All the arguments over who is "better" is irrelevant. The best musicians know... It's not how many notes you can play, it's how you play them that counts! In Chris's case, he can do both!
you can say he is "the best" mandolin player ever... but theres always one better discovered or not. He is a fantastic mandolin player and i am incredibly jealous of his talent, but also Sam Bush's.
Chris Thile is Genius in his own right. He's pushed new painted pictures with his music. He can't be compared to the other Masters of music in the past, present or future. He is his own. Perfect.
I would love to hear his soo work like this, taken and worked around a symphony orchestra, I think at some point he really needs to do that. I think he is pound for pound probably the best musician around today, and agree no point in comparing him to Bach, Mozart etc... each person hears something different, and if Thile is the best thing you have ever heard, then that's all that is important. I truly think he is brilliant because the music comes out from his very soul.
@cormackjames: Thile has actually written a mandolin concerto and performed it with an orchestra- can't rember which one off the top of my head. Unfortunately i can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere :(
@cormackjames: Thile has actually written a mandolin concerto and performed it with an orchestra- can't remember which one off the top of my head. Unfortunately i can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere :(
Wow, you can't even compare any current musician with Bach, Bethoveen, Mozard, etc. These musicians lived in different times where conceptions of what was good, amazing, beautiful, what had "soul", were totally different than now.
To be honest all musicians that have the ability to transfer what they think into their instruments are genious, no need to compare, bring down or insult one or the other.
Just saw him at Interlochen Arts Academy in Mi with the World Youth Orchestra...amazing. He made everyone in the audience pay attention and think. Very innovative. A blend of traditional and modern...hard to pull off. How do his fingers move that fast...?
@Irshkboy uhh... Chris Thile is quite an incredible musician, quite arguably one of the best on earth. Bach is the God of western music. don't go dissing Bach.
Why does anyone feel the need to put Bach or Thile down in order to justfiy their admiration for the other? Can anoyne really consider Bach's music souless?!?! By the way, Bach was considered a master of it improvisation in his day. He used mathematical rules but that in no way renders his pieces "robotic".
Thile can actually play some Bach pieces beautifully. He might be no Bach but he's a genius on mandolin. Enjoy both for what they are.
You don't know what youre talking about. This man is God's gift to musical composition. And if you can't see that then I am truly sorry for you. Because you are missing out. Why play if you dont enjoy? And post a video of you playing the mandolin Irshkboy. And it better be better than this, which is seriously doubt is possible if your anything less than a Rickey Skaggs. or maybe your just the trained monkey. Trained to leave stupid comments with bad grammar and sub par use of capitalization.
Jesus... I cant stand people like you who turn music into a science. You take all the fun out of it trying to put it measurable terms. Its an art. Bach was fucking awesome. Chris Thile is fucking awesome. Sorry for the rant, but grow up.
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If he ccould write something like this Yehudi Menuhin plays: Bach Solo Sonata No. 3, Allegro assai. I eat every damm rant ive spit out. Just listen to teh difference and youll know what a genius really is
Dude... chill the fuck out. Chris has something Bach never did-soul. Sure, Chris might seem a little atonal at some times, but Bach's stuff was written from a scientific method of viewing music. I like to think Chris's early stuff was more goofing and improv, and that's why he is more impressive to me than Bach. Also, how much of Bach's live stuff have you heard where he's playing it himself? NONE. So shut up and learn to appreciate a good musician. Asshole. And for the record, BWV 1006 is best.
I agree with the soul part. No doubt Bach was incredible, but he was a robotic machine in the way he composed. 100% rigid following the rules he helped create for tonality all that time ago. Props for making the rules...so we could break them later on :D
always remember, every time someone does a parallel fifth...Bach kills a kitten :D
Actually, Bach didn't 100% follow the rules he made. As a matter of fact, he often broke the rules for the sake of his music. He's considered one of the all-time great composers, if not the greatest, for a reason. He was also renowned for his improv skills. But the thing about the kittens is completely true...
In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more voices that are independent in contour and rhythm, and interdependent in harmony. It has been most commonly identified in Western music, developing strongly in the Renaissance, and also dominant in much of the common practice period, especially in Baroque music. The term comes from the Latin punctus contra punctum ("point against point"). No one does that these days, It takes a special kind of mind to do it well
I have a term for you. Suckum Rectum. The English is "Kiss my ass, you fucking nerd." Bach is the most stupendous miracle in music. Thile is a master of his instrument, and a genius in his interpretations. You should relax and enjoy music instead of analyzing it to death. Music is not a science in the literal sense. It is a matter of opinion, and yours sucks.
Its important to keep ranting on this topic, and let me tell you why!! I was over at my friends house, hes a professional mandolinist, a very good player. He told me that Thile was as great as BACH. At first i started laughing, then it quickly turned to horror when i realized he was serious. That is how far outa touch you guys are. He is nothing to Bach, but you guys think hes another Musical genius. They DONT EVEN PLAY counterpoint these days. Think about it!! Counterpoint vs Thile? Lawl
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Theres a huge difference between a genius and a master. Thile falls under the master category. But you hicks can think what you want, no one else in the musical world would consider him a genius. Btw WOW cross picking on a mandolin...........
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AND BTW, these hicks aren't even the best on there instruments, LOOK Up YAmashita Pictures at an Exhibition, if you want to see a real master, not some trained monkey
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He is not a genius. GIVE ME A BREAK, you guys wouldnt know a genius if he ran his car over you. FIRST MAnDOLIN is a joke instrument, its sooo easy to play. Secondly Look up Glen Gould if you want a real genius, or Keith Jarret, or John Coltrane, or Frank Zappa. These are real Genius, not trained monkeys on toy instruments
First you post youself playing the exact same thing as above. Second when you fail go tell Chris Thile that you are sorry for mocking him. And Third ukulele is the joke insturment you are thinking of that is easy to play Fourth, i agree that glen john keith and frank are good
Irshkboy, this track isn't pure bluegrass, but Thile had mastered the style before he was a teenager. His first album won International Bluegrass Music Association best album and he was national mandolin champion at the age of 12. Mark O'Connor (who's acknoelwegded in classical and bluegrass circles as a genius, having ocmpsed 6 concertos and 1 acclaimed symphony) rates Thile as the best mandolin player he's heard.
