03 Cobra 460hp vs Mustang GT Vortech 440hp 35mph roll

[V8ORNOTHING81]

Finally a 2v that truly represents! Man that was pleasant to watch. Makes me proud of my GT. Didnt think it was possible for the GT to win. NitroGadvRules thats good info you put out there man. So a 2V GT can become the Beast I envisioned her to be.

[justinschmidt1]

I saw a vid of a vortech 2v on drag radials pulling 1.48 60 foot with a 2 step and a manual trans. was very impressive. He had eibach pro line springs...not really drag suspension

[A4Eaton]

@justinschmidt1 Damn.

[snailsnail43]

Lol road out in Mexico,more like road in las Vegas

[67mustang97]

Sweet what do both cars run in the 1/4?

[SIKMACH1]

There's no way

[lexingtontexas78947]

Ya buddy lol

[swooshonln]

sick.

[XBIGWALTX]

The*



[XBIGWALTX]

How do you like the T-56 and 4:10's? Im running a Vortech V-2 with 3:73's and the T-45 and im running out of gear. I was thinking about a T-56 for the extra overdrive but going to a 4:10 would defeat teh purpose again. Im also running a 315/35/17 in the rear

[Aprilbaby86]

Hey guys this is my car in the video I have been reading your comments and I wanted to let you know that the car is stock motor with a vortech and t56 trany and 4:10 gears and the car is actually full weight and it has hooker headers with magna flow exhaust thanks to Voodoo Racing Innovation shop the car is faster than I could have imagined >>>> Lovin my GT :) thanks Frank!!

[TriangleSquare52]

DAMN!!! my father should of kept his GT..we even had a kenne bell for it :(

[Stangnotch03]

Justin email me I'd like to talk about ur setup I am interestd in a vortech

[Tiger99dawg]

sick race!



[bigerch85]

How fast was that....55mph maybe!! yank tanks suck

[BeltDrivenMadness]

@bigerch85 your mom sucks mah dick.

[cbeck611]

i have a vortech mustang gt and i want to put a intercooler on it or meth injection, will i need to have it retuned after i install the intercooler

[A4Eaton]

@cbeck611 Yes.

[Texarmageddon]

meant to say drop below 4.1k or 4.2k....

[Silvr281]

I find it funny that most of you know this dudes setup and have no idea about his fucking car haha. It was built by my buddy frank at voodoo racing innovations . This is a stock motor btw and a t56 behind it with 4.10s. Needless to say the cobra got broke off!!!

[justinschmidt1]

@Silvr281

my stock longblock 2v car ran 11.35@ 121 mph with 11 psi from a vortech...Ive beat many cobras.

[Sk8FalIen]

@justinschmidt1 damn thats impressive, did you have suspension or weight reduction?

[justinschmidt1]

@Sk8FalIen

Suspension was not optimal, slammed on sportlines with MM rear control arms, weight reduction was minimal. Car weighed roughly 3350 with me in it. I had an alum block and took everything out of the trunk. The key to my success was most likely my built 4r70w with a 3800 stall, although my 60 foots were only 1.65

[Chadb89]

@justinschmidt1 Your 60fts were ONLY 1.65? dude your fucking crazy. my buddy built a 2g AWD Eclipse with hoosier drag slicks on all 4 tires running high 10 sec quarter mile times with a 1.7 sec 60ft

[67mustang97]

@Chadb89 My best 60' is a 1.66 in my 02 Mustang GT with 315/35/17 MT's.

[Chadb89]

@67mustang97 yeah thats impressive man good job, mickeys do the job well and 315s are wide enough too

[justinschmidt1]

@Chadb89 Lol, they are ok...but im sure If I had drag suspension and a trans brake I could be in the 1.4x 60 foot range

[Chadb89]

@justinschmidt1 yeah no doubt in my mind

[iMustangGT]

Go Ford or Go Home!

[cbeck611]

what exhaust was that on the vortech mustang?

[GIBILLS13]

? h20/meth injection, maybe a squirt of nos (wet for boosters) and those ponies would sprint. Lot of lag at shifts and roll launch.... can we talk cams?

