Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jeremiah 10
Jesus said: (John 14:26) But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
@annazakiya The "Holy Ghost" is angel Gabriel...compare Matt.1:18 to Luke1:26-27. Christians not only worship Jesus the Prophet as God but also the angel Gabriel as well...Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
@Blasfamy3N1 Gabriel was a messenger angel who told Mary she was to conceive through the Holy Spirit, that's exactly what those passages you gave are saying. Luke 1:35 "The angel answered 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you'..." I can't see how you can think that means Gabriel IS the Holy Spirit.
Muslims reading this you can read scripture for yourself at blueletterbible or arabbible
Respond to this video... (contd) Also Muhammad denied the entire subject of the gospel so it is impossible that Muhammad and Jesus can be part of the same divine plan (unless Yahweh made a mistake, but he can't have as we all agree he is perfect and all-powerful).
Btw Jesus never told us or anyone to follow Muhammad. If you read John 14, 15,and 16 you'll see he clearly shows who the comforter is, and it's not Muhammad. Plus Jesus promised that the comforter, the Spirit of truth would be "IN" the disciples!! How can Muhammad be the comforter if he came 600years after all of Jesus disciples died? Doesn't make sense. Read John 14:17 and John 15:26 VERY! carefully.
You and everybody here needs Jesus, there is none but Jesus who can save you from the wrath of God against you because of your sins. The penalty of Sin is death! Jesus died and took on God's wrath that was intended for you, so that when you die you might have eternal life rather than eternal condemnation. Muhammad was used by Satan to deceive people, all muslim leaders are used by Satan to lead people astray. Jesus is the truth and the only way to God the Father!
a question from a brother of mankind who loves Islam and love the idea about Islam, but have some "humps" to the deen.. If Allah subhana wa´tala is so perfect, why would he be in writing language? I understand the hole Quran and that´s also a reason for not belive in that it should be the word of the source we call God (or Allah).. I´m not trying to affende anyone, just seeking the truth. Sorry my English
@ZERDAHK786 if God is all these 99 attributes (and some may claim more), why would God reveale himself in a written language? Language is manmade and so flawfull to our understanding, so why would God use this method to speak to us? I know muslim belive that we are born with faith and knowing, but why wouldent he then just reveale himself in the hearts or (god knows best) something else wich is more flawless? peace be to you
@YONATOOTH GOD is revealed in every righteous heart. We humans are not angles nor jinns, we have a flesh we eat and drink we urinate, our brain and body does not work like those of a higher level e.g. angels. therefore God has revealed to us prophets to proclaim God's messages to humankind. God has sent all the prophets on earth to humankind from Adam a.s till Muhammad pbuh untill the message is preserved. the only preserved message on earth today is the Holy Quran.
@YONATOOTH God is close to you also, if it wasn't God you would not be asking or seeking questions, answers and knowledge. perhaps you need to understand the purpose of life as a whole.
@YONATOOTH Sorry for the late replies brother, i am at office and its busy here. here is a good website to seek more knowledge and answers too and you can also chat with the site supervisors and share your views with other people there.
peace be upon you too. Allah didnt reveal Himself in a written language. The Holy Qur-an isnt created. It is the direct speech of Allah to humankind and jinkind. Muhammad , Allah's Messenger, didnt leave any book behind him. He didnt write any book.But he carved the Qur-an into the Hearts of 1200 men and women.By the time of his death 1200 people memorized The Qur-an by heart already. It was only after many Quran memorizers had died that Quran was compiled as a book as not to lose the Message.
@YONATOOTH Hi again.I do apologise. was 120 not 1200. Maybe i felt overly proud in saying that. But the truth is there were lots of companions , if not 1200, :), who had already mem/zed the whole Quran by death of Prophet SAW. Imagine even 120, it is miraculous, for there is not a single book on the face of earth throughout history, except for Quran, which s'been memorized.Quran's first copy is similar to the one that we got now Here's link of 120 men/women. sunnah.org/history/memorizers.htm
@airus1001 "The Holy Qur-an isnt created" O_o really, well if this is true why is it that there have been like about over 200 verses in the Qur'an that have been abrogated?
According to Islam there is none that can change the words or decrees of Allah, yet there also the doctrine of abrogation in Islam, WTH lol can't you see how illogical and inconsistent your religion is?
If u just give me reference for your source which says about 200 verses of Quran being abrogated.I'll again stress that Quran isnt created. It is direct speech of Allaah. Just open the first page of Quran n u'll see style,content, and tone of language. It d be surprising that Our prophet (PBUH) d command himself with his own words and say it is from Allaah. and keep fooling his companions for 23 years. Human is to err. If Quran wasnt from Allah,within 23 years,all would have been exposed.Peace
@airus1001 Sources eh? Have you heard of the Hadiths? and Al-tabari? Here one of them that I've remembered. Surah 53 19:20 "Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-Uzza
and Manāt, the third, the other? These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for"
You read this verse in your Qur'an now and it's not the same.
But as for others, check out the following video.. watch?v=91AM7665cbo
One has to be mentally sick to accept this hadith.The Chain, narrative, narrators, transmission route of ur hadith is totally fake and fabricated.it is totally inconsistent with Our Prophet's life and message he was delivering to be accepted.Plus contextual flow of verse 53 doesnt allow at all the inclusion of such verses. Arabs never described their gods as 'al gharaniq'. Neither in poetry nor in their speeches or traditions can u find their gods or goddesses to be described with such terms.
@airus1001 How can you say one has to be mentally sick to accept, well The Hadiths? And don't say "ur" hadiths cuz there is no such thing as a false hadith, those guys in the video were using muslims OWN sources. So you see the Qur'an is not uncreated and is not perfect nor from the God of Abraham. What God do you worship?
That is where the fallacy lies. U see, even in our own Sources we got fake ,fabricated,weak,strong n authentic hadiths.Unless hadith is strong or authenntic, there is no way we accept any part of it. The hadith u quote from Tabarani has no authenticity n is in the list of fabricated hadiths. Quran IS uncreated, perfect,is from God(I can prove,God willing),And Allaah is the same God which Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon all of them) would fall down in prostration in front of.
@airus1001 OK, but even in the strong authentic Muslim sources like Sahih al-Bukhari, and Sahih Muslim, they still show that there have been abrogations.
Now go ahead proved to me that this God of yours is the same as the God of Abraham and all the other prophets that came after him.
Wow!!! That is amazing. You know all the Hadith books?! Well done, then the question is why are you not Muslim yet? :)) Anyway, the point is , none of these 2 books say anything about abrogation in Quran. Because it wasnt abrogated. Show me the number of hadith which says that.
@airus1001 The Qur'an itself shows the whole issue of abrogation (Surah 2:106) Big problem with this verse, do you see it?
Sahih Muslim Book 003, Number 0675. But anyways, why am I not a Muslim yet, well because I choose to believe in Jesus and believe all his teachings and all the things He claimed about himself. That's why. :)
If u r utterly sincere in ur saying that u chose to believe n FULFILL ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS(Matthew 5:19), then why is it that u: don't submit urself to the Will of God like Muslims(Muslim is one who submits his will to the will of God) and Jesus did(Matthew 7:21:John 5:30) dont pray n prostrate to ONE GOD ONLY AS jESUS DID(Matthew 26:36-39) deny Jesus's prophecy of another prophet from Allah(John 14:16;16:17) are not circumcised as Jesus was(Luke 2:21) dont keep beard as Jesus did(Isaiah 50:6)
@airus1001 I do submit to the Will of God, I know what the will of God is, and it has nothing to do with what position you pray nor how one looks on the outside. Jesus said "This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." To believe is also to obey, Jesus said "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." I don't have to believe in Muhammad cuz Jesus said he was to way to Heaven. Qur'an contradicts Jesus teachings.
John(16:7-12)Nevertheless I tell u the truth;It is expedient for u that I go away:for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto u; but if I depart, I will sent him unto u.And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment I have yet many things to say unto u, but ye cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.
He is Muhammad.Thats why u have to believe in Him too.Anyway tmain dif/nce btw christians and Muslims is only that u consider Jesus son of God(acc to Bible(psalms 2:7)Prophet David was also begotten son of God) and we, muslims consider him one of the mightiest Messengers of God who was conceived miraculously. U claim Jesus is God, and U claim Jesus is Son of God. Just respond sincerely. Is it not absurd? how can one have a peace in heart.?Hard even to get who Jesus is from the Bibles.
@airus1001 The Comforter is the Holy Spirit. It lives inside of Jesus' true followers and it comforts, guides and teaches us, speaks to us through the spirit.
@annazakiya Jesus was not accepted as divine until the Council of Nicea, 325 CE, but everyone, except Jews, agree he was a prophet of God, as indicated by the Bible: Matthew 21:11 “...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.” Luke 24:19 “...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.” 4. Jesus prayed to God for another parakletos: John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another parakletos.”
@annazakiya 1. Jesus said the parakletos is a human being: John 16:13 “He will speak.” John 16:7 “…for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.” It is impossible that the Comforter be the “Holy Ghost” because the Holy Ghost was present long before Jesus and during his ministry, John 16:13 Jesus referred to the paraclete as ‘he’ and not ‘it’ seven times, no other verse in the Bible contains seven masculine pronouns. Therefore, paraclete is a person, not a ghost.
@airus1001 The Holy Spirit, Jesus and Yahweh are one, yet distinct. The Holy Spirit is Jesus' spirit that lives inside the believer, hence referring to "it" as He. The Holy Spirit DOES speak - we are talking about the spiritual realm so it doesn't mean "speak" as in our fleshly way. The Holy Spirit speaks to me through dreams, movements inside my soul, an inner voice, an inner feeling, and yes occasionally and audible voice inside my head.
@islamictvdotcom Yes, you are right. Jesus never came to establish a "religion". There are many people in the world today that call themselves "Christian" - they attend church, worship the Bible and love Christmas. Such people are very religious but that's NOT what Jesus came for. He came so that we could receive the gift of His Holy Spirit. Through Jesus we are able to have a two-way personal relationship with our Creator.