I have to assume that the people who are debating the musical genius of Thile haven't heard The Blind Leaving the Blind yet, which thile wrote and arranged for the five traditional bluegrass instruments. He is a composer.
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Ok ILL FINALLY Admit it Chris Thile is a master!!!Maybe even Grandmaster of the Mandolin. However he is not a genius. Hes one level below!!This is a genius ( Glenn Gould, Goldberg Variations, 1981 ) Type that into the search engine, and play it, and you will see what genius really is. Master does not+ genius!!!!
How can you compare two different mediums? Piano is arranged COMPLETELY differently than any handheld stringed instrument. Not to mention he isn't a composer, nor does he sell himself as such. He probably only writes music for his mando and maybe some accompanying instruments. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Irshkboy, Chris Thile is a brilliant mandoline player. This performance is outstanding and the composition is all his own. Why do you compare him to Glenn Gould? Yes, he was an amazing pianist, but a secretary dictating the genius of someone else (secretary does not = genius). Thile is putting his own thoughts into perfect action.
i couldnt agree more... myself being a classical pianist studying music in college right now... yes glenn gould was a good pianist, but i have to say that nothing i have studied in classical music has compared to trying to write music on the fly, and in chris's case, absolutely beautiful music, and incredibly difficult too. As the others say, who are we to judge what a genius is...but i truly do believe Chris is a genius.
I picture "Punch" as more of an outpouring of bottled up emotion through composition, but I agree that some parts are a little too out there for my taste.
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Lol Thile is an insect compared to True genius, such as bach, mozart, or even Master musicans like glen gould. Seriously you guys really need to check out what was done like 200 years ago, becuase it is 100 0000 00000x better then this crap, oh and yes, Ralph stanely is superiour in bluegarss to this jew and clown!!!
You're wrong on so many levels. He's a genius, and while you are naming some immortals there, I consider him at least as brilliant as any of them. LISTEN TO DECEIVERS. It's friggin amazing, and is the best combination of intensity, daring, and genius I have heard from anyone in a long time.
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THEY wont even let me post messages anymore, so much for freedom of speech. I hope your happy!!!!!!THE SOUTH WILL NEVER BE SILENCED RALPH STANLEY IS BLUEGRASS THIS IS JUST SHIET
Oh my gosh, Irshkboy! Chill! I'm a hardcore classical player, and think it's much harder to play than bluegrass, but it's all music, so it doesn't matter! I respect Thile for being able to play both exceptionally well. Look at Joshua Bell the violinist, he got together with bluegrassers (Mike Marshall/Edgar Meyer) and played bluegrass! So just chill out, it's all music, and God made every bit of it!
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One LAst thing, before I blow a gasket. Im from the south, where real bluegrass gets played, THIS ISNT EVEN FUCKING BLUEGRASS. Ralph stanley is blue grass, THIS IS HIGH SPEED NOODLING ON A TOY INSTRUMENT...
Irshkboy one negative comment is enough. I recommend that you get a life and have fun rather than sit on a computer and stress out over youtube videos.
look up chris thile's background...listen to him music, and tell me that he will not shred the poop out of every single "bluegrass" mando player out there...please do
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Ive tried everything on you guys, NOne of you can figure out that im trying to show you a real genius, and all i get is bullshit in return, SO..... I personally challenge any one of you to a fist fight. Ill have to beat some sense into you cause nothing else will work on skulls as thick as yours. Thile a genuis.. BAH i think NOT
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Glenn Gould - Bach - BWV 828 - 1 - Ouverture if you idiots could actually get through this then you would understand what im talking about, THis is real genius
Funny that you seem to be obsessed with harmonic structures to a degree that Bach himself was never concerned with when writing for solo instruments. Case in point: his violin partitas and sonatas. You may know about maladroit shut-ins like Glenn Gould (btw, his 1955 Goldbergs are much better) but you certainly don't know squat about Bach!
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Its like talking to brick walls with you grasser idiots. LISTEN TO THIS.. Glenn Gould, Goldberg Variations, 1981, the reason i keep hammering at you is simply becuase you need to try and understand that the idea of harmonic structures. SIMPLE CHORDS THAT CREATE heavenly harmonic structures, SOmething far beyond anything bluegrass can ever hope to create. Expecially your posser THILE
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Bela Fleck is the only Bluegrasser i would consider to have genius. Maybe Mark O Connor 2. Being amazing at an instrument doesnt make a genius. Look UP Glen gould, and you will see what a genius composer and a genuis player, a Phenomena can do, Its in a different class then this crap that you idiots idolize
listen to blind leaving the blind and eat suite he composed off the punch brothers album and your heart out because that is the definition of genius. and your fooling yourself if you think traditional bluegrass music is simply formulaic or uncomplex. don't be deceived by what seems to sound simple. bird played everything inside too but no one doubts his genius. there are worlds and universes in bluegrass just as out there as anything the flecktones do.
you guy r only mad because you guys cant even play anything on the mandolin, and you will never be this good. knowing you guys r still in the "twinkle twinkle litle star" phase, i woldnt be talking.
as for you guys who r think he is a genius. i admire you for sayng that.
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This genius, you guys wouldnt know genius if it slapped you across teh top of your head. Listen to my video response, and make sure you get to 2 minutes, hehe, and find out what real genius is.
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THILE A GENIUS ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING CRAZY, hes no bach or mozart, hes a wanna be hill billy from California, hes only an actor pretending to be whats hes clearly not. Hes no Ralph Stanley. Every single one of you who idolizes this jew makes me sick to my stomach.
Huh, thats a bit rough. Kinda like how Gillian Welch shouldn't sing Americana just because she was born in NY City. Or how Bob Dylan's parents are Jewish so he cant sing folk music.
Chris Thile holds his own against Mandolin players twice his age. It would be fair to call him a prodigy.
Check out the videos of him as a child. You'll see that he is a prodigy at least. He's definitely a genius by technical definition, considering all a genius is, is the top 2%. Unless you want to redefine a word to make your argument valid.
ya know whats the best thing about chris, he respects other musicians for their true talent and would never compare himself to be better than anyone, but knowing him rather well...this guy is genius, he starting composing more complex things than most normal minds can handle at age 17 or younger, this is genius, (btw, he's not jewish, he's german...
