why is everyone arguing 29 men lost their lives and everyone done what they could to try and save them...if more men went down we would have lost more lives...unfortunately for the minors and the families there were too much gases down there and nothing could be done...media is media they twist stories that shouldnt be twisted...not saying they did though...
@truekiwijoker Thank you for your input. However I doubt very much that NZ media "milked" it for all it's worth...On the bodies of 29 good hard working men your statement is rather indecent. Nonetheless I am a firm believer that often in life "impulsive men" are those that saves lives without asking too many questions and at the risks of their own. Bet you have some interesting stories to tell about safety in UK coal mines... Have a good life!
@kraken58 Well you may have your doubt but I KNOW they milked it for every sensationalist angle. And what exactly do you find about anything I've said indecent? I think your belief about impulsiveness must be born out of a limited life experience, and if you are one of the believers that rescue teams should have broken every international protocol of coal mining and rushed into the methane rich environment then I've clearly wasted my time. And P.S. I was talking about Newcastle NSW.
@truekiwijoker It appears that you are rather complacent in accepting fatalities and preventable tragedies. May I suggest you read with a bit more "in depth" the information released in today's press and learn for your self that Mining in NZ is well and far behind safety standards related to Australian mines. Should I assume you are working for Gas and Oil New Zealand or any of its affiliates. Are you a mining company CEO ? And that is now for me...that lives here in NZ !
@kraken58 [shakes head] Look there is no reason to use that tone with me and frankly I find it rude. Seeing as you're interested I once worked as an offsider in a coal mine near Newcastle for three months after which I had enough to get to Kalgoolie and work in a safer and lower paying job in an iron ore pit. That's how I know what I'm talking about. The NZ media have milked this for all it's worth with sensationalism and I do not understand how anyone intelligent believes anything they read.
@kraken58 This same media was repeatedly describing the 29 mens predicament misleadingly as "trapped" when the likelihood of them surviving the first explosion was extremely low. They also kept calling the S&R effort a "rescue" effort and implied that they should charge in there. I would take anything you read in the paper with a grain of salt. Why not wait until the independent enquiries are made before deciding anything was preventable? it's not complacency from me it's impulsiveness from you.
@truekiwijoker I maintain their deaths was "unnecessary" because if all safety measures were implemented with efficient ventilation systems and engineering infrastructures this tragedy would most probably not happened. By the way I always knew that coal mining is hazardous.Are Australian coal mines as dangerous for their workers than NZ ? God forbid us in NZ to ever attempt one day in building and running a Nuclear power plant...
@kraken58 Coal mines in developed countries worldwide are about the same in terms of safety and have about the same rate of electrical failures and ventilation breakdowns - once a week. Even the best ventilation systems and safety measures are no guarantee in coal mines. The only big question with this one is how the ventilation wasn't running again in 4 hours. You need to accept that the world is a crap place and sometimes a horrible thing like this happens and there's nothing that can be done.
@kraken58 Reading and hearing some of the guff from the NZ public over this tragedy it seems to me that the absence of much coal mining from NZ since the 1960's has led us to ignorance of this industry. The opinion most Kiwis born before 1955 I would be an outlook on this that is more fatalistic. But what is NOT excusable is this attitude I'm increasingly seeing amongst my countrymen of assuming things and forming a concrete opinion without checking the facts or all perspectives .
@truekiwijoker I fully understand Methane build up in coal mine,nothing new here. But what I do not comprehend is in this day and age of high technology how come 29 men unnecessarily die because of an evident poor monitoring of methane levels in this mine. Inadequate ventilation shaft and machinery ? / poor construction of methane piping extraction ? Very poor static monitoring equipment disseminated throughout the mine? Who did not do their job properly here? Lack of financial resources?
@kraken58 There's a story going around that the ventilation systems broke down which is what the surviving electrician was servicing at the time of the explosion. This is a hairy situation that occurs once a week in mines worldwide on average. What will be investigated is that allegedly it was 4 hours between when the ventilation broke down (and the miners went to the safe areas) and the explosion. Also realise that as the mine entrance is below the mine methane builds up more rapidly.
@kraken58 You're also making assumptions when you declare their deaths "unnecessary" or that the art of coal mining has changed much over the last 100 years. There is always and always has been a risk of firedamp explosions and it's always been problematic to maintain ventilation over such long distances in such hot and confined spaces. Coal mining is extremely hazardous and a major accident such as this occurs at least once a year worldwide.
