reference (location of known object) of what time it is I think I could narrow it down even further. The mayans where also much more aware of the sky as both a clock and a calendar compared to us that are used to mechanical clocks and printed calendars.
@fredtzu The fact that we don´t know every aspect of how the ancient managed to do things does not mean there had to have been alien or devine intervention. It just mean that we have not figured it out how they did some of the things yet. "Aliens helped them" does not answer the question how they managed to do the things they did either and is no more an answer to the question than "God did it with magic". I believe the ancients where smart enough and that we should not take that away from them.
@Faidros62 nobody who knows the creator of the universe ever said God did it with magic.it is mans desire to be like God even to the point of tagging him magic and trying to some how explain that away as a human thing or aliens did it and then say there is no God.What He did He did !!! What man did man did because of Gods goodness.
@anoyaliberal Since the phrase "god did it with magic" is highly dependent on how you define your god... please define your god and what you think should be explained with "what he did he did". That last phrase however could probably be answered with "that what is is".
@mugwamp4 well in that i have to agree..but this is not about the amount of stone blocks in it...its about the they way they are disposed...and alligned with the 3 Orion's Belt stars???man that just makes me confused...then the amount of human labor needed to finish it??And what about the sphinx??why does the Egytian gvmnt. refuse to let the archeologists study it??
this guy is awesome
Seigu007 5 months ago
Eric von Daniken is great !!!
Cal50Rifle 1 year ago
eric von daniken is one of the most interesting people i have ever listened to, even though i dont believe everything he says
and i love his part in ancient aliens, truly an interesting show
Glaskruset 1 year ago
Let's put it this way. Eric's theories are great fakes. But they attract people to archeology and to the ancient world. And most of all he is such a gifted and magnificent lecturer that the sciences of the past owe so much public interest to him that they should erect a monument for him even at his lifetime.
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
@flexibartrampolin Hey I'd like to know how the fakes can you elaborate because I was looking forward to analyzing the information he presents
terra382 1 year ago
@terra382 To be honest I can't really accomplish this task, for I am not an archeologist. As a logician and expert in theory of science I can simply say that he frequently suggests implications just by great rhetorical means. (In the ancient world even this beauty would have brought some truth to his conclusions.) But these are not real conclusions, they just strike by simplicity and plasticity, but they don't meet the recent standards. Maybe you want to frequent refutations by archeologists!
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
@flexibartrampolin Darn I was hoping you could get specific on the notions and claims that consist of little to no amount of 'real'. Thanks anyway I guess I'll figure out the apparent 'fake' theories when I stumble across it
terra382 1 year ago
@terra382 1) Challenged by this comment let me first underloine that I call them great (i.e. cute amd smart) and not stupid or ugly fakes. To outline what I mean let me give an example so oversimplified that he would never have stated it. On ann continents and in all ancient civilizations: the syme type of building. WOW. Someone must have handed them out the plan. Or they must have had worldwide communication systems.
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
@terra382 2) But he just disregards a ratio principle that is called occams razor. Take the simpler explanation among two equally good ones or prove that they are not equally good. But imagine you are a rational monument builder and you want to construct something for a long regency or to express the claim for a long regency. When you put stones each on the other (a skyscraper) and one falls it falls down the whole building. The most stable and lasting structure is without fail ...
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
@terra382 ... the pyramid where each stone rests in place even during earthquakes. No aliens or prehistoric internet or telepathy needed. But imagine how one could suggest these assumptions by singling out one fact! (I this case one that even isn't that evident when not exaggerated. I my view an indogene temple structure has little to do with the cheops pyramid, except that they are high and old. If they were not Pyramids they wouldn't have been left over.) Coul I make you follow?
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
@flexibartrampolin Wow
terra382 1 year ago
@terra382 And I apologize for my typewriting.
flexibartrampolin 1 year ago
its a key hole..but where is the key?
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lavernedi 1 year ago
the black men
XschoolXXold 1 year ago
why the fuck is this a government cover up?
windofthegods 1 year ago
Different skies ufo
markdipaolo 1 year ago
Von Daniken is a proven charlatan and conman.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 So Faidros please show me some evidence of him being charlatan..because the only thing i can see here is your claim of him being a conman...i've read a book of him and it seems to me that it was pretty well documented..
fredtzu 1 year ago
@fredtzu I´m old enough to have witnessed the rise and fall of Von Däniken in the late 70´s. Many of my friends believed in his claims up until The PBS television series Nova made a special about him. Wikipedia say it was about pottery but as I remember it Von Däniken showed photos of carvings made on stones showing a spaceman with a digital watch (or something - cmon it´s 30 years ago ;)). cont.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@fredtzu Von Däniken claimed that the depicted stones where ancient and prof of alien intervention. Nova managed not only to date them they even traced the craftsman that could show other similar stones and also told them a story about this european gentleman that had ordered stones with special pictures carved in them. cont.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@fredtzu
Von Daniken is also well known to leave out any, how ever relevant, information if it contradicts his claims. A foot of an animal depicted among the Nasca lines was fotographed up close and Von Daniken suggested it could have been a landing bay for an alien space ship. Leaving out the fact that the shape was derived from the fact that it was a foot on a animal.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 Well my gramma was who first told me about him...talked to her few days ago and she confirmed -> the fraud and the forgery of some of the evidence showed by Daniken..but we can't discredit all other people (like me) who believe in the extraterrestial intervention on human creation..and we can't ignore the fact that when National Geographic made their documentary about that "strange" hole, some "strange" things happened..btw have you heard about the "Gize power plant theory"?