You don't find Him in any building or book, look INSIDE to find Him.
@annazakiya Jesus said it would be this way - that people would do all these things in His name and on judgement day He would say "Go away I never KNEW you".
i guess now youre going to make the argument that if we believe God can do anything we MUST believe He is capable of having a son. let me tell you why this logic is flawed: God can do anything, at all, anything at all we can think of?? :
ON THE CONTRARY HE PROPHESIZED THAT ""But in vain they do worship me teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9). " on top of that he prayed to God: (Mark 1:35) Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed. Dawn prayer early in the morning is one of the 5 daily prayer's in Muslim' life.
@airus1001 Yep Jesus didn't say he was God or worship me, but he did revealed himself to be The Son of God. David was known as the son of God in a metaphorical sense, he was also know as the 1st born, But he wasn't actually the 1st born in his family.
Jesus on the other hand is the true unique Son of God, the word "monogenes" in John 3:16 means "only legitimate, single, unique, etc..As for how Jesus is the Son of God and God, well 1st off you need to realize that the word God, cont..
Cont.. The word God is a title not a name, the title "God" is even given to him by his Own Father(Father God the one true God) to Jesus, read Hebrews 1:8-11. As the Son of a Divine being, the Son is also divine.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, do you believe him? Jesus claimed to be the only way to heaven, do you believe him? Jesus even predicted his death on the cross, do you deny Jesus died on the cross? You claim to believe in Jesus but you love to call him a liar!
Well, as for ur accusations, they r baseless.We muslims have the highest respect for Jesus as Messenger of Allaah. We never downgrade or speak ill of him pbuh. That is a grave sin in Islam. I dont have to deny them, bible,ur own book denies.Anyway Bible is self contradictory.N u say Bible is from God(full of contradictions cant be from God 100%)Bible says, seek truth n it will free you. But u r turning blind eye to the truth. Eyes r not blind, but the hearts...
@airus1001 Well then answer the questions, do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? Do you believe he laid down his life just like he said he would? Do you believe he is The Word of God? the Messiah?
Contradictions eh? I chatted with many muslims before and I'd showed them that the Bible actually doesn't have contradictions. Check out my "Videos about the Bible" playlist if your interested. I say the Bible is from God? so does the Qur'an! Sura 2:87, 4:163, & Sura 5:46
repeat ur question to urself . It doesn't make sense.How can God have a son.Exalted is He from such blasphemy!Him Our minds are so limited to comprehend!He doesn't beget,nor was he begotten,theres NOONE LIKE HIM.do u really think God is smb like a Human?to beget?Try u can't imagine Him.Human intellect is so limited. As 4 ur q.tions,No,Jesus is just a mesengerof ]God,as He confirms in Bible.He was His son in a sense that He was Godly, pious person.Like other sons of God(There r tens in Bible).
@airus1001 Yahweh expects a certain amount of intelligence from us. He manifested himself in the form of a human (Jesus) but Yahweh is also Jesus' father as He and only He made Mary pregnant. You believe Mary conceived immaculately, therefore Jesus had no human father, so who would you say is Jesus' father?
@annazakiya He Who created Adam without a father or a mother is able to create Jesus, as well, without a father. If u claim that Jesus is God's son because he was created without a father, then the same claim befits Adam even more. However, since such a claim regarding Adam is obviously false, then making the same claim about Jesus (pbuh) is even more false. Read Quran, chapter Mary. quran,com/19
Cont.d He was never crucified.I do believe He is the WordofGod,Which God inspired in Mary pbuh womb.also do believe He is The messiah.As a muslim u dont have to reject His pbuh being messiah.As in Quran, no messenger came to abolish any law of Allaah. all came to confirm what was sent be4 that Your God is Only One God,No sons or partners.So Worship Him only.Similarly,Jesus pbuh came to confirm Torah,when it's changed by human hand,n Muhammad pbuh came to confirm Gospel,after it's changed by men
@airus1001 Well you and the Qur'an is wrong, Jesus was crucified, even secular historical documents shows this. Your Qur'an contradicts historical facts. This is why I can't accept it as true. Muhammad did not come to confirm the gospel after it was changed, that is a flat lie, plus do you see the irony here? There are none who can change the words or decrees of God, even your own Qur'an says so. The gospel were never tampered with. A lie that comes straight from the Father of Lies.
If u really believe Bible has no contradictions, then read what your own scholar Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, had to say:
“Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this.Those books have passed through the minds of men,are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men.It is Human,Yet Divine,”
@airus1001 You believe Jesus is the Messiah? O_o you do know that the word Messiah = "One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator." Jesus is exactly just that, he is the savior to all those who believe in him for salvation. Jesus himself said with his own words what's said in John 14:6.
Muhammad is a false prophet used by Satan to distort to true view of Jesus. Muhammad right now is in Hell! Take a look at this video.
"But they got no knowledge therein.They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth." Quran. we'll yet see who is in Hell.
Song of Solomon 5:16:"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo MUHAMMADIM Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." iF u DON'T follow Muhammad,then ur destiny is in Hell. Coz its in ur own book in front of u name Muhammad! What proof else do you need. Jesus is telling u to follow Him .Anyway, As Quran says:They are deaf,dumb, and blind.They wont return. cont...
@airus1001 God doesn't need to guide me to the truth, Jesus IS the truth. He himself said it. All the words Jesus spoke are the very words of God. (John 12:49)
Your rejecting God, none may come to God but through Jesus, (John 14:6) Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Also I don't need to follow or believe in Muhammad, he is not a prophet. Sura 29:27 disqualifies Muhammad to be a prophet since Muhammad does not come from the seed of Isaac or Jacob. Cased closed!
@jonathanfater I am really amazed by your knowledge of Quran, yet not Muslim yet :))). Well done!!! it is worth praising your effort, that u really seek for truth. Go on and May Allah bless u with prosperity, peace and guidance.
So you believe Jesus is a prophet as Muslims believe? Allaah (God) sent messengers with ONE message ONLY! To worship Him (Not the prophets. Doesn't it make any sense?). But people who followed their desires changed the message. Then Allaah would send another Messenger to CONFIRM WHAT WAS SENT BEFORE, not to give new laws. (Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.)
@jonathanfater No prophet has ever come to abolish the law, but to fulfill them, like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad. They were sen t only to put people to the straight Path, To worship One God ONLY. And that is what exactly Muslims do-worship One God.
@cycler7755 LOL. All you have is repeating your lies the verse does mentions quite clearly that khaybar was already destroyed when muhammad(pbh) and his companion reached the city secondly the verse does not mention how many jews were killed or if any jews were killed. The best thing you did was post the verse and anyone with intelligence and is looking for the truth will be able to read it for themselves and find out that you have lied about the so called 900 jews. Joke is on you.
have a piece of mind and give it some thoughts, Islam is the simple rigid and the last truth that is revealed to mankind, your Christmas is a pagan idea, thinking about Jesus pbuh birthday is just out of the question, Jesus pbuh birthday is unknown to the whole world,stupid chinese as American says knows more about Islam than you people who have more organized education in your countries. this is how they say christmas, Sintau Failuk, make sense? santa festival??? not a joke ask any chinese.
interesting how personal attacks (naturally not grounded, mildly said), are obligatory for certain ppl 2 turn to, when they have no answers and are trying to escape admitting it...
Jesus was not an arrogant, oblivious prophet. He was a good man preaching truth and honesty. If he saw what the world has come to-worshipping him instead of God who CREATED HIM-he would be ashamed. in fact, im sure he is ashamed. If i want to repent for my sins i ask ALLAH for help and forgiveness because he is the one who created me. why is this hard to understand?
by the way, the HIJAB IS IN THE TAURAT AND THE BIBLE (INJIL). theVirgin Mary covered her head-im sick of everyone saying Muslim women are oppressed when the Mother of Jesus herself covered her head and ornaments out of respect.
Brothers and sisters and cousins...we are more alike than you believe. It is not like being Muslim means that we invented a new God or a new way to worship or something...on the contrary, the Qur'an calls us to return to the religion of Abraham (Ibrahim)...essentially the Qur'an calls us to worship as original Jews worship....stop hatin' yall.
Real Jesus of the Bible is not the same Jesus of the Quran. They are totally different people. Jesus of the Quran is an imagination of Muhammad who made up stories from what he heard about Jesus at his time from the arab merchandises who used to travel to christian nations. So keep all your imagination to yourself. Jesus is the Lord and the Savior of the mankind and guess what He is still alive!
Santa Claus isn't in the Bible. All Christians know about this. He is not the reason we Christians celebrate Christmas. Christmas is not about the date, Santa or even about anything else than celebrating Jesus Christ's birth into this world who came as a ransom for the sins of the mankind who accepts him as a Savior. "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."John 1:14
Jesus never commanded anyone to worship him. We follow the ways of the prophets-we do not worship Jesus pbuh because he said not to.....we do this out of respect for the oneness of Allah swt (God) and nothing else. I was condemned to hell by a Christian the other day because apparently i "dont believe in Jesus unless I believe he was God" so i told him i would be happy in hell if thats what worshipping only Allah meant. I am a Muslim convert and I made the best decision of my life by converting
@cycler7755 Oh God. U have not presented any evidence.
Mate..300-400 people are becoming MUSLIMS everyday in the WEST! WHY ARENT THEY BECOMING AGNOSTIC?? WHY ISLAM?? THEY R ALL FOOLS?? The scientists, Doctors, Christian scholars, baptists, ministers ...THEY ARE ALL FOOL TO U?
I never said Muhammad created quran. I implied he was a man and u believe in his words.
Also, I never knew God was the one who squeezed muhammah 3 times telling him to recite, I thought according to quran that was Gabriel who presented the quran to muhammad.
First u say uthman edited quran, yet the uthman codex is incomplete and has non traditional aya structure.
Read the manuscript yourself.