[nukuino321]

Man that GT has some dark tint, windshield is dark!

[2889joeracer]

YYEAAAA boosted gt FTW

[branman50314]

there both good cars i like the mustang gts better tho

[Mr01stang]

The 4v head is going to always flow better, you can get the 2v close but you can always get a little more power out of the 4v. It all depends on the setup in the end. But as you see, it doesnt mean it will be the faster car, again.. it depends on weight, boost #'s, hp doesnt always mean faster...

[sfcjerryharris]

I have an 2001 Mustang Cobra, I have added the V-2 Vortech turbocharger to it and I can tell you this much, I have kicked a lot of 03-04 cobra asses and GTO's, Z28, the new SS Camero. The turbo kicks in and as you go up in speed, the more it pushes the car. The Supercharger is great for power now, but as it goes up, it loses a little. Now I am a member of the Mid Florida Mustang Club, and we have a lot of cars, and everyone will tell you, do the swap, take off that supercharger and put a turbo.

[steeda28]

@sfcjerryharris Are you retarted? A vortech v-2 is a supercharger !! The 03/04 cobras come with a roots style supercharger and the v-2 is a centrifugal SUPERCHARGER. For starters vortech doesnt even make turbo's and one is run from a belt and the other exhaust......you should pay more attention at your next club meet !!

[sfcjerryharris]

@steeda28 Well I'm not retarted, and Vortech makes superchargers and turbochargers. I have the V-2 E-Trim on mine as the video I put on here. Its under sfcjerryharris, I know the difference, mine pulls from the exhaust to get its power, it is hooked by a belt, but this is my 3 mustang and I do know a few tricks.

[steeda28]

@sfcjerryharris HHHmmmm you should stop while you are ahead...i dont care if you owned 50 mustangs vortech does not make turbos and it is hooked to a belt because that's what spins it, no where does exhuast spin it !! So yes you are retarted and need to learn a few more tricks....it never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are and try and spread non-sense as fact......

[sfcjerryharris]

@steeda28 Well sorry guy, not all of us understands the turbo from a supercharger. But if you look at my video, you will see the Vortech setup that I have, yes they call it a supercharger, but in reality, its a turbo that builds up it pressure, its link into my exhaust and oil feed from the engine. So sorry, for upsetting you, I'm still a learner myself.

[steeda28]

@sfcjerryharris So before you had a bunch of tricks up your sleeve and have had 3 mustangs now you are just learning? And in no reality is it a turbo !!!! All forced induction builds up pressure hence the reason people put boost guages in to see how many psi they are getting. And again it is not hooked up to the exhaust !!! It is sucking air in thru the fender and blowing it right into the car no where is it hooked to the exhaust, look at your own video for fucks sake and see for yourself !

[steeda28]

@steeda28 you also stated that the supercharger loses power as it goes up in speed might hold tru with an eaton supercharger but with a centrifugal ( which is what a vortech v-2 is in case you are wondering) supercharger the more the rpm the more boost so it doesnt loose anything as the revs go up ! You should maybe read a book or magazine some time so you dont seem so not smart to everyone........

[Deceptionz99]

the cobra should have won. a lot better heads plus a 6 speed wtf???

[thedudewhorocksalot]

@ninjafatballz they don't, they hopped the border then stole the car

[lilbeastpowell]

No basicly a Cobra is a Mustang Gt with a Supercharger added to it...

[muswangBOY2000]

@lilbeastpowell ur wrong buddy! lol...cobra has a dual over head cam 32 valve & gt is single over head cam 16 valve.

[steelstrings1312]

@lilbeastpowell wrong. engines are different and so is the drive train

[lilbeastpowell]

@steelstrings1312 Also Valves..

[9503gts]

thats a good question, how DOES a COBRA lose to a GT?

[garibay711cod]

@9503gts because the GT had a supercharger

[steelstrings1312]

@9503gts vortechs build their power as they move up RPM's. topmount superchargers have it all at one shot. the power he had at 2k rpms is the power he had at 5k rps. the GT built its power as he went. overall it would have been a tie race but 20hp doesnt make a HUGE difference at that point.