weird.
oO
fredtzu 1 year ago
@fredtzu My first claim was only that "Von Daniken is a proven charlatan and conman" just as your grandma could verify. To speculate is fun but I hope you will learn to differ between speculations and theories. Theories can be tested and verified.... not all speculations can. If there are no way to test a claim - why believe it? How can the one making the claim know anything about it? It´s up to you if you like to base your world view on claims made by proven liers. I chose not to.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 Daniken makes clear statements on what is speculation and what is fact. He doesn't say his speculations are fact. Did you ever read his books, or even took the time to do many years of research? I dought it, because the amount of facts we have in this world is overwhelming. And besides... i dont see why you're attacking him as an individual, when the facts have nothing to do with him. But you would have to be pretty closed minded anyways, to think we are the only ones in the universe
Blackstarting 1 year ago
@Blackstarting Do you realy think that the so called "facts" Von Däniken refers to are to be taken seriously knowing he has been cought lieing and even maufacturing "evidence"? Do you realy think that is not a factor to be considered when evaluating the trustworthiness of the so called "facts" he pressents?
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Blackstarting Do I believe there are life elsewhere in the universe? Due to the vastnes of space - Most probably!
Have any of them ever visited us? - Due to the vastnes of space - Not likely!
Do I think the egyptians and the mayans where smart enough to do what they where doing all by them selfs without alien or devine intervention? - Absolutly!
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 Obviously i don't base my world view on his claims..it makes me confuse how the egytian people , for example, got the advanced knowledge about astronomy, engeneering, medicine ,etc?How would they manage to build such a colossal monuments in Gizeh??The Mayans?With their (even today) advanced and precise calendar?Advanced astronomy, its fact that they were excellent astronomers?how could they predict such astronomical events,even though telescope was only invented many years later???
fredtzu 1 year ago
@fredtzu The kind of astronomical predictions the mayans made was not of the kind that demands a telescope. All it takes is good eyesite plenty of time and some inteligent people. The astronomical events the mayans where predicting are alignments of celestial objects that are all visible to the naked eye.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 In that time they already knew that Earth was round??That it revolved around its own axis and around the sun??That 1000's of years later a star would be in a certain place??It is said that you could lock a mayan ancient for months in the dark and when he'd get out h'ed know exactly the date just by looking at the stars..that absolutly out of question for even the best of our astronomers isnt it?I believe that the time-scale we're talking about is just too big for predictions....
fredtzu 1 year ago
@fredtzu All you are proving is that the mayans where good and I agree with that. But that tell us nothing of alien intervention. Why do you think the mayans, with out alien intervention, would have been uncapable of their achevements?
Faidros62 1 year ago
@fredtzu "that absolutly out of question for even the best of our astronomers isnt it?I" I´m only a amateur astronomer but I think I could tell the month by looking at the night sky. If I can get a reference (location of known object) of what time it is I think I could narrow it down even further. The mayans where also much more aware of the sky as both a clock and a calendar compared to us that are used to mechanical clocks and printed calendars.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@fredtzu The fact that we don´t know every aspect of how the ancient managed to do things does not mean there had to have been alien or devine intervention. It just mean that we have not figured it out how they did some of the things yet. "Aliens helped them" does not answer the question how they managed to do the things they did either and is no more an answer to the question than "God did it with magic". I believe the ancients where smart enough and that we should not take that away from them.
Faidros62 1 year ago
@Faidros62 nobody who knows the creator of the universe ever said God did it with magic.it is mans desire to be like God even to the point of tagging him magic and trying to some how explain that away as a human thing or aliens did it and then say there is no God.What He did He did !!! What man did man did because of Gods goodness.
anoyaliberal 1 year ago
@anoyaliberal Since the phrase "god did it with magic" is highly dependent on how you define your god... please define your god and what you think should be explained with "what he did he did". That last phrase however could probably be answered with "that what is is".
Faidros62 1 year ago
@fredtzu von conagain fully fledged nutbag
mugwamp4 1 year ago
UFO's are out there! Some other civilization was here a long long time ago!! And they are still looking at us! No way man kind could of made this!!!
markdipaolo 1 year ago
@markdipaolo why not ??/ its a big pile of stone blocks whats so hard about it??
mugwamp4 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 whats so hard about it??? Have you ever seen a pyramide? Man there massive!!!
markdipaolo 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 well in that i have to agree..but this is not about the amount of stone blocks in it...its about the they way they are disposed...and alligned with the 3 Orion's Belt stars???man that just makes me confused...then the amount of human labor needed to finish it??And what about the sphinx??why does the Egytian gvmnt. refuse to let the archeologists study it??
fredtzu 1 year ago
a lecture by inspector clouseau...priceless. i had to pause regularly to laugh my head off. Brilliant
JeromeChaos 2 years ago
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JeromeChaos 2 years ago
Von Daniken rules! Thanks for posting this lecture.
MrSkulleyes 2 years ago
@MrSkulleyes yeah rules the world of fakery conjobs and fabrications
mugwamp4 1 year ago
Von Daniken rocks!!!
Lechaton2113 2 years ago 9
Who is this lecturer? I would like to do more research on this.
LoveNow365 2 years ago 8
His name is Eric Von Daniken
Blackstarting 2 years ago 5
his name is erich von däniken! ;-)
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wognignignog 1 year ago
NICE!
damienz007 3 years ago 6