We can talk science. Just show me where in any quranic commentary that Dr moore was right.
@milkydud The only thing uthman changed is the dialect of the language that was written in it NOT THE MESSAGE AND NOT THE CONTEXT. The two of you are pulling nonesense out of thin air because you cant prove anything else about the quran or muhammad.
I have no problem answering your questions about Psalm 91
BUT you and only you dodge mine.
Could you please tell me, ACCORDING TO THE UTHMAN CODEX, What are the first and last Surahs/Ayas?
I will respond to your issues with Psalms 91 in a PM to save time and space.
Might I add, Rabbi Pinchas Lapide, A Jewish Orthodox Rabbi and one of the FEW New Testament Scholars, wrote a book about Jesus DEATH... The Resurrection of Jesus: A Jewish Perspective. Please buy and read it.
@milkydud Why does the uthman codex matter, we do not care, ask me something that applies to us TODAY. Iam not dodging your questions but it seems when you christians cannot prove something you hang on to something else from the past that we have no interest in. Ask me about the Quran today. As for the rabbis i dont care for them, the verses that i have posed to you said jesus was NEVER crucified YOUR own god is saying this, and yet your advicing me to read what some rabbis said about it.
@ThePinkLei You just have no truth in you. You can't answer any of the statements, you run away and then just copy-paste what you heard from Osama Aballah, who is to unintelligent to realize that by criticizing the God of the OT he is actually criticizing his own Allah as he believes the Qu'ran's Allah is the God of the OT. The irony!
I know Muslims like you - you're the ones that can't address any of the statements, so you run and hide or go into copy paste mode because you're too afraid of
@cycler7755 Says the dude who couldnt provid one shred of evidence of your lies and accusations against Islam and Muhamd(pbh). I have provided VERSES AND CHAPTERS so you can look it up yourself if you have the bibles at home which i highly doubt you dont and it is clear that you dont since you accuse me of copying and pasting. You have last terribly just give up and move on. I proved about the hadith chpters you posted talks about NONE OF the things YOU ACCUSED OF muhammad(pbh) iam done with you
@ThePinkLei I quoted Qu'ran, Hadith and Seerah. Gave you Surah for the Qu'ran, Hadiths for Bukhari and Muslim, and page number for the Seerah. You couldn't address it, didn't even try.
You just went quiet and then went into copy paste mode off Abdallah's site, a man who is too naive to realize that by making fun of the Biblical God he's actually making fun of his own Allah as he claims the two are the same.
I like having discussions with honest, truthful Muslims, who can have a dialogue and
@ThePinkLei if there is a fact, realize it as such. But you're not in that category. Many are, you are not.
Why you want to talk to people in the first place I don't know. You're just someone who likes trolling and wastes people's time. You don't even know Islam, and you don't know the real Muhammad - I can guarantee you've never even read the full Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim and the most important Seerah, Sirat Rasoul Allah by Ibn Ishaq. You're ignorant on Islam, a troll
@cycler7755 I have EVERY RIGHT to defend my faith when ignorants like you make wild accusations against my beloved prophet(pbh) and Islam. rest assured i will defend it and i will proof uneducated like you for the liars you are. If you cant handle us proving you wrong than do not lie about Islam and we will gladly leave you alone. It is CLEAR that I know Islam after refuting all of your lies, and also its clear that you dont b/c you are stuck on ibn ishaq whos hadiths are not AUTHENTIC.
@ThePinkLei having an actual dialogue. Some Muslims are honest and can at least talk properly and look at the facts - and see how Muhammad composed the Qu'ran, how he was a warlord, how the Qu'ran makes TONS of mistakes on all sorts of subjects, how well known fabricated stories about Jesus such as him giving life to a bird of clay which are then found word for word in the Qu'ran, and it just goes on and on.
May the Holy Spirit guide you by helping to give you an open mind and critical thinking
@milkydud Well. Gabriel came and asked Muhammad PBUH to READ (IQRA), and Muhammad PBUH said "I CANT READ". However, Prophet Muhammad PBUH recited the words the Angel Gabriel told Muhammad PBUH that he brought from Allah.
U wanna talk science. Alright. Read Dr Keith Moore's comments on Embryology and Quran. It is the first step for you :)
@MrZP20 Those are not Keith Moore's comments. Those are the comments a Muslim made about Keith Moore's work. Stop lying. Here, watch Islam and its claim of Embryology get totally exposed:watch?v=DZXocJbjDpI&feature=channel_video_title
@milkydud i watched that LONG time ago.Here Mcdowel wins,in other places,other christian scholars LOSE!.its a debate.Any one can win.Like in court of law,the criminal sometimes win the CASE..even though he committed the crime..he still remains a criminal!
Anyway..thanks for ur effort though. U cant convince me and not even those who are becoming muslims everyday...about 300-400 people in the west! Mostly christians as well! tut tut :)
Gd luck with ur efforts. U r inviting more ppl to islam:)
This is important to understand, because Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion. The rejection of the Jesus, (v.6), the insults they hurled at Him (vv.7-8 – compare with Matt.27:38-43), the pain of the crucifixion (vv.14-15), the piercing of His hands and feet (v.16), the dividing up of His clothing by lot (v.18) are just some of the more obvious parallels.
@milkydud Jesus was NOT crucified according to these bible verses.. (Psalm 91:15), (Psalm 91:3). (Psalm 91:4). (Psalm 91:5). (Psalm 91:8).
No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10....this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion). (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment. His call will be HEARD Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13
@milkydud There is no truth in a book that has been changed by MAN over and over again. If you were to read all the bibles you will find that not one agrees with the other. These bibles cant even agree as to whether your god was crufified or not.
@cycler7755 i urge you to talk with evidence. put up some verses from quran with ur claims. And lets talk about it. stop screaming like a cat :)
And lets agree on one thing. Who was jesus? Son of god or God?o r son of man? or a prophet? I know 4 different priests with 4 different belief. What religion is this, where they are UNSURE of who the God is? LOOL ;..BECAUSE WHATEVER U CHOOSE TO DESCRIBE JESUS, U will go against ur bible.e.g. if u say jesus was son of God,u r going against Matthew 12.40
So now u think that Paul created the Jesus of the bible?
What evidence do u present that conforms this?
See, the majority of the 2400 nt documents, pauls letters are not our oldest manuscripts. The gospels are attested over 65% of the manuscripted evidence.
The church fathers never claimd Paul was the sole leader of the first Christians. He was a leader of the faith as yet Peter, James, John, and many others were.
There, now go read it up and see who Muhammad really was. Find out the truth. About Safiyah, Aisha, Kinana, how he killed people, and did the most immoral and inhumane things.
@cycler7755 I have read them and Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367 says when muhammad(pbh) and his companion got to the city it was ALREADY RUINED. As for safifya you have not proven anything about her. as for isaq many scholars call him a liar because his so called hadiths are not authentic. I have already refuted your lies against jizya and i have already debunked the other verses. You have absolutly not proven anything and the only thing you have proven is your ignorance about Islam.
Muhammad and Safiyah: Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367 and surrounding Hadiths plus a lot more besides
Muhammad and Aisha: Sahih Muslim 8:3309 and Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298
For Muhammad torturing Kinana: Ibn Ishaq Page 515
For Muhammad violently attacking Pagans and ordering Christians and Jews to be attacked until they pay the Jizyah in submission: Qu'ran 8:39, Qu'ran 9:5, Qu'ran 9:29, also see Hadith Sahih Muslim 19: 4366
@milkydud Again.Lets not fall for the history (man made).Well,I am proud to say that I base my belief on the Words of God,not any historian (they even contradict themselves).
U knw What I said is right.U just cant take it.Cz all ur life U've learned a lie of paul,& it's hard for u to accept the truth which is even put in ur own bible.Even the early christians didnt blv what u blv. Sad,really Sad.Poor christian with no knowledge.U aint even an open minded person.total waste arguing with u.
@milkydud@milkydud LOL Lets look at Matthew 12: 38-40. If jesus is saying son of man will be alive on earth 3 days and 3 nights that would mean HE WAS NOT DEAD i.e. HE WAS NOT CRUCIFIED OR KILLED!
"Oh God why have you forsaken me"--Why woulda God or a son of God or a prophet say that? Clearly it wasnt JESUS on the cross! It was a man who was made look alike JESUS by GOD and he was NOT jesus. Jesus would say that.
@milkydud So idiotic. Muhammad PBUH did not INVENT or WRITE the quran. The verses were revealed to Him from God ALONE. And when the whole QURAN was revealed, it was the time for SOMEONE with autorisation to collect all the verses kept in different places IN ORDER and in CORRECT CHAPTER SEQUENCE.HADITHS are what the PROPHET SAID from his life and the teaching of Quran in difference CIRCUMSTANCES of our lives. U wanna talk about science in Quran?EXPLAIN: Embryology in Quran- Approved by Dr K Moore
@MrZP20 DUDE, TILL NOW YOU DID NOT GIVE ME A SINGLE EVIDENCE AGAINST QURAN OR ISLAM. NOT A SINGLE VERSE FROM THE QURAN. SO PLEASE GO GET A QURAN AND READ IT URSELF. USE UR OWN INTELLECTUAL (as u r a human) and then ASK QUESTIONS. And oh PLEASE PLEASE BE OPEN MINDED and STOP THROWING RANDOM QUESTIONS.YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING AND THATS WHY TO PROVE US WRONG YOU R JUST THROWING WHATEVER U R FINDING ON THE INTERNET AT US.W/OUT ANY EVIDENCE or JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER! this proves how weak u r inside!
enter it are in God's Kingdom. Muhammad imagined paradise of 72 virgins obbiously had different levels, perhaps at level 1 you get 100 virgins and 100 bottles of Crystal, so you can really get down and party LOL.
Oh man, exposing Islam for the falsehood it is and its invention by Muhammad really is too easy.