Same here. He's a large part of the reason I consider myself a mediocre mandolin player despite the insistances of my friends. they're biased anyway... but at the same time, he gives me a high standard to aim for, which is a good thing.
Yes, he's walking that thin tightrope, falling one way to genius, the other to insanity. They say its a fine line...actually in Chris' case thats unfair. He seems like a pretty cool together sorta guy. BUt still a genius.
Hmm...He is better at writing meaningful melodic music. Better at communicating emotion through music. Better at being Modest. The best Acoustic Instrumentalist in world hands down by virtue of his songwriting & execution. Thile is good but to me still caught up in the world of showboating. When it comes to musical maturity TE leaves him in the dust. Tommy's music is loved by musicians & non-musicians alike. He is a living legend. Seriously the best acoustic guitarist in the world.
Random connection...I'm not comparing Chris Thile to Goodyear tires or Breyer's Ice cream. They are both acoustic instrumentalist songwriters. They both do solo shows. Get the point? And by the way, everything is subjective...
How about the fact that they play two completely different instruments, play completely different styles of music, and are about two generations apart. Random!
You are officially an idiot. There are no generations in music. We all love Zeppelin 40 or 15 years old. They are both songwriters, just like Kenny G & Elton John. The fact that they are songwriters is the SIMILARITY. That's how you can compare them, by their SONGWRITING. The instruments make no difference nor the styles. It's all about quality.
Way to turn a silly set of posts into a personal attack. As you said music is subjective so why bother posting about Emmanuel at all under a Chris Thile video? Can your dad beat up my dad as well?
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You would probably argue any "Random" point for as long as it continued to create conflict, which you so obviously desire. Let's not forget who incited this little post-off. Enjoy your Sat. nite.
Modesty? Maturity?Blegh Showboating is not a sign of maturity or immaturity. Go back to the swing era with Lester Young and the like playing their horns in crazy poses. Its called entertainment. Its called music. Plus Chris and Tommy are innovators in different styles. Bluegrass music is made up of all these wonderful melodies. Tommys style is all about wonderful textures. Both have equaly great rhythmic sense. It's sad to see that such great musicians like Tommy can still be plagued by fanboys.
I saw Tommy Emmanuel within a week of watching Thile's regular guitar partner, Bryan Sutton (playing alongside Bela Fleck and Casey Driessen). Sutton was in no way inferior to Emmanuel; in fact, I'd say his playing was more musically mature and involved less showboating. Anwyay, it's not a competiiton - Thile is probably respected more by fellow musicans than any other mandolist and is just as comfortable playing classical and jazz as bluegrass. He's also a much more versatile compser than Tom.
I love this one, but I think I have to go with Big Sam Thompson, that part in the middle were it slows way down and gets really quite then speeds up and goes crazy.... ah I love it!!!
Absolutely fantastic. He is simply one of the best there is. Whatever style of music he chooses to play, I am certain he will always be one of the best.
Okay. How 'bout this for a new genre "Chris Thile". This guy is f'n amazing!!! Guys like Chris come along ...oh... once every century or so...if we're lucky. Shut up and enjoy!
I've heard two things: First, this song is straight up blue grass, o quesin bout it. Chris Thile as a whole though, A little more difficult. Ive heard him refer to himself as "Newgrass" Anyone else hear this?
I dont understand you guys who are arguing about what genre this is. It's all music, unless oh wait, now music is just a subgenre of noise, so we cant call this music.
Genres are supposed to make it easier to talk to people about music, not make people fight about it. Chris probably just plays music, he doesn't care what genre or category of music he plays...
The early Kid Albums are "Leading Off" and "Stealing Second" and they are not "kid albums". They are sophisticated, expertly played and very much worth a listen or 50.
The mandolin is sort of a fusion of guitar and violin -- the strings are tuned GDAE and the length is similar to that of a violin, but obviously it's fretted and plucked like a guitar -- and he has pulled together the strengths of both into his playing. I'm not even a big fan of bluegrass and I look forward to hearing more from him!
I am very much aware that some people call New Grass Progressive Bluegrass. However I call Progressive Bluegrass in the vein of New Grass Revival and Seldom Scene where New-Grass or New Acoustic to be those that go way off the beaten path, such as Thile.
Bluegrass is a specific type of music invented by Bill Monroe and his band. Fiddle/banjo music (with occasional mandolin) has been around several times as long as bluegrass. Nickel Creek doesn't have a banjo anyway. And they have as much influence from celtic, jazz, and pop as from genuine bluegrass.
Klezmer, old time, celtic are all older than bluegrass and all use fiddles, banjos, and mandolins.
bluegrass doesn't neccessarily have to have a banjo. most bluegrass is a lot about being loose and jamming, improvising and having a good time so everyone doesn't have to get all annoying about genres...really
That's what pisses me off, the bluegrass purists. "Boy, that aint bluegrass!" Who cares. Chris Thile just makes really good music and thats all I care about. The only reason I would slap a genre on it is to sort through my ipod
Revelations.. I agree about his virtuosity and pushing himself into more obscure territory. I just watched a live solo for the tune "the Fox" and he's "outside" on the whole solo. It sounds so tense it's just wacked. I'm sure he's stretching his mental ligaments and he's getting off on it. He is so incredibly articulate that he starts to lose me on some of that stuff though.
Absolutely. If you've ever watched his stuff with Edgar Meyer, Brian Sutton, or Mike Marshall (Meyer especially) they really can lose the average listener pretty quickly.
When they push the envelope by doing 'out of the box' solos, the key changes and what not can really just go crazy.
One of the greatest musical minds of all time, no doubt. And he's still a kid. I imagine that his music will be come much more virtuosic, but obscure as the years go by.
dude you are so sick!!! amazing
daredevillboy1982 1 month ago
i think he,s da best in da world,,,,a superpower for all humanity.
8VampireLover8 2 months ago
This fella's playing Eric's in Liverpool on Saturday 17th September 2011.
goalmachinegoater 4 months ago
One day, I thought, "Someday I want to play mandolin as well as Chris Thile."