Methane gas is a By Product of coal.....it comes from the coal itself....methane is present in every coal mine in the world....This explosion was massave and l dont think any of these men would have survived more than a few seconds . l know that is of little comfort to the families of the men , but l dont think that they suffered . RIP and condolences from Wales
@ALAJOHNSTONE Yes I thought about that tragedy back in April at the upper big branch mine and the similarities on Saturday. May they also rest in peace.
@blackazdiamond Well I suppose I will be the one to bother telling you there are NO live volcanoes in the south island of New Zealand. So it does seem that we the New Zealanders who are mourning these men, are not the stupid ones. So people before you sit there making these cruel and uniformed comments take a moment to think of the loved ones these men have left behind. Although why I bother to even say this to someone that would post this crap hehe! Kia Kaha NZ!
@Odette321 You are an idiot. Methane isn't a "volcanic gas". It's organic and very common in underground coal mine. Stop talking crap about things you obviously know nothing about, and have a bit of respect for the dead.
the main thing is the families of the trapped miners now have some closure, not knowing whether they were okay or not is so hard on them. I know we are all thinking about the families and our deepest sympathy goes out to them. I hope we can learn from this and use it to help out the rest of the miners in new zealand. Maybe they should shut down that particular mine?
@DickKnowsBest I'm glad it ended without more people being killed. It's likely noone survived the first blast. The cause of the initial blast is what needs investigating, I cannot fault the management of the rescue. Even then, explosive hazards are generally very well managed, but worldwide, thousands of men are killed the same way every year. It's a dangerous business, and there may be no place to lay blame. What we don't need is a scapegoat.
@DickKnowsBest that kind of reasoning is why we have trained rescue people. why not try to rescue them immediately? google brookwood mine or raspadskaya for your answer.
@gabrielswede: Only hours after you and alunhughes 147 commented and sure enough there was a second explosion at the mine today, I can`t even fathom the heart felt sorrow and sympathy i and many people have for the families of all who were lost on this sad day, This is one day will never ever forget. R I P.
@MaoriStylz009 What the media should have told NZ but didn't in the interest of media hype is that they only had a very slim chance of surviving the first explosion on the 19th. I honestly think that if they ever recover the bodies and they're able to perform autopsies they'll discover they were all dead within a minute of that explosion.
What ever the outcome, no one can be blamed for this. First Chile now Pike river & countless unmentioned others.. Maybe it's a sign from the earth to stop mining.
@WatTheFuuuk So what will we replace metals and compounds like steel with? what will we run most of the worlds power plants on? shall we also stop driving automobiles as they are also dangerous and result in people perishing in horrific ways?
NZ is a country where volcanic gases are close to the surface and there should have never been an underground mine there. Mine officials have their own interests at heart.
I cannot figure out why on earth those guys went into the mine with someone knowing very well that methane was of significant concerns! Also aren't the media reporting of at least 2 individuals being off work supposedly sick with methane poisoning via inhalation well before the explosion. Is this another classic kiwi case of commercial gains and shareholders satisfaction before security? What a tragedy and how poorly organised and equipped were rescue teams just after the explosion...
@kraken58 You need to look up the facts about coal mining. Every single coal mine in the 250 year history of mining has had problems with methane gas. Where you get coal you get organic gases but predominantly methane. There is always the risk of a methane explosion and miners often have to stop work and sit in safe areas or be evacuated due to a fault in the ventilation or a build up in methane. if an explosion happens the chances of anyone surviving is very slim with slim chance of rescue.
If it wasn't for the greenies then it would have been an open pitt mine but nooo.... we have to look after the trees they are way more important then human lives..
Please please find these top hard-working blokes and bring them home to their families! Kia Kaha xoxox
But I have to say the media/journo's at those news conferences are asking some seriously fucked up questions; like that prick that compared stuff to 9/11 etc, I could have punched his lights out, what a dick! The last thing they need are dumb questions from some hyped up idealistic pen to paper faggot.
Be strong west coast, heart and thoughts are with you! xox
The miners inside could be killed at any time by a gas explosion regardless of whether they send in rescuers or not.
Rescuers want to go in and they know the danger but the super intendant cannot take that risk on more lives. I don't think the gas levels will drop so I guess they will eventually have to send a rescue team in.
