@TheGothicMaria Well, who elses body are they governing when they make the choice to take a life? That baby may be in their body, however; he/she is a completely seperate person from them. they are not just a ball of cells.
@LovedbcHim but they are just a ball of cells. Do you know how many pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion (miscarriage)? It's more than 1 in 4 (my source- working in an antenatal department for 2 years, a New Scientist article). If so many pregnancies abort naturally, does that make God/nature the world's largest provider of abortions?
If it can't survive outside of the uterus, it's not a person.
@LovedbcHim naturally it's rare for a foetus to be completely viable before 38 weeks (completely viable = no major medical intervention needed, no incubator etc). With medical advances, foetuses have been known to survive as early as 22 weeks. In the UK it is legal to terminate a pregnancy up to 24 weeks (only 1.6% of pregnancies were terminated after 20 weeks, 87% before 12 weeks).
@RoozleRay O.k I was curious about your response. My daughter was born at 27 weeks and 5 days. Different people say different things, however; I completely believe unless one has actually been inside a NICU for a certain amount of time we don't really know how viable a baby really is. About them ever being a blob of cells though, they are not. They very much have a spirit and very much are a child. Unless the mom's health is in extreme danger early in preg, abortion should be in God's hand
@TheGothicMaria You know you obviously think everyone who supports life and chooses life is a piece of garbage, and you obviously think that we don't respect women. That's very funny that you say that cause I am a woman; a wife and a mother who has a very high respect for other women. Cursing is certainly not respectful. Judging is not respectful. I'm saying your being judgmental because you don't even know me and you say that I have no respect. You have NO respect honey, but God bless you
@TheGothicMaria It's funny you say that, because we're not anti-choice. If we were we'd be pointing guns to womens heads preventing them from walking into abortion clinics. If only some of you guys could be open to what other people are really like. I think it's funny that many of you call yourselves pro-choice but you decide not to help a single mother who needs support, who chooses to keep her baby..............who are the ones that do that....pro life, so next time look in the mirror.
@LovedbcHim Well there are pro-lifers out there who shoot abortion providers. Like that guy who murdered Dr. George Tiller. There are also pro-lifers who stand outside of clinics and insult the women walking in. And most pro-choicers are also liberals which means that they support assistance for single mothers. I believe you when you say that there are clinics out there like the one you've described, but unfortunately there are also clinics that harass women and deliberately misinform them.
@rtwinters I definitely do not own what that person did to dr. Tiller. That was wrong. But the clinics that you talk about, most of those are planned parenthood. The staff is trained to not tell the truth about what abortion really does. The crisis pregnancy center here will tell the truth, but they won't show the graphic videos, because people really don't need to see those. I mean some people do need to see them, but not the mother's who are already confused and emotional
@LovedbcHim The clinics I'm talking about aren't Planned Parenthood, they're crisis pregnancy centers. PP does not lie to women, as they have nothing to gain from a woman having an abortion. Most of them don't even provide abortion services. CPCs, on the other hand, exist to counsel women against having abortions. I trust that there are crisis pregnancy centers that are respectful of women's needs, please trust that Planned Parenthood does not have that kind of an agenda.
@rtwinters And most of the pro-lifers around here do work hard to respect Planned Parenthood, although we don't agree with what they do. We have a pp here and there are people who stand across the street from the building, the majority of those people are women who have had abortions in the past and regret their abortion, and they will stand across the street and pray for the women who walk in there. The women are not murderers, their just making a choice that they will regret.
@LovedbcHim As long as it's peaceful and respectful, that doesn't really bother me. It's just a difference of opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions. Some women do regret having had an abortion, and I really feel for them; a woman should never be pressured into making such a personal decision. But there are many women who believe that having an abortion was the best decision they've made in their lives and they don't carry any guilt or shame around with them.
@rtwinters Many women do regret their abortions but do not talk about it, some even will tell you they don't regret it. I know there are some women though who came from absolutely horrible childhoods, and whom if they had chosen life for their baby, their baby would be extremely abused like they were, because their family would have also pressured them not to adopt, or tried to take the child out of the adoption agencies if they had put that child up for adoption.
@rtwinters and that girl whom I know did have the abortion, even though she regretted the abortion, she was able to put that abortion behind her and change her life around, completely and as far as I know she did not choose the path that her family chose. She chose Christ. Yes she regretted her abortion, but sometimes decisions like that really do change a person. That's why although we want to discourage abortion, because it is a life, we also have to let that woman make her choice.
