Of every dollar insurance companies collect they only spend about 50 cents on average. Because of laws not allowing individuals to buy over state lines each insurance company has a state held monopoly. And because of lobbying dollars they're going to keep holding the public hostage using the US gov't against us.
if u sick go to japan south korea or pretnto be a canadian citizen it fuking outrageous care herer cost to o much dr are fuking crook for exmple it cost 500$ to do mri scan after that u have to pay dr another 250$ for him to tell u the result of the mri scan
The biggest problem is that US healthcare is neither fully market-driven nor public. Healthcare in Singapore is mainly private, with some public programs. 70% of healthcare spending is private. Healthcare (both public and private) accounts for only 3% of Singapore's GDP, versus 19% in the US.
"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
US healthcare is the most overpriced and the most inefficient among developed countries.
In a profit orientated system like the US one it's not profitable for the doctor and the pharma companies to cure the patient using the most efficient medical procedures but the most expensive one and to perform as many as possible unnecessary procedures just to increase the bill
In a profit orientated system system doctors aren't paid to keep patients healthy.The more sick people are the more doctors earn.
@NowThePeople. You think it's wrong that insurance companies drop people to make more money, so your solution is to vote for a representative to hold this power over you? You think socialism and communism arent driven by greed? PEOPLE are driven by greed, and we're both people. "The System" works for me, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and has recieved nearly 5 million dollars in treatment. This doesnt happen ANYWHERE else on the planet.
To think that the US has a high standard of living, it's really annoying to the fact that most people in the country can't afford basic healthcare it's ludicrous..
I guess if your careful enough not to get hurt but if you have a car accident one day who's going to save you??!!
ctd.. shit, when its far from it! Everything in America is about money even human health, thats were our governments differ, ours dont care about money they care about healing people when they ill, is Obama not tryin to make that happen over there? what ahppens if a homeless bum has cancer,would they get treatment, they would hereits a big time shitty policy u guys got, if ur rich u be looked after, but fucked if your poor!! here we are all treated like equals..WAKE UP AMERICA..demand it
Healthcare in the US sucks! here in UK & Europe its all FREE! becos that what a governments meant to do, help its ill citizens, u ever seem 'sicko' by michael moore,USA is just before latvia in healthcare rankings at 48 or something,france is No.1, Uk is 5 i think, i thought theUs was the "land of the free"..but u can only get better if ill by payin for it thru insurance!THAT IS BULLSHIT.. healthcare should be free to any1 who need its, but noooo, u in US think our NHS is some kinda communistTBC
@RetroShinigami You spelled deaf wrong. There is an example of what government funded schools do for you. I agree that our health care system sucks but government healthcare is not the answer for America.
@mrl2583838 His first language is not English, and keeping that in mind I think he did pretty good. Also I love how you say that our healthcare system sucks but you do not offer a solution to the problem.
Yeah, The Best Free Health Quotes I Got Was Through This Rapid Response Form I Filled In Without Taking Medical Exams, It Was Free, Fast And Easy, Its At besthealthinsuranceoffers.info
@RetroShinigami when i was young,i had problems with my legs,and they needed surgerey,so my parents got me to countless doctors and all was stupid,finally i went to italy got the advice from an italian private doctor came back to greece and a greek surgeon from the private sector did the surgery,we pay our healthcare and schools via taxes but they SUCK big time...so i prefer private healthcare...i payed 20 euros for a visit to a doctor and another 20 for medicines last week,no waiting no nothing
Companies started offering medical coverage in the 40's because the government did not allow them to compete on wages. The employer based system we have today is incredibly flawed.
People should buy insurance the same way that we buy automobile coverage
Uhhhh, so employers offering HC insurance it wasn't a direct result of wage controls and the only way to attract and keep employees was to offer benefits like health insurance?
@Ibringthetruth1 I see what you are saying, but you can keep your private insurance if you want to, you don't have to go on the "goverment" insurance. If people who can't afford health care want their care rationed then let them have it, it is not bothering you. I would rather have the choice of "rationed" HC then no HC at all.
@Demon666Evil Yeah, they make a profit and you lose 5% of your care, but in 20 years when the EU has bankrupt its socialist government, let's see how their benifits work out. "Finland let me have free healthcare" I'd rather pay for mine and know i'l have it tomorrow, than let others buy it for me and not know when it'll default. I can still go to a doctor and pay him money to see me, you can't.
@TumisHumis In the UK we've had "socialist" healthcare for 63 years and counting and we haven't gone bankrupt yet. Granted we might do so pretty soon but that's more to do with global economics...
@PastafariansWON More to do with global economics... This tax and spend socialism IS the problem with global economics. If you've yet to make this connection, you should have yourself checked out, (it's probably still free in your country)
@TumisHumis Please explain why? By the way, ironically it was when I agreed with you on this issue that I got checked out, and got treated for it without having to spend a penny. :P
@NowThePeople False, when the government involves 1/6th of the economy (insurance) so drastically, it destroys the free market, thus destroying my protection/rates. You don't seem to understand the full implications of government run insurance. No beauracracy in the history of government has ever been productive.
@TumisHumis I understand what you are saying, however the insurance rates that I pay now in my 20s are ridiculous and there is not a rate protection as of now. If there was then the insurance company could not increase their rates so drastically. They can as of now drop you whenever they want, deny your claims, raise your rates, or all together say they will not pay for certain treatments that you need. In my opinion the insurance companies have to much power, and they abuse it. Just my opinion
@NowThePeople You have a choice to make. You can pay for insurance, or you can vote for it. That choice is a simple one in my eyes, and it's exactly the same as: You can work for money, or vote for money. Do you work for money, or vote for money? I work for money and pay for insurance and wouldn't have it any other way. Name a beauracracy that has ever been able to compete with the free market. In any instance in human history, you will not find this.
@TumisHumis I see the health insurance companies as the bureaucracy. You see that is where we differ, and our opinions are allowed to be different. Actually it is nice to have a civilized conversation, like the one we are having without all the name calling.
@NowThePeople If you have a problem with an insurance agency in America, you can ****Find another one**** WHAT A CONCEPT!?! Can you find another overbearing federal government? Nope. You have what you have, so be content.
@TumisHumis Well that sounds good in theory, but people who have a pre-existing condition (even if it is minor) can not get insurance most of the time, so it would do them no good to switch insurance companies. If you do find one that will except you then be prepared to pay a ton of money for it, and as soon as you need treatment they will drop you, or continue to deny your claims. Massachusetts has had mandated insurance for years.
@NowThePeople Yes, and Romney-Care has turned out to be one of the worst things to happen to Massachusetts since the British blockade. Just because insurance companies are ripping people off doesn't mean that capitalism and free trade doesn't work, you shouldn't be shopping for insurance when you're sick. You should have it, so get it today, or don't bitch. It's not the government's fault you decided to look for insurance after being diagonised with something, and if you believe it is, move.
@TumisHumis We will not agree my friend, I think its wrong insurance companies drop people who are sick, their CEOs get million dollar salary packages, the people on Capital Hill get free "tax paid" insurance, while the mom and dad with a sick child have to sell their house because the insurance is so high. The system is broken, and needs to be fixed. We won't agree on how it should be done but that is okay.
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
I don't understand the American point of view, I think it's propaganda spread by interested parties (governement, lobbyists). They say 'we are not taxed' and control our destiny etc. You're paying a coporation with one mandate (earn at all costs) and a small few get rich in the process, all while many suffer, so a small amount of privilidged get service. You don't understand the social affect on your country, I love resting easy understanding I am looked after the same as my friends and family.
@TbagNS American point of view: i am American who cant afford health care but i can see why people would be made about " free heath care" most Americans pay a lot of money for great health care, why would they want to pay more money in taxes for less health care. there free hospitals and clinic in America just not all of them are free. just because something work for a country of 32 million doesn't mean it will work for a country of 300+ million.
@mrfwest Like the way you start so- British point of view : That fact that many US citizens cannot afford healthcare I suspect seems to the many citizens of UHC countries bizarre. The size of your population is irrelevant given you are still one of the most productive of the advanced democratic economies. The point about UHC's is they are not free but they do supply cost effective medicine to all. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. Regards.
