I thank the Brazilian for taking newaza to the next level & keeping it alive! You see more judo dojo's doing newaza now days! Just cross train judo @ bjj are the same.
when will you hear a OLYMPIC gold medalist walk off the mat and say I won this because i know BJJ you cant even compare the two sports as different as rugby and football
I've been a judoka for 22 years and I've cross-trained in BJJ for years as well. As far as judo being "behind" in newaza, anyone who thinks that is training at the wrong judo dojos or on the LOWER levels. Second, there are so many "illegal" old-school judo techniques that you never see because of ridiculous judo regulation. If you go train outside of the States you will realize this. The only poor man I see is the one getting consistently thrown and then hoping it stays there.
I trained Judo around 1990 to 1998. I can without hesitation that BJJ is far more advanced in ne waza across the board. As a Judoka, I admit it. I travelled to a few clubs, one was by a guy who was known for his ne waza in the 1970s to mid 80s. I submitted most of them with my BJJ. Given time on the ground allows more much more complex strategies and techniques to develop. There is some GREAT pure ne waza, but in most places it lagged far behind. Train both and have fun!
Most Judoka on the top of the world circuit also have a blackbelt in BJJ, as well as many top level BJJ guys also have a blackbelt in Judo. It seems to me that either martial art works best with the other as a supplement.
Judo need to learn to be a little arrogance like Muay thai and like BJJ; and show it self like a great martial art. Not only an olimpyc sport. In that way, promotion and show off game... bjj is much better.
Yeah, you're probably right. That's why Yoshida Hidehiko choked out Royce Gracie. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is fantastic, but don't sleep on Judo. History has shown repeatedly how effective it is.
@Morgothhhh Read the comment again, Morgothhhh and you'll see that the point of my statement was not to prove judo superior to bjj, but to say that judo is not inferior.
@tomwalker389 if you mean the groundwork isnt as strong as bjj your right in most cases,the judo rules mean newaza assumes a minor component in many clubs.Many bjj clubs virtually ignore stand up sparring which is far harder to learn and demands greater fitness.Without judo there would be no bjj.
judo and bjj are extremely similar,neither is a joke.Bjj is what judo was turning into before kano limited groundwork in comps.Bjj groundwork is a lot stronger than judo simply because the vast majority of their time is spent there.There are some great newaza experts but its increasingly rare nowadays as the sport discourages it.
Although its not exactly kosen judo I'd reccomend the book "mastering jujitsu". BJJ is the most efficient system for floor grappling and alot of elite judoka cross train in it. I'd reccomend this book for sure or join a BJJ school.
@Brazilianjj lol if you belivie bjj and judo is the same thing the you can't have properley been training bjj! bjj comes from the judo but it is not the same thing! and also bjj has a lot better system then in judo! in judo the fight can end when the opponent get tossed! that's the only thing i don't like with judo!
@iforippon well it is true that bjjs rules are not entireley perfect, but they are way better than judos rules in my opionion atleast. But if you forget about the rules, judo is an awsome sport.
@takidabossen yeah, i dont like judo promotion, competition and organization... in that way bjj is much better. I like judo ne-waza, técnicas, traditional ideas, traditional philosophy... but the god damn organizaton, olimpyc transformation and low promotion and low-self-defence importance is terrible.
Poor man BJJ?.. no mor like smart mans grappling.. BJJ is a joke.. all your paying for is Kosen Judo with a diff name and higher price........and a 1-2 year contract agreement.
@Brazilianjj Yeah, I got my two kids in judo. It costs $25/month/child, and one can train as many as 5x/week. The BJJ schools around my area charge, on average, $85/month for lessons 2x/week. I went to observe at all the judo and bjj schools. I chose judo for several reasons - no chokes and arm bars for young kids; a lot of emphasis placed on traditional respect, keeping the dojo clean, etc.; more emhasis on breakfalling and tumbling; good blend of stand-up and newaza; CHEAPER.
obviously most judo doesnt train on the ground a lot but ive sparred with some great judo groundwork lads but they were blackbelts and i just a blue,they also tended to be fitter and stronger than bjj lads due to the more demanding standup.
