Hugo Chávez Vindicated by Wikileaks Iraq War Logs

[spader49]

The political left are always emotional, and self-righteous; they certainly dont burden their minds with trivial matters like evidence or facts, so long as they have some distortions to vindicate whatever crusade their on, they dont mind.

Their glorification of this tyrant and swine is a good example of that: he locked up a judge for simply disagreeing with him, he's a real democrat isnt he? Look up about Maria Afiuini,before you make your intellectually vacuous utopian melodramatic claims

[mpineiroable]

@spader49 I don't suppose it occurs to you that you fit the description perfectly of everything you claim to not like: melodramatic, self-righteous, intellectually vacuous, etc. You've got nothing to say.

[spader49]

@mpineiroable when people cant compete intellectually they usually have to resort to ad hominem. The reason i attacked him is because he has no regard for the separation of powers and democracy, as is exemplified by his treatment of Maria Afiuini (not a logical fallacy as his personal integrity is in question). You are entitled to support a dictator, and yesterdays failed socialist platitudes if you want to, but history will show clearly Chavez in an objective light for the tyrant he is.

[filestreet]

@spader49 maria alfiuni released a coup plotter from prison, eligio cedeno, who then left the country. it makes sense that she was arrested.

if someone did that in any other country, would you complain?

[spader49]

@filestreet The UN declared the detention of cedeno as arbitrary; it had no legal merit to lock him up, so Alfiuni released him, as there was no concrete evidence to suggest otherwise. Chavez, like an undemocratic tyrant, who scapegoats the US for his own homegrown failures, disagreed with this decision for political reasons so he locked up an innocent judge for doing her job. Does that make sense to you? Obviously youre a deluded sheep who doesn't have a fucking clue about justice.

[gbmov]

@mpineiroable you like chavez just cuz attacks what u dont like. im venezuelan. i know, and i've lived what that man is doing to my country. populism, lies, more lies, he creates hatred between venezuelans, he insults half of the venezuelan country, which is not supporting him.

[spader49]

@mpineiroable what you said was tu quoque: a logical fallacy. The point about him locking up a judge was 'something' I had to say. It shows he has no respect for the separation of powers, that he is dictatorial, as well as ignorant about justice.

If you support him, then you're an idiot, and a deluded sheep with little respect for democracy.

[ronaldcolin7]

thats right bush attacked iraq for no reason, the terrorist attack was just an excuse to go and take the oil.. bush said that iraq had weapons of mass destruction including nuclear weapons, but when they went tere they didnt found shit.. it was all a lie!!!

[spader49]

@ronaldcolin7 The US Congress passed 23 reasons to justify the casus belli in Iraq prior to the war. Weapons of Mass destruction was just one of them, other things included for example genocide against his own people, (100,000 killed in Anfal in 1988 alone) and jingoism (Hussein invaded 4 of his neighbouring countries). So hundreds of congressman, a majority supported it, (including clinton). A majority in the British parliament also supported it, tories like Cameron etc. So ure wrong.

[ranmses666]

George buzh itz a ztupid indeed,and itz the perfekt reflekt of the U.Z.A.,ztupid and abuzive,hugo zhavez got zome ballz like the atf agent that unmazk u.z.a. Weaponz traffik toward mexiko* tumb down*

[mpineiroable]

Your analysis about "what is going on in Libya right now" is as comical as whatever NYT/BBC ... you haven't wondered what is meant when Qadaffi and Chávez say that what's happening in Libya isn't a popular uprising but a civil war? Have you noticed now that the CNNs and BBCs of the world are being forced to admit that it -is- a civil war?

Never bothered you the "uprising" didn't match patterns of other uprisings? Or, "protesters" were seizing cities like an organized military (eg checkpoints)?

[rtnslnd]

I had a bit of respect for Chavez until I learned of his support for Gaddafi, the mass murdering terrorist of Libya. I support Chavez (is there a better alternative? not yet...) for the most part, but he seriously needs to recalculate who he thinks of as, in his words, a "revolutionary brother". How can Chavez claim to be a socialist and popular revolutionary while supporting some of the most barbaric torturers of Africa? :(

wikileaks . ch / cable / 2009 / 10 / 09CARACAS1284 . html

[mpineiroable]

@rtnslnd Eh, that's shallow analysis. Chavez is following Castro's successful strategy of achieving common goals amongst non-aligned nations. Just like the purest of heart must, at times, side with those he finds when suffering from great poverty.