... Then I laughed and came back to reality.
Seriously, this guy is too awesome for words.
AtowncalledCynicism 5 months ago
There is every style of music in this one piece. A true musician and composer in every sense of the word.
cranie4 6 months ago 2
All the arguments over who is "better" is irrelevant. The best musicians know... It's not how many notes you can play, it's how you play them that counts! In Chris's case, he can do both!
sonicfrogdotnet 8 months ago
you can say he is "the best" mandolin player ever... but theres always one better discovered or not. He is a fantastic mandolin player and i am incredibly jealous of his talent, but also Sam Bush's.
dcunited234 9 months ago
not quite as good as bill monroe at mandolin, but who fucking cares? chris thile inspired me to learn bluegrass music
MrGoRaVeNs 10 months ago
@MrGoRaVeNs disagree
Stickykeys2010 8 months ago
Chris Thile is Genius in his own right. He's pushed new painted pictures with his music. He can't be compared to the other Masters of music in the past, present or future. He is his own. Perfect.
SingerAR 1 year ago
The improvisation part , for me, might have lasted a little longer but furthermore brilliant performance.... This guy has really has got duende!!!
geraldillo 1 year ago
I have mandolin envy
gtrdude777 1 year ago 3
I would love to hear his soo work like this, taken and worked around a symphony orchestra, I think at some point he really needs to do that. I think he is pound for pound probably the best musician around today, and agree no point in comparing him to Bach, Mozart etc... each person hears something different, and if Thile is the best thing you have ever heard, then that's all that is important. I truly think he is brilliant because the music comes out from his very soul.
cormackjames 1 year ago
@cormackjames: Thile has actually written a mandolin concerto and performed it with an orchestra- can't rember which one off the top of my head. Unfortunately i can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere :(
Tomkim11 1 year ago
@Tomkim11 its called Ad Astra Per Alas Porci (To the Stars on the Wings of a Pig) I believe someone just posted a video of it on youtube.
SwimmingFishy 3 months ago
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@cormackjames: Thile has actually written a mandolin concerto and performed it with an orchestra- can't remember which one off the top of my head. Unfortunately i can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere :(
Tomkim11 1 year ago
It's just amazing how beautiful this guy plays this tiny instrument.
I guess size doesn't matter...
Asafrog 1 year ago
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bjhh8d1987 1 year ago
:-D I was sat about 2 feet in front of those divine hands. I've never seen anything to compare with that gig. Incredible
thepiecesmusic 1 year ago
The World's Greatest Mandolin Player shows why he truly is. What a pleasure to hear someone who is the best at his profession!
barak9876 2 years ago 6
Wow, you can't even compare any current musician with Bach, Bethoveen, Mozard, etc. These musicians lived in different times where conceptions of what was good, amazing, beautiful, what had "soul", were totally different than now.
To be honest all musicians that have the ability to transfer what they think into their instruments are genious, no need to compare, bring down or insult one or the other.
PatRobls 2 years ago 32
@PatRobls Very well put. It's like comparing Salvador Dali to Van Gogh. Just appreciate.
jamorse1221 2 months ago
@PatRobls I've never heard of Bethoveen or Mozard. Did you mean Sallytoveen?
TheMeEvan 2 months ago
@PatRobls Yes but,
Skrillex.
(instant thumbs up)
SFtheWolf 4 days ago
This song is called "Song for a Young Queen"
act1sciii 2 years ago 3
@act1sciii Tank you.
habojspade 1 year ago
Wow. Wish I could plait MY fingers.
dhuinn 2 years ago 2
Just saw him at Interlochen Arts Academy in Mi with the World Youth Orchestra...amazing. He made everyone in the audience pay attention and think. Very innovative. A blend of traditional and modern...hard to pull off. How do his fingers move that fast...?
jhwastell 2 years ago 7
This guy has got so much talent, it hurts to watch.
36pipers 2 years ago 4
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There are more ideas in this one piece then all of Thiles Music put togther Search
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J. S. Bach - Partita n. 4 in D Major BWV 828 - 1. Ouverture (1/7)
Irshkboy 2 years ago
@Irshkboy uhh... Chris Thile is quite an incredible musician, quite arguably one of the best on earth. Bach is the God of western music. don't go dissing Bach.
jufjansties 1 year ago
He is truely amazing at the mandolin. No one can argue with that.
Canaan2011 2 years ago 20
Why does anyone feel the need to put Bach or Thile down in order to justfiy their admiration for the other? Can anoyne really consider Bach's music souless?!?! By the way, Bach was considered a master of it improvisation in his day. He used mathematical rules but that in no way renders his pieces "robotic".
Thile can actually play some Bach pieces beautifully. He might be no Bach but he's a genius on mandolin. Enjoy both for what they are.
BrainFPatterson 2 years ago 5
I wonder what its like to be "the best" in the world at something?
Medium0Rare 2 years ago 5
its a really good feeling
nagyac0 2 years ago
Lets focus on how talented the man playing this instrument is.
Instead of trying to compare and contrast him to some one else.
Bach is a master. So is Thile.
I love him. His stage presents and how much love he puts into his songs is cool.
I think he's pretty talented.
:) lets all just get along haha
Taylor4307 2 years ago
You don't know what youre talking about. This man is God's gift to musical composition. And if you can't see that then I am truly sorry for you. Because you are missing out. Why play if you dont enjoy? And post a video of you playing the mandolin Irshkboy. And it better be better than this, which is seriously doubt is possible if your anything less than a Rickey Skaggs. or maybe your just the trained monkey. Trained to leave stupid comments with bad grammar and sub par use of capitalization.