[Treyb0220]

@steelstrings1312 that and the gt is lighter, which im sure played a key roll

[grabberblusnake]

@steelstrings1312 its called roots style supercharger and the roots style makes power and boost as long as u keep the peddle down, roots, centrifugul superchargers it all depends on how you tune them oh and the centrifugal chargers are usually cheaper FYI

[NitroGadvRules]

@9503gts because the 2v sohc engine is very torquey. It doesn't have to rev nearly as high as the dohc variant and the lack of the irs and 4v heads also makes the gt much lighter, a good 200lbs lighter. There are advantages to the sohc engines that people often don't discuss. They make much more torque in the lower rpms which is why ford also used them in their trucks. Both engines are great and a few years I would have said do a 4v swap if you can but now with the trickflow heads just stay 2v

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules the torque thing is a proven myth. The 2v cars feel more torquey in stock form because they lack the top end pull of the 4v.

This is coming from a guy that owns a supercharged 2v. There isn't any real advantage other that weight, and its no 200 pounds either. The block is the same, the internals don't weigh much more, the only difference is those big heads, and they arn't that heavy. (aluminum).

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 After the heavier heads, and heavy irs it gets pretty close to 200lbs

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules The 03/04 cobras should weigh in at between 3850 and a hair over 4000 LB depending on driver. A stock GT is much much lighter than this (call it 3350). The motor isn't whats making all the difference though, its the IRS you mentioned along with a host of other things like upgraded rims/brakes, etc etc.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules the trickflows still won't keep up with a stock 4v head either, even a stock 4v head + cam will perform better than a trickflow + aftermarket cam.

Sucks, but 4vs are just better. The reason this guy won is the overall weight of the car, and their power numbers were pretty close.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 then how come the trickflow heads make more than 360hp at the crank on a stock intake and cams. The stock 4v only make 320hp at the crank. I have seen tfs builds theres more to making power than flow numbers. The tfs heads borrowed some design from the newer 3v heads to improve power in both the top end and in the lower end.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules I defiantly do not see anyone making 360+ crank horsepower on the stock car + heads alone, or even boltons + trickflow heads.

Your talking 315 WHP or so (15 percent drive line loss) which is not going to happen with even a full boltons + head car on the stock cams and compression. There can be no argument than it could make that kind of power on the stock exhaust and intake stuff.

Comparatively, a 4v n/a cobra would easily make 315+ on boltons alone, stock H/C/I

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules There can be made the arguement that its not really worth going to 4v heads from a cost standpoint if your starting with a 2v motor, but if your going to pick one or the other to start with, with cost not being a factor, the 4v will outperform the 2v every step of the way.

Too bad this isn't true, cause like I stated I own a vortech'd 2v GT.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 I think your underating the trickflow heads though. Even ford racing sells a top end kit with the trickflow heads that is rated at 390hp. Sure it probably is crank numbers but the 4v in its best years only made 320hp stock. Part number TFS-K519-390-375. And its rated at 375ft lbs of torque which is a ton of torque. Not to mention with some bigger cams you could be making even more. The tfs heads allow for up to a .6 inch lift which is much more lift than you can put on a 4v head.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 also that kit does not use a tfs intake so if you also added that you would gain even more power.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 also dyno tests show that the tfs have a big advantage over the 4v heads in the shape of the powerband. While they are similar in peak output they make significantly more torque throughout the powerband than the 4v heads especially at lower rpms.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules I'm sorry, but your just not seeing the power numbers on 2v cars you see with 4v cars.

390 crank horsepower is nothing. There are 450-470 WHEEL horsepower 4v cars out there naturally aspirated. Mod for mod, the 4v will make more power every time.

A stock 4v head flows more than a trick flow 2v head. A ported 4v head flows ALOT more. It sucks, but its the way it is.

I guess what I am saying is, every mod you do to a 2v will make more power if it was done to a 4v.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules If your going to compare a stock 4v car to a full boltons/built motor 2v car, I am sure the powerband looks better on the 2v. However, mod the 4v in the same way (boltons/cams etc etc) and it will make more.