May Christ light the way for you, He is the truth the way and the light. Islam is a falsehood invented by Muhammad
@cycler7755 according to this verse ALL christians who believe in jesus as their safer and did good in jesus name and forbade evil in jesus name are going to HELL.."Many will say to me (Jesus) on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 7:22-23)" safe your prayers for yourself as you need it.
@ThePinkLei Read what you wrote please before you try to start using Biblical scripture out of the context. Jesus says that not EVERYONE who calls Him Lord will automatically inherit eternal life. That's obvious. You can't just call Jesus Lord and expect to automatically be saved. You have to accept the Holy Spirit, glorify Him, turn away from sin and keep His commandment of loving one another as best you can and spread the Gospel. You have to put Jesus first in your life
@cycler7755 That is not what the verses says.. you are just imaginning your wishful thinking. The verse is clear he said "MANY WILL SAY TO ME" he did not say "NOT EVERYONE".. Poor christian, stop adding things that are not in the verse.
@ThePinkLei Do you even know what the context is about? False believers. Jesus is saying that not those who automatically call Him Lord will be saved. That's obvious and I explained the reason to you below. How many 'many' means in the context is not made clear. It could be many - as in a dozen, or many as in a million. We don't know.
What we do know is that those who REJECT Christ as the Son are AntiChrists (1 John 2:22) and do not have the Father or the Son. That's you, ThePinkLei
@cycler7755 NO the text said christian who call him saviour, qho did miracles in his name and called upon jesus name in good times and bad times are going to HELL. The ONLY people on earth today who worship jesus, do good in his name, call on him in good times and bad times are CHRISTIANS. Therefore NONE of you are going to heaven.
@ThePinkLei What our Lord and Saviour does make explicitly clear is that all those who DENY Him as the Son - like you and most Muslims - will be denied by Him.
1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
@ThePinkLei And still no address from you on Muhammad and Safiyyah, Aisha, Zeynab, Kinana who he tortured at Khaybar, his assassinations, his violence towards others.
I guess these are facts you'd rather ignore and run from
@cycler7755 You havent even proven your claims against them, no verses, no chapters, you are just repeating lies after lies. Did you not notice iam posting bible texts that have both the verses and chapter numbers.
@milkydud Listen christian the Quran has not been CHANGED NOT A NUMBER, NOT A LETTER, NOT THE MESSAGE, NOT THE CONTEXT. Stop obessing over uthman his quran is the one we have today. You are a parrot who is lost and confused about your own faith therefore you want to pick on a quran that you failed for past two day to prove that it has been changed. P.s. did you see the verses i sent about the jesus cricifction lie. You should focus on that.
@MrZP20 I believe he did compose the Qu'ran. You believe the Qu'ran was revealed through an angel no one ever saw. What's more plausible, use your mind please.
The Qu'ran even has verses that people should leave Muhammad's house after dinner (Quran 33:55), and that Muhammad should be able to have sex with whichever woman he wants to (Qur'an 33:51) - whose word is that, of Allah, or that of Muhammad? Who does it serve. Think critically.
@ThePinkLei I already have. I used scripture to prove everything. These are facts, not opinions. Your just closing your eyes because you can't accept them as they expose Islam so badly.
@ThePinkLei Exactly brother. They have lost it. THey have shown how weak they are inside and trying to be so strong and confident on the outside. Every single aspect we put onto them, they were UNABLE to prove us wrong. In fact they were NOT brave enough to talk about those issues in the BIBLE. WEll done bro!
@MrZP20 Actually, if you scroll back through the comments I addressed the issue of the Caananites in the Old Testament. Please read what I wrote. I also recommend you look into Paul Copan so you understand the context in which it was written and the language used.
By attacking God's Law, you're attacking your own Allah because you believe he is the God of the Old Testament. That's the funny thing here. Osama Abdallah really is not too bright
@cycler7755 LOL so You saw that Jesus was crucified? You heared that Jesus told ppl to Worship him? U r biggest Loser I have ever seen. Honestly. U KNOW NOTHING. U base ur KNOWLEDGE on some ISLAMOPHOBIC HATERS websites. So pathetic. Honestly, U should know more about ur bible first mate. HAHA
@MrZP20 The Quran even has verses that a large part of the war booty taken should belong to 'Allah' - and guess who will take care of it for Allah? Muhammad. (Quran 8:41)
Muhammad even had Abdullah ibn Sarh executed on his return to Mecca as he realized that Muhammad had forged the Quran, because Abdullah said a verse and Muhammad said 'Yes, that's great, put it in the Qu'ran'. So Abdullah knew it was an invention & left Muhammad & went back to Mecca. Muhammad then told his followers to kill him
@cycler7755 The quran does not say the share of the booty belongs to Allah. Stop making stuff up. You have failed to prove that muhammad(pbh) is a tyrant just like your evil warmongering baby murdering god was.
@cycler7755 And this was your gods war booty.." And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two girls"
@cycler7755 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)
Whatever happen to jesus says to love , but in this verse he is telling you christians to HATE your loved ones even YOURSELVES.
@ThePinkLei Quote me another hundred out of context verses from Osama Abdallah's Answering Christianity. Come on, let's hear them all. Being a robot is all you seem to be good at.
Either answer Muhammad and Safiyah, Aisha and his murders or stop bothering me
@cycler7755 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (Revelations 2:23)
It seems his favourite people to kill most are women and children.
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.'
"Look, O LORD, and consider: Whom have you ever treated like this? Should women eat their offspring, the children they have cared for? Should priest and prophet be killed in the sanctuary of the Lord?
Watch "The Divine Book" by noreagaaa - wake up project!
Blasfamy3N1 1 month ago
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jeremiah 10
Blasfamy3N1 1 month ago
Jesus said: (John 14:26) But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
annazakiya 1 month ago
@annazakiya The "Holy Ghost" is angel Gabriel...compare Matt.1:18 to Luke1:26-27. Christians not only worship Jesus the Prophet as God but also the angel Gabriel as well...Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
Blasfamy3N1 1 month ago
@Blasfamy3N1 Gabriel was a messenger angel who told Mary she was to conceive through the Holy Spirit, that's exactly what those passages you gave are saying. Luke 1:35 "The angel answered 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you'..." I can't see how you can think that means Gabriel IS the Holy Spirit.
Muslims reading this you can read scripture for yourself at blueletterbible or arabbible
annazakiya 1 month ago
Respond to this video... (contd) Also Muhammad denied the entire subject of the gospel so it is impossible that Muhammad and Jesus can be part of the same divine plan (unless Yahweh made a mistake, but he can't have as we all agree he is perfect and all-powerful).
annazakiya 1 month ago
Jesus said: (John 10:30) I and [my] Father are one.
annazakiya 1 month ago
Btw Jesus never told us or anyone to follow Muhammad. If you read John 14, 15,and 16 you'll see he clearly shows who the comforter is, and it's not Muhammad. Plus Jesus promised that the comforter, the Spirit of truth would be "IN" the disciples!! How can Muhammad be the comforter if he came 600years after all of Jesus disciples died? Doesn't make sense. Read John 14:17 and John 15:26 VERY! carefully.
jonathanfater 2 months ago
You and everybody here needs Jesus, there is none but Jesus who can save you from the wrath of God against you because of your sins. The penalty of Sin is death! Jesus died and took on God's wrath that was intended for you, so that when you die you might have eternal life rather than eternal condemnation. Muhammad was used by Satan to deceive people, all muslim leaders are used by Satan to lead people astray. Jesus is the truth and the only way to God the Father!
watch?v=gL-OI1ZnkA4
Repent!
jonathanfater 2 months ago
MAy God guide you to the truth...
airus1001 2 months ago
@SpanishDomodeath Google "mithra 25th december" and enjoy reading.
mindctrl 2 months ago
I challenge you, reader to prove that Mythra was born on December 25th.
SpanishDomodeath 2 months ago
the holiday revolves around shopping and santa claus created by coca-cola, not jesus.
AlirazaTRAVEL 2 months ago
The Religions of the world will be the mythology of the future.
RafaelDeLaCastilla 2 months ago
Oh you cleared a lot of points for me as a muslim how to take christmas towards cgristans thankyou
cancarian1430 2 months ago
ALHUMDULILAH LUVED IT!
baberthebeast 2 months ago
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ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
a question from a brother of mankind who loves Islam and love the idea about Islam, but have some "humps" to the deen.. If Allah subhana wa´tala is so perfect, why would he be in writing language? I understand the hole Quran and that´s also a reason for not belive in that it should be the word of the source we call God (or Allah).. I´m not trying to affende anyone, just seeking the truth. Sorry my English
YONATOOTH 2 months ago
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ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
@YONATOOTH Dear Brother kindly ask your question again, i could not understand what answer you are seeking!
ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
@ZERDAHK786 if God is all these 99 attributes (and some may claim more), why would God reveale himself in a written language? Language is manmade and so flawfull to our understanding, so why would God use this method to speak to us? I know muslim belive that we are born with faith and knowing, but why wouldent he then just reveale himself in the hearts or (god knows best) something else wich is more flawless? peace be to you
YONATOOTH 2 months ago
@YONATOOTH GOD is revealed in every righteous heart. We humans are not angles nor jinns, we have a flesh we eat and drink we urinate, our brain and body does not work like those of a higher level e.g. angels. therefore God has revealed to us prophets to proclaim God's messages to humankind. God has sent all the prophets on earth to humankind from Adam a.s till Muhammad pbuh untill the message is preserved. the only preserved message on earth today is the Holy Quran.
ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
@YONATOOTH God is close to you also, if it wasn't God you would not be asking or seeking questions, answers and knowledge. perhaps you need to understand the purpose of life as a whole.
ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
@YONATOOTH Sorry for the late replies brother, i am at office and its busy here. here is a good website to seek more knowledge and answers too and you can also chat with the site supervisors and share your views with other people there.
islamreligion).com without brackets
ZERDAHK786 2 months ago
peace be upon you too. Allah didnt reveal Himself in a written language. The Holy Qur-an isnt created. It is the direct speech of Allah to humankind and jinkind. Muhammad , Allah's Messenger, didnt leave any book behind him. He didnt write any book.But he carved the Qur-an into the Hearts of 1200 men and women.By the time of his death 1200 people memorized The Qur-an by heart already. It was only after many Quran memorizers had died that Quran was compiled as a book as not to lose the Message.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 That makes good sense. Can you link or guide me to somewhere specific where i can read more about these 1200 men and women?
YONATOOTH 2 months ago
@YONATOOTH Hi again.I do apologise. was 120 not 1200. Maybe i felt overly proud in saying that. But the truth is there were lots of companions , if not 1200, :), who had already mem/zed the whole Quran by death of Prophet SAW. Imagine even 120, it is miraculous, for there is not a single book on the face of earth throughout history, except for Quran, which s'been memorized.Quran's first copy is similar to the one that we got now Here's link of 120 men/women. sunnah.org/history/memorizers.htm
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 "The Holy Qur-an isnt created" O_o really, well if this is true why is it that there have been like about over 200 verses in the Qur'an that have been abrogated?
According to Islam there is none that can change the words or decrees of Allah, yet there also the doctrine of abrogation in Islam, WTH lol can't you see how illogical and inconsistent your religion is?
jonathanfater 2 months ago
If u just give me reference for your source which says about 200 verses of Quran being abrogated.I'll again stress that Quran isnt created. It is direct speech of Allaah. Just open the first page of Quran n u'll see style,content, and tone of language. It d be surprising that Our prophet (PBUH) d command himself with his own words and say it is from Allaah. and keep fooling his companions for 23 years. Human is to err. If Quran wasnt from Allah,within 23 years,all would have been exposed.Peace
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 Sources eh? Have you heard of the Hadiths? and Al-tabari? Here one of them that I've remembered. Surah 53 19:20 "Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-Uzza
and Manāt, the third, the other? These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for"
You read this verse in your Qur'an now and it's not the same.
But as for others, check out the following video.. watch?v=91AM7665cbo
jonathanfater 2 months ago
One has to be mentally sick to accept this hadith.The Chain, narrative, narrators, transmission route of ur hadith is totally fake and fabricated.it is totally inconsistent with Our Prophet's life and message he was delivering to be accepted.Plus contextual flow of verse 53 doesnt allow at all the inclusion of such verses. Arabs never described their gods as 'al gharaniq'. Neither in poetry nor in their speeches or traditions can u find their gods or goddesses to be described with such terms.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 How can you say one has to be mentally sick to accept, well The Hadiths? And don't say "ur" hadiths cuz there is no such thing as a false hadith, those guys in the video were using muslims OWN sources. So you see the Qur'an is not uncreated and is not perfect nor from the God of Abraham. What God do you worship?
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airus1001 2 months ago
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That is where the fallacy lies. U see, even in our own Sources we got fake ,fabricated,weak,strong n authentic hadiths.Unless hadith is strong or authenntic, there is no way we accept any part of it. The hadith u quote from Tabarani has no authenticity n is in the list of fabricated hadiths. Quran IS uncreated, perfect,is from God(I can prove,God willing),And Allaah is the same God which Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon all of them) would fall down in prostration in front of.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 OK, but even in the strong authentic Muslim sources like Sahih al-Bukhari, and Sahih Muslim, they still show that there have been abrogations.
Now go ahead proved to me that this God of yours is the same as the God of Abraham and all the other prophets that came after him.
jonathanfater 2 months ago
Wow!!! That is amazing. You know all the Hadith books?! Well done, then the question is why are you not Muslim yet? :)) Anyway, the point is , none of these 2 books say anything about abrogation in Quran. Because it wasnt abrogated. Show me the number of hadith which says that.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 The Qur'an itself shows the whole issue of abrogation (Surah 2:106) Big problem with this verse, do you see it?
Sahih Muslim Book 003, Number 0675. But anyways, why am I not a Muslim yet, well because I choose to believe in Jesus and believe all his teachings and all the things He claimed about himself. That's why. :)
jonathanfater 2 months ago
If u r utterly sincere in ur saying that u chose to believe n FULFILL ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS(Matthew 5:19), then why is it that u: don't submit urself to the Will of God like Muslims(Muslim is one who submits his will to the will of God) and Jesus did(Matthew 7:21:John 5:30) dont pray n prostrate to ONE GOD ONLY AS jESUS DID(Matthew 26:36-39) deny Jesus's prophecy of another prophet from Allah(John 14:16;16:17) are not circumcised as Jesus was(Luke 2:21) dont keep beard as Jesus did(Isaiah 50:6)
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 I do submit to the Will of God, I know what the will of God is, and it has nothing to do with what position you pray nor how one looks on the outside. Jesus said "This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." To believe is also to obey, Jesus said "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." I don't have to believe in Muhammad cuz Jesus said he was to way to Heaven. Qur'an contradicts Jesus teachings.
jonathanfater 2 months ago
John(16:7-12)Nevertheless I tell u the truth;It is expedient for u that I go away:for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto u; but if I depart, I will sent him unto u.And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment I have yet many things to say unto u, but ye cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.
airus1001 2 months ago
He is Muhammad.Thats why u have to believe in Him too.Anyway tmain dif/nce btw christians and Muslims is only that u consider Jesus son of God(acc to Bible(psalms 2:7)Prophet David was also begotten son of God) and we, muslims consider him one of the mightiest Messengers of God who was conceived miraculously. U claim Jesus is God, and U claim Jesus is Son of God. Just respond sincerely. Is it not absurd? how can one have a peace in heart.?Hard even to get who Jesus is from the Bibles.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 The Comforter is the Holy Spirit. It lives inside of Jesus' true followers and it comforts, guides and teaches us, speaks to us through the spirit.
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airus1001 1 month ago
@airus1001 The Holy Spirit, Jesus and Yahweh are one, yet distinct. The Holy Spirit is Jesus' spirit that lives inside the believer, hence referring to "it" as He. The Holy Spirit DOES speak - we are talking about the spiritual realm so it doesn't mean "speak" as in our fleshly way. The Holy Spirit speaks to me through dreams, movements inside my soul, an inner voice, an inner feeling, and yes occasionally and audible voice inside my head.
annazakiya 1 month ago
@annazakiya christian never occurs in bible. Islam is in qur'an
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@islamictvdotcom Yes, you are right. Jesus never came to establish a "religion". There are many people in the world today that call themselves "Christian" - they attend church, worship the Bible and love Christmas. Such people are very religious but that's NOT what Jesus came for. He came so that we could receive the gift of His Holy Spirit. Through Jesus we are able to have a two-way personal relationship with our Creator.
You don't find Him in any building or book, look INSIDE to find Him.
annazakiya 1 month ago
@annazakiya Jesus said it would be this way - that people would do all these things in His name and on judgement day He would say "Go away I never KNEW you".
annazakiya 1 month ago
How can god come out of his creation?
Jesus is a man and he came out of a woman, their both humans. God is the creator not part of creation. A woman cannot give birth to God.
onecreator1 1 month ago
@onecreator1 Do you believe God is all powerful and can do anything?
annazakiya 1 month ago
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i guess now youre going to make the argument that if we believe God can do anything we MUST believe He is capable of having a son. let me tell you why this logic is flawed: God can do anything, at all, anything at all we can think of?? :
Can He sin?
Can He have intercourse with a woman?
Can He make mistakes?
the answer is NO
ILoveIslamInCanada 1 month ago
@ILoveIslamInCanada No I wasn't going to make that argument.
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airus1001 1 month ago
Jesus never said "WORSHIP ME".
If Jesus was GOD,
1.then why in John 20:17 did Jesus say, "I ascend to my God and your God?
2. then why in John 8:28 did Jesus say, "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
3. then why in John 14:28 did Jesus say, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?
4. then why in Luke 23:46 did Jesus say, "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?
5. then why in Matthew 19:16 did Jesus say, "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
airus1001 2 months ago
ON THE CONTRARY HE PROPHESIZED THAT ""But in vain they do worship me teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9). " on top of that he prayed to God: (Mark 1:35) Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed. Dawn prayer early in the morning is one of the 5 daily prayer's in Muslim' life.
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 Yep Jesus didn't say he was God or worship me, but he did revealed himself to be The Son of God. David was known as the son of God in a metaphorical sense, he was also know as the 1st born, But he wasn't actually the 1st born in his family.
Jesus on the other hand is the true unique Son of God, the word "monogenes" in John 3:16 means "only legitimate, single, unique, etc..As for how Jesus is the Son of God and God, well 1st off you need to realize that the word God, cont..
jonathanfater 2 months ago
Cont.. The word God is a title not a name, the title "God" is even given to him by his Own Father(Father God the one true God) to Jesus, read Hebrews 1:8-11. As the Son of a Divine being, the Son is also divine.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, do you believe him? Jesus claimed to be the only way to heaven, do you believe him? Jesus even predicted his death on the cross, do you deny Jesus died on the cross? You claim to believe in Jesus but you love to call him a liar!
jonathanfater 2 months ago
Well, as for ur accusations, they r baseless.We muslims have the highest respect for Jesus as Messenger of Allaah. We never downgrade or speak ill of him pbuh. That is a grave sin in Islam. I dont have to deny them, bible,ur own book denies.Anyway Bible is self contradictory.N u say Bible is from God(full of contradictions cant be from God 100%)Bible says, seek truth n it will free you. But u r turning blind eye to the truth. Eyes r not blind, but the hearts...
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 Well then answer the questions, do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? Do you believe he laid down his life just like he said he would? Do you believe he is The Word of God? the Messiah?