PapayaAndBluesLizard 2 years ago 2
Jesus... I cant stand people like you who turn music into a science. You take all the fun out of it trying to put it measurable terms. Its an art. Bach was fucking awesome. Chris Thile is fucking awesome. Sorry for the rant, but grow up.
thefardowns 2 years ago 4
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If he ccould write something like this Yehudi Menuhin plays: Bach Solo Sonata No. 3, Allegro assai. I eat every damm rant ive spit out. Just listen to teh difference and youll know what a genius really is
Irshkboy 2 years ago
Dude... chill the fuck out. Chris has something Bach never did-soul. Sure, Chris might seem a little atonal at some times, but Bach's stuff was written from a scientific method of viewing music. I like to think Chris's early stuff was more goofing and improv, and that's why he is more impressive to me than Bach. Also, how much of Bach's live stuff have you heard where he's playing it himself? NONE. So shut up and learn to appreciate a good musician. Asshole. And for the record, BWV 1006 is best.
thefardowns 2 years ago
I agree with the soul part. No doubt Bach was incredible, but he was a robotic machine in the way he composed. 100% rigid following the rules he helped create for tonality all that time ago. Props for making the rules...so we could break them later on :D
always remember, every time someone does a parallel fifth...Bach kills a kitten :D
-Sarge
sarge12486 2 years ago
Actually, Bach didn't 100% follow the rules he made. As a matter of fact, he often broke the rules for the sake of his music. He's considered one of the all-time great composers, if not the greatest, for a reason. He was also renowned for his improv skills. But the thing about the kittens is completely true...
lakeylove 2 years ago 4
wait, there are actually people on here criticizing B-A-C-H? we are further gone than i had realized.
appletreemusic1 2 years ago 7
In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more voices that are independent in contour and rhythm, and interdependent in harmony. It has been most commonly identified in Western music, developing strongly in the Renaissance, and also dominant in much of the common practice period, especially in Baroque music. The term comes from the Latin punctus contra punctum ("point against point"). No one does that these days, It takes a special kind of mind to do it well
Irshkboy 2 years ago
I have a term for you. Suckum Rectum. The English is "Kiss my ass, you fucking nerd." Bach is the most stupendous miracle in music. Thile is a master of his instrument, and a genius in his interpretations. You should relax and enjoy music instead of analyzing it to death. Music is not a science in the literal sense. It is a matter of opinion, and yours sucks.
wtfievh 2 years ago 5
Its important to keep ranting on this topic, and let me tell you why!! I was over at my friends house, hes a professional mandolinist, a very good player. He told me that Thile was as great as BACH. At first i started laughing, then it quickly turned to horror when i realized he was serious. That is how far outa touch you guys are. He is nothing to Bach, but you guys think hes another Musical genius. They DONT EVEN PLAY counterpoint these days. Think about it!! Counterpoint vs Thile? Lawl
Irshkboy 2 years ago
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Theres a huge difference between a genius and a master. Thile falls under the master category. But you hicks can think what you want, no one else in the musical world would consider him a genius. Btw WOW cross picking on a mandolin...........
Irshkboy 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more Dragknuckle
loggyness 2 years ago
This one hundred percent, absolutely, blows my mind.
edwardfconwell 2 years ago
Great tune! Some of Thile's compositions get a little too far outside for my taste, but this was outstanding. He is a force to be reckoned with.
dragknuckle 2 years ago 2
if this isnt genius i dont know what is? who ever said mandolin is joke, your dumb and alot farther away from being a genius then chris thile
Whatrick17 2 years ago 2
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BTW FUCK ALL YOU HICKS
Irshkboy 2 years ago
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AND BTW, these hicks aren't even the best on there instruments, LOOK Up YAmashita Pictures at an Exhibition, if you want to see a real master, not some trained monkey
Irshkboy 2 years ago
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He is not a genius. GIVE ME A BREAK, you guys wouldnt know a genius if he ran his car over you. FIRST MAnDOLIN is a joke instrument, its sooo easy to play. Secondly Look up Glen Gould if you want a real genius, or Keith Jarret, or John Coltrane, or Frank Zappa. These are real Genius, not trained monkeys on toy instruments
Irshkboy 2 years ago
First you post youself playing the exact same thing as above. Second when you fail go tell Chris Thile that you are sorry for mocking him. And Third ukulele is the joke insturment you are thinking of that is easy to play Fourth, i agree that glen john keith and frank are good
bobsmith222 2 years ago
Fifth: these hicks are far better spoken than you are
bobsmith222 2 years ago
I can dig it.
iadmike 3 years ago
Great song off "Not all who wander are lost",such a amazing solo performance!
poptarto420 3 years ago
His head movements are as crazy as his playing!
TheExpertDude 3 years ago 2
seriously. he looks like a chicken bobbing its head sometimes, but i love it! xD
sarahxboxbeara 3 years ago
Irshkboy, this track isn't pure bluegrass, but Thile had mastered the style before he was a teenager. His first album won International Bluegrass Music Association best album and he was national mandolin champion at the age of 12. Mark O'Connor (who's acknoelwegded in classical and bluegrass circles as a genius, having ocmpsed 6 concertos and 1 acclaimed symphony) rates Thile as the best mandolin player he's heard.
BrainFPatterson 3 years ago
I have to assume that the people who are debating the musical genius of Thile haven't heard The Blind Leaving the Blind yet, which thile wrote and arranged for the five traditional bluegrass instruments. He is a composer.
chrisbworth 3 years ago 2
Play the 3d link btw, the 41 second one!!!
Irshkboy 3 years ago
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Ok ILL FINALLY Admit it Chris Thile is a master!!!Maybe even Grandmaster of the Mandolin. However he is not a genius. Hes one level below!!This is a genius ( Glenn Gould, Goldberg Variations, 1981 ) Type that into the search engine, and play it, and you will see what genius really is. Master does not+ genius!!!!
Irshkboy 3 years ago
How can you compare two different mediums? Piano is arranged COMPLETELY differently than any handheld stringed instrument. Not to mention he isn't a composer, nor does he sell himself as such. He probably only writes music for his mando and maybe some accompanying instruments. You're comparing apples and oranges.
RSinton 3 years ago 4
Irshkboy, Chris Thile is a brilliant mandoline player. This performance is outstanding and the composition is all his own. Why do you compare him to Glenn Gould? Yes, he was an amazing pianist, but a secretary dictating the genius of someone else (secretary does not = genius). Thile is putting his own thoughts into perfect action.
gtrs4life 3 years ago
i couldnt agree more... myself being a classical pianist studying music in college right now... yes glenn gould was a good pianist, but i have to say that nothing i have studied in classical music has compared to trying to write music on the fly, and in chris's case, absolutely beautiful music, and incredibly difficult too. As the others say, who are we to judge what a genius is...but i truly do believe Chris is a genius.
pianomatteo 3 years ago 2
Dude, he's a genius. Listen to his solo stuff, his composition skills are incredible.
jufjansties 3 years ago 3
He does have great tone. Not as good as Sam Bush. Why does he seem so pretentious; what was up with that Punch Brothers album?