@LovedbcHim I'm not religious, have no interest in becoming religious, and am a proud pro-choice feminist. I'd just like to say, though, that your comment is reasonable, respectful, and humane. I'm grateful for that. I'm just curious to know what you mean by "discourage abortion." When, in your opinion, does "discouraging abortion" infringe on a woman's right to "make her choice," as you say? If everyone around her is "discouraging abortion," does she really have a choice?
@yourengland I don't know what it is like in England, however; planned parenthood here does not always inform women like they should. Look up some of the videos here on youtube about former directors of planned parenthood. They are trained to sell abortion here. Discouraging women from it doesn't mean not loving them even though they may still make a choice to abort, it just means counseling them and educating them better. Letting them know that we may not support their decision,...cont.
@yourengland but that we do support them and love them, even after the choice that they made. But those babies are lives. My daughter was born 3 months and fought for life for 15 hours inside my womb, because she had a very low amount of oxygen. I had an infection and they had to do a c-section on me to save her and me, and when she was born and they examined the placenta, there was hardly any placenta left. It was mostly eaten away by the infection. During an abortion they fight forlivestoo
@rtwinters I'm thankful I don't know those clinics, but Planned Parenthood also does not inform women like they should. Although I think it was wrong to kill George Tiller, He actually aborted a 24 week baby, wanted baby for that matter when the mom was suffering from pre-eclampsia. That baby could've actually been saved. The mom just I guess was not educated that her baby could have made it if he had gotten another doctor in and saved both the mom and the baby.
@TheGothicMaria Because I am being honest with you, and I am pro-life, but sometimes abortion is the last straw before a woman really turns her life around. A lot of women may not say that they regret it, but they realize how far they have really fallen and they do turn their lives around in a good direction. And there are women who turn to drugs to get rid of the pain left from abortion. Those are the women that womens pregnancy centers want to help.
@TheGothicMaria They don't show graphic photos of aborted babies, they help teach parents who choose to parent or adopt with parenting classes, carseat safety classes, nutrition, breastfeeding and birthing classes and they help refer women to adoption services. The parent who chooses to parent they give diapers, wipes, baby clothes, bottles, I think formula. But they also have healing for women who have gone through an abortion and they really are not judgemental. Just be open minded aboutthem
@TheGothicMaria Actually, I went to a women's pregnancy center today and they don't stop a woman from getting an abortion and they have counseling for women who have gone through abortions. They are for women and for the baby. They discourage abortion and educate the woman on that choice, and they will not give referrals to abortionists but they will give referrals to good doctors in the area. They are not like what the video portrays.
@TheGothicMaria How did I disrespect you? If you want respect you have to give it first, and cussing on a public page is not a way of respect, but I guess I can't say much because this video has cussing on it. I'm just saying it's disrespectful to be cursing at people when they've done absolutely nothing to you is wrong in the first place.
@TheGothicMaria Doctor's who do abortions and think it's o.k really don't care about a woman's health, or future. Womens pregnancy centers don't refer women to an abortionist, but they do have other options other than abortion and they refer women to some really great doctors who think about both the health of the baby and the mother.
@TheGothicMaria That is funny you say that, because I happen to know a very good one right here that I go to, that cares about the woman's health along with the babies health, because that baby is another person.
I love how the director intentionally moved the trash can to the right since it was his first film. I can't find this movie on any free torrent sites! It's so good!
" I love how the director intentionally moved the trash can to the right since it was his first film.".......Dude......what the FUCK are you talking about?? Are you psycho? really..
Geez, this movie is totally the pig's wigs man. I love it to death and I wish more people knew about it. I try to make my friends discover it in my cult/fucked-up comedy movie section I have set aside. It is so worth it!
WHAT'S THE MATTER, ARE YOU FUCKIN' PEOPLE DEAF. I SAID I WANT AN ABORTION.
ggfanjase 6 months ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Let me guess - abortion advocates troll this video.
Only three cases in which abortion is moral:
1. Incest
2. Rape
3. True Danger to the mother
Reasons that are selfish and murderous:
1. Wanting to 'get on with my life'.
2. Having a child will get in the way of partying.
3. Not having the financial means.
Basically put, if you don't want a child don't knowingly sleep around.
darthspeaks 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria I meant to say as you say. Sorry. That was actually a typo. God bless!
LovedbcHim 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Wow! You really have no respect for women obviously since they are pieces of "shit" as you. But God bless, I love you anyways:)
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Well, who elses body are they governing when they make the choice to take a life? That baby may be in their body, however; he/she is a completely seperate person from them. they are not just a ball of cells.
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@LovedbcHim but they are just a ball of cells. Do you know how many pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion (miscarriage)? It's more than 1 in 4 (my source- working in an antenatal department for 2 years, a New Scientist article). If so many pregnancies abort naturally, does that make God/nature the world's largest provider of abortions?
