ok... its friday, its five fifteen... is it crackerjack time? is it fuck, this is itv, we're getting drunk all weekend, see you monday morning monkeyspanks :)... actually, monday lunchtime, as there is no early morning tv yet, and from nine am we hand our shit over to the schools networks lol
@cwilliams1976 sync pulses had nothing to do with this one, ITN would have adjusted their SPG to match C4 pres in the same way that any incoming source to the BBC did. It was only ITV that needed to resync before each network prog, having so many disparate playout centres. The time changed purely because the IBA decided that as of the 1982 franchise round the weekend franchise should start a bit earlier to balance the revenue opportunities for the weekday and weekend companies a bit better.
Speaking as a Yank, I have never been able to understand how one broadcasting entity could program a channel from Monday to Friday afternoon, then the channel would be operated by a different broadcaster for the weekend. It would be like having CBS from Monday to Thursday, then the same spot on the dial airing NBC Friday to Sunday.
Is that 5.15 am? or 5.15 pm? I'm assuming thats 5.15 pm. Excuse my ignorance, I'm from the Yorkshire region, so the whole concept of weekend television is foreign to me.
1 Jam 1982 - the night's LWT entertainment included The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, a documentary about a whale, The Gentle Touch and the first Wood & Walters. And an ITN compilation - "The Making of 81"
Not in my memory, maybe in the early 70's. Until Thames and LWT started in 1968 it was divided up mon-friday and Sat/Sunday so there was no similar handover
@LuthansaTerminal This arrangement was drawn up in 1966 to take effect from July/August 1968. Also the time was changed from 7pm to 5.15pm because ITV used to carry Channel 4's unitary signal from November 1982 and there would be technical problems involving Channel 4 genlocking its sync pulses joining ITN for Channel 4 News.
@LuthansaTerminal ITV used to carry the signal which transmitted Channel 4's output, and into which commercial breaks could be inserted as ITV used to sell the advertising airtime until 1993. Now if an ITV company were to go on strike, then the commercials were not transmitted on Channel 4 and so the unitary signal which carried Channel 4's feed was sent to the transmitters via the IBA or British Telecom.
Citation needed please. You're right about the ITV companies doing C4s adverts but that has nothing to do with this video and 'Unitary Signal' is a phrase you've made up. Please post evidence or you're blocked
@LuthansaTerminal Unitary signal was a term used by Jeremy Isaacs in his book about the setting up of Channel 4. In it he explained about the practicalities of how ITV companies inserted the commercial breaks into Channel 4's output; if no commercials were sold due to ITV companies going on strike then the signal would be beamed by either BT or the IBA as I have explained. When the change of transmitter from Thames to LWT takes place at switchover, this has become evident on Channel 4's picture.
@LuthansaTerminal It has. If you think about it, the change of time of the switchover changed with efect from the new franchise period, and the unitary signal factor was taken into consideration when the IBA started building its transmitter network for Channel 4 at about this time. Channel 4 launched in November 1982, and when the schedules were looked at, the news was placed at 7pm, so if you think about it, usually when ITV companies handed over to ITN for the news, the transition was smooth.
@LuthansaTerminal Furthermore, again the changeover of transmitters would be evident after Channel 4 would gen-sync its links to ITN from the clock when Channel 4 News would start, had Thames would still have handed over to LWT at 7pm. Also the final advertisement would have to be quickly shown before Thames came off air before the clock at 7pm and Euston Road would be shut for the weekend.
@LuthansaTerminal LWT used to gen-lock its sync pulses when they handed over to ITN from the studio clock, as Thames did the same with News at One. The transition between Channel 4's clock and the start of Channel 4 News was also smooth.
@LuthansaTerminal My username is not, never has been and never will be an Internet by-word for bullshit, thank you. I think that, for the reasons given here, this is why the hand-over time was moved forward from 7pm to 5.15pm, believe me.
@cwilliams1976 Firstly I think you need a bit of self awareness.
Secondly the reason it was changed was to take it out of primetime, LWT inherited a low audience at 7 because Thames put out something a bit crap on at 6:30. Moving it solved this, gave LWT a nice lead up to the evening, and gave them a bit of extra ad revenue.
@cwilliams1976 Your channel 4 theory doesn't work - the decision would have been made at least 2 years before Ch4 came on air, long before scheduling would have been decided. The changeover didn't affect their operation at all except in the London area. Even there it was just a case of scheduling breaks in the correct places and putting up with a slight picture glitch once a week. It's network output wouldn't have been affected at all no matter what time it happened
@LuthansaTerminal Here is something to put to you then - looking back at Channel 4's schedules then, Countdown was only scheduled Mondays-Thursdays at 4.45pm and The Munsters was shown at 4.45pm on Fridays because Thames was on the air and therefore could very easily sell advertising time on Channel 4 without the duration time interfering, and also The Tube was shown on Channel 4 which meant that LWT could very easily attract advertising to a young audience at that time on a Friday evening.
@cwilliams1976 What does that have to do with anything? You think they'd schedule the whole week's worth of programmes around a minor jump in the picture in one region once a week?
As I say below, unless you've got proper evidence for your claims.... this is moving onto a private message
@LuthansaTerminal Channel 4 was a national, not regional service. Every technical issue, resource and factors would have to be taken into consideration. When deciding things everything has to be taken into consideration.
@LuthansaTerminal Channel 4 News was fixed at 7pm when the schedules were looked at in around 1981, and so well after the IBA franchise round of 1980 it was then decided on that basis that the IBA grant LWT an extension to begin at 5.15pm and so this would mean that the advertisements would show on Channel 4 undisturbed.
ok... its friday, its five fifteen... is it crackerjack time? is it fuck, this is itv, we're getting drunk all weekend, see you monday morning monkeyspanks :)... actually, monday lunchtime, as there is no early morning tv yet, and from nine am we hand our shit over to the schools networks lol
AmsterdamnedMovie 1 month ago
@cwilliams1976 sync pulses had nothing to do with this one, ITN would have adjusted their SPG to match C4 pres in the same way that any incoming source to the BBC did. It was only ITV that needed to resync before each network prog, having so many disparate playout centres. The time changed purely because the IBA decided that as of the 1982 franchise round the weekend franchise should start a bit earlier to balance the revenue opportunities for the weekday and weekend companies a bit better.
northernanorak 3 months ago
Speaking as a Yank, I have never been able to understand how one broadcasting entity could program a channel from Monday to Friday afternoon, then the channel would be operated by a different broadcaster for the weekend. It would be like having CBS from Monday to Thursday, then the same spot on the dial airing NBC Friday to Sunday.
tomservo56954 4 months ago
@tomservo56954 Yeah I know,but that's how it was back in the day,man,and we never had 24hr TV yet!
56postoffice 6 days ago
I used to get very excited about the handover it marked the weekend (i was 10) !
robinlee1972 4 months ago
God LWT sucked, Thames TV was (and is) much missed :o(
EvilCensor 1 year ago
Is that 5.15 am? or 5.15 pm? I'm assuming thats 5.15 pm. Excuse my ignorance, I'm from the Yorkshire region, so the whole concept of weekend television is foreign to me.
Feisty1967 1 year ago
@sportsedits No they didn't. There was a blip at the changeover.
LovesJumps 1 year ago
@DANWOODHOUSE1 It was on at 7pm on FRIDAYS. But, since that New Year's Day it was on at it's wasn't on at it's usual time.
LovesJumps 1 year ago
bring back telly!
sidsix 1 year ago
thats when ya knew the weekend realy started
terawattz 1 year ago
Of course I meant Jan. And yes, PYCR kicked off the evening.
UKArchiveTV 2 years ago
1 Jam 1982 - the night's LWT entertainment included The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, a documentary about a whale, The Gentle Touch and the first Wood & Walters. And an ITN compilation - "The Making of 81"
UKArchiveTV 2 years ago
Heh heh! I like the way the clip cuts just before Brucie appears! Brilliant timing!!
mistofoles 2 years ago
Mr. Elsmore is the daddy of continuity announcing.
TheWillsy 2 years ago 10
Everyone is nostalgic for LWT now but I always found them too brash and vulgar for my taste, I found Thames to be much more dignified and classy.
Of course it's all a lot better than what we have now.
luornu 2 years ago
Not in my memory, maybe in the early 70's. Until Thames and LWT started in 1968 it was divided up mon-friday and Sat/Sunday so there was no similar handover
LuthansaTerminal 2 years ago
@LuthansaTerminal This arrangement was drawn up in 1966 to take effect from July/August 1968. Also the time was changed from 7pm to 5.15pm because ITV used to carry Channel 4's unitary signal from November 1982 and there would be technical problems involving Channel 4 genlocking its sync pulses joining ITN for Channel 4 News.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 Where do you get this nonsense from? 'unitary signal'? what is that?
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal ITV used to carry the signal which transmitted Channel 4's output, and into which commercial breaks could be inserted as ITV used to sell the advertising airtime until 1993. Now if an ITV company were to go on strike, then the commercials were not transmitted on Channel 4 and so the unitary signal which carried Channel 4's feed was sent to the transmitters via the IBA or British Telecom.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976
Citation needed please. You're right about the ITV companies doing C4s adverts but that has nothing to do with this video and 'Unitary Signal' is a phrase you've made up. Please post evidence or you're blocked
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal Unitary signal was a term used by Jeremy Isaacs in his book about the setting up of Channel 4. In it he explained about the practicalities of how ITV companies inserted the commercial breaks into Channel 4's output; if no commercials were sold due to ITV companies going on strike then the signal would be beamed by either BT or the IBA as I have explained. When the change of transmitter from Thames to LWT takes place at switchover, this has become evident on Channel 4's picture.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 You could see the switchover on Channel 4, but that has nothing to do with why they changed times and nothing to do with this video
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal It has. If you think about it, the change of time of the switchover changed with efect from the new franchise period, and the unitary signal factor was taken into consideration when the IBA started building its transmitter network for Channel 4 at about this time. Channel 4 launched in November 1982, and when the schedules were looked at, the news was placed at 7pm, so if you think about it, usually when ITV companies handed over to ITN for the news, the transition was smooth.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal Furthermore, again the changeover of transmitters would be evident after Channel 4 would gen-sync its links to ITN from the clock when Channel 4 News would start, had Thames would still have handed over to LWT at 7pm. Also the final advertisement would have to be quickly shown before Thames came off air before the clock at 7pm and Euston Road would be shut for the weekend.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 I'm sorry but that's bollocks, it makes no sense. 'gen-sync'?
Cwilliams1976 your username is an internet by-word for bullshit.
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal LWT used to gen-lock its sync pulses when they handed over to ITN from the studio clock, as Thames did the same with News at One. The transition between Channel 4's clock and the start of Channel 4 News was also smooth.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal My username is not, never has been and never will be an Internet by-word for bullshit, thank you. I think that, for the reasons given here, this is why the hand-over time was moved forward from 7pm to 5.15pm, believe me.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 Firstly I think you need a bit of self awareness.
Secondly the reason it was changed was to take it out of primetime, LWT inherited a low audience at 7 because Thames put out something a bit crap on at 6:30. Moving it solved this, gave LWT a nice lead up to the evening, and gave them a bit of extra ad revenue.
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 Your channel 4 theory doesn't work - the decision would have been made at least 2 years before Ch4 came on air, long before scheduling would have been decided. The changeover didn't affect their operation at all except in the London area. Even there it was just a case of scheduling breaks in the correct places and putting up with a slight picture glitch once a week. It's network output wouldn't have been affected at all no matter what time it happened
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal Here is something to put to you then - looking back at Channel 4's schedules then, Countdown was only scheduled Mondays-Thursdays at 4.45pm and The Munsters was shown at 4.45pm on Fridays because Thames was on the air and therefore could very easily sell advertising time on Channel 4 without the duration time interfering, and also The Tube was shown on Channel 4 which meant that LWT could very easily attract advertising to a young audience at that time on a Friday evening.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 What does that have to do with anything? You think they'd schedule the whole week's worth of programmes around a minor jump in the picture in one region once a week?
As I say below, unless you've got proper evidence for your claims.... this is moving onto a private message
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal Channel 4 was a national, not regional service. Every technical issue, resource and factors would have to be taken into consideration. When deciding things everything has to be taken into consideration.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@LuthansaTerminal Channel 4 News was fixed at 7pm when the schedules were looked at in around 1981, and so well after the IBA franchise round of 1980 it was then decided on that basis that the IBA grant LWT an extension to begin at 5.15pm and so this would mean that the advertisements would show on Channel 4 undisturbed.
cwilliams1976 6 months ago
@cwilliams1976 Again... evidence please. As I've explained there would have been no issue with it happening before the news.
Anyway stop clogging up the comments, unless you've got hard evidence for any of your claims. Lets take this to a PM
LuthansaTerminal 6 months ago
Remember this is from New Year 1982 so the schedules weren't like a normal weekday
LuthansaTerminal 2 years ago
Such a dramatic contrast of styles here.
RobinCarmody 3 years ago 4
You're not kidding!! Talk about right-in-your-face from the boys at the South Bank!
EuroAlien 3 years ago 7
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Prior to this arrangement, when the hand-over time was 7pm, the two announcers from both end would actually talk to each other.
cwilliams1976 3 years ago
That sounds very unlikely, the 2 stations barely acknowledged each other and the hard switch between them would have made a conversation impossible
LuthansaTerminal 3 years ago 3
been looking for 1 of these for ages! top stuff!
keefybaby2007 3 years ago