Contradictions eh? I chatted with many muslims before and I'd showed them that the Bible actually doesn't have contradictions. Check out my "Videos about the Bible" playlist if your interested. I say the Bible is from God? so does the Qur'an! Sura 2:87, 4:163, & Sura 5:46
jonathanfater 2 months ago
repeat ur question to urself . It doesn't make sense.How can God have a son.Exalted is He from such blasphemy!Him Our minds are so limited to comprehend!He doesn't beget,nor was he begotten,theres NOONE LIKE HIM.do u really think God is smb like a Human?to beget?Try u can't imagine Him.Human intellect is so limited. As 4 ur q.tions,No,Jesus is just a mesengerof ]God,as He confirms in Bible.He was His son in a sense that He was Godly, pious person.Like other sons of God(There r tens in Bible).
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 Yahweh expects a certain amount of intelligence from us. He manifested himself in the form of a human (Jesus) but Yahweh is also Jesus' father as He and only He made Mary pregnant. You believe Mary conceived immaculately, therefore Jesus had no human father, so who would you say is Jesus' father?
annazakiya 1 month ago
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@annazakiya He Who created Adam without a father or a mother is able to create Jesus, as well, without a father. If u claim that Jesus is God's son because he was created without a father, then the same claim befits Adam even more. However, since such a claim regarding Adam is obviously false, then making the same claim about Jesus (pbuh) is even more false. Read Quran, chapter Mary. quran,com/19
airus1001 1 month ago
Cont.d He was never crucified.I do believe He is the WordofGod,Which God inspired in Mary pbuh womb.also do believe He is The messiah.As a muslim u dont have to reject His pbuh being messiah.As in Quran, no messenger came to abolish any law of Allaah. all came to confirm what was sent be4 that Your God is Only One God,No sons or partners.So Worship Him only.Similarly,Jesus pbuh came to confirm Torah,when it's changed by human hand,n Muhammad pbuh came to confirm Gospel,after it's changed by men
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 Well you and the Qur'an is wrong, Jesus was crucified, even secular historical documents shows this. Your Qur'an contradicts historical facts. This is why I can't accept it as true. Muhammad did not come to confirm the gospel after it was changed, that is a flat lie, plus do you see the irony here? There are none who can change the words or decrees of God, even your own Qur'an says so. The gospel were never tampered with. A lie that comes straight from the Father of Lies.
jonathanfater 2 months ago
If u really believe Bible has no contradictions, then read what your own scholar Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, had to say:
“Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this.Those books have passed through the minds of men,are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men.It is Human,Yet Divine,”
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 You believe Jesus is the Messiah? O_o you do know that the word Messiah = "One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator." Jesus is exactly just that, he is the savior to all those who believe in him for salvation. Jesus himself said with his own words what's said in John 14:6.
Muhammad is a false prophet used by Satan to distort to true view of Jesus. Muhammad right now is in Hell! Take a look at this video.
watch?v=gL-OI1ZnkA4
jonathanfater 2 months ago
"But they got no knowledge therein.They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth." Quran. we'll yet see who is in Hell.
Song of Solomon 5:16:"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo MUHAMMADIM Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." iF u DON'T follow Muhammad,then ur destiny is in Hell. Coz its in ur own book in front of u name Muhammad! What proof else do you need. Jesus is telling u to follow Him .Anyway, As Quran says:They are deaf,dumb, and blind.They wont return. cont...
airus1001 2 months ago
They are deaf, dumb and blind. They wont return.
“God's set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, n on their eyes is a veil;great is the penalty...
airus1001 2 months ago
@airus1001 God doesn't need to guide me to the truth, Jesus IS the truth. He himself said it. All the words Jesus spoke are the very words of God. (John 12:49)
Your rejecting God, none may come to God but through Jesus, (John 14:6) Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Also I don't need to follow or believe in Muhammad, he is not a prophet. Sura 29:27 disqualifies Muhammad to be a prophet since Muhammad does not come from the seed of Isaac or Jacob. Cased closed!
jonathanfater 2 months ago
Anyway, InshaAllah if one fine day if you become a Muslim, don't forget to get in touch. I'll keep my account, Inshalllah, until u r a Muslim. :))))
airus1001 2 months ago
@jonathanfater I am really amazed by your knowledge of Quran, yet not Muslim yet :))). Well done!!! it is worth praising your effort, that u really seek for truth. Go on and May Allah bless u with prosperity, peace and guidance.
airus1001 2 months ago
@jonathanfater Probably also because you choose a God of love over a God of murder and rape.
annazakiya 1 month ago
So you believe Jesus is a prophet as Muslims believe? Allaah (God) sent messengers with ONE message ONLY! To worship Him (Not the prophets. Doesn't it make any sense?). But people who followed their desires changed the message. Then Allaah would send another Messenger to CONFIRM WHAT WAS SENT BEFORE, not to give new laws. (Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.)
airus1001 2 months ago
@jonathanfater No prophet has ever come to abolish the law, but to fulfill them, like Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad. They were sen t only to put people to the straight Path, To worship One God ONLY. And that is what exactly Muslims do-worship One God.
airus1001 2 months ago
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@cycler7755 LOL. All you have is repeating your lies the verse does mentions quite clearly that khaybar was already destroyed when muhammad(pbh) and his companion reached the city secondly the verse does not mention how many jews were killed or if any jews were killed. The best thing you did was post the verse and anyone with intelligence and is looking for the truth will be able to read it for themselves and find out that you have lied about the so called 900 jews. Joke is on you.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
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ThePinkLei 2 months ago
what's not to like in this video, really...?
th etruth...?
the truth makes unjust arrogant ppl angry, yes.
BelmaF 2 months ago
have a piece of mind and give it some thoughts, Islam is the simple rigid and the last truth that is revealed to mankind, your Christmas is a pagan idea, thinking about Jesus pbuh birthday is just out of the question, Jesus pbuh birthday is unknown to the whole world,stupid chinese as American says knows more about Islam than you people who have more organized education in your countries. this is how they say christmas, Sintau Failuk, make sense? santa festival??? not a joke ask any chinese.
zerdahk 2 months ago
interesting how personal attacks (naturally not grounded, mildly said), are obligatory for certain ppl 2 turn to, when they have no answers and are trying to escape admitting it...
sad.
BelmaF 2 months ago
pinky pinky... may Allah guide you to the Light out of your darknesses
BelmaF 2 months ago
@BelmaF Alhamdulilah, Allah has already born me into the TRUTH.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
Jesus was not an arrogant, oblivious prophet. He was a good man preaching truth and honesty. If he saw what the world has come to-worshipping him instead of God who CREATED HIM-he would be ashamed. in fact, im sure he is ashamed. If i want to repent for my sins i ask ALLAH for help and forgiveness because he is the one who created me. why is this hard to understand?
ILoveIslamInCanada 2 months ago
by the way, the HIJAB IS IN THE TAURAT AND THE BIBLE (INJIL). theVirgin Mary covered her head-im sick of everyone saying Muslim women are oppressed when the Mother of Jesus herself covered her head and ornaments out of respect.
ILoveIslamInCanada 2 months ago
Brothers and sisters and cousins...we are more alike than you believe. It is not like being Muslim means that we invented a new God or a new way to worship or something...on the contrary, the Qur'an calls us to return to the religion of Abraham (Ibrahim)...essentially the Qur'an calls us to worship as original Jews worship....stop hatin' yall.
ILoveIslamInCanada 2 months ago
Real Jesus of the Bible is not the same Jesus of the Quran. They are totally different people. Jesus of the Quran is an imagination of Muhammad who made up stories from what he heard about Jesus at his time from the arab merchandises who used to travel to christian nations. So keep all your imagination to yourself. Jesus is the Lord and the Savior of the mankind and guess what He is still alive!
alimir84 2 months ago
Santa Claus isn't in the Bible. All Christians know about this. He is not the reason we Christians celebrate Christmas. Christmas is not about the date, Santa or even about anything else than celebrating Jesus Christ's birth into this world who came as a ransom for the sins of the mankind who accepts him as a Savior. "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."John 1:14
alimir84 2 months ago
Salam aleykoum, thank you brother for a brilliant lecture.
Christians rage way to much for a clip posted to help us understand the history regarding Christmas,Santaclaus and the Christmas tree's orgin.
Dear Christians, try to lay down with the name-calling and the insults kindly, and lets all agree to post peacefull comments free of hatred.
Waleykoum salam.
Palestinier4LIFE 2 months ago
Jesus never commanded anyone to worship him. We follow the ways of the prophets-we do not worship Jesus pbuh because he said not to.....we do this out of respect for the oneness of Allah swt (God) and nothing else. I was condemned to hell by a Christian the other day because apparently i "dont believe in Jesus unless I believe he was God" so i told him i would be happy in hell if thats what worshipping only Allah meant. I am a Muslim convert and I made the best decision of my life by converting
ILoveIslamInCanada 2 months ago
@ILoveIslamInCanada Masha Allah, mabrook.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
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@cycler7755 Oh God. U have not presented any evidence.
Mate..300-400 people are becoming MUSLIMS everyday in the WEST! WHY ARENT THEY BECOMING AGNOSTIC?? WHY ISLAM?? THEY R ALL FOOLS?? The scientists, Doctors, Christian scholars, baptists, ministers ...THEY ARE ALL FOOL TO U?
OR YOU ARE AN IGNORANT CHILD?
ASK URSELF
I END IT HERE!
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20
I never said Muhammad created quran. I implied he was a man and u believe in his words.
Also, I never knew God was the one who squeezed muhammah 3 times telling him to recite, I thought according to quran that was Gabriel who presented the quran to muhammad.
First u say uthman edited quran, yet the uthman codex is incomplete and has non traditional aya structure.
Read the manuscript yourself.
We can talk science. Just show me where in any quranic commentary that Dr moore was right.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud The only thing uthman changed is the dialect of the language that was written in it NOT THE MESSAGE AND NOT THE CONTEXT. The two of you are pulling nonesense out of thin air because you cant prove anything else about the quran or muhammad.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei
I have no problem answering your questions about Psalm 91
BUT you and only you dodge mine.
Could you please tell me, ACCORDING TO THE UTHMAN CODEX, What are the first and last Surahs/Ayas?