Did u watch the briefing on channels 1 & 3 this morning? The mine boss just said that neither the robots nor the rescuers would set off an explosion they are not sending anyone in because theres is a chance the mine could explode at anytime whether or not they send people in. Sending rescuers in doesn't effect the likelihood of causing an explosion - the mine could blow at anytime by the gasses within.
@gabrielswede U are the stupid one. 29 good men are about to die if no one goes in. u dont even want to risk it? they are going to die and they are counting on someone to rescue them, i hope they do something more then send in a robot
The mine is not blocked and a person with bottled air could easily walk 2 km in and 2 km out in an hour with a full face air delivery mask pulling extra bottle air on a household moving trolly. This could have happened on the first day and as soon as the first person was ready to walk in hours after the explosion. The risks of explosion are far less after the explosion. A 70 year old person experienced in working in the mine may want to offer up to the risk to save a 17 year old in the mine.
@rjyconsulting It's been 5 days since the explosion, the gases have built up again under the surface. NZ's geological activity is different than most other countries.
@rjyconsulting There is no way that a person could walk 2 km in and 2 km out in an hour...walking underground is not like walking on the surface and with breathing equipment on, and conditions in the mine after the explosion would have detereated . Also the risk of a second explosion is still very high after the first explosion...methane is a light gas and would rise into any holes caused by the explosion . l understand your anger . l think too that in the UK they would have gone in earlier
@eeeaten Next time your stuck in this situation we will send in a robot to see if your alive. If it takes 6 days then we'll just have to accept that we done our best.
@441bazza aren't you glad that second explosion didn't kill anyone else? don't insult the guys who are doing their best to make a rescue happen. if you can't comprehend the danger, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. getting angry doesn't help, and praying doesn't help.
@whereeaglesdontdare takes one to know one. its obvious the super intendant is treating this like a construction plan instead of a rescue mission, he has no intention of sending anyone in to pull them out - he is just making sure no one else gets hurt but in the process gave no chance for those men to be rescued.
I wonder if they would have acted faster if John Key's or the Super Intendant's son were down in that dark, wet mine for 5 days?
The father of that 17yr old said he thought they would be out by Sunday at the latest. Now we are still no closer to knowing anything. They aren't even going to try and go down there.
clearly every effort is being made to rescue any possible (but unlikely) survivors. prayer and anger are the two things least likely to be of any help.
@haydenjames12345 like many others l have hoped and prayed for the miracle that would bring these men out safely . but for a long time now l have feared the worst . The explosion was massave and it would have taken a miracle just for them to survive that....but followed by fire and bad air..? l cannot understand the optimistic reports coming from the Police Dept that were giving people a false sense of hope . that was wrong. .l was a coal miner for over 25 years so know a little bit about it
@whereeaglesdontdare Your the type of person that just settles for whateva is said - your a sheep accepting that there is nothing else they can do. Do you think they have done everything they could have possibly done? Its day 5 and no results - do you just accept this? Your name says it all mate - where eagles dont dare
im on the fence with this one. yes they should go in by now. 5 days later. too long. its like waiting for the fire to go out before sending in the firefighters? did the firefighters at 9/11 wait until the building was safe beofre going in? No they didnt, they went in, even though there was immenent danger. then again, what would we be saying if they sent in a resuce team and they died too? or even worse, they caused another explosion that killed the 29 men who maybe alive still?
starting drilling 50 hours after the explosion is just bloody useless! The mine's CEO said you can go down the mine tunnel with breathing apparatus but theres the danger of an explosion - its the last throw of the dice, let them have a go - they are there to rescue people, not collect bodies. 5 days and no results - not good enough
Guys, I bet there are a ton of people, army guys, family, miners willing to risk their lives just to pull those men out of there. I don't think the conditions in the mine will change - nobody wants to try and be a hero, but at the same time if that was your dad or brother or son, how could you just sit and wait? I'm not saying run into the mine, but at least send one person into check it out instead of relying on robots that break down. Its day 5 now, come on someone, get our guys out...