Blugrazz 3 years ago
I picture "Punch" as more of an outpouring of bottled up emotion through composition, but I agree that some parts are a little too out there for my taste.
Mandorgasm from 1:57 on, btw.
SolidRay 3 years ago
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Lol Thile is an insect compared to True genius, such as bach, mozart, or even Master musicans like glen gould. Seriously you guys really need to check out what was done like 200 years ago, becuase it is 100 0000 00000x better then this crap, oh and yes, Ralph stanely is superiour in bluegarss to this jew and clown!!!
Irshkboy 3 years ago
yeah like bajillion x infinity better. right irish?
thecased550 3 years ago
You're wrong on so many levels. He's a genius, and while you are naming some immortals there, I consider him at least as brilliant as any of them. LISTEN TO DECEIVERS. It's friggin amazing, and is the best combination of intensity, daring, and genius I have heard from anyone in a long time.
jufjansties 3 years ago
Music ain't gittin any better than this. End of evolution. Thile rulez!
resophon 3 years ago
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THEY wont even let me post messages anymore, so much for freedom of speech. I hope your happy!!!!!!THE SOUTH WILL NEVER BE SILENCED RALPH STANLEY IS BLUEGRASS THIS IS JUST SHIET
Irshkboy 3 years ago
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Banned? How dare they silence the south!!!
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Excellent piece by the way! I just love the tone Chris Thile is able to produce! I haven't yet heard a mandolinist who can match it...
n8rz 3 years ago
Oh my gosh, Irshkboy! Chill! I'm a hardcore classical player, and think it's much harder to play than bluegrass, but it's all music, so it doesn't matter! I respect Thile for being able to play both exceptionally well. Look at Joshua Bell the violinist, he got together with bluegrassers (Mike Marshall/Edgar Meyer) and played bluegrass! So just chill out, it's all music, and God made every bit of it!
n8rz 3 years ago 2
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One LAst thing, before I blow a gasket. Im from the south, where real bluegrass gets played, THIS ISNT EVEN FUCKING BLUEGRASS. Ralph stanley is blue grass, THIS IS HIGH SPEED NOODLING ON A TOY INSTRUMENT...
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Irshkboy one negative comment is enough. I recommend that you get a life and have fun rather than sit on a computer and stress out over youtube videos.
angryscotchtape 3 years ago 6
look up chris thile's background...listen to him music, and tell me that he will not shred the poop out of every single "bluegrass" mando player out there...please do
shredstein 3 years ago
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The mandolin is a toy instrument anyways. Its very one dimesional. Piano is where true masters end up
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Why in the hell did you watch the video anyway retard!?
gretchenman 3 years ago 2
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Ive tried everything on you guys, NOne of you can figure out that im trying to show you a real genius, and all i get is bullshit in return, SO..... I personally challenge any one of you to a fist fight. Ill have to beat some sense into you cause nothing else will work on skulls as thick as yours. Thile a genuis.. BAH i think NOT
Irshkboy 3 years ago
actually he is a legit genius. wikipedia lists him with the chopin and mozart with it's child geniuses list.
3xDecker 3 years ago
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Glenn Gould - Bach - BWV 828 - 1 - Ouverture if you idiots could actually get through this then you would understand what im talking about, THis is real genius
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Funny that you seem to be obsessed with harmonic structures to a degree that Bach himself was never concerned with when writing for solo instruments. Case in point: his violin partitas and sonatas. You may know about maladroit shut-ins like Glenn Gould (btw, his 1955 Goldbergs are much better) but you certainly don't know squat about Bach!
cdyexhibit 3 years ago
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Its like talking to brick walls with you grasser idiots. LISTEN TO THIS.. Glenn Gould, Goldberg Variations, 1981, the reason i keep hammering at you is simply becuase you need to try and understand that the idea of harmonic structures. SIMPLE CHORDS THAT CREATE heavenly harmonic structures, SOmething far beyond anything bluegrass can ever hope to create. Expecially your posser THILE
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Right. Bluegrassers know nothing of harmonic structures. *roll eyes*. Thile has also done more for the mandolin than you've done for anything.
Karunes 3 years ago
The Strokes Rockss!! period
arepaehuevo 3 years ago
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Bela Fleck is the only Bluegrasser i would consider to have genius. Maybe Mark O Connor 2. Being amazing at an instrument doesnt make a genius. Look UP Glen gould, and you will see what a genius composer and a genuis player, a Phenomena can do, Its in a different class then this crap that you idiots idolize
Irshkboy 3 years ago
listen to blind leaving the blind and eat suite he composed off the punch brothers album and your heart out because that is the definition of genius. and your fooling yourself if you think traditional bluegrass music is simply formulaic or uncomplex. don't be deceived by what seems to sound simple. bird played everything inside too but no one doubts his genius. there are worlds and universes in bluegrass just as out there as anything the flecktones do.
ericwolff6 3 years ago
you guy r only mad because you guys cant even play anything on the mandolin, and you will never be this good. knowing you guys r still in the "twinkle twinkle litle star" phase, i woldnt be talking.
as for you guys who r think he is a genius. i admire you for sayng that.
i hope that you make it far in life
=]
wyattowenmandolin 3 years ago 2
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Glenn Gould - Bach - BWV 828 - 1 - Ouverture This is genuis, not this junk
Irshkboy 3 years ago
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This genius, you guys wouldnt know genius if it slapped you across teh top of your head. Listen to my video response, and make sure you get to 2 minutes, hehe, and find out what real genius is.
Irshkboy 3 years ago
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THILE A GENIUS ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING CRAZY, hes no bach or mozart, hes a wanna be hill billy from California, hes only an actor pretending to be whats hes clearly not. Hes no Ralph Stanley. Every single one of you who idolizes this jew makes me sick to my stomach.