Same deal on even the 3v. The problem lies in ford designing the block first, and fitting the heads to it. The geometry required for a head on a 4.6L requires even aftermarket heads to flow poorly compared to other setups like the 4v or even 3v cars.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules Look at all the fully built 4.6L out there. Your seeing 600-650 WHP 2v cars on blower and 750~ on turbo, but your seeing 700+ on blower and 950+ on turbo 4v setups.

I wish this wasn't true, cause my car would run better than it does. Theres a reason ford choose the 4v for both the 03/04 cobras and the GT500s, not to mention the Ford GT. They just flow better and make better power, no matter the RPM.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 theres a twin turbo bored out and stroked to 5.0 with the trickflows making 680rwhp through an automatic on a turbo at only 16 psi. And hes not done tuning yet and has yet to get turbo cams. If you build the motor by increasing the bore spacing you can make over 1000rwhp if you go crazy. These are unported heads. I would imagine if you ported them you could gain even more. There are plenty of 2v making over 1000rwhp. But I wouldn't even need that much. 600rwhp is fine for a car.

[NitroGadvRules]

@testy462 actually look up hardmetalworks 1000hp 2v, they made much better numbers even without trickflow heads. 16 psi they made 937rwhp, 19 psi with ignition timing down a bit they made 1006rwhp.

[testy462]

@NitroGadvRules The point being is, anything you can do to a 2v, you can do to a 4v with better results. It sucks, but its just the way it is.

Setup any 2v any way you like, dyno it, run it on the 1/4, then swap out for a similarly setup 4v and it will perform better, trick flow head or no.

[Texarmageddon]

@NitroGadvRules Yet, with the trickflow heads.. your power just got pushed up the powerband... the 2v peaks in torque at 4000... the 4v peaks at 4200...I understand you're saying the 2v will see a little more torque in the lower RPMS, but thing is... in a race... wouldn't the 2v suffer more? You will rarely drop to 4.1/ .2 k

[NitroGadvRules]

@Texarmageddon there are very few low end losses with the trickflow heads. Even most of the low rpm gets significant gains. This is because the entire head design has been changed including the location of the valves. It is pretty much a clean sheet head design.

[ninjafatballz]

SInce when does Mexico have roads that nice?

[BigThangsPoppinMayne]

@ninjafatballz since u took ur head out of ur ass

[Artchred]

That mustang has different gears for sure.

[jackazz911]

how dose a cobra lose a race with a gt !!!!!!!

[CmMustang03]

Your an idiot, it's a gt racing a cobra, the cobra is the camera car... Look at the mirror, gt's don't have the lower angle on the mirror

[coleconner]

This is not a Cobra btw... You can tell by the body it's a GT...

[hipnaughtic]

@coleconner The camera car is the Cobra, you can hear the Eaton supercharger whining. And it lost because it's considerably heavier (3700lbs) compared to the GT (3300lbs).

[7777mattie7777]

good race an so what if the cobra lost the GT might have had a lil bit more work done to it so quit talking trash on the cobra

[Soulscarz]

hmm and the cobra's have 6 gears which means it should roll through the gears faster then the gt and having the same top speed while having better acceleration to get there, weird

[The03GTSTANG]

woo hoo go GT!

[mazda6tuner99]

that 2 valves has some top end power

[higbull]

well lets get into physics here. if a car has a similiar wait and can achieve almost the same hp from less RPM's it should win. if it takes you more RPM'S to create the same or similiar hp, it will take longer to achieve that hp than those that create the same from less RPM. RPM's isn't always a good thing!

[FordsBetter516]

@higbull well lets get into english here. wait, is used as "im waiting on my wife to get done washing the dishes". weight, is used as, "hey baby you should lose some weight" would you like to chose one to fit in your paragraph?

[cobra2004t]

just cause some 1 has a cobra dont mean they can drive

[03SilverMustangGT]

@cobra2004t

Okay..... You should also put into perspective if the GT had gears, or suspension mods. It isn't always just hp that wins the race. But yea gears are a big player

[swooshonln]

nice video.

[dteal23]

take out the camera man and its a driivers race

[RTree613]

@dteal23 true

[magikstik8457]

watch my video, thats how its done

[VollgasHero]

dang.. lol