30% of international judo fights end by ippon in newaza ( IJF facts) considering the limited time for newaza allowed in competition thats quite a high percentage and requires alot of skill and practise. so id hardly say that judoka's dont train on the ground alot. my dojo trains 50-50 in throws and ground work.
you mean that of the fights won by ippon 30 % are groundwork,doesnt mean 30 % of matches are won on the ground.Even so id be surprise by that.Ive seen whole competitions without any significant groundwork.
also the BJA grading sylabus requires the in depth knowledge of newaza in both practical and theory applications. half the techniques needed to again belts are newaza. sweeps and subs from the guard are taught aswell and transitions feature heavily . judo newaza is alive and kicking.
@tomwalker389 Also, how can Judo Newaza be a poor man's BJJ when BJJ derived from Judo? Judo is the father of BJJ, Sambo and other New Age grappling based martial arts.
Not allowed in some Judo competition but not entirely all competition. There are leg locks in Judo. That is why in BJJ it is called leg lock though it is not really a leg lock. It is so called a leg lock because in Japanese term it is called ASHI which could mean LEG or Foot. even the ankle lock it is also called Ashi Kubi.
Judo teaches Leg locks. Its just not allowed in competition.. not all schools will teach it.. but if its a TRUE judo school and not just sport judo. then they will teach it. Real judo has excelent ground game.
virtually no judo schools teach leglocks,why would they,it isnt allowed in competition and 99.9% of judo is sports orientated.I know there are a tiny minority of individual coaches who teach early 20th century judo with leg attacks but are very hard to find.
I thank the Brazilian for taking newaza to the next level & keeping it alive! You see more judo dojo's doing newaza now days! Just cross train judo @ bjj are the same.
judorican973 7 months ago
when will you hear a OLYMPIC gold medalist walk off the mat and say I won this because i know BJJ you cant even compare the two sports as different as rugby and football
antonyparkinson 8 months ago
3:58 is just sick!!!!!!!!
SouthFultonClick 9 months ago
I've been a judoka for 22 years and I've cross-trained in BJJ for years as well. As far as judo being "behind" in newaza, anyone who thinks that is training at the wrong judo dojos or on the LOWER levels. Second, there are so many "illegal" old-school judo techniques that you never see because of ridiculous judo regulation. If you go train outside of the States you will realize this. The only poor man I see is the one getting consistently thrown and then hoping it stays there.
shotokanslammer1 10 months ago
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albert47NC 1 year ago
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albert47NC 1 year ago
I trained Judo around 1990 to 1998. I can without hesitation that BJJ is far more advanced in ne waza across the board. As a Judoka, I admit it. I travelled to a few clubs, one was by a guy who was known for his ne waza in the 1970s to mid 80s. I submitted most of them with my BJJ. Given time on the ground allows more much more complex strategies and techniques to develop. There is some GREAT pure ne waza, but in most places it lagged far behind. Train both and have fun!
LardInATubeSock 1 year ago
1:33 is proper skill!!!
Anyone know how is this guy?
I believe he is from the Nederlands.
Newaza is great!!
rodrigoemari1 1 year ago
1:33 is proper skill!!!
Anyone know how is this guy?
I believe he is from the Nederlands.
Newaza is great!!
rodrigoemari1 1 year ago
Lots of Huizinga here, he really was an expert at ne-waza
bla7091 1 year ago
Most Judoka on the top of the world circuit also have a blackbelt in BJJ, as well as many top level BJJ guys also have a blackbelt in Judo. It seems to me that either martial art works best with the other as a supplement.
RurouniHeart 1 year ago
Both are very old martial arts... judo and jiujitsu.
kokyjabn 1 year ago
Judo need to learn to be a little arrogance like Muay thai and like BJJ; and show it self like a great martial art. Not only an olimpyc sport. In that way, promotion and show off game... bjj is much better.
kokyjabn 1 year ago
Found It!
Name of the track in the video is "A Night In The Park", by John Kelley
strafefire 1 year ago
Does anyone know the name of the song in this video?
strafefire 1 year ago
Judo has won me more BJJ matches than BJJ has.....