@whereeaglesdontdare Imagine the frustration of the families? super intendant says that we have all the resources? we can send army men and troops over to fight and die in wars but we can't even take a chance to save our own? come on this is now day 4 and we are no closer than we were in day 1? Next time your stuck in a mine, we'll just take air samples - we cant possibly take a chance on saving your life or 29 others at the expense of ruining the super intendant's pc operation.
why is everyone arguing 29 men lost their lives and everyone done what they could to try and save them...if more men went down we would have lost more lives...unfortunately for the minors and the families there were too much gases down there and nothing could be done...media is media they twist stories that shouldnt be twisted...not saying they did though...
cindel11 1 year ago
@truekiwijoker Thank you for your input. However I doubt very much that NZ media "milked" it for all it's worth...On the bodies of 29 good hard working men your statement is rather indecent. Nonetheless I am a firm believer that often in life "impulsive men" are those that saves lives without asking too many questions and at the risks of their own. Bet you have some interesting stories to tell about safety in UK coal mines... Have a good life!
kraken58 1 year ago
@kraken58 Well you may have your doubt but I KNOW they milked it for every sensationalist angle. And what exactly do you find about anything I've said indecent? I think your belief about impulsiveness must be born out of a limited life experience, and if you are one of the believers that rescue teams should have broken every international protocol of coal mining and rushed into the methane rich environment then I've clearly wasted my time. And P.S. I was talking about Newcastle NSW.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@truekiwijoker It appears that you are rather complacent in accepting fatalities and preventable tragedies. May I suggest you read with a bit more "in depth" the information released in today's press and learn for your self that Mining in NZ is well and far behind safety standards related to Australian mines. Should I assume you are working for Gas and Oil New Zealand or any of its affiliates. Are you a mining company CEO ? And that is now for me...that lives here in NZ !
kraken58 1 year ago
@kraken58 [shakes head] Look there is no reason to use that tone with me and frankly I find it rude. Seeing as you're interested I once worked as an offsider in a coal mine near Newcastle for three months after which I had enough to get to Kalgoolie and work in a safer and lower paying job in an iron ore pit. That's how I know what I'm talking about. The NZ media have milked this for all it's worth with sensationalism and I do not understand how anyone intelligent believes anything they read.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@kraken58 This same media was repeatedly describing the 29 mens predicament misleadingly as "trapped" when the likelihood of them surviving the first explosion was extremely low. They also kept calling the S&R effort a "rescue" effort and implied that they should charge in there. I would take anything you read in the paper with a grain of salt. Why not wait until the independent enquiries are made before deciding anything was preventable? it's not complacency from me it's impulsiveness from you.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@truekiwijoker I maintain their deaths was "unnecessary" because if all safety measures were implemented with efficient ventilation systems and engineering infrastructures this tragedy would most probably not happened. By the way I always knew that coal mining is hazardous.Are Australian coal mines as dangerous for their workers than NZ ? God forbid us in NZ to ever attempt one day in building and running a Nuclear power plant...
kraken58 1 year ago
@kraken58 Coal mines in developed countries worldwide are about the same in terms of safety and have about the same rate of electrical failures and ventilation breakdowns - once a week. Even the best ventilation systems and safety measures are no guarantee in coal mines. The only big question with this one is how the ventilation wasn't running again in 4 hours. You need to accept that the world is a crap place and sometimes a horrible thing like this happens and there's nothing that can be done.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@kraken58 Reading and hearing some of the guff from the NZ public over this tragedy it seems to me that the absence of much coal mining from NZ since the 1960's has led us to ignorance of this industry. The opinion most Kiwis born before 1955 I would be an outlook on this that is more fatalistic. But what is NOT excusable is this attitude I'm increasingly seeing amongst my countrymen of assuming things and forming a concrete opinion without checking the facts or all perspectives .
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@truekiwijoker I fully understand Methane build up in coal mine,nothing new here. But what I do not comprehend is in this day and age of high technology how come 29 men unnecessarily die because of an evident poor monitoring of methane levels in this mine. Inadequate ventilation shaft and machinery ? / poor construction of methane piping extraction ? Very poor static monitoring equipment disseminated throughout the mine? Who did not do their job properly here? Lack of financial resources?
kraken58 1 year ago
@kraken58 There's a story going around that the ventilation systems broke down which is what the surviving electrician was servicing at the time of the explosion. This is a hairy situation that occurs once a week in mines worldwide on average. What will be investigated is that allegedly it was 4 hours between when the ventilation broke down (and the miners went to the safe areas) and the explosion. Also realise that as the mine entrance is below the mine methane builds up more rapidly.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
@kraken58 You're also making assumptions when you declare their deaths "unnecessary" or that the art of coal mining has changed much over the last 100 years. There is always and always has been a risk of firedamp explosions and it's always been problematic to maintain ventilation over such long distances in such hot and confined spaces. Coal mining is extremely hazardous and a major accident such as this occurs at least once a year worldwide.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
Methane gas is a By Product of coal.....it comes from the coal itself....methane is present in every coal mine in the world....This explosion was massave and l dont think any of these men would have survived more than a few seconds . l know that is of little comfort to the families of the men , but l dont think that they suffered . RIP and condolences from Wales
alunhughes147 1 year ago
tis so easy for people to comment when they really dont know what they are talking about
stinkie1968 1 year ago
why are people saying the miners were sending cell fone msgs to their families from the mine.