I will respond to your issues with Psalms 91 in a PM to save time and space.
Might I add, Rabbi Pinchas Lapide, A Jewish Orthodox Rabbi and one of the FEW New Testament Scholars, wrote a book about Jesus DEATH... The Resurrection of Jesus: A Jewish Perspective. Please buy and read it.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud Why does the uthman codex matter, we do not care, ask me something that applies to us TODAY. Iam not dodging your questions but it seems when you christians cannot prove something you hang on to something else from the past that we have no interest in. Ask me about the Quran today. As for the rabbis i dont care for them, the verses that i have posed to you said jesus was NEVER crucified YOUR own god is saying this, and yet your advicing me to read what some rabbis said about it.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei You just have no truth in you. You can't answer any of the statements, you run away and then just copy-paste what you heard from Osama Aballah, who is to unintelligent to realize that by criticizing the God of the OT he is actually criticizing his own Allah as he believes the Qu'ran's Allah is the God of the OT. The irony!
I know Muslims like you - you're the ones that can't address any of the statements, so you run and hide or go into copy paste mode because you're too afraid of
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 Says the dude who couldnt provid one shred of evidence of your lies and accusations against Islam and Muhamd(pbh). I have provided VERSES AND CHAPTERS so you can look it up yourself if you have the bibles at home which i highly doubt you dont and it is clear that you dont since you accuse me of copying and pasting. You have last terribly just give up and move on. I proved about the hadith chpters you posted talks about NONE OF the things YOU ACCUSED OF muhammad(pbh) iam done with you
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei I quoted Qu'ran, Hadith and Seerah. Gave you Surah for the Qu'ran, Hadiths for Bukhari and Muslim, and page number for the Seerah. You couldn't address it, didn't even try.
You just went quiet and then went into copy paste mode off Abdallah's site, a man who is too naive to realize that by making fun of the Biblical God he's actually making fun of his own Allah as he claims the two are the same.
I like having discussions with honest, truthful Muslims, who can have a dialogue and
cycler7755 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei if there is a fact, realize it as such. But you're not in that category. Many are, you are not.
Why you want to talk to people in the first place I don't know. You're just someone who likes trolling and wastes people's time. You don't even know Islam, and you don't know the real Muhammad - I can guarantee you've never even read the full Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim and the most important Seerah, Sirat Rasoul Allah by Ibn Ishaq. You're ignorant on Islam, a troll
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 I have EVERY RIGHT to defend my faith when ignorants like you make wild accusations against my beloved prophet(pbh) and Islam. rest assured i will defend it and i will proof uneducated like you for the liars you are. If you cant handle us proving you wrong than do not lie about Islam and we will gladly leave you alone. It is CLEAR that I know Islam after refuting all of your lies, and also its clear that you dont b/c you are stuck on ibn ishaq whos hadiths are not AUTHENTIC.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei having an actual dialogue. Some Muslims are honest and can at least talk properly and look at the facts - and see how Muhammad composed the Qu'ran, how he was a warlord, how the Qu'ran makes TONS of mistakes on all sorts of subjects, how well known fabricated stories about Jesus such as him giving life to a bird of clay which are then found word for word in the Qu'ran, and it just goes on and on.
May the Holy Spirit guide you by helping to give you an open mind and critical thinking
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 The holy spirit does not exist. Move on little man.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@milkydud Well. Gabriel came and asked Muhammad PBUH to READ (IQRA), and Muhammad PBUH said "I CANT READ". However, Prophet Muhammad PBUH recited the words the Angel Gabriel told Muhammad PBUH that he brought from Allah.
U wanna talk science. Alright. Read Dr Keith Moore's comments on Embryology and Quran. It is the first step for you :)
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 Those are not Keith Moore's comments. Those are the comments a Muslim made about Keith Moore's work. Stop lying. Here, watch Islam and its claim of Embryology get totally exposed:watch?v=DZXocJbjDpI&feature=channel_video_title
cycler7755 2 months ago
@MrZP20
I sent you a video that EXPLAINED THIS IN THE DEBATE BETWEEN DEEDAT AND JOHN MCDOWEL
WATCH THAT VIDEO FOR THE ANSWER TO YOUR Matthew 12: 38-40 QUESTION.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud i watched that LONG time ago.Here Mcdowel wins,in other places,other christian scholars LOSE!.its a debate.Any one can win.Like in court of law,the criminal sometimes win the CASE..even though he committed the crime..he still remains a criminal!
Anyway..thanks for ur effort though. U cant convince me and not even those who are becoming muslims everyday...about 300-400 people in the west! Mostly christians as well! tut tut :)
Gd luck with ur efforts. U r inviting more ppl to islam:)
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 " אֵלִי אֵלִי, לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִי; רָחוֹק מִישׁוּעָתִי, דִּבְרֵי שַׁאֲגָתִי.?",
Jesus is quoting Psalm 22.
This is important to understand, because Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion. The rejection of the Jesus, (v.6), the insults they hurled at Him (vv.7-8 – compare with Matt.27:38-43), the pain of the crucifixion (vv.14-15), the piercing of His hands and feet (v.16), the dividing up of His clothing by lot (v.18) are just some of the more obvious parallels.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud Jesus was NOT crucified according to these bible verses.. (Psalm 91:15), (Psalm 91:3). (Psalm 91:4). (Psalm 91:5). (Psalm 91:8).
No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10....this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion). (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment. His call will be HEARD Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@MrZP20
I am glad that you saw that debate. I am sorry that you forgot how MCDOWELL explained why the *3 days and 3 night* responce to Deedat.
Please, go back, look and listen to his answer.
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I am not trying to convince you of anything. I can of my self not do that, All I am to do is express the TRUTH of the Bible, OT - NT.
The Holy Spirit controls the believer who yields to God and submits himself to God’s Word.
Romans 12: 1,2; Ephesians 5:18; Colossians 3:16 Galatians 5:16, 22, 23
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud There is no truth in a book that has been changed by MAN over and over again. If you were to read all the bibles you will find that not one agrees with the other. These bibles cant even agree as to whether your god was crufified or not.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 i urge you to talk with evidence. put up some verses from quran with ur claims. And lets talk about it. stop screaming like a cat :)
And lets agree on one thing. Who was jesus? Son of god or God?o r son of man? or a prophet? I know 4 different priests with 4 different belief. What religion is this, where they are UNSURE of who the God is? LOOL ;..BECAUSE WHATEVER U CHOOSE TO DESCRIBE JESUS, U will go against ur bible.e.g. if u say jesus was son of God,u r going against Matthew 12.40
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20
So now u think that Paul created the Jesus of the bible?
What evidence do u present that conforms this?
See, the majority of the 2400 nt documents, pauls letters are not our oldest manuscripts. The gospels are attested over 65% of the manuscripted evidence.
The church fathers never claimd Paul was the sole leader of the first Christians. He was a leader of the faith as yet Peter, James, John, and many others were.
milkydud 2 months ago
There, now go read it up and see who Muhammad really was. Find out the truth. About Safiyah, Aisha, Kinana, how he killed people, and did the most immoral and inhumane things.
It's late where I live and I'm going to bed now
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 I have read them and Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367 says when muhammad(pbh) and his companion got to the city it was ALREADY RUINED. As for safifya you have not proven anything about her. as for isaq many scholars call him a liar because his so called hadiths are not authentic. I have already refuted your lies against jizya and i have already debunked the other verses. You have absolutly not proven anything and the only thing you have proven is your ignorance about Islam.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
Muhammad and Safiyah: Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367 and surrounding Hadiths plus a lot more besides
Muhammad and Aisha: Sahih Muslim 8:3309 and Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298
For Muhammad torturing Kinana: Ibn Ishaq Page 515
For Muhammad violently attacking Pagans and ordering Christians and Jews to be attacked until they pay the Jizyah in submission: Qu'ran 8:39, Qu'ran 9:5, Qu'ran 9:29, also see Hadith Sahih Muslim 19: 4366
cycler7755 2 months ago
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ThePinkLei 2 months ago
It is funny because they never even said what Christmas means from the catholicism history.
Christmas is the Mas of Christ.
A Mas is a festival of food/gifts.
We Christians know the early church fathers celebrated Jesus bday TRADITIONALLY Jan 6 or Dec 25.
Truthfully, we know he was born in either November or September due to Lukes gospel and weather patterns.
Is the date is insignificant?
Yes.
Why 12/25?
As Jews ordained in history passover feast, the Christian also with Christmas.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud thats the problem Dude. Which one do i take as most correct version? Catholics, protestants, orthodox? and the list goes on :)
HISTORICAL evidence is greater or the word of GOD? :)
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20
What do u mean whitch do I take as the more correct version?
THEY ALL HAVE AND AGREE ON THE SAME HISTORY.
PLEASE, DON'T TRY TO PLAY THE *ISLAM IS UNIFIED UNLIKE Christian* roll because there are more than just suni and Shiite Muslims.
All I ask is for u to see understand some Jewish history about the most documented person of ancient history.
Now, the bible makes it clear God redeemed his people ie ex 20:1 and we should not forget who drew us from bondage. We celebrate via feast.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud Again.Lets not fall for the history (man made).Well,I am proud to say that I base my belief on the Words of God,not any historian (they even contradict themselves).
U knw What I said is right.U just cant take it.Cz all ur life U've learned a lie of paul,& it's hard for u to accept the truth which is even put in ur own bible.Even the early christians didnt blv what u blv. Sad,really Sad.Poor christian with no knowledge.U aint even an open minded person.total waste arguing with u.
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20
" the early christians didnt blv what u blv."
Witch ones claimed Jesus did not die on the cross at the hands of pilate?
There is No... I repeat, no eviedence from any 1st century document or any historical evidence that said Jesus didn't die on the cross.