If it can't survive outside of the uterus, it's not a person.
RoozleRay 7 months ago 3
@RoozleRay Well in your scientific studies, when is the age they can survive outside the womb??
LovedbcHim 7 months ago
@LovedbcHim naturally it's rare for a foetus to be completely viable before 38 weeks (completely viable = no major medical intervention needed, no incubator etc). With medical advances, foetuses have been known to survive as early as 22 weeks. In the UK it is legal to terminate a pregnancy up to 24 weeks (only 1.6% of pregnancies were terminated after 20 weeks, 87% before 12 weeks).
RoozleRay 7 months ago
@RoozleRay O.k I was curious about your response. My daughter was born at 27 weeks and 5 days. Different people say different things, however; I completely believe unless one has actually been inside a NICU for a certain amount of time we don't really know how viable a baby really is. About them ever being a blob of cells though, they are not. They very much have a spirit and very much are a child. Unless the mom's health is in extreme danger early in preg, abortion should be in God's hand
LovedbcHim 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria You know you obviously think everyone who supports life and chooses life is a piece of garbage, and you obviously think that we don't respect women. That's very funny that you say that cause I am a woman; a wife and a mother who has a very high respect for other women. Cursing is certainly not respectful. Judging is not respectful. I'm saying your being judgmental because you don't even know me and you say that I have no respect. You have NO respect honey, but God bless you
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@TheGothicMaria It's funny you say that, because we're not anti-choice. If we were we'd be pointing guns to womens heads preventing them from walking into abortion clinics. If only some of you guys could be open to what other people are really like. I think it's funny that many of you call yourselves pro-choice but you decide not to help a single mother who needs support, who chooses to keep her baby..............who are the ones that do that....pro life, so next time look in the mirror.
LovedbcHim 9 months ago
@LovedbcHim Well there are pro-lifers out there who shoot abortion providers. Like that guy who murdered Dr. George Tiller. There are also pro-lifers who stand outside of clinics and insult the women walking in. And most pro-choicers are also liberals which means that they support assistance for single mothers. I believe you when you say that there are clinics out there like the one you've described, but unfortunately there are also clinics that harass women and deliberately misinform them.
rtwinters 9 months ago
@rtwinters I definitely do not own what that person did to dr. Tiller. That was wrong. But the clinics that you talk about, most of those are planned parenthood. The staff is trained to not tell the truth about what abortion really does. The crisis pregnancy center here will tell the truth, but they won't show the graphic videos, because people really don't need to see those. I mean some people do need to see them, but not the mother's who are already confused and emotional
LovedbcHim 9 months ago
@LovedbcHim The clinics I'm talking about aren't Planned Parenthood, they're crisis pregnancy centers. PP does not lie to women, as they have nothing to gain from a woman having an abortion. Most of them don't even provide abortion services. CPCs, on the other hand, exist to counsel women against having abortions. I trust that there are crisis pregnancy centers that are respectful of women's needs, please trust that Planned Parenthood does not have that kind of an agenda.
rtwinters 9 months ago
@rtwinters And most of the pro-lifers around here do work hard to respect Planned Parenthood, although we don't agree with what they do. We have a pp here and there are people who stand across the street from the building, the majority of those people are women who have had abortions in the past and regret their abortion, and they will stand across the street and pray for the women who walk in there. The women are not murderers, their just making a choice that they will regret.
LovedbcHim 9 months ago
@LovedbcHim As long as it's peaceful and respectful, that doesn't really bother me. It's just a difference of opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions. Some women do regret having had an abortion, and I really feel for them; a woman should never be pressured into making such a personal decision. But there are many women who believe that having an abortion was the best decision they've made in their lives and they don't carry any guilt or shame around with them.
rtwinters 9 months ago
@rtwinters Many women do regret their abortions but do not talk about it, some even will tell you they don't regret it. I know there are some women though who came from absolutely horrible childhoods, and whom if they had chosen life for their baby, their baby would be extremely abused like they were, because their family would have also pressured them not to adopt, or tried to take the child out of the adoption agencies if they had put that child up for adoption.
LovedbcHim 9 months ago
@rtwinters and that girl whom I know did have the abortion, even though she regretted the abortion, she was able to put that abortion behind her and change her life around, completely and as far as I know she did not choose the path that her family chose. She chose Christ. Yes she regretted her abortion, but sometimes decisions like that really do change a person. That's why although we want to discourage abortion, because it is a life, we also have to let that woman make her choice.