mymonsa1 1 year ago
29 souls died in this mining tradgedy on 19 Nov 2010 in New Zealand.
29 souls died in another coal mine explosion on April 06, 2010 in West Virginia.
"The church bell chimed, it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald"
ALAJOHNSTONE 1 year ago
@ALAJOHNSTONE Yes I thought about that tragedy back in April at the upper big branch mine and the similarities on Saturday. May they also rest in peace.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
DUMB NEW ZEALANDERS!! mining near the volcano lmao,,
blackazdiamond 1 year ago
@blackazdiamond
Your ignorance is showing. Please remain silent & merely thought a fool, no need to babble & remove any doubt.
2ndtuenon 1 year ago
@blackazdiamond you fuckhead
squid1438 1 year ago
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@blackazdiamond u dick head
555kells 1 year ago
@blackazdiamond i dare you to say that to the families of the miners - u would b punched in the face by at least half of Greymouth
555kells 1 year ago
@blackazdiamond Well I suppose I will be the one to bother telling you there are NO live volcanoes in the south island of New Zealand. So it does seem that we the New Zealanders who are mourning these men, are not the stupid ones. So people before you sit there making these cruel and uniformed comments take a moment to think of the loved ones these men have left behind. Although why I bother to even say this to someone that would post this crap hehe! Kia Kaha NZ!
denisenewz 1 year ago
@blackazdiamond u r an asshole. fuck u
wcocowcocow 1 year ago
@wcocowcocow y dont u go and fuck the ausies your country is paying $10,000 per hour to clean your countrys shit lol
blackazdiamond 1 year ago
The fact that the explosion which trapped these guys was not the first in the last couple of weeks should have been a sign for those in charge.
Odette321 1 year ago
@Odette321 where were the other explosions?
eeeaten 1 year ago
@Odette321 You are an idiot. Methane isn't a "volcanic gas". It's organic and very common in underground coal mine. Stop talking crap about things you obviously know nothing about, and have a bit of respect for the dead.
MawhrinSkell 1 year ago
the main thing is the families of the trapped miners now have some closure, not knowing whether they were okay or not is so hard on them. I know we are all thinking about the families and our deepest sympathy goes out to them. I hope we can learn from this and use it to help out the rest of the miners in new zealand. Maybe they should shut down that particular mine?
JuanMariu 1 year ago
@DickKnowsBest a kind of fish
eeeaten 1 year ago
@DickKnowsBest google it?
eeeaten 1 year ago
@DickKnowsBest i'm glad we got that tidied up :)
eeeaten 1 year ago
@DickKnowsBest I'm glad it ended without more people being killed. It's likely noone survived the first blast. The cause of the initial blast is what needs investigating, I cannot fault the management of the rescue. Even then, explosive hazards are generally very well managed, but worldwide, thousands of men are killed the same way every year. It's a dangerous business, and there may be no place to lay blame. What we don't need is a scapegoat.
eeeaten 1 year ago
@DickKnowsBest that kind of reasoning is why we have trained rescue people. why not try to rescue them immediately? google brookwood mine or raspadskaya for your answer.
eeeaten 1 year ago
@gabrielswede: Only hours after you and alunhughes 147 commented and sure enough there was a second explosion at the mine today, I can`t even fathom the heart felt sorrow and sympathy i and many people have for the families of all who were lost on this sad day, This is one day will never ever forget. R I P.
MaoriStylz009 1 year ago
@MaoriStylz009 What the media should have told NZ but didn't in the interest of media hype is that they only had a very slim chance of surviving the first explosion on the 19th. I honestly think that if they ever recover the bodies and they're able to perform autopsies they'll discover they were all dead within a minute of that explosion.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
What ever the outcome, no one can be blamed for this. First Chile now Pike river & countless unmentioned others.. Maybe it's a sign from the earth to stop mining.