@davijeph i wanted to watch "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context" but it would have taken hours to finish buffering.
i dont see how the productiveness of our government has any thing to do with it. we have a 14 trillion dollar debt. if every American used just 1$ from a UHC each day, it would cost 1.09 trillion dollars annually. avg Americana spends: 1,881 yr ( 5.64+ trillion ) I'm looking forward to UHC but, now may not be the right time
@mrfwest In truth most western countries are up to their neck in debt so the US is no worse overall than most. In fact given your production capacity you should be in a stronger position to reverse it than others. The yearly cost of US health care is some 16% of your GDP the average for those with similar problems but UHC costs are around 8%. The lecturer points out in effect the US wastes some trillion $ every year when comparing values and results with similar advanced economies. Regards.
@mrfwest , try to find free ER care in US. If a patient cannot afford to pay around 300 each month for health insurance, how can they afford a 40 000 emergency life-saving surgery? And insurance doens't always pay, so this is not a problem of the uninsured only. The only logic behind US healthcare is called: CORPORATE GREED. God forbid you ever need emergency care in US: looong wait, rude service and thousands of dollars in debt months later. Totally f-ed up.
@Tihbialdunav maybe i just didn't understand what you mean by free ER but, all emergency rooms are somewhat free. it's a u.s law that you have to help someone in an emergency room.
@Tihbialdunav they helped you right? they can't physically make you pay for it. sorry that happened to you and you have the right to mad but, f-ed up things happen to people everyday. if you move to canada, im sure you won't have to worry about your debt. you just have to take the good with the bad or go away. nothing stopping you
@mrfwest ,wait, $15000 was the emergency bill, but I needed treatment, so add another 30000. I stayed 1 day in hospital, no complications, bill came to over 50 000. How is that possible? In Europe taxes take care of everything, except for medication sometimes. My country tax level is the same as US, and we get healthcare, schooling(including college), 1 year maternity leave at 100% of salary. Isn't US the richest country in the world? Why sponsor the greedy corporations?
Here in America its all about the profit. Insurance companies don't care about the people but only what begs beefs up their checking account.. our system is horrible here,here we do not care about our people the private sector does not care about human lifethe american health system is worthlesscan you aaron this for me I am an american
Here in Holland everybody is obligated to have a basic healthcare insurance, the gov. decides what that package is. Our insurance companies can offer that, with extra services. So it's liberalised. When you don't earn enough, our gov. gives you health allowance. We got a own risk of 250 euro for medicins.
universal CHEAP health care is good for you...forget about whether you deserve it or not, if it is DOABLE, we should do it....gov't run healthcare will be so much cheaper because it will not have a CEO receiving tens of million in salaries + stock options each pay year...got it? Health insurance is not a field we need to "encourage" to be capitalistic, it should be socialistic, it SHOULD BE CHEAP, IT CAN BE CHEAP, but lying GOP and special interest will lie becuz their profits will take a hit
The major point here is that health care became more expensive because doctors were romantized on television and given an unfair place in our society. Doctors kill 90,000 Americans a year with mistakes.There is no way to police doctors actions;they police themselves.Doctors don't have social skills and lack the skills to properly diagnose, communicate, and solve a problem with at least half of their patients. If a doctor doesn't help you, don't pay. It's time to start a revolution against this.
@TheDogRibs The revolution is to live off the land. Go back and reverse time and back when england was on top of the world. Wait a minute, wasnt it doctors that discovered the cure for the black pledge that actually save the entire world to get vacinated? Wasn't it researchers that were willing to risk a few lives then to save the majority of people that is living in todays world? Was it not engineers that were saving lives?
that's not true, most Americans especially on the East Coast, West Coast are totally on board with the best/most liberal ideas, it's the vast middle mountain states and the Southern states that are still racist to this day, that are trying to block progress...cheap health care means minorities like blacks will have health care, the South can't have that...they hate progressivism because they are racists...though ironically they all believe in christianity
Obesity, alcohol abuse, and tobacco, are the primary causes of chronic health problems in America. This is a major factor in the cost of the health care. The ONLY solution to health care is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Obama is robbing responsible Americans to subsidize destructive lifestyles of irresponsible Americans and illegal aliens. He penalizes us for living a clean life and rewards those destroying themselves and breaking the law. Is that justice?
Government run healthcare is a good idea. Politicians are notoriously intelligent, honest, and always work to keep the interests of the people in mind. Everyone's grandmas will be safe with Uncle Sam.
This just in: entitlement programs encourage waste, inefficiency, abuse, and corruption, ultimately raising prices for all and crowding out many in need.
They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
While I don't necessarily agree with your point about government feeling "entitled" to our money through the tax system, I do have to recognize that as an understandable concept. I would also like to point out (to you and anybody who read this) that you never have to pay income taxes (just something I think people should no; Google video: America Freedom to Fascism)
"The abuses in the private system are self correcting" Honestly? Name one problem insurance companies have "self corrected" other than lack of profits. We pay more than twice what people in most industrialized countries, yet we are still sicker. When are insurance companies going to self correct that?
The insurance companies don't have to correct anything because they're not fully private. The government regulates, taxes, and subsidizes much of what they do today. There is no free market in healthcare. Inefficiencies are being worsened by government interference. And now they are attempting to make us ALL join the failing system so there is no incentive to correct these issues. The fear of failure is what creates correction. Look what is going on in the Egyptian system right now.
I admit the government does technically/ theoretically have some power over insurance companies, but they exercise hardly any authority (as compared to other industrialized countries). Our system by its nature is still a private system, whether you mean before or after the watered down healthcare bill.
@AngryPenguin27 "There is no free market in healthcare"- true but that is because there is no truly "free" market in our country at all. Our entire system is designed to keep/make the rich rich(er) and keep the poor and middle classes fighting over scraps.
Ok, I typed up a really long and elaboratge response to everything you said in that last post like 4 times now, and it keeps being deleted. Or maybe part of it posted and I can't see it or something. God damn new youtube.
"The abuses in the private system are self correcting" Honestly? Name one problem insurance companies have "self corrected" other than lack of profits. We pay more than twice what people in most industrialized countries, yet we are still sicker. When are insurance companies going to self correct that?
@AngryPenguin27 "There is no free market in healthcare"- true but that is because there is no truly "free" market in our country at all. Our entire system is designed to keep/make the rich rich(er) and keep the poor and middle classes fighting over scraps. I get why joining the "failing system" would not be a desirable solution, but then again if you really wanted to provide competition which free market capitalist are always barking about, the public option would have been your best bet.
A public option in any market does not encourage competition - it destroys it. No one can compete with a business that can control its customers. A competitive market requires freedom of choice for its consumers. Government mandates, taxes, subsidies, bailouts, and regulations attempt to choose where and how a customer does business, thereby eliminating any incentive to compete. Reduced competition hurts everyone, especially lower income people who require competitive pricing.
That arguement would make sense if a public option was the ONLY option. The whole idea behind a public option is to provide another choice which INCREASES competition. This is how healthcare is run in San Francisco. 36 (or 34?)
different insurance options, half public and half private. And their healthcare costs are far lower than the national average. I'll semi-give you the point that regulations and whatnot control how people do business, but that isn't always a bad thing. Is it bad to have regulations saying you can't sell food with poison in it?
If a system is "half public" that means that half of its money is being forcibly taken from the public in some way. People think those systems are cheaper because they don't see the true costs. The cost comes through a slow increase in cost of living.
To regulate poison would require a universal definition of "poison". Many poisons are intentionally consumed and create jobs as a result. Common foodstuffs are often poisonous: red kidney beans are poisonous if they are consumed raw.
1) True technically. But are you forced to use the post office? Forced to attend public school (i.e. there are other options)? forced to go to the library? No, they are OPTIONS
2) The government does not create nor regualte the money supply (unfortunately). The Federal Reserve, a group of PRIVATE banking interests which has NEVER been audited, has soul power to regualte the money supply
I am forced by law to use the Postal Service for 1st Class mail delivery. The have a monopoly on such service. I am not forced to use the services you mentioned, but I am forced to pay for them which is essentially the same. And there is nothing stopping the gov from mandating my using them when my liberties are no longer honored.
Where in the Constitution is the Fed authorized to regulate the supply of money? If it is indeed private it ought to have no authority in such a matter.
Ok, let's take this example. You are forced to pay for fire departments & water filtration. In exchange for being forced to pay, every citizen is protected from the possibility of a fire or unsafe drinking water. Would you prefer to have every citizen pay for "fire insurance" and be sure that the department near their house is one of their "prefered fire safety providers"?
Yes, I would rather have people be responsible for their own affairs. I don't like the idea of people treating others as slaves. I can buy water and pay for my own insurance. My fire insurance would protect my house in the event of a neighbor's fire. I don't understand why self-reliance is such a foreign concept to you.