LovedbcHim 9 months ago
@LovedbcHim I'm not religious, have no interest in becoming religious, and am a proud pro-choice feminist. I'd just like to say, though, that your comment is reasonable, respectful, and humane. I'm grateful for that. I'm just curious to know what you mean by "discourage abortion." When, in your opinion, does "discouraging abortion" infringe on a woman's right to "make her choice," as you say? If everyone around her is "discouraging abortion," does she really have a choice?
yourengland 8 months ago
@yourengland I don't know what it is like in England, however; planned parenthood here does not always inform women like they should. Look up some of the videos here on youtube about former directors of planned parenthood. They are trained to sell abortion here. Discouraging women from it doesn't mean not loving them even though they may still make a choice to abort, it just means counseling them and educating them better. Letting them know that we may not support their decision,...cont.
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@yourengland but that we do support them and love them, even after the choice that they made. But those babies are lives. My daughter was born 3 months and fought for life for 15 hours inside my womb, because she had a very low amount of oxygen. I had an infection and they had to do a c-section on me to save her and me, and when she was born and they examined the placenta, there was hardly any placenta left. It was mostly eaten away by the infection. During an abortion they fight forlivestoo
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@rtwinters I'm thankful I don't know those clinics, but Planned Parenthood also does not inform women like they should. Although I think it was wrong to kill George Tiller, He actually aborted a 24 week baby, wanted baby for that matter when the mom was suffering from pre-eclampsia. That baby could've actually been saved. The mom just I guess was not educated that her baby could have made it if he had gotten another doctor in and saved both the mom and the baby.
LovedbcHim 8 months ago
@TheGothicMaria If the uploader of this video knew that maybe he wouldn't have posted this video.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Because I am being honest with you, and I am pro-life, but sometimes abortion is the last straw before a woman really turns her life around. A lot of women may not say that they regret it, but they realize how far they have really fallen and they do turn their lives around in a good direction. And there are women who turn to drugs to get rid of the pain left from abortion. Those are the women that womens pregnancy centers want to help.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria They don't show graphic photos of aborted babies, they help teach parents who choose to parent or adopt with parenting classes, carseat safety classes, nutrition, breastfeeding and birthing classes and they help refer women to adoption services. The parent who chooses to parent they give diapers, wipes, baby clothes, bottles, I think formula. But they also have healing for women who have gone through an abortion and they really are not judgemental. Just be open minded aboutthem
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Actually, I went to a women's pregnancy center today and they don't stop a woman from getting an abortion and they have counseling for women who have gone through abortions. They are for women and for the baby. They discourage abortion and educate the woman on that choice, and they will not give referrals to abortionists but they will give referrals to good doctors in the area. They are not like what the video portrays.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria How did I disrespect you? If you want respect you have to give it first, and cussing on a public page is not a way of respect, but I guess I can't say much because this video has cussing on it. I'm just saying it's disrespectful to be cursing at people when they've done absolutely nothing to you is wrong in the first place.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria I'm a Christian. Please don't use bad language. Show respect. God loves you anyways:)
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Doctor's who do abortions and think it's o.k really don't care about a woman's health, or future. Womens pregnancy centers don't refer women to an abortionist, but they do have other options other than abortion and they refer women to some really great doctors who think about both the health of the baby and the mother.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
@TheGothicMaria That is funny you say that, because I happen to know a very good one right here that I go to, that cares about the woman's health along with the babies health, because that baby is another person.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
I-I-I-I-I. Don't you think that's all just a little selfish?
veejonesify 1 year ago
is this a sorority show for pro-choice geeks or something?? abortion should be ban together with the rest of you retards
ThePinoyEagle 1 year ago
@ThePinoyEagle it was a movie. and actually, the movie showed both sides fucked up, so you shouldn't complain.(:
loyaltallie 1 year ago
If someone ever ties to manipulate me by shoving one of those silly dolls at me, I'll probably toss chew it up and spit it out.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
I love how the director intentionally moved the trash can to the right since it was his first film. I can't find this movie on any free torrent sites! It's so good!
madsketcher 1 year ago
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" I love how the director intentionally moved the trash can to the right since it was his first film.".......Dude......what the FUCK are you talking about?? Are you psycho? really..
GAYPRIDE1985 1 year ago
I need desperately see this one!
jpsosa 1 year ago
lauras best movie
jeroak 2 years ago
Citizen Ruth is A+++++++!!!!!!!!
runly1 2 years ago
Geez, this movie is totally the pig's wigs man. I love it to death and I wish more people knew about it. I try to make my friends discover it in my cult/fucked-up comedy movie section I have set aside. It is so worth it!
hebleedsglitter 2 years ago 5