WatTheFuuuk 1 year ago
@WatTheFuuuk So what will we replace metals and compounds like steel with? what will we run most of the worlds power plants on? shall we also stop driving automobiles as they are also dangerous and result in people perishing in horrific ways?
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
NZ is a country where volcanic gases are close to the surface and there should have never been an underground mine there. Mine officials have their own interests at heart.
Odette321 1 year ago
@Odette321 there are no volcanoes in the area. unrelated.
eeeaten 1 year ago
@eeeaten "Volcanic gases" are emitted in NZ (did I say they had volcanoes near the mine?). They shouldn't be mining there.
Odette321 1 year ago
@Odette321 why shouldn't they be mining there?
eeeaten 1 year ago
@Odette321 there are no volcanos near that mine! where are you from and where did you get your info?
stinkie1968 1 year ago
There has just been another explosion, survivors are not expected. Our thoughts and Prayers are with all.
kaderoder 1 year ago
Rest in peace all 29 miners may Jesus Christ be with you
Rekatar 1 year ago
I cannot figure out why on earth those guys went into the mine with someone knowing very well that methane was of significant concerns! Also aren't the media reporting of at least 2 individuals being off work supposedly sick with methane poisoning via inhalation well before the explosion. Is this another classic kiwi case of commercial gains and shareholders satisfaction before security? What a tragedy and how poorly organised and equipped were rescue teams just after the explosion...
kraken58 1 year ago
@kraken58 its mining.. its all about the dollar at the end of the day sometimes i dont want to go to work because i know its not safe
stripeyonefromtas 1 year ago
@kraken58 You need to look up the facts about coal mining. Every single coal mine in the 250 year history of mining has had problems with methane gas. Where you get coal you get organic gases but predominantly methane. There is always the risk of a methane explosion and miners often have to stop work and sit in safe areas or be evacuated due to a fault in the ventilation or a build up in methane. if an explosion happens the chances of anyone surviving is very slim with slim chance of rescue.
truekiwijoker 1 year ago
If it wasn't for the greenies then it would have been an open pitt mine but nooo.... we have to look after the trees they are way more important then human lives..
Sherlockblondie 1 year ago
Please please find these top hard-working blokes and bring them home to their families! Kia Kaha xoxox
But I have to say the media/journo's at those news conferences are asking some seriously fucked up questions; like that prick that compared stuff to 9/11 etc, I could have punched his lights out, what a dick! The last thing they need are dumb questions from some hyped up idealistic pen to paper faggot.
Be strong west coast, heart and thoughts are with you! xox
nzecureuil2 1 year ago 2
The miners inside could be killed at any time by a gas explosion regardless of whether they send in rescuers or not.
Rescuers want to go in and they know the danger but the super intendant cannot take that risk on more lives. I don't think the gas levels will drop so I guess they will eventually have to send a rescue team in.
GreatestGuide 1 year ago
Did u watch the briefing on channels 1 & 3 this morning? The mine boss just said that neither the robots nor the rescuers would set off an explosion they are not sending anyone in because theres is a chance the mine could explode at anytime whether or not they send people in. Sending rescuers in doesn't effect the likelihood of causing an explosion - the mine could blow at anytime by the gasses within.
441bazza 1 year ago
@gabrielswede U are the stupid one. 29 good men are about to die if no one goes in. u dont even want to risk it? they are going to die and they are counting on someone to rescue them, i hope they do something more then send in a robot
441bazza 1 year ago
It's a moral dilemma that I wouldn't want to be in charge of deciding.
Odette321 1 year ago 2
The mine is not blocked and a person with bottled air could easily walk 2 km in and 2 km out in an hour with a full face air delivery mask pulling extra bottle air on a household moving trolly. This could have happened on the first day and as soon as the first person was ready to walk in hours after the explosion. The risks of explosion are far less after the explosion. A 70 year old person experienced in working in the mine may want to offer up to the risk to save a 17 year old in the mine.
rjyconsulting 1 year ago
@rjyconsulting It's been 5 days since the explosion, the gases have built up again under the surface. NZ's geological activity is different than most other countries.