Just sayin.
mulisha6 1 year ago
@mulisha6 Jajaja, you don't know what you are talking about, jajaja. Where's your brain??
albert47NC 1 year ago
@albert47NC Right on top of the state title in PA for judo.
mulisha6 1 year ago
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jfowefij21 1 year ago
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jfowefij21 1 year ago
Poor man's BJJ.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
"Poor man's BJJ?"
Yeah, you're probably right. That's why Yoshida Hidehiko choked out Royce Gracie. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is fantastic, but don't sleep on Judo. History has shown repeatedly how effective it is.
blackrussian9 2 years ago 20
Damn straight
FuckingBoozer 2 years ago
@blackrussian9 And Yoshida got heelhooked by Barnett (BJJ blackbelt), so this doesnt prove much. Walking on a thin ice pal.
Morgothhhh 1 year ago
@Morgothhhh Read the comment again, Morgothhhh and you'll see that the point of my statement was not to prove judo superior to bjj, but to say that judo is not inferior.
blackrussian9 1 year ago
@Morgothhhh Josh Barnett was only recently given a black belt in BJJ. He has been a catch wrestler his whole career.
strafefire 1 year ago
@strafefire and that proves what? The fact he was doing BJJ at the point of their match, and he has a BB is enough for me...
Morgothhhh 1 year ago
@blackrussian9 the same judo line fark bullshit
121069 1 year ago
@tomwalker389 if you mean the groundwork isnt as strong as bjj your right in most cases,the judo rules mean newaza assumes a minor component in many clubs.Many bjj clubs virtually ignore stand up sparring which is far harder to learn and demands greater fitness.Without judo there would be no bjj.
billysue2 2 years ago
Poor man BJJ?.. no mor like smart mans grappling.. BJJ is a joke.. all your paying for is Kosen Judo with a diff name and higher price.
Brazilianjj 2 years ago 7
judo and bjj are extremely similar,neither is a joke.Bjj is what judo was turning into before kano limited groundwork in comps.Bjj groundwork is a lot stronger than judo simply because the vast majority of their time is spent there.There are some great newaza experts but its increasingly rare nowadays as the sport discourages it.
billysue2 2 years ago
mate , from where i can find info about kosen judo, any link to books, resources ? THX
vulcanocore 2 years ago
Type in Kosen Judo on yourtube or Google. there is almost no schools in America.. they are mostly in Japan now.
Brazilianjj 2 years ago
Although its not exactly kosen judo I'd reccomend the book "mastering jujitsu". BJJ is the most efficient system for floor grappling and alot of elite judoka cross train in it. I'd reccomend this book for sure or join a BJJ school.
turismogamer 2 years ago
@Brazilianjj hah word
Judocraft 1 year ago
@Brazilianjj lol if you belivie bjj and judo is the same thing the you can't have properley been training bjj! bjj comes from the judo but it is not the same thing! and also bjj has a lot better system then in judo! in judo the fight can end when the opponent get tossed! that's the only thing i don't like with judo!
takidabossen 1 year ago
@takidabossen and in some BJJ rulesets your opponent can flop straight to his ass, and you get penalised for NOT engaging him.
Both sports have some fucking retarded rules in place, so lets not play one one-upmanship here.
iforippon 1 year ago
@iforippon well it is true that bjjs rules are not entireley perfect, but they are way better than judos rules in my opionion atleast. But if you forget about the rules, judo is an awsome sport.
takidabossen 1 year ago
@takidabossen yeah, i dont like judo promotion, competition and organization... in that way bjj is much better. I like judo ne-waza, técnicas, traditional ideas, traditional philosophy... but the god damn organizaton, olimpyc transformation and low promotion and low-self-defence importance is terrible.
kokyjabn 1 year ago
@kokyjabn hehe! yes ne-waza in awsome! :) its a pitty it's not as big in the world as it should be :D
takidabossen 1 year ago
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@Brazilianjj
Poor man BJJ?.. no mor like smart mans grappling.. BJJ is a joke.. all your paying for is Kosen Judo with a diff name and higher price........and a 1-2 year contract agreement.