If u have some evidence that disproves Jesus didn't die on the cross, from the 1st century, please present it.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud @milkydud LOL Lets look at Matthew 12: 38-40. If jesus is saying son of man will be alive on earth 3 days and 3 nights that would mean HE WAS NOT DEAD i.e. HE WAS NOT CRUCIFIED OR KILLED!
"Oh God why have you forsaken me"--Why woulda God or a son of God or a prophet say that? Clearly it wasnt JESUS on the cross! It was a man who was made look alike JESUS by GOD and he was NOT jesus. Jesus would say that.
Read this: why-christians-convert-to-islam. com/WHATHAPPENEDTOJESUSINISLAM.htm
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20
Wow, u believe in the word of man/men because Muhammad was a man and u believe he revived a book that was edited by men Like uthman.
You are a scientist that believes the quran has science yet no ancient quranic commentary reflects that notion.
You ask a non Muslim to ask a immam to explain the meaning of quran & u ignore that the word of the immam r the word of man.
I contest that the word of man says the word of God has been passed down threw time via many historical documents.
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud So idiotic. Muhammad PBUH did not INVENT or WRITE the quran. The verses were revealed to Him from God ALONE. And when the whole QURAN was revealed, it was the time for SOMEONE with autorisation to collect all the verses kept in different places IN ORDER and in CORRECT CHAPTER SEQUENCE.HADITHS are what the PROPHET SAID from his life and the teaching of Quran in difference CIRCUMSTANCES of our lives. U wanna talk about science in Quran?EXPLAIN: Embryology in Quran- Approved by Dr K Moore
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 DUDE, TILL NOW YOU DID NOT GIVE ME A SINGLE EVIDENCE AGAINST QURAN OR ISLAM. NOT A SINGLE VERSE FROM THE QURAN. SO PLEASE GO GET A QURAN AND READ IT URSELF. USE UR OWN INTELLECTUAL (as u r a human) and then ASK QUESTIONS. And oh PLEASE PLEASE BE OPEN MINDED and STOP THROWING RANDOM QUESTIONS.YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING AND THATS WHY TO PROVE US WRONG YOU R JUST THROWING WHATEVER U R FINDING ON THE INTERNET AT US.W/OUT ANY EVIDENCE or JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER! this proves how weak u r inside!
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 Here you go - Quran and Embryologoy completely debunked: watch?v=DZXocJbjDpI&feature=channel_video_title
cycler7755 2 months ago
@MrZP20
I have read Dr Moore and his comments on embrology.
Could u show me where in a tafsir/commentary that agrees with his notion.
All I am asking for is evidence from a commentary that was in uses pre Dr Moore.
I have yet too see any quranic commentary that shares a similar view of embrology.
Show me the words of a companion of Muhammad that understood embryonic science as in the quran.
milkydud 2 months ago
enter it are in God's Kingdom. Muhammad imagined paradise of 72 virgins obbiously had different levels, perhaps at level 1 you get 100 virgins and 100 bottles of Crystal, so you can really get down and party LOL.
Oh man, exposing Islam for the falsehood it is and its invention by Muhammad really is too easy.
May Christ light the way for you, He is the truth the way and the light. Islam is a falsehood invented by Muhammad
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 according to this verse ALL christians who believe in jesus as their safer and did good in jesus name and forbade evil in jesus name are going to HELL.."Many will say to me (Jesus) on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 7:22-23)" safe your prayers for yourself as you need it.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei Read what you wrote please before you try to start using Biblical scripture out of the context. Jesus says that not EVERYONE who calls Him Lord will automatically inherit eternal life. That's obvious. You can't just call Jesus Lord and expect to automatically be saved. You have to accept the Holy Spirit, glorify Him, turn away from sin and keep His commandment of loving one another as best you can and spread the Gospel. You have to put Jesus first in your life
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 That is not what the verses says.. you are just imaginning your wishful thinking. The verse is clear he said "MANY WILL SAY TO ME" he did not say "NOT EVERYONE".. Poor christian, stop adding things that are not in the verse.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei Do you even know what the context is about? False believers. Jesus is saying that not those who automatically call Him Lord will be saved. That's obvious and I explained the reason to you below. How many 'many' means in the context is not made clear. It could be many - as in a dozen, or many as in a million. We don't know.
What we do know is that those who REJECT Christ as the Son are AntiChrists (1 John 2:22) and do not have the Father or the Son. That's you, ThePinkLei
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 NO the text said christian who call him saviour, qho did miracles in his name and called upon jesus name in good times and bad times are going to HELL. The ONLY people on earth today who worship jesus, do good in his name, call on him in good times and bad times are CHRISTIANS. Therefore NONE of you are going to heaven.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei excellent brother
MrZP20 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei What our Lord and Saviour does make explicitly clear is that all those who DENY Him as the Son - like you and most Muslims - will be denied by Him.
1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
cycler7755 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei And still no address from you on Muhammad and Safiyyah, Aisha, Zeynab, Kinana who he tortured at Khaybar, his assassinations, his violence towards others.
I guess these are facts you'd rather ignore and run from
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 You havent even proven your claims against them, no verses, no chapters, you are just repeating lies after lies. Did you not notice iam posting bible texts that have both the verses and chapter numbers.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei I gave you the Hadiths and I gave you the Surah's as well. I even quoted the Hadith on Safiyah for you in full. And there's a lot more
cycler7755 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei
Just tell me, according to the uthman codex, what chapter and aya does it start and end on?
milkydud 2 months ago
@milkydud Listen christian the Quran has not been CHANGED NOT A NUMBER, NOT A LETTER, NOT THE MESSAGE, NOT THE CONTEXT. Stop obessing over uthman his quran is the one we have today. You are a parrot who is lost and confused about your own faith therefore you want to pick on a quran that you failed for past two day to prove that it has been changed. P.s. did you see the verses i sent about the jesus cricifction lie. You should focus on that.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 " but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass".
1 Samuel 15:2-4 Your mummified god is an evil tyrant who couldnt help himself but murder even animals just for the fun of it.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 1stly, Muhammad PBUH didnt write the quran.
2ndly SHOW EVIDENCE. STOP GIBBERISH-ING like a FOOL :)
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 I believe he did compose the Qu'ran. You believe the Qu'ran was revealed through an angel no one ever saw. What's more plausible, use your mind please.
The Qu'ran even has verses that people should leave Muhammad's house after dinner (Quran 33:55), and that Muhammad should be able to have sex with whichever woman he wants to (Qur'an 33:51) - whose word is that, of Allah, or that of Muhammad? Who does it serve. Think critically.
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 It does not matter what YOU believe either prove it or give up because you have lost this debate badly.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei I already have. I used scripture to prove everything. These are facts, not opinions. Your just closing your eyes because you can't accept them as they expose Islam so badly.
cycler7755 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei Exactly brother. They have lost it. THey have shown how weak they are inside and trying to be so strong and confident on the outside. Every single aspect we put onto them, they were UNABLE to prove us wrong. In fact they were NOT brave enough to talk about those issues in the BIBLE. WEll done bro!
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 Actually, if you scroll back through the comments I addressed the issue of the Caananites in the Old Testament. Please read what I wrote. I also recommend you look into Paul Copan so you understand the context in which it was written and the language used.
By attacking God's Law, you're attacking your own Allah because you believe he is the God of the Old Testament. That's the funny thing here. Osama Abdallah really is not too bright
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 LOL so You saw that Jesus was crucified? You heared that Jesus told ppl to Worship him? U r biggest Loser I have ever seen. Honestly. U KNOW NOTHING. U base ur KNOWLEDGE on some ISLAMOPHOBIC HATERS websites. So pathetic. Honestly, U should know more about ur bible first mate. HAHA
MrZP20 2 months ago
@MrZP20 The Quran even has verses that a large part of the war booty taken should belong to 'Allah' - and guess who will take care of it for Allah? Muhammad. (Quran 8:41)
Muhammad even had Abdullah ibn Sarh executed on his return to Mecca as he realized that Muhammad had forged the Quran, because Abdullah said a verse and Muhammad said 'Yes, that's great, put it in the Qu'ran'. So Abdullah knew it was an invention & left Muhammad & went back to Mecca. Muhammad then told his followers to kill him
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 The quran does not say the share of the booty belongs to Allah. Stop making stuff up. You have failed to prove that muhammad(pbh) is a tyrant just like your evil warmongering baby murdering god was.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 And this was your gods war booty.." And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two girls"
Numbers 31: 25-40
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)
Whatever happen to jesus says to love , but in this verse he is telling you christians to HATE your loved ones even YOURSELVES.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother (Matthew 10:35)
I thought he was coming to spread peace and love. This shows what a spychopath your dead god is not to mention one who changes his mind constantly.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@ThePinkLei Quote me another hundred out of context verses from Osama Abdallah's Answering Christianity. Come on, let's hear them all. Being a robot is all you seem to be good at.
Either answer Muhammad and Safiyah, Aisha and his murders or stop bothering me
cycler7755 2 months ago
@cycler7755 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (Revelations 2:23)
It seems his favourite people to kill most are women and children.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. (Luke 19:27)
changing his mind again, one minute he says to love your enemy but when he is pissed, watch out cuz he will slay you.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 “I will corrupt your seed and
spread dung upon your faces!”
Mala 2:3
How nice that he promises to corrupt innocent defendless fetus before they are even born.
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 “Behold, the day of the
Lord cometh, cruel both with
wrath and fierce anger...”
-- Isaiah 13:9
I guess its christian wishful thinking when you claim that your foreskin god is coming back to make "peace"
ThePinkLei 2 months ago
@cycler7755 Reply 1: Lets give u some taste of the bible:
Leviticus 26:29
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.
Deuteronomy 28:53
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.
2 Kings 6:29
So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
MrZP20 2 months ago
@cycler7755 Reply 2:
Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.'
Lamentations 2:20
"Look, O LORD, and consider: Whom have you ever treated like this? Should women eat their offspring, the children they have cared for? Should priest and prophet be killed in the sanctuary of the Lord?
MrZP20 2 months ago