If you are truly consistent with everything you have been saying, then you are an anarcho-capitalist, in which case we have slightly more in common than I had anticipated. I'm all for self relience, but only in a practical sense. Even your example is not showing complete self relience. Even paying for your own fire insurance you are still relying on somebody else to actually put out the fire.
Even if the state was abolished I am pretty confident that these services would be maintained through voluntary assosication. Does you honestly believe fire protection for all is a bad thing?
Article 1, section 8 "Powers of Congress... to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures" Have you really not read the constitution? I don't know why you're still arguing that point.
Companies can force you to accept their prices if they represent the only option for people. If you're locked in a room and I have all the food, I can charge you $100 dollars for a hotdog. Medicine is limited by govt red tape? really? Again, compare our system to ANY other industrialized nation (I believe this excludes South Africa).
We have far FEWER government regulations on healthcare and, once again, we pay far more (looks like you're not the only one repeating yourself).
It's the insurance companies fault. Who were you planning on blaming? It is true; why do you think so many americans smuggle perscription drugs in from Canada? The problem with your "shopping around" argurment is that transportation costs across countries can get pretty high.
That doesn't mean the people in those countries don't pay less.
Once again, I actually like your idea of abolishing those services (are you not an anarchist?), but I made the assumption that you're probably a rightist (if leftist is a word, why does that sound so weird?), and usually they support the military unwaiveringly. I'm actually all for its abolition.
Yes, by law corporations can do as they wish with their money, but do you honestly feel that that is all good all the time? There are corporations that hypnotize the public, feed them shit, "are cutting the earth from beneath our feet, poisoning the air we breath, contaminating the water we drink..." (Culture is your operating system [that video isn't very relevent to this discussion, but if you have the time I highly recommend it]).
I don't believe our current government is "more wise or honest with money", but the thing about government is that it's the one institution which we can actually affect, as opposed to corporations which are totally tyrannical all the time.
People are forced to buy food and clothing (according to social norms on the clothing front), does that automatically encourage huge prices? Prices twice as high as elsewhere?
See this is where governments get out of hand, instead of caring for those around you, other people in your own country, you tell yourselves "Screw the poor, they are homeless anyways" what a retarded way to act. Thankfully some countries have grown up and have adopted a "All-for-one, One-for-all" health system. You may call it "socialist" health care, but in it's own you are a hypocrite, for no governments "lean" one way or another, you are NEVER a full democracy.
Amen to that my friend. I am in Canada right now till Tomorrow and the healthcare system here is top notch! 70.00 for an er visit, 20.00 for private doctor visits and thats cash that is bubble gum change compared to back home where they rape you legally with 7500 dollar ER bills and 250-300.00 private doctor fees cash it is madness. I hate our american system, I will come to Canada for care legally by paying cash for it. it is so much cheaper then home. pERIOD.
According to the constitution Congress has power to regulate the money supply. In 1913 they passed the Federal Reserve Act thus creating the Fed. I agree they ought not have this authority, and the passage of that bill was unconstitutional, BUT that is a fact now. The federal reserve Does control our money supply.
I agree that "Free market correction [should] occur naturally" but that doesn't happen in an unfree market.
If every insurance company decides to charge 30% more than what is actually necessary your only option is to pay the outragous price, or go without. If consumer pressure really forced companies to change policy, why would we be paying twice what other nations pay for the exact same goods and services. This is a fact (I use that term loosely because I don't believe in any sort of absolute truth) not an opinion.
Where there is a demand there is a supply. No one wants high prices. Companies cannot force anyone to take their prices (unless gov gets involved). I already explained the nature of our prices: reduced competition b/c of gov involvement. Medical institutions are limited by gov red tape and protectionist policies reduce competition in the market. I've already gone through all of this. You're just making me repeat myself.
Pharmaceutical companies charge more for the same products here than in Europe because they know Americans aren't aware that they are paying more for the same thing.
If you honestly believe "nobody has the right to take what others have earned and hand it to others" then how would you suggest we pay for ANY government service? That includes, schools, roads, libraries, and the military. My premiums are the result of 1) market forces and 2) corporate greed.
And who's fault is that exactly? Does your local grocery store tell its customers that they can save money by shopping somewhere else? That would be absurd. If what you're saying is true then it is the responsibility of the people to learn how to shop around.
I don't believe we need any government service. If you want any of those things you mentioned you may pay for them at your own expense. Leave people like me out of it. P.S. Corporations can do as they wish with their own money
1 in 3 dollars paid to an insurance company is pure profit and does nothing to make anybody any more healthy.
So do you think that when states force people to buy auto insurance it causes prices to rise in and of itself? That is a legitmate question by the way, I fully admit that I do not know the answer.
Do you really think that governments are any more wise or honest with money? Btw, profit is not illegal in this country last time I checked.
And when anyone is forced to buy anything the incentive for providers to lower price is greatly reduced. You're having me answer questions I've already addressed.
I would much prefer a "slow increase in cost of living" than arbitrarily defined insurance premiums which are far greater than any other industrialized nation pays.
Maybe the poison example was imperfect, but it was to demonstrate a point. Surely you don't believe all regualtions are all bad all the time. Child labor laws- bad? minimum wage/ working standards- bad? consumer protections- bad?
You might not mind having your living costs increase but no one has the right to take what some have earned and hand it to others. Your premiums are not arbitrarily chosen. They are the result of market forces. Decreased competition and entitled business force premiums higher. Forcing everyone to buy anything causes prices to rise b/c there is no incentive to lower them. There is a regulation in the free market: the will of the consumer / worker. Government is not required.
1.) You cannot compete with a business that can force its customers to shop with them.
2.) You cannot compete with a business that can create an unlimited supply of money (inflation) to do business with.
3.) You cannot compete with a business that can create laws telling its competitors how and where it can compete.
Let's start a game together and I'll make all the rules. I have an infinite amount of pieces and you can only play with one hand. The first rule is: I win. Good game.
3) Yes but supposably the whole idea behind our country is that laws are fluid. if they don't work we can change them. Unfortunately the vast majority of our citizenry are unfamiliar with the idea of jury nullification.
Changing laws requires a great deal of time and effort. Free market corrections occur naturally. If a certain product / service does harm to an individual, then he/she may stop using a service and even sue its provider. Pressure from consumers forces business to act according to the consumers' will. Creating blanket laws for any business practice is bound to be full of error. It can never account for the various situations and exceptions that my "poison" comment alluded to.
They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
"The US is the world's richest nation and the only industrialised democracy that does not provide healthcare coverage to all its citizens." - BBC News, 26 February 2010
And the best test of the intellect of a society is to recognize who should help the vulnerable and weakest citizens and that is those private citizens that are concerned and not government entities ripe with corruption and inefficieny.
2) Also, if you are so concerned with inefficient and corrupt government entities then consider for a moment how your military, police force, fire service, national infrastructure and even waste collection is funded.
One simply has to Google the phrase "Life expectancy" to see that the USA doesn't even feature within the top 30 list of nations (it's actually number 38, below Greece, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Chile and Cuba). This is truly appalling given the GDP of the USA, and every American should be ashamed of that fact.
These figures aren't biased either, as they come from the USA's own "CIA World Factbook 2009", and the 2006 United Nations World Population Prospects report.
The World Health Organization also ranks the health care system in the USA at number 37, below Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Dominica.
Isn't the time long overdue that America wakes up to the fact that it doesn't provide its citizens with a health care system that is even close to those of other developed industrial western nations?
Oh my God, Americans! God forbid if you would adapt public health care! God forbid! The worst part is... YOU CAN'T CHOOSE YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE PLAN! Oh my God you will loose your freedom! God forbid public health care! 45 000 people may be dying every year because of lack of insurance, but who cares? Atleast we are free to choose our own health care plan!!!! !!!
No, but seriously, I find it quite relaxing that my goverment takes care of that so that I can waste my time on other stuff instead.
@oRReOP i guarantee you your system is no where near perfect. also, i guarantee insurance companies had and still do have a HUGE roll in your healthcare. Also, what happens when the cost of that healthcare becomes so large that your government decides to cut the funding down the road? there is no one perfect way to do healthcare and I think in America, you will see something wonderful come out that the world has never seen and once again the rest of you will wish you were here. ;)
One simply has to Google the word "Proton Therapy" and read the Wikipedia article. D'oh!
Tell me when the USA finally provides free healthcare coverage to ALL of its citizens rather than 46 million people (15% of the population) not having health insurance coverage.