hellofaname 8 months ago
@Brazilianjj Yeah, I got my two kids in judo. It costs $25/month/child, and one can train as many as 5x/week. The BJJ schools around my area charge, on average, $85/month for lessons 2x/week. I went to observe at all the judo and bjj schools. I chose judo for several reasons - no chokes and arm bars for young kids; a lot of emphasis placed on traditional respect, keeping the dojo clean, etc.; more emhasis on breakfalling and tumbling; good blend of stand-up and newaza; CHEAPER.
mrkitanai1 5 months ago
obviously most judo doesnt train on the ground a lot but ive sparred with some great judo groundwork lads but they were blackbelts and i just a blue,they also tended to be fitter and stronger than bjj lads due to the more demanding standup.
billysue2 2 years ago
30% of international judo fights end by ippon in newaza ( IJF facts) considering the limited time for newaza allowed in competition thats quite a high percentage and requires alot of skill and practise. so id hardly say that judoka's dont train on the ground alot. my dojo trains 50-50 in throws and ground work.
tyebo87 2 years ago
you mean that of the fights won by ippon 30 % are groundwork,doesnt mean 30 % of matches are won on the ground.Even so id be surprise by that.Ive seen whole competitions without any significant groundwork.
billysue2 2 years ago
no the actuall fact is that 30% of judo matches are won on the ground sorry if my terminology wasnt correct. these are IJF figures not mine.
tyebo87 2 years ago
that efinitely isnt fact,wheres the webpage?
billysue2 2 years ago
also the BJA grading sylabus requires the in depth knowledge of newaza in both practical and theory applications. half the techniques needed to again belts are newaza. sweeps and subs from the guard are taught aswell and transitions feature heavily . judo newaza is alive and kicking.
tyebo87 2 years ago
@tomwalker389 Also, how can Judo Newaza be a poor man's BJJ when BJJ derived from Judo? Judo is the father of BJJ, Sambo and other New Age grappling based martial arts.
dagreatcapri82 5 months ago
wow the leg lock at 2:48 looks bad ass
ahsuknat 2 years ago
it wasnt a leglock ,they arent allowed in judo,the leg grab was to help with the turnover and to stop the armlock escape.
billysue2 2 years ago
Not allowed in some Judo competition but not entirely all competition. There are leg locks in Judo. That is why in BJJ it is called leg lock though it is not really a leg lock. It is so called a leg lock because in Japanese term it is called ASHI which could mean LEG or Foot. even the ankle lock it is also called Ashi Kubi.
redcapKO 2 years ago
not allowed in any judo comps ,its not even in the kodokan syllabus.
billysue2 2 years ago
Some judo does not teach Foot locks
redcapKO 2 years ago
Judo teaches Leg locks. Its just not allowed in competition.. not all schools will teach it.. but if its a TRUE judo school and not just sport judo. then they will teach it. Real judo has excelent ground game.
Brazilianjj 2 years ago
virtually no judo schools teach leglocks,why would they,it isnt allowed in competition and 99.9% of judo is sports orientated.I know there are a tiny minority of individual coaches who teach early 20th century judo with leg attacks but are very hard to find.
billysue2 2 years ago
excelente.....qué brazilian ju jitsu?
rafaelmiqui 2 years ago
4:16 IPPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
putipool 2 years ago
that poor guy at 1:11 looked soo helpless the whole time...felt bad for him too...
BoricuaBrotha 2 years ago
the ground work in judo is awesome!!!!!! i love it nothing beats a good shimme waza
thirkjudo100 2 years ago
great video. background music fits quite well. i almost felt strangled myself :D
Zefobenga 3 years ago
did you tap?? =P
dunkelblau2006 3 years ago
nope, it was too fast. passed out and when i woke up, the video was over =)
Zefobenga 3 years ago
Superbe vidéo. Qui à composé la musique ?
kecyl 3 years ago
3.30 great strangle
judoguy307 3 years ago
Bien bueno este video la verdad,y la música de fondo concuerda con todo... =D
Hisopoman 3 years ago