Odette321 1 year ago
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alunhughes147 1 year ago
@rjyconsulting There is no way that a person could walk 2 km in and 2 km out in an hour...walking underground is not like walking on the surface and with breathing equipment on, and conditions in the mine after the explosion would have detereated . Also the risk of a second explosion is still very high after the first explosion...methane is a light gas and would rise into any holes caused by the explosion . l understand your anger . l think too that in the UK they would have gone in earlier
alunhughes147 1 year ago
angry "they ain't done enough" retards are an embarrassment.
eeeaten 1 year ago 9
@eeeaten Next time your stuck in this situation we will send in a robot to see if your alive. If it takes 6 days then we'll just have to accept that we done our best.
441bazza 1 year ago 2
@441bazza aren't you glad that second explosion didn't kill anyone else? don't insult the guys who are doing their best to make a rescue happen. if you can't comprehend the danger, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. getting angry doesn't help, and praying doesn't help.
eeeaten 1 year ago
Situation: They send in a rescue team, fully prepared, breathing apparatus, digging gear etc.
A. They clear the tunnel and find the miners.
B. They cause an explosion and everyone dies.
C. They clear the tunnel, cause an explosion, find the miners and some people die.
jmarz2013477 1 year ago
@whereeaglesdontdare wake up joker, they never done enough for the poor guys. Tell that to the families that turn up for the briefing every morning.
FAMDroneReview 1 year ago
@whereeaglesdontdare takes one to know one. its obvious the super intendant is treating this like a construction plan instead of a rescue mission, he has no intention of sending anyone in to pull them out - he is just making sure no one else gets hurt but in the process gave no chance for those men to be rescued.
cureovariancysts 1 year ago
I wonder if they would have acted faster if John Key's or the Super Intendant's son were down in that dark, wet mine for 5 days?
The father of that 17yr old said he thought they would be out by Sunday at the latest. Now we are still no closer to knowing anything. They aren't even going to try and go down there.
cureovariancysts 1 year ago
clearly every effort is being made to rescue any possible (but unlikely) survivors. prayer and anger are the two things least likely to be of any help.
eeeaten 1 year ago
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haydenjames12345 1 year ago
@haydenjames12345 like many others l have hoped and prayed for the miracle that would bring these men out safely . but for a long time now l have feared the worst . The explosion was massave and it would have taken a miracle just for them to survive that....but followed by fire and bad air..? l cannot understand the optimistic reports coming from the Police Dept that were giving people a false sense of hope . that was wrong. .l was a coal miner for over 25 years so know a little bit about it
alunhughes147 1 year ago
@whereeaglesdontdare Your the type of person that just settles for whateva is said - your a sheep accepting that there is nothing else they can do. Do you think they have done everything they could have possibly done? Its day 5 and no results - do you just accept this? Your name says it all mate - where eagles dont dare
JuanMariu 1 year ago
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And u must be one for saying it bub.
Legendliveon 1 year ago
im on the fence with this one. yes they should go in by now. 5 days later. too long. its like waiting for the fire to go out before sending in the firefighters? did the firefighters at 9/11 wait until the building was safe beofre going in? No they didnt, they went in, even though there was immenent danger. then again, what would we be saying if they sent in a resuce team and they died too? or even worse, they caused another explosion that killed the 29 men who maybe alive still?
anaruk 1 year ago
starting drilling 50 hours after the explosion is just bloody useless! The mine's CEO said you can go down the mine tunnel with breathing apparatus but theres the danger of an explosion - its the last throw of the dice, let them have a go - they are there to rescue people, not collect bodies. 5 days and no results - not good enough
555kells 1 year ago
Guys, I bet there are a ton of people, army guys, family, miners willing to risk their lives just to pull those men out of there. I don't think the conditions in the mine will change - nobody wants to try and be a hero, but at the same time if that was your dad or brother or son, how could you just sit and wait? I'm not saying run into the mine, but at least send one person into check it out instead of relying on robots that break down. Its day 5 now, come on someone, get our guys out...
jasontanner96 1 year ago
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@whereeaglesdontdare Juan is right buddy your the idiot :) peace
xPlodTV 1 year ago
@whereeaglesdontdare Imagine the frustration of the families? super intendant says that we have all the resources? we can send army men and troops over to fight and die in wars but we can't even take a chance to save our own? come on this is now day 4 and we are no closer than we were in day 1? Next time your stuck in a mine, we'll just take air samples - we cant possibly take a chance on saving your life or 29 others at the expense of ruining the super intendant's pc operation.
JuanMariu 1 year ago
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nigelitis1 1 year ago
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Its taking too long, the super intendant is just too slow. he's handling it terribly.
JuanMariu 1 year ago