Besides, do you know Qaddafi's Green Book? Many regard him as a visionary of a stateless society. In fact, Libya does not have a federal government and nearly all decisions are made on a local, democratic level.

[rtnslnd]

@mpineiroable Shallow? You're kidding, right? Because I prefer to criticize and be skeptical rather than whole-heartedly accept somebody, that's shallow?

Yes, I know of Qaddafi's Green Book, and the fact that he has such a book which promotes direct democracy while ruling as a murderous tyrant is pure and utter hypocrisy. If he actually believed what he wrote, he would not be ordering the wholesale slaughter of Libyans. Are you even aware of what's going on in Libya?

[rtnslnd]

@mpineiroable Yeah, I'm sure Libyans decided to hire sub-Saharan mercenaries to shoot Libyans with anti-aircraft and .50 cal ammunition "on the local level". Are you god damn kidding me? A stateless society? Not even close. There are stateless societies in Libya right now, and they are the ones taking up arms against Qaddafi the butcher.

That Qaddafi is a stateless visionary is patently untrue, he merely co-opts libertarian-left rhetoric while instituting authoritarian, Statist policies.

[mpineiroable]

@rtnslnd Who funds the main opposition groups in Libya? You know who they are?

One of the central goals of CIA opposition funding is to force "the enemy" to defend himself.. then trolls like yourself can attack them as authoritarian. Come back when you've thought things through more.

[rtnslnd]

@mpineiroable LOL. Right. The organic Libyan opposition is funded by the CIA or a CIA proxy. No evidence for your claim, just bare assertion.

The main opposition "groups" are the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition and the National Transitional Council.

Opposition groups composed of: NTC, NCLO, post-Mubarak Egyptian Special Forces, Tunisian volunteers, defecting tribes, and LPA (formed 2011)

Pro-Qaddafi composed : loyalists and mercenaries

[HDdaniex]

odio las ideologias de chavez no esta tan lejos del los imperios estados unidenses

porque tambien hay tanta pobreza en ese pais y el cierra los noticieros para que el mundo lo no vel

PERO CON LO QUE DIJO AKI ESTOY DEACUERDO CON EL por primera vez jaja

[cesarluis13]

@HDdaniex y globovision sigue!!! por que no habrá cerrado ese canal? hasta en tu país lo cerrarían 

[tohpengsunberlin]

soOo unfair to the donkeys. Only Evil could do what GB did. That is the America and the World, that President Obama inherited.

Go Chavez Go!

[mpineiroable]

@tohpengsunberlin Don't underestimate donkeys. They can mess your world up in no time.

[elqueandabaausente]

que huevos de cabron, viva chavez!!!!

[marcusos1111]

ok first off everyone says chavez is an evil man but if he is soo evil how come he is not invading other countrys ? how come he is not killing women and children in iraq? how come he is not robbing other countrys resources? GET YOU HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND SEE! Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

´´benjamin franklin´´

[deepdiverlove]

Se la aplicaron al pinche bush, la verdad Hugo solo dice en este video la verdad

[marcusos1111]

thumbs up to this video!

[19041970]

Hugo Chávez !!!!

[Bacguins]

jajajajaja este tipo es muy chistoso, me cae bien :D

[DunkanConstruction]

@Bacguins Te metistes conmigo pajarito.

[bigsoundz]

I'm glad he speaks up about Zionist crimes - South America needs to realize the danger of Zionism.

[mpineiroable]

I don't understand ... what difference does it make if he's from Venezuela?

[marcusos1111]

@mpineiroable the CIA tried to killed him several time LOL thats why he hated bush

[SH0LVA]

@marcusos1111 And obviously, they botched the job.

[Gabrielregalado2]

@mpineiroable

step one:We Americans want oil

step two:We notice Venezuela got oil

step three:We realize venezuela wont give us what we want

step four: We say Venezuela is anti-american and comunist

thats how our government works

[eblgraphics]

@Gabrielregalado2 OMG and you are one of the few Americans we actually says the truth... I love the American people but like you say it I am not to crazy about your government LOL except for Clinton he was alright.

[Gabrielregalado2]

@eblgraphics

im dominican =)

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics Clinton was not alright. He was just less violent than Reagan. Clinton ordered a cruise missile strike on the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, Sudan, on August 20th 1998. The factory produced TB drugs for almost 100,000 people. The numbers killed from the inadequate supply of TB drugs is unknown, but possibly in the thousands. Furthermore he increased the crimes punishable by the death penalty to over 60, even those which did not result in the death of the victim.