Irshkboy 3 years ago
Huh, thats a bit rough. Kinda like how Gillian Welch shouldn't sing Americana just because she was born in NY City. Or how Bob Dylan's parents are Jewish so he cant sing folk music.
Chris Thile holds his own against Mandolin players twice his age. It would be fair to call him a prodigy.
zephyrus383 3 years ago
Check out the videos of him as a child. You'll see that he is a prodigy at least. He's definitely a genius by technical definition, considering all a genius is, is the top 2%. Unless you want to redefine a word to make your argument valid.
CrackSmokin101 3 years ago
ya know whats the best thing about chris, he respects other musicians for their true talent and would never compare himself to be better than anyone, but knowing him rather well...this guy is genius, he starting composing more complex things than most normal minds can handle at age 17 or younger, this is genius, (btw, he's not jewish, he's german...
thilekid 3 years ago
OMG i want to play like that so bad!!!!
mandolinsarethebest 3 years ago
Chris is amazing. When I hear him play I know the reason I'm learning mando, it's so beautiful!
lifesashes 3 years ago 2
that was directed to dickdailythe3rd :~)
chiso867 3 years ago
At least we can see for ourselves what a mandolin is capable of in the right hands.
dallassvolk 3 years ago
Whenever I think I sound good, I listen to Chris play....and wonder why I ever picked up an instrument
Froike 3 years ago
Same here. He's a large part of the reason I consider myself a mediocre mandolin player despite the insistances of my friends. they're biased anyway... but at the same time, he gives me a high standard to aim for, which is a good thing.
crazyasfite 3 years ago 2
Ahh! I know. =(
I especially envy his lyrics.
sarahxboxbeara 3 years ago 2
the only thing i can compare chris thile live to is a cross between a tightrope walker and a salmon swimming upstream
DickDallyThe3rd 3 years ago 2
how dare you compare mando god to such pathetic life forms?
lol, jk.
that's the most funniest comparison and pretty accurate,
in a good way. ^_^
chiso867 3 years ago
Yes, he's walking that thin tightrope, falling one way to genius, the other to insanity. They say its a fine line...actually in Chris' case thats unfair. He seems like a pretty cool together sorta guy. BUt still a genius.
yaisum 3 years ago
Hmm...He is better at writing meaningful melodic music. Better at communicating emotion through music. Better at being Modest. The best Acoustic Instrumentalist in world hands down by virtue of his songwriting & execution. Thile is good but to me still caught up in the world of showboating. When it comes to musical maturity TE leaves him in the dust. Tommy's music is loved by musicians & non-musicians alike. He is a living legend. Seriously the best acoustic guitarist in the world.
zeke0721 3 years ago
All subjective thoughts, why are you comparing him to Thile anyway. What a random connection.
sealcove70 3 years ago
Random connection...I'm not comparing Chris Thile to Goodyear tires or Breyer's Ice cream. They are both acoustic instrumentalist songwriters. They both do solo shows. Get the point? And by the way, everything is subjective...
zeke0721 3 years ago
How about the fact that they play two completely different instruments, play completely different styles of music, and are about two generations apart. Random!
sealcove70 3 years ago
You are officially an idiot. There are no generations in music. We all love Zeppelin 40 or 15 years old. They are both songwriters, just like Kenny G & Elton John. The fact that they are songwriters is the SIMILARITY. That's how you can compare them, by their SONGWRITING. The instruments make no difference nor the styles. It's all about quality.
zeke0721 3 years ago
Way to turn a silly set of posts into a personal attack. As you said music is subjective so why bother posting about Emmanuel at all under a Chris Thile video? Can your dad beat up my dad as well?
sealcove70 3 years ago 2
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You would probably argue any "Random" point for as long as it continued to create conflict, which you so obviously desire. Let's not forget who incited this little post-off. Enjoy your Sat. nite.
zeke0721 3 years ago
Modesty? Maturity?Blegh Showboating is not a sign of maturity or immaturity. Go back to the swing era with Lester Young and the like playing their horns in crazy poses. Its called entertainment. Its called music. Plus Chris and Tommy are innovators in different styles. Bluegrass music is made up of all these wonderful melodies. Tommys style is all about wonderful textures. Both have equaly great rhythmic sense. It's sad to see that such great musicians like Tommy can still be plagued by fanboys.
soursourapples 3 years ago 2
Yes, quite a sour world we live in...
zeke0721 3 years ago 2
I think we should start arguing over who is better, Vai or Satriani. That one seems to appear everywhere, and NEVER wants to die.
GO Chris! You rock!
yaisum 3 years ago
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Tommy Emmanuel is much better...check him out. You will not disagree. I promise
zeke0721 3 years ago
Better at doing what exactly
soursourapples 3 years ago
I saw Tommy Emmanuel within a week of watching Thile's regular guitar partner, Bryan Sutton (playing alongside Bela Fleck and Casey Driessen). Sutton was in no way inferior to Emmanuel; in fact, I'd say his playing was more musically mature and involved less showboating. Anwyay, it's not a competiiton - Thile is probably respected more by fellow musicans than any other mandolist and is just as comfortable playing classical and jazz as bluegrass. He's also a much more versatile compser than Tom.
BrainFPatterson 3 years ago
Chris never ceases to amaze me. Seriously, the best musician I have ever seen live.
amykat165 3 years ago 2
:D amazing
1991Martin 3 years ago
he's such a genius!
AimeeLaJoy 4 years ago 3
This is definitely one of my favorite tracks from "Not All Who Wander Are Lost". Such a sweet CD.
ComposerTP 4 years ago
yea, that cd is great and I think this is my favorite track on there
johnielsen08 3 years ago
I love this one, but I think I have to go with Big Sam Thompson, that part in the middle were it slows way down and gets really quite then speeds up and goes crazy.... ah I love it!!!
bigyelsewnnoc 3 years ago
the song I recommend is called Maré de Agosto
pongchamp5 4 years ago
I know he is amazing...if you enjoy a good mando, check out Julio Pereira, he is on youtube and also pretty awesome
pongchamp5 4 years ago
You know the comment, Theres always someone better than you....It,s not true.
vanaxonax 4 years ago
Must be tough being him...
