to each there own but if you dont like guns dont buy one THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. im 18, shot my first gun at 4 and already understood "dont point it at a person, dont point it at an animal unless you intend to kill it and if you kill it you'll eat it" my grandparents drilled that into my head.Until 1938 kid ( or teen) could have a machine gun in school. guess how many school shooting there were before 1938.... NON!!!
Idiots. She just contradicted herself. She said the campus should be a sage place to learn right after she said 33 people died on that campus. If they aloud conceal carry when that happened 33 people wouldn't have died
If anybody had a effective way to conter the v tec shooter there wold have been less casualties. How long did it take for the cops to stop him ? Who tried to stop him ? Tell me if he was willing to brake the laws about murder wouldn't he brake the other laws too. On the point about sensitivity life is tough get used to it . Some times you have to rub it in someone's face to get them to learn. And did the ban work no it did not bans don't work because criminals brake laws that's what make them
I like you guys and usually agree with you, but seriously... do you think that shooter would have gotten away with that if the students and faculty were armed? Making "gun-free zones" is basically an invitation for psychopaths like that guy to go in and shoot everyone, because they have the peace of mind that those people have no means of protecting themselves. Ridiculous how you guys can't see the logic in this.
I am saying takes guns away from people, its fucking ridiculous and fuck the constitution its been broken like a billion time why not do it once to fucking save lives
Come on now, folks. If any one of those students had been carrying a firearm when Cho opened fire, maybe we wouldn't have buried 30 young men and women that week.
"You're supposed to party and have a good time" on campus, which is supposed to be a "safe environment to learn?" I think that was an unintentional non sequitur. Which is it?
Guns are designed to kill. Most other western countries allow firearms but have a lot of restrictions. In the UK the police don't even carry firearms, though there are special firearms units where necessary; my family owns several shotguns and we go out shooting rabbits with them but we're in the minority. It is sick that people in the US are seriously proposing allowing concealed firearms in educational facilities. The US is out of control and I really feel sorry for the few sensible people.
To the people attacking the commentary: They are saying that the protest is dumb NOT bc its gun centered but bc of where and when its taking place - on a day very special to these college students. That's their argument - stop attacking them for not seeing all 'angels' - bc that's not what they were talking about.
Not to mention that the people who would have "saved lives" with their own guns could have just as easily shot other students by 'mistake' then shoot the gunman too.
I lived in a neighborhood for over 10 years where inner-city youth gun violence was common. I have watched two youths have a TV style real gunfight back and forth right in front of my house. The houses behind each of the kids were not so lucky...more guns making everyone safer is nothing more than an illusion. Guns are designed for one thing only..and even a small child can make it happen. Most people wont get the point until it is their loved one who gets hit either directly or indirectly.
what the protesters are saying is if ppl had guns to protect themselves they wouldn't have been ducks in a barrel....it's important to look at all angles b4 making judgement
Wow stupid liberals. Cause if I planned on killing 33 people I would probably stop because itwasnt legal to carry a gun. People are so fucking stupid.
Yeah because not allowing guns on campus definately prevented Cho from having a gun. Or how about at Columbine? That too was a "Gun Free Zone". All banning guns in a specific area does is let psychos such as other mass shooters know that nobody else there has a gun and it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel. It's only logical to allow people who have gone through the background checks and proper certification to protect themselves.
Its not like the guns make people kill...people make guns kill they can either be used properly or you can go hunting...not go hunting in your dorm hallways
I'm all for discussion of the issues, especially this one, but TYT has the mentality that "If I scream the loudest I must be right!" This video demonstrates the unfounded and irrational fear that dominates the anti-gun position. The notion that "more guns = more crime" has little if any empirical support. Furthermore, events such as the VT shooting indicate that universities cannot ensure safety for all students all of the time. Students, therefore, must be responsible for their own safety.
Something tells me that if an anti-gun group such as the Brady Camp or VPC were holding a rally at VTech, TYT wouldn't so much as bat an eye, despite the fact that is was anti-gun policy (gun-free zones) that made the VTech massacre so deadly.
the fundamental problem with the argument is that you guys assume that there aren't crazy people out there. that there aren't people who want nothing more than to cause chaos. you assume that if everybody is armed, they will all behave. using the "mutually assured destruction" argument as a basis for arming more people demonstrates a supreme lack of understanding of human psychology and sociology.
"College students are not competent enough to have guns on campus"
Um.. the Commonwealth of Virginia told me I was competent enough to carry a firearm everywhere else, what's different about campus?
"Here's the world's worst place for a gun: a frat house"
Guess what? On off-campus frat houses (which 90% are off-campus) I can already carry, and I have when I wasn't drinking. I can also carry at the bars downtown, and I do when I'm the DD.
The Young Turks are idiots. I'll be at this protest.
Funny.....I didn't hear one solid fact from these people against the carry of a firearm. Lots of emotion and insults, but no facts. Kind of like the old adage about lawyers...."When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. When the law is on your side, pound on the law. When nothing is on your side, pound on the table". First rule of debating kids, you have to have facts.
Well the argument that an armed student might stop a shooting is completely valid as it as already happened. In 2002 a disgruntled student brought a handgun into the Appalachian school of law (in Virginia no loss) and begin firing at faculty and students. Three people were killed quickly but two other students retrieved their own handguns from their vehicles and returned to force the assailant to stop his attack.
@therealfatNINJA Bullshit. One of the students in the story was a trained sheriff's deputy and the other was a trained police officer, who also retrieved body armor from his vehicle. This was an extremely rare anomaly and by no means considered the norm. If you want to make this argument, at least have the intellectual decency to find a story where the students were normal civilians in their early 20s.
If the students were armed, 33 students would not have died! You are in the minority! You want the students to be sheep. The police can't be everywhere. If I was a criminal, a law saying students can't have guns would make be feel safe in mugging any student I see on campus. Just something to think about.
Humorous how they attempt to shoot down so many "asinine" arguments. Apparently, these young turkeys have never heard of mutually assured destruction.
dum dum female made the statement, guns for hunting and recreation but not for self defense? ask yourself this , why didn't Cho do his shooting at a gunshow where he was reported to have attended? or even the gun shop where he legally bought the gun? could it have been the 'gun free zone ' that helped him chose his victims? i will be there
Once again you are confusing criminal behavior with lawful behavior. Guns in bars? Crime in bars went down. Places with strict gun laws have more crime, armed citizens stop crime. GUNS SAVE LIVES!
No I am not comparing "drunken students" and trained military. Jeez are there any sober students in USA?
Military people get drunk too, and non-military people also get trained with firearms before they carry.
Yes, guns shoot people. It is not irrelevant who shoots and who gets shot. Assuming that student and potential psycho murderer are not interchangeable.
If an 18 year old can drive a tank and go die for his country, you're godamn right he has a right to be secure in his person in that country. These people need a dose of reality. 21 year olds aren't mature enough to handle firearms? Really? Grow up!!!
@TxAiden Some are. But in the military they fucking train you to handle a weapon. In the US regular you don't need almost any training or anything to get a gun. Having one and not having proper training is dangerous as hell if you get drunk or if a real situation happens and you try to "help" and accidentally shoot the wrong person because you are either slightly drunk or panicked or just can't aim because you never trained with the weapon.
@Hamhark98 Dude, qualifying with an m16 isn't firearms training. You don't want to bring up how many ND's happen every year, committed by supposedly "trained" individuals. You're a "what if monkey." Look it up.
@Hamhark98 personally I think a law that requires new gun owners to pass a safety course on firearms, should exist since it would reduce accidents a lot i'm sure. Also would hopefully make people think a gun is no where near a toy.
@ihaterobbie123 Trained people are more safe with guns so that beats the second point.
Most people who buy guns are untrained so the first point you make out.
People threatening you with a gun is rare so obviously it doesn't happen every day. But if someone does threaten you with a gun you are a bigger risk to your friends and family and other people around you if you have a gun and are untrained because you will be nervous and will accidentally shoot someone else.
@Hamhark98 You keep making assumptions and support it with NOTHING. Your are not making an argument, you're just making up facts.
"if you have a gun and are untrained because you will be nervous and will accidentally shoot someone else."
"WILL"
Just shut up. Your entire case is just pure, unsupported conjecture. You're anti-gun and you don't care about the facts. Look at campuses that allow concealed carry, shootings are no more common.
Murder is against the law and I would suspect school policy also. Did any law or regulation stop Seung-Hui Cho from murder?