@oRReOP Tell me about it man, I live in the USA and I have type one diabetes, no health insurance company with cover me if i try to buy my own so instead I have to either be enrolled in school full time or work for someone else full time. I hate the healthcare industry in the United states, I would actually welcome a socialized healthcare system so that if i ever needed a heavy precedure done I would never go bankrupt.
We need to get rid of money period. We should want to help and heal people just because they need it not because you need to get paid so you can eat. In the words of one of my favorite rappers "Money is the roots of all evil and evil is the root of all people where a cancer yall how much more are we gonna stand for yall" Really but I guess the system of adding money to our population is already to in place we are too addicted to it. We let others take control of our lives threw paper. PAPER!!!
Haha. Thats a good concept, but it wouldn't work. Coming from you it is easy to say that, but other people have other visions. Someone else, maybe more fortunate, has been influenced by the effect of money, and would strive for a way to gain that power through other means. In the end, its our way of thinking rather than what we have. The concept of power and greed is what we need to CHANGE.
@putthisonmytab my friend, you are living back in the mid evil times where everyone learned a trade and used that trade to bargain for things they need. Money is a motivational factor in which people are willing to do things. In most cases, the human kind are lazy and unmotivated to take action. To speed up discussion, there are not many "Mother Teresa" out there in this world. But there are lot of Bill Gates. Keep this in mind.
Here's my question? Inside of one year, do the health insurance companies even cover one person at all? Or do they just collect premiums every month and do nothing? I hear they are so nitpicky with their policies. Insurance executives found a loophole, they can legally kill someone without killing them and get away with it.
@putthisonmytab the only way we can change that at the moment is by taking control of ''democracy'', to do this we must find a common goal (equality I would suggest) so that we act as a whole... The rich (the real rich class) don't have this problem because they already have their own common goal..make money.
@music880216 Ok so the comment of mine you replied to I said a year ago, so now thinking back on it and having read a few other replies. I don't think we should get rid of money. It is and has been here in many different forms and is a good system. The problem is people, people fucking and making babies. lol It's a cycle and one we aren't going to break anytime soon. There will alwess be poor people, less fortunet people. My first comment I didn't give it enough thought I think. :)
@lbarfett I keep hearing about universal health care so thats kinda what Hiliary Clinton is trying to do then right? Idk seems like it but then if Canada has such a good system in polace then why doesn't the U.S. government adopt that system? What is the deal here i'm confused. I hear that Canada does have it good can you tell me some of the pro's and con's of Universal health care in Canada? Peace
Pros, anyone can be helped, poorer people aren't left to die. Yes die, many do. Cons about our healthcare, sometimes it can take a while, for example: Billy breaks his leg, but he gets to the hospital when it's really busy. He now has to wait in line for 6 hours before being treated. In my town (pop.400,000) this isn't true, but in others it is. If they combined both systems, so that the more fortunate used private healthcare, it would spread this out allowing a easier flowing system.
Healthcare bought out the government. Notice how Hiliary Clinton all of a sudden shut up? thats what 700,000 dollars can do. Watch the movie SiCKO by Michael Moore. It explains it on a relatively neutral ground without bias.
If you are against government having anything to do with healthcare reform, please write your Congressman and have them put their money where their mouth is. Tell him/her to create a bill to repeal-Medicare: Who needs those old folks anyway? FDA: Buy a chemistry set and test your own drugs! FAA: Make that call while you are flying at 13,000 feet going 600 MPH. Tell your rep that you don't need the government concerned about air safety! USDA: Well done please! EPA: Don't drink the water!
Blue Dog Max Baucus has received $2,797,381 from the health sector and $1,170,313 from the insurance sector. Ummm? Does that tell you anything? I am going to every Max video, and every health care reform video on YouTube and getting this out there! Please do write, email, fax, or call his office to make sure that he understands that we will expose him totally if he does not get on board here!
The video is about how healthcare came about. The quote you supplied is about how the healthcare system is corrupt. That quote is also in the movie SiCKO by Michael Moore.
I wish to begin by making a public confession: In the spring of 1987, as a physician, I caused the death of a man.
Although this was known to many people, I have not been taken before any court of law or called to account for this in any professional or public forum. In fact, just the opposite occurred: I was "rewarded" for this... Not only did I demonstrate I could indeed do what was expected of me, I exemplified the "good" company doctor: I saved a half million dollars.
This is really in no offense t you pwurd1, but I observed from the sidelines a girl with Advanced Crohn's disease where she couldn't find quality care in NV. She went back to OR and doctor's put her on insulin. Shortly thereafter, she went into a diabetic coma. I don't think she was ever a diabetic and uncertain why insulin was ever prescribed. Quite possibly to help aid in her being able to break down foods was once reason I could think off. I question the effectiveness of U.S. healthcare 2day
Of every dollar insurance companies collect they only spend about 50 cents on average. Because of laws not allowing individuals to buy over state lines each insurance company has a state held monopoly. And because of lobbying dollars they're going to keep holding the public hostage using the US gov't against us.
golb0016 1 day ago
if u sick go to japan south korea or pretnto be a canadian citizen it fuking outrageous care herer cost to o much dr are fuking crook for exmple it cost 500$ to do mri scan after that u have to pay dr another 250$ for him to tell u the result of the mri scan
limwang75 3 weeks ago
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limwang75 3 weeks ago
The biggest problem is that US healthcare is neither fully market-driven nor public. Healthcare in Singapore is mainly private, with some public programs. 70% of healthcare spending is private. Healthcare (both public and private) accounts for only 3% of Singapore's GDP, versus 19% in the US.
mengqi68 1 month ago
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"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Charlie12241 1 month ago
US healthcare is the most overpriced and the most inefficient among developed countries.
In a profit orientated system like the US one it's not profitable for the doctor and the pharma companies to cure the patient using the most efficient medical procedures but the most expensive one and to perform as many as possible unnecessary procedures just to increase the bill
In a profit orientated system system doctors aren't paid to keep patients healthy.The more sick people are the more doctors earn.
SuperThe86 1 month ago 2
nice hand writing
29Essan 2 months ago
@NowThePeople. You think it's wrong that insurance companies drop people to make more money, so your solution is to vote for a representative to hold this power over you? You think socialism and communism arent driven by greed? PEOPLE are driven by greed, and we're both people. "The System" works for me, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and has recieved nearly 5 million dollars in treatment. This doesnt happen ANYWHERE else on the planet.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
To think that the US has a high standard of living, it's really annoying to the fact that most people in the country can't afford basic healthcare it's ludicrous..
I guess if your careful enough not to get hurt but if you have a car accident one day who's going to save you??!!
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
ctd.. shit, when its far from it! Everything in America is about money even human health, thats were our governments differ, ours dont care about money they care about healing people when they ill, is Obama not tryin to make that happen over there? what ahppens if a homeless bum has cancer,would they get treatment, they would hereits a big time shitty policy u guys got, if ur rich u be looked after, but fucked if your poor!! here we are all treated like equals..WAKE UP AMERICA..demand it
weeleon81 3 months ago
Healthcare in the US sucks! here in UK & Europe its all FREE! becos that what a governments meant to do, help its ill citizens, u ever seem 'sicko' by michael moore,USA is just before latvia in healthcare rankings at 48 or something,france is No.1, Uk is 5 i think, i thought theUs was the "land of the free"..but u can only get better if ill by payin for it thru insurance!THAT IS BULLSHIT.. healthcare should be free to any1 who need its, but noooo, u in US think our NHS is some kinda communistTBC
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mrl2583838 4 months ago
@RetroShinigami You spelled deaf wrong. There is an example of what government funded schools do for you. I agree that our health care system sucks but government healthcare is not the answer for America.
mrl2583838 4 months ago
@mrl2583838 His first language is not English, and keeping that in mind I think he did pretty good. Also I love how you say that our healthcare system sucks but you do not offer a solution to the problem.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
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Willcoop81 4 months ago
FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PRIVATE MARKET OPERATES BY THE PROFIT NOT BY THE PPL IT CURES.
lee0122333 4 months ago
so basically health care comes from a black guy with a mustache? got it
packerfan748 4 months ago
@RetroShinigami when i was young,i had problems with my legs,and they needed surgerey,so my parents got me to countless doctors and all was stupid,finally i went to italy got the advice from an italian private doctor came back to greece and a greek surgeon from the private sector did the surgery,we pay our healthcare and schools via taxes but they SUCK big time...so i prefer private healthcare...i payed 20 euros for a visit to a doctor and another 20 for medicines last week,no waiting no nothing
DoelGr 4 months ago
Companies started offering medical coverage in the 40's because the government did not allow them to compete on wages. The employer based system we have today is incredibly flawed.
People should buy insurance the same way that we buy automobile coverage
AtibbsSPARTAN 4 months ago
Uhhhh, so employers offering HC insurance it wasn't a direct result of wage controls and the only way to attract and keep employees was to offer benefits like health insurance?
drshlotzkin 4 months ago
@assym2006
it works for you. It's still rationed. If we rationed in the USA then the socialists would protest.
More people would flood the hospitals for every pain. More lines. More people thinking its free.
Our Medicare and Medicaid programs are bankrupting us.
Ibringthetruth1 5 months ago
@Ibringthetruth1 I see what you are saying, but you can keep your private insurance if you want to, you don't have to go on the "goverment" insurance. If people who can't afford health care want their care rationed then let them have it, it is not bothering you. I would rather have the choice of "rationed" HC then no HC at all.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
Options:
1. Go without insurance
2. Pay in cash
3. Get insurance
4. Move to Canada
PiggySpeed 6 months ago
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Can an American answer this question?
Why doesn't the US government pay for everyone's health care who does not have insurance?
What's the problem?
I'm Australian and my wife underwent a bilateral lung transplant 2 years ago.
We have a combined income of less than $50,000.
The government payed for pre-transplant care, surgery and post transplant care.
The entire cost - which would have been several million.
An its Australia - a far less wealthy country than America...
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
Hammersley1967 7 months ago
This was a pretty good video for me to comprehend US politics. Thanks.
bbbbbb666b 7 months ago
Fuck the american health care system! The company ceo's and executives are nothing but murderous pirates. Thumbs up if you agree....
Demon666Evil 8 months ago 22
@Demon666Evil
It's Medicare + Medicaid + insurance. All of these make prices higher. No competition.
Ibringthetruth1 7 months ago
@Demon666Evil Yeah, they make a profit and you lose 5% of your care, but in 20 years when the EU has bankrupt its socialist government, let's see how their benifits work out. "Finland let me have free healthcare" I'd rather pay for mine and know i'l have it tomorrow, than let others buy it for me and not know when it'll default. I can still go to a doctor and pay him money to see me, you can't.
TumisHumis 5 months ago
@TumisHumis In the UK we've had "socialist" healthcare for 63 years and counting and we haven't gone bankrupt yet. Granted we might do so pretty soon but that's more to do with global economics...
PastafariansWON 5 months ago 8
@PastafariansWON More to do with global economics... This tax and spend socialism IS the problem with global economics. If you've yet to make this connection, you should have yourself checked out, (it's probably still free in your country)
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis Please explain why? By the way, ironically it was when I agreed with you on this issue that I got checked out, and got treated for it without having to spend a penny. :P
PastafariansWON 2 months ago
@TumisHumis You can keep your private insurance that you have now, you don't have to go to the government insurance.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
@NowThePeople False, when the government involves 1/6th of the economy (insurance) so drastically, it destroys the free market, thus destroying my protection/rates. You don't seem to understand the full implications of government run insurance. No beauracracy in the history of government has ever been productive.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis I understand what you are saying, however the insurance rates that I pay now in my 20s are ridiculous and there is not a rate protection as of now. If there was then the insurance company could not increase their rates so drastically. They can as of now drop you whenever they want, deny your claims, raise your rates, or all together say they will not pay for certain treatments that you need. In my opinion the insurance companies have to much power, and they abuse it. Just my opinion
NowThePeople 3 months ago
@NowThePeople You have a choice to make. You can pay for insurance, or you can vote for it. That choice is a simple one in my eyes, and it's exactly the same as: You can work for money, or vote for money. Do you work for money, or vote for money? I work for money and pay for insurance and wouldn't have it any other way. Name a beauracracy that has ever been able to compete with the free market. In any instance in human history, you will not find this.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis I see the health insurance companies as the bureaucracy. You see that is where we differ, and our opinions are allowed to be different. Actually it is nice to have a civilized conversation, like the one we are having without all the name calling.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
@NowThePeople If you have a problem with an insurance agency in America, you can ****Find another one**** WHAT A CONCEPT!?! Can you find another overbearing federal government? Nope. You have what you have, so be content.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis Well that sounds good in theory, but people who have a pre-existing condition (even if it is minor) can not get insurance most of the time, so it would do them no good to switch insurance companies. If you do find one that will except you then be prepared to pay a ton of money for it, and as soon as you need treatment they will drop you, or continue to deny your claims. Massachusetts has had mandated insurance for years.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
@NowThePeople Yes, and Romney-Care has turned out to be one of the worst things to happen to Massachusetts since the British blockade. Just because insurance companies are ripping people off doesn't mean that capitalism and free trade doesn't work, you shouldn't be shopping for insurance when you're sick. You should have it, so get it today, or don't bitch. It's not the government's fault you decided to look for insurance after being diagonised with something, and if you believe it is, move.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis We will not agree my friend, I think its wrong insurance companies drop people who are sick, their CEOs get million dollar salary packages, the people on Capital Hill get free "tax paid" insurance, while the mom and dad with a sick child have to sell their house because the insurance is so high. The system is broken, and needs to be fixed. We won't agree on how it should be done but that is okay.
NowThePeople 3 months ago
I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that. The American health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and the American Medical Assoc.
Canada, Britain, France and even Cuba all have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health care plans where every citizen receives health care with no additional costs
Chidanandaji 11 months ago
american health care is a pice of shit!!!!!!
777worldliner 1 year ago
Our system is all for profit
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
I don't understand the American point of view, I think it's propaganda spread by interested parties (governement, lobbyists). They say 'we are not taxed' and control our destiny etc. You're paying a coporation with one mandate (earn at all costs) and a small few get rich in the process, all while many suffer, so a small amount of privilidged get service. You don't understand the social affect on your country, I love resting easy understanding I am looked after the same as my friends and family.
TbagNS 1 year ago
@TbagNS American point of view: i am American who cant afford health care but i can see why people would be made about " free heath care" most Americans pay a lot of money for great health care, why would they want to pay more money in taxes for less health care. there free hospitals and clinic in America just not all of them are free. just because something work for a country of 32 million doesn't mean it will work for a country of 300+ million.
mrfwest 1 year ago
@mrfwest Like the way you start so- British point of view : That fact that many US citizens cannot afford healthcare I suspect seems to the many citizens of UHC countries bizarre. The size of your population is irrelevant given you are still one of the most productive of the advanced democratic economies. The point about UHC's is they are not free but they do supply cost effective medicine to all. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. Regards.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph i wanted to watch "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context" but it would have taken hours to finish buffering.
i dont see how the productiveness of our government has any thing to do with it. we have a 14 trillion dollar debt. if every American used just 1$ from a UHC each day, it would cost 1.09 trillion dollars annually. avg Americana spends: 1,881 yr ( 5.64+ trillion ) I'm looking forward to UHC but, now may not be the right time
mrfwest 1 year ago
@mrfwest In truth most western countries are up to their neck in debt so the US is no worse overall than most. In fact given your production capacity you should be in a stronger position to reverse it than others. The yearly cost of US health care is some 16% of your GDP the average for those with similar problems but UHC costs are around 8%. The lecturer points out in effect the US wastes some trillion $ every year when comparing values and results with similar advanced economies. Regards.
davijeph 1 year ago
@mrfwest , try to find free ER care in US. If a patient cannot afford to pay around 300 each month for health insurance, how can they afford a 40 000 emergency life-saving surgery? And insurance doens't always pay, so this is not a problem of the uninsured only. The only logic behind US healthcare is called: CORPORATE GREED. God forbid you ever need emergency care in US: looong wait, rude service and thousands of dollars in debt months later. Totally f-ed up.
Tihbialdunav 11 months ago
@Tihbialdunav maybe i just didn't understand what you mean by free ER but, all emergency rooms are somewhat free. it's a u.s law that you have to help someone in an emergency room.
mrfwest 11 months ago
@mrfwest , my emergency bill in US was 15000. Is that FREE? In Europe and Canada you NEVER get any type of sinister bill.
Tihbialdunav 11 months ago
@Tihbialdunav they helped you right? they can't physically make you pay for it. sorry that happened to you and you have the right to mad but, f-ed up things happen to people everyday. if you move to canada, im sure you won't have to worry about your debt. you just have to take the good with the bad or go away. nothing stopping you
mrfwest 11 months ago
@mrfwest ,wait, $15000 was the emergency bill, but I needed treatment, so add another 30000. I stayed 1 day in hospital, no complications, bill came to over 50 000. How is that possible? In Europe taxes take care of everything, except for medication sometimes. My country tax level is the same as US, and we get healthcare, schooling(including college), 1 year maternity leave at 100% of salary. Isn't US the richest country in the world? Why sponsor the greedy corporations?
Tihbialdunav 11 months ago
@eugene680
I was born in this country america I know how the system works
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
@ricanlegend203 No it doesn't. That is fact.
Being born in america (USA to be exact) is not a qualification.
dimitri977977 1 year ago
@eugene680
Here in America its all about the profit. Insurance companies don't care about the people but only what begs beefs up their checking account.. our system is horrible here,here we do not care about our people the private sector does not care about human lifethe american health system is worthlesscan you aaron this for me I am an american
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
@mwillis1000 our american healthcare system will let you die.. im american and i always get turned down care.... i hate our garbage system here..
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
American health care is SHIT! The NHS is sooooooo good, im sooo glad im British! If i get ill in america i would try and get back to Britain!
mwillis1000 1 year ago
Here in Holland everybody is obligated to have a basic healthcare insurance, the gov. decides what that package is. Our insurance companies can offer that, with extra services. So it's liberalised. When you don't earn enough, our gov. gives you health allowance. We got a own risk of 250 euro for medicins.
Brulluhman 1 year ago
We need a better healthcare system here in America ours currently is not working..
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
Dale, you're correct. Our system in America is a piece of shot!! Nobody cares about the sick or poor, only about profit..
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
universal CHEAP health care is good for you...forget about whether you deserve it or not, if it is DOABLE, we should do it....gov't run healthcare will be so much cheaper because it will not have a CEO receiving tens of million in salaries + stock options each pay year...got it? Health insurance is not a field we need to "encourage" to be capitalistic, it should be socialistic, it SHOULD BE CHEAP, IT CAN BE CHEAP, but lying GOP and special interest will lie becuz their profits will take a hit
dalecampbl9 1 year ago
The major point here is that health care became more expensive because doctors were romantized on television and given an unfair place in our society. Doctors kill 90,000 Americans a year with mistakes.There is no way to police doctors actions;they police themselves.Doctors don't have social skills and lack the skills to properly diagnose, communicate, and solve a problem with at least half of their patients. If a doctor doesn't help you, don't pay. It's time to start a revolution against this.
TheDogRibs 1 year ago
@TheDogRibs The revolution is to live off the land. Go back and reverse time and back when england was on top of the world. Wait a minute, wasnt it doctors that discovered the cure for the black pledge that actually save the entire world to get vacinated? Wasn't it researchers that were willing to risk a few lives then to save the majority of people that is living in todays world? Was it not engineers that were saving lives?
ceejezzyes06 1 year ago
America : Where Money > human life
boltsguy21 1 year ago
that's not true, most Americans especially on the East Coast, West Coast are totally on board with the best/most liberal ideas, it's the vast middle mountain states and the Southern states that are still racist to this day, that are trying to block progress...cheap health care means minorities like blacks will have health care, the South can't have that...they hate progressivism because they are racists...though ironically they all believe in christianity
dalecampbl9 1 year ago
Obesity, alcohol abuse, and tobacco, are the primary causes of chronic health problems in America. This is a major factor in the cost of the health care. The ONLY solution to health care is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Obama is robbing responsible Americans to subsidize destructive lifestyles of irresponsible Americans and illegal aliens. He penalizes us for living a clean life and rewards those destroying themselves and breaking the law. Is that justice?
Politicians are obese alcoholic smokers.
Entropy56 1 year ago
Government run healthcare is a good idea. Politicians are notoriously intelligent, honest, and always work to keep the interests of the people in mind. Everyone's grandmas will be safe with Uncle Sam.
This just in: entitlement programs encourage waste, inefficiency, abuse, and corruption, ultimately raising prices for all and crowding out many in need.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
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227Morgan 1 year ago
They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
While I don't necessarily agree with your point about government feeling "entitled" to our money through the tax system, I do have to recognize that as an understandable concept. I would also like to point out (to you and anybody who read this) that you never have to pay income taxes (just something I think people should no; Google video: America Freedom to Fascism)
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
entitle (v): to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim.
tax (n): a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
demand (v): to ask for with proper authority; claim as a right.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@227Morgan
entitle (v): to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim.
tax (n): a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
demand (v): to ask for with proper authority; claim as a right.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
"The abuses in the private system are self correcting" Honestly? Name one problem insurance companies have "self corrected" other than lack of profits. We pay more than twice what people in most industrialized countries, yet we are still sicker. When are insurance companies going to self correct that?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
The insurance companies don't have to correct anything because they're not fully private. The government regulates, taxes, and subsidizes much of what they do today. There is no free market in healthcare. Inefficiencies are being worsened by government interference. And now they are attempting to make us ALL join the failing system so there is no incentive to correct these issues. The fear of failure is what creates correction. Look what is going on in the Egyptian system right now.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
I admit the government does technically/ theoretically have some power over insurance companies, but they exercise hardly any authority (as compared to other industrialized countries). Our system by its nature is still a private system, whether you mean before or after the watered down healthcare bill.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 "There is no free market in healthcare"- true but that is because there is no truly "free" market in our country at all. Our entire system is designed to keep/make the rich rich(er) and keep the poor and middle classes fighting over scraps.
Ok, I typed up a really long and elaboratge response to everything you said in that last post like 4 times now, and it keeps being deleted. Or maybe part of it posted and I can't see it or something. God damn new youtube.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
That sentence ^ is the only thing I had in my cut-and-paste. If you respond to this, I might try again later.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
"The abuses in the private system are self correcting" Honestly? Name one problem insurance companies have "self corrected" other than lack of profits. We pay more than twice what people in most industrialized countries, yet we are still sicker. When are insurance companies going to self correct that?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 "There is no free market in healthcare"- true but that is because there is no truly "free" market in our country at all. Our entire system is designed to keep/make the rich rich(er) and keep the poor and middle classes fighting over scraps. I get why joining the "failing system" would not be a desirable solution, but then again if you really wanted to provide competition which free market capitalist are always barking about, the public option would have been your best bet.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
A public option in any market does not encourage competition - it destroys it. No one can compete with a business that can control its customers. A competitive market requires freedom of choice for its consumers. Government mandates, taxes, subsidies, bailouts, and regulations attempt to choose where and how a customer does business, thereby eliminating any incentive to compete. Reduced competition hurts everyone, especially lower income people who require competitive pricing.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
That arguement would make sense if a public option was the ONLY option. The whole idea behind a public option is to provide another choice which INCREASES competition. This is how healthcare is run in San Francisco. 36 (or 34?)
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
different insurance options, half public and half private. And their healthcare costs are far lower than the national average. I'll semi-give you the point that regulations and whatnot control how people do business, but that isn't always a bad thing. Is it bad to have regulations saying you can't sell food with poison in it?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
If a system is "half public" that means that half of its money is being forcibly taken from the public in some way. People think those systems are cheaper because they don't see the true costs. The cost comes through a slow increase in cost of living.
To regulate poison would require a universal definition of "poison". Many poisons are intentionally consumed and create jobs as a result. Common foodstuffs are often poisonous: red kidney beans are poisonous if they are consumed raw.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
1) True technically. But are you forced to use the post office? Forced to attend public school (i.e. there are other options)? forced to go to the library? No, they are OPTIONS
2) The government does not create nor regualte the money supply (unfortunately). The Federal Reserve, a group of PRIVATE banking interests which has NEVER been audited, has soul power to regualte the money supply
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
I am forced by law to use the Postal Service for 1st Class mail delivery. The have a monopoly on such service. I am not forced to use the services you mentioned, but I am forced to pay for them which is essentially the same. And there is nothing stopping the gov from mandating my using them when my liberties are no longer honored.
Where in the Constitution is the Fed authorized to regulate the supply of money? If it is indeed private it ought to have no authority in such a matter.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
Ok, let's take this example. You are forced to pay for fire departments & water filtration. In exchange for being forced to pay, every citizen is protected from the possibility of a fire or unsafe drinking water. Would you prefer to have every citizen pay for "fire insurance" and be sure that the department near their house is one of their "prefered fire safety providers"?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Yes, I would rather have people be responsible for their own affairs. I don't like the idea of people treating others as slaves. I can buy water and pay for my own insurance. My fire insurance would protect my house in the event of a neighbor's fire. I don't understand why self-reliance is such a foreign concept to you.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 1
If you are truly consistent with everything you have been saying, then you are an anarcho-capitalist, in which case we have slightly more in common than I had anticipated. I'm all for self relience, but only in a practical sense. Even your example is not showing complete self relience. Even paying for your own fire insurance you are still relying on somebody else to actually put out the fire.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 2
Even if the state was abolished I am pretty confident that these services would be maintained through voluntary assosication. Does you honestly believe fire protection for all is a bad thing?
Article 1, section 8 "Powers of Congress... to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures" Have you really not read the constitution? I don't know why you're still arguing that point.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 3
Companies can force you to accept their prices if they represent the only option for people. If you're locked in a room and I have all the food, I can charge you $100 dollars for a hotdog. Medicine is limited by govt red tape? really? Again, compare our system to ANY other industrialized nation (I believe this excludes South Africa).
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 5
We have far FEWER government regulations on healthcare and, once again, we pay far more (looks like you're not the only one repeating yourself).
It's the insurance companies fault. Who were you planning on blaming? It is true; why do you think so many americans smuggle perscription drugs in from Canada? The problem with your "shopping around" argurment is that transportation costs across countries can get pretty high.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 6
That doesn't mean the people in those countries don't pay less.
Once again, I actually like your idea of abolishing those services (are you not an anarchist?), but I made the assumption that you're probably a rightist (if leftist is a word, why does that sound so weird?), and usually they support the military unwaiveringly. I'm actually all for its abolition.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 7
Yes, by law corporations can do as they wish with their money, but do you honestly feel that that is all good all the time? There are corporations that hypnotize the public, feed them shit, "are cutting the earth from beneath our feet, poisoning the air we breath, contaminating the water we drink..." (Culture is your operating system [that video isn't very relevent to this discussion, but if you have the time I highly recommend it]).
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 Part 8
I don't believe our current government is "more wise or honest with money", but the thing about government is that it's the one institution which we can actually affect, as opposed to corporations which are totally tyrannical all the time.
People are forced to buy food and clothing (according to social norms on the clothing front), does that automatically encourage huge prices? Prices twice as high as elsewhere?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
See this is where governments get out of hand, instead of caring for those around you, other people in your own country, you tell yourselves "Screw the poor, they are homeless anyways" what a retarded way to act. Thankfully some countries have grown up and have adopted a "All-for-one, One-for-all" health system. You may call it "socialist" health care, but in it's own you are a hypocrite, for no governments "lean" one way or another, you are NEVER a full democracy.
DroGolfBulb 1 year ago
@DroGolfBulb
Amen to that my friend. I am in Canada right now till Tomorrow and the healthcare system here is top notch! 70.00 for an er visit, 20.00 for private doctor visits and thats cash that is bubble gum change compared to back home where they rape you legally with 7500 dollar ER bills and 250-300.00 private doctor fees cash it is madness. I hate our american system, I will come to Canada for care legally by paying cash for it. it is so much cheaper then home. pERIOD.
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
(part 2)
According to the constitution Congress has power to regulate the money supply. In 1913 they passed the Federal Reserve Act thus creating the Fed. I agree they ought not have this authority, and the passage of that bill was unconstitutional, BUT that is a fact now. The federal reserve Does control our money supply.
I agree that "Free market correction [should] occur naturally" but that doesn't happen in an unfree market.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Quote the Constitution. Tell me where exactly the Congress is granted the authority to regulate the supply of money.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 (Part 3)
If every insurance company decides to charge 30% more than what is actually necessary your only option is to pay the outragous price, or go without. If consumer pressure really forced companies to change policy, why would we be paying twice what other nations pay for the exact same goods and services. This is a fact (I use that term loosely because I don't believe in any sort of absolute truth) not an opinion.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Where there is a demand there is a supply. No one wants high prices. Companies cannot force anyone to take their prices (unless gov gets involved). I already explained the nature of our prices: reduced competition b/c of gov involvement. Medical institutions are limited by gov red tape and protectionist policies reduce competition in the market. I've already gone through all of this. You're just making me repeat myself.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 (part 4)
Pharmaceutical companies charge more for the same products here than in Europe because they know Americans aren't aware that they are paying more for the same thing.
If you honestly believe "nobody has the right to take what others have earned and hand it to others" then how would you suggest we pay for ANY government service? That includes, schools, roads, libraries, and the military. My premiums are the result of 1) market forces and 2) corporate greed.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
And who's fault is that exactly? Does your local grocery store tell its customers that they can save money by shopping somewhere else? That would be absurd. If what you're saying is true then it is the responsibility of the people to learn how to shop around.
I don't believe we need any government service. If you want any of those things you mentioned you may pay for them at your own expense. Leave people like me out of it. P.S. Corporations can do as they wish with their own money
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27 (Part 5)
1 in 3 dollars paid to an insurance company is pure profit and does nothing to make anybody any more healthy.
So do you think that when states force people to buy auto insurance it causes prices to rise in and of itself? That is a legitmate question by the way, I fully admit that I do not know the answer.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Do you really think that governments are any more wise or honest with money? Btw, profit is not illegal in this country last time I checked.
And when anyone is forced to buy anything the incentive for providers to lower price is greatly reduced. You're having me answer questions I've already addressed.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
I would much prefer a "slow increase in cost of living" than arbitrarily defined insurance premiums which are far greater than any other industrialized nation pays.
Maybe the poison example was imperfect, but it was to demonstrate a point. Surely you don't believe all regualtions are all bad all the time. Child labor laws- bad? minimum wage/ working standards- bad? consumer protections- bad?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
You might not mind having your living costs increase but no one has the right to take what some have earned and hand it to others. Your premiums are not arbitrarily chosen. They are the result of market forces. Decreased competition and entitled business force premiums higher. Forcing everyone to buy anything causes prices to rise b/c there is no incentive to lower them. There is a regulation in the free market: the will of the consumer / worker. Government is not required.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@227Morgan
1.) You cannot compete with a business that can force its customers to shop with them.
2.) You cannot compete with a business that can create an unlimited supply of money (inflation) to do business with.
3.) You cannot compete with a business that can create laws telling its competitors how and where it can compete.
Let's start a game together and I'll make all the rules. I have an infinite amount of pieces and you can only play with one hand. The first rule is: I win. Good game.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
@AngryPenguin27
3) Yes but supposably the whole idea behind our country is that laws are fluid. if they don't work we can change them. Unfortunately the vast majority of our citizenry are unfamiliar with the idea of jury nullification.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Changing laws requires a great deal of time and effort. Free market corrections occur naturally. If a certain product / service does harm to an individual, then he/she may stop using a service and even sue its provider. Pressure from consumers forces business to act according to the consumers' will. Creating blanket laws for any business practice is bound to be full of error. It can never account for the various situations and exceptions that my "poison" comment alluded to.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
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They will have your money as their primary concern and they won't receive it unless they do well for you. Other companies are willing to take your money should they fail. Governments don't care about your wellbeing OR your money because they are "entitled" to it through the tax system. Private companies fear failure, governments do not. The abuses in the private system are self-correcting, government systems limp along and suck the blood from the economy in the process.
AngryPenguin27 1 year ago
What is F is this... poker game with your health?
OSS732 1 year ago
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HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
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"The US is the world's richest nation and the only industrialised democracy that does not provide healthcare coverage to all its citizens." - BBC News, 26 February 2010
Every American should be ashamed of that fact.
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
"The best test of a civilised society is the way in which it treats its most vulnerable and weakest citizens." Mahatma Gandhi
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
And the best test of the intellect of a society is to recognize who should help the vulnerable and weakest citizens and that is those private citizens that are concerned and not government entities ripe with corruption and inefficieny.
ericgolonghorns 2 years ago
@ericgolonghorns
1) Unfortunately, that is a naïve and overly simplistic view that would only hold true in an idealistic world where greed and apathy do not exist.
Do you genuinely believe that people would pay the taxes that pay for the public services that they use if they had any choice in the matter?
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HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
@ericgolonghorns
2) Also, if you are so concerned with inefficient and corrupt government entities then consider for a moment how your military, police force, fire service, national infrastructure and even waste collection is funded.
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
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HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
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One simply has to Google the phrase "Life expectancy" to see that the USA doesn't even feature within the top 30 list of nations (it's actually number 38, below Greece, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Chile and Cuba). This is truly appalling given the GDP of the USA, and every American should be ashamed of that fact.
These figures aren't biased either, as they come from the USA's own "CIA World Factbook 2009", and the 2006 United Nations World Population Prospects report.
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
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The World Health Organization also ranks the health care system in the USA at number 37, below Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Dominica.
Isn't the time long overdue that America wakes up to the fact that it doesn't provide its citizens with a health care system that is even close to those of other developed industrial western nations?
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
Oh my God, Americans! God forbid if you would adapt public health care! God forbid! The worst part is... YOU CAN'T CHOOSE YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE PLAN! Oh my God you will loose your freedom! God forbid public health care! 45 000 people may be dying every year because of lack of insurance, but who cares? Atleast we are free to choose our own health care plan!!!! !!!
No, but seriously, I find it quite relaxing that my goverment takes care of that so that I can waste my time on other stuff instead.
oRReOP 2 years ago 18
@oRReOP i guarantee you your system is no where near perfect. also, i guarantee insurance companies had and still do have a HUGE roll in your healthcare. Also, what happens when the cost of that healthcare becomes so large that your government decides to cut the funding down the road? there is no one perfect way to do healthcare and I think in America, you will see something wonderful come out that the world has never seen and once again the rest of you will wish you were here. ;)
Poonard 2 years ago
Tell me when Enland gets proton therapy to treat their cancer patients.
ericgolonghorns 2 years ago
@ericgolonghorns
It already has.
One simply has to Google the word "Proton Therapy" and read the Wikipedia article. D'oh!
Tell me when the USA finally provides free healthcare coverage to ALL of its citizens rather than 46 million people (15% of the population) not having health insurance coverage.
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago
@oRReOP Tell me about it man, I live in the USA and I have type one diabetes, no health insurance company with cover me if i try to buy my own so instead I have to either be enrolled in school full time or work for someone else full time. I hate the healthcare industry in the United states, I would actually welcome a socialized healthcare system so that if i ever needed a heavy precedure done I would never go bankrupt.
Dystractyd 10 months ago
@Dystractyd
Sorry about your illness. Should we bankrupt everyone to pay your bills?
Socialized HC systems have budgets. That's fact.
Ibringthetruth1 7 months ago
@Ibringthetruth1 And "capitalist" HC systems HAVE budgets?
Dystractyd 7 months ago
We need to get rid of money period. We should want to help and heal people just because they need it not because you need to get paid so you can eat. In the words of one of my favorite rappers "Money is the roots of all evil and evil is the root of all people where a cancer yall how much more are we gonna stand for yall" Really but I guess the system of adding money to our population is already to in place we are too addicted to it. We let others take control of our lives threw paper. PAPER!!!
putthisonmytab 2 years ago 7
Haha. Thats a good concept, but it wouldn't work. Coming from you it is easy to say that, but other people have other visions. Someone else, maybe more fortunate, has been influenced by the effect of money, and would strive for a way to gain that power through other means. In the end, its our way of thinking rather than what we have. The concept of power and greed is what we need to CHANGE.
Kello1231 2 years ago
@putthisonmytab my friend, you are living back in the mid evil times where everyone learned a trade and used that trade to bargain for things they need. Money is a motivational factor in which people are willing to do things. In most cases, the human kind are lazy and unmotivated to take action. To speed up discussion, there are not many "Mother Teresa" out there in this world. But there are lot of Bill Gates. Keep this in mind.
ceejezzyes06 1 year ago
@putthisonmytab
RIGHT ON! I AM AN AMERICAN AND I WITH YOU 100%. I LOVE CANADAS SYSTEM AND I LOVE CANADA, WISH WE COULD BE MORE LIKE CANADA.
ricanlegend203 1 year ago
Here's my question? Inside of one year, do the health insurance companies even cover one person at all? Or do they just collect premiums every month and do nothing? I hear they are so nitpicky with their policies. Insurance executives found a loophole, they can legally kill someone without killing them and get away with it.
eugene680 1 year ago
@putthisonmytab the only way we can change that at the moment is by taking control of ''democracy'', to do this we must find a common goal (equality I would suggest) so that we act as a whole... The rich (the real rich class) don't have this problem because they already have their own common goal..make money.
music880216 10 months ago
@music880216 Ok so the comment of mine you replied to I said a year ago, so now thinking back on it and having read a few other replies. I don't think we should get rid of money. It is and has been here in many different forms and is a good system. The problem is people, people fucking and making babies. lol It's a cycle and one we aren't going to break anytime soon. There will alwess be poor people, less fortunet people. My first comment I didn't give it enough thought I think. :)
putthisonmytab 10 months ago
German healthcare seems to be the best.
It's a bit expensive but the costs level out and, at the least, taxes are low.
LordAlda 2 years ago
Obama has a plan; I'm from Canada and our system is incredible. You just need universal healthcare in the States.
lbarfett 2 years ago
@lbarfett I keep hearing about universal health care so thats kinda what Hiliary Clinton is trying to do then right? Idk seems like it but then if Canada has such a good system in polace then why doesn't the U.S. government adopt that system? What is the deal here i'm confused. I hear that Canada does have it good can you tell me some of the pro's and con's of Universal health care in Canada? Peace
putthisonmytab 2 years ago
Pros, anyone can be helped, poorer people aren't left to die. Yes die, many do. Cons about our healthcare, sometimes it can take a while, for example: Billy breaks his leg, but he gets to the hospital when it's really busy. He now has to wait in line for 6 hours before being treated. In my town (pop.400,000) this isn't true, but in others it is. If they combined both systems, so that the more fortunate used private healthcare, it would spread this out allowing a easier flowing system.
Kello1231 2 years ago
Healthcare bought out the government. Notice how Hiliary Clinton all of a sudden shut up? thats what 700,000 dollars can do. Watch the movie SiCKO by Michael Moore. It explains it on a relatively neutral ground without bias.
Kello1231 2 years ago
so all these angry republicans probably have their parents using medicare - which is a government-run plan... how ironic isn't it
orpheeeuridice 2 years ago
If you are against government having anything to do with healthcare reform, please write your Congressman and have them put their money where their mouth is. Tell him/her to create a bill to repeal-Medicare: Who needs those old folks anyway? FDA: Buy a chemistry set and test your own drugs! FAA: Make that call while you are flying at 13,000 feet going 600 MPH. Tell your rep that you don't need the government concerned about air safety! USDA: Well done please! EPA: Don't drink the water!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
Blue Dog Max Baucus has received $2,797,381 from the health sector and $1,170,313 from the insurance sector. Ummm? Does that tell you anything? I am going to every Max video, and every health care reform video on YouTube and getting this out there! Please do write, email, fax, or call his office to make sure that he understands that we will expose him totally if he does not get on board here!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
This is propaganda! The Rockefeller's started this healthcare system.
slappy09 2 years ago
@slappy09 Exactly
putthisonmytab 2 years ago
Some great videos on healthcare....
watch?v=Le1OQQ4ATHU
watch?v=TpLEf2uCJcY
watch?v=qTLevmEV20I
watch?v=KiXT0P3edfs
Hope you enjoy!
shanklinmike 3 years ago
excellent vid
Aadonis219 3 years ago
This is bs. What a corrupt industry and company. Please read the wikopedia quote below from a former employee when he testified against Humana
pwurd1 3 years ago
Wikipedia is not always accurate. Do some research and you will find this is accurate information.
RandomMelodies 2 years ago
From someone who spelt wikipedia wrong, obvious they are running on some self-imposed, or magazine influenced idea. :P
Kello1231 2 years ago
The video is about how healthcare came about. The quote you supplied is about how the healthcare system is corrupt. That quote is also in the movie SiCKO by Michael Moore.
Kello1231 2 years ago
Linda Peeno
I wish to begin by making a public confession: In the spring of 1987, as a physician, I caused the death of a man.
Although this was known to many people, I have not been taken before any court of law or called to account for this in any professional or public forum. In fact, just the opposite occurred: I was "rewarded" for this... Not only did I demonstrate I could indeed do what was expected of me, I exemplified the "good" company doctor: I saved a half million dollars.
pwurd1 3 years ago
This is really in no offense t you pwurd1, but I observed from the sidelines a girl with Advanced Crohn's disease where she couldn't find quality care in NV. She went back to OR and doctor's put her on insulin. Shortly thereafter, she went into a diabetic coma. I don't think she was ever a diabetic and uncertain why insulin was ever prescribed. Quite possibly to help aid in her being able to break down foods was once reason I could think off. I question the effectiveness of U.S. healthcare 2day
X23109 3 years ago
Nice hand writing
Srrycowzz 3 years ago