MostlyKings 4 years ago
so good
aiasuknjci 4 years ago
I don't mean to sound rude, but Moonturkey, you make yourself sound a bit ignorant. Just have respect for the guys talent.
Wolfen3592 4 years ago 2
i dont mean to im just wonderin. sorry
moonturkey 4 years ago
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what talent?
1kyredneck1 4 years ago
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my freind is obsessed with this guy but i dont see what the fuss is about is it hard to play mando?
moonturkey 4 years ago
You should try, the guy is a virtuoso!
nmfarlow 4 years ago
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chris thile sux.period. you've got it together moonturkey!!!
1kyredneck1 4 years ago
Absolutely fantastic. He is simply one of the best there is. Whatever style of music he chooses to play, I am certain he will always be one of the best.
rainforecaster 4 years ago 3
Such a beautiful instrument..the mandolin. What a blessing to my ears
Cymph 4 years ago 2
Okay. How 'bout this for a new genre "Chris Thile". This guy is f'n amazing!!! Guys like Chris come along ...oh... once every century or so...if we're lucky. Shut up and enjoy!
EJsigstrat 4 years ago
I've heard two things: First, this song is straight up blue grass, o quesin bout it. Chris Thile as a whole though, A little more difficult. Ive heard him refer to himself as "Newgrass" Anyone else hear this?
bigyelsewnnoc 4 years ago
I thought it was music? Am I wrong?
bojalwasix 4 years ago
I dont understand you guys who are arguing about what genre this is. It's all music, unless oh wait, now music is just a subgenre of noise, so we cant call this music.
Genres are supposed to make it easier to talk to people about music, not make people fight about it. Chris probably just plays music, he doesn't care what genre or category of music he plays...
ColdIronCuffs 4 years ago 2
Thank you, that's exactly how i look at it!
nmfarlow 4 years ago
Ok, Chris Thile started with bluegrass, he "doesn't play it now." He's still the best out there. He owns everyone.
ChrisBrewster 4 years ago
The early Kid Albums are "Leading Off" and "Stealing Second" and they are not "kid albums". They are sophisticated, expertly played and very much worth a listen or 50.
kmiller1610 4 years ago
The mandolin is sort of a fusion of guitar and violin -- the strings are tuned GDAE and the length is similar to that of a violin, but obviously it's fretted and plucked like a guitar -- and he has pulled together the strengths of both into his playing. I'm not even a big fan of bluegrass and I look forward to hearing more from him!
pyrox23 4 years ago
Chris Thile doesn't play bluegrass
bnjrpkr 4 years ago
What? Nickel Creek was originally a bluegrass band when they were children.
JeremiahClayton 4 years ago
Nickel Creek has never played straight Bluegrass, they've always been of the "New Grass" or "New Acoustic" varieties.
bnjrpkr 4 years ago
You do realize another name for "New Grass" is "Progressive Bluegrass" and is a subgenre of Bluegrass.. right?
JeremiahClayton 4 years ago
I am very much aware that some people call New Grass Progressive Bluegrass. However I call Progressive Bluegrass in the vein of New Grass Revival and Seldom Scene where New-Grass or New Acoustic to be those that go way off the beaten path, such as Thile.
bnjrpkr 4 years ago
You can call it whatever you want.. it's still filed under Bluegrass.
JeremiahClayton 4 years ago
word. fiddle, banjo, mandolin, no percussion = bluegrass.
KoreaSUN 4 years ago
Bluegrass is a specific type of music invented by Bill Monroe and his band. Fiddle/banjo music (with occasional mandolin) has been around several times as long as bluegrass. Nickel Creek doesn't have a banjo anyway. And they have as much influence from celtic, jazz, and pop as from genuine bluegrass.
Klezmer, old time, celtic are all older than bluegrass and all use fiddles, banjos, and mandolins.
AlexCFields 4 years ago
bluegrass doesn't neccessarily have to have a banjo. most bluegrass is a lot about being loose and jamming, improvising and having a good time so everyone doesn't have to get all annoying about genres...really
x3leancuisine 4 years ago 4
i hate genre disputes. no one worth listening to woke up one morning and thought, "i think i will pigeon hole my self into a genre."
if they did, then they are probably the likes of what is on mtv.
sheatheman 4 years ago
ya he does retard...his roots are bluegrass. ever since he started playing.
Phrox1013 4 years ago
Ahhh... the things we argue and get pissed over. Good times.
dylanscott01 4 years ago 2
That's what pisses me off, the bluegrass purists. "Boy, that aint bluegrass!" Who cares. Chris Thile just makes really good music and thats all I care about. The only reason I would slap a genre on it is to sort through my ipod
agarfield2004 4 years ago 3
Revelations.. I agree about his virtuosity and pushing himself into more obscure territory. I just watched a live solo for the tune "the Fox" and he's "outside" on the whole solo. It sounds so tense it's just wacked. I'm sure he's stretching his mental ligaments and he's getting off on it. He is so incredibly articulate that he starts to lose me on some of that stuff though.
EJsigstrat 4 years ago
Which video did you watch about that solo?
toxicmegacolon 4 years ago
Absolutely. If you've ever watched his stuff with Edgar Meyer, Brian Sutton, or Mike Marshall (Meyer especially) they really can lose the average listener pretty quickly.
When they push the envelope by doing 'out of the box' solos, the key changes and what not can really just go crazy.
Shalebot 4 years ago
One of the greatest musical minds of all time, no doubt. And he's still a kid. I imagine that his music will be come much more virtuosic, but obscure as the years go by.
Revelations 4 years ago
I wish I could have been there
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DarknessHowls 4 years ago
Chris Thile is a great bluegrass artist...he has crazy mandolin skills and a nice set of pipes to match...
DarknessHowls 4 years ago
Beautiful playing.
Z0751 4 years ago
Dyou think hes also would play with as much energy on like a guitar or somethin? Id like to see chris thile rock the fretless bass.
Jack458111 4 years ago
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that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard
picknickerjoe 4 years ago
Can you give specific reasons why? If not then don't bother posting
oflynny 4 years ago 2
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No.
picknickerjoe 4 years ago