Here is the real story - people who are anti-gun and wish to prevent others from being able to protect themselves are a toxic combination of lazy and stupid!
You are lazy if you make no effort to protect yourself and depend upon others to do so.
You are stupid if you do not realize you are responsible for your own safety.
The best part is, these 2 could have spent 15 seconds on google to avoid looking like j@ck @55es. Real world numbers offer the counter point, to every criticism brought up here. Why don't they talk about what's really killing people, Cars, cigarettes and McDonalds! oh...wait...they would have had to spent that 15 seconds on google to know that.
I'm a gun owner and VA CCW carrier. We are not all cowboys. We're responsible and have good judgement. Many of us have more training and are more competent with firearms than Police.
The comment about an education center being a place to party and drink and ruling out the possibility that any college student would be competent enough to have a CCW is really quite ignorant. They're SUPPOSED to learn and educate themselves.
Guns belong everywhere. I live in Mexico where basically no one is allowed to own guns and look at all the shootings and massacres. I would feel a million times safer if I were allowed to carry a gun.
Guns save lives. If you take the time to review published statistics you will find where their are more guns, crime has gone down. I can assure you the next time you are walking back to your dorm late at night an someone tries to rape or kill you, you'll wish one of the responsible concealed carry permit holders was around to stop them. It's a hard lesson to learn, the police are rarely there when you need them, only afterwords. You are responsible for you own self defense.
I always though college was a time for education and becoming a responsible adult.Not partying. Last time I checked my transcript or my diploma none of them mentioned partying. Maybe it is different at Tech, though. If you think college is a time for being irresponsible and partying maybe you shouldn't have gone. If you were to concentrate on changing your University's culture from partying to getting the most out of the education offered then maybe you'd feel different about guns.
The point of concealed carry is so that students are able to be safe. Colleges had no problem with guns for years until fairly recently. Believing that guns on college is unsafe is irrational. We have already seen what happens on the VT campus when students are not able to protect themselves. It's pretty horrible that students are still forced to be defenseless at VT considering the past. They're college students, not toddlers. Many are former military.
Case in point: you and those around you who promote expression and embrace tolerance do so only as long as this expression agrees with your social and political agenda. Your followers and those you attempting to indoctrinate are going to be very annoyed with you when THEY wake up. Some of the most intolerant people I know are those who claim to be tolerant....
As far as the gentlemen is concerned and his comment about this orgs’ protest being “in your face and insensitive” his comments are truly disingenuous for I guess he supports people’s rights including the transgender movement’s "in your face" demonstrations which many straight people find offensive and insensitive to their sexual preferences. Your wisdom is shown as bizarre and made foolish by placid common sense.
You unjustly project your fears on others through animated and persuasive broadcast. Your animated body language during your presentation speaks volumes about you and “you” would be one individual I would not feel comfortable with possessing a firearm.
Once again the free press is being used a propaganda tool to forward the ideals of constitution hating communists agenda. Missy says students are there to party and learn obviously she is projecting her immature party/sex crazed desires on others. Obviously Missy has been partying too much rather than studying because she forgets that the 2A was in place to allow the citizens of this country keep our government in check and prevent tyranny.
What a bunch of bull. PLEASE do at least a little research before you make comments that literally make you both look like fools. I am appalled that you would disrespect your fellow students by making judgements against their ability to know what is right from wrong or how to handle themselves. And btw morons, you have to be 21 to be able to carry concealed AFTER you pass a Basic Firearms Course & a background check!! Now who is looking like an idiot. Gun Free Zones are Target Rich Zones !!
"College students are not competent enough to have guns on campus. You drink, you party, you have a good time. That's what you're supposed to do when you're a student, you're supposed to party, you're supposed to have a good time." Wow, I thought college was about learning to be a mature individual and getting an education. This lady needs to calm down. I don't think we can have a rational conversation with her on this topic.
And yet, when a liberal gets raped, robbed, or pilfered, what's the first thing they do? Call 911 screaming for someone with a gun to come solve their problem. HaHa! Laughing at ALL stupid libs! They can't even comprehend the safety they enjoy as provided by close-proximity citizens with lawfully-carried firearms. This chick could use a few ounces of gray matter to "occupy" her cranial cavity.
Projection much? Good grief, I couldn't even make it halfway through the video with this future ex-wife sucking all of the air out of the studio. Liberalism is surely a cerebral pathology demanding treatment.
Gun Control Laws only effect people who obey them. Criminals don't obey laws - that why they are called criminals. Get it? Gun control is really People control. Those who don't respect the Bill of Rights need to move to Canada. They have lots of gun control up there. You'll feel nice and safe, trust me. But don't trample on other peoples freedom just because you are incapable of understanding or respecting our constitution.
Wow, you two are so amazingly stupid. Yes babe, you are in the minority. Young Turds strikes again. Listening to these two babble on about this - they couldn't find their ass will both hands let alone understand the rational of conceal carry. "Libtard" is such an appropriate label for these two.
How many people need to be murdered in cold blood before these universities realize they have no right to tell their populace (faculty, staff, students, and visitors) that their life is not worth defending? All of the preventative steps that do not infringe on liberty are fine, but when the problem is right in your face, being armed may very well be the difference between living and dying. University disarmamnet policies have NO BUSINESS interfering here. Self defense is a basic human RIGHT!
I think we should remember that having guns isn't a true solution. The moment a school shooting happens, people are already at risk and have possibly been injured or killed. The best solution would be preventative measures to stop school shootings. Stricter gun control, metal detectors, better security, therapy to distressed students; whatever it may be. But it's better if we focus on preventing a shooting from happening rather than reacting to when the shooting has started.
To address the issue the pro-gun individuals are bringing up... I think we're almost forgetting the risk of accidental casualties here. If a school shooting was to happen, adrenaline, mass confusion and fear is high. You have these people with guns wanting to save lives and stop the shooting, but maybe they mistake another gun holder for the shooter and we might get people shooting other people out of fear. Also, a permit doesn't mean they're trained and can aim if there are innocents nearby.
With all due respect, the young woman is behaving like a child. 'College students are supposed to party and get drunk'. Time to grow up, little one.
There are bad people out there who want to do bad things to you and those like you. Imagine you are one of those unfortunate students with nothing to defend themselves--wouldn't you want to be able to save your own life?
@Trophimus Drunk guys (or girl) has a gun and tells a person of the opposite (or same) sex to have sex with them and then points a gun at them.
Plus drunk people with guns is dangerous as hell.
Plus most people are not competent enough to handle a weapon. Stress + a threat + other people panicking around you + you trying to aim a gun= bad combination.
Usually you shoot the wrong person.
The "guns make places safer" myth has always been a load of shit.
The girl in the video is a moron. People who are 21 and CCW party and drink outside of college and most of the drinking in college is done off campus anyway. I live in a state where there is no law stopping guns and alcohol from mixing - no problems. She views all college students as children who don't have rights while at college - absolutely pathetic.
They have to pass fucking backround checks. It's not like they handing guns out to teenagers. Armed citizens could have saved lives, but your moral highground resulted in their death.
Totally agree. Just because guns are illegal or forbidden it doesn't mean the crazy nut-jobs and criminals are going to spontaneously combust and transform into daisy loving tree hungers that love their fellow human beings.
Ignoring this kind of problem and focusing on the tools people use to deal with it doesn't make it go away, it just makes you got away when faced with it. In a permanent sense of course, and then the rest of us are stuck with it. Best weapon is a pen literally, guns suck.
@fingersticks74 Yes, but consider this: Cho (the VT shooter) legally obtained his firearm and had to participate in a background check to do so. I'm with you that the majority of gun holders are NOT in fact irresponsible maniacs, but just because you pass a background check that doesn't mean you are stable or that you should carry a weapon. I think the primary issue here is not about gun rights, but about the LOCATION of where the VCDL chose to have their rally.
@fingersticks74 you can't argue the fact that has been proven time and time again, the more people that have guns, the more people get shot. handing out more isn't going to help, your average person will do more harm than good in a emergency if they had guns.
Directed at the silly little girl: You're opinion on this matter is driven purely by emotion and if you had any logic behind your point of view you would resort to facts instead of hype.
"Jij bent een zieke Trein" I sincerely doubt if your dutch now. No one in this time talks like this, that is something they said in 1920. I think your most likely a fanatical new born, who is a insecure individual who like many like you wants to be right. But that is my opinion not a fact. My point was that Guns on university ground was a bad idea. Young man with your comments you proven my point lovely.
You brand all of those 12.000 people as rapists and murders. You take one thing as an example and call it a fact. That shows you know nothing of facts. Who are you to be the judge if a person gets to live or die? What do you know of that person you holding a gun to? Maybe it is a kid gone the wrong way, stealing for a living. And maybe if you do not shoot him he gets professional help, changes his ways and contributes something to society. And like that are hundreds of examples.
You can twist the names, but the result is the same. A person is shot dead. You know nothing of the people killed, you know nothing of me. Yet you brand me with all kinds of degrading labels, and do the same for the people killed. Have you reviewed all the cases?, analyzed all the facts involved? No, you are just shouting Pro gun propaganda. Your comments show violence, instability and jumping to conclusions. Just by analyzing your comments I can say your unfit to carry a firearm.
@Packerd01 If someone had legally carried a gun that day of the shooting, lives would have been saved, but Ana is too dumb to understand. She is basically saying " okay let the students be sitting ducks until the next shooter comes around" Which is not right, Ana you are dumb end of story.
If someone has a gun you feel you need a gun because someone else has a gun. At-least 1% of all people killed in the US is because of legal gun owners. You may state its self defense but it is still a human life, It is murder and nothing else. Guns make it easy to kill. 12.996 people would be (most) alive if it weren't for guns and thats 2010
Here's the problem, Ana: not all college kids are irresponsible.Why should those who have chosen to be responsible adults have to live by the standards of the idiots surrounding them?
If you have a gun and there are 3 other people threatening you, one has a gun, which one do you target 1st? The one with the gun. Having a Gun makes you a target. Any person in the world can become a killer when having a gun. There are so many factors that influence your emotions, so many things that can easily make you unpredictable. In those situations its easy to draw a gun, point is a shot can be final very quickly. And then you have robbed a person of their existence.
Political parties have nothing to do with the subject. All parties have different ideals, I do not go calling parties names, nor did i vote for them. The pencil incident was with a knife. Your comment about criminals has nothing to do with any of my said comments. Again conclusion "delusional" You have a Masters in Psychology? did multiple analyses in sessions with me to conclude that? Cops did not know, You have codes within higher forms of professions. *projection & conclusions* :s
1st, Cenk is right, Pro gun or not this is disrespectful and wrong and should not be allowed there.
2nd Anna you are wrong, you are guilty od generalizing/stereotyping. Not all college students are irresponsible
I think that there is a reasonable compromise to be made with gun laws. On top of the 7 day waiting period a minimum age should be set and like (not by) the military each person wanting a gun must past an effeceny test for each type of gun hunting hand semi etc.
@ravenbh This would allow professionals to evaluate if the owner is responible enough to use a gun and would allow for some sort of safety training. Like a car we all have the right to have one but we all need to a license and proficiency to drive one.
@PavePusher I realize that's not how it currently works but as it sits not we've got an all or nothing argument. On the right you have people bringing assault rifles to political rallies and on the left you got people saying that American should not have guns at all because there are crazy people out there. All I am suggesting is instead of one or the other is do what the government was originally meant for and find some sort of compromise that both sides can live with.
@PavePusher As for my competency, when boiled down I could not & would not try to out do the master. Search George Carlin & Rights & you have my thoughts on that. If that is not enough I could go on 2 say I am an American and therefore do not need to prove a damn thing to u or anyone. For reasons sake I wont. All I will say is unlike a lot of people in and out of politics, instead of blaming the other side for everything while lining my pockets as i doing nothing, I'm trying to find solutions
1. No, Cenk is wrong. Adovcating for Civil RIghts at a place where the restriction of those Rights arguably helped to get 32 people killed is not "disrespectful".
Regarding your "reasonable compromise", sorry, but that's not how Constitutional Rights work. You'd have to Amend the Constitution for that.
I'm a student at Virginia Tech and will be attending this protest. It is a protest against UNIVERSITY POLICY. We have the constitutional right to carry, and it is not against the law, only university policy. First off, we don't have frat houses on campus or any of that. I wish that a fellow student had been carrying on April 16th, and 33 people could have been killed. You can't say that a college isn't a safe environment. Blackburg crime is some of the lowest in the nation.
Ana and Cenk, you are hypocrites. You call this insensitive, and I agree, it is. But how is building a mosque right near Ground Zero, where an attack that killed and harmed so many Americans in the name of the Muslim religion, not insensitive? Talk about rubbing people's faces in it!
A campus attack occurs less than once a century. The need for protection is minimal.
How many times has this campus been attacked? Once in its entire history. How many colleges have been attacked in this way? Virtually none across the span of modern history. To think you need to Conceal/Carry on campus is ridiculous.
A fast coordinated police response combined with a logical plan for such an emergency is about all you need. That & for Campus police to not be a pack of circus clowns.
@blueboyblue "A campus attack occurs less than once a century." Demonstratably untrue. Campus crime stats can be found online.
There was another murder at VT about a year and a half later; a student was decapitated in a campus cafe. The police arrived only a minute later... but it was a minute too late. So much for fast response time.
@DemonWithAHumanHeart So, do you have this fear off-campus, where concealed carry is common? Why do you think there are no guns at frat houses now? They are almost universally off-campus and not under direct college control.
@PavePusher As a rule of course it's not insensitive to Promote Civil Rights and Self-defense. However context matters, disagree all you want but this action did not achieve the desired result. So right or wrong it was counter productive and the protesters should think twice about where and how they convey their message. Also I am not against owning guns or even concealed weapons, that does not mean I am against gun regulation.
@PavePusher ya right americans (i presume republican) having an adult conversation is about as likely as a 3 dollar bill. you americans prefer to lie and rewrite history and events so you seem like the good guys while everyone else is the bad enemies who hate your "freedom".
@PavePusher Truth be told, it's impossible to do at this point, involving banning all guns in the US. It would have had to be instituted decades ago. As it is now, people fight fire with fire, same as the nuclear weapon argument, etc.
@PavePusher "Off campus" is not a place full of young morons who have little experience and blood full of hormones, steroids and drugs. The situation is entirely different and the quarters aren't cramped and packed full of innocent people AND other people creeping the halls with guns looking to be a hero; dumbass.
@NeccoWecco Get your facts straight. The shooting was 4 1/2 years ago, so your dates are well off. And they are not promoting "guns in school", they are promoting freedom of choice in self-defense methods.
@PavePusher your retarded they can say they are promoting self-defence but hey are ALSO promoting guns in schools the two go hand in hand like a variable you just choose to ignore. there u go again republicans skewing facts to suit themselves..
@PavePusher its like saying "nooo no we are a pro-hamburger rally, not pro food!!". this has nothing to do with food... jsut hamburgers? did i put it in terms an american can understand?
@sirbestnameever fuck the First Amendment, it says press, that meant hand-set type, maybe water-wheel powered, and quill pens on parchment, not computers and phones and television, make it illegal to have them on public ground
@DeadFishFactory i agree the professors hvaing guns wud be good (although that could lead to its own set of problems albeit far worse then students having them and doing a shootout, or trying to be a hero and killing someone when its not warranted. Hence we have the police to make judgment calls, Vs army every student and being like k there you go defend yourself police wont help.
The protesters are not trying to be horrible people. They think that allowing students to be armed would help prevent more shootings. Most of the people who support guns being allowed on campus only believe that people who have concealed carry permits should have them and the people who have the permits are given background checks and training by a teacher approved by the state government. Colleges would not become a more violent place because the people who seek permits aren't bad people.
@Madman92791 how did those at the school shooting get automatic guns if they had this "background" check you speak of?? yaa the nazis werent trying to be horrible either
On the issue of Conceal and Carry, this is not a blanket law that say anyone anywhere can strap on a gun and walk around. You need a Conceal/Carry PERMIT that has to be approved by state and local law enforcement, and typically requires you to demonstrate a need to carry a gun. Further, it requires an approved course in handgun training.
Conceal/Carry is not a free for all. Try to keep things in perspective.
You don't get it Cenk&Ana. The pro-gun argument for concealed carrying is that shooters like the one that struck Virginia Tech could be taken down more easily, resulting in less deaths.
Of course there are significant downsides to this, like that more people getting to fights will start pulling up guns with disastrous results, but it's not offensive because of the shooting. They think concealed carry would have helped the handling of the shooting.
"They think concealed carry would have helped...."
As I pointed out in another post, in areas that have Conceal/Carry permits, virtually no one seeks them, and those who do rarely to never Conceal/Carry. I simply can't see a college campus where students are walking around armed because once or twice a century, then might need a gun. In real life, this simply doesn't happen. However, students in dorms might have had a secure gun to defend themselves & others.
@blueboyblue The general estimate in "shall issue" states is 3-4% of eligible people obtain permits. Not all carry all the time. But these numbers are hardly "virtually no-one". And your process varies by state. Your list of requirements is not particularly representative.
"The general estimate in "shall issue" states is 3-4% of eligible people obtain permits. Not all carry all the time."
If I can take you at your word, then I stand by my point, though admit it was a generalization. Not everyone is eligible, that reduces the number, then only 3% obtain permits, that is a much smaller number relative to the overall population. The number is small, very small; private detectives, professional security guards, etc...
I'd say the odds are pretty small of being involved in this type of crime.
A lot of this type of crime is criminals against criminals or the poor against the poor. The odds of an average person or a common college student being involved are substantially smaller.
"In real life, this simply doesn't happen." Good Ghod, are you high?
Really? Of the overe 300 million people in the USA, how man have been involved in an incident like this. Yes, it does happen, but it is statistically minute.
It is immoral and illegal to imprison the world to protect it from a very very small few people who might commit crimes. Yes, violent crimes do occur, but they are statistically few.
@Shonenut213 Look buddy, there was a mosque already in the Twin Towers when they fell. So rebuilding it is not a victory mosque, regardless of what some people would have you believe.
"you think it is okay to have a Muslim Victory Mosque (at) Ground Zero."
First, it is not a Mosque, it is a community center. Second, it is not remotely at "the exact location of ground zero". Third, there has been a mosque close than that for decades. Fourth, yes, in a free country with religious freedom, they can have a mosque anywhere a church might otherwise be allowed.
This is pure fear mongering on the part of the right. False issues to distract from the real issues.
1) Girls getting a gun to their head and forced to have sex with some sicko.
( What you gonna do, tell? we shoot your mum, sister enz. Hey on facebook you can blackmail people with a nude picture of them to get other pictures of them, if that works this surely will)
2) Macho kiddos not able to stand one and other blow out their brains. (We had a guy in the Netherlands kill someone over a pencil)
Fuck you Ana. Not all college students are the same age or act the same. I had a concealed weapon sometimes at school and I never once partied and I never tried alcohol until I was 27 and years after graduating.
@SerrahAngel I'm responding to her usual stupidity in claiming there should be rules based on broad generalizations. "College students" are almost all legal adults, and you can't make special rules for them.
to each there own but if you dont like guns dont buy one THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. im 18, shot my first gun at 4 and already understood "dont point it at a person, dont point it at an animal unless you intend to kill it and if you kill it you'll eat it" my grandparents drilled that into my head.Until 1938 kid ( or teen) could have a machine gun in school. guess how many school shooting there were before 1938.... NON!!!
juggernaut19381 1 week ago
Idiots. She just contradicted herself. She said the campus should be a sage place to learn right after she said 33 people died on that campus. If they aloud conceal carry when that happened 33 people wouldn't have died
pkfrisko29 2 weeks ago
If anybody had a effective way to conter the v tec shooter there wold have been less casualties. How long did it take for the cops to stop him ? Who tried to stop him ? Tell me if he was willing to brake the laws about murder wouldn't he brake the other laws too. On the point about sensitivity life is tough get used to it . Some times you have to rub it in someone's face to get them to learn. And did the ban work no it did not bans don't work because criminals brake laws that's what make them
TOUGHTRAIL 4 weeks ago
Isn't it awful? The idea that students could not be killed by mad men (or women) when they're allowed to protect themselves?
TYT: "WE ARE PRO-MURDERERS"
sheepOG 1 month ago
I like you guys and usually agree with you, but seriously... do you think that shooter would have gotten away with that if the students and faculty were armed? Making "gun-free zones" is basically an invitation for psychopaths like that guy to go in and shoot everyone, because they have the peace of mind that those people have no means of protecting themselves. Ridiculous how you guys can't see the logic in this.
hippiechickie18 1 month ago
I am saying takes guns away from people, its fucking ridiculous and fuck the constitution its been broken like a billion time why not do it once to fucking save lives
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GSRGOPEDRIDER247 1 month ago
@GSRGOPEDRIDER247 ....says the retard
spungnut 1 month ago
Come on now, folks. If any one of those students had been carrying a firearm when Cho opened fire, maybe we wouldn't have buried 30 young men and women that week.
oddcatalyst 1 month ago
"You're supposed to party and have a good time" on campus, which is supposed to be a "safe environment to learn?" I think that was an unintentional non sequitur. Which is it?
blicious187 1 month ago
Just like building a mosque at Ground Zero, but you're ok with that aren't you Cenk?
sxehitman007 1 month ago
Guns are designed to kill. Most other western countries allow firearms but have a lot of restrictions. In the UK the police don't even carry firearms, though there are special firearms units where necessary; my family owns several shotguns and we go out shooting rabbits with them but we're in the minority. It is sick that people in the US are seriously proposing allowing concealed firearms in educational facilities. The US is out of control and I really feel sorry for the few sensible people.
theyarecomingforyou 2 months ago
To the people attacking the commentary: They are saying that the protest is dumb NOT bc its gun centered but bc of where and when its taking place - on a day very special to these college students. That's their argument - stop attacking them for not seeing all 'angels' - bc that's not what they were talking about.
Not to mention that the people who would have "saved lives" with their own guns could have just as easily shot other students by 'mistake' then shoot the gunman too.
Fell4Ever 2 months ago
I lived in a neighborhood for over 10 years where inner-city youth gun violence was common. I have watched two youths have a TV style real gunfight back and forth right in front of my house. The houses behind each of the kids were not so lucky...more guns making everyone safer is nothing more than an illusion. Guns are designed for one thing only..and even a small child can make it happen. Most people wont get the point until it is their loved one who gets hit either directly or indirectly.
DungbeetleXL5000 2 months ago
@DungbeetleXL5000 Cars kill more people than guns yet the majority of people own a car.
Tigeriger6 1 month ago
what the protesters are saying is if ppl had guns to protect themselves they wouldn't have been ducks in a barrel....it's important to look at all angles b4 making judgement
Simm2Dimm 2 months ago
Wow stupid liberals. Cause if I planned on killing 33 people I would probably stop because itwasnt legal to carry a gun. People are so fucking stupid.
MATT15632 2 months ago
Lol you can have your protest anywhere you like, he says. Then he lists a place that you can't have your protest... according to him.
I'm not trying to take guns away from people, she says after listing people she wants to take guns away from.
Read the shirt at 2:52 please. That's all you need to know about how they think.
LifeisGood762 2 months ago
Why do I carry conceal because I can't carry a cop on my back all day.
tonyosvaldo 2 months ago
Yeah because not allowing guns on campus definately prevented Cho from having a gun. Or how about at Columbine? That too was a "Gun Free Zone". All banning guns in a specific area does is let psychos such as other mass shooters know that nobody else there has a gun and it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel. It's only logical to allow people who have gone through the background checks and proper certification to protect themselves.
grit02 2 months ago
THE FUCKTARD CRAZY ASS WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BEFORE HE KILLED VERY MANY PEOPLE- wow both of your logics are bass ackwards
Why is it that leftist liberals can't think in a straight line.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
dcollins90 2 months ago
YOU IDIOTS- 33 PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN KILLED IF THERE WERE CONCEALED CARRIERS AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME AT THE TIME OF THE CRIME
dcollins90 2 months ago
the kid with the shirt aT 2:51 SAYS IT ALL ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT.
vietnam6660 3 months ago
Its not like the guns make people kill...people make guns kill they can either be used properly or you can go hunting...not go hunting in your dorm hallways
vietnam6660 3 months ago
guns in this country prevents any country to invade us also we have alot of nukes
too
yea this is the country i was borned in and raised i it.... however i dont have gun for i cant afford one yet maybe later on i will get one...
MrGoodJason 3 months ago
Dumbass women thinks all college students drink and party.She should go to hell
kanpurindia 3 months ago
If the students had guns,they could defend themselves from the shootings
kanpurindia 3 months ago
I'm all for discussion of the issues, especially this one, but TYT has the mentality that "If I scream the loudest I must be right!" This video demonstrates the unfounded and irrational fear that dominates the anti-gun position. The notion that "more guns = more crime" has little if any empirical support. Furthermore, events such as the VT shooting indicate that universities cannot ensure safety for all students all of the time. Students, therefore, must be responsible for their own safety.
sthalman 3 months ago
Something tells me that if an anti-gun group such as the Brady Camp or VPC were holding a rally at VTech, TYT wouldn't so much as bat an eye, despite the fact that is was anti-gun policy (gun-free zones) that made the VTech massacre so deadly.
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the fundamental problem with the argument is that you guys assume that there aren't crazy people out there. that there aren't people who want nothing more than to cause chaos. you assume that if everybody is armed, they will all behave. using the "mutually assured destruction" argument as a basis for arming more people demonstrates a supreme lack of understanding of human psychology and sociology.
hokietoober 3 months ago
"College students are not competent enough to have guns on campus"
Um.. the Commonwealth of Virginia told me I was competent enough to carry a firearm everywhere else, what's different about campus?
"Here's the world's worst place for a gun: a frat house"
Guess what? On off-campus frat houses (which 90% are off-campus) I can already carry, and I have when I wasn't drinking. I can also carry at the bars downtown, and I do when I'm the DD.
The Young Turks are idiots. I'll be at this protest.
tyronebiggins08 3 months ago
Anna, your an idiot. Plain and simple...
Montyfiable 3 months ago
Funny.....I didn't hear one solid fact from these people against the carry of a firearm. Lots of emotion and insults, but no facts. Kind of like the old adage about lawyers...."When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. When the law is on your side, pound on the law. When nothing is on your side, pound on the table". First rule of debating kids, you have to have facts.
detrafi 3 months ago
Well the argument that an armed student might stop a shooting is completely valid as it as already happened. In 2002 a disgruntled student brought a handgun into the Appalachian school of law (in Virginia no loss) and begin firing at faculty and students. Three people were killed quickly but two other students retrieved their own handguns from their vehicles and returned to force the assailant to stop his attack.
therealfatNINJA 3 months ago
@therealfatNINJA Bullshit. One of the students in the story was a trained sheriff's deputy and the other was a trained police officer, who also retrieved body armor from his vehicle. This was an extremely rare anomaly and by no means considered the norm. If you want to make this argument, at least have the intellectual decency to find a story where the students were normal civilians in their early 20s.
BoxBoardCard 3 months ago
I'm pro guns, and I understand the young turks view point. But you cant compare nukes with guns at all........it doesnt make sense.
TeamAlphaTwo7 3 months ago
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If you want to be a sheep, fine. Just don't make a law to make everyone else to be a sheep.
roscoel 3 months ago
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If the students were armed, 33 students would not have died! You are in the minority! You want the students to be sheep. The police can't be everywhere. If I was a criminal, a law saying students can't have guns would make be feel safe in mugging any student I see on campus. Just something to think about.
roscoel 3 months ago
Humorous how they attempt to shoot down so many "asinine" arguments. Apparently, these young turkeys have never heard of mutually assured destruction.
Demonsweatlive 3 months ago
dum dum female made the statement, guns for hunting and recreation but not for self defense? ask yourself this , why didn't Cho do his shooting at a gunshow where he was reported to have attended? or even the gun shop where he legally bought the gun? could it have been the 'gun free zone ' that helped him chose his victims? i will be there
heyrakes 3 months ago 2
So because they had a shooting they can NEVER protest for it? Stupid.
And way to generalize all students as drunk incompetent nuts.
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She was hot until she opened her mouth.
johnwilburn 3 months ago
Once again you are confusing criminal behavior with lawful behavior. Guns in bars? Crime in bars went down. Places with strict gun laws have more crime, armed citizens stop crime. GUNS SAVE LIVES!
bigmuddy1 3 months ago 3
@Eleandorwins
No I am not comparing "drunken students" and trained military. Jeez are there any sober students in USA?
Military people get drunk too, and non-military people also get trained with firearms before they carry.
Yes, guns shoot people. It is not irrelevant who shoots and who gets shot. Assuming that student and potential psycho murderer are not interchangeable.
Spanky00Cheeks 3 months ago
If an 18 year old can drive a tank and go die for his country, you're godamn right he has a right to be secure in his person in that country. These people need a dose of reality. 21 year olds aren't mature enough to handle firearms? Really? Grow up!!!
TxAiden 3 months ago 10
@TxAiden Some are. But in the military they fucking train you to handle a weapon. In the US regular you don't need almost any training or anything to get a gun. Having one and not having proper training is dangerous as hell if you get drunk or if a real situation happens and you try to "help" and accidentally shoot the wrong person because you are either slightly drunk or panicked or just can't aim because you never trained with the weapon.
Its dangerous.
Hamhark98 1 month ago
@Hamhark98 Dude, qualifying with an m16 isn't firearms training. You don't want to bring up how many ND's happen every year, committed by supposedly "trained" individuals. You're a "what if monkey." Look it up.
TxAiden 1 month ago
@Hamhark98 personally I think a law that requires new gun owners to pass a safety course on firearms, should exist since it would reduce accidents a lot i'm sure. Also would hopefully make people think a gun is no where near a toy.
TheSolitaryTraveller 1 month ago
@Hamhark98 Assumptions you made in your comment:
1. Carriers are irresponsible and untrained.
2. People in the army are more responsible with weapons than the average carrier.
3. If carry is allowed on campus people will get drunk and endanger someone.
This is starting to look an awful lot like the cannabis debate "HURR DURR, if we allow it then the end of the fucking world will happen".
You are aware many campuses allow carry right? How about you quit this doomsday fantasy?
ihaterobbie123 4 weeks ago
@ihaterobbie123 Trained people are more safe with guns so that beats the second point.
Most people who buy guns are untrained so the first point you make out.
People threatening you with a gun is rare so obviously it doesn't happen every day. But if someone does threaten you with a gun you are a bigger risk to your friends and family and other people around you if you have a gun and are untrained because you will be nervous and will accidentally shoot someone else.
Hamhark98 4 weeks ago
@Hamhark98 You keep making assumptions and support it with NOTHING. Your are not making an argument, you're just making up facts.
"if you have a gun and are untrained because you will be nervous and will accidentally shoot someone else."
"WILL"
Just shut up. Your entire case is just pure, unsupported conjecture. You're anti-gun and you don't care about the facts. Look at campuses that allow concealed carry, shootings are no more common.
ihaterobbie123 4 weeks ago
Murder is against the law and I would suspect school policy also. Did any law or regulation stop Seung-Hui Cho from murder?
Here is the real story - people who are anti-gun and wish to prevent others from being able to protect themselves are a toxic combination of lazy and stupid!
You are lazy if you make no effort to protect yourself and depend upon others to do so.
You are stupid if you do not realize you are responsible for your own safety.
Train, carry a firearm, & live a safe life.
cszy67 3 months ago 2
The best part is, these 2 could have spent 15 seconds on google to avoid looking like j@ck @55es. Real world numbers offer the counter point, to every criticism brought up here. Why don't they talk about what's really killing people, Cars, cigarettes and McDonalds! oh...wait...they would have had to spent that 15 seconds on google to know that.
Dago342 3 months ago 3
I'm a gun owner and VA CCW carrier. We are not all cowboys. We're responsible and have good judgement. Many of us have more training and are more competent with firearms than Police.
The comment about an education center being a place to party and drink and ruling out the possibility that any college student would be competent enough to have a CCW is really quite ignorant. They're SUPPOSED to learn and educate themselves.
thayr 3 months ago
Guns belong everywhere. I live in Mexico where basically no one is allowed to own guns and look at all the shootings and massacres. I would feel a million times safer if I were allowed to carry a gun.
KiwiLovin7 3 months ago 7
@KiwiLovin7 Youtube in Mexico? Nice
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Guns save lives. If you take the time to review published statistics you will find where their are more guns, crime has gone down. I can assure you the next time you are walking back to your dorm late at night an someone tries to rape or kill you, you'll wish one of the responsible concealed carry permit holders was around to stop them. It's a hard lesson to learn, the police are rarely there when you need them, only afterwords. You are responsible for you own self defense.
ronb4332 3 months ago 2
This is not just a pro-gun protest. It is a rally to allow conceal carry on campus. Lets not be super biased.
Why do we need guns on campus? Wow, what a stupid question.
jeroth1987 3 months ago 4
I always though college was a time for education and becoming a responsible adult.Not partying. Last time I checked my transcript or my diploma none of them mentioned partying. Maybe it is different at Tech, though. If you think college is a time for being irresponsible and partying maybe you shouldn't have gone. If you were to concentrate on changing your University's culture from partying to getting the most out of the education offered then maybe you'd feel different about guns.
mallowmanb 3 months ago
The point of concealed carry is so that students are able to be safe. Colleges had no problem with guns for years until fairly recently. Believing that guns on college is unsafe is irrational. We have already seen what happens on the VT campus when students are not able to protect themselves. It's pretty horrible that students are still forced to be defenseless at VT considering the past. They're college students, not toddlers. Many are former military.
frank4570 3 months ago
Case in point: you and those around you who promote expression and embrace tolerance do so only as long as this expression agrees with your social and political agenda. Your followers and those you attempting to indoctrinate are going to be very annoyed with you when THEY wake up. Some of the most intolerant people I know are those who claim to be tolerant....
theroofsedge 3 months ago 2
As far as the gentlemen is concerned and his comment about this orgs’ protest being “in your face and insensitive” his comments are truly disingenuous for I guess he supports people’s rights including the transgender movement’s "in your face" demonstrations which many straight people find offensive and insensitive to their sexual preferences. Your wisdom is shown as bizarre and made foolish by placid common sense.
theroofsedge 3 months ago 2
You unjustly project your fears on others through animated and persuasive broadcast. Your animated body language during your presentation speaks volumes about you and “you” would be one individual I would not feel comfortable with possessing a firearm.
theroofsedge 3 months ago
Once again the free press is being used a propaganda tool to forward the ideals of constitution hating communists agenda. Missy says students are there to party and learn obviously she is projecting her immature party/sex crazed desires on others. Obviously Missy has been partying too much rather than studying because she forgets that the 2A was in place to allow the citizens of this country keep our government in check and prevent tyranny.
theroofsedge 3 months ago
What a bunch of bull. PLEASE do at least a little research before you make comments that literally make you both look like fools. I am appalled that you would disrespect your fellow students by making judgements against their ability to know what is right from wrong or how to handle themselves. And btw morons, you have to be 21 to be able to carry concealed AFTER you pass a Basic Firearms Course & a background check!! Now who is looking like an idiot. Gun Free Zones are Target Rich Zones !!
rdking961 3 months ago
"College students are not competent enough to have guns on campus. You drink, you party, you have a good time. That's what you're supposed to do when you're a student, you're supposed to party, you're supposed to have a good time." Wow, I thought college was about learning to be a mature individual and getting an education. This lady needs to calm down. I don't think we can have a rational conversation with her on this topic.
point177 3 months ago
And yet, when a liberal gets raped, robbed, or pilfered, what's the first thing they do? Call 911 screaming for someone with a gun to come solve their problem. HaHa! Laughing at ALL stupid libs! They can't even comprehend the safety they enjoy as provided by close-proximity citizens with lawfully-carried firearms. This chick could use a few ounces of gray matter to "occupy" her cranial cavity.
cngerms 3 months ago
Projection much? Good grief, I couldn't even make it halfway through the video with this future ex-wife sucking all of the air out of the studio. Liberalism is surely a cerebral pathology demanding treatment.
cngerms 3 months ago
Gun Control Laws only effect people who obey them. Criminals don't obey laws - that why they are called criminals. Get it? Gun control is really People control. Those who don't respect the Bill of Rights need to move to Canada. They have lots of gun control up there. You'll feel nice and safe, trust me. But don't trample on other peoples freedom just because you are incapable of understanding or respecting our constitution.
dmazanec 3 months ago
Wow, you two are so amazingly stupid. Yes babe, you are in the minority. Young Turds strikes again. Listening to these two babble on about this - they couldn't find their ass will both hands let alone understand the rational of conceal carry. "Libtard" is such an appropriate label for these two.
dmazanec 3 months ago
"You're making an anti-gun argument in America? You're crossing the bounds of decency."
Voyeur12 3 months ago 2
How many people need to be murdered in cold blood before these universities realize they have no right to tell their populace (faculty, staff, students, and visitors) that their life is not worth defending? All of the preventative steps that do not infringe on liberty are fine, but when the problem is right in your face, being armed may very well be the difference between living and dying. University disarmamnet policies have NO BUSINESS interfering here. Self defense is a basic human RIGHT!
johnwilburn 3 months ago
The second amendment appeals to muskets.
CasualMaggot 3 months ago
@CasualMaggot what an idiot
dmazanec 3 months ago
I think we should remember that having guns isn't a true solution. The moment a school shooting happens, people are already at risk and have possibly been injured or killed. The best solution would be preventative measures to stop school shootings. Stricter gun control, metal detectors, better security, therapy to distressed students; whatever it may be. But it's better if we focus on preventing a shooting from happening rather than reacting to when the shooting has started.
redmokah 3 months ago
@redmokah
Schools with security guards, metal detectors, cameras, drug sniffing dogs, and so forth? Is it just me, or are schools becoming prisons?
Ragitsu 3 months ago
To address the issue the pro-gun individuals are bringing up... I think we're almost forgetting the risk of accidental casualties here. If a school shooting was to happen, adrenaline, mass confusion and fear is high. You have these people with guns wanting to save lives and stop the shooting, but maybe they mistake another gun holder for the shooter and we might get people shooting other people out of fear. Also, a permit doesn't mean they're trained and can aim if there are innocents nearby.
redmokah 3 months ago
With all due respect, the young woman is behaving like a child. 'College students are supposed to party and get drunk'. Time to grow up, little one.
There are bad people out there who want to do bad things to you and those like you. Imagine you are one of those unfortunate students with nothing to defend themselves--wouldn't you want to be able to save your own life?
Trophimus 3 months ago 27
@Trophimus
BE AFRAID AMERICANS....BE VERY AFRAID!!!! OOOOOOH BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOOGIE
scruffyryan 3 months ago
@Trophimus Drunk guys (or girl) has a gun and tells a person of the opposite (or same) sex to have sex with them and then points a gun at them.
Plus drunk people with guns is dangerous as hell.
Plus most people are not competent enough to handle a weapon. Stress + a threat + other people panicking around you + you trying to aim a gun= bad combination.
Usually you shoot the wrong person.
The "guns make places safer" myth has always been a load of shit.
Hamhark98 1 month ago
The girl in the video is a moron. People who are 21 and CCW party and drink outside of college and most of the drinking in college is done off campus anyway. I live in a state where there is no law stopping guns and alcohol from mixing - no problems. She views all college students as children who don't have rights while at college - absolutely pathetic.
kafst26 3 months ago
They have to pass fucking backround checks. It's not like they handing guns out to teenagers. Armed citizens could have saved lives, but your moral highground resulted in their death.
fingersticks74 3 months ago 30
Totally agree. Just because guns are illegal or forbidden it doesn't mean the crazy nut-jobs and criminals are going to spontaneously combust and transform into daisy loving tree hungers that love their fellow human beings.
Ignoring this kind of problem and focusing on the tools people use to deal with it doesn't make it go away, it just makes you got away when faced with it. In a permanent sense of course, and then the rest of us are stuck with it. Best weapon is a pen literally, guns suck.
2011movietrailers 3 months ago
@fingersticks74 Yes, but consider this: Cho (the VT shooter) legally obtained his firearm and had to participate in a background check to do so. I'm with you that the majority of gun holders are NOT in fact irresponsible maniacs, but just because you pass a background check that doesn't mean you are stable or that you should carry a weapon. I think the primary issue here is not about gun rights, but about the LOCATION of where the VCDL chose to have their rally.
nocturnally37 3 months ago
@fingersticks74 you can't argue the fact that has been proven time and time again, the more people that have guns, the more people get shot. handing out more isn't going to help, your average person will do more harm than good in a emergency if they had guns.
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@fingersticks74 Protect them against what? people with guns? It,s a UNIVERSITY a place to learn not the wild west.
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Did we forget about 2007 already?
funderkitty07 3 months ago
how about instead of a
"break during emergency ax "
we have a
"break during emergency GUN!"
y512516 3 months ago
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Bet you all those protesters complain about the "ground zero mosque" too.
flake452 3 months ago
Directed at the silly little girl: You're opinion on this matter is driven purely by emotion and if you had any logic behind your point of view you would resort to facts instead of hype.
AusTemplar 3 months ago 2
@Packerd01
It is over, your done.
You have dug your own grave for the world to see.
You are a shining example what is wrong , and what is wrong with others like you.
You have been weighed, you have been measured and found unworthy of anymore of my attention.
R.I.P Fundi
~SerrahAngel
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
@Packerd01
"Jij bent een zieke Trein" I sincerely doubt if your dutch now. No one in this time talks like this, that is something they said in 1920. I think your most likely a fanatical new born, who is a insecure individual who like many like you wants to be right. But that is my opinion not a fact. My point was that Guns on university ground was a bad idea. Young man with your comments you proven my point lovely.
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
@Packerd01
You brand all of those 12.000 people as rapists and murders. You take one thing as an example and call it a fact. That shows you know nothing of facts. Who are you to be the judge if a person gets to live or die? What do you know of that person you holding a gun to? Maybe it is a kid gone the wrong way, stealing for a living. And maybe if you do not shoot him he gets professional help, changes his ways and contributes something to society. And like that are hundreds of examples.
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
@Packerd01
You can twist the names, but the result is the same. A person is shot dead. You know nothing of the people killed, you know nothing of me. Yet you brand me with all kinds of degrading labels, and do the same for the people killed. Have you reviewed all the cases?, analyzed all the facts involved? No, you are just shouting Pro gun propaganda. Your comments show violence, instability and jumping to conclusions. Just by analyzing your comments I can say your unfit to carry a firearm.
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
@Packerd01 If someone had legally carried a gun that day of the shooting, lives would have been saved, but Ana is too dumb to understand. She is basically saying " okay let the students be sitting ducks until the next shooter comes around" Which is not right, Ana you are dumb end of story.
NAUBSAUBS 3 months ago
@Packerd01
If someone has a gun you feel you need a gun because someone else has a gun. At-least 1% of all people killed in the US is because of legal gun owners. You may state its self defense but it is still a human life, It is murder and nothing else. Guns make it easy to kill. 12.996 people would be (most) alive if it weren't for guns and thats 2010
.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics
Some of those could be messed up kids needing help
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
Here's the problem, Ana: not all college kids are irresponsible.Why should those who have chosen to be responsible adults have to live by the standards of the idiots surrounding them?
asheradensein 3 months ago
@Packerd01
If you have a gun and there are 3 other people threatening you, one has a gun, which one do you target 1st? The one with the gun. Having a Gun makes you a target. Any person in the world can become a killer when having a gun. There are so many factors that influence your emotions, so many things that can easily make you unpredictable. In those situations its easy to draw a gun, point is a shot can be final very quickly. And then you have robbed a person of their existence.
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
@Packerd01
Political parties have nothing to do with the subject. All parties have different ideals, I do not go calling parties names, nor did i vote for them. The pencil incident was with a knife. Your comment about criminals has nothing to do with any of my said comments. Again conclusion "delusional" You have a Masters in Psychology? did multiple analyses in sessions with me to conclude that? Cops did not know, You have codes within higher forms of professions. *projection & conclusions* :s
SerrahAngel 3 months ago
Lol! Americans will never get it. Team America FUCK YEAH!!!! XD
Sorry you guys have proven time and time again you don't need handguns anywhere let alone campuses, bars, rallies etc.
Noraa666 3 months ago
1st, Cenk is right, Pro gun or not this is disrespectful and wrong and should not be allowed there.
2nd Anna you are wrong, you are guilty od generalizing/stereotyping. Not all college students are irresponsible
I think that there is a reasonable compromise to be made with gun laws. On top of the 7 day waiting period a minimum age should be set and like (not by) the military each person wanting a gun must past an effeceny test for each type of gun hunting hand semi etc.
ravenbh 3 months ago
@ravenbh This would allow professionals to evaluate if the owner is responible enough to use a gun and would allow for some sort of safety training. Like a car we all have the right to have one but we all need to a license and proficiency to drive one.
ravenbh 3 months ago
@ravenbh Again, that's not how Constitutional Rights work.
May I see your proof of competency for your First, Fourth and Thirteenth Amendment Rights, please?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher I realize that's not how it currently works but as it sits not we've got an all or nothing argument. On the right you have people bringing assault rifles to political rallies and on the left you got people saying that American should not have guns at all because there are crazy people out there. All I am suggesting is instead of one or the other is do what the government was originally meant for and find some sort of compromise that both sides can live with.
ravenbh 3 months ago
@PavePusher As for my competency, when boiled down I could not & would not try to out do the master. Search George Carlin & Rights & you have my thoughts on that. If that is not enough I could go on 2 say I am an American and therefore do not need to prove a damn thing to u or anyone. For reasons sake I wont. All I will say is unlike a lot of people in and out of politics, instead of blaming the other side for everything while lining my pockets as i doing nothing, I'm trying to find solutions
ravenbh 3 months ago
@ravenbh Respectfully, I disagree.
1. No, Cenk is wrong. Adovcating for Civil RIghts at a place where the restriction of those Rights arguably helped to get 32 people killed is not "disrespectful".
Regarding your "reasonable compromise", sorry, but that's not how Constitutional Rights work. You'd have to Amend the Constitution for that.
PavePusher 3 months ago
I'm a student at Virginia Tech and will be attending this protest. It is a protest against UNIVERSITY POLICY. We have the constitutional right to carry, and it is not against the law, only university policy. First off, we don't have frat houses on campus or any of that. I wish that a fellow student had been carrying on April 16th, and 33 people could have been killed. You can't say that a college isn't a safe environment. Blackburg crime is some of the lowest in the nation.
MiniSchwini 3 months ago
Ana and Cenk, you are hypocrites. You call this insensitive, and I agree, it is. But how is building a mosque right near Ground Zero, where an attack that killed and harmed so many Americans in the name of the Muslim religion, not insensitive? Talk about rubbing people's faces in it!
ThePepper67 3 months ago
1:04 - 1:20 Liberals control education in this country. No wonder everything's going to shit! She says these things like she's proud of herself.
3:13 I would.
3:40 It's called mutually assured destruction, dumbass. It's the only thing that kept the communists from taking over the world.
cjbos81 3 months ago
@cjbos81 "It's the only thing that kept the communists from taking over the world."
Oh, that's why you think it's asinine.
cjbos81 3 months ago
Armed guards? Just an Idea.
Friedstuffsable 3 months ago
A campus attack occurs less than once a century. The need for protection is minimal.
How many times has this campus been attacked? Once in its entire history. How many colleges have been attacked in this way? Virtually none across the span of modern history. To think you need to Conceal/Carry on campus is ridiculous.
A fast coordinated police response combined with a logical plan for such an emergency is about all you need. That & for Campus police to not be a pack of circus clowns.
blueboyblue 3 months ago
@blueboyblue "A campus attack occurs less than once a century." Demonstratably untrue. Campus crime stats can be found online.
There was another murder at VT about a year and a half later; a student was decapitated in a campus cafe. The police arrived only a minute later... but it was a minute too late. So much for fast response time.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher
""A campus attack occurs less than once a century." Demonstratably untrue. Campus crime stats can be found online."
In 2003 TEN incidences occurred. How many campuses are there in the USA, and how many students attend the many many many campuses?
The rate of incidence is statistically extremely small; a microscopic fraction of a percent.
It is like shark bites, people are freaked out by the idea, but you are statistically more likely to be bit by a New Yorker than a Shark.
blueboyblue 3 months ago
@DemonWithAHumanHeart So, do you have this fear off-campus, where concealed carry is common? Why do you think there are no guns at frat houses now? They are almost universally off-campus and not under direct college control.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@tessellation Promoting Civil Rights and Self-defense is not "insensitive".
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher As a rule of course it's not insensitive to Promote Civil Rights and Self-defense. However context matters, disagree all you want but this action did not achieve the desired result. So right or wrong it was counter productive and the protesters should think twice about where and how they convey their message. Also I am not against owning guns or even concealed weapons, that does not mean I am against gun regulation.
tessellation 3 months ago
@PavePusher your retarded
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
@wannabchomsky Sorry, we're having an adult conversation here.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher ya right americans (i presume republican) having an adult conversation is about as likely as a 3 dollar bill. you americans prefer to lie and rewrite history and events so you seem like the good guys while everyone else is the bad enemies who hate your "freedom".
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
@NeccoWecco Are you volunteering to provide security for anyone but yourself? My guess is "No".
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher Truth be told, it's impossible to do at this point, involving banning all guns in the US. It would have had to be instituted decades ago. As it is now, people fight fire with fire, same as the nuclear weapon argument, etc.
NeccoWecco 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Surely you can cite to many instances of this off-campus, amIrite?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher "Off campus" is not a place full of young morons who have little experience and blood full of hormones, steroids and drugs. The situation is entirely different and the quarters aren't cramped and packed full of innocent people AND other people creeping the halls with guns looking to be a hero; dumbass.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago 5
@bamboo4tameshigiri Hahahahahaha! Whew....
Do you realize the absurdity of what you just said?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@NeccoWecco Get your facts straight. The shooting was 4 1/2 years ago, so your dates are well off. And they are not promoting "guns in school", they are promoting freedom of choice in self-defense methods.
Speaking of "moronic"....
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher your retarded they can say they are promoting self-defence but hey are ALSO promoting guns in schools the two go hand in hand like a variable you just choose to ignore. there u go again republicans skewing facts to suit themselves..
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
@wannabchomsky For the record, I'm not a Republican. Care to try again?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher its like saying "nooo no we are a pro-hamburger rally, not pro food!!". this has nothing to do with food... jsut hamburgers? did i put it in terms an american can understand?
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
@TOTCD Why is it "crazy" to be prepared to defend myself outside of my home? Do violent crimes not occur in public areas?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri I have no legal or moral requirement to meet an assailant on equal or lesser terms.
"Man the fuck up"? Mysoginistic, much?
PavePusher 3 months ago
@Eleandorwins "Here's another problem: people who carry guns most of the time don't know how to aim." Please cite your evidence.
P.S. Big differences between a war zone and a crime scene. And yes, I've been in both, and I'm a part-time student.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@sirbestnameever fuck the First Amendment, it says press, that meant hand-set type, maybe water-wheel powered, and quill pens on parchment, not computers and phones and television, make it illegal to have them on public ground
P.S. I suggest a remedial grammar class.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@alias1928 Ironically, not having a gun didn't help those 30 people at all.
Did you even think about the words that dribbled out of your head?
PavePusher 3 months ago
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@dwbkmj It doesn't seem to be a problem anywhere else. Usually in self-defense shootings, the action is over long before the police arrive.
"All the while everyone is shooting anyone with a gun." Cite to evidence, please?
PavePusher 3 months ago
I doubt more laws and regulations would have stopped what happened, but having the rally on the site seems insensitive.
SheemiesonofStanley 3 months ago
Conceal carry on campus would be a GOOD thing. If not the students, at least the professors.
DeadFishFactory 4 months ago
@DeadFishFactory i agree the professors hvaing guns wud be good (although that could lead to its own set of problems albeit far worse then students having them and doing a shootout, or trying to be a hero and killing someone when its not warranted. Hence we have the police to make judgment calls, Vs army every student and being like k there you go defend yourself police wont help.
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
The protesters are not trying to be horrible people. They think that allowing students to be armed would help prevent more shootings. Most of the people who support guns being allowed on campus only believe that people who have concealed carry permits should have them and the people who have the permits are given background checks and training by a teacher approved by the state government. Colleges would not become a more violent place because the people who seek permits aren't bad people.
Madman92791 4 months ago
@Madman92791 how did those at the school shooting get automatic guns if they had this "background" check you speak of?? yaa the nazis werent trying to be horrible either
wannabchomsky 3 months ago
On the issue of Conceal and Carry, this is not a blanket law that say anyone anywhere can strap on a gun and walk around. You need a Conceal/Carry PERMIT that has to be approved by state and local law enforcement, and typically requires you to demonstrate a need to carry a gun. Further, it requires an approved course in handgun training.
Conceal/Carry is not a free for all. Try to keep things in perspective.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
You don't get it Cenk&Ana. The pro-gun argument for concealed carrying is that shooters like the one that struck Virginia Tech could be taken down more easily, resulting in less deaths.
Of course there are significant downsides to this, like that more people getting to fights will start pulling up guns with disastrous results, but it's not offensive because of the shooting. They think concealed carry would have helped the handling of the shooting.
HannuMarijarvi 4 months ago
@HannuMarijarvi
"They think concealed carry would have helped...."
As I pointed out in another post, in areas that have Conceal/Carry permits, virtually no one seeks them, and those who do rarely to never Conceal/Carry. I simply can't see a college campus where students are walking around armed because once or twice a century, then might need a gun. In real life, this simply doesn't happen. However, students in dorms might have had a secure gun to defend themselves & others.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Stats to support your assertions?
"In real life, this simply doesn't happen." Good Ghod, are you high?! It DID. And it DOES.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher
First, nothing I said requires 'Stats'.
It is a fact that to Conceal/Carry you need a permit.
It is a fact that virtually no one applies.
It is a fact that applicants must demonstrate a need, & must get approval from LOCAL AND STATE law enforcement.
It is a fact, to get final approval you must demonstrate that you have successfully completed a handgun training course.
We are talking about an event that occurs less than once a century. The need for protection is minimal.
blueboyblue 3 months ago
@blueboyblue The general estimate in "shall issue" states is 3-4% of eligible people obtain permits. Not all carry all the time. But these numbers are hardly "virtually no-one". And your process varies by state. Your list of requirements is not particularly representative.
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PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher
"The general estimate in "shall issue" states is 3-4% of eligible people obtain permits. Not all carry all the time."
If I can take you at your word, then I stand by my point, though admit it was a generalization. Not everyone is eligible, that reduces the number, then only 3% obtain permits, that is a much smaller number relative to the overall population. The number is small, very small; private detectives, professional security guards, etc...
blueboyblue 3 months ago
@blueboyblue P.S. There are approx. 1.5 Million violent crimes per year in the U.S. "The need for protection is minimal" is not quite accurate.
PavePusher 3 months ago
@PavePusher
1.5 million / 313 million = 0.0048 = 0.48%
I'd say the odds are pretty small of being involved in this type of crime.
A lot of this type of crime is criminals against criminals or the poor against the poor. The odds of an average person or a common college student being involved are substantially smaller.
blueboyblue 3 months ago
@blueboyblue But the "odds" are decidedly non-zero. Note also, that your risk percentage is per year. That adds up over time.
Sorry, but having been a victim of both violent and non-violent crime, I will not allow you or anyone else to blithly play the lottery with my life.
PavePusher 3 months ago
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@PavePusher
"In real life, this simply doesn't happen." Good Ghod, are you high?
Really? Of the overe 300 million people in the USA, how man have been involved in an incident like this. Yes, it does happen, but it is statistically minute.
It is immoral and illegal to imprison the world to protect it from a very very small few people who might commit crimes. Yes, violent crimes do occur, but they are statistically few.
blueboyblue 3 months ago
And yet you think it is okay to have a Muslim Victory Mosque on the exact location of Ground Zero.
Fuck you Cenk! Fucking Hypocrite!!!
Shonenut213 4 months ago
@Shonenut213 Look buddy, there was a mosque already in the Twin Towers when they fell. So rebuilding it is not a victory mosque, regardless of what some people would have you believe.
HannuMarijarvi 4 months ago
@Shonenut213
"you think it is okay to have a Muslim Victory Mosque (at) Ground Zero."
First, it is not a Mosque, it is a community center. Second, it is not remotely at "the exact location of ground zero". Third, there has been a mosque close than that for decades. Fourth, yes, in a free country with religious freedom, they can have a mosque anywhere a church might otherwise be allowed.
This is pure fear mongering on the part of the right. False issues to distract from the real issues.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
Fuck the Young Turds!!!
Shonenut213 4 months ago
bar shootouts?
jacobpaprotskiy 4 months ago
isn't anyone really surprised. These ppl dont give a fuck about anyone... they're right wing. cmon.
david3188col 4 months ago
Guns in university get you three things:
1) Girls getting a gun to their head and forced to have sex with some sicko.
( What you gonna do, tell? we shoot your mum, sister enz. Hey on facebook you can blackmail people with a nude picture of them to get other pictures of them, if that works this surely will)
2) Macho kiddos not able to stand one and other blow out their brains. (We had a guy in the Netherlands kill someone over a pencil)
3) Christian radical teens shooting on the lose.
SerrahAngel 4 months ago 10
@SerrahAngel Are you claiming that legal permit holders (the only people who would be allowed to carry lawfully) are murderers, thugs and rapists?
Stats to support your claims, please, or retract your vile lies.
PavePusher 3 months ago
Fuck you Ana. Not all college students are the same age or act the same. I had a concealed weapon sometimes at school and I never once partied and I never tried alcohol until I was 27 and years after graduating.
RichoRosai 4 months ago
@RichoRosai
You should not feel personally attacked by this :} , see it this way not all people are as responsible as you are.
I am sure you have seen sickos and nut cases in which you think "That person should never have a weapon" ;}
SerrahAngel 4 months ago
@SerrahAngel I'm responding to her usual stupidity in claiming there should be rules based on broad generalizations. "College students" are almost all legal adults, and you can't make special rules for them.
RichoRosai 4 months ago