[eblgraphics]

@rtnslnd Ones again I support what I said. 1: I am from the Dominican Republic and I for one always advocate for the self determination of every nation but if there was ever a justify coup by the US this was the case. Maybe the only coup that I support that came out of the US. 2: Iraq's regime deserve international sanctions not invasion and ones again this was a measure response. 3: Yugoslavia accelerated the independence of Kosovo do to its criminal action and they need it to be stop.

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics The sanctions did absolutely NOTHING to control or get rid of Saddam. It strengthened him. By starving the population of Iraq through sanctions, the population had no choice but to look toward the dictator for supplies. If you wanted to get rid of Saddam, the way to do that is not through sanctions or bombs. You do it through supporting internal resistance against Saddam, by supporting or creating democratic structures.

[eblgraphics]

@rtnslnd Finally a smart conversation arises from among all the garbage posted in this type of social network. Ones again I say that I do not think the external manipulation of the affairs of other nations has ever done any good. The population of the nation is the one that needs to bring about change not the misguided intentions of a developed nation that most likely is puling the strings to benefit some how. With this said i thin that Clinton was the one who flex the US muscle in the best way.

[eblgraphics]

@rtnslnd 4: Regarding the Cuban foot/dry refugee policy I agree with you totally idiotic. 5: Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory strike is open for debate my friend. There is no doubt the factory produce TB drugs but it also had traces in soil samples of EMPTA a VX precursor. Keep in mind that a president makes decisions base on the information available and is easy to make judgments years after the fact. Like wend Chavez order its troops to mobilize do to a posible redeployment of Colombia's troops

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics Even if the Al-Shifa pharma factory was a chemical weapons factory in disguise, which there is no evidence for (the soil sample was NEAR, not on, the premises of the factory), the US government did not even consult the government of Sudan before lobbing cruise missiles from 2000 miles away. The Sudanese government has demanded an apology for this act of aggression. We have still not apologized, nor will we ever, because we are the Empire. Bullies don't apologize, ever.

[eblgraphics]

@rtnslnd The US has become a bully no dough about that and it wont apologize. They never apologize for invading us here in the DR two time in the 19th century. My point is that the reaction of other presidents would have been more drastic for sure in the Al-Shifa situation. In the word of Junot Díaz "It's never the changes we want that change everything."

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics In what way did Clinton "flex US muscle the best way"? Just because he was less violent than Reagan, a notorious international terrorist, doesn't make any of what Clinton did "good". Clinton was a pragmatist who was willing to concede on virtually everything he was elected for, in the interests of big business, while selling out his liberal constituency

watch?v=YbSMkSiaU04

watch?v=2q0OHQKqB78

chomsky . info / articles / 199312-- .htm

chomsky . info / articles / 199401-- .htm

[eblgraphics]

@rtnslnd Ill watch the links and get back to you but I for one do not think we need to label any one a terrorist. During the cold war a lot of well intention politicians and private citizens in my country were label communist and disappear. In reality they just wanted more budget for education, free health care and so many other tings that never came true. So Regan was not a terrorist I will not play that game. Regarding Chavez before him the government was immensely corrupt but he is not better

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics Look up the definition of terrorism. It's violence or the threat of violence, with the intention that the victims of terrorism will comply with your demands. Reagan was a terrorist. Qaddafi is a terrorist. What the government did during the Cold War, labeling any dissident a communist, and using violence to suppress dissidents, is state-terrorism. Labeling somebody, or some entity, a terrorist when they have committed terrorist acts is more than appropriate, its morally necessary

[rtnslnd]

@eblgraphics Moreover, Clinton oversaw the CIA backed coup of elected president Aristide of Haiti. He was also responsible for the murderous sanctions against Iraq. Also responsible for the 1999 bombardment against Yugoslavia, which was not restricted to military targets, and included civilian targets. He implemented the idiotic wet foot/dry foot Cuban refugee policy.

Clinton was not "alright" whatsoever. Terrible president, just less violent than the international terrorist Ronald Reagan.

[Winterwolf00]

He's Venezuelan you racist hillbilly.

[squaddy11]

Stupid mexican!

[radomu1]

@squaddy11 Venezuela, and Bush is far worse than a donkey.

[MsCandyRockz]

@squaddy11 Stupid ignorant redneck incoherently rambling is who you are. He is Venezuelan. You are an idiot. Good day.

[DeviaNZe]

@squaddy11